I’ve recently received several emails about this one. It’s called the “Global Pension Plan” and promises to help you turn €30 into €55,000 or more!
I got the following email and decided to look into it:
“Hi Ben
Could you be kind enough to look into this opportunity for me, what’s your opinon on this one, sounds too good to be true!….has it got scam written all over it? it was passed on to me by friend.
thanks for your time
Phil”
Well, I had a good look at the site and tried to find out who is behind it and what is going on.
Rather than take up space here, please visit the main site:
Global Pension Plan – Is it a Scam?
Once you’ve read the report there, please feel free to comment on this blog or send me an email to the usual address.
Thanks,
Ben
*UPDATE 23/02/2008* – I’ve had to remove some comments as the blog was collapsing under the weight!
These comments have been archived and you can view them here:
Archived Global Pension Plan Comments
*UPDATE 13/11/2008* – I’ve had a few problems with the blog over the past 24 hours which resulted in a restore from backup. Consequently you may find some rogue symbols dotted around the place – especially where there used to be a € or £ sign. Apologies for this but there are far too many for me to correct!
*UPDATE 22/12/2008* – Just for fun: The Global Pension Plan – Stella’s Updates
*UPDATE 16/06/2009* -Â Now that Stella is gone or dead or whatever – she’s not writing the updates in any case – let’s just remind ourselves of when the final date for GPP is (from the official site):
“20th of November, 2008
Deadline & General updateThe Final Deadline: 31st of January 2009
During the last week and half we have been closely in touch with the insurance company and the financier of this project and agreed the final deadline to be set on the above mentioned date. The current turbulent financial climate has created a great pressure to finish the program as soon as possible. This date is absolute and means, that we MUST reach the initially set target of 100.000 qualified members. Otherwise the program closes without payout.”
Note that Stella said “this date is absolute” so it was surprising when the new ‘admin’ posted this:
“10th of May, 2009
UpdateDear Global Pension Plan Members,
As per Trust Partner’s decision, we hereby announce the final closing date of Global Pension Plan: 06/30/2009 That is the 30th of June 2009.
The current number of fully qualified members is only slightly short of the 100.000 limit.
Trust Partner highly appreaciates your efforts and sends you best wishes and luck for the last month and a half.
Sincerely,
Admin”
*UPDATE 26/10/2009* – Apologies for the problems with the blog over the weekend. A new plugin caused the issues. All should be back to normal now…
I always told my sister that GPP was a scam, but she still believe that her debit car will arrive any day. she has so many plans, she invest over two thousand dollars, I don’t tell her anything now, but I’m afraid for her, she looks like shes desperate waiting for the mail every day, I’m afraid she will hurt her self. shes always looking catalog and making plans.
Comment by shelsea — 5th December 2011 @ 12:00 am
Busting,
I’ll go one step further… Send me only $20 and I set everyone up with 1 Million dollars each! This to be paid in only 100 yrs! It’s a win win situation! Now if you catch me driving around in a Benz, it’s just because of all of the money that I made off of this scam! lol… Unfortunately this actually is not funny.
Extan,
You are sure right, this world traveler must be running low on funds now. How about some $5.00 policies! Yea! These too, I’d take it would pay the whole contract payment huh?
Seems like you did some good work in finding this clown. I know of someone on a dirrerent board looking for them too! If only I did some resarch and knew about this before hand, I would surely have
informed everyone that I could find and put a hole in their profits. You know I can’t even call that a profit. That would imply that these monies were obtained by actual legal, morale or the like kind of means. Not, what is in effect, stealing.
Well everyone, after the next couple of days has passed, and Stella and Co. has either established a new expiration date or simply breaks camp, we can still join here and attempt to find what else they may do to scam others. I’ll be watching…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 12th February 2008 @ 1:14 am
I am sad to find out that my Dad purchased numerous policies and has even become an “upline” guy. Former college professor and one of the most intelligent men I know. Perceived desperation leads to vulnerability, and I fear that G.P.P. has taken advantage of so many, who have had such high hopes.
Comment by downhomeguy — 12th February 2008 @ 2:41 am
Stella,
If you do read this, can you put a post in the forum, or on here, and let us know what’s going on.
Kim
Comment by Kim — 12th February 2008 @ 3:13 am
Stella is busy make up some other lie to tell you. This think has been almost 3 years in the making. You’d figure everything should be planned out to the “T”
Stellair is not only sloppy shes lazy
Comment by Busting Gut — 12th February 2008 @ 3:30 am
hello everybody, please excuse my bad englisch
a friend of mine tells me that in russia they did the similar “game” as GPP. and that they get the payout! his upliner from GPP tells him this. he was going to GPP one year ago instead of the russian thing because hi did not trust the russian.
if they get the payout, it can work also for GPP, or not? if somebody of you have the time to investigate of this russian thing or maby get payout from there, please inform us here. thank you!
another thing: if there is a real stella, she would never post here, if she is criminal or sincere. nor the criminal stella, nor the sincere stella would get her energy inside this discussion. she would be quiet (the criminal), or she would post in the GPP forum.
so the question for stelliar is: to give you here as stella, will give you a bad feeling inside, you can feel it to look in your eyes in the mirror every morning (did you look in to them allready for more as two seconds?). are you comfortable in your own personality? seems not, because you presumed to be another. you must have this problem since longer time, did you? so please try to be youself in your life, accepting also the shadows in your personality. try to solve your own problems and to get a free person. stop it immediately to post here and making some games with other peoples “problems”. it will give you more personally problems then less!
everybody: dont react on the stelliar-postings. dont give energy on that game, we are giving energy enough on GPP!
Comment by monica — 12th February 2008 @ 10:04 am
Well Mike, everyone should do some homework to find these GPP organizers, but not publish on here because then they would be warned and just relocate, anyway if they close down their website and run away with our money, if not already done, they will surely flee to Mexico, Angola, Japan or one of those secret places. Just imagine, more than 100000 clients and their friends and families, if just a few can exchange e-mail addresses and get properly organised, it is NOT about the 30 Euro that you lost, it is about our long held dreams being shattered by some GREEDY people and some of us would have gained millions of Euro through “hard” work!
Comment by EXTAN — 12th February 2008 @ 10:41 am
I mean, come on people, what did you expect? That some company(that nobody konows anything about) with a help of some investors(that nobody konows anything about), is helping you to get an pension insurance from a company(that nobody konows anything about) And magically it will turn your 50$ to 55000/110000$ in few months or so. It’s time for reality check: you don’t know who’s running the GPP “company”, you only know some finnish(which I doubt) woman called Stella, that’s all. You don’t know which company is providing the insurance, or who are these so-called trust partners. You don’t know where to send your personal info that you need for insurance, you don’t know which bank is providing the money, or to which bank GPP should pay your 55000$. So, your facts are pretty much close to zero. The only fact is that you’re out of 40$, which is not much. But multiply that with 100000(or who knows how many) people, and it’s already a decent amount of money for the scammers. It’s not easy to admit that you were scammed, but at least you can learn from it. Or you can stay positive and wait for the money to materialize. Just remember, there’s a difference between being optimistic, and being naive and stupid.
Comment by Rokka — 12th February 2008 @ 11:23 am
Guys there are acouple of other RPP’s that have reached target, I am interested to find out from those members if they have heard anything regarding the payments owed to them. The 2 that spring to mind are:
1 WPP Target 20’000 part1 (http://www.worldpensionplus.com/)has finished part 1 and is now promising a pay out, Part 2 will comence in 72 hours
2 LPP1 Target 2’000 Part1 (http://limited-fund-plan.com/)already started with there enrolement for plan2 Target 5’500 and plan 3 target ?
3 HCI has a very professional website with lots of info regarding there projects current, past and still pending.
Of all the sites I have looked at theirs would seem the most honest(if you could call it that).
They also have names, addresses, who, where, and when, also vacant positions available in the company, buy the sound of things this is not the first time that they are doing this pension stuff, above all advertise that they will refund you membership fee(less 7% admin) should the project not complete.
It makes you wonder were all of there previous projects successful. and did every get there pay outs.Just abit of food for thought!!
I am not a member, so…if there are any members registered with these RPP’s I have mentioned how about giving us a bit of input on your experiences and also what is the news under the member logins.
Comment by AB — 12th February 2008 @ 12:42 pm
Roccas letter seems to be inconclusive, he rightly remarked on the zero info we have on GPP, but then he said we should be optimistic about it, they are going to pay out (I hope too!!). You know it’s not about to admit to have been scammed, I once had another scheme which was worked out so well (should have worked for all), but most humans are not really ready to take part so that everyone can win, downright stupid and very GREEDY, they can only mess it up! GPP should also work, but the advertised gains should have been more realistic, a gain of 154% over a short time seems to be too optimistic
Comment by EXTAN — 12th February 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Short term??? it’s been 3 years! I would say low investment!
Just a few more days until we are all rich
Comment by Busting Gut — 12th February 2008 @ 3:30 pm
The total of 100000 members was only reached late last year, so 154% in a few month sounds impossible, 3 years ago how many members were there, just a few, so please check your sums 🙂 .Anyway enjoy it!
Comment by EXTAN — 12th February 2008 @ 4:22 pm
Hello everyone, i will have conference call today with ppl from banking solution. Will keep you in touch…So keep reading Busting Goat’ stupidities (endouille) meanwhile, that will keep you positive or at least, make you laught…lol
[Edit by Ben: Readers would be well advised to ignore this BS by “Stella” – the IP address of this poster resolves to: COGECO Cable Canada Inc. i.e. somebody using an ISP in Canada…]
Comment by Stella — 12th February 2008 @ 7:44 pm
Say if you were member 1 or 2… It’s been a long time coming, a long time indeed..
the 100000 people thing is all a part for the marketing ploy, it creats the urgency to join.
personally I think the magic number was reached a long time ago, if they where even counting along the way.
Another thing that makes me say hhmmmm… why not just take all the info that they need when you first sign up??? It’s not like they did have a up and running web site. The partial account info is there anyways
Stelliar what do you have to say to that?
Comment by Busting Gut — 12th February 2008 @ 7:45 pm
EXTAN, point well taken. We should not in effect provide information to these clowns. We will have to join together after this scam has finally come to an end. This truly gets my goat, so to speak…
Downhomeguy, I understand your pain, especially from your fathers standpoint. A friend of mine also established a long line of people to join in this scam. A painful lesson indeed.
Everyone, as was said earlier, it’s not so much the money (in some cases), but the expectations, the dreams, the hopes of those who have participated which is the worst part of this crime.
Rokka, indeed we did all fall into this decision to disregard the “if it’s too good, it probably is” saying. I’ll tell you, I wanted to believe, but upon further thought, investigation, realized that such a program was not possible. For goodness sake, why would anyone who has a child… hopeing to go to college, pay all of this money for a 529 or any educatn based program, when something like this could pay for not only college, but a car and perhaps even a place to stay/live.
I only wish that I knew of this blog earlier. In fact, for others sake, I wish that I knew of this plan. Indeed I found that this had to be a scam, and would have shared this with my fellow man. Of course I figured this after the dollars were gone (which was quite recently)(another victim of a down line).
It angers me that people have been waiting for 3 yrs or so. How unfair to play on others hopes for so long…
AB, I hope not to sound insulting , but wouldn’t you agree that this is also a scam? A new one in fact? I must say that I am impressed by how much info is out there on this site. An amazing amount. EVERYONE, this is most assuredly a new scam! This made possible by good web designers. I will not say how I can see that this is a scam… but sadly, it is. Tell you what, why don’t they let me borrow this 50 bucks and then pay them back after I get my 80 thousand… Hmmm now for another scam to dismantle. Anyone have any ideas on how I might be able to prevent people from falling prey to yet another of these scams?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 13th February 2008 @ 3:50 am
My goodness! This scam is all over the place! Meaning, this can be found everywhere under this domain! This is outrageous! I even see this listed under SEVERAL other domains! These clowns are making so much money… Looks like the dollars have not been made yet, but they are on a mission!
Looks like a prime candidate for me to get the word out on. They have flooded the internet w/ many who are telling how good the site is, using certain types of email addresses, and other suspicious activities. Unless this can be proven to me, I’m going to take steps to shut this plan down!
I invite someone to tell me otherwise before I waste my time running after these clown’s efforts. Seems like they have spent a lot of money. I hope, I really do hope that this can be proven to be something real… HA! I’ll do further resarch. If I don’t get a phone number, it’s all over with. I’ll let the internet, yes the internet know that this is a scam. I know how to get a word out, I know how to get the word on it, and I know that there is someone out there who can do a better job than I can! I envite you all to look at this upcoming scam!!!
Thoughts?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 13th February 2008 @ 4:26 am
I’m sorry, I just have to say just one more time that this is just rediculous! Though I grow tired of these scams, I just cannot let another one begin without getting the word out! This is another of “Stella’s” upcoming scams! Just wait till I litter the web with info on this scam!!
Truly, I invite you all to review this. No phone number I’ll bet no one can find! Give us a national address to send cash to. Why not allow for a bank, a real bank to handle these money transfers. Let my banks send my money to… Yes I have lots of money to send to your new program! It’s sitting in my bank just wasiting to be sent. I’ll bet that you won’t provide us with that info.
So, Stell, what do you think about that?
I’m going to be so all over this nonsense. Oh, don’t think that I dont know of your other scams being pulled at the moment. Oh I’m so on it!
Everyone, once again, I’d like you all to see the similarities between the two…
I can’t stand this!!! Stella, prove me wrong. Give up the $ to these good people…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 13th February 2008 @ 5:01 am
This GPP is surely a big scam, website too long off, taking us for a ride,they would be well advised to stick to their promised plan, there is no place to hide, somebody would smoke them out!
Comment by EXTAN — 13th February 2008 @ 6:23 am
Extan, you didn’t get my point, probably. I meant that you can learn from this, and avoid other scams in the future. Or, just be optimistic and wait for the payout(which will not happen). If I was a participant in this, I’d be very careful not to send any personal documents there, and limit the personal damage to 40-50$. One might argue that, they have no use for those documents, and they can’t be used for identity theft, but I think it’s a real risk. After all, they managed to scam ~100000 people, so it shows their skills as con-artists…
Comment by Rokka — 13th February 2008 @ 6:32 am
Dear Stella, we live here in lovely Cape Town, why not hide in our home, you are welcome, lots of things to do, hiking in the mountains, going to numerous lovely beaches, a variety of shopping centres, you name it. Please leave your money outside and give us a debit card so we can also take part in your windfall 🙂
Comment by EXTAN — 13th February 2008 @ 6:50 am
i’ve got gpp back on my pc, no new news from stella, money grew a bit, whatever that means, our hearts are jumping a bit!
Comment by EXTAN — 13th February 2008 @ 9:47 am
tried again to get into GPP no ways, maybe certain numbers do the trick, lousy system!
Comment by EXTAN — 13th February 2008 @ 11:04 am
So when March 1st rolls around, (though I expect there will be “month-to-month” delay tactics; should we all stand on a hillside awaiting the landing of the Mothership and watch in wonder as STELLA appears? We could recognize her, she’ll be the one standing next to Santa Clause 🙂
Comment by downhomeguy — 13th February 2008 @ 2:09 pm
Hello everyone, this is inspector Cluso from the internet fraud investigation Unit. I am pleased to inform you all that the person who call herself “Stella” is in custdy under suspicion of criminal internet activity. All of the money taken from you, good citizens around the world, will be refunded to your accounts. In order for our administration to do this job I must kindly request everyone to make a small payment of 1$ so this operation could be finished as soon as posible.. Payment instructions will be reveled soon.
Stay tuned!!!
Comment by chief inspector Cluso — 13th February 2008 @ 10:29 pm
This sure is amusing reading guys, If the GPP ever comes back on line I cant wait for the exciting news it will have.!!!Lol
Comment by SM — 14th February 2008 @ 1:56 am
When we file to get our “refunds,can we please check off to donate a portion of the refund to the G.P.P. charity?
Comment by downhomeguy — 14th February 2008 @ 2:22 am
Feb 15th and the dollars should begin to flow huh? Sure they will… Next step.. March 15th. Maybe they’ll need more time to dissiminate the money, and so on, and so on…
This is so bad that I must reiterate. This Stella, is running worldpensionplus.com!!! Look at who the bank is…. Again! They must really think that we are STUPID! Again, this is the exact same scam! Brand new target dates! Yes… a fresh new scam, waiting on somefresh new money!
Outrageous!
Everyone please note #308. All roads lead to a fabulous SCAM! Too bad these efforts could not be towards a good cause. I must again say, NO ADDRESS, NO PHONE NUMBER, NO WEBSITE PROVIDING ANY INFORMATION OF VALUE!!!
I need info on how I may provide others to review these plans a bit closer before providing these people with your hard earned dollars!
Goodness, I could surely do better doing something else… In fact I need to be. I just cannot stand to have my fellow man get scammed. Now to attempt to scam others with yet another scam!?!
It is really to bad that these parties cannot be prosecuted. I suppose that this is the benefit of having an overseas scam. The U.S. cannot get to them… At least not yet.
Stella and Co., enjoy your spoils while you can. I’ll be watching and as for the two addional scams that youve begun…. especially the worldpensionplus… This is most assuredly a copy cat scam of GPP!!!
Everyone, again it is not a matter of my lost $80 or so. It’s the continued stealing of peiples money! It saddens and angers me.
It is so amazing at how many of these scams are out there. Quite a few being operated by this Stella entity.
SM, I must laugh along with you! This expected good news will probably disapear, as fast as our money. I had a good analogy of website updating… This is one even better. Take into consideration people who moderate blogs! They are on the ball with the moderation and updating of their site/info.
Makes me say not hmmmmm, but Scammmm.
Yes, much too long of a post, but I am to the best of my abiity, at least here, trying to prevent more loss of money.
Help me in this quest!
Stella – Please provide a counter… That is unless you’ve broken camp!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 14th February 2008 @ 3:59 am
It must have been pure luck to have come on the GPP website, because no luck again, but it is quite sure that Stella and Co. have abondoned that website, no more postings etc. Probably now trying her luck with worldpension plan, what a ruthless shame!!!!
Comment by extan — 14th February 2008 @ 8:07 am
Who gets that feeling in their gut that they aren’t coming back! Sure hope I’m wrong. Still no website at all.
Why did they give us all those extra Turing codes for anyway?
I have so many questions and no one to ask them to. Like UM, for instance(The people running the business, AKA Stella))
Is anyone out there a big upline for a mass amount of people. If so than lets here what you think.
Please tell me that none of you BIG uplines even if you still have faith are In any way Recommending This Any More To Anyone. If so than you are just as bad as Stella and The Trust partners or whom ever they bloom en are.
After so many stall tactics they have done now You couldn’t possibly SIGN A NEW MEMBER.
Not that you could now with no site anyway… I’m Very passionate about this point. Its not just a matter of STOP buying but STOP selling.
Comment by SM — 14th February 2008 @ 8:52 am
hi everyone, try this to get onto GPP:
1. for best results clear your explorers (select tools/internet options)history, cookies (my privacy selection is on “medium”) and clear your temporary files.
2. To bypass the initial code, type in http://www.globalpp.net/login.php or http://www.globalpp.net/members/index.php … you should get into the login page, fill in your stuff, be patient they may tell you that your turing code is wrong, just try again :-).
I’ve tried this on 2 different computers at my work, 2 different usernames, a few times and it always works, but my girlfriend at home tried on 2 computers but no luck?? Anyway, there is nothing new on GPP, STELLA and NEVERLAND must be jet-setting around the world with our money, so no new entries in the forum, please inform your downlines about this mess.
Comment by extan — 14th February 2008 @ 12:25 pm
This is crazy. Ive done all that and still nothing. Web page has expired. Don’t why Its all so hard. You were obviously lucky extan. Will keep trying tomorrow. Its bed time here, down under. Ill keep my eye out for Stella she may visit…Lol !!!!!!
Comment by SM — 14th February 2008 @ 1:11 pm
Official GPP site is updating security proxy…. exists much problems, but is online.
For access (with patience) probe this link:
http://www.globalpp.net
Wait to see “turing code” image (minutes).
Suggestion: for me, the best option for access use “Opera” browser. http://www.opera.com
regards
euken..-
(posted to me today by euken, admin of the unofficial gpp web site)
Comment by chief inspector Cluso — 14th February 2008 @ 1:26 pm
hi SM, I rebooted my PC and cleared all info, then tried again, but I first got nothing, then tried the login but got the first turing page and after the 2nd (number) try got through to the login page etc. At my home also no luck, don’t know why, maybe GPP already got onto my “diverging” method and re-programmed to close the loophole 🙁
But surely, their website is so “closed up” everything is secret, that surely oozes scamming stuff, it would be a wonder if they come back, probably now trying worldpension en other scams.
Comment by extan — 14th February 2008 @ 2:14 pm
What is STELLA last name? a friend of mine was introduced to company
called Global Pension Insurance run by a Ben Seigler? you pay Initial contract: $55.10 Additional Contracts @$40.00 each
Comment by Penny — 14th February 2008 @ 6:29 pm
We don’t know her last name Penny, but if you read 241 she denies being Ben Steigler.
Comment by SM — 15th February 2008 @ 12:20 am
I just went into the website and the forum and nothing have changed.
I took me quite a bit to get in.
Comment by baba — 15th February 2008 @ 3:06 am
Extan, I feel your frustration. Why the H*** should we have to dig around in some crappy site? Guess this clown can’t run it after all! To have such problems with any site holding large funds is totally unacceptable!
Yes, Stella, I’ll bet that you would suggest that this Ben Seigler is not related. Why don’t you tell us that it is not worth looking into. Better yet, why dont you tell us of another option… Yes, tell us of something other than his plan is a good one. I’ll bet that you won’t.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 15th February 2008 @ 3:19 am
Hi Everyone,
If you visit http://teamthemco.wordpress.com/ you will find most of Stella’s postings on GPP forum quoted here.
There is a warning from Stella about Ben Siegler and that he is posing as GPP.
Happy reading.
JL
Comment by Jes — 15th February 2008 @ 5:37 am
Ben Seigler is just running a scam (GPIT) on top of another scam (GPP), so you’ll get twice as much nothing for any money you put in.
Comment by JH — 15th February 2008 @ 6:16 am
Yes, your friend Ben should get a Global Foot in his rear!
Comment by MikeCheck — 15th February 2008 @ 7:53 am
Mike, I’m not frustrated, my girl would only loose 5M+ Euro and I could have stopped working, getting a lazy chair and relaxing on the Cote de Azur :-).
It appears it is easier to get onto the useless Gpp site on a “fresh” PC, i.e. never before connected to GPP, they store info somewhere which you probably cannot delete, must be good hackers, sometimes delete whatever you can (cookies etc.)and reboot! Pity there are so few people writing on this forum, one could get better organised, etc. Maybe someone has contacts to Interpol and it would be easy to trace Stella and Co., the company that wrote their website is advertised on their website so Interpol could squeeze info out of that company, etc., many ways to kill a cat!
Comment by extan — 15th February 2008 @ 8:54 am
“When we file to get our “refunds,can we please check off to donate a portion of the refund to the G.P.P. charity?”
Comment by downhomeguy
This just cracked me up. I think you already gave your money to charity, all 40$. I think “stella” is happy for the charity you people provided. Let me just, say for the sake of argument, that this kind of reverse pension plan would be possible, then what makes you think that scammers behind GPP wouldn’t keep all the money for themselves. After all, we’re talking about billions of dollars.
My guess is that there will be delays again with “banking solution”, then you might have to provide some additional cash for expences regarding money transfer. Saddest part is, there’s going to be suckers who fall for this crap. Mark my words…
Comment by Rokka — 15th February 2008 @ 9:27 am
Stella’s Name.
Allegedly, this is Stella Pohjola and, once again allegedly, she is from Finland.
Comment by Owen Platt — 15th February 2008 @ 9:44 am
There is a major promoter of GPP who call themselves TeamTHEMCO, claiming to have enrolled some 2% of the membership. Trawling through their blog, I saw this from dear old Stella in May last year:
†The jurisdiction in which our co-operating insurance company is located doesn’t have these so called “insurance controllers†and the legislation
allows worldwide commerce of insurance policies.
The Trust Partner has done these deals with smaller, but still international clientele before and with this same licensed and registered insurance company without any problems from the Big Brother’s side.â€Â
So this licensed and registered insurance company exists in a place outside of the traditionally regulated jurisdictions.
Now that should give you all a warm and fuzzy feeling.
Comment by Owen Platt — 15th February 2008 @ 10:21 am
Obviously someone from GPP watches this site, because they closed the loophole on their website. If somebody is busy to beef up their website he must be a novice because it takes ages. It also appears that their site is overloaded with anxious clients, extremely slow and timing out! Stella Pohjola nowhere to hide!
Comment by extan — 15th February 2008 @ 11:58 am
Owen, this is just a plain shame. TeamTHEMCO huh? Stella, you’d better wach out for Team MikeCheck! Owen, this is the kind of info that we all need in order to prevent these scammers.
I’d take note at how little your girl, Stella posts on this site anymore. You are right, they are slaping things together for keeping us quiet while they establish that new scam. You know, you noted that they have that 2% already… Let’s let that be thier last % that they get!
GOT TO STOP THESE SCAMS! I’ll tell you, this frustration has just stuck to me like glue! I hate to see people get scamed! Yes, lottery tickets are taking a big chance, but…it is a chance., As said earlier, this is simply stealing!
If there is a msg board on this scam, I’ll be on it to bring that to as much of a halt as possible…
Stella, don’t be angry w/ me I’m only trying to bring your sham to an end!
Everyone, think back and try to remember how you originally got pulled in to the scam. Were you in a down line? If not, how did you find out about it? Let’s bust them down.
Once again however, as for those who have put in substancial monies, I trully do hope that you are able to reap some benefits, at least not be financially damaged. For the most part however, it the hopes and dreams that are stolen along w/ that $40.
Extan, what can we do to shut this down?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 15th February 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Hey gang don`t worry the check is in the mail!
Comment by Busting Gut — 15th February 2008 @ 7:45 pm
http://futureplanning.wordpress.com/ and Team Temco are one and the same, secret postings and no comments allowed, just imagine some freak still organises foundations for 140 persons in the belief that GPP will pay out, they know that GPP is off for extended time and no explanation was done to that effect by GPP about their “new” plans, utterly unprofessional and team temco says we should not bother them with that because they are so busy organising foundations for which most probably (from GPP’s recent behaviour)no money will be forthcoming!! I can only laugh 🙂
Thanks for this website, please take those scammers to court!
Comment by otto — 15th February 2008 @ 9:51 pm
it havent over but all of you just said is a scam…. so i guess should i also follow and say GPP is a scam?
Comment by Meck — 16th February 2008 @ 3:45 am
Hey I’m still lauching (maybe I should rather cry)GPP is still off and Futureplanning etc. is still doing this foundation stuff (regardless!)into empty money bags, I mean really F….UP!
Comment by otto — 16th February 2008 @ 8:47 am
I dunno about you guys, but I cant get anything but “We cannot display this page, and a list of reasons why”.
What the heck is going on. There was no warning of this being possible to occur in the future from the Gpp. Come back and fulfill your commitment!!!!!!!!!!
COME BACK and fulfill your commitments S–t H–ds.
I mean, Fair Dinkum this is a joke.
Im sure we all have in each country an A current affair show to DOB them into. Or a morning show any thing that we should all talk to and about. If they don’t pay up soon we should expose them to a bigger audience.
If there is nothing in the very near future, I’ll let you know when I’m on Today tonight and A current Affair here down under. Just go to (nine msn.com.au) Web page and I will tell them to post it there. T.V,! There is no bigger way to get it out there. Lets make a pact to do this.
If you all mean it than we take them down to never do this again. Every television program possible!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Its the karma they deserve if they don’t deliver. So we have all typed, Now lets talk and talk loud. We have the power NOT Stella.
Save others not only from the money in there pocket but as said above by Mike check their DREAMS. As that is the biggest thing that gets me. Lotto doesn’t promise you a thing only a chance. THEY promised us BIG TIME.
If you are with me than SAY SO, Cause with or with out you I’m gonna mate. Cough up or RUN RUN RUN and never get a chance again to do this EVER Again!!!!!!!! Sam Yes thats me Sammy! Why should I hide Hello From what Them Ha!
Comment by SM — 16th February 2008 @ 11:24 am
I’m from germany and in the last week i had problems to get their site just sometimes. but since the last three days its NOT a problem and i think it has nothing to do whith “use a virgin computer”, “conspiracy theorie” or anything was posted here…
and: i don’t understand all this sarcasm offered here.
we should all remember that there was just a tiny little chance to get a lot of money for being lazy and doing nothing.
so, come on, where is your pride??
biting around and crying because of what??
relax, don’t give them more money and accept your personal responsibility!
regards
Comment by Socke — 16th February 2008 @ 12:12 pm
Anyone know who is behind TeamTHEMCO?
Comment by Owen Platt — 16th February 2008 @ 2:39 pm
Hi SM, that’s how I like it, wish everyone would feel like that, then things will get moving, lots of passion to bring bad people to book!! Nobody should kill our DREAMS!
Hi Owen, I know who is behind THEMCO etc., that’s why I changed my name, but just hold on a bit maybe he can help us by some unknown reason, even though I think he has also now been taken for a ride by Stella and Co without knowing it, it is really like that, he put a lot of money into it, maybe not knowing them, and now this foundation stuff, I can see red faces very soon…trying to do good and then looking like a big A – hole!!
No new entry on the GPP website, pure luck to get in, but someone seems to fumbling on their website, making it more difficult, maybe on a very low budget 🙂 🙂 The GPP support E-mail also seems to be off, a good indicator?!
Involving the media is a good plan, no place to hide, the modern world is small and many people need money so they will talk!
Comment by otto — 16th February 2008 @ 4:56 pm
Hey Otto, call me Samantha after the TV show Bewitched, I just met a Tabitha tonight. (first time eva)
I think that must be a sign, don’t you?????????!! Considering that I was nearly named after Tabitha.
Saved by the bell, I said to her and named SAMANTHA instead, And she said:
” Depends on which way you look at it”. “Be positive and say thanx I’m famous, or “I get that all the TIME”!!! I’ll take positive any day as would you, if we had something to bounce it off, would help!!
T.V is the go , It is a part of my sign.eg (Tabitha)
The other is look at this from a different perspective, and give it the Wings its asking for, and set the Dove free. See if it comes back.. SM
Comment by SM — 16th February 2008 @ 7:02 pm
Bloody hope Sooooooo! Or Im havin my fifteen minutes of fame.
And very soon.
Id rather a pay check from the GPP, to make up for the crappy husband that threw away mine and my kids future and all that I went without for. Love to say” Hey You don’t control me anymore”!!!!!
Hard work and going without shot to the sh-t by him. Don’t want It from Stella.
Comment by SM — 16th February 2008 @ 7:16 pm
Hi guys,
GPP’s website is online again, although a bit slow.
I got into my account and noticed that the amount was updated
and my referral downline grew a bit. So, they must have been
working on maintenance and updating at the same time.
No news on the forum as yet. I hope that by Monday
we will at least get an explanation of what’s going on behind
the scenes.
Keep your hopes up. No good will come from panic.
Take care.
JL
Comment by JL — 16th February 2008 @ 10:07 pm
Hallo SOCKE, kan nicht Deinen Brief verstehen, hast wohl nicht die letzte Woche mit GPP durchgemacht, ein profi Geschaeft macht seine Plane offenbar und versteckt sich nicht hinter den Kulissen, also wasch bitte Deinen Kopf, Du bist hinterm Mond!!
Yes. GPP is back, maybe read through this forum, last entries, have they got much choice to fight against commited fighters, they know well that if cought with dubious stuff we will see that they land in jail!
Enjoy next week, regardless
Comment by otto — 17th February 2008 @ 2:38 pm
you can use their mirrors sites to log on
like http://www.globalpensionplan.tk
but it’s real slow.
we are a few days past the payout, where are all the people that believed in this crap?? why have they stopped posting.
thats right SHUT UP
Comment by Busting Gut — 17th February 2008 @ 3:33 pm
Hope you R ok Busting Gut… Anyway, apparently this morning there was a new posting on forum/finalstep/questions and answers concerning “all payout will be paid into the bank solution which they now have” and then it was removed again????
I think someone told them correctly that they cannot change the last AGREEMENT that members can ALSO pay into our own bank accounts, trusts/foundations which we have opened specially for that money. So in effect there is nothing new on the GPP website, Feb 8 last entry.
They should be asamed of being so un-professional, that’s the bottom line, VERY CRUDE indeed!!!!
Comment by otto — 17th February 2008 @ 5:47 pm
Have you noted at how good ole’ Ben is trying to separate himelf from GPP?
It is amazing that this Ben character is so concerned about moving his name from the GPP. How wrong of us to associate him w/ GPP! I mean, he would not be able to START his NEXT scam with the negativity from the first!
Ben, I’m sure that there are many more on these Blogs that will attempt to shut your scamming down! I only want to find someone who can help in this shut down, or at least get the word out! Oh yes, Ben, while attempting to scam all of this money from everyone, why don’t you get yourself a better translator! The following are a few reasons why this too, is a GPP successor;
First, his english sucks, especially for a business man who is handling millions.
Second, this rambling of his sounds more like a man on the run, or someone trying to save his own SCAM!
Third, why don’t you provide us with an address, or phone number… Oh yea, it is because of security issues. Right!
Fourth, where is your domain email address? What’s the deal w/ the AOL account! CHEEZY!
Everyone, for your benefit, the following is what ole’ boy was saying about GPP and Ben’s Company.. It’s long, but you’ll see what I mean…
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HELLO, I HAVE LOST OVER $10MILLIONS IN COMMISSIONS SINCE THE ACTIVE BUTTON WAS PLACED IN THE BACKOFFICE I WAS NOT RECEIVING THE BONUSES OF $2000 EURO THROUGH OUT MY DOWNLINE WHICH WAS COMING IN ALL OVER THE COUNTRY.DOING THAT TIME FRAME UP TILL NOW. PLEASE ADDRESS THANKS ALSO I NOTICE THAT MY BACK OFFICE NOW SAYS CONTACT SUPPORT CAN’T LOG ON. HAVE THE HACKERS AND OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN TRY TO SHUT DOWN GLOBAL STRUCK AGAIN? I MEAN PEOPLES HAVE REALLY BEEN ATTACKING ME SAYING THAT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN A SCAM ON THE INTERNET SINCE 2005 AND NEVER PAID OUT AS THEY PROMISED PEOPLES AND THEY REPORTED GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO FEDS AND OTHERS TO INVESTIGATE YOU’LL AS SCAMS ON THE INTERNET RIPPING PEOPLES OFF AND NOT PAYING OUT THE CONTRACTS AMOUNTS YOU STATES ON THE WEB- SITE. NOW NOTE THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STANDING UP FOR GLOBAL PENSION PLAN FROM DAY ONE AND EVERY DAY UNTIL NOW.TELLING PEOPLES THIS IS REAL AND WILL PAY OFF WHEN CONTRACTS ARE SOLD,HOWEVER THEY SAY THAT PROMISE FROM GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN OUT THEIR FOR OVER A YEAR MAKING PROMISES TO PAY AND NEVER DID A SCAM. I STILL INSIST TO THEM EVEN WITH THE DOWN TIME ON GLOBAL PENSION PLAN WHEN NO ONE CAN BE PROCESSED GLOBAL IS REAL AND THEY ARE LEGIT AND PEOPLES WILL GET PAID GIVE EVERYTHING TIME TO BE PROCESSED, THAT YOU WILL PAY THEM AND US OFF. NOW I KNOW FROM MR. DIETER THAT THIS IS REAL AND GOOD AND SOLID PROGRAM AND ALL WILL BE WELL DESPITE OF ALL THE UPS AND DOWNS YOU ARE EXPENIENCING. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BLAKELY BLUNT ATTACKS LAUNCH AT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO SHUT YOU DOWN, THERE ARE PEOPLES OUT THERE THAT FOR SURE DON’T WON’T THIS MONEY TO BE PAID OUT TO THE MEMBERS AND THEY ARE RIGHT NOW DOING AND SAYING EVERYTHING TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING HOWEVER I TELL THE PEOPLES WE WILL FOR SURE GET PAID IN END OF FEB.2008 AS STATED IN FORUM.
20 ben seigler PLEASE NOTE THIS HOW CAN SOMEONE SIGNUP UP ANY BODY WHEN THE SITE IS DOWN ALL THE TIME. AND I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET PEOPLES SIGNED UP. PAYMENT PROCESSORS NOT WORKING, I ASK FOR STELLA TO ASSIST ME AND SIGNING THEM UP,HOWEVER TO BUSY I HAVE SENT IN REQUESTS TO HELP AND FIX THE PAYMENT PROCESSORS TO SIGNUP PEOPLES, SO HOW CAN SOMEONE SIGN UP PEOPLES, AND ANOTHER NOTE: NOW ON FEES, E-BULLUION WAS FIRST USED THEN SWITCH TO LIBERTY AND C-GOLD WHICH YOU MUST PAY A HEALTHY MONEY EXCHANGE AND WIRE TRANSFER FEE TO CONVERT THE USD TO EUROS. WHICH MAKES THE CONTRACT PRICE OF $44.10 COSTS MUCH MORE, SO NOW IT TAKES MORE MONEY TO PURCHASED THE CONTRACTS, SO A ADDITIONAL FEE HAVE TO BE CHARGE TO COVER COSTS OF THAT, NOW HOW IS THAT DOING WRONG? NOW AS THE WEB-SITE AND HACKERS HAVE KEPT THE SITE DOWN FOR MOST TIMES WITH PROCESSORS CHANGING AND NOW BEN SEIGLER GETS THE BLAME FOR NOT PROCESSING PEOPLES /I SAY THE DEFEATED DEVIL IS A LIAR AND WON’T WIN THIS WAR AGAINST A SOLDIER OF THE I AM THE LORD WHO HELPED HIM. I DEMAND THAT YOU TAKE MY NAME OUT OF THIS PETITION OF FALSELY ACCUSING ME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SAYS THE LORD. READ PSALMS 47 IN THE HOLY BIBLE.WITH SPIRITUAL EYES AND DO UNDERSTAND IT. I ASK KINDLY FOR STELLA AND MANAGEMENT AS THEY MAY BE ONE, TO ASSIST ME IN GETTING THE PEOPLES I HAVE SIGNED UP ASAP.AND LETS MOVE ON SEE MY E-MAIL BELOW TO CONTACT ME AND WORK THIS OUT AND SETTLE IT, BECAUSE FALSE STATEMENTS ARE MADE AGAINST ME. AS THEY HAVE BEEN MADE AGAINST GLOBAL PENSION PLAN SINCE 2005 MY E-MAIL:cashflonow101@aol.com ALSO HAVE THE HACKERS AND OTHER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN TRY TO SHUT DOWN GLOBAL STRUCK AGAIN? I MEAN PEOPLES HAVE REALLY BEEN ATTACKING ME SAYING THAT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN A SCAM ON THE INTERNET SINCE 2005 AND NEVER PAID OUT AS THEY PROMISED PEOPLES AND THEY REPORTED GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO FEDS AND OTHERS TO INVESTIGATE YOU’LL AS SCAMS ON THE INTERNET RIPPING PEOPLES OFF AND NOT PAYING OUT THE CONTRACTS AMOUNTS YOU STATES ON THE WEB- SITE. NOW NOTE THIS !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HAVE BEEN FIGHTING STANDING UP FOR GLOBAL PENSION PLAN FROM DAY ONE AND EVERY DAY UNTIL NOW.TELLING PEOPLES THIS IS REAL AND WILL PAY OFF WHEN CONTRACTS ARE SOLD,HOWEVER THEY SAY THAT PROMISE FROM GLOBAL PENSION PLAN HAS BEEN OUT THEIR FOR OVER A YEAR MAKING PROMISES TO PAY AND NEVER DID A SCAM. I STILL INSIST TO THEM EVEN WITH THE DOWN TIME ON GLOBAL PENSION PLAN WHEN NO ONE CAN BE PROCESSED GLOBAL IS REAL AND THEY ARE LEGIT AND PEOPLES WILL GET PAID GIVE EVERYTHING TIME TO BE PROCESSED, THAT YOU WILL PAY THEM AND US OFF. NOW I KNOW FROM MR. DIETER THAT THIS IS REAL AND GOOD AND SOLID PROGRAM AND ALL WILL BE WELL DESPITE OF ALL THE UPS AND DOWNS YOU ARE EXPENIENCING. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME BLAKELY BLUNT ATTACKS LAUNCH AT GLOBAL PENSION PLAN TO SHUT YOU DOWN, THERE ARE PEOPLES OUT THERE THAT FOR SURE DON’T WON’T THIS MONEY TO BE PAID OUT TO THE MEMBERS AND THEY ARE RIGHT NOW DOING AND SAYING EVERYTHING TO STOP IT FROM HAPPENING HOWEVER I TELL THE PEOPLES WE WILL FOR SURE GET PAID IN END OF FEB.2008 AS STATED IN FORUM.
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Let’s bust down this scam before it begins good. I’d like to make this effort gone into this scam a waste of their time and money!
Mike Check
Comment by MikeCheck — 17th February 2008 @ 10:14 pm
MikeCheck – See posts #118 and #157 above.
Seigler has no domain as far as I know. He works mainly through teleconferences that were held on a regular basis and by mail to receive payments.
In addition to the local agencies listed in #157 above, which also have web sites to file complaints by email or form, since he’s used mail and postal money orders, that puts it within the jurisdiction domain of US Postal Inspectors and likely the US FBI also.
Postal Inspection Service complaint form and contact pages are here:
http://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/forms/MailFraudComplaint.aspx
http://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactUs/phoneus.aspx
FBI’s Norfolk VA Field office contact page is here:
http://norfolk.fbi.gov/contactus.htm
Comment by JH — 18th February 2008 @ 3:55 am
You ever notice crooks always like to quote THE BIBLE….LOL
What can I you or anyone say to stop the payout???
What a load of crap… GPP is sloppy and they will get caught
Comment by Busting Gut — 18th February 2008 @ 5:02 am
Why would you want to stop a payout “IF” it were to happen?????
Almost sounds like that’s what you folks would try to do “IF” payouts were to happen. Not saying I think they will. Question: What would you all do “IF” they started to make payouts? Just asking for your thoughts. Thanks.
Comment by Busterblues — 18th February 2008 @ 6:30 am
Hi busting Gut, logged into the mirror Site and got the home page, but nothing when I logged in. Just a dead end. No web page can be displayed.
If you guys can get in, post in here what it says in the forum cause I wouldn’t have a clue. I can then tell my Western Aussie mates that are down line, with no Internet on. I do need to relay something cobba!! Cheers Sammy!
Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 7:41 am
Hi Sammy,
Try this link: http://www.globalpp.net/login.php
I now get in every time I log in.
Nothing new on the forum though.
Hope you are successful.
Take care,
JL
Comment by JL — 18th February 2008 @ 8:17 am
No luck JL, don’t no why, Ive tried them all. I did click the Active button for my self and my down line so that cant be why, I guess I will just keep in touch on here.
Keep the feeds coming. Cheers for your input mate. Sammy!
Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 8:35 am
hy Sammy,
Hi Sammy, JL is my girlfriend, lucky me! Now that it’s easy to get onto GPP we just hope that we hear from S+N, else no use!
Comment by extan — 18th February 2008 @ 8:55 am
I found this on GPP posted 9h55 today 18 Feb., first input since 6 Feb., don’t know how we could send our ID copies etc. ANYWAY as long as they do not provide us with a forwarding address? Will they really come out of the secret bunker?
info for those that do not have access to GPP 🙂
take care!
Dear Members,
We are preparing a more complete update for you concerning the Banking Solution. This will come out hopefully later this week!
Please don’t email or mail us the Agreements and the ID copies yet! We don’t want or need them before the Banking Solution is ready!
Thank you!
Regards,
Stella
Comment by extan — 18th February 2008 @ 11:41 am
Thanx guys, appreciate that. Will keep trying as always.
Yeah, I think anyone who thinks lucky me with another is already lucky……! Big Cheers! Sammy.
Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 1:09 pm
Hi Sammi, I know you are going through a bad patch, don’t worry, try the datingbuzz iafrica or down yonder thats where I found my love, life gets so beautiful when you find the right one, it can be done, just be patient, lets see whether Stella and Co. can beef up our life, wish they would know our dreams 🙂
Comment by extan — 18th February 2008 @ 1:16 pm
Yeah, me too extan! Going to meditate on that one tonite, Stella and Partners hear our DREAMS, and that of my kids who are hoping along with me. Would love to give my kids, that share a bedroom for three, at least one bedroom each.
I took them dream building on this one. They are my love for now and even though I don’t hold a great emphasis on money It helps.
I don’t even hold that many policies but enough to give them a home one day.
All the best extan and JH keep dreaming and believing. Your kindness helps a lot, more than you could ever know. Sammy!
Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 1:36 pm
Sorry I mean JL. Too many J’s here LOl. Silly Sam
Comment by SM — 18th February 2008 @ 1:37 pm
Hi All,
Here is the latest post in the GPP website forum.
“Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 12:57 pm Post subject:
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Birth certificate will be accepted from the members of any age who don’t have any other form of ID.”
Be positive. We might as well get wealthy! 🙂
Anras
Comment by andras — 18th February 2008 @ 3:04 pm
JL, excellent work! I also saw this site stating that this virtual bank was a F rated money pit!
These scammers must have spent a good amount of time establishing all of these sites and such.
As I said earlier, if they worked on something valid (something of use), they may have done well.
I suppose that there is nothing like free easy money huh?
Nonetheless, that was great info on tracking this back to this clown. Money orders huh? This just might get this clown!
How much do you want to bet that he will no longer accept money orders. I dare say that he will not be in that house within the next 15 days or so. Hope that you are stuck in a lease! Then again, since your character is at question, you’d probably judt leave anyway…
Everyone dig this! Ole girl has to move the site due to “hackers” What a D’d sorry excuse! This is nothing more than an attempt to elude us or gather more people to their scam… The following is what I saw from another site…
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She mentioned the new url for GPP as http://www.globalpp.net/login.php
or for your referral link: http://www.globalpp.net/?id=username
She also pointed out that the name had to be changed to globalpp because of more mischief by the group of bad guys who have been responsible for other attacks on GPP.
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You tell me… Right or wrong? I think, no, I know that any reputable company could and would patch a hole instead of establishing a new domain! A DOMAIN IS THE COMPANIES SPACE/IDENTIFICATION ON THE WEB!
You expect Starbucks.com to change thier name to placewherewesellcoffee.com? H@ll NO!
SCAM, SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!!!
Stella, tell me why this was done?
Everyone, join me and watch her elude this question again!
I DARE YOU to answer this question!
As for you supporters, I dare say that you’d like to know this information too…
Again, supporters , do you want to know this? I’ll ask again, and call someone out, if no answer. I already suspect someone already as working with/as Stella.
Let’s all wait for this one!!!
MikeCheck
Yes, stella, Ben and Co., still having those website issues? I guess that this is what you get when you jump around on free servers.
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th February 2008 @ 6:22 pm
Actually I did not mean to add this about free servers. I meant to say something about the fact that you KEEP ON SEEING this company jump from one server to another!!!
I don’t know about you, but I have NEVER seen such a thing! NEVER!!!!
Stella youwant to address his too? Maybe the boogey man is still hacking your sites?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th February 2008 @ 6:29 pm
I find it amazing that GPP’s site is so hacked. It appears that they have more attacks on them than the U.S. Department of Defense has received from the best terrorist organizations. Perhaps I am a bit naive in this matter, but does it not seem rather strange that this site is down so often, and denying access to so many? Is GPP’s server a subroutine in a cellphone program? Perhaps they should take the server out of the trunk of the car and place it in a nice stable building. Just a suggestion:)
Comment by downhomeguy — 18th February 2008 @ 6:40 pm
This is pretty sad. I have a family member that has not only invested thousands into this scam, he is really counting on it paying off and will be devastated when it doesn’t. He has purchased these “memberships” for many friends and family not to mention the money used to purchase the ATM cards that will be needed when the big payoff happens.
Now, they are all being asked for color copies of their photo ID’s. Who knows the number of stolen identities that will come from that alone. They say that they are not asking for social security numbers. I am not sure, but aren’t there ways for crooks to track that down once they have your ID?
I have a couple of questions about this. Global says they need 100,000 “memberships”. I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of “memberships” they have already scammed people out of. I am sure they reached their victim goal long ago. Their delay tactic after another will continue until people stop buying into this, or until they finally get caught.
My second question is why are these called “memberships”? Is it because there is not as much recourse or fraud liability against the scammer once they are caught, if ever? The global people really stress that this is not an investment.
The postings on Global’s web site from Stella that are copied and pasted in many entries above are only ploys to try to influence people into continuing. They are nothing more than fake entries to keep the false hopes going so that more money can be scammed.
I also hate it when someone misquotes biblical scripture to manipulate.
Comment by LD — 18th February 2008 @ 7:56 pm
I’m SHOCKED that GPP is still “alive”. I was under the impression that they would’ve disappeared some time ago as they have obviously made several million Euros so far. And paid out exactly nothing…
Remember what they said on the site:
“Global Pension Plan offers no guarantee of any kind. Risk is an integral part of any financial transaction… Global Pension Plan will make every effort to reduce the probability of loss but payment of Compensation and Loyalty Program Rewards are on a best efforts basis…â€Â
and in the ‘Disclaimer’ section…
“The details contained herein are for informational purposes only, are subject to possible error, change, and/or amendment, and are provided specifically as a courtesy at the request of the recipientâ€Â
There’s no money coming I’m afraid ladies and gentlemen. Please don’t send “Stella” any more fees for membership.
Comment by Ben — 18th February 2008 @ 11:30 pm
Downhomeguy, you are notnaive at all! Indeed it is strange, no, pitiful that this site stays down so much.
As I mentioned earlier, the mom & pop’s pizza store site has never been down! To truly put this in perspective, how many valid websites have you seen down? If you have seen one, I’ll bet you that you only saw such a problem once!
This is so very Triffling!!!
Stella & Co. – You all are doing good running around on server to server, mixing up info between each of your identities and so on. A very sad situation.
Stella, again, I invite you to review # 360. What’s up with that?
# 361 & 374 provide a comment on that! If you cannot read the previous posts, I’ll reiterate those questions again for everyones benefit. Hmmm.. maybe I should provide a compilation of questions that you continue to not answer.
Oh, maybe you are working on the banking solution….
People, please note, as I stated earlier, more time is again needed for this solution! Goodness, I could have bet good money on the fact that this would happen!
Stella, now what is the deal?
Even again, let’s see if she, I mean he, I mean they, have enough fortitude to answer!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th February 2008 @ 11:39 pm
Well, as I once posted, my father had purchased a bunch of these “memberships.” But I continue to refuse to send the color-copied ID’s. Twice I have been the victim of identity theft and it takes a long time to get it corrected. I fear that many will be sending these copied documents only to find that they are being used to open accounts and obtain credit for those who have been manipulating this “program.”
Comment by downhomeguy — 19th February 2008 @ 1:13 am
Hello for every one here!I was readyn today your forum,i have to say that it is very’dramatic’,i understand why,also here i have so many questions and i wonder why it is imposible to get an answer about any thing.I wonder if anybody know what about those people who have 2 nationalites,what they can do?what copy they have to use, if that can be from another id from other country,even if that is not the one where they live?.I hope that every body here get payed,sure isn’t normal all that silence!..what ever,do you know a better way to get your children quite,nice and cooperative with you?I call it comunication,that’s all!peace,when you don’t get wrong things and every body can get the answers.All you have a nice week and cheers!…sorry about all the bad ortografy falts,i try next time better.
Comment by Salt — 19th February 2008 @ 1:46 am
Good for you Downhomeguy. I truly do not recommend that anyone send this information! ID theft is really a terrible thing. I too am a victim, but I’m sure that what I’m going through is nothing in comparison to the financial losses that could be had from these clowns!
The person who’s downline that I’m in may have done this already. I sure hope that he has not done so. I always say, why give this information up to someone who won’t give you theirs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Everyone, please take Downhomeguy’s lead. You’d be paying these clowns 40 bucks to ruin your financial future! I’d bet that those who have provided this info would find that they’ll have a couple of new credit cards that will be maxed out, and maxed out FAST!
Might I suggest, that if you have provided this information, that you from now on have a credit service placed on your credit. A sad thing, but it will probably be necessary for several years… Possibly forever! The credit check will get in touch with you and ask if a credit card or request for credit is something that you authorized! This is too much trouble to go throug for this scam!
Funny that they would be able to do this from Africa, France, Finland or wherever(s), they are.
I’m not going to say buyer beware. I’m going to say, buyer heed my warning! I mean are you going to give up your most important information to someone you don’t know, have never seen, have no address that can be verified, who’s website cannot stay up, who’s server continually changes, who continues to change pay dates, who has no idea of who or where the baking solution is (What is that anyway), who cannot provide an answer to anyone without providing some elusive answer??
I saw on Dateline where internet scammers laugh at gullible Americans. In this case it looks like they have gotten to several countries.
Before any of this information is sent, please demand that they provide some kind of information to you!!! After all, this crap about keeping quiet is a pile of CRAP! Why should this be quiet? What is happening that is so important that we must keep this hush hush. For goodness sake, this is “supposedly” overseas transactions. Sounds like the only thing goin on here is preventing US prosecution!
What do you think of that Stella’s.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 2:33 am
MikeCheck, do you think you are wonderful??
Some of your lines, if condensed are ok, but please get to the point, stop the negative crap, writing endless letters that nobody reads, it will achieve nothing.
It seems now that Stella has re-appeared after a week of silence you and a few other guys object like crazy! LD what is your problem, I suppose it’s in the head? You do not seem to understand how things work, this forum is superb to work at things until they hopefully work, but only if we keep to the point and try to achieve a POSITIVE outcome, rather than to damage it!! Rather keep that ugly mush to yourself or tell it to your granny!
Well, about GPP they now have to jump over the last obstacle, i.e to come a bit out of hiding, maybe the quickest way would be to include space in our profiles to enter the ID numbers, account numbers, etc. they don’t get the pin number so no problem?
Comment by sleuth2008 — 19th February 2008 @ 8:22 am
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Comment by Koychi — 19th February 2008 @ 9:04 am
thanks Koychi
Comment by sleuth2008 — 19th February 2008 @ 9:52 am
Hey Otto!
Of course I HAVE been gone through the last weekSSS(!) whith GPP but I did’nt have had the trouble you had obviously. So there is no need to snap at me.
And sorry, but: “Ein Profi-Geschäft” ?!?
Otto that’s ridiculous and absurd.
All these promises at their site – the whole design and the profitrate didn’t raise any doubts at all??
So, please, you are not a little Otto, you are accountable for your “investments”.
And think about your tone.
Being kind to others should be possible, even though you are disappointed and desperate.
Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 11:15 am
well SOCKE I have also worked in Germany at DESY in Hamburg, usually associalted with Prof’s or Dr’s. Nuclear research etc. clever guys, I think you should rather fit on your socks, because you would not fit in there, Otto von Bismark was completely right, I agree fully with him!!! Would you regard GPP as professional? Maybe we can help them!
🙂
Comment by sleuth2008 — 19th February 2008 @ 11:31 am
well sleuth
just relax like me drinking good black german coffee and having one or two pieces of excellent homemade cake.
Life could be so easy and happiness doesn’t depend on huge sums of GPP-money 😉
Hope that Otto will adopt some german habits…
Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 11:47 am
can somebody explain what meens exactly the postings from koychi?
Comment by monica — 19th February 2008 @ 12:36 pm
well of course today is payday-not! 19th of Feb and still no news about anything (just logged on- don’t seem to have had the same issues that everyone else has in login on). I can’t say I am surprised that this is till on going as I am sure nothing further will happen until the sign ups stop and then they will issue something like- “due to the lack of people committed to the program it has been unable to payout.” As there is a no refund once you are signed on to the program they ligitimately walk away with the sign up money.
Wish it was otherwise but- scam scam scam scam!
Comment by Goosey — 19th February 2008 @ 12:58 pm
I think Koychi tried to locate the server(s) location used by GPP, good work just in case! No place to hide, BB is watching 🙂 !
Stella promised to tell us about their banking solution sometime this or next week, I hope she remembers that recently she agreed that members could also have their own account into which they would pay out, in any case this makes sense because sooner or later they would need access to their money, i.e. payout, preferably their own account, foundation or trust fund with someone they trust. With the GPP solution it may be difficult to draw money at a later stage. One possible solution in Kuala Lumpur looked like an individual or group to first have to file for opening a new bank… would not trust that, could soon close again, etc., how about using a world class bank like HSBC, branches everywhere?
Socke, Schwarzwaelder Kirschtorte hmmm, aber schwarzer Filterkaffee ist mir zu bitter! Gibts auch in Sued Afrika.
Comment by extan — 19th February 2008 @ 1:26 pm
is kind of headache when try to read the postings here…. especially post by mikecheck…
Comment by Meck — 19th February 2008 @ 3:09 pm
sleuth2008, shouldn’t everyone like themselves? This is your response (383) to my (382).
I’ll get to the point…
Where is the pay out? That’s not negative.
When is the last time that Stella provided good information? That’s not negative.
Why does her server jump from one location to another? That’s not negative.
Why use an online bank where it is not possible to withdraw your own money? That too is not negative.
Why are they in hiding in the first place? Not negative!
Again, straight to the point. No negative crap. Even short enough to read!
Come on, now,even you can’t answer any of these… Please tell me why others should not be frustrated. Simple comunication could solve this.
Stella why don’t you have someone anwser this for us, with sugar on top. You see, I’m being nice now….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 3:11 pm
sleuth2008,
By the way, I can see why this could have been construed as being negative. Yes, in one respect, perhaps it was leaning towards that direction.
I will say that when I saw this guy say that we Americans were gullible, it did not make me happy. A statement like that, I don’t think would make anyone happy. Reminded me of this.
Oh, on the previous post, I was not calling you Stella. This was meant a a question to her.
On anoher note —
Who suggests that we provide our most IMPORTANT information to an “agency” who is UNTRACIBLE!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 3:36 pm
Hey everyone, i have not been able to get on the GPP site for 2 weeks now, i have tried all the ways mentioned here and nothing. what is going on? cheers
Comment by Blade68 — 19th February 2008 @ 5:39 pm
Hello!can someone answer my question please?in every forum same thing happens,can you help me and say anything about it?thank you!SALT
Comment by Salt — 19th February 2008 @ 8:05 pm
Hey SALT!
The personal data you took for your profile at GPP’s site just has to be the same that is written in your ID-documents.That’s all…
So if you have got two nationalities and two different passports -or whatever- choose the one you want to and take care that your profile’s data is identical whith your document(copie).
GPP -in case of payout!!! ;-)- just want to be sure that you are a real person.
Hope that helped…
Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 8:39 pm
Hey Socke, can you access the gpp web site?
Comment by Blade68 — 19th February 2008 @ 9:03 pm
You have got to be kidding! Ha Ha… You have got to be kidding! Anonymousspeech LLC!!! What are they hiding from!
Monica, what this means (info Koychi provided) is that this Stella is taking every step to be elusive possible! This is yet another attempt to hide (Now watch how many of Stella’s buddies here get angry about that statement)! Take a look!
Meck, take an asprin! Tell me one thing that I’ve said that isn’t true!
They are using a great server. No, really it is. Provides a great site builder! Something like the one… on the new Global website. —– GPP could have had a professional designer do it for them though… Especially for such a profitable company with their Billions.
DO NOT GIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION UNTIL YOU GET SOME VALID CONFIRMATION, AN ADDRESS, AND A VALID PHONE NUMBER THAT MAY BE FOUND ON THE WEB (oh, make sure that the phone number belongs to the entity that they claim to be. I saw something on one of their sister sites where the phone number was somewhere totally unrelated)!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 9:19 pm
Hey Blade!
No problem to access the GPP-Site out of Germany.
And mike!
You might get a heart attack if you go on like this…
how many “policies” did you “buy” that you are posting like fury 😉
Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 9:35 pm
Thanks Socke, i am in UK and havn’t been able to get on GPP-site for 2 weeks! is there any new news on the site? cheers
Comment by Blade68 — 19th February 2008 @ 9:44 pm
Sockie,
Ha, you are right! I have been posting pretty regularly. Also, I’m out $80.00. Yea, only $80.00. I’m not hurting at all on that. I am simply disgusted at how many people are being shammed!
By the way, could you post the link to the GPP site? No, I don’t have a password or anything, but perhaps you could post this for everyone else… I’m sure that they would appreciate that…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th February 2008 @ 10:02 pm
Hey Blade!
I think we had postings of the sensational “GPP-latest-news” here already but (again) especially for you 😉 :
Just two new forum announcements… nothing more and not really the expected news 😉
Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 9:55 am Post subject: Short Update Reply with quote
Dear Members,
We are preparing a more complete update for you concerning the Banking Solution. This will come out hopefully later this week!
Please don’t email or mail us the Agreements and the ID copies yet! We don’t want or need them before the Banking Solution is ready!
Thank you!
Regards,Stella
AND
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: ID Reply with quote
Dear Members,
The accepted IDs will be:
– passport
– driver’s license
– birth certificate
Birth certificate will be accepted from the members of any age who
don’t have any other form of ID.
– government issues photo ID card (added because of it looks like a big number of members only have this one)
Regards,
Stella
…thank you stella, so generous… my head detonades
Comment by Socke — 19th February 2008 @ 11:10 pm
Socke,
Why don’t you list the site where we can find this sensational information, or is it that we can’t access the website over here (US)? That’s funny, especially since GPP is working off of a Japanese server right now!
Stella is sure on the move! Yea for Stella! Bet she’s working on that solution right now! Good for her!
I’ll tell you something funny, Feb 5th she says not to send info just yet. HA! How can you send something to someone w/ no address!
My friends, please consider the following:
DO NOT GIVE PERSONAL INFORMATION UNTIL YOU GET SOME VALID CONFIRMATION, AN ADDRESS, AND A VALID PHONE NUMBER THAT MAY BE FOUND ON THE WEB (oh, make sure that the phone number belongs to the entity that they claim to be. I saw something on one of their sister sites where the phone number was somewhere totally unrelated)!
To follow up… If these clowns can’t mail you something, provide you with something concrete, DON’T SEND IT! In other words, if they ask for this info through email, it’s then their second segment of the Scam!
Must be having too much of a problem w/ this bogus banking solution.
PROVE ME WRONG STELLA!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th February 2008 @ 12:08 am
Thank you socke!i get it!.That it is in the case if whe get more information about gpp what ever it is!other hand to much people can’t post their Id.s like that.Salt
Comment by Salt — 20th February 2008 @ 1:03 am
ok… tell me what i have to lose … living in rented accomodation .. dont own and never likely to own anything of any great value … 60 yr old disabled and living on benifuts ….what real damage can they do to me if i do give over my id … the policy was bought for me as a gift …
Comment by curious to know — 20th February 2008 @ 1:29 am
MikeCheck,
Some of us would appreciate it if you would lighten up a bit. By now we all know where you stand with all of this. There are those that come to this forum to see questions and concerns that others are having, and for an exchange of information, but not to become bombarded with negativity that we all are experiencing within ourselves anyway. There is nothing that you have said that I am in disagreement with, but that does not mean I need it pounded into my thoughts everytime I read this blog.
Comment by Gabriel — 20th February 2008 @ 2:47 am
I feel like I’m part of one of the Jason “Bourne” movies. So much cloak and dagger, or should I say “bait and switch?” Shadowy figures appear and then dart away to work madly on “banking solutions” and other activities that just seem to be so much talk that it smells like a scam.
“If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then I’ll bet it really is a duck.”
Comment by downhomeguy — 20th February 2008 @ 3:55 am
I got my payout..and man if feels good!
GPP I love ya
not
Comment by Busting Gut — 20th February 2008 @ 4:36 am
Exactly!
Oh, Ben Seigler (the individual behind GPIT)… I have not forgotten you just yet.
GGP and GPIT… We’ll talk…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th February 2008 @ 5:18 am
well mike,thanks for 3 lines, much better, you’ve heard 3 members complaining about you repeating concerns, lets give the members and GPP the best we can offer, working for one goal, to get our money!!
Enjoy the wait….
Comment by extan — 20th February 2008 @ 12:03 pm
I don’t mind waiting extan its just the uncertainty that I don’t like. I cant get on any site. Maybe My jurisdiction is not a good one. I dunno. Keep me posted. Thank god for this site as I would feel pretty alone.
Cant wait for the day that my brother who is mocking me about this to ask me one last time “Got your money yet” with that I told you so grin, and say Yep. Wait for the next ONE Bro. LOL
Comment by SM — 20th February 2008 @ 2:17 pm
Hey Mikie-Checker!!
I’ll tell you something… (what a bother that my english isn’t good enough…)
But: Why are you always interfering in dialogues whith your bugging and repeating stuff? My last posting was just an answer to Blade who didn’t get the latest “stella-announcement”.
(my opinion: that doesn’t matter anyway… but a lesson -especially for you- about practiced friendliness 😉 )
If I may venture a guess: here isn’t anybody around who is still interested in your font of agro-anecdotes…
make a brake and steady your nerves so you are able to enjoy the big GPP-payout healthfully 😉
Hanging around and waiting for millions isn’t the worst job, is it?
(sorry…have been sarcastic I guess 😉 )
Comment by Socke — 20th February 2008 @ 2:28 pm
…oh and mikie:
I swear their website is running as fast as an Easter bunny here in germany…
my eyes have been got really exhausted while watching out the GPP-forum for some news…
Comment by Socke — 20th February 2008 @ 2:36 pm
Oh, Socke your grammar is so confusing. Maybe you would be better off, making a comment in the German version of this site. Maybe you already do. If so whats the web sites name??? Might comment there and get picked on for my grammar!!lol Just a little humor there!!!
Id love to attempt German comments on a doitchland site. Even if I only speak a little German. Why not!
Why do you have a GO at MikeCheck? Last I heard, Its a free country and we have freedom of speech.
All I can say is you must love the Drama. Otherwise ignore what you don’t want to read. Its as simple as that.
I mean you want to talk to someone personally then email them. Other wise let people butt in.
YOU KNOW WHAT I think, you are ganging up, as I see that Gabriel started picking first. Pick at Stella and get her butt into gear.
On this site we are all here, to hear, each others personal postings so, Hey, –
Shit Happens!!!.
Other wise ignore what you don’t like and Contribute what you can. It’s So simple!!
I personally pray every day that what Mike thinks and his concerns are incorrect, and don’t always like to hear the negative version. But with out it I may be selling policies to unsuspecting people. At least I know, now to wait and see the proof.
And always make sure you don’t repeat your self either With the same frustration. Cause someone may get frustrated with you and be sarcastic Or something. After all why would they do that? You didn’t take their money. Best Intentions Sammy!!!!!!!!
If you don’t like what Mike has to say then simply don’t read it.
I think His heart is in the right place and if he is wrong than I think that’s going to be Bloody fantastic.
But buyer BEWARE TOO!!! I gather is all he’s saying.
Comment by SM — 20th February 2008 @ 4:42 pm
There seems to a general consensus not to send in the ID number (because of possible identity theft), (assuming we get an address from GPP or an attachment tag in your profile). As Stella reiterated we can also use our birth certificate, much safer, scan in or camera (cellphone), and save as JPG or whatever.
Comment by extan — 20th February 2008 @ 4:49 pm
just put some patience instead keep on challenging “stella” to counter your question… who knows whether she/he is the real one or some joker just using the nick “stella” to fool around and create havor? posting by mike no doubt bring out some point but is way to long… to read his posting… and bring in negative view wouldn’t help much….
Comment by Meck — 20th February 2008 @ 4:51 pm
yeah SM, long letters in this forum are really no good, distracting from the usual nice format, thats all! Just think about the compact German books with lots of useful info, then take a thick American (computer, etc) book, 15% of the content is superb and the rest is just plain padding, which do you prefer or do you just hate those bloody Germans 🙂 ?
Comment by extan — 20th February 2008 @ 4:57 pm
hey socke, thanks very much for your help. i can get on the GPP-site fine today.
Comment by Blade68 — 20th February 2008 @ 5:35 pm
SM, I was not picking on MikeCheck. As I said, I don’t disagree with one thing he has to say. In fact I feel exactly the same way that he does. Yes “Buyer Beware” is what he is trying to get across. We got it!!!
Comment by Gabriel — 20th February 2008 @ 6:38 pm
SM!
I think you missed some of the postings before but I forgive you. 😉
And to be honest with you, I just take this forum to train my bad grammar and you should be soft on me because of that.
(Beware! Humor!!)
And no, I can’t see any reason to change to a german forum. I’s more fun to be here with you. The whole GPP-thing is sad enough.
As well I can’t see any reason why YOU have a GO at ME now because I totally agree with you. Freedom of speech…free country…blabla…
(at the end it’s because I’m german, that’s ok with me 😉 Humor again!)
But “drama” ?
No, thanks. Mikies daily drama is enough drama for the whole forum.
So remember your friendly advice “ignore what you don’t like”.
Perhaps we can return to the subject…
Comment by Socke — 20th February 2008 @ 6:49 pm
I agree socke, with you and thanks for forgiving me too. I forgive you for thinking its because your German. Goodness I’m not upset at Your being German, or your Grammar for that matter..
I guess I was just trying to make a point and that is, We shouldn’t pick on each other cause We don’t like it our selves.
My whole CONCEPT in that message was to show every one just how It feels to have some one pick on your postings, Like you all seemed to be doing to MikeCheck. I WAS MAKING A POINT (or at least trying too)
Guess you didn’t get my point.!!!!
Cause your German Oh,! I have to Say that Blew me away. (Sorry thats the impression you got). Gosh!
I will have to read a ways back to see if Mike is being nice to every one I guess.
I think you are all great and don’t like to hear you picking on each other. And Lets get back to the point as you say Socke The subject at hand.
Still am nice Sammy!!!
I guess there is no new postings then!!
Comment by SM — 21st February 2008 @ 3:04 am
once again, if it looks like shit, smells like shit, feels like shit, and even tastes like shit. Then it’s shit. It doesn’t turn into sweet chocolate pudding if just stay positive…
Comment by Rokka — 21st February 2008 @ 3:06 am
Everyone,
This may be somewhat extended, but I would like to address some questions/concerns noted towards myself…
I appologize for what is being seen as undue negativity. At this point, it is true that “what is done, is done”. I will also say that, yes, it is my opinion that we have been had. I would ask… Is it wrong to inform your fellow man of possible mishandling of their hard earned money?
Gabriel,
I can apprecaite that you agree with me on this topic. Indeed I would like to say “buyer beware”. Perhaps it is seen as continual rambeling… I’d ask Stella however, as this segment of the program is supposedly CLOSED, why are there still contracts being sold?
Courious to know,
60 is now the new 50. To say that you have nothing to lose, is something that actually, do not agree with. Even if you will never have any further expenses or need for exellent credit, why provide your information an unverified location? You know, even if credit is no longer a concern, why allow crooks to destroy what you have established for all of these years? Take this into consideration, even babies are having their ID’s stolen and accruing debts before even the 1st grade. I’m sure that we would all agree that this is simply wrong! Would you like not to provide these crooks with the ability to obtain ill gotten gains on your credit for ANY reason?
SM and others,
Might I also say that I appreciate your suport. I’d also like to than those who are not downing me for my opinion.
Meck,
Yes, at times these are long posts, but this after all, is a message board for goodness sake! Why should I not challenge Stella to answer the questions that I’ve asked? Take the into consideration the questions in my post 394 for example. I’d ask if she would dare answer any of these questions? Someone said that she DID view this page… I really hope that he, she or them is.
I’d also ask how much longer are we expected to wait! We surely realize how VERY many times we have been put of while waiting for a baking solution. Dare I say that this will go into March?
My friends, don’t get me wrong… I surely want to be wrong. I really really do. Belive me I would be the first to admit my previous negativity and call myself wrong. I simply would like others to be cognisant of these possible pending losses/stealing of money.
Lastly, I would like to ask, why was there a previous request for information to be provided within a small window? If it takes an eternity to get a solution, how would GPP handle these thousands of personal information submittals? If there are so very many people working on this solution shouldn’t it be done already? At this rate how many actually believe that you’d recieve your moneys in a timely fashion? This mearly a question. Hopefully this is not taken wrong.
Again, I truly hope for the best.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 21st February 2008 @ 3:27 am
Rokka,
Just read your post and had a laugh, a good one in fact. I’ll bet that you know that I agree w/ you.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 21st February 2008 @ 3:34 am
What a bummer that shit can’t turn into pudding! Or can it? Guess we wait and see now. Stranger things have happened.
I hope you are reading this Stella, cause we are all just really mad at you and your team I don’t think its at each other at all.
If we could talk to you we wouldn’t be on each others case all the time.
You disappear right when you promised to deliver. It’s out of our control, but its our money. Every single person here and in the GPP deserves their payout when promised.
And that my friends is the simple truth of it.
Comment by SM — 21st February 2008 @ 4:08 am
If any of you dead brains think you are gunna get paid out how about you come work for me please!!!!!!!
I know folk in the uk who should know better but of course it’s the old GREED factor.
Send £30 to my pension plan please dummies….hahaha
Comment by john — 21st February 2008 @ 4:10 am
MikeCheck,
how do you think should we get our bank account info etc. quickly to Stella and Co.? Using SNAIL post or should they send it to NOWHERE, shoot into heaven, whatever????? You do not seem to understand that such info needs to be supplied anyway and processed by GPP once they give us their Address, whatever. Providing this info (attached)in our “all in one” profiles would certaily be the quickest and then we are sure they have access to it and they could preserve their beloved secret stuff! Agreed, it is a big job and that would take some days, hope Stella gets help, no way to finish in Feb! Better for St. to just slip in a note in this forum to say she’s 50% through, etc.
Mike, about your long letters, Sammy seems to love them so maybe send right to down under, marry her, etc. 🙂 . Long letters are usually emotional and often repeat what has already been said, so they are really really shitttttttt!!!! You do not seem to get the message?? I better stop here, before I start to swear! F
Comment by fed-up — 21st February 2008 @ 8:48 am
to john, you have to be in it to win it. no need to be rude, will you feel as cocky if gpp do pay out?
Comment by Blade68 — 21st February 2008 @ 5:23 pm
John,
Ever so often in life, one has the unfortunate task of having to encounter one such as yourself. Someone willing to call individuals, that he has never met, “dummies”. And just because they dared to take a chance at something out of the norm. Is it errogance on your part that you would belittle others for that? Or do you just like to see your childish feelings posted onb the internet? I have no idea if GPP is going to payout and if I had to guess I would probably say that it won’t. But when all is said and done I know that I would be able to get over the fact that I lost a few bucks on a gamble easier than I could get over not risking a few bucks on something that paid out big. Here’s hoping that you find something better to do with your time than criticizing others.
Comment by Gabriel — 21st February 2008 @ 6:03 pm
Good for you Gabriel, Well said!
I think we will all be very happy soon. So John, eat your heart out!
Stella made promises, and I am sure she will keep it and not disappoint 100,000 people who trusted in her.
Be positive. Bless GPP every day for a positive outcome. Our positive attitudes can make a difference!
Be happy and know in your heart that what your mind can conseve, you can achieve!
Comment by JL — 21st February 2008 @ 9:46 pm
Hmmmm; it’s now the 21st of the month and I notice a strange alck of postings by “Stella.” Has anyone read any posting on any site from her? I am supposed to call my father (sad story there) and find out what the new updates are. I guess he has access to some website with a password. Through that site he is able to supposedly get updates on the G.P.P. process.
Comment by downhomeguy — 21st February 2008 @ 9:49 pm
Hey everyone, there is a new post just came on the gpp site but i cant put it on here for some reason!
its from stella saying we dont need to press the active member button.
Comment by Blade68 — 21st February 2008 @ 11:22 pm
Hi Socke!you do say things right!,if is here freedow to speak,why that ‘german lol’coment?I am to from other country and don’t speak english well too.I am curios to know what happen in every forum that speaks about gpp.Make m,thanks for the info,ok you think it is a scam,is there more info about that?,questions?etc…like i say before,if is not comunication,every body get nervous and start to do what are you doin here!I remember that when a came here with a question,that one was answer by Socke and even after so much drama text,socke read and answer,thanks to you!,it doesn’t mean that you are stupid if your want to know something about gpp,after all,in the right time and with all kind of info every one will do what ever they believe.Mike give us info why you think is that a scam,info,etc…or other why not,facts and save the Drama out here,it’s to much of that allready on tv and makes info stuff not very professional, helpfull and serius to read,endeed fact info never is credible if you make a joke from that.Than you all here for the great info you doing!Regards Salt
Comment by Salt — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:37 am
Fed-up,
If you feel that you must swear, you have my permission do so if it will make you feel better. In fact, you can anything that you want. It’s not going to hurt me. It is the insulting of others that should be of concern to you…
Allow me to continue… Now if you feel that you have to send your information to Stella, be my guest. Why don’t you walk to your nearst gas station and give it to someone that you don’t know. If you’ll note, it has many similarities to our situation. We don’t know them, we don’t have their address, and don’t know their phone number. Funny enough, I don’t think that he/she will provide me with any money.
Yes, I’m still remaining positive, but I’m also, now being carefull.
Concered for your fellow man in getting this info to stella huh? To tell the truth, I don’t think that she has the fortitude to provide an address. Now that I mention an address, this Stella and Ben provided an address once before. Guess where it lead? A two family duplex! Can you guess wheter of not if I had a laugh? The answer begins with a YES. – You said something of sending info to Nowhere… Well, I’d say that this would be similar.
You mentioned a big job… Hope she get’s help… I thought that she already had this help and that this should be completed by the end of February. Why don’t you find out for us if we’ll be jacked into another month as I suggested might happen earlier THIS month? By the way what makes you think that she can’t finish this, this month? Hmmmm….
Ha! Long letters distracting. OK, I’ll shorten them in respect to the repeating of questions (eventhough no one can’t anser ANY of them). I’ll simply reference the previous questions. For example the questions that I asked in post 278, 326 or even 405. I won’t even repeat post 360 referring to good ole’ Ben! Thanks buddy, great idea. I’ll just reference these from now on… A real time saver I’d say.
Ok, perhaps I don’t get the message, but I have one that I’ll continue to provide… Buyer beware. I’d also suggest that no further information be provided till we get an address. If so inclined at that point, I’d say that this would be one step in the right direction. What do you think of that? I think that you could appreciate that. I’m also looking out for you, whether you believe this or not…
My friends, asking for an address cannot be this much of a problem. For goodness sake, I’d not even use it except for verification of the location. I’m sure that this would be something easy for Stella to provide! This time I’m not even asking for that elusive phone number. I would think that everyone would appreciate that little bone from Stella. I could appreciate this. Wouldn’t you?
Long post yet again. Sorry, kind of. Well, not really. At the same time, I don’t think that this post was too emotional.
Again, though I may sound negative, I’m trying to remain positive. As for myself, yes this additional money could go a long way towards many things.
Stella, Ben and/or others, Please prove me wrong. Shut me up! I’d appreciate you doing so. We all have a few questions that you could easily answered. Instead of further elusive, non-informational statements, tell us something..
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd February 2008 @ 3:09 am
Salt,
I mean not to provide drama. I’m only asking if a question or two could be ansered by Stella. Surely even you must have taken note of this, non caring for her/their members.
Are you concerned about this non comunication?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd February 2008 @ 3:24 am
It is a while since I last posted a comment on this blog… however, I continue to monitor the postings – and personally, I am disgusted that this forum has denigrated into a “mud slinging”, repetitive, inane platform of postings, which is not achieving anything of substance… particularly from “mikecheck” who is bloating matters out of complete proportion with his “hot air balloons” of rantings. And also that of Ben… are you a member? or just expressing opinions, a “perceived pessimistic view”. You are yet to be proved right or wrong… don’t be a party pooper. You may yet have your day in due course.
Folks, if you are in the programme, just be patient, it is now a “waiting game”. There is nothing any one can do, but just “sit pat” and wait for matters to unfold. All the ranting and ravings will only fill up empty space and serve as an outlet to air one’s frustrations.
Remember, you joined the programme voluntary, whether “gifted” or otherwise. What do you really have to loose… only the amount you or someone else “invested” in your future, not the amount of your potential accumulated end benefit. You took a chance, just as one does when purchasing other opportunities of chance in the hope that that elusive financial windfall would come to you. The odds are always stacked against us… but we continue to invest, don’t we?
And YES! we are all frustrated and understandably angry that GPP Trust Partners have failed to deliver on specific targets and other matters associated with closure and fulfillment of the programme… but for all we know, it maybe for genuine reasons… we can only wait and see. Cynical assumptions, bridled with skeptizm, are just that.
The very best thing you can do in this world of negativity in which we live, is not let ourselves be pulled into the black hole of despair, but rather keep pulling people back to reality and telling them to focus instead of what they want, because our thoughts are very powerful and the more we think negative thoughts, the more we will attract negative outcomes. It seems like pretty simple math to me…You can choose to think positively about what YOU want and receive it, or you can choose to think negatively and continue to live in an ongoing world of negativity, fear and loss. This change of mind is instantaneous.
In closing, mikecheck and Ben, in particular, please do us all a favor, and contain your thoughts to a more positive attitude… you have aired your opinions adequately to express your own opinions and frustrations in and about the GPP programme.
No one from GPP will respond in this forum (and why should they?).
It was clearly stated to existing members in the GPP Forum, that all information concerning the programme, would be posted in the Members Forum. So if you don’t want to see the programme out, buttout, shutup, and allow those who remain positive to see the programme through to the end… the future is yet to unfold and hopefully prove to be bountiful to the faithful positive members.
Remember… Never give up in the face of extreme adversity… that is what has won wars for free countries… “fulfillment of dreams do oft come true”.
Comment by Ocka — 22nd February 2008 @ 5:30 am
Hi Ocka,
Thank you for your positive input.
There is much thought for food contained in your posting and a pleasure to read something from an inteligent felow human being for a change!
Please everyone, stop the negative postings. We who believe in a positive outcome for GPP don’t want to hear your sobbing.
MIKE CHECK, stop being so emotional and PLEASE shorten your ramblings. It is SO FRUSTRATING to have to struggle through such lengthy negative minefields that you create!!
Comment by JLL — 22nd February 2008 @ 6:32 am
Ocka
Well said, I couldnt agree with you more!
Comment by AB — 22nd February 2008 @ 7:43 am
Although I’m really done up by reading all the “toilet paper postings” I have to say:
At first I’m glad to see that the tone is getting more civilized and Ocka!!!
I couldn’t agree with you more!
I’ve tried to express that (much shorter) before and capitulated after two or three postings.
Maybe my english was too bad 😉
And again: I really hope that joyment of life for you all doesn’t depend on huge sums of GPP-money!
But: I’ll spend my weekend in switzerland and I will clean out my swiss bank account…you never can tell 😉
So remember what they told us!
Don’t forget to press the member button again and again even it’s not “activ” maybe it helps…
Ich drück alle Daumen!
Comment by Socke — 22nd February 2008 @ 8:43 am
Salt!
especially for you…have a nice weekend and:
I like your english and your grammar… 😉
Comment by Socke — 22nd February 2008 @ 8:59 am
Hello
Well seems like this is a big discussion,whitout any solution,since nobody knows her right name,phone,adress os anything how can you get hold of her in this way
But when the patience is gone there is another solution,and we will catch her and make her forfill her commitments in one way or another,that is for sure
We only use our contacts around the world in some special environments and we will be in touch with theese people ,but for now and for a little bit of time we must wait and see
Comment by dina — 22nd February 2008 @ 12:35 pm
Ocka wrote:
“In closing, mikecheck and Ben, in particular, please do us all a favor, and contain your thoughts to a more positive attitude”
Ocka, I think you’ll agree that I have been very fair in allowing a range of varied opinions to be posted on this blog. I have only censored 2 posts, both of which were personal attacks that had no place here.
I also had to edit a post which contained referral links to a very dubious looking “investment” program.
Looking back over your posts I can see that I have let a lot of blatant promotion remain on the post, especially of GPP.
My own personal opinion of GPP is it nothing more than a clever money-grabbing con. I have tried to stop people wasting money and time by joining it – hopefully I have saved some people from losing money.
You, on the other hand, have promoted this “program” for many months now and, from the look of your website, you are still promoting it.
That’s fine, it’s your reputation after all.
However, if you want this blog post to remain fair then you must accept that myself, MikeCheck and others will continue to express our opinion which is a polar opposite opinion to yours.
As far as I am concerned, there was never anything positive to say about the Global Pension Plan. It was always extremely far-fetched and is almost certainly illegal in many countries (including the UK).
Comment by Ben — 22nd February 2008 @ 1:26 pm
Okka,
One point that I was trying to make is to possible new members. I do not want others to get into this until payout. At this point, they’d receive no benefit, right? Who think’s that it makes sense for others to get into a closed program?
GPP won’t responding, or taking the easyway out and not repond?
I’ll respond later with positive notes on the program.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:21 pm
Wel thanks Ben for having us on this forum, because most websites like GPP act somewhat like Hitlr and Mussoli, Fidel just stopped it 🙂 you know what I mean, but if one looks closely at this forum it is abused quite a bit, really sad! We all know who abuses this forum as if it belongs to them alone, talking mostly unintelligent crap, lines and lines and lines, need I name them? AND ONE PARTICULAR GUY JUST DOES NOT GET THE MESSAGE… nothing to do with freedom of speech, this is writing, good writing is concise and genius is simlicity itself!
We all know that Stella and Co act utterly unprofessional, their lack of communication leaves much to be desired, but strangely some of that brand of humans are doing damn good business, did you see those products that are advertised in bad English, but work well! So maybe just wait a bit, there could be a surprise very soon, so hold your horses, but if they would try to pull a fast one on us, they know they will meet the full force of 100K + ingenious humans, count me in!!!!!
Comment by extan — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:25 pm
interesting, I tried to paste in here the last entry in GPP that Stella wrote, seems to be rejected by the moderator??????
Comment by extan — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:38 pm
tried 3 times, no luck so Ben boycots GPP!
Comment by monster — 22nd February 2008 @ 2:43 pm
What does the last entry in GPP by Stella say?
Comment by Gabriel — 22nd February 2008 @ 3:05 pm
“tried 3 times, no luck so Ben boycots GPP!”
Heh – I realise it looks that way but it isn’t true, honest!
I haven’t had any comments come through so there must be a word in the post that is in the “blacklist”. Certain words used by comment spammers are blacklisted and result in the comment being deleted.
If you email me the post (ben @ bencatt.com) I will post it up here for you (and also find out why it isn’t being posted).
Thanks
Comment by Ben — 22nd February 2008 @ 4:32 pm
Hi,
Can anybgody give me a clue why I cannot login to the GPP site from home, while it’s smooth sailing from my office – located in the same town? Something to do with IPnrs, cookies??
Thanks
Juan
Comment by Juan — 22nd February 2008 @ 7:22 pm
The GPP post (thanks to Blade!):
Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 9:58 pm
Post subject: Active Member-button
“Dear Member,
If the Active Member-button still exists in your profile even after clicking it, please worry not!
There is no need to click the button anymore, not for the already existing members nor the new members who might sign up from now on until the closure of the program. This means that you can click it if you so feel, but you don’t have to!
If there isn’t an Active Member-button in your profile, don’t worry about that either! You have most probably clicked it already!
Thank you!
Regards,
Stella”
Comment by Ben — 22nd February 2008 @ 10:14 pm
…….almost certainly illegal in many countries (including the UK). Hi Ben could you tell what laws the plan violates … i am not disputing what you say just would like to know so i can check up for my own protection
Comment by curious to know — 22nd February 2008 @ 11:14 pm
Is it true 1 out of 10 of these RPP’s are real?
Now to determine if GPP is the real one or perhaps It’s World Pension Plus?
???
Comment by rocket — 23rd February 2008 @ 12:05 am
“Hi Ben could you tell what laws the plan violates”
Sure, but first:
We’re all adults here – and you know I’m no solicitor or accountant or policeman or whatever… What I am trying to say here is that this is my take on the GPP scheme from research…
** IT IS NOT THE GOSPEL TRUTH ACCORDING TO SOME HIGHER POWER **
First of all, I believe that GPP is a multi-level marketing plan. It has to adhere to certain regulations in the UK which it does not.
Secondly, it should be registered with the Financial Services Authority in the UK and it certainly IS NOT!
Thirdly, it shares several characteristics with point 30 of this report from the Serious Fraud Office:
Combating Prime Bank and High-Yield Investment Fraud
I don’t knock this ‘program’ for fun. I wrote the initial report and encouraged comments on this blog in the hope that it would stop people from wasting their money on GPP.
I sincerely hope that people don’t just blindly send off their ID to these strangers.
Comment by Ben — 23rd February 2008 @ 12:08 am
Hi Mike ch!Yes your right that comunication doesn’t work and makes people nervous and i understand too that other people still positive,every body should ask for info or any important’agreemend mather’ to some one professional,after you know every detail,you! only you will or not take the change or take the scam,whe are adults here,am i right?The IDcopies?if you trust like that without any info from them,that’s your risk and your family members too.I wan’t too that they will paid us like any one here,allso don’t understand that silence.Mike,Stella don’t read here,she has not time about it that’s for sure,that’s why no one even ask for her here!.To socke!thanks for the coment,trying here to make my self understandable =)) and regards to you!.And for every body in here,have a nice weekend and i hope at last,that my gramma makes you SMILE! =))
Comment by Salt — 23rd February 2008 @ 12:46 am
Ocka, JLL, AB, Socke & Salt,
You are all concerned with the fact that I have posted negative postings involving GPP. Well, can any of you tell me what positive you have to say about the program? I mean, you are all so especially positive on the program. If you could, please tell me, no tell us, why anyone should believe in this scam? I mean, like the only responses that I have been provided come to some vague reason why we should remain positive and not negative! Someone, anyone, please tell me why we should belive in this program other than this nonsense of blind faith in a company that aparently is attempting to illude us all.
Might I alo ask, why the use of several servers, no address, no communication, and goodness sake, no website! Now that’s one for the books! This site provides safety for the money which we have invested huh? The site CANNOT even stay open! What’s the deal there? The programers have hit the road? Someone said that I was being unprofessional. On a note of professionalism, which make a true difference to us all, is why the non professional website? WHAT is this nonsense of telling us not to worry if the site does not work properly? So, we’ve already pressed this button. That is a SAD excuse to say that the site is not working. I’ll not laugh, as this is not funny. This again, is not negativity. Sounds like fact to me.
O.K., a negative post again, as would be said. This is not negative. I’ve mearly stated facts! I’ve posed several questions to Stella and Co. NOT ONE HAS BEEN ANSWERED, and no one else can provide answer! Again NOT ONE HAS BEEN ANSWERED!!!!!!!!!
Ocka,
You stated that I am only filling empty space… Well, the space is empty. Let’s fill it up! You asked what do we have to loose. I’d say something like our money? This quest of mine, is also to prevent this from happening to to others.
You also made mention as to the fact that Stella does not read these posts. Well on Feb 1st. it seems like she did to me…
Oh, by the way, you also asked, why would GPP answer anyone in this forum… Now how would you know that? Hmmm… Well if Stella reads these post’s, and I’m sure that she does, why not answer? I tend to think that it’s not that she can’t. I think it that she won’t. Why you ask? Because she has NO answer that will provide a positive, should I say true response. After all, she posted something on Feb 1st didn’t she?
You asked me, I don’t want to see the end of the program, get out! I believe that is what you said… Now tell me, even if I wanted to get out, how could I do that? Yes, how would I get those dollars back? Quite honestly, I’d trully be interested to know. I’m sure that others would also like to know… Not that we’d actually do it.
I’d like to ask, you all;
1) Do you belive that GPP should continue to accept contracts?
2) Do you believe that this will contine into March? Please don’t provide a lame answer like “we are working on a solution” or “it will take time to process all of these contracts” – You hear that Stella?
I’d really like to know your thoughts on those. In fact I’m sure that everyone would. I’m not calling anyone out. I’m just curious.
My friends, I’m not talking about my money. As I’ve mentioned before, I’m talking about other’s new money that might come into the program.
Ocka, JLL, AB, Socke & Salt, wouldn’t you all agree with me, that no more contracts should be taken until this has paid out?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 5:11 am
Members.
I meant to mention some positive facts about this program… Hmmm, well, Um…. Well, you’ve got me!
That was just a bit of humor…
Seriously, some positive facts, I’ve learned of this program are more like positive lessions;
If it is too good to be true, it probably is.
Questionable practices, provides questionalbe results (have’t seen any yet).
Base your dealings with companies on past performance. For example, if you are going to have a wood floor lain in your house, you’d try to find someone with a good reputation.
Not bad positive notes I’d say…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 5:34 am
Hi Mike!Honestly,i’m not the perfect one to ask your questions,you see,i never paid for one pension,i got it from a gift from a friend who really believe so much,that’s why i have to be kind to my friend and get information to her,maybe opens her eyes more,but adult she is,so i can’t push any one.Mike,i meen that a good fihter have to stay focus and don’t loose a nerve,you will think better and clearly.Y agree that the agreemend sucs,it is not legal in my country,allso many other thinks don’t look quite nice endeed.I have curiosity what next will happen?what people gonna do?can whe do something about it?is there a internacional business law who take care about same cases of scam ‘If’ that is one?,by the way,why all people think that Stella is from Finland?the interwie of moneymakers perhaps?you can’t believe every thing you read people,why when i read from this country never find a word about it,but of course the financial press tells us about a scam?to many questions and no answers.I just read and wait and get informed,more i can’t do,i have kids to take care and never people should bring home, money stress to kids.And positive facts,perhaps learn to be more carefull with any thing and allways get informed before a get in any business and make sure my kids too.More countracts?NO WAY,first they have to paid out,that’s my opinion…Have a nice weekend MikeM. and all of you!! =)
Comment by Salt — 23rd February 2008 @ 7:39 am
BB and some goverments and financial strongmen do not want us to have lots of money, because then they can’t manipulate us and suck us dry! It is common knowledge that the rich take from the poor, the rich pay less tax, get lots of perks, etc. the poor just suffer, but have good friends and smile: they can only get richer!
If you accept this as a basic truth, then you know how GPP functions, but whatever you think, we have lots of power in our numbers and GPP knows it. I think in terms of psychology and if you read between the lines, Stella and Co. are still with us and they certainly have some compassion, lets not kill it, a few more weeks… so what, the end result counts!
MikeCheck you keep repeating yourself, Stella will not answer your letters, maybe rather get your nappy (or diaper if American) on, because you act like a selfish\ignorant child!!!
Comment by extan — 23rd February 2008 @ 8:58 am
MikeCheck… Clearly I have made my position quite clear. Your further postings only confirm my previous comments regarding your repetitive and mundane postings. As I stated previously… all matters pertaining to the GPP programme – will be posted in the Membership Forum… the correct place to do so.
You can continue to air hypothetical questions in this blog… but nothing will come out it… except to release your frustrations and continue to create negativity. We all have concerns about certain elements associated with the programme, but hey! it was own individual choice, or someone of good intention, that we are now involved… and again, it is an individual choice to commit to further involvement.
I have made it quite clear on my website, that at best, “it is an element of risk opportunity” and prior to joining, every effort should be made to do ones own due diligence. And prior to enrolling a new member, again, I stress that point to them.
Those of us who have made a commitment to be involved… all that can be asked, “is to be patient, keep calm” “sit pat” and wait… all will be revealed in due course… and hopefully, it will all be positive.
And those of you who are not committed to the programme… please, please, donot continue to post disparaging comments… for all you know, you may yet be proved wrong. Assumptions are but Assumptions, and can only be viewed as such… whether they be based on educational, hypothetical or informed values… and until proved, one way or the other, in the due course of time, all will be revealed.
Should my judgment be proved incorrect… I will wear the “egg on my face” but I will certainly not “cry over the spilt milk”. It was my choice to accept the risk factor… I stand to loose many $$$$$’s because of my generosity to gift members of my family, friends and those were less fortunate than myself, or who had done me a good turn, or who I considered needed financial support… and I am only an Aged Pensioner. More fool you, you might say… Yes! I am an entrepreneur with a huge, but humble heart filled with compassion to give… but it was my choice.
Never despair folks… dreams do oft come true… and so until the “dead horse takes it’s final breath” remain positive. Remember, Churchill faced impossible odds on all fronts, with extreme negativity from within his own country and Parliament – did he give in? And had he done so, would our world be as it is today?
Comment by ocka — 23rd February 2008 @ 9:26 am
Hello all of you
If everybody are sure this is a scam,then the solution is easy if you really want to do something about it
with our contacts inside different money transfer companies like WU and so on ,it is easy to find who has picked up money sent to GPP and if they are to confront some of our people,they will for sure lead us to the people behind this system
They will have no ther option,seriously I konw this from earlier experience in this matters
As the choosen guys stand in front of the person nicknamed Stella,she will find money to pay out
there will be no other option,so just wait for another 2 or 3 weeks and if they do not deliever ,we will of course make them deliever in our way
Comment by dina — 23rd February 2008 @ 1:10 pm
[Edit by Ben: Warning, this post contains a link to MMG – a board that is well known for allowing the promotion of various so-called “investment” schemes. Please be careful if you decide to follow the link]
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Global-Pension-Plan-www-t37583.html&st=4995 – I found this comments site and I have to say they sound worse than us, with getting nasty toward each other and I feel terrible of some comments that I myself have made and that of others. Even ones to Stella because unless she totally disappears we have nothing to really worry about.
Have a read and you will feel just like I did. Sad.
Good news maybe just around the corner.
Lets keep faith and hope. Keep on helping each other with info, we are all hoping for the same thing. Cheers!!!
Comment by SM — 23rd February 2008 @ 1:42 pm
Here are the facts.
1. The sun rises in the east and sets in the west
2. What goes up must eventually come down
3. I love my children
4. We don’t know if GPP is going to payout. All we can do is hope
against what seems logical
5. MikeCheck will disregard what everyone is saying and post a long
repetitive rambling
Man oh man!!!
Comment by Gabriel — 23rd February 2008 @ 2:25 pm
I guess for me, it’s not the negativity. Negative or positive. Who wants to read the same thing over and over again?
Comment by Gabriel — 23rd February 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Ha Ha Ha Ha… You have got to be kidding!!!… I mean you have really got to be kidding! Now, I wasn’t sure that there could have been some affiliation with some members receiving benefits from this program. Have I been provided with an answer?
Extan,
Now could you tell me just why these governments, financial strongmen, and Bogy men, don’t want us to make money? Now that is a good one….
Well Extan, I really cannot accept unknown function of GPP as a basic truth. If GPP has so much power why be concerned with others? Why must we read between the lines when a statement from Stella, or anyone with real info can SO easily provide it?
I’ll agree100% with you however that the end result is all that matters! Stella won’t answer huh? You know of a site where i can ask this question to her? Perhaps something other than that inoperative website?
Wearing a diaper, being selfish, you saying that I’m ignorant! Well all of that sounds pretty ignorant to me. Sounds like someone is getting angry. I’ll not even participate in mud slinging.
Ocka,
I appreciate the acknowledgement of my position. Ok. hypothetical questions… Funny… Not one of them sounds hyothetical to me… Not one! These are clearly based upon fact, which can easily be asked and seen. Hypothetical means, WHAT IF. What I’ve noted is quite clear and apparent.
If my coments seem disparaging, I’m sorry. I do not mean for my words to seem that way. I’ll attempt to correct that… Indeed if your judgement is incorrect, there will be no need to wear egg on your face. I too, know others that have lost quite a bit of money (I mean to say who have invested lots of money), involving others in this program. Yes the intent there is there to provide benfit to others. A very worthy and compassionate jesture.
Could you help me in understanding something… Most of us realized some risk. Many have stayed calm whether afraid to think otherwise or not. That is O.K. As for us with concerns however, why are they not addressed? How much hope, how much time, should members be expected to wait? March is quickly approaching for a deal that should have been completed back in November or earlier! Indeed, that’s not an assuption but a fact.
Yes, dreams do come true. I too hope that this program will benefit us all! Now why must this horse be almost dead? We did not enter this program to run a race on a practically dead horse. Also, why must our odds be impossible. Beforehand they sounded pretty good…
All,
As said before, what is done is done. I’m remaining hopeful, and waiting on a positive result. I’m simply saying, yes, once again, that others should not be joining this program until the payout comes. We all agree with that right? Extan, Ocka, wouldn’t you agree?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 5:41 pm
hi Dina,
I hear what you say, maybe soon we need more of your kind, hope you have sharp teeth and awesome fingernails 🙂 … do including my girlfriend JLL and myself! I hope GPP will take serious note and pay out unless they are THICK like MC.
Someone from GPP seems to read this forum, but will not publish or answer letters here, so maybe be friendly and support their endeavour coupled with measured warnings, that surely will help if we all support a practical strategy.
And Gabriel rightly predicted, man o man o man:
5. MikeCheck will disregard what everyone is saying and post a long
repetitive rambling
the next one will surely come, man o man o man!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for progessive thoughts that bring resuts!
Comment by extan — 23rd February 2008 @ 7:54 pm
OK Extan, I saw this from a totally different msg board… Makes you go hmmmm…
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I haven’t said GPP is a scam.
I HAVE said that Chicosan is a fraud. Perhaps that leads some to believe that what he says about GPP and Stella.has not been 100%
However, the members are in a precarious position, in that , sending multiple payments from their accounts to several differing recipients in eastern Europe or Africa, could be seen as an attempt to hide money-laundering activities, and, as you know, the name you put on those payments had nothing to do with Stella. The traceable part only comes back to you.
Both Chicosan and Stella are well-aware of the AML laws, which is why Chicosan pretends to not notice what I wrote about them, and has no response. I dare say, this was a purposeful act, to leave the members holding the bag should anything happen.
Stella has covered her own butt, by not allowing you to have her name, address or any information that can actually tie her to the movement of over $5,000,000.
Now, since the first trust partners disappeared, she had to go to Kuala Lumpur to find more? Do you think they’d be that hard to find if TEP’s are traded regularly in the UK, as they are?
I apologize if you find my posts tedious, but life isn’t all sweetness and light. It’s sometimes dark and rotten. I’m tired of reading Chicosan’s obnoxious non-answers and outright bullying to serious and well-thought out questions. If the police turn up at your door to question you about your money-laundering cartel, with your GPP check in their hands, then that will be a dark and rotten day for you. Won’t it?
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Can another non anwer also be presented to this forum?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 8:13 pm
[Edit by Ben: Warning, this post contains a link to MMG – a board that is well known for allowing the promotion of various so-called “investment” schemes. Please be careful if you decide to follow the link]
My friends,
I am very sad to find that the board I reffered to just now has somewhat confirmed the status of scam. Very sad about this.
You know I refferenced the continual additional members coming in. Also no answer? I saw that this was asked there. The answer…. it was you know “answered but not answered” as usual.
As I am such a trouble maker, please view this forum, starting around Feb 14 – 20th. Very sad how these same members on this board have played us as they attempted on the other.
Members,
This is why I ask that no further monies be sent. Please provide them with no further benefit. They should not need these small contracts, especially since they should be focusing on these millions that should be “paid out” in the next couple of days… Wait a minute, I said that in early February. Guess I’m supposed to say a couple of months from now, right?
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Global-Pension-Plan-www-t37583.html&st=4890
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 8:54 pm
The whole of these reverse pension scams are based upon a fallacy that such policies can be traded profitably. This is not so, as any insurance professional will tell you. Also, the myth that such highly profitable trades take place regularly amongst the wealthy is just that, a myth.
Without wishing to denigrate those who have already donated to the cause, apart from the loss of a few Euros, the main problem is that you are contributing to a crime. This applies very much to those who promote such schemes, probably with the best possible intentions, but it does make them undeniably an accessory.
Much talk is made of due diligence – but it is not possible to perform due diligence on a company that has no address, no telephone or fax and whose sole means of communication is through an ethereal person by the name of Stella operating through an anonymous E-Mail address.
Comment by Owen Platt — 23rd February 2008 @ 9:03 pm
Owen,
Well said. Are you aware of any platforms that we could use to tear down this scam?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd February 2008 @ 9:08 pm
We are so close to the end of the month. Let’s just step back, take a deep breath and wait. Soon we will know whether this is indeed a scam (though the evidence seems to point that way), or a really novel way of making money (transfer of wealth). March will soon arrive and then we will either have an answer, or some wonderfully worded reason for the “month-to-month” phrase of a previous posting.
Comment by downhomeguy — 23rd February 2008 @ 10:37 pm
440. “The whole of these reverse pension scams are based upon a fallacy that such policies can be traded profitably.”
there is profitable ways with tep’s, one example:
http://www.policyplus.com/index.php
or its a scam also? please discuss about it, instead of bringing out the same and same again
Comment by monica — 23rd February 2008 @ 10:41 pm
You can ignore all of the intracacies of the policies and how they are traded. All of that whether true or false is simply diversion by detail. Yes you can buy endowment/annuity policies. Yes, you can sell endowment/annutity policies. None of that matters. The fundamental flaw in all of these RPP deals is that you can never sell any of these policies for more than they are worth at a given point in time since it makes no sense for anyone to buy them on that basis.
It’s very simple. GPP’s deal boils down to their buying a policy for 41,000 and then immediately, with no corresponding increase in the value of the policy, selling it to another party for 120,000. None of the surrounding detail matters. It’s not a question of some new and different type of policy, or how TEP markets work, or who is buying/selling the policies. It all hinges simply on some party buying the policy for 3 times what it’s worth and that’s obviously not going to happen. If you can’t do that then there’s no funding for the remaining aspects of the deal.
Comment by JH — 23rd February 2008 @ 11:27 pm
MikeCheck…SHUUUUUUSH UP… clearly you like to hear your own voice expunging your repetitive, repetitive, repetitive opinions, opinions,opinions (sorry there must be an echo there) But are you absolutely sure you are correct. None of us know for sure, one way or the other, assumptions are flying like blowflies off a disturbed dead carcase.
You mentioned that you are a member of GPP – well then WHY did you join. Apply the virtue of patience, that is all that you should do at this stage, and endeavor to apply a positive attitude – like attitudes attract the “Power of Attraction” principle.
OH! there is one other thing… SHUUUUUUSH UP… (there’s that echo again) unless you have something really, really positive to contribute, not repetitive bleetings. We all share your concerns! But there is nothing we can do… but wait patiently.
Dina… we all welcome your input, it is people like you and your organization that we now need to inquire and ascertain relevant information about the principals of GPP… and expose who are the participants of their organized structure and truth in substance of the validity of the programme. Your posting is of relevant substance.
From now on, it is up to those of you out there who have qualified experience in IT, and other areas of knowledge associated with policing, to source and correlate as much knowledge as is possible about the Trust Partners, who they are, their location, where the members money is being sent to, and every aspect of the GPP programme that can be delved into… just in case it is needed to flush out the participants. That would be a worthwhile activity for “mikecheck” – but keep it to yourself, until needed.
This is my last posting… I bow out… my energies are better placed in other areas of internet marketing… Wishing you all positive feelings and success for the future. For those you may wish to contact me, my email address is on my web page… click on the link below.
Comment by Ocka — 23rd February 2008 @ 11:39 pm
Hi Everyone,
The huge volume of comments on this post caused issues with the database earlier today so I have archived the first 100 comments on the main site:
http://www.bizoppsuk.com/gpp_comments.php
Thanks,
Ben
Comment by Ben — 24th February 2008 @ 12:48 am
Ocka,
I believe that if one were to walk ouside of a cave, for the most part, that echo could be reduced substancially.
For the benefit of others, let me note, what I have been presenting to others are questions. These being for others edification. These are not opinions of my own (generally). Why do you continue to say that these are mearly my negative ramblings?
Alright, no opinions anymore. How about some last words. Nothing positive or negative. If this is construed as such, then it’s your call… These are not even questions.
1) location of business
2) Website information
3) Address
4) New members benefit
5) Closed program?
6) Accepting new money
7) Time for payout is…..
8) GPP internet bank names and reputations…
9) LAST name of POCs (ex:Stella)
10) Banking solution
I could go on and on. I will not however. In fact, I’ll sit to the side for a moment or two, as not to counter Ocka by asking further questions that he won’t answer.
I will take note of what you said about the collection of information and compiling it in order to flush out any wrong doers, dealing with the misappropration or our monies! I’m down with you on that! But, I thought of this… At what point would I/we determine when this information would be needed? Also, why do we once again need secrecy, as was called for in the beginning of the program? Wouldn’t it be beneficial for everyone to know? —
Need for more contracts? I just must ask this one last time. Just a question, not an attack…
Might I also add that you do indeed have a very informative website… Pretty good marketing techniques used too… I’ll consider using such techniques if I consider actually selling something online. I’m serious in this respect, I might even say good job.
You might want to consider updating your site under “What Are The Eligibility Rules And Benefits Of Becoming A Member?”. The site states “The Trust Fund Manager, has now advised, that the final process for members to provide formal identification will now be conducted during the month of January, 2008”. You might want to update that date…
Ocka,
I would like to say to you, that there is no need for me to run you away. As I mentioned earlier, I can see that looking out for my fellow man is not being appreciated by many. Or is it that it’s many names that are one?!
Tell you what, unless someone asks me a question, I’ll not say anything. If I do, it won’t be anything beyond two sentences (until March).
So everyone as noted in Ockas website, MARCH IS THE MONTH!!! We’ll take this as your word. We all know that your word is your bond!
If I’ve not frightened you off, I’ll see you, and everyone else in March.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 24th February 2008 @ 1:38 am
MikeCheck…
POST ON BROTHER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sing it again again and again.
You have fans!
Comment by Busting Gut — 24th February 2008 @ 3:33 am
Man oh man!!! Can I call it or can I call it. MikeCheck strikes again!! Yet another long meandering rambling. What else is new? This is just unbelieveable!!! You would think a guy could take a hint. Instead his post have gotten even longer. Incredible!! Man oh man!!
Comment by Gabriel — 24th February 2008 @ 4:18 am
Ocka
What is the name of your web site ? I would like to take a look at what Mike is talking about.
Comment by AB — 24th February 2008 @ 4:41 am
Can someone please provide me with an email address and/or telephone number wher I can contact Stella at?
Comment by Tillie — 24th February 2008 @ 5:58 am
Monica – I should have prefaced my comments by saying that I was an international investment banker for many years. I now am a writer and have written two books on investment fraud, Just Numbers on a Screen, the Pips story, and One Big Fib, now being used as a basis for a TV programme by Kurtis Productions, airing on CNBC on the 26th. of March.
My interest in GPP and these so-called Reverse Pension Plans was due to my having been retained as a consultant to advise a group who had, unfortunately. already donated.
There is absolutely no substance in the claim that these ‘policies’ can be traded. You posted a link, I assume as proof that such things are possible, but clearly failed to read that: ‘In order to sell your policy, it must be a traditional with profits endowment with a surrender value of at least £2,000 and have run at least five years.’
These sort of scams have been around for years in different forms, playing upon the ignorance of the general public in financial matters. An example was the ‘bank debentures’ touted by scamsters for many years.
Reverse Pension Plans are just an updated example designed to separate the unwary from their cash.
Comment by Owen Platt — 24th February 2008 @ 7:17 am
Ben
it stands to reason if you also archive MikeChecks loooooooong mundane ramblings then this site will look much more balancd, some really good postings lately and more participants taking part and MC lovers could view your archive :-).
maybe now we should wait a bit and as was said prepare for any occasion and let GPP know they cannot easily run away.
Comment by extan — 24th February 2008 @ 8:28 am
Found this comment in Judes blog, shes against and this guy has a version. Jude,
I read your comments on why Global Pension Plan would not work, pasted below for your reference. I have the following comments and would appreciate your feedback on my understanding:
If you home is fully paid and has an equity of say 300,000, bank would lend you say, 60% on it using the “reverse†mortgage which enables you to draw cash out of your home equity without having to pay monthly payment for the loan. I assume that the monthly payment comes out of the remaining equity in your home over a certain period of time. Consequently, eventually, your entire equity will be eaten away over a period of time, whereby, you will not own the house but the banker will. If you are exiting at the age of 90 or so, this should be okay as long as your next to kin dont object!
Let us say now instead of the home, you have a paid up endowment insurance policy and it has an asset value of $300,000, meaning that upon your death, your next of kin would receive the face value of the policy. If you however, went to a bank and asked to borrow money against it, I understand that the bank would recognize the equity and loan you money at say, 60% of the value in the form of a reverse mortgage. This means there will be no monthly payments but the deemed payments would come out of the remaining equity in the policy until the policy has no value to you. The bank will eventually own the whole policy with its full value or partial value depending on time elapsed, which the bank would realize upon your death since through the process of the reverse mortgage you have assigned the policy to the bank as a progressively reducing collateral. The bank could also sell the policy as a negotiable security in the open market at a discount to realize partial liquidity.
So as I understand it, between the bank and the insurance company, Global Pension Plan appears to have created this ingenious program, whereby:
Each member could purchase an endowment life insurance policy with a maturity value of 300,000.
Through his/her signature or promisory note, enable the bank to create a reverse mortgage on the policy at 60% of the face value of the insurance. In this case the loan value would be 300,000 x60% =180,000.
Part of the loan would go to pay off the insurance premiums which could be say, 80,000, thereby making it a fully paid up policy with a full face value of 300,000.
The insurance policy would be assigned to the bank in the form of a progressively reducing collateral without the member having to make any monthly payments.
The insurance company would instantly benefit by receiving say, 80,000 x 100,000 members = 8 billion.
The bank could realize the value of the insurance policy as each member passes on less the loan amount to be repaid on the outstanding loan. This too would be in billions.
Consequently, for each member to receive the $79,000 for ages 28 to 66 or $154,000 for ages 1 to 28 is not unreasonable. The commissions of 3000 per referral paid out are also quite palatable from the loan. The signature of the member on the promissory note should be quite safe as each member has assigned the insurance policy (not his house) as a collateral.
The whole process is nothing more than what the banks do to create loans using individual signatures on promissory notes as well as Mortgage backed securities. This is normal banking business done in billions every day and approved legally by the legislatures!!
The only difference is that instead of a mortgage on a real property, it is done on the value of the insurance which too has real monetory value.
Theres more so check out the rest in judes comment page. I cut it down, some of you may have read it already, Its long but hopefully helpful. Sammy
Comment by SM — 24th February 2008 @ 9:00 am
Unfortunately Sammy, that is not so. It is NOT ‘normal banking business done in billions every day’ as any banker will tell you. It is the sort of hogwash designed to promote these scams and delude the ignorant into thinking that 35 euros will bring them unearned riches.
Comment by Owen Platt — 24th February 2008 @ 9:32 am
hi,
Brad Edwards seems to be one of the founders of GPP, his GPP site ends in .tk that should be an island north of Samoa, but one can fool the public where you are or just take the plane to Timbaktu and say its .tk 🙂 . But that guy actually has a video on U-Tube and he speaks directly to you, so just save the picture. Wonder why Stella does not have a video, is she ugly or what.
Good luck!!!
Comment by sleuth2800 — 24th February 2008 @ 9:43 am
Busting – I appreciate that! I may have to do that!
Gabriel,
Why don’ you call the next time the closing will be extended. See if you can beat this one… My call is that it wont be Feb!
Ownen,
Yes, I have seen you on other msgbboards… I may grab a copy.
Extan,
Ha HA!!! Man, come one now! This is yet another instances of extreme amusement! He wants to archive my “ramblings”! For example 357,366, 369, and 377! Now I’m supposed to be adding only two scentence comments (if asked a question). I may hace to take Bustings advice if [presented with this nonsense.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 24th February 2008 @ 3:50 pm
Owen, your input is much appreciated. I am one who has taken a roll of the dice with GPP and hoping, without any logical reason, that something will come of it. I am not one that needs or wants blind positive utterances nor constant repetitive rantings of negativity. I am capable of seeing what everyone else sees at face value such as the lack of contact info, the lack of communication, the lack of….. So these are things that I do not need thrown in my face everytime I read this blog. Though not encouraging, I appreciate your post. I found it to be a different source of insight/information and thankfully without emotion. I am one looking for lucid input/information whether it be encouraging or not so.
Comment by Gabriel — 24th February 2008 @ 6:11 pm
Hi everyone, there is a new post on GPP-site, quite interesting but also quite long!
Comment by Blade68 — 24th February 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Thanks Gabriel. I see no reason to berate people for their decisions and I do offer my comments from experience in the financial arena. Bearers of bad news are not often appreciated, understandably I suppose.
Without wishing to be repetitious, GPP have so many red flags that it looks like Moscow on May Day!
Comment by Owen Platt — 24th February 2008 @ 6:42 pm
Sleuth,
Dot Tk is a free domain service, so it doesn’t denote where the server or owner is, unfortunately. The web is getting increasingly more anonymous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.tk
I have seen that video, and to be honest, he couldn’t sell me a darn thing.
Comment by zippy — 24th February 2008 @ 6:57 pm
if its all “totally legal and honest” so why this fear about us and our banks and our problems with them? why this fear to be investigated if everything is legal (with a sufficient documentation)?
if the payout is done, why the program could fail! the program can fail bevore the payout, not after…(?)
(questions)….!
Comment by monica — 24th February 2008 @ 7:53 pm
I haven’t been able to get on GPP for weeks…
well this is pretty much it for Feb. and there is no payout.
The scam goes on….
Mike keep posting man…. you have many many many valid points… I truly enjoy reading your post.
I’m sure Stella and the crew enjoy them too…because they are so close to the truth
Comment by Busting Gut — 24th February 2008 @ 8:00 pm
Thanks for that Blade68. I noticed that we cant or are not allowed to post or paste any of its content into general public. So I guess our site must get read. Very Interesting. Can we comment to each other – in our own words on what is posted though? Any one Know? Sammy!
Comment by SM — 25th February 2008 @ 3:14 am
SM,
Why can’t you share a segment of that post from YOUR site? Far as I know, the general public is not supposed to know about this anyway! Surely, this can be shared with the members here?
Aren’t people having problems getting into the site anyway?
Busting,
Man, you are right! I simply cannot just stop posting… Especially with what I’m finding now! My friend, I’m going to make you proud!
Stella,
I’d suggest that you make a statement to your policy holders…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th February 2008 @ 4:34 am
SM,
Man, I reread my posting. I meant, OUR site! Almost sounds as if I was calling you out. Sorry about that (Esp. as we are on the same page)!
On that note, is it possible to use a link? I’m just interested to see it. What are your thoughts on that info?
SM, again, I’m finding info that will make you proud!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th February 2008 @ 4:58 am
Are you able to get into the GPP site MC?
There is a new posting in there.
I couldn’t get in for a long time and I just kept deleting my cookies in the computer every day a couple of times a day and suddenly I got in.
As blade quoted earlier its quite long but interesting.
Comment by SM — 25th February 2008 @ 6:03 am
my posting about that .tk posting was first removed out of this blog and then re-instated, it was rightly reported that this .tk was probably used from another physical place, see the wikipeda link. “There are reports that .tk domains have been used for publishing scams and spam.”
Anyway placing the name of the alledged GPP founder may have been wrong but be has a GPP video on U-Tube with his name thick over the screen and I have saved a copy (jpg pic) that may be of interest to Interpol to squeeze him out should GPP not pay out. QED!
Have not yet read GPP’s latest posting, may be positive after all, really hope!
Comment by sleuth2008 — 25th February 2008 @ 6:55 am
The person who runs the .tk site and Brad Edwards are two different people.
“Euken” runs the globalpensionplan.tk site. You can find more information regarding him fairly easily.
Brad Edwards site is here: http://bradedwardsdesigns.com and again more info is readily available by searching and whois.
The three sites listed in BVINC’s profile (the You Tube ID of the person posting the video) are:
http://www.TodaysPension.com
http://www.UnitedFinancialFreedom.com
http://www.Forex-EZ.com
The first links to a John Lester in Dallas TX who runs a company called Unicorp and some others that you can find by searching with the whois address and following the links from there.
The second and third are other sites run by Brad Edwards (among many others).
I’ve looked at both quite a bit at all of the above and it doesn’t appear to me that any have a direct role in GPP other than as early referral whores. Could be proven wrong about that but I don’t see it at least.
There’s another who is more interesting but I’ll wait until I have things well documented before posting.
Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 7:32 am
JH – yes, you are correct. Those people have nothing to do with the running (if that’s the right word!) of GPP. They are merely promoters.
GPP traces back to Eastern Europe and almost certainly to Russia. There was an egregious error committed by them in the early days when they were foolish enough to use Western Union and an address in Estonia in order to collect funds.
These RPP scams are primarily IT driven, i.e. the basis is a a computer script which can be replicated easily. It is unlikely that Stella even exists except as a Russian computer person.
Whether the various promoters are paid or are merely living on the promises of payment in the future, I know not.
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th February 2008 @ 8:05 am
EAT YOUR HEART OUT!!
Well I read through the last posting of GPP’s Forum and I believe my previous postings were not far off the mark, sometimes even using a different name (surely not MC!!!). During my schooltime they called me Jakkals, an Afrikaans name for you know what. Oviously in the end we need two teams and I think good work has been done! But this last posting by Stella and Team must be taken as the result of all endeavours and all those negative “ramblers” will now start crying more then ever, or they can be clever and still become GPP members or loose out, that payout may take some time and I’m satisfied about their valid circumstances and that’s the bottom line. That posting cannot be posted here, you have to read it yourself, they basically have to wait for the new banking licence to get “done”, everything else is in place, there is no way back. Of course really negative guys who will find fault anyway, so be it, well they call my family as being negative and very critical 🙂
Comment by extan — 25th February 2008 @ 11:51 am
Extan,
Who’s to say that I (the negative guy) will find fault in this statement. Perhaps someone who can access this could provide a wrap up of what this says?
You say I’d be crying. No, I would be quite happy. I don’t think that I’ve heard much about someone being sad because they have run into helpfull monies (other than those lottery winners who did not manage ther money correctly).
Might I ask who you are reffering to when you say your family? I don’t get your meaning on that.
In order to access this site, why must coockies continue to be deleted? Nothing like I’ve seen before.
O.K. what did you say about a valid circumstance about no payout?
Are you saying something like, say um… No FEBRUAURY PAYOUT? Hmmm… I’m trying to remember… Oh, Yes, yes I did say that!
March is still not here, but seeing is believeing. Couple more days, or did this message state some VALID reason why this would not happen until next month, or the month after that?
Shortly I’ll ask about the status of your banking solution. Got a new bank yet? By new I mean… NEWLY created internet bank?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th February 2008 @ 2:28 pm
Dear Mike,
If you can not log into the website of GPP, it means you are not an active member and most certainly you are not entitled to privileged information which is for GPP members only.
JL
Comment by JL — 25th February 2008 @ 3:21 pm
If I might enter a dash of commonsense here. Why would a new bank be needed? There are plenty already licensed and obtaining a licence from even the most lax of recognised jurisdictions is hardly an overnight affair.
And as all banks have to operate through one or other of the recognised clearing banks, a new bank has to operate under exactly the same rules and restrictions that apply globally.
I well remember the Pips bank……………..!
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th February 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Well as always,new info for us the priveleged members,and of course we respect the rules and do not share this highly important business information with no members
Since we are so priveleged to be members of this fantastic organisation,and will receive enough money to live happily ever after
Only one thing I have heard something like this before and ooops one got his finger chopped off by someone and then they paid
Comment by dina — 25th February 2008 @ 3:53 pm
Hi Mike,
My happy negative family: 1 brother and 2 sisters!
My girlfriend JL just told you a valid reason, even though it may sound a bit restricted.
Just imagine you receiced by some new method/good marketing a lot of money, made some mistakes and learned a lot, etc. Soon somebody will get jealous, inform the banks: “hey here is someone that wants to take our business away, lets do something about that, those bloody new rich,not having to pay bank fees, etc, boycot them” If this happens on a grand scale also because of negative and stupid reactions, what would you do, put the money under your mattress. Well the way the share market currently goes that may be a good idea, but what about your clients who each need an account. That is more or less how the cookie is crumbling and since this blogs management is basically calling GPP a scam we should protect our investment and heed to GPP’s request. Wil do!
Payout I guess maybe March or April, whatever time it takes, even if you want it yesterday, not being a member. You can still join, go for it and stop this nonsense 🙂
Comment by extan — 25th February 2008 @ 4:12 pm
sorry Owen, your reaction…. and Dina, wow! But if you read through GPPs latest posting (for me it was an eye opener, I have some shrink background/hobby) all those things are taken into account, so it will take some time.
What do you think why are there so many banks????
Take care!
Comment by extan — 25th February 2008 @ 4:31 pm
Extan – my point was why would there be a need for a new bank? What possible advantage would there be? All banks (legitimate ones anyway) have to conform to the same principles of due diligence and knowing their customer so what would be the point? And, as I said, all have to work through one or other of the major clearing banks in the world. Without such correspondent accounts, a new bank is useless.
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th February 2008 @ 4:40 pm
Owen – You’re right of course. There is no valid reason. As you say, there’s certainly no shortage of “banking solutions,” both legitmate and less than so.
They already are supposed to have a bank that’s so involved that for whatever reason it’s willing to accept a 1.2% return on billions invested.
Creating a “virtual bank” along the lines of First Oceanic as described here in post #19 above requires no “license” other than for appearances since it’s a “bank” only in name alone. As the routing for receiving payments demonstrates, such a bank actually is simply a series of obscured accounts to launder money. It will have no ability to interact with legitimate banks. You might as well print up the license yourself since no other clearing banks will do business with it. And that’s exactly what they did in the case of First Oceanic Bank. Any funds held there effectively will be “virtual funds” and useless to anyone without an equally sketchy means to move the funds to other laundered accounts.
The “banking solution” story is just another contrived detail to build confidence (as the term is used in “con game”) and to buy more time to collect more funds and to draw focus away from overwhelming evidence of a complete fraud.
Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 6:16 pm
Hi Owen,
sure it makes sense to keep to a big international bank (such as HSBC) smaller banks are gobbled up by them and they make it difficult to start a new bank, one can also buy an existing bank licence for a legitimately reason, because other shitty banks not wanting your ALLEDGED “scam” money. Then you get certain progressive countries that are not so pig headed like some European/Ami banks and all those internal problems are much easier and they can still go through the big clearing- and or local reserve- banks, obviously to make things work properly.
It has much to do with abused monetary methods or unfortunate negative/jealous reactions so that virtually nobody NEW will be ok, no matter what. The problem is also to suddenly deposit big sums into your normally lame bank account (George Bush will blow his gasket, terrorist money, grrrr!) for the same reason so it is much better to have an intermediate LEGAL bank where you can draw money to your own bank a/c at a reduced rate so they do not wet their pants.
Just try to market a NEW 100% herbal cure for cancer and see how the chemical industry will take you to court, etc. and you have to market it through a friendly counry!
Comment by extan — 25th February 2008 @ 6:32 pm
Extan’s post seems to be rationalizing the why and how of money-laundering. If the big banks are refusing to handle it, then they must see something illegitimate about the gleaning of those funds.
Comment by zippy — 25th February 2008 @ 6:46 pm
Exactly Zippy. As typical for these online investment scams, on one hand they represent all aspects as above board and legal involving established major companies, registered trusts, established banks and investment vehicles, etc., yet on the other hand they disregard all applicable laws and regulations, actively hide virtually every aspect of the program to avoid oversight by the “pesky authorities” and employ numerous means to launder money.
Sorry, it’s either one or the other. They’re either legit or not. If they are, then they’re subject to all of the requirements and disclosures that comes along with that. They can’t be both at the same time.
Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 7:24 pm
[Edit by Ben: Please be aware that this poster has the same IP address as “extan”]
JH,
you’ve obviously not read GPP’s forum and are probably not a member so i’M SO SAD YOU ARE LOSING OUT, and I’m dreaming of a lazy life, real very soon! Anyway I can’t help that so I rather do my pacman work. 🙂
Will see all the disgrunted postings on this blog as GPP gets positive!!!!!
Comment by pacman eats negeative — 25th February 2008 @ 7:25 pm
But Extan, I can assure you as an offshore banker for many years myself, one cannot BUY a bank licence. They are not for sale, unless you believe the fraudulent claims of many so-called offshore experts.
In order to be able to process deposits etc., all banks, even some quite large ones, have to work through correspondent banks such as HSBC etc. and these will not accept as correspondents, any bank that does not adhere to the internationally accepted standards of KYC and anti-money laundering regulations.
In fact, a newly licensed bank will be under much greater scrutiny from the regulatory authorities than a large and well established one.
The claim that this is a banking solution is as specious as is the rest of the gobbledygook.
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th February 2008 @ 7:34 pm
pacman, as my previous posts demonstrate I obviously have reviewed and analysed in detail GPPs claims. I can provide 20+ independently verifiable points in evidence that GPP is nothing more than a typical online investment scam. Can you post ANYTHING that can be verified showing that it is legitmate? Anything at all? And note that the generic descriptions of TEP markets on the blogs of various individuals with a vested interest in promoting this scam don’t count for any more than a similar description of stock or FOREX trading apply to any individual investment.
I’m definitely not a member and I’ll be losing nothing here because I’ve seen the same scam run in various forms many, many times before and I have enough common sense to recognize a blatant scam when I see it.
Now please enlighten all here with your extensive “due dilligence” demonstrating that this is legitmate in any way.
Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 9:56 pm
NOTE TO BEN: I’m taking the liberty of copying your standard warning here in slightly modified form to fit. Please edit as you feel necessary. (Edit by Ben: Thanks JH!)
Warning, this post contains a link to TG and MMG – boards that are well known for allowing the promotion of various so-called “investment†schemes. Please be careful if you decide to follow the links.
As an illustrative example generally and with respect to RPPs in particular, and since I know some here have invested in a number of these programs, it might be instructive to take a look at a post that I made elsewhere recently showing who’s really behind the World Pension Plus program.
http://www.talkgold.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2415222&postcount=18
Bottom line is that it’s a fraud. Rather than as it is represented on their site, it’s actually just a couple of lower-level MLM and HYIP players who set up a web site telling the same BS story to con money from people. I can assure you that the same exists in the case of GPP, just involving different somewhat higher-level players.
Comment by JH — 25th February 2008 @ 10:25 pm
this is the latest posting on the “TeamTHEMCO” site, I have tried to keep positive about GPP but this sounds like a way to cram in a lot of new contracts quickly by playing on peoples good nature. make up your own minds people!
GPP – Many ways to skin a cat – the caption introducing the launch of ‘FSCF’
When we were preparing the weekly TIME LINE FORECAST for Stella and GPP, TeamTHEMCO enjoyed a close working relationship with Stella and a number of benefits. During the early period Stella even set up an instant messaging service for us to communicate.
Since the GPP membership passed the 100K mark and the TIME LINE FORECAST no longer required, the relationship has waned naturally, with Stella wrestling with her own admin problems and the desire to bring the transaction to a successful conclusion.
Having not been blessed with children herself, Stella is motivated by the desire for GPP to succeed, so that she can donate her GPP Charity fund €1,000,000 to the various children’s causes that she has identified, as needing support.
At this stage in the transaction, having regard for what we need to achieve, we have been wracking our brains to find a way to attract Stella’s attention and gain her favour and co-operation again. We have come to the conclusion that we should appeal to her desire to raise funds for the children.
We see that we are going to need Stella’s support in connection with the presentation of the bank accounts and particularly with regard to providing a letter from the disbursement bank, to conclusively demonstrate that the funds are clean and clear and not generated from criminal activities. Without this letter, no bank will accept the funds, so this is very important that it is in the correct format.
So what we propose is a ’Friends of Stella’s Charity Fund’ (FSCF). We will administer it, maintain a ‘Roll of Donors’ and mail Stella regularly as milestones are reached, including providing updated details of the ‘Roll of Donors’. We hope that all of the TeamTHEMCO will see the benefit from supporting this fund, if only to acknowledge the tremedous effort Stella has put in on our behalf or share some of your GPP benefits with children battling with a poor start to their young lives.
We hate having to ask you to put your hands in your pockets, or purse, again, but a minimum of €20/£15 per member -Themco will absorb the costs – is a small price to pay for the benefits it is likely to yield in co-operation from Stella. Once again we will use the principle of leverage/gearing to maximise the donation by purchasing Additional Policies.
Consequently each member will effectively donate a minimum of €55,000, plus the €2,000 Loyalty Reward that Themco will contribute, giving a total of €57,000. Please feel free to donate a commensurate amount if you are expecting a substantial sum from GPP or have a number of members in your family, which many of you do. The impact should be dramatic and for a very good cause.
We will kick off the fund with €200.00 which will generate €550,000, half Stella’s original fund already. We have bounced this idea off a number of Team Leaders and the reaction has been unanimous so far. This leads us to suggest that €10 Million is a bankable, €20 Million is achieveable and with €25 Million the target. Relate this to Stella’s fund of €1 Million.
Our only concern is that we do not have much time to create an impact, so we are going to have to get our skates on. If you get the opportunity to promote it to your downline please do so, every little helps. Just direct them to this post on BLOG TeamTHEMCO and accept our thanks for your support.
The Roll of Donors will have you listed by your GPP username so the next time you mail Stella sign off with your username followed by “FSCF†i.e. ‘AA2000-FSCF’.
When we come to fill in the GPP Agreement Form, insert ‘FSCF Donor’ in the space in the Charity section, since your username can be cross referenced to your username on the Roll of Donors. This is why each member should support this initiative.
If you think you have had to work hard on this opportunity, then Stella has had to work much, much harder, so this will be an appropriate gesture of appreciation for her efforts and she will see it that way.
As the fund grows, we will approach the subject of the help we would like from her and hopefully any e-mails sent to Stella by ‘FSCF Donors’ will be treated sympathetically.
Whatever the outcome, some more kids are going to benefit.
Read the ‘Charity’ section of the website, just the last four posts re the “Bread for Kids†Charity. You will see that Stella responds to these communications. So let us get her to respond to ours. I know that we can be accused of using the Charity to create an advantage, but let’s face it, all normal forms of communication are not capturing her attention and we must get her attention at this important stage.
We hope that you see this as a tangible solution, to the many of you who have asked how to deal with filling in the question on the GPP Agreement, concerning donations to Stella’s charity, whilst at the same time making a substantial contribution for a relatively small outlay.
E-mails with pledges whilst funds are being sent would help.
February 25, 2008 Posted by teamthemco | GPP | | No Comments
Comment by Blade68 — 25th February 2008 @ 10:41 pm
The post from teamThemco is the most ridiculous thing I have ever read in my life. It sounds just like one of those Nigerian emails. Give me a break!!!
Comment by Gabriel — 26th February 2008 @ 1:16 am
Blade68,
You stole my thunder… I was going to make everyone proud to unveil this extreeme nonsense! I’ll tell you, I wouldn’t have believed it unless I saw it myself!
I mean, it like just when you think that you’ve heard it all… Well you havent! That is simply the most preposturous! Ok, Stella is doing us this great benefit (to include not anwering any ouf us save some circle talking). Please tell me how in the world do they have the gaul to ask for more money! I just have to… You know this is just too much to believe!
When I first heard about this FSCF, I said to myself that the members would simply not believe this one… I still can’t and I’m reading it again! Extan, please tell me that this is a joke! It is not funny however. Quite sad.
I contine to ask straight questions. Allow me to ask a retorical question to everyone:
1) Why would a bank, insurance provider or anyone, in effect, give money away? Let’s think about this. We are providing $40 for some entity to turn this into a Mint. Let’s see here, they will provide us a large sum of money for us to receive today that will take them 40 yrs to get back (not taking into consideration the continua devaluation of money). — In one respect this sounds like Wimpy from Popeye (an old cartoon, for those not aware). “I’ll glady pay you Tuesday for a burger today…
2) If this is such a great money maker, why haven’t others with thousands, to Millions of dollars join in such a program?
Perhaps because it does not make sense. Why wouln’t the provider just invest their own money into “Their Own” program? Surely they’d have enough sense to join such a beneficial plan!
Money must come from somewhere!
Can you say money laundering, Can you say scam? I CAN!
To say this again however…. Can you believe this FSCF? It’s hard to believe that someone would fall for this! I have no words on this one…
Extan,
Lastly, money is money. A bank does not know about where it has come from. I haven’t heard that.
You sound mighty emotional on the transferring of this money… What’s your cut?
Comment by MikeCheck — 26th February 2008 @ 1:59 am
Extan,
Did you say March or April? You really should not let those words come out of your mouth. Remember I said something about your word being your bond?
AS I SAID, February is almost over.
How about providing Owen with a response. I’ll bet that you won’t address this in your next statement.
Everyone let’s hold our breath as we wait for our amusing non answer…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 26th February 2008 @ 2:17 am
Well all that reading is making me dizzy. wow!
I have wondered something for a while and I hope its not the CASE, but, My thoughts were along the lines of:
What if gpp do pay out, and if we all have to use their banking solution, Every ones money would there for be deposited into their banking solution, and we may not know where it is based.
Wouldn’t that allow them to withdraw all that money, once they have our ID’s and signatures. One could withdraw funds with that wouldn’t you say.
JUST A THEORY!
P.S To Mike Check, I dont know what to beieve with the GPP. Im just waiting to see what happens. Still holding some hope and trusting in my leaders. As I do not believe any ones intentions with the GPP
have been deliberately misleading in any way. I myself truley belived that I was helping others by signing people up.
Not to say that I would any more though.
Comment by SM — 26th February 2008 @ 5:55 am
I don’t think you need to worry about that, SM. I hardly think the “banking solution” is possible.
First, I don’t care where you go, you must have a CV with prior experience and banking qualifications, and Stella obviously does not. Next, she will NOT be capable of setting up any corresponding relations, since these are reliant upon prior banking experience, and being squeaky clean in the business world, which Stella is not by the very fact that she has conducted this entire sham without one ounce of transparency as required by world-wide securities laws.
I could go on with many more points but suffice it to say that I have known accredited organizations, who have dotted all the right “i”s and crossed all the “t” s, to take 4 YEARS to get their licence.
Stella will not make it past the scrutiny, and should she get the Cereal box version available in some countries, it will unfortunately be unable to communicate with other banks, through whom one must be able to transfer money if it’s to get into the hands of its’ members.
You must remember that if you have an account with Stellabank, which will of course be disallowed from operating IN ANY CAPACITY in Europe or North America, and she has no corresponding relations, due to the nature of the manner in which the initial funds were collected, NO bank will be involved with money that could possibly be considered “on the way to the laundry”.
Comment by zippy — 26th February 2008 @ 6:35 am
SM – don’t think you need worry about that. There is no payout for them to steal!
Comment by Owen Platt — 26th February 2008 @ 6:55 am
Owen – Never underestimate the creativity of scammers. At this point it wouldn’t surprise me much if they drag this out long enough to see “virtual payouts” made into the “banking solution.” Of course only to have some complication that causes these funds not to be available to members. At least not for free anyway. ; )
But point taken – no real payouts in any case.
Comment by JH — 26th February 2008 @ 7:16 am
Ah yes, JH, there may be an ‘administrative fee’ involved in order to get your funds released from the Bank of Toyland.
Comment by Owen Platt — 26th February 2008 @ 7:44 am
[Edit by Ben: I don’t see any need for the level of profanity in this post so I am censoring it]
Published Without Prejudice!
Well, I have predicted all these negative letters as GPP gets serious!! I will not use names but these letters are from the biggest A******S full of dirty s**t that I have come accross, heap of scum! Sorry I can not see it any other way. You do not seem to have any sense of compassion, knowledge of human souls, can’t read between the lines, are outright malicious and do not know any claen human nature even though not perfect, just your sick set of mind.
Most of you are not even members so where is the problem, why don’t you rather preoccupy yourself with your loved ones, make a good job of it!?
What do I have to answer to anybody not being a member and breathing his last breath??
Like Oka I have decided to bow out of this s****y blog, initially I thought there was some merrit to this endeavour, but now I see it is absolutely poisonous and downright sick!! You will soon get red eyes, GPP has a good plan, we have more info to tell us that, we will also pledge a big sum for the childrens fund and plan to help other needy friends. I’m satisfied that Stella is just as sick of these negative idiots (she did not think humans can be so crappy) and has closed the lines for these people and for that to almost everyone, that’s all, she is also after a dream and she is for real.
Please note that since recently this blog eats 100 Megs of ADSL “data memory” every time because it scans in the complete document even though you write only say 3 lines, it was much better recently, so I rather download positive movies!
Bye!
Comment by extan — 26th February 2008 @ 9:21 am
Spoken like a true cheerleader.
Comment by Owen Platt — 26th February 2008 @ 10:59 am
Well, Extan , you have a rather foul-mouth for a lady, and I really fail to see anything here which deserves such a tirade.
This has little to do with compassion, I have heard so many say “What the heck? It’s only $40”, where would compassion be needed if this is considered as no loss.
The reality is that, while Stella may be chock-full of good intentions, she failed to plan. All of this, trust partners, banking solution, should have been set in stone before she had the website built.
If it came apart, then it can only be from a lack of business acumen to ensure that parties involved would stay involved and within certain maxims, or risk litigation, AND also, from a disregard for common law.
You, Extan, have no reason to get so huffy and rude, I have only stated the banking situation in the true light, with no intention of tearing anything down. If you read the local papers, you’d see that even Sir Richard Branson couldn’t get a banking licence to take over a bank (which was already there and licenced in itself) due to his lack of prior banking experience.
Don’t yell at everyone else because you don’t like the way the real world is. We didn’t make it, madam, we just live in it.
Comment by zippy — 26th February 2008 @ 11:08 am
Well having read the latest GPP update on their website I must say that is a relief… not. Of course we are not allowed to give details but I will say that me thinks the lady doth protest too much…
I have been doing due dilligence on Reverse Pension Plans in every way I can and I keep hearing from several sources both internet and non- internet that a Russian and a chinese plan have paid out and are being discussed on forums but cannot get any verification of this- anyone help? I know from past business dealings in Russia that the banks will not allow money to be sent out of the country without a valid fulfilled contract- so if there has been a payout it must either have been a validly fulfilled contract or only available and paid out internally. As for a chinese plan- is that even possible with the state control of everything?
These schemes are being actively promoted and now there are several of them- most of them a good deal smaller than GPP- around the 5000 to 27000 member limits- if it is possible to do this (and I remain positively skeptical but willing to be converted) can it be that GPP has been over ambitious and can’t actually run and complete a scheme of this size? Is that going to be the next delay? “due to difficulties of size, members will receive payments in staggered amounts of 5000 members at a time…”
Comment by Goosey — 26th February 2008 @ 12:20 pm
[Edit by Ben: Please be aware that this poster has the same IP address as “extan”]
Zippy, I think you may have it wrong, it is very unlikely that Stella tries to get her own bank, that does not make sense from what she said, you know about the service industry… if the big banks or whoever are difficult, somebody will make a plan for you, let the others lose out, because where there is money there is a way!! I still know about when we had sanctions in the bad old days, I worked in the airforce and hey we could get AMI weapons from our enemies, big stamp of the mid-eastern country, we had a big laugh. Just need to be streetwise, everything will work out ok, we WILL get our money.
Comment by John2004 — 26th February 2008 @ 4:07 pm
John2004, I really hope it pays out, merely from the point of the drama being placed upon members from the constant delays and plan changes. But, I’ve backed a lot of longshots in my day, and this one is too long.
If Branson with his billions, couldn’t get a licence for an already licenced bank (and everyone knows who he is) it still remains that the corresponding relations will not be available, and the FSA and Central Banks system will, as Stella said, place a world-wide injunction on funds coming from it.
Unless she plans for the members to have to fly to East Pakalua (I made that up) to use their debit/ATM cards, I foresee problems.
But, if it works,…if any of these work,..that will be the model for others. So far, I’ve heard of none working, and as for Russian and Chinese projects,…isn’t it funny that the regions where we don’t get much info would be the places of reported success? I hardly think this is true. The Chinese gov’t executes those who play around with the status quo, especially in non-traditional money matters.
Comment by zippy — 26th February 2008 @ 7:40 pm
Extan,
This a quote from you: “(for me it was an eye opener, I have some shrink background/hobby)”. Maybe after your last posting you should resort to that background of yours, and get some shrink to help you with your issues. If you’re so sure about GPP, and know it in your heart that GPP is for real, then nothing that anybody in this blog says shouldn’t affect you the way it did. Either you’re one of the most naive person I’ve run across to, or you found out it’s a scam and you’re pissed that it’s about to unfold soon, because you probably talked lots of people into joining GPP.
To mikecheck and other “cynical/negative/sick” people:
Debating these GPP believers is like trying to play chess with a pigeon — it knocks the pieces over, craps on the board, and flys back to its flock to claim victory.
Aren’t I right?
Comment by Rokka — 26th February 2008 @ 7:43 pm
Yeah Zippy anything is possible, credit cards are still easy to use to purchase products or services via the internet after 9-11. Debit cards are easier to get and only have to be set up to tranfer funds, which I can also do with big tranfers with my c/a debit card, so that’s the way to go.
About GPP I would say that GPP’s last posting is an eye opener unless one is blind, (some people seem to be triple blind) it is inconceivable that everything is a blatant lie and people that personally know Stella (and team) would absolutely stand by her. She did NOT have to say anything and wrote in such detail, it would be very strange to be otherway. Sure nothing is quite normal as per professional conduct, but other cultures act differently and may still be excellent business conductors!! We simply have to wait, I’m happy!
Comment by John2004 — 26th February 2008 @ 8:10 pm
[Edit by Ben: Please be aware that this poster has the same IP address as “extan”]
rokka rokka you are sicko, join mike checker, blah, blah blah
Comment by crapping pigeon — 26th February 2008 @ 8:17 pm
I wouldn’t rely too much on logic as far as the detail presented. I’ve seen many more highly detailed descriptions and plans and actions associated with other scams that defy reason. A common theme among those involved is “If they’re not real, then why would they…” Unfortunately, there’s no correlation between what is said and what is done and the viability of such programs. In fact you can argue equally the opposite since that’s the nature of the term “con” in “con job,” i.e., to build confidence on the part of participants in the story told surrounding the scam.
I’ve seen nothing that says “Stella” is a real person any more than thousands of other names (usually English-sounding) have been used in many other similar online investment scams. Typically, what’s behind the names used is a composite of several individuals involved.
And with respect to the “team” there appears to be none as related by “Neverland” in a post regarding “Stella” having to handle all of the mail herself although they’ve gone back and forth on that point a various times.
Comment by JH — 26th February 2008 @ 8:30 pm
Some information
We have set up a team of 4 former legion members to hunt down the people behind GPP,first only to confront them with the situation and get some real information
We have success as we have discovered some of them and also where they are
Also we have worked with some people inside the moneytransfer system so we will get detailed information about whom have recieved the transfers in RiGA and the other spots sent some time ago
We are moving there to take care of theese people and when we are in contact with them we will for sure get all needed information
We always get the information we want ,we have an outstanding record for that and our metods
We are not working with lawyers ,we are streetpeople and problemsolvers in a direct way
I think the time has come to face the truth,and get the people responsible for this business to face their clients,and we will make it happen
So in a short while something will change here
Comment by dina — 26th February 2008 @ 9:42 pm
Extan,
I have got to say, you sure do provide a good laugh almost every day! Ha, getting pretty angry that those dollars are not flowing into your pocket anymore (at least slowing down) huh? Ha! Everyone, why should anyone such as this be so very defensive.
So, it looks like we did kick you out of this blog. Bowing out huh? More like running w/ your head between your legs… A cowards way out I’d say.
I actually expected as much. I’ll bet that the rest will follow as the dollars dry up…
As for those who are sad that Extan has left, well he hasn’t. Another screen name, another identity…. Similar to GPP’s other servers and other shady characteristics… This is not seemingly curious, it is extreemly suspect. Let’s alow him to leave and download other positive movies! That’s great!
My friends, this sounds so very much like a group of people in an internet cafe’. I must say that I am impressed that this scam could be such a money maker (for them, of course)! This sickens me.
Extan,
Do us all a favor and identify yourself as one person insead of all of these crazy screen names.
All,
I’ll tell you something that’s funny. I was on another board on GPP. I posed a couple of straight questions, then all of a sudden I got this error stating that I was “Flagged by the Spam Filter”! I think that I said this before… Nonetheless, this must be managed by a GPP member. A couple of my msgs all of a sudden dissapeared! Truth sometimes hurts…
As mentioned before, I find that these scams are just terrible. Good people, wanting to do good things for others, buying policies, inviting others to join the ride, and other related situations… That is just… I’ll tell you, I just have no words to explain how angry I am that GPP would sting people along for sooooo very long!
Four days till March! Ask your girl Stella how this bogus Banking solution is going. What’s that? Another problem in establishing this “solution” yet again? Oh, next month it’ll be ready! Ok. Sounds good to me! I guess that they will tell us that shortly.
Oh, might I ask how that fund for Stella is going? I’m still somewhat amused at that! Goodness, let’s reward her for illuding questions, not providing information, hiding all and any “supposed” activity, and providing us with statements and answers which go around in circles and provides neither answers or… anything!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 27th February 2008 @ 3:58 am
Hey I read your site and have a personal family member involved in this GPP. every day I can see them reading this site and the forum and i have to say it is a big let down that they are getting nothin from the GPP.
I have never bin a positive person but they keep beleivin that this will pay them out.
I hope so and when the post from dina came on they were blown away and totally confused.
We talk about this all the time and I kinda get it, we share all internet info and ideas as we are close and Im a bit peeved that they cant seem to eva have an answer.
I recon that when I went for my housing loan for an investment property recently and they kept telling me they had an answer tomorrow and kept coming up with excuses not to approve Id tellem where to go. Next!
Pitty what you say mikecheck seems to be happenin.
Just buttn in. for a friend and dont see why someone should jump down me throat either,K.
Comment by omen — 27th February 2008 @ 5:56 am
Well thank you for that am very moved. I guess some people do care. thank you omen… Just so you know my hubby had a bit of a comment here and I must say was very nice of him. Told me when I got home.
Ive some days been very upset about the way people treat each other on this site and even though, this comment is not about the GPP as such, I think its relevant because people can be so nasty and they do not need to be. Wont mention any names.
I say, make a point without the aggression Its obviously not really us your frustrated at. You must be cranky inside subconsciously about something else ay!!! I don’t think Ben started this blog to read vicious comments for his amusement. Sammy!
Comment by SM — 27th February 2008 @ 8:25 am
Hi Ben,
sorry this place is sometimes like an internet cafe, many friends visiting and busy on our computers also trading forex (yes MC we also watching movies, etc.)so whatever happens please don’t get paranoid about IP adresses because it must be a terrible boring job, in particular that MC now appears to be all over your website repeating the same stuff in every post, like a big fly in one of those smelly houses ssssssssss!! But maybe you like it like that because you like to fight legal systems as scam, good for you?!
I see Dina now plays Rambo and Night Rider, wow, quite an assemble of “dangerous characters”, I start to shiver. It stands to reason that Stella and Co are well protected because of all the sickos in this world, maybe soon a big war 🙂 , remember John Lennon, high trees catch the wind and I think he did not deserve that, he did create wonderful tunes, etc!
Could somebody please tell MC that Stella WILL NOT answer any letters, no need for that, she has treated most pressing questions in her last mail and has better things to do than to waste her time with strange humans just wanting to be negative and downright childish and difficult.
And JH… die ongelowige Thomas, let me tell you we know people that have worked with GPP, they are real for sure and are doing a good job, don’t worry!!
Comment by extan — 27th February 2008 @ 9:02 am
For anyone who think this is a game just watch what happens soon,we are just doing what is needed and do not expect to earn a lot of money from it ,more important to nail theese people
So far it is only expences and not like 30 or 40 euros but more like 10.000 usd,but we have resourses and money will not stop us
We like wars ,that is our life for the past 20 years so protection is just another word,nobody is protected
Comment by dina — 27th February 2008 @ 9:30 am
I took a look back a bit and I don’t get weather your for or against GPP. In No.83 etc comment It seems as though you are frustrated with GPP. Guess you are changing your mind all the time like me. I cant make heads or tales of why you are Cranky.
And also this maybe nothing but you have changed you sign out name to lower case. It was in upper case for so long. Is it really you still? And don’t blast my head off either. I find it hard to believe that the old EXTAN would be this way.
Comment by SM — 27th February 2008 @ 9:37 am
Does that mean Extan, John2004, and crapping pigeon are the same poster?
And , if so, what the heck is wrong with him? Does he need that $35? (I can’t even remember the price, now)
Comment by zippy — 27th February 2008 @ 10:33 am
Some entries really flabbergast me, some we have to ignore. By the way ZIPPY, you are right, maybe try some other names as well, if that is really important, I’m a jackal after all :-).
My real name is on the internet having discovered an extremely hidden scientific effect(very useful)at my previous work (p/o magnetism), being often quoted and having published in Elsevier Science, etc. So why not have some fun, always experimenting… makes me laugh a lot and don’t have go to the shrink!
Dina, real mercenaries do not advertise their real intensions!
Hi Sammy, in posting 83 GPP was suddenly off for one week after non-stop operation for ca. 3 years, like an implosion. As reported the situation has changed dramatically (eye opening) but that does not mean that I could revert back to Dina’s tactics if things change drastically again. However using simple aquired human behaviour knowledge (Theories of Personally, etc.)I’m pretty sure that GPP is now commited to be on the right track, (due to the sum of all reasonable actions) so Dina’s stuff is now really uncalled for, does not make any sense at all, misdirected action!!
Comment by EXTAN: extant=still exist — 27th February 2008 @ 12:10 pm
personality wars… happens whenever the hormones get flowing… Can we all make a pact to keep this GPP related and avoid the personal attacks that have made this blog such difficult reading at times?
Comment by Goosey — 27th February 2008 @ 12:36 pm
WOW!!!
I must say:
Before I was going to Switzerland for weekend I thought this blog is on a better way…
But…I’m back now and this is devastating…
It’s like some of the members are becoming more insane with every new post they are excreting. It’s like a disease…
We have this little “guerilla-girl” and “foam-at-the-mouth-mike” and and and…
All adults in here? Someone should check that out.
In Germany we say Kindergarten and i reckon you know this as well.
So get well soon!
Comment by Socke — 27th February 2008 @ 3:32 pm
Goosey!
A belated response to your post 329…
At first I have to say that my attitude is not extreme in any direction.
It’s reserved. I’m relaxed.
Everyone is responsible for oneself and especially for own “investments”. Some members forgot.(sorry,repeating myself)
And in this blog some posts are going unheeded (right term?!?) because of others fighting a running battle.
Back to your thoughts.
I DID my own investigation and I had the same idea why GPP is in such a slow pace.
It’s in consequence of the hugh member limit. All the other (successful) RPPs are limited much lower.
The resurrection of the member button may be a hint to that problem.
Simply to check out how many members are still out there.
The program is running since 2005 with really bad information/communication and it’s a syllogism that a lot of members could have capitulated or even have died.(well-placed humor 😉 )
And don’t forget the number of members who will not release their IDs.
And the banking solution…
I don’t know so it’s better not to comment on this matter. In this blog are more than enough posts full of statements by people who make a great show of learning.
And NOTHING that is written here will never ever have any influence at all.
At the most some kind of negative effect like self-fulfilling prophecy or something.
So again, just WAIT!
And now I wait a bit to be shot down in flames as usual 😉
Comment by Socke — 27th February 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Latest post on TeamTHEMCO:
Subject: FSCF – Five days and counting…
“Statement of Fund to date.
In just 5 days 75 members have pledged €8,131,000 towards Stella’s Children’s Fund – more amazing.
~~~~~~~~~
We thank you for your generous support and for your kind comments in respect of this initiative.
Please note: The names of the donors have been withheld at their request, but will appear on each of the updates forwarded to Stella.”
Comment by Blade68 — 27th February 2008 @ 6:14 pm
“In just 5 days 75 members have pledged €8,131,000 towards Stella’s Children’s Fund – more amazing.”
Quite frankly I find this disgusting. “Stella’s Children’s Fund”?
There is no “Children’s Fund” and using the promise of charity donations to solicit more so-called investors is perhaps one of the lowest things I have EVER seen.
Comment by Ben — 27th February 2008 @ 6:26 pm
I agree, Ben. When they pull the charity or religion card in these things, it sets me off. I volunteer for four REGISTERED charities. Why have we no info about “Bread for Kids”? Why is there no mention of this charity anywhere on the net? Every real charity can use the non-profit basis to market and get donations, so why is there zero net presence for this charity if it’s real?
There WAS a charity on the first website for GPP but I seem to remember them pulling out when people started asking questions. Can anyone remember that, or correct me if I am wrong? I don’t recall it being “Bread for children”.
Comment by zippy — 27th February 2008 @ 7:02 pm
TeamThemco will have a good deal of explaining to do in the near future. They appear to be in cahoots with Mr. Boulat Rafikov, a major promoter (and possibly ‘Stella’) along with a professional cheerleader, Jill Bray who kindly edits their site for them.
Comment by Owen Platt — 27th February 2008 @ 7:38 pm
Comment by crapping pigeon:
rokka rokka you are sicko, join mike checker, blah, blah blah.
Well crapping pigeon, Its time to fly to your flock and claim victory.
In the face of your arguments, can’t help but to surrender, not…
I’d rather join mikecheck anytime, then GPP. I guess we’re hitting the right nerve with our comments, since it makes you that agitated.
Just show the facts about GPP being legit and who is behind it, and we’ll go away. Go ahead, I dare you. Harder than you thought, probably much harder than recruiting your friends and relatives to this scam…
Comment by Rokka — 27th February 2008 @ 7:40 pm
The only cause to found this so called charity-thing by TeamThemco is (quote) “to find a way to attract Stella’s attention and gain her favour and co-operation again. They have come to the conclusion that they should appeal to her desire to raise funds for the children.They are going to need Stella’s support to hold your funds for the 3-5 days that it takes to incorporate their respective Foundations and open bank accounts…(unquote) and so on…”
That’s concussive and has nothing to do with charity.
Who the hell do they think they are?
GPP sickens people…
Comment by Socke — 27th February 2008 @ 8:09 pm
zippy – The charity has been the same as far s I know. The name is “Children of Ecuador Foundation” (not to be confused with another Canadian charity by the same name). The site is BreadForKids.org.
I have no specific information that points to this organization being other than as they describe, but I will say that there are some aspects that don’t build much confidence.
The persons behind the site are known HYIP and MLM players and the charity itself has served as the designated charity for several such programs in the same way as they are now for GPP. In all cases, these programs were scams, and according to posts by the prinicples they received little or nothing and they later directly admitted that the programs sponsoring them were scams.
When I contacted the “Ministry” as referenced on their site for licensing, it responded that it had no information regarding the charity.
I can find no references to it on any of the typical international registries. I can find no reference to it or any of its activities by any other independent third-party.
All of the sites listed on their sponsors page are run by the same persons who operate the charity site. There are no other entities listed other than those associated with the same persons.
All of the images on the site are clip art. There are no original pictures or reports regarding specific activities of the charity. There is no information regarding sources and uses of funds.
I could go on, but I think you get the point. They may very well do great things, but their past association with other scams, the lack of any verifiable credentials or other independent information otherwise, lack of any information regarding sources and uses of funds, and some specific aspects that are misleading, sure doesn’t look good.
Comment by JH — 27th February 2008 @ 8:43 pm
[Edit by Ben: Extan’s IP address on this one too. Can’t he just use the one username?]
Much has been said in the last few posts, I guess nobody here is a real member of GPP, including Ben. About Themco I believe some time back they unwillingly (or were too eager) caused some extra trouble for GPP and that caused the rift, however they know her and still trust her, doesn’t this ring a bell?? Of course that’s a fly in the ointment for all you negative fictitious scam lovers and you do not see the trees in the woods?!
If you know some of Alfred Adlers (1870) theories, “that everyone strives to achieve something worthwhile”, you may laugh when I say that Stella and Co. once had a big dream and they must have bitten of too much with all the strange humans this earth throws at you when big money is involved, greed, greed, greed!
Now they have to adapt, they did well, but surely a lot less of a dream, they wanted also to do good (they will unless we mess it up) and obviously also earn money for themselves, lots of it in addition to what the members we’ll get, the childrens fund is still in their menu but little time because of unforseen trouble!
Now you can start to scream!!!!!!!!!
Comment by church mouse :-) — 27th February 2008 @ 9:33 pm
Aha! Now that you have pointed my head to the correct direction I see from the whois for this charity, that the email address, http://whois.domaintools.com/breadforkids.org
(maurivildrose@yahoo.co.uk) is also the address for 12 OTHER ANONYMOUS domains!
And a UK email, a US phone number, and a “Somewhere in Quito” address.
That’s a heck of a way to run a charity!
So, I fooled around and found this post where “maurivil” is selling his own charity from “Ecuador”. Obviously, if “Mauri” was trawling in the HYIP forum, he’s not exactly starving in Ecuador.
Oddly enough, it appears to also be for a pension plan!!
How coincidental!- Not!
http://www.thehyipforum.com/showthread.php?t=11061&page=3
I have close friends from Quito, who are Quechua indians. I’m going to see if they can validate this charity. Failing that, I have my own ideas on who runs this popstand, now.
Comment by zippy — 27th February 2008 @ 10:24 pm
In my last post, I had thought CPP meant another pension plan. It appears to stand for “Community Portfolio Project”. A very nice gesture in their collecting the money, I certainly hope it went to a bonafide charity and not a scammer.
Comment by zippy — 27th February 2008 @ 11:14 pm
[Edit by Ben: This poster posted three comments (numbered 1 to 3, I’ve pasted them all here to save space). He was ‘kind’ enough to censor his own swear words!]
(1) all the negativity sucks, stop f******g crying if the GPP is a scam it will come to a head sooner rather than later either way, there is such a thing called karma so stop whining like a little B**** i said shut up keep the negative comments to yourself after this post no more of the negative comments on this site mean anything if it is a scam we will all find out including all the negative faggot acting men that have there fingers in their you know what i mean, that continue to post negative comments. hey if you want to whine cry about all of my miss spelled words and the f’d up grammer in this message to you. hey have a wonderful rest of the year if you are able to and ask your local doctor about some derpression medication you need it.
(2) hey dude stop already stop f*****G crying like a b****
(3) love these N**’s weirdo
Comment by what eva man — 28th February 2008 @ 3:51 am
My Friends, another realitively long one. I think that we all could appreciate, at least some of these words (other than the GPP scammers, who no doubt want to ring my neck)….
Omen,
I can apprciate fact that you have family members involved in this program wanting/needing this money from this plan. As I noted, I know of others who have done the same. I am saddened that this has happened, and I have slowly worked in the possibility that this will not pay out. I do not just say forget it, but if I were to say it’s coming I would not be telling the truth.
Extan, So you say that it is sometimes like an internet cafe’ there huh? Well it sounds like one all right… You all hanging around w/ several computers doing this and that. Yes looks can be deceiving… Just like this plan.
IP addresses, yes they can be telling. So what country did you say that you were in? I’m not asking for anything. I’m simply wondering if yo’d tell us good people to see if you are telling the truth on at least that! If you can’t, well I’d say that’s another step in th wrong direction… Nudge Stella and ask her if you don’t know.
What? You talking about. Why is this Stella so afraid to be known? Afraid of sicko’s huh? What reason should she be in hiding? Makes no sense. Besides, as will as she is hidden why should this ever have been a concern anyway. Oh yea, it’s the big banks who do not want her to get these monies. Searching for her to take her out. O.K., right….
Why do you need to tell me that she won’t answer? I keep telling you since she’s sitting next to you just ask her for us and tell us!
— That strange human statement… Just crazy.. Tell you what, o.k., I a strange human. This strange human would like for you Stella or whatever name you are using to tell the non-strange human of what’s happening w/ their cash.
Another don’t wory be happy statement in 347. Give me a break! Sounds like you are about to say March! Feb is almost over! Better start figuring out what you are going to say on this “solution”… Everyone, perhaps I’m not financilly in the know, but I’ve never heard of a banking solution. If there is in fact one, Stell & Co., have never quite said what it is…
Socke,
Do you think that I have valid questions?
…. I tend to agree with some of what you said, but this statement about understanding why GPP is having such a problem makes no sense. If GPP is woring abut the payout for those who may have died, what would their immediate concern be? They have provided no correspondence. They quite simply would not know! Therefore not a reason for a hold up.
…. Then there is the case where there are so many people who have not provided this personal info. Good for them, I’d say (no worry for ID theft there). As for the unfortunate few who have provided this information, why don’t you give them the benefit of providing them with a payout first? Give it to them now!
I’m not going to be one to shoot down your statements. I think that everyone can see for themselves the degree of… Let’s just say that they “understand your meaning”.
Something you said earlier about these ficticious cahracters. My friend, I am surely not ficticious, as your dollars to be sent to us may be.
zippy,
Good job! good job indeed! An additional step towards exposing this scam.
My friends,
Sometimes these posts are too sad to believe. Can you immagine a charity raising 8 Million Euro, that is realitively unheard of? I couldn’t immagine, especially since this is also probably supposed to be a secret! I must say that to put on the guise of a charity is just too pitiful to speak of. To take food from babe’s mouth… Although I’m quite sure that this has money not been raised, it would have suited you better not to have put that out! To lie about a charity is the lowest!
Lastly, as I am always told that I am repeating myself, would it be wrong if I were to say…
No information shared w/ members
Stella is too important to address us.
Stella is apparently afraid of her own shadow
Stella likes charities, especially their money!
Different addresesses, different phone numbers, emails.
I mean goodness, is that elusive enough!
Rokka,
Yes, let me join you. Let me say something that my GPP friends will understand… blah, blah blah.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th February 2008 @ 4:14 am
Members,
I’m sorry for some of the errors in my writings. Looks like I was writing a bit too fast w/out review of grammar or continuity in some instances.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th February 2008 @ 4:26 am
Welcome, Mikecheck, and never worry about your writing. You have life!
After I posted that about the charity with no address/phone/etc., I was thinking ….. Stella KNOWS this person with the charity, (How could she not? It’s supposedly so near and dear to her heart, right?) so, …either she is agreeing to get money sent to some “charity” that is Very suspect and therefore, she is “in on it”, or, if she is unaware of the lack of proper documentation and transparency that the charity has, or doesn’t know how to do a background check, then she is definitely not smart enough to open a bank, or to make the deals that are supposedly being made on members’ behalf with the Trust Partners.
It can’t be both ways, it’s one or the other. Either she’s a part of this “charity” or she’s just not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
Which would it be? Neither looks good.
Comment by zippy — 28th February 2008 @ 5:53 am
Not much left in this blog exept of cause “foam-in-the-mouth”, “please don’t bite me”, useless ramblings, no real content!
church mouse or not, it was so obvious anyway, why all these bland limitations and hunting down IP addresses. One has to see it in context, not in a rigid square box. What did Einstein say one day about humans?
About a childrens funds you can trace back Stellas “clean” ideas ex 2005, just investigating the idea and knowing about the possible pitfalls, so wy all this negative rubbish????????
Please wake up, it’s a lovely morning 🙂 !
Comment by EXTAN — 28th February 2008 @ 7:30 am
Why so worried about us tacking down an IP address?
Where is the Charity refisdtered? Can we see?
Yes, show us these clean ideas from 2005. That would be great!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th February 2008 @ 1:47 pm
It’s time that Extan and JL stop defending these people and join the party.
To begin with….NO real investor would have ever invested in this scam.
Just a bunch of penny stock players and ignorant people with get rich quick on the brain.
I’m watching as people who put their trust in this stupid plan are loosing everything.
tell them something positive extan or JL ..why don’t you brighten there day
Comment by Busting Gut — 28th February 2008 @ 2:38 pm
sorry, not really possible to answer or respond to such s..t comments, if not member of GPP you have no info to make such derogative “foam-at-the-mouth” ‘Tollwut’ comments, please calm down, you are completely in the dark! I notice it has become quit deserted on this blog, intimidated by true facts from the source? 🙂
Comment by EXTAN — 28th February 2008 @ 5:20 pm
As reflected in the comments of those here who are mmembers, they have no more information and are more “in the dark” than anyone. So what makes you think that people against this scam don’t have as much or MORE information in that regard than any information supporting it as being real. You avoided answering earlier, so again, please enlighten us with the “facts from the source.” All you’ve done to date is to talk off-point and in circles.
Like most GPP supporters, you hurt your case more than you help it with your own posts. You have NO FACTS. You continually post a bunch of ridiculous, insulting messages under various names. And then you expect anyone to take anything you have to say seriously? lol
Comment by JH — 28th February 2008 @ 6:21 pm
i have to agree in most part with you JH but as a plan member and supporter was given the plan as a gift so didnt even choose to become a member but i do choose to remain to be one ..I hope with every fiber of my being that the plan pays out not only for my own good but the good of the many investors in the scheme. Whilst I also agree it seems impossible to do and for it to be be to good to be true ….. just as far fetched as believing in the best of people who truly want to do good for more than themselfs … but it happens whether this is the case or not time and patience will only time will tell…no good can ever come of being nasty in bloggs to fellow contributors…and some of the comments from both sides i personally have found offensive and detracting from the debate.
if the plan does pay out …wooohooo good times will be had by many :)… if it doesent …will be sad especially for those who risked more than they should have … smiles but the people i wont be sorry for are the ones who risked thousands of pounds because that was just greedy in the first place ….
Comment by bridget — 28th February 2008 @ 9:28 pm
Oh JH that sounds pretty sour, SORRY we have instructions not to blah blah stuff from the GPP website, because non members will only cause trouble and we would lose our membership and maybe mess-up the project, so obviously we rather want our millions of euros and get out of our misery life, so please understand our position or join GPP then you can get at least 55000 Euro… no guarantee given!
Have a good day and don’t worry I’m not cast into a square box about various user names, let the little boy in me play a bit 🙂
Comment by EXTAN — 28th February 2008 @ 9:32 pm
So, in other words, ya got nuthin.
Like we all don’t have access to everything that’s been “revealed” by GPP anyway. lol The authorities are already after them, their registrar dropped them as did their payment processors, no banks want to have anything to do with them, and most of their members have are fed up with their BS. How much worse could anyone else “mess up the project?” Seems they’ve done a pretty good job at that all on their own.
As I said, the members know less than most who have really taken a hard look at it. We’re not afraid to show independently verifiable information regarding GPP and its program. Unfortunately for their members, they can’t say the same.
Comment by JH — 28th February 2008 @ 11:04 pm
mike
you would be well advised to read posts more carefully.
I never said that (quote incl.orthographic mistakes 😉 )”GPP is woring abut the payout for those who may have died”(unquote).
You took that one sentence of mine about a potential dead of members out of context.
Another error in reasoning is the part contains “data that is provided already”. That’s not what I said.
I meant the ID that will NOT be sent by each member.
But I’m not surprised. You are so motivated to answer extensively to each and every post that some slips of the pen can happen easily.
And I’m NOT talking about orthographic mistakes…
I think this is my last response to you, it’s not worth the trouble.
Another thing!
Did anybody see the new (I reckon it’s the first too) “member post” by Ute Kaschel at the german forum? (Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 10:35 am)
It’s captioned with MEMBERS CATCHING THE SPEAKER’S EYE
She is talking about the book THE SECRET and a lot of positive energie.
Do or did you have got this one or the like in the english forum?
Does anyone remember? Was too lazy to look for…
Nevertheless bad timing, bad strategie…
Comment by Socke — 28th February 2008 @ 11:09 pm
MikeCheck strikes again.
Comment by Gabriel — 29th February 2008 @ 12:03 am
Eva Man,
I have one thing to say to you. February 29th! Tomorrow is the last day of the month, and look this year you are lucky enough to have an additional day! So, what was GPP saying about March?
Extan,
Tell you what, since Stella has all of this information specifically for members, why hasn’t she shared it? Surely she has their email addresses! This way the public would not get it! Good idea huh?
To add…what
Oh, so you say that there is a lot of “foam-in-the-mouth†action going on. Hmmm interesting. You state that you do not want to get bitten… You have nothing to worry about. We can’t find you or Stella in the first place. I think that you will be safe. Unless you are worring about these “phantom bankers” who “don’t want us to make money”.
Bridgett,
I hate to agree, but I’m sure that there were many who invested much more than they should have. I’m very sad for those. Do you consider me as being one who has provided dis information? To be serious, I will respect anyone even these scammers. I will say however, that I will answer any question posed to me. On the other hand your GPP scammers do everything that they can to ildude providing an answer.
JH,
In your post 366, I was about to say the same thing! How pathetic the various names and no information provided by stella & co…
Everyone, just take a quick look. You tell me if those words are not true.
Socke,
I will take your advise and review my statements more carefully. I stand corrected. At that point, probably too tired. It was time to go to sleep for me anyway.
All,
I’m not above correcting my wrongs. GPP on the other hand is a totally differnt story. Now, where was I….
Well, let me just go back over some of these rediculous things that have taken place. The Stella charity… I still cannot get over this! Outrageous!
As for those who are downing me… I ask why? Even if you do not agree with me in attempting to call out the scammers, at least why can’t they answer you? Surely you have taken note that not one question of any benefit has been answered! I’ve asked about why all of the use of email, not using the domain. Everyone, what I mean is why do they have a yahoo, or hotmail email accounts instead of Stella@GPP.com or something to that effect? If she’s handling the site, surely she should have one of those!
My friends,
What I am trying to do is to not have others fall prey to this scam, scams similar to this one (to include the other several being managed by some of the other GPP scammers). To mention the fact that I’d hope that no one would fall prey to this Stella charity goes without saying! Funny, have you heard anymore about this? Bet they won’t bring that back up!
Extan, Stella & Co., I invite you to answer ANYONE’S question! Of course this questionmust come from someone on this blog other than yourself(s).
FEB 29th!!!!! Now only hours away from the reason why we must be calm and wait for the dollar bills! Please do not provide these good people some insulting reason why you canot produce. If this is not seen, I’m afraid that I will have to extend my fndings with other blogs. I would do like to prevent others from falling prey to such a scam.
Again, I wish that I could say that I’m worng but I have seen nothing to say that this is valid. In fact there have been so many here that have explained why it would not work. It unfortunately is true. It does not work. If it does however March 1st will be that day!!! Isn’t that right Stella(s)!
Members, I am surely not even attempting to tell you not to invest in such a scam, I mean program. I would say for those who are considering it or telling others to participate, to wait and see how well this pays out! They won’t loose out! As you can see they are accepting additional money for the next program… Or something… They have not quite said what these additional contracts are supposedly for…
Oh yea, please review zippy’s post 356. Just noted that this post even better explains what I mentioned…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 29th February 2008 @ 4:39 am
Exactly, MikeCheck! Why is support not support@globalpp.net, and not @googlemail? What the heck is that? Big business?
The same goes for the charity. The guy owns servers, runs a hosting company, owns THAT site and domain, yet his email is maurivildrose@yahoo.co.uk. NOT a…real…name@breadforkids.org.
Obviously, he used a generic mail to avoid being traced back to this charity(and yes, how low a slug he is who uses children to get money!)
BTW, all those sites that he says approves the Breadforchildren site, are his sites as well! So, he is his own cheerleader.
I am now convinced that these people have made excellent use of psychology. I would bet, when you’re reading “Stella’s” updates, you have a mental picture of this lady alone with a heap of work and papers on her desk. She writes like a nice INNOCENT lady. She sounds like she would be sweet and caring. Worrying about her charities- aah- the children.
But, they are words, and anyone can paint a picture. Right now, you have no clue if I am a female or male, tall, short, nigerian, Chinese, educated, uneducated, or merely a bunch of teenagers playing with people’s heads on the computer. Maybe I’m just a crazy old bald man, stuck in my little apartment, bored with my life, so I take my frustrations out on people in forums.
No one knows WHO Stella is, (except the elite ‘insiders’, who are probably a paid part of all this). It COULD be what you envision, and yet, on the other hand, it could be a cartel of serial scammers, setting up scam after scam and counting on people like you to say and keep saying, “It’s only $40. Not worth calling the police about.”
And then she talks about the saboteurs who want to stop GPP. There are no saboteurs. There were no DDos attacks. Do you not remember last September when she bought the very expensive ‘”ddos attack stopping set-up”? So, how are there more ddos attacks? from whom? Rubbish!
Stella, as you imagine, does not exist.
I will tell you a secret. Maurivildrose IS a member of GPP and has been for some time. Obviously, he did NOT use fake info when he registered with Stella, or he would not get his payout,…unless, of course, he knows, there is no payout!
So, Stella KNOWS who he is. And who he is not. End of story.
GPP is over. Extan’s “job” is to run interference, which is why he never answers. Don’t worry, Mike, it’s all unraveling and Extan is in the middle, that’s why he talks like he’s drunk.
Comment by zippy — 29th February 2008 @ 5:35 am
My oh my… non members in total disarray and going over the top like a fizz and take everything out of context, talking absolute hogwash, some can not even read properly. Well, MC is a total disaster and he asks what is wrong and repeats forever, how boring!
The good news is that our GPP “savings” are still growing, meaning that additional memberships are being bought. Seems the German group is very active, Finland also well represented,etc., I guess if Stella and Co. would skim off all additional gains then why up our accounts, makes your twisted brain think, or doesn’t it? It simply beats me!
Take care!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 7:26 am
And, thus, my point is proved.
Comment by zippy — 29th February 2008 @ 8:07 am
“FEAR IS THE GREAT DESTROYER!
(Cry wolf! IT IS A SCAM!! …GPP WILL NOT PAY OUT!!)
according to most of you!
Give fear command of your life
And you will be powerless to achieve anything worth while!â€Â
“As a man thinketh in his heart
So is heâ€Â!
There is no one as poor
As the man WITH money in his pocket
But WITHOUT a dream in his heart.
MY MOTTO!!
I would rather live without a penny in my pocket
Than live WITHOUT A DREAM IN MY HEART!!
Comment by JL — 29th February 2008 @ 8:27 am
zippy going bunkers?!
Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 9:02 am
Extan,I read the swedish forum daily. You’re full of it. They aren’t buying. They’re arguing about calling the FBI and Interpol. Quit with the sales pitch. “Grab ’em while they’re hot! They’re going fast!”
Why would you want to push for more sales, Extan? Don’t you have enough members for the first lot to pay out? Sure, you do. But, while you’re dragging these shenanigans out, let’s squeeze the crowd for a few more bills.
Knock it off with your members/non-members baloney. Nobody is ‘going away” because you said so.
BTW, you’re sounding a lot like punnup these days.
Comment by zippy — 29th February 2008 @ 11:31 am
Can’t find “punnup” in the ENGLISH dict??? Auch nicht Deutsch oder watter taal praat jy, ken jy die lied: Del a Rey, De la Rey, hier kom ons? And which Swedish forum, full of what????? Are you a women?
Nobody said “go away”, maybe I should? Hope more people will post, I’m only a sponsored member, and would only get 55K E, not working for GPP, I work for a Technical University (different IP)in the beautiful Cape of Good Hope.
Hey BEN, now you got my secret, which was available anyway!
I was talking about GPP members that have a downline, some earning a few millions, lucky them, did you know that such amounts are possible? And they can see that their total “saving” grows, say from 8,35M to 8,58M in say 3 days, whatever, which means that funds are still flowing in, they have a new e-mail addr., thought that’s interesting info unless you do not understand?! And from such data one can obviously deduce a few POSITIVE things unless you are blanked off!
Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Extan, you do realize that by your own post you demonstrate that their numbers don’t work? Given your extensive knowledge regarding the “data” and your deductive abilities, here are a couple of simple, direct questions for you.
First, based on the number of members at 100,000 original policies plus the 250,000 additional policies, what is the MINIMUM numbers of members who would be expected to fill the matrix to the full 12 levels?
Second, how many members at the full referral matrix level would it take to exceed ALL of the money available to fund the program not even counting the promised 55,000/110,000 payments? Hint, they’d each receive 16,000,000 Euro.
These numbers can be calculated fairly easily and do not need to be known precisely to demonstrate the result within a reasonable expected range. If you’re not capable of doing so on your own, then since you’re fortunate enough to work at a university, you might scoot over to the finance department and ask someone there to help (but you should be prepared to have them laugh in your face.)
Please spare us the usual non-responsive reply. If you’re not able to “deduce” these numbers, which unlike GPP don’t lie, then you’ll simply demonstrate that you’re FOS (which BTW has basically the same meaning as “punup” to help you out there lol).
Comment by JH — 29th February 2008 @ 6:59 pm
Your “minimun number”S” of members” is very bad English, we have a English crasher course 🙂 there is absolutely nothing to calculate for me, I don’t get that money anyway, so why should I waste my time for you??
I should not even respond!
I just talked about illustrative values, not saying what gets paid out, not implying anything besides observed facts, that people are still paying in, etc. I guess you cannot understand what I wrote, you seem to be blanked off??? Or do you want to start an IQ test?
Maybe you have not heard about the concept of gearing and other methods of creating “big” funds since the Marshal Plan after WW2, the Tsunamis, etc, as well as the advent of trading Forex etc., assuming you have enough funds to start to get moving? Nobody said that they would do it in a 2% savings account at the corner bank?
FOS you too, whatever that means, I’m not into abbreviations or non English low class jargon.
Sleep well!
Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 8:23 pm
Apparently, you’ve not heard of simple math. And as expected you have no substantive response other than to go off on some non-responsive tangent re gearing and WWII. lol
The answer of course is that the payouts from the referrals alone quickly exceed the total value of the funds supposedly received from the “bank.” And a 2% return would be about double the 1.2% that the “bank” providing the funding for this deal would receive. In fact, they’d do about 300% better by using a simple 2% APR account at their corner bank.
As I said, you’re the worst enemy of your own case and your nonsensical replies just serve to prove my points. Keep up the good work.
Comment by JH — 29th February 2008 @ 8:41 pm
Oh my,..the foulest mouth in the thread is “not into abbreviations or English low class jargon”?
And, JH used correct English, sir. Your crash(er) course did not teach you that he used “number” as a noun, therefore, it remains singular, as it is a “number”.
And that would be an “English CRASH course” , not “Crash(er) course”.
There’s no such thing as a “Crasher Course”.
Cape of Good Hope? Maybe TOO MUCH HOPE? Would you, by any chance, be connected to “World Park”, in Namibia, or Boulat Rafikov?
Comment by zippy — 29th February 2008 @ 9:08 pm
Well, always wrong, consult the Oxford, “numbers of members” is ALWAYS wrong, “number” is right as I had said, you are reading wrong, unless you are an American and leave out the letters and mess up the language, also sorry here we call it either crash or crasher, because someone who goes for a crash course crashes for sure!
About math I was always the best in the class, 100%+, sometimes give and taqke one or two, even at Tech Uni (Fachhochschule) also correcting the lecturer and then losing marks for his mistakes 🙁 . So don’t worry, I have nothing to prove to you and you can say what you like, mush in your head? At least you did not object to the idea that with Forex trading, using enough money, good software and proper big stops you can earn really big?
Was born in SWA (Namibia) we did not take drugs in school and are not messed up like you 🙂
Comment by EXTAN — 29th February 2008 @ 10:24 pm
My my my goodness! I cannot say in words how pathetic, how utterly rediculous Extan sounds! if this weren’t so frustrating I’d be tempted so to laugh. Now where do I begin! Ah, I know, the source of this circle talking…
Extan,
It is simply incredulous to even think that you have any idea of what you are talking about mathmatically, after being busted by JH! This is just rediculous! Especially your response. It is almost… no it is…sad. Non responses continually. Extan, we are not stupid. I’d take it that you realize this by now.
Your statement referring to this additional money should infuriate every member in the program! Why should anyone in this program be concerned with this additonal money sitting in an account when it serves no benefit to anyone in the program (supposedly other than GPP). If everyone (by some chance)were to get this payout, then GPP would have significantly benefited finanially. Also, what does tading on the Forex have to do with the GPP program? Opps.. Something else you wont speak of again huh?
Oh my, you think quite a bit of yourself don’t you? So you are so intelligent in math huh? Well how come you can’t review or even disprove JH? Answer, because you can’t, Mr. 100%.
Hate that you think my statements and the asking of serious questions are so vey boaring. Funny as it is, you have not addressed any of them, NOT ONE! I’d believe that as you are so caring for the members, that you’d be as kind to inform us of anything of importance. As usual, I can see that you care little for the members.
In post 381, you noted that you should not even answer a question… Well, you ARE in fact doing a good job at that! Why even make such a statement? Should have kept that to yourself.
JL,
I like your post. Good positive thoughts. I however,do not think that this is a legitimate program. I can understand that fear of being scammed could be perceived. I however, am of the opinion that we have been scammed. I therefore have accepted this fact and have no fear on this topic. You state:
There is no one as poor
As the man WITH money in his pocket
But WITHOUT a dream in his heart.
I could not agree more. A well said statement.
Your Motto:
I would rather live without a penny in my pocket
Than live WITHOUT A DREAM IN MY HEART!!
That too is also a good motto, that I also agree with. I can appreciate this in several ways/respects.
Not to sound negative but as I mentioned earlier, though we all would have dreams in their hearts for this wonderfull bounty, I do not see it happening. The reason is all too obvious. In looking at all of this information that has been reviewed (non answers to valid questions,the jumping around of servers, the apparent use of a internet cafe’, use of inappropriate for busness email addresses, said use of additonal monies not used for the members benefit, and the extreemly curious use of the FOREX maket with our monies). I cannot help but to think that this is complex psycological manipulation, as well put by zippy in post 373. – At the same time, this motto also provides us with the benefit of knowing that we can obtain the benefit of achieve our dreams. I’d not base them on this program to achieve them however. This program attempts to steal these dreams, but again the may still be had.
Comments anyone?
Extan, you have anything to say that does not run around in your usual circle?? Oh yea, this is probably another post that you find boaring. Do us all a favor and come up with something more original than that…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 1st March 2008 @ 6:08 am
When we enrolled with GPP, we all KNEW that perhaps we were taking a chance and we saw it in the context of buying a lottery ticket.
We were all PREPARED to take the chance and come on guys, what can you do with the small fee you paid after all to become part of this possible dream? I am sure you spend more buying lottery tickets every week!
You must remember that every cause has an effect. Should there be a negative outcome to GPP, God will sort them out. Nobody gets away with it. Every thought, action, deed, broken promise, lie or destroyed dream, is noted and one day we pay for them!
I do not carry the burden and have peace in my heart, KNOWING that what goes around, comes around!
It is not about the money, it is about the dreams all of us have to better our lives and the lives of others that we want to help. All around us there is poverty and hard times that most people are going through. And if we can make a difference with the money from GPP, we have achieved a worthwhile goal.
That, in a nutshell, is my perspective of GPP. Let’s wait. Time alone will tell.
Comment by JL — 1st March 2008 @ 7:14 am
If this Gpp dont end soon, man this bloody blog spot is gunna go in the BEGINNERS INTERNET PAGE OF WORLD RECORDS, for the longest posted page in the history of Bloomen Blogs. Cracks me up. Im havn a cack, realy Its startn to make me laugh.
No pun intended about ya posts Just how long and many there are about the same ol!!! and BLASTen the beGeezes out of each other!
Hey Beno maybe you should entre it in the Beginners Book A World Records mate.
Cum on GPP Cum on – Cum on!!!(Sing along with me) Were All Waiting. I thought is was just me missus worrying.(Not that she is any more shes just waitn NOW) BUT I was wrong Its all o ya!
Could be worse We could all be on the TITANIC and thinking we are gonna have a good night and PART-EY!, When all of a sudden BOOM!!! were like frozen human popsicles bobin around in the middle of the ocean givn our missus the floating door to lay on while we wait to freeze and sink into oblivian. He He!!!
HAPPY DAYS FELLAS!!! Put ya feet up n have a BEER with me whilst we WAIT. This blogs gettn to bloody serious aint it?
Cheer up!!! All Anger leads to premature death wouldnt that make ya policies worth while for em Ay!
Come on I no ya dont know me But Im Cheerin for yas so Have a beer with me unless ist mornin where you are.
Comment by omen — 1st March 2008 @ 7:31 am
Ain’t I’m lucky to be associated with this lovely lady, real positive stuff makes us all feel well. But we should really stop this other non-sense, it leads nowhere. JH needs math and matrix to calculate the downlines, I recommend Grade A BASIC ARITHMETIC, math is something else!
Apart from GPP’s admin, we cannot really know which of our downlines purchased another membership and so on, you only see your total and can deduce from that, and so what, we’ll see what gets paid out anyway or not, it’s anyones guess!
Please don’t cry if you lost out, there are other possibilities, be careful 🙂
Comment by extan — 1st March 2008 @ 7:44 am
March 1st!
MikeCheck
Comment by mikecheck — 1st March 2008 @ 7:46 am
Omen,
You have da rite idea! Bring it on brother!
At least you put a little bit of fun into reading
this S E R I O U S …. blog:-)
Enjoy!
Comment by JL — 1st March 2008 @ 8:11 am
Your welcome JL, You have the right idea too darl. Keep the good vibes comin. when we all get rich – and now Im beein positive how about we all raise our glasses and toast to our victory!! Maybe have an Internet party and a bit of a CELEBRATE in cyber space. good on ya Mateeey.
If it dont go so well guess weel just have to CELEBRATE bein alive n heathly and still able to down a coldy around the barby. Maybe it wont be a YOU BUTE one but whos lookin an who cares.
Comment by omen — 1st March 2008 @ 9:53 am
If I were you I would be ashamed of the last six or seven posts.
You should found a self-help group for desperate housewifes.
Your lifes must be boring and you parents did something wrong.
Or is this a special kind of english humor that I can’t understand because I’m german?
Maybe mistranslation…:-(
So, EXTAN, I recognized that you had no problems with the german language, right?
Ich glaube, Du bist ein netter Kerl und bist auch nicht dumm, was man, glaube ich, von einigen hier nicht sagen kann – mein Gott!!! Armes Land!!!
Also bitte ich DICH (bei der “Gegenseite” habe ich keine Hoffnung auf Besserung), ignorier den Kinderkram einfach und lass uns entspannt die Zeit abwarten.
Zurück zur Schwarzwälder Kirschtorte und Kaffee!!!
Herrjeh!
Comment by Socke — 1st March 2008 @ 10:04 am
Hallo Socke, endlich wieder etwas Leben auf diesem Blog, den Kinderkram von MC ignoriere ich schon… better return to English, wonder about whom you were talking about in your initial lines? Mieskien daardie REPEAT EVERYTHING pampoen? (Afrikaans was developed from dutch)Yes our future president has only a grade 3 school certificate and a heavy criminal record under current investigation, now the judiciary, special police forces, etc. will soon flounder and he is sooo popular.
So we need a GPP payout soon to take a EURO holiday if needs be. Tourists were this morning again mugged on table mountain (aptly named “skeleton gorge”) by those shady guys, everything was obviously stolen, standard conditions of employment for 65% of the population.. But we keep on hiking, I have a heavy golf stick to use if needed…. hole in one 🙂
Comment by extan — 1st March 2008 @ 10:44 am
I’m glad to read a post without any personal reproaches.
And Im not hooked on harmony excessively…
I have to go to Switzerland for this weekend again and I could make a hotel reservation for you 😉
I mean, if you don’t know where to spend your holidays…
No, joking apart!
Ich drück die Daumen, dass das Schlimmste NICHT eintritt!
And don’t use your golf stick in here anymore 😉
Comment by Socke — 1st March 2008 @ 11:17 am
I just read the German forum post March 1. Interesting. But not sure why all the languages dint get the same.
Socke, Ich wurde mich Ihnen zu kaffe und irgendeiner kirchentorte anshlieBen wenn wir alle fliegen konnen, un einander hinuber zu treffen. Wouldnt that be interesting, Us all together from this site.
Cheers! Have a good nite.
P.S Hows my German, probably not to good. Ah Its good enough to say Hi to you anyway Lol.
Comment by SM — 1st March 2008 @ 2:33 pm
Why are there 2 new posts today from neverland on the dutch forum and nothing on ours? can anyone translate? this lack of communication is absolutely ridiculous!
extan, the correct term is crash course, no such thing as a crasher course. I am english, i know.
And if gpp are using our money to trade forex then this is more of a scam than we thought!
Comment by Blade68 — 1st March 2008 @ 2:44 pm
Good feelings and well being is a good thing. Keep hope alive!
Indeed, I apply that to many things. Of course as mentioned by JH we all knew that this was a fisk. At least some of us did. Some in a downline knew less but hey, yes it was a risk. Sure we have all been ripped off at one time or anohter. Shoot, I remember getting ripped off from last summer! I’m not having faith that the person who did rip me off would come back and tell me that he’d make it all better. so would come back.
omen, interesting post. Likening this program is an interesting simily. Yes we are parting righ now! It is unfortunate that the person selling the ticket was making a bee line straight for that iceburg, then immediately breaking camp!
Extan,
Now that I too am about harmony, if I have been confrontational, I’ll attempt to bag it!
As for our good feelings, could you now provide us with some status on the program? Truly at this point whais the status?
Pehaps Stella could enlighten this great group, who are looking for a payout?
In any case, it is now March 1st. Are we to receive this payout now? Seriously, I have not heard anything about it, as Stella said. We were however tod to wait at the beginning of Feb. Wouldn’t you agree that it is now time?
March 1st! I guess the baks will begin the payout beginning Monday when the banks open! This will be time to party my friends! I’ve already got my hat! What a beneficial thing that this will be to better our lives!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 1st March 2008 @ 3:06 pm
Hi Blade68
You can translate the German pages with this website:
http://imtranslator.com/
It only contains letters from people about GPP.
Enjoy
Comment by JL — 1st March 2008 @ 4:40 pm
Yes indeed blade68 the word is CRASH, I’m so sorry for this terrible mistake, must have thought about some gate crasher 🙂 )))
There is no new info on GPP, I do NOT work for them, please do not ask again and again and again MC. They could give us some update about the bank solution = % to finish???
Take care!!
Comment by EXTAN — 1st March 2008 @ 5:20 pm
Pay out March 3rd. Is that correct Stella or extan?
Comment by mikecheck — 1st March 2008 @ 7:18 pm
I just read through a few new member’s letters on GPP’s German forum moderated by “neverland”, an interesting development in more than one way, because GPP seems to open up a bit! Must say those letters are mostly positive and maybe sometimes critical, but no obvious troublemakers. 6 letters up to now. Are the Germans more gullible or what is going on? Personally I think it is a good development for obvious reasons, but I don’t think the money will arrive on Monday, it surely takes longer to go though the licence granting phase.
Comment by EXTAN — 1st March 2008 @ 9:08 pm
Extan,
Then why wern’t we all told of this beforehand? Can you ask you buddy Stella that?
What exactly is the “license granting phase”. Which of the never ending segments of this program are we in now. To be quite serious, it sounds like GPP has inept people working there. How can a company with al of these dollars not operate properly? Surely these licences and such should have been completed by now! It’s been 2 yrs!!!!
My friends, this is why I do not believe in this program. Lies after lies!!!! Why don’t you get us the information as to exactly what GPP is doing now, other than have it’s members “wait” for what’s just around the corner?
As I said all February, March would come around with yet another reason for a delay. As I said, to extan, please come up with another reason why this will be delayed… again. Looks like he pulled through!! Good for you extan! I suppose next month the dog will have eaten the license….
People have we now had enough of this nonsense? As I ased before, in looking out for our fellow man, please do not suggest to anyone to join this program… They are giving thier money away!… Oh yes in that great 2% saving account, used to play the FOREX. At the same time you might note this preposterous charity for Stella (specifically)!
MikeCheck
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 1st March 2008 @ 9:44 pm
We now have an English post in the forum, for March 1st. But from what I can gather as my German is only High school worthy, It is not the same one as the Deutschland site.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but, I think its a different person too.???
I like what it said though, When you stop the negative thoughts and find kind and positive ones it all feels as though Anything can happen.(Even the facts and innuendo, Cant take it away).
Feels Good.
Comment by SM — 2nd March 2008 @ 3:23 am
My friends,
let’s once again review what we were told many months back… These are Stella’s words! Not my own at all!!
—–Stella’s words ———-BEGIN
We have a deadline!
Because of what’s happening in the e-currency world, the Trust Partner has decided to set a deadline to reach the 100.000 members target. The date will be the31st of August 2007. This means that we have four months to go.
———Stella,s words——END
Yes, just a small segment of what was said… We’ve got nothing to worry about now! Feb has now left the building (like Elvis)! Nonetheless, Banks open March 3rd!
Extan, Stella,
Let’s do this thing! As mentioned earlier, A man’s (or Woman’s) word is their bond! May GPPer’s are watching! What do you say!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd March 2008 @ 5:31 am
This is the latest post on TeamTHEMCO, i think its disgusting that they are encouraging this when we have had no sign of a payout! and why do the kids get 57000 all of a sudden and not 55000?
FSCF – Momentum building……
Statement of Fund to date.
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In just 9 days 89 members have pledged €9,385,000 towards Stella’s Children’s Fund – even more amazing.
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We thank you for your generous support and for your kind comments in respect of this initiative.
Please note: The usernames of the donors will appear on each of the updates forwarded to Stella.
If you wish to contribute to this initiative, please send an e-mail to themco@gmail.com so that arrangements can be made for you to make a pledge, in advance of sending funds to buy an Additional Policy. The purchase of each Additional Policy will benefit the fund, and hence the children, by an additional €57,000. This is how the fund can grow so quickly. Thank you.
March 2, 2008 Posted by teamthemco | FSCF | | No Comments
Comment by Blade68 — 2nd March 2008 @ 1:08 pm
You’d think, with the fake charity and their partners being exposed, they’d be using their heads. Perhaps someone needs to call/send to the British newspapers,…..I certainly hope these folks haven’t been actually SPENDING the “un-money”. Numbers on a chart are one thing,….spending money you don’t have is another.
Apparently, the management company has neglected to tell the flock what’s up.
Maybe they’re still bringing in sign-ups. Lucky Stella.
Comment by zippy — 2nd March 2008 @ 5:40 pm
Hey, what happend to Dina, shooting in the Afgan mountains or marching in Siberia? 🙂 MC I do not know Stella, OK?!!
Comment by EXTAN — 2nd March 2008 @ 6:12 pm
Extan, and other GPP employees,
You state that you do not work for Stella & Co. Well do you know them?
You say that 89 members have stated that they’d provide approx 104 euro each… That’s a good one! Tell you what, I’ll throw a couple of dollars your way too… Just as soon as I get this payout.
YES members, let’s all pledge to give Stella some of our money AFTER the payout… Let’s all let Stella know that her charity will get a load of bills after the banking solution is over…
OH, BY THE WAY, this should be Monday shouldn’t it!!!! What a bounty for Stella’s charity!
Oh, how do I send Stella this money? Web transfer? Got an address?Not! Oh, could you send us her charity’s website? Maybe I could get some info from there? Oh, no website just yet? Then where is the charity registered? Oh, can’t answer such questions YET AGAIN?!?!
— I mean like that is simply crazy that you would want US to go through the trouble of emailing YOU! Where is the wesite to make this a simple transaction!!! You GPPer’s really have to think very little of members intelligence. EVERYONE, in all charities that you have seen, isn’t there a box that you can cluck for donations on a secure web page that you can use to give a donation?
Sad.
Contract owners,
As we can see, there is not further benefit in sending in money for additional contracts… IAW extan, everyone else should not be able to receive the benefit of a payout… right? Yes, and if this is the case, why should anyone send additional money?
My friends,
I need to tell others considering to get into this program has now ended. Our praise’s are to be given after this elusive payout. At which point they may join in!
Once again for the 8th or 9th time, Extan Stella, or one of stella close friends who I know (supposedly) is on this blog, what’s the deal with the ansereing of these Additional questions once again?
Crazy! This list of questions just gets longer and longer! Seems odd doesn’t it. It’s odd to me that’s for sure…..
Tell you what… If anyone (GPPers) can answer a few of these valid questions I’ll chill somewhat. If not, well I’ll just post them ALL ONCE AGAIN and see how the members feel about none answering of these (what I believe) valid questions. I’m sure members would not midn just the questions, simple questions to be posted.
I invite others to pose some questions to GPP…
Everyone, If you’ve been following you’d know that this list is getting to be quite extensive! For all members whether you believe in it or not, surely anyone would like to know at least a few of these questions!!!
So Stella
Please wach out for those evil bankers and website attackers! I still do not know why anyone would want to attack that site. I’d think that a hacker would have something better to do than chase after this sca… I mean this program.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd March 2008 @ 10:00 pm
Members,
In that second paragraph above, I mistakenly said that the 89 members providing money to the charity, gave on average 104 euro each. I meant to say that they gave 104,000 euro each…IAW what TEAMThemco said….
RIGHT! lol…
Like I said, right after the payout, include me as a donor… I’ll even send this email to your “gmail” account”. This way, youll be able to give me the information that I’ll need to find out which bogus ebank to send my money to (I mean electronically transfer this money to), which must be done under cover of night, at 11:00 p.m. after the full moon (this to prevent these evil bankers from knowing what is happening).
Then again, I don’t think that it will a problem at all in our giving of money. As is the case for us, getting this money from GPP is an ENTIRELY different story. Now you could not dissagree with that statement if you tried! I’d even be amused to see how Stella would answer that (eventhough we know that she won’t).
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd March 2008 @ 10:20 pm
This blog is now exclusive for Ben and MC, please enjoy it, maybe an urgent visit to a psychologist may be indicated.
[Edit by Ben: I let you have free reign on this blog, extan, why are you giving me grief now?]
By the way Ben, on ADSL through a home line your complete blog gets scanned in and eats up enormous so wrongly called “bandwith” actually it is allocated download/upload memory, typically 400k and with a contribution it easily goes to 1M. With looooooooooooooooong repeat letters from MC, it is costing everyone a lot of money, so why not keep just about 10 letters on an ACTIVE page, the rest archived?
[Edit by Ben: Archiving is a manual task which takes some time. I am doing 100 comments at a time when I can but it is tedious work. Please bear with me and you will soon see the difference. MC has as much right to post here as you so I won’t be selectively archiving comments just because he writes more than others and you don’t agree with him.]
Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 7:51 am
“Stella’s” recent update:
“Dear Members of Global Pension Plan!
We know that many members are very excited and also quite nervous about the finalization of the plan.
Everyone desires the payout and the patience of all of us has nearly been used up.
Please believe us, we are in the same situation!
We also would like the payout yesterday if possible.
Always keep in mind – if you are not paid out we also do not get anything.
As it has already been said a lot of times, “We will win this game ONLY as a teamâ€Â.
A team is as good as there is direct, straight, honest and constructive communication amongst each other.
We had a lot of complaints recently from members:
“Why haven’t you set this up earlier?â€Â
“But you had promised End of February!â€Â
“If you cannot set this thing up I have the perfect solution here, it is so very easy.â€Â
“Now they want to get even more from us, signing up more people and contracts.â€Â
“First you say bank solution, then no bank solution at all, then again bank solution, what the hell is going on?â€Â
Believe us, we have noticed all your complaints, we really know all of them. From your viewpoint it is really understandable that reactions of that kind came up.
However, from our viewpoint things look a bit different as we are dealing with forces and establishments that are fighting us, that don’t want us to succeed and that are outright sabotaging us and continuously trying to give us a bad name.
So today we need all of you here to really come together and listen carefully.
Lots of things happened in these last days and weeks.
Lots of things you need to know about.
Our business is totally legal and honest and the Compensations and Loyalty Program Rewards are being earned in a totally correct way. We are in no way criminal or dealing with such persons. We have nothing to do with Drugs, Weapons or any other criminal dealings.
However the established international Banking World has already reacted to these future upcoming payouts.
Several Central Banks in some jurisdictions have advised the national banks to not accept amounts send from us.
Therefore payouts which we would send to personal accounts of members are liable to be either frozen and investigated or even sent back. But this is not even the most negative effect this would have. Actually sooner or later everyone would have to admit that all is fine with the and its origin is totally legal etc.
BUT these measures being taken by banks all over the world towards us would spread like wildfire all over the planet and that could lead to discrediting us in such a way that the whole Program could fail.
You can be sure that we have tried everything to really make it possible for all those that have appropriate personal accounts to receive the payouts there.
So what to do? According to several surveys we did amongst members and their downlines, we had about 90 % of the members who would take the banking solution offered by GPP anyhow. Only 10 percent of our members would like to receive the payouts on personal accounts.
Before we go further into this, let me tell you a bit more about our banking solution:
………….
1. You will get State-of-the-Art online banking facilities with internal, domestic and international wires, account balance and history plus all the normal banking functions.
2. You will also get a debit card for your account. We even try to get you a credit card, but that’s not an easy thing to do. Card will be mailed, so keep the address information updated!
3. You can send four international wires per month free of charge.
4. The number of out-going wires is not limited.
However, the EUR value has been limited so you can transfer as much as 1.000.000 EUR (one million EUR) per month. This should be sufficient for most of us!
5. The origin of funds will be supported by sufficient documentation, so you shouldn’t face any major challenges when wiring funds into another account.
………….
So now you have some more Infos about our banking solution. We think this is a very good package that we can offer each one of you.
As we have the responsibility for all 100.000+ members, we can secure the payout only in one way:
We need to make the Banking Solution mandatory for everyone.
Of course we know that this again will give us lots of protests and complaints from some members, but we are willing to go through that. We have taken the time here trying to give you a bit more understanding for the overall situation. We tried everything but it is not possible.
Should this be unacceptable for some members then we are very sorry.
We definitely think that a payout via banking solution which we can guarantee to all our members is much, much better than to risk the payout for everyone only because we wanted to serve some members with personal accounts.
Here again we have to prove that we are a team.
We are sure once we all have been paid out everybody will be happy. And that is what counts in the end!
Now of course this Banking Solution now being mandatory to all creates some more questions which we hereby also want to take up:
– No you do NOT have to correct your agreement if you have already written your personal bank account data.
You can either leave it as it is or you can cross it out.
– Every adult will have his own Banking Solution account.
– Parents or legal guardians can include the payments for their children below legal age onto their accounts. Therefore it is only necessary to make a little note onto the agreement form of the child,
stating: “Payment onto account of FULL NAME / USERNAME.
This is the ONLY exception. Every other person will have his or her own account.
Our current schedule depends on the banking license at the moment. We haven’t been given a date when it will be granted, so I’m unable to promise the payout to happen any specific time. Even though we are dealing with a cooperative office in an extremely friendly jurisdiction, there still is a lot of bureaucracy involved in this operation.
The site will stay open for logging in your member area, purchasing Additional Policies and signing up new members.
Should there be further questions coming up we will issue them plus the answers in the forum.
Of course we will also update you on any news we receive! So always stay tuned.
In the meantime we will handle all your requests re.
failed sign ups, lost passwords, etc. Please do not worry. They will ALL get handled as long as you have sent the appropriate data.
Once more: The E-Mail Address for all your requests
is:
global.member.support@googlemail.com
Please ONLY write in English and procure all data without telling long stories. Only re-send your requests if you haven’t heard anything for over a month.
Apart from that I would like to ask all members to please keep the e-mail traffic as low as possible.
Thank you for reading this Announcement. Keep yourself updated in the forum.
And please stay confident and positive. Actually there is no rational reason to feel otherwise.
In the end when we all have been paid I am sure we all say that the waiting had paid off!
Regards,
Stella & the Team
PLEASE NOTE: This update is for GPP members only. Those, who fail to follow our rules and publish this for the general public, will be immediately inactivated from GPP without a change to be reactivated again. If you have a big downline and a mailing list, you can tell your people to visit our forum for the latest update. But that’s all! Do not reproduce the update, do not publish it for the general public! Thank you! “
Comment by JH — 3rd March 2008 @ 9:56 am
Well, JH, you are probably not a member so you got this info from a member, certainly not from me. But I think humans usually have a healty brain and Stellas letter is quite positive unless somebody cannot or wilfully wil mis-interpret it! Unfortunately on this blog there are some very sick people, so we’ll see what will happend. In any case it seems that this blog has recently gone out of fashion!
Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 10:09 am
Extan
Ja nee ek sit op die noord kus en die web page vat omtrent “800 years to open”. Ons het nie adsl nie.
“Incidently” there is quit a lot of info about GPP on another webpage
http://heatherwolfnetwork.blogspot.com/2008/03/confusion-about-global-pension.html
Still not sure where all this is leading.
I am not a member but One of my family members entered us all into this plan, with the hope of trying to help everyone financially.
I hope for their sake it all works out!!
A euro holiday might definetly be needed here.
Comment by AB — 3rd March 2008 @ 10:12 am
i found another website that promos gpp and says payout march 08, sounds possible,
so AB wat se jy van die debakel in Vrystaat Uni, funny video made out to be rassi en wereldwyd opgeblaas word, wat van al die wit plaasboere wat vermoor word, dit word nie gewys nie. Ons weet wie is die meeste rassi, nie ons!
Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 10:57 am
Extan
Daar word nooit gekla oor die wit boere wat vermoor is nie, as jy op die tv Kyk is dit altyd die kraaie wat its wil he, of kla oor die wit mense, of toi toi oor iets, na meer as tien jaar blameer hulle nogsteeds vir ap–d
Ek stem nie saam oor die pee in die kos nie, ek dink dis siek, mense verwag dit van die houts, nie die wittes nie, maak nie saak wie jy is.
Ek dink ook hulle was dom om hulle self op video te laat opneem as hulle sulke k-k wil aanvang.!! sal seker moet oor skakel engels toe
What is the address of the other site that has info on GPP
Comment by AB — 3rd March 2008 @ 11:45 am
http://www.roywgrogan.com/
= pro pro info on GPP with full American colours 🙂
AB:
By the way they simply used water (H2O) in a squirt bottel, surely no pi! But they should know it’s stupid to do things like that over a potential explosive fire! But it’s only turned around by the media for maximum effect, sick world!!! Other than that it is already genocide over here, slowly killing off the minority, etc. and anarchy on the road i.e. everyone for himself!
Enjoy your time till the money arrives, then investing problems because the shares are on the ground, how about saving it under the pillow 🙂 ?
Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 12:23 pm
“But I think humans usually have a healty brain and Stellas letter is quite positive unless somebody cannot or wilfully wil mis-interpret it!”
It’s as believable (and well-composed) as any of the rest for this scam. ; )
Comment by JH — 3rd March 2008 @ 5:15 pm
And I was talking about some very sick people! 🙁 If the shoe fits , wear it!
Comment by extan — 3rd March 2008 @ 6:30 pm
Of course the letter is positive, I can write a fairy tale too if I want you to “send in new members”!
Heather Wolf doesn’t like GPP because she wants to start her OWN pension plan (Good grief, aren’t there enough of these scams, already?)
I hate to point this out, but, if the bottom has fallen out of the TEP market, who, in their right mind, will back them? They are losing horses! And, I remind, that TEP’s use REAL PROPERTY as collateral, not flesh,(which very often doesn’t stay the course). So, if there is no secondary buyer for these instruments, buyer number one would not be inclined to purchase (a REAL TEP , not GPP’s)
If they can’t trade the real ones without losing money, what are you thinking?
TEP’s simply do not trade for the amounts given in the REAL world, so,…why would you expect the truth in fairyland?
And, EXTAN, why would you worry about how expensive this site is to read, if you have so much money coming? Ask your buddy Rafikov for a loan to hold you over!
Comment by zippy — 3rd March 2008 @ 6:44 pm
BTW, the “Grogan” site is really a great one. Not only does he misuse Aussie slang, but the IP is in Quebec (as I suspected) and the clipart is only paid till next week.
Does he think he’s fooling somebody?
And EXTAN, no one is being racist in here, so, stop trying to say that. I would have noticed, trust me.
Comment by zippy — 3rd March 2008 @ 7:21 pm
ZIPPY IF YOU ARE A FEM THAN I UNDERSTAND, sorry you put words in my mouth that I didn’t say (as before) you should read correctly. By the way it is well known all over the world which people are the most rassi!!Must be difficult to understand Afrikaans. Sprechen Sie Deutsch dann droppen Sie um :-).
Take Care!
Comment by eXtAn — 3rd March 2008 @ 9:25 pm
Hi…
Im not a member of gpp but my friend does and she was expecting it much all i care is when will it be paid out….im telling my friend that its not real but she has big hopes about it so if u can read this stella hope u make it happen…
asian girl
Comment by ayesha silva — 4th March 2008 @ 12:15 am
Quite an interesting read here. Actually it is always fascinating to see all the gyrations one will go through trying to defend a scam. I hear that Disney is looking for a few good fantasy writers for their next project. I have to admit that it would be a close call between you and Stella for the position, but if I were you I would apply anyway. As far as your math skills go, you always get 100% with the new math. It is not about solving problems correctly, but how you felt about yourself in the process. In short it is misdirected energy based in fantasy. No matter how hard you try, 3 x 6 still equals 18, not 19 as you have tried to demonstrate. Hoping it so doesn’t change the fact, nor that you felt good about yourself in the process.
Now I know this is late, and I’m sure you will not take it, but here’s a piece of advice. “It is one thing to be thought a fool, but quite another to open your mouth and remove all doubt.” In short, quit before you make an even bigger fool of yourself. You are like a screen door being used for a hatch in a submarine. You wonder why you got wet and sank.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th March 2008 @ 12:54 am
My Friends…
This is just outrageous. Extan, I will thank you for a better story than the last one… or Stella did… whatever!
Stella and Co, must really really think that us members are just plain Stupid! There are so may holes in this story that it can’t even be likend to swiss cheese.
Members, if you will please take note on just a few of these statements…
1) This statement stating if we do not get paid then they do not get paid. Right! Guess if neither of us gets paid well those dollars will just have to be returned huh? Oh, yea that’s right… you are going to claim that for yourself huh?
You know you all should have learned by now that this nonsense about another bank…Now an internet bank for doodness sake, is trying to hold you down! THAT IS CRAZY! I for one cannot accept that statement. The Bogey man lurks still…
Stated was something that we need to do.. Play as a team! Yea, let’s win this game. Let’s see now…. A team plays together, shares information together. GPP looks like a one sided show. What do we have to do for participation in this game?
If this business is totally legit, then prove it! I HAVE SEEN NOTHING SHOWING ANY REAL PAPERWORK….NONE! No letterhead, no paper noly words, elusive website etc…
“Before we go further into this, let me tell you a bit more about our banking solution:”…… Every one of those answers are full of it!
Dig # 4. Why would a bank have 1 miliion dollar limitations? STRIKE 1! What bank would this debit card go through? Little jimmy’s bank of wally world? If this crappy bank cannot transfer monies properly how would it handle thousands of debit cards transferring millions? STRIKE 2
You all know… I’m almost tired of this…
Extan, ah choo… Guess I’m one of those sick people huh?
Oh Extan… what’s the deal w/ you worring about someone using up bandwidth? Does not make sense to me. Just because you are paying for bandwidth in your internet cafe’ doesn’t mean that anyone over here has to worry about it….
JH, thanks for the info… This GPP is…
My friends, please pay attention to what we jsut saw in that posting from JH. Note how disturbed extan was when this info was presented.
By the way MARCH 4th is Tomorrow! It also looks like there was no payment!!! Did I see something about March 9th? Humph…Looks like the once a month action is no longer working…. How about taking this week by week now…
I need to find somewhere to inform others who may be uninformed. I’d like to tell them of what’s happening. They could then donate to Stella’s charity if they were so inclinded also.
Oh one last thing… Why didn’t Stella thank her donators for all of that fabulous Money! That was not very nice,now was it? Surely if she telling us all of this bull, she surely could have mentioned the status of that charity.
Until tomorrow!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 4th March 2008 @ 4:08 am
“Always keep in mind – if you are not paid out we also do not get anything.” -Stella.
This one just cracked me up. I thought every member had to pay like 35€ to join. So, they made 3,5 million €. I would call that something.
Anyhow, Stellas letter to members was same kind of ranting that you hear in all the multilevel marketing-scams. Maybe GPP isn’t mlm exactly, but all the words used in promoting it are known for mlm:
-Be positive
-everybody else is jealous
-Money for nominal fee
-Make your dreams come true,blaah,blaah…
-Team spirit,yeah…
-once in lifetime opportunity,etc.
This site that extan suggested was a perfect example how to promote mlm-scams, or anykind of scam. If you take that as objective info about GPP, then you deserve to lose your money to these scammers.
To Extan(and to your many alter egos), maybe its time to leave your happy pills, and take a little bit of a realistic view. When you say that people should stay positive, What are you gonna say when this scam is exposed and peoples dreams are shattered? Probably nothing, because you don’t actually care, you’ll just continue to believe. You’ll be probably waiting for the “banking solution” until the end of time…
Comment by Rokka — 4th March 2008 @ 7:53 am
Hi Mike, for a change I’ve read through your letter, nothing else to read 🙂 . Anyway extan was not disturbed by anything, Stella had hoped that any GPP stuff should IDEALLY be for members only, makes sense, because you would not be interested to know about the bridalshop around the corner… ok maybe if they make a lot of money and you did not get any… greed stuff and oh yes those beautiful girls?
So such humans would only cause trouble, nothing positive as we can see on this blog.
I find it also interesting how todays internet people are mostly incognito, they live in a box somewhere, not coming to life ever, being REAL humans for a change. Thought I have been quite open about things, living at the southern tip of Africa and having lost nothing! Just need to be careful about Dina, the little guerrilla, who knows what she decides to do even if you are a peace loving guy?
Take care!
Comment by extan — 4th March 2008 @ 8:14 am
Oh Mike, I just thought that an intelligent blog would not need to read in the whole story every time including when you just contributed a few lines, because 99,5% of readers probably only read the last “unread” letters, makes sense, doesn’t it?
So the GPP money will surely come (End of March/April) and then I’ll buy a lazy chair and sip some sundowner in St. Tropez…. see you there crying 🙂
Comment by extan — 4th March 2008 @ 2:38 pm
Well extan,
I feel privelidged that you would take that time! In any case, what would be your response to post 325?
Let’s do away with the jealousy aspect. If I were not to make a cent on this scam, I would be so very happy for all of the members here! Mybe thay could visit you at your local internet cafe’, drink a few of your local beverages, and just have a good ole’ time… Oh yea, and enjoy some girls in the mean time. Maybe you can tell us where you are ion that southern tip of Africa. Got an address other than a P.O. Box or Fed Ex station?
When the dollars roll, we’ll all be there.
Let me make a last statement. That last paragraph describes you so well that I don’t know why you even said it! Incognito! You all or Stella and co, do not have NOT 1 actual address for anything! Don’t say anything about incognito.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 4th March 2008 @ 2:39 pm
extan,
I sounded to negative here. Sorry, enjoy your drink…
Comment by mikecheck — 4th March 2008 @ 3:13 pm
Extan,
I’ll agree with you in respect to the last few emails are the ones that are usually read. So… I’ll just reference those of consequence.
Might I ask you, as you are so confident of this payout, would you be concerned if GPP was to runaway with these considerable funds? This being used for “administrative costs or something of that nature”. If not might I also ask, What was this money supposed to be used for anyway!? I thought that it was being used to buy the policies!
Rokka, post 325… I’d say that this was an excellent observation…
Everyone please also re review post 323. Excellent point.
Again I must say to JH, thank you for getting that information in your post 311!!! Members, please enjoy this information… Oh yes, this is a secret, so keep it to yourselves! You might even be tempted not to read it. I would however, again! Oh and once again, dig that .google email address AGAIN! How professional does that sound?!?!?
LASTLY (again)…
Today’s March 4th!!!! Tell me who gets the first payout!!! It’s now past August, then November, then december then January, then Feb 28th, and did I just hear March 9th. Pehaps I’m repeating myself from a revious post, but I AM NOT WRONG about the fact that this payout has not been had by ANYONE!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 4th March 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Hi Mike and all!
I don’t base my thoughts on critical calculations but rather on how humans (and GPP) react to changing conditions. Consequently it does not make sense for GPP to run away, I think they know that they and the world will do much better to see this project through as good as they can.
I’m pretty sure all present signs are in the right direction and we just need to be a bit patient and not mess up things. Unfortunately there are always forces that feed the greed and GPP needs strong determination to succeed!
Comment by extan — 4th March 2008 @ 7:10 pm
If I understood the explanation given by GPP when this all started, your fee was an admin fee only. This fee was to pay for your “banking solution” not any policy. First, this fee could not come close to paying the first premium cost of the policy. One of the issues with your just being able to pay an admin fee, but not have to pay any premium for the policy is false. If you are having a policy issued in your name, or anyone’s name, the person in whose name the policy is issued “MUST” pay the initial premium. A third party cannot pay this first month’s premium. The policy has been issued in “YOUR NAME.” You can transfer the policy once it is “yours,” meaning it has been issued in your name, but not before. Another issues is GPP keeps interchanging Pension and Endowment in their explanataion. An endowment can be issued in a child’s name, but a pension policy cannot. There are major differences between a pension policy and an endowment policy. They are not interchangeable as GPP has presented their program. I think this is what has caused most of the confusion to the members. If they have put together a new policy that combines both elements, then they would have to register this product with every insurance regulatory agency in every country. This they have not done. In fact, they are not licensed or registered in any country to sell any kind of product.
Now the list as to why this is a scam is about a mile long by now. All the “positives” trying to make it not so will not change the fact this is a scam. What is even more interesting is in the promotion piece, if you want to call it that, states the policies will be sold by the membership “discretely” promoting it to their friends and family. Now, please tell me this has been “discretely” promoted by the membership. Makes me wonder what GPP thinks “discretely” really means. Actually it was just fluff making people feel comfortable with selling their friends and family on joining.
As to Stella’s last update. So many holes even swiss cheese could not hold a candle. In regard to Stella’s statement, and I quote: “However the established international Banking World has already reacted to these future upcoming payouts.” how does the International Banking World know about the future payouts, and the membership doesn’t? On another note, please tell me how anyone can cause any problems with a legal company, no matter how hard they may try? The claim is GPP is not legitimate. If they are, end of story with any regulatory agency or law enforcement agency taking any action to shut them down. If they are not, well a totally different story. Me thinks GPP doth protest too much.
As for this paying out in anyone’s lifetime it is nil, nada, zero, zilch and ain’t going to happen. You may be sitting in a bar having a drink extan, but you will be paying for it, not GPP. That is unless you have been paid to “promote” this scam. Then you could be buying drinks with GPP money, but that’s the only way.
Just an added thought for the membership. Were you aware by encouraging others to sign up under you in GPP you could be charged with selling unregistered securities? How many do you have in your downline extan?
Comment by EagleOne — 4th March 2008 @ 7:20 pm
OK, you may notice that I have changed the blog a little. A maximum of just 25 comments will be shown on the blog at any one time unless you choose to “Show All”.
Hopefully this will make it easier for those on dial-up connections or limited bandwidth.
Let me know if you prefer it this way or not.
Thanks, Ben
Comment by Ben — 4th March 2008 @ 9:38 pm
Is it me or have the posts gone into a reverse chronology?
Comment by zippy — 4th March 2008 @ 11:07 pm
Ben,
Is it possible to have the page set up as you did originally?
Thanks,
MikeCheck
[Edit by Ben: Just click on “Show All” and it will show all comments and sort them as they were – oldest first]
Comment by MikeCheck — 5th March 2008 @ 12:12 am
Thanks Ben this is much better, I am on a dialup. the page is a lot faster now !! Great !!
Comment by AB — 5th March 2008 @ 6:43 am
EagleOne:
Seems you are outdoing MC? 🙂 Anyway I do not unserstand what you mean, I freak out with negative, humans, I did not promote GPP, just using my “talent” to see things in proper perspective (hope), thats all, GPP will pay out! I’m sure you will not like it when they do!!! I have no downline, got sponsored by somebody else, just 55K! But my girlfriend…. hmmmm
Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 9:08 am
Thanks Ben!
Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 9:09 am
extan: Let me explain to you, since you seem to feign ingorance as to what “promote” means: To further the progress or growth of: advance; To advocate the adoption or use of; to try to sell or popularize by publicity. As to your “talent,” as you call it, you mistake talent for ignorance. It doesn’t take any “talent” to promote a scam. Someone with “talent” would have known immediately this was a scam. But nice try. As for me being disappointed, you have got to be kidding; but you on the other hand are in for a big disappointment. That is if you truly believe GPP is real. Personally I just think you “pretend” to believe it is real.
You are also wrong on your statement that I seem to be trying to out do someone. But you keep living in fantasy land, believing in the tooth fairy, and that the Easter Bunny is coming soon. As for whether or not you don’t have anyone in your downline, I really don’t care. But I find it strange for someone who doesn’t have that much vested in GPP, as you now claim, you sure try to defend it. But I love your trying to defend the indefensible. Now that is funny.
Now if you like, I can post all your “quotes” about GPP just from this thread if that will help refresh your memory. You know the ones where you were encouraging all to join, telling how great GPP is, don’t believe all the negativity people are saying about GPP; in short “promoting.” I’ll be glad to if it will help you with your memory loss. Always want to help others in need.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th March 2008 @ 11:05 am
EagleOne, sure you are a habitual trouble maker like I have never seen before, you really need help desperately, I know enough about psychology to see what is your trouble, please go for urgent help!
Nothing more to say, you do not need to remind me about anything! Just F go!
Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 11:29 am
“I don’t base my thoughts on critical calculations but rather on how humans (and GPP) react to changing conditions. Consequently it does not make sense for GPP to run away, I think they know that they and the world will do much better to see this project through as good as they can.”
– Extan
Can’t argue you with there, you surely don’t base your thoughts on critical calculations, otherwise you’d see this scam for what it is. I think con-artists behind GPP will do much better when they see this project go through and run away with few million € still left in their pockets. For the world, I wouldn’t say the same. At least 100000 people won’t be any better after this charade is through. But it’s only 35€, so in the end, it not so much only and some people just have learn their lesson. And “Stella” and friends are off to another scam.
Mark my words, sometime soon there’s going to be a request from GPP to members, to send some additional money for “transfer fees” and “banking solution”. Maybe something little, like 20€.
And there’s going to be morons who pay that and blindly continue to believe in GPP.
In my opinion, GPP is just one kind of “nigerian letter scam”: pay something, in exchange for later reward ( which are often huge, comparing to money invested).
Of course, GPPs story was little more believable, comparing to stories behind ordinary nigerian scams. I am willing to apologise to GPP and everybody that I might have hurt with my writings, if GPP is proven legit and pays out. So, can any of you GPP promoters offer any names,contact infos etc. about trust partners, pension insurance providers, banks involded in transactions, and so on?
How about it, Extan?
And just to inform everybody, I am one envious,pessimistic,,cynical,sick individual with no hope in my heart( I am just saying this to save you the trouble of calling me that, so you can actually answer to my question)
Comment by Rokka — 5th March 2008 @ 11:56 am
Hi Rokka, really I do not have any direct info about GPP, but nobody wants to understand the simple fact that human behaviour has been well studied, I think that one week in Feb. when GPP was off they must have been so pissed off with that project because of all the greedy/bullying banks etc. etc., but then it dawned on them that too much pressure would result if they actually run away… and now they are back. There are enough positive sign that appear to confirm this… even though they act utterly un-professional!
If any of you have ever done commodity trading you will have time and again met all those jerks that try and do pull the rug from under your feet, big banks are the biggest bastards as far as doing that, usually inside jobs.
Kind Regards!
Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 12:28 pm
OK….Defending financial transations with jealousy? That is one of the most rediculous things that I’ve ever heard!
Please, enough with this supposed bullying around. If GPP were so much of a “secret” in the first place, how would they even know to “have your rug pulled from under you”!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 5th March 2008 @ 12:58 pm
Extan,..how can you claim your poor trades on the banks? Honestly. I’ve been trading for 20 years, and That’s noob talk.
Stella claimed to have the banks and trust partners, all 5 of them, in her corner from the beginning. It should have been a done-deal. So, where are they?
The banks aren’t pulling the rug out. The plan is illegal and has already consisted of obvious money-laundering ploys.
Don’t blame it on the banks if the robbers can’t get into the vault!
Comment by zippy — 5th March 2008 @ 3:59 pm
Zippy and Mike, sorry I seem to use a different language because I do not understand what you appear to say. Com.-trading (not me) is trading diamonds, oil, cement, etc, so if you do not have a direct link to a supplier, you may lose your commission, whatever and simply be cut off, the other guy may be hiding somewhere so going to court may also not be a “cheap” option or he may actually be the brother of the prime minister or a big company! Since banks are also a link, often handling the contract and money, some particular banks are well known for their practice to simply taking over, after you have organised the dealit, it may be an inside job. So keep on trusting your bank, why do you think are they so powerful??? Sure you will counter me again!!
Comment by extan — 5th March 2008 @ 4:46 pm
Given that these banks are such cut-throat profiteers, they’d certainly recognize that GPP’s entire scheme relies on buying a policy at 41K and then immediately, with no increase in value, turning around and selling it to them for 120K. But then I suppose that they’re just being nice guys in this case huh? ; )
Comment by JH — 5th March 2008 @ 5:14 pm
JH,
An excellent straight to the point example. Why would any bank do such a thing?
How much sense does this make. Tell you what, you send me $100.00 today, and I’ll send you $10,000 next week.
There may be a temporary delay however… A delay like let’s say… Next month, then wait, the month after that, then wait, two weeks later, then wait, next week, no, tomorrow!!
Extan, do you understand what we are seeing, feeling?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 5th March 2008 @ 7:21 pm
In regard to this post of yours extan, and I quote: “EagleOne, sure you are a habitual trouble maker like I have never seen before, you really need help desperately, I know enough about psychology to see what is your trouble, please go for urgent help!
Nothing more to say, you do not need to remind me about anything! Just F go!” surely you jest. You know psychology, and I am the one who needs urgent help? Do you do stand-up comedy in your spare time too?
Guess I hit a nerve with you. I love how you keep misdirecting any difficult questions to something else that has no relevance to the question; but saves you from answering. Well, at least you think it does. You say and reveal far more by not answering than you would if you did. How’s that for psychology? Bummer isn’t it.
As I said before, it is so much fun reading your posts and how you tap dance around every question. Your most ridiculous statement was I am a habitual trouble maker like you have never seen. Guess you don’t get out much. Took me about 10 minutes to stop laughing on that one. As for my going away, you wish. You had better fasten your seatbelt because for you this could be a bumpy ride.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th March 2008 @ 8:15 pm
“Why would any bank do such a thing?”
Answer – they wouldn’t. And that’s the fatal flaw in ALL of these RPP deals.
Especially so in GPP’s case to the tune of doing it X 350,000 policies at a total of 42,000,000,000 Euro. Yes, that’s 42 BBBBILLION! or about $65 BILLION USD. That’s simply an absurd amount of money to begin with but even more so when you recognize that it would need to be free cash paid all at once. That alone should tell you that this deal is complete fantasy.
Comment by JH — 5th March 2008 @ 8:33 pm
extan, I am being serious here and would appreciate your honest answers to my questions. How did you go from being negative about GPP on 2/12 to a “believer” in GPP on 2/25? I know you referenced Stella’s post as being an eye opener for you, but what was the eye opener in her post for you that made you change your mind?
Comment by EagleOne — 5th March 2008 @ 9:31 pm
I just got an email from my upline with some dates.
GOOD NEWS:
GLOBAL HAS SECURED THE BANK SOLUTION AND THE SITE WILL CLOSE THE END OF MARCH.
APRIL 1, WE WILL RECEIVE INFORMATION ON WHERE TO SEND OUR DOCUMENTS
THE MEMBERSHIP HAS ONE MONTH TO COMPLETE THIS AND IN MAY ALL DOCUMENTS WILL BE IN THE HANDS OF THE INSURANCE COMPANY.
PAYOUT IS EXPECTD TO BE LATE MAY/ BEGINNING OF JUNE
Anyone else hear this info??
Comment by Magoo — 6th March 2008 @ 12:56 am
Eagle,
That is a good observation. Yes, extan what was the deal there? We are not being confrontational. I’m truly curious too.
Everyone, let’s all look at this approximation of 35 Billion dollars. Let’s think about this for a minute. 1 Billion dollars is 1 thousand Million! So we have here 42 thousand Million dollars. Do you really think that one person is handling that much money! Let’s think about the Richest people in the world. They may have this approximate worth, but they are not employing 1 person to handle finances! There are surely thousands of people handling such. —
On another note, again why would poor little Stella need aditional monies for her charity? If she is handling all or these dollars, or even the “Front man” so to speak, surely she is totally paid. What was this additonal money needed for?
Can anyone suggest to me a possible reason for a billion dollar company to engage their name, to benefit this front man?
Returning to the original question;
Why negative then Positive?
What sense does the asking for additional contracts…. 40 dollar contracts make to such a large company…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 6th March 2008 @ 1:35 am
“What sense does the asking for additional contracts…. 40 dollar contracts make to such a large company…”
Psssttt… Hey Mike… I’m going to reveal “The Secret” but you must promise NOT reveal it to anyone outside of this blog…
It’s Warren Buffet behind it. He’s blowing his whole wad on this deal in one shot but, even as the world’s richest man by the Forbes list released today, he’s only good for about $62 billion. He needs the ~$40 each to make up the difference. He’s too proud to let it be know that he’s a little short. That’s the reason for all of the secrecy.
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Comment by JH — 6th March 2008 @ 2:41 am
JH,
Thanks for the info! I’ll be sure to keep it quiet!!! I especially would not like for the jealous bankers to get a hlod of this info! They may shut us down! Hey this secret is safe with me! Tell you what, tell me which country to electronicaly send those $40 to. Our dollars should fly then!
Extan,
to your post 345, I have one word for you… WHAT? Are you actually making a statement or are you talking around in circles so much that you don’t even understand this yourself? If this is sounding negative, although extreemly dificult, I don’t want it to…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 6th March 2008 @ 4:02 am
Question to Ben:
Hi Ben, I’m bored with this comments page and have a question about one of your other Internet Schemes on your Blog. What is your E Mail address so I can ask you some questions. Thanks Sammy.
[Edit by Ben: Hi Sammy, just send me an email to the address listed here: http://www.bizoppsuk.com/feedback.php. Thanks, Ben]
Comment by SM — 6th March 2008 @ 6:33 am
JH: What incredible news. With people knowing this, why those additional 250,000 policies will all be sold in no time. Not only that, but just think of how much quicker they will resolve the banking solution issue. This will shave months off that process.
The possibilities are endless here with this news. Thanks for revealing it.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th March 2008 @ 7:45 am
Hello,Extan and greetings from snowy Finland . I do agree about that human behaviour is well studied nowadays. Of course, it really doesn’t have anything to do with topic at hand. Since you emphasize your knowledge about human psychology, try checking out Kubler-Ross model and does it apply to you? I think your in the first stage: Denial. I’m betting we’re going to see your next stage soon, which is anger. That happens when “stella” and others behind this scam pull the plug. Please enlighten me, what are the positive signs you’re talking about? Only signs that there are, are coming from Stella. So, you basically trust everything she says, has it occured to you that she might not be telling the truth? I understand your need to see positive things in other people, I think it’s a good thing. But I’ve worked in war zones and I have seen what humans can do to each other, and this scam is nothing in comparison. I think Ms. “Stella Pohjola” and others don’t give a S**t about dissapointing these people, as long as they get their money. After all, nobody knows who they are(names,nationality etc.), where they live, basically nobody knows nothing about them. They just count on the fact that people won’t start pursuing them or contact authorities over lost money, because the amount is so small. So scammers do know something about psychology as well…
Comment by Rokka — 6th March 2008 @ 7:46 am
Hi Sammy, I totally agree with you about this blog, because it really really suckssss, I can only quote Albert Einstein who said the stupidity of humans is infinite e = mc(sq) ! Talking in circuits, hi hi… I was just trying to answer Zippys question, she obviously did not know about commodity trading, selling gold and blood diamonds, E2 oil etc. And I’m not talking about illegal trading!
Your reactions just show that you do not seem have any streetwise knowledge, just your habitual negativity and utter crap! By the way about my so called change from negative to positive, I had explained it in one of my letters, but I think an average intelligent person could pick it up anyway. Happy reading EagleOne, rock on baby 🙂
Comment by extan — 6th March 2008 @ 8:01 am
Actually, Extan, E=mc(sq) was : all energy in the universe is constant, not infinite.
I know about commodity trading , dear, I find the concept of trading gold and blood diamonds (which is basically ALL diamonds except industrail dust) offensive, since they both denote the oppression of some people and the ravaging of land by big business. I also wear no gold or diamonds, nor do I buy as gifts because I am offended by them. They are the symbols of ultimate greed, where men will kill/oppress/steal from others to take ownership. And what are they? Rocks.
You’re correct, Extan, it’s not illegal trading,…it’s UNETHICAL trading. I don’t condemn the rest of the world for doing it,..most of them are not aware of the means by which those “commodities’ are wrested from the people.
I definitely don’t need to defend my ‘streetwise’ knowledge, since I can see myself, and you cannot. You sound like a bragging kid, though. You need to watch your back, because it’s cockiness like yours that gets people into trouble. Someone is not going to like your attitude and, unfortunately, you apparently are not aware that “a little learning is a dangerous thing”, meaning,-you talk about knowing human psychology, yet, I doubt you’ve had more that a freshman required course. This happens with people who take one course in psych- they think they can analyse the planet.
I am not habitually negative, by any means, as a matter of fact, I would be bery pleased to see this pay off, it would make many people happy.
HOWEVER, it will not because it is quite simply mathematically and financially impossible.
And, until “Stella” starts to pay out from the first 100,000, it is UNETHICAL and GREEDY to ask others to become members so that you can add to your “until-they-arrive” imagined referral bonuses.
Now. forget about making smart comments to confuse the rest,…do you , directly or indirectly, work for Boulat Rafikov or World Park? Yes or no?
Comment by zippy — 6th March 2008 @ 8:51 am
Hi Zippy, I liked your letter, now I know you are a women, I’m quite aware that I’m not part of this blog, this is mainly for scam lovers and they react visiously against any positive statement, they even told me it was sad that I changed from my initial stance. Actually if GPP will not pay then I’ll join to go into full gear, then it’s all about working towards a common goal and Dina will be my favourite :-)! No link to WP or BR, no clue who/what that is, I work for a Technical University, Electronics/Mechanics/Psychology/Medical. 🙁
Tomorrow I’ll be on the operating table, watching my back… actually last time they forgot to take a biopsy of a lymph node in my chest so here we come again, wasting money, no cancer suspected! ICU op may follow later, then ok again.
Kind Regards
Comment by extan — 6th March 2008 @ 9:19 am
Thank you for answering that, Extan. Although if you are from namibia I am surprised you say you do not know what World Park is, and yet you’re in GPP.
And no, I do not LOVE SCAMS. I hate to see people hurt. There are many people who scraped their money together to send in to this thing, hoping and praying for a better life. Some borrowed to buy multiple policies. I truly would like this to pay out just so that some people who are in need, could no longer be in the position, but it really isn’t possible, and it certainly irresponsible for Stella to even ALLOW purchase of policies when she/he has not paid out the first 100,000, or even the first 10!
I also really dislike lack of transparency and refusing to explain a method, this screams scam, and if it is not a scam, then it is disrespectful for Stella to assume the members are too stupid to understand. This lack of a last name or proper contact info is not acceptable.
Good luck on your surgery. You have no socialized medicine there? I’m sure that is frightening for you, ..not the surgery,..I mean, getting the bill!
Seriously, all the best on your op,…we need you to be well so you can carry on arguing!
Comment by zippy — 6th March 2008 @ 1:03 pm
Hi Zippy,
Neverland says there are now 130 000 members, good for the downlines if they pay. Have not been to Namibia since 1986, I know Etosha Pan etc, not WP? My gf bought me a membership, well if she gets her G money, something to write home about and to help needy people!! She says March is our month and I know she is right! Don’t worry too much about the un-pro stuff, they can’t even write proper English, but may still be good business people.
I have a hospital plan and there is no limit to what the doctors, etc. can gobble up. It is just having to get to sleep again and the scope down your chest gives a sore throat, they could have done it last time.
Take Care!
Comment by extan — 6th March 2008 @ 1:35 pm
“Neverland says there are now 130 000 members…”
So why then are they still taking new members?
Even if you buy their story and numbers, if the expectation is that they need more than a 30% buffer to account for people who won’t follow through, then that should tell you that’s there’s little hope that they’ll EVER get this done. At that level, the continual “turn-over” of that buffer will mean extended delays (i.e., 30% of whatever buffer will always be in doubt and need to be replenished).
Also, I thought that they had some +127,000 back in December? Again, if there’s that little net growth over 2 months, and that’s with their peak number of members to refer others, then that tells you there’s a problem in that they’re not building fast enough to continue to maintain the needed buffer (i.e., to maintain the same level, they should have over 15,000 in growth from December not only ~3,000 more).
But then it’s really not worth putting that much serious analysis into this…
Comment by JH — 6th March 2008 @ 5:30 pm
Did some clown finally say that we’d have to wait like 2 months or something to that effect? I truly cannot believe that they would have the gaul to insult us members like this… I knew that this was going to happen. In this last statement, I do not mean that I was guessing that this would happen. I truly knew that this would. February 28th has come and gone! So has March 3rd. Day that the banks opened after the Feb 28th date.
Extan, do you consider this wait to be an acceptable amount of time to wait for the pay out?
Do you think that it is ok for Stella to be putting us off?
Comment by MikeCheck — 7th March 2008 @ 2:59 am
stella your a liar…… pay out now…… prove to us ur not……
Comment by ayesa — 7th March 2008 @ 5:50 am
Hi,
Really no use to try to calculate, after GPP opened up 100K quite a number of members bought more than one additinal “reverse pension” and that gets reflected in the “growing” total saving, quite amazing how it grows, WOW dreamland, why should it if they plan to run away?
Well Mike I’m ok to wait some more, as long as they pay out, let it grow in the meantime, not mine only 55K static, TeamThemco wants to have it after April 5, I think that’s when the British tax years ends.
No food this morning, will be put to sleep only 16h (chest biopsy), will be hungry tonight 🙂
Comment by extan — 7th March 2008 @ 8:03 am
extan: Wishing you all the best with your procedure, and look forward to your return posting.
Comment by EagleOne — 7th March 2008 @ 9:55 am
Dear friends,
I was with EXTAN this evening when he came out of theatre. Still a bit dazed, but he is doing well. He sends his regards to all his friends and will hopefully be back on the blog soon to argue away once more!
Sometimes we do not realize how fortunate we are when we have good health. We work ourselves to death to get rich, and then we have to use the money to buy back our health!
Take care and God bless.
Comment by JL — 7th March 2008 @ 8:34 pm
Extan,
I hope that your prcedure went well. I know that inasive procedures can be painful. JL your comment is quite true. Health is worth much more than we often consider….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 7th March 2008 @ 9:12 pm
“He sends his regards to all his friends and will hopefully be back on the blog soon to argue away once more!”
JL, thanks for passing on the news. Please let extan know that we are looking forward to having him back safe and well on the blog.
Cheers,
Ben
Comment by Ben — 7th March 2008 @ 10:58 pm
“I was with EXTAN this evening when he came out of theatre. Still a bit dazed, but he is doing well.”
He always seemed a bit dazed. ; )
Get well soon Extan.
Comment by JH — 7th March 2008 @ 11:29 pm
So,…. What do we do now? At this point, we know nothing is to come of this program. I suppose that we can attempt to let others know that this is a waste of their money? Each dy that this does not get shut down, these clowns are making money!
As we have now seen, in the few days that we have spoken, there have been thousands of new contracts…. Now what will come of these I wonder? ANSWER: Go into these clowns’ pocket.
Might I provide a poll to see what the consensus is amongst us readers, participants?
A) Belive that this will pay out soon
B) Believe that it will pay out at some point
C) Want to believe, due to money invested
D) Think that this will not pay
E) Pretty sure that this will not pay/SCAM
I’m just curious, I’m sure that we all are and would like to know the general consensus…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 8th March 2008 @ 3:21 am
Man Stella and the never never gang kill me …my sides are hurting from laughing.
The gpp forum has nevrland posting to himself… not much going on..
march is it…we shall get paid?
Comment by Busting Gut — 8th March 2008 @ 4:49 am
Who is Neverland?
Comment by MikeCheck — 8th March 2008 @ 6:54 am
Mike: In regard to your question, and I quote: “Who is Neverland?”
My guess is Michael Jackson.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th March 2008 @ 8:03 am
Hi Again, so you want us to argue to heat up this blog ;-)? Thanks for the support!!
It seems many more are reading this blog and do not contribute, at least now we know, but the general trend appears to be utter frustration at GPP’s non-response… not paying out ASAP, etc. How can anyone be positive considering such a scenario… I think one can, as I explained before, just be patient, things will surely happen!
Just a snippet, hospital staff must had a good time,laughing, they did not give me a full anaesthetic, said just a slight dose of sleep would be ok, no problems to be expected… later they told me I was stroking the sisters softly and wanting to kiss them, one being nearly in my bed, fortunately I said JL was the best one 🙁
Well I’m still dozing, lovely dream!
Comment by extan — 8th March 2008 @ 12:05 pm
What’s wrong with you, Extan? You’re not arguing? Did they remove something while you were under? Like…… your attitude?
I’m just kidding. Glad to see you’re in good spirits. Maybe you should ask the anaesthetist who short-dosed you, if he’ll give you a “doggy bag” for the bit he owes you. LOL
Comment by zippy — 8th March 2008 @ 10:40 pm
Extan,
Again, I am glad that everything now is fine.
On another note however, waiting and being patient is like starting at square 1! How patient should we be? This is a supposed 2 year program? Well it is now about 1/2 year later! I cannot say that I know of ANY program that does not conform to it’s own policy.
Perhaps you could give us all a hit of what ever this is that the Dr’s are giving you. The rest and dreams is what a lot of members need as they are being stolen away by Stella.
This wait is unacceptable. As you have been in this program for a while, why do you think that it is ok to continue waiting for this payout? Consider this payout as being your bi-monthy paycheck. Now I don’t know about you, but if my employer would be telling me to wait and be patient for 2 yrs to get my check, I’d think that I’d be seeing the authorities. In effect I simply asking… asking us all… Would we stand for an employer to not pay us, and simply wait until whenever (or when his bank has finally found a way to send the check to us, due to some continually changeing reason)?
This example, might explain some members frustration. As for those who have been waiting for 2 yrs… This hurts me, and I have nothing to do with their finances… It’s just wrong…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th March 2008 @ 1:01 am
Mike, this GPP stuff is not your salary, I had one investment (EQUITY) that brought in more than my rotten salary and what some members can get out from GPP is more like a complete CHANGE OF LIFE, so we can wait!!!!What’s in another (GUESS)4 to 6 weeks?
No Zippy,all they removed are just a few cells fom a lymph node and t he lung, quite certain it’s sarcoids stage 1 getting cortisone in any case it should cure it soon,normally young persons get it. The sarc’s unfortunately triggerd excess blood calcium and that ultimately kills your kidneys and you, so if you ever feel funny rather go for a simple checkup!
Mike,I told the Dr that I get to sleep rather difficult, so he flushed some horrible stuff down my throat and nose, I think we should get that spray, maybe it’s dating stuff to convert to 1001 nights Don Juan’s 🙁 We really need it to get over GPP!
Comment by extan — 9th March 2008 @ 8:03 am
extan it is good to have you back and see that all went well with your procedure.
Let me give you a little different take to consider on all the delays by GPP. Instead of GPP, let’s say that you went to your local bank and they told you that if you would “invest” $40, or whatever, with them in a CD they would pay you the sum of $55,000. But they needed to have 100,000 people sign up and pay for 100,000 CD’s, but once they reached this 100,000 they would pay all in 60 days. You think this is a good deal, so you purchase a CD. They then announce they have had 100,000 sign up for the CD. Then they tell you that a few issues have come up with their accounting software, and the payment will be delayed until they can get it fixed. Just prior to the end of the 60 days they announce you can purchase more CD’s, in fact up to another 250,000 will be available for all who purchased initially. This is to compensate for the delays in paying. They then set another date for payment 60 day from this announcement.
But just before the 60 days rolls around, the bank says gee we hit a snag we hadn’t planned on, but we will continue to let you purchase more CD’s, but we cannot give you a timeline when we will be paying on the 100,000 CD’s. In fact, we will have to go month to month with any news as to when we will be able to resolve the banking issues we have unexpectedly encountered.
Now just how patient do you think people should be? Do you really believe people should not be upset or just plain mad? Do you think any rational human being would not have reported them to the authorities with all those excuses and delays?
Comment by EagleOne — 9th March 2008 @ 9:06 am
Extan,
you state that this GPP stuff is not your salary. You also state that this investment (EQUITY) will provide us with these great gains! Well, something such as a program providing this EQUITY, should be able to give us an update of hte monies being had… Their dollar status… Even anything through the e-mail DIRECTLY to the members. Not something that Stella said to everyone in some website.
I don’t know about you, but as I’d have invested in such a program, don’t you think that you could get at least an email? It’s been sent. An individual mass email should not be hard to do at all!!! … Ha, unless that is too much of a task to hit a BUTTON…Or is it that those emails have been trashed in the first place…
I’d invite GPP to send us a one line statement that ways “have a good day”! This would at least prove that the emails are at least recorded! In effect, I do not believe that there is an email data base, and if so, why has there not been ANY comunication!!!
Yes the GPP program might represent a “Change of life” But as I said earlier, it has taken a long time for this “change of life” Another 4 -6 weeks is still not acceptable…. People have been led around with this 4 – weeks for months and people who have entered the program have been waiting for years to get this payout! A respectful program would have had this all together on the FIRST day of the payout!!
Is there anyone who dissagrees?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th March 2008 @ 2:30 pm
I have to agree Mike, I was one of those that thought it was a scam,but thought what the hell, worth a try. but now i have given up hope of it paying out, whats worse is how stupid gpp seem to think we are by getting us to buy more when they cannot sort the payments for the original 100,000! And this total lack of communication and proffesionalism. however busy Stella is, it would not take long to post a small message on the forum daily to let us know what is going on. Extan, im glad you are ok, we all want this to work but i dont see it happening.
Comment by Blade68 — 9th March 2008 @ 9:54 pm
Mike: It is done this way for a purpose, and that purpose is to remain anonymous. By only having communication through an anonymous host for the website, they think they have been able to remain anonymous. If they started blasting E-mails to all, they fear they could be traced and would be exposed. Even using an anonymous E-mail host. Everyone just thinks they are dealing with a known entity, and that entity has been Stella. But you really don’t know who Stella really is, or even if she exists. You don’t even know if she is a she or a man. What is amazing is just how many people will accept doing business with a total anonymous entity, but who is going to make you rich.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th March 2008 @ 9:54 pm
Blade and Eagle,
I could not agree with you both more. Yes, GPP really thinks that we are totally stupid. Must think that we have funds to just throw in the wind. Yes, and the 100,000 as we’ve been saying… This has not been paid, so anyone coming in now in efect, are throwing dollare into their pocket. For goodness sake, what are they being told? Money right around the corner?
Being anonymous… What a great way to accept money and not have to answer for anything! I have to say, they did a job… a good one at escaping identification. Jumping around servers, email addresses and bogus internet banks.
I’d love to see some type of communication stating that I’m wrong, but it’s not happening.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 10th March 2008 @ 3:16 am
Yes, it is about time for GPP to respond with a few lines, we need to be reassures, it smells of unprofessionl conduct! Stella must be so busy that she does not notice all the flies humming around her head 🙂 .
Not much else can be said, Neverland lets a few people write on their website, maybe relieving their frustration. Surely GPP can contact the “bank solution” I guess in Kuala Lumpur and get an estimated time scale and inform us ASAP!
Mike about my equity investment, it is with a local (very smart) private company started 1974, they have a selection of profitable company (commercial, industrial, financials) shares and did extremely well (better than most) until mid last year (typically 50%+ per year) but as you know the share market is currently in the doldrums, nothing moves!
I think GPP reads this blog, just watch, I guess they will get our hints!
Comment by extan — 10th March 2008 @ 9:29 am
Well, if GPP is truly seeking a banking solution in Malaysia, then the latest elections do not bode well for them receiving it anytime soon. Major losses by the ruling party of the last 20 or so years, and you will basically have a new government coalition in order to get anything done. What will happen is truly up in the air right now, as no-one really knows what all this means to government, the economy, and the financial markets. It is going to take some time before this cloud disappears.
Having said that, I still don’t believe they are looking for any banking solution. This was just a means to raise more money without having to pay anything out. Think about this for just a moment. Let’s assume they really are working on a banking solution. Then why haven’t they provided the contact information for all those documents to be sent. Doesn’t it stand to reason that while they are working on the banking solution they should be having all those documents submitted? This would give them plenty of time to weed out those that didn’t qualify, and be ready when the banking solution does come. Instead you have total silence, but the good news is you can still purchase more policies. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 10th March 2008 @ 7:37 pm
The “email to all members” has been suspended on GPP’s site, I wonder why! Also i cannot contact gpp, the page times out. this is ridiculous. please dont anybody send them more money! they have allready had enough!
Comment by Blade68 — 10th March 2008 @ 9:04 pm
I finally got an email off to gpp,
Hi, What is going on? everyone is saying this is a scam. Why no contact? However busy you are you could surely spend 5 minutes a day to post something on the forum. Why are you still selling policies when the first 100000 have not been paid? If the payment is not sorted out then you should not be selling any more policies. straight answers would be appreciated.
Comment by Blade68 — 10th March 2008 @ 9:10 pm
Does anyone know what happened to moneymakergroup forum on GGP? It kept me busy while waiting for payment – sad girl. This forum may do the trick. It is lonely to be the only one around who believes that they will pay.
Comment by Mrs Jones — 10th March 2008 @ 10:18 pm
Blade,
I must say that this is a truly sad situation. Now how can a Billion dollar company have a suspended email? Wendy’s burgers are not a billion dollar business, but I’ll bet that you’d never catch their server down! Now how many times has it happened here? Again, the email… Ha! That is simply rediculous! Members, I’d be willing to bet that they have no idea of what most of our emails are. If so… Well let’s put it this way… Has there been ANY corespondance from them to your email? I’m curious… Anything sent directly to you!?
I’ll tell you, I cannot wait to find out the response that you are given! If you get one that is… Good msg. that you sent!
Everyone,
I’m afraid that we are about to be left holding the bag. I’d say that the only solution that these clowns are looking for is to how they will break camp! Soon to be off to a new scam I’m sure. I’ll bet that they will milk this to the very end. If money continues to fall into their hands for free, why not huh? A good scam GPP. Yes a good one.
Stella is surely a busy one. Busy doing exactly what though… Has she ever said what she does exactly? I’d say no, other than some undiscriptive bull. Has anthing ever been said, other than “it’s coming, wait and be calm, next month, be patient, banking solution, etc”. I’ll tell you the list goes on and on! At the same time never saying one complete scentence about the status, or what is trully going on w/ our money. Well maybe not all of it, but we did find out that GPP or whoever is playing the FOREX market, having fun trading currencies, trying to make money for….NOT US, but for themselves!
Yes, we have been taken for a ride in a virtual truck, with a virtual business.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 10th March 2008 @ 11:51 pm
Do not despair, MikeCheck. There are people/entities, with verifiable addresses and phone numbers, who are attached physically and financially to Stella.
They’ve been in GPP since it hit the internet, and simply say they “found” this opportunity.
But, I am sure you see, they did not “find” GPP. …they were the “cheerleaders”.
I’m not talking about naive individuals who come out to defend a cause they half-understand.
Just those “in it from the beginning” pimps who also have a stake in the continued flow of cash.
Also, Western Union has to have info on the recipients of the moneygrams, and there is a mail drop box for First Oceanic Bank in Camden town, London, that, no doubt, has had a surveillance camera on it for sometime, in order to transfer those funds to it’s Somalian “parent bank”.
So, while Stella may be anonymous, there are a lot of loose ends which are not, and within those loose ends, no doubt, are more “loose ends”.
Comment by zippy — 11th March 2008 @ 2:14 am
Zippy,
Those are absolutely excellent points! I have got to say that I suspected that these chearleaders, if you will, were in it from the inception! You hit the head of the nail when you metioned the fact that these guys seemed to have fallen out of the sky to tell of their great find!
As for Western Union, I gave thought to being able to get them with this obtaining of monies for their fradulent purposes. Once overseas however, do we loose the ability to prosecute?
Like I mentioned, these internet banks that allow for ONLY one way transactions are something people do not realize. Try to get your funds back, even if it was a mistake! NOT happenin’.
Excellent points once again… I hope to see these loose ends get tied up at some point, to trip these clowns!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 11th March 2008 @ 3:19 am
Has anyone noticed a large influx of scam emails within the last couple of weeks. I have been getting anywhere from 5-10 per day. My question is, is it possible that GPP sold our email accounts to these scam web sites????????????????????????/
Comment by Mred — 11th March 2008 @ 3:44 am
No, MikeCheck, all western union offices are required to observe International anti-money laundering laws. In fact, all financial institutions within countries who are signed to the United Nations AML pact. (Which is EXPRESSLY why “Stella” requested payments to be broken up and sent to the 3 different names in Estonia – to avoid setting off the AML bells at Western Union. Western Union is still required to have pick up info for each money order.
In addition, I am under the impression that Western Union was also one of the payment systems which introduced cameras in their facilities. I can’t see this being different in Estonia, cameras are cheap, disc-space for storage of those documents is cheap as well.
As for the mail-drop in London, someone had to pay rent for it. There may or may not be a trail there, but a good part of London is covered by street-cams. Also, the same address is used as a mail-drop for several other “businesses”, so the “bank official” may also be running a “travel agency,etc.” from the same address.
Considering these two items are from the actual site itself, there’s absolutely no doubt that they are leading to “Stella”.
In addition, we have Stella’s favourite fake charity, with several names, phone numbers, and undeniable affiliations.
That’s just for starters.
I guess you’ll have to wait until people start complaining to authorities, though. Most of the complaints have been in the form of members asking their banks about depositing the return money. Should the money actually turn up in someone’s account (which I doubt), with an unacceptable explanation; the banks are required to notify Fincen or Interpol.
Now, were this LEGAL, there would be no problem, given that the incoming money transfer would have a point of origin and an explanation,..such as – Origin: Lloyd’s Bank, London, account number – 2345432 – $55,000.00 cash value for for Traded Endowment policy, instrument number XYZ 123456. The bank contacts Lloyd’s and everybody sees that it’s all legal. Then, the gov’t knows you owe them some tax money, but,…so what? If the gov’t takes 40%,..is that really a problem? If you were ‘only’ getting $30K instead of $55K because it was done legally and the tax-man grabbed his chunk, is it a big deal?
But, it’s the reason Stella is using to rationalize looking for a “banking solution”. Or, rather, the reason the members are getting for the delay. Not the real reason, – which is, there is no such thing, you’ve been scammed, and we’d like to continue this scam until we’ve milked this money-cow for every last drop.
Comment by zippy — 11th March 2008 @ 6:27 am
You know all these hackers (crackers) from Estonia, at least I’m so glad to get some software for free…
Anyway, Zippy, they cannot run away, 130 000 or a few less (and their friends, contacts families) on their heels, they’ll surely go up in smoke if they do not deliver! Sure they have to place some lines on GPP’s site soon, everyone is wearing thin.
Comment by extan — 11th March 2008 @ 9:16 am
I joined GPP some time ago and have always read the comments here. None of us knows whether anything is genuine or not. Just a spot of hope, I have never sold it as anything but a gamble. There do seem to be a lot of similar offers around. World Pension Plus, Excel Prestige, Imperia Invest and probably others. Just wondered if you had any thoughts on these as well?
Angie
Comment by Angie — 11th March 2008 @ 4:22 pm
Angie – All of these RPPs are scams. The numbers don’t work for any of them and there are no real companies behind them as they represent. They’re all run by a couple of guys who put up not very well done web sites and told a BS story to go with it to lure people into sending them money.
For World Pension Plus it appears to be a small-time MLM players in the UK and Australia. For Royal Pension Plan, it looks to be a guy in Malaysia. MEGA Pension Plan looks like another in a long list of online investment scams from Warren English. The same applies in the case of GPP and it won’t be long before the individuals behind it also are identified.
Save your money. None of these have ever paid, the numbers don’t work, many have already scammed out and disappeared, and not a one will ever pay because they’re not real in any way. It’s not a gamble, it’s a sucker’s bet that you have zero chance of winning.
Comment by JH — 11th March 2008 @ 9:27 pm
Angie: Sorry, but I do have to disagree with your statement that, and I quote: “None of us knows whether anything is genuine or not.” Yes we can and do know if something is genuine or not. All it takes is a little due diligence. Instead we get caught up in the hype, and throw all common sense out the window. We are too lazy to do any real work of our own to see if it is possible, but instead rely on other’s opinions and promotion. We believe because someone says it is real, then it must be real. Ever notice how almost always it is someone who says they know someone, who knows someone who vouches for the program; but it is never the person actually trying to get you to join that knows the “someone” who said this is real? I hope that made sense. Put another way, it is always a third person who is the one who claims this is real because they know someone who has been paid from a previous program, etc., but never the person who wants you to join. Hopefully that was a clearer explanation.
There are just too many people looking for a quick and easy buck that requires no work, and for a little amount of money will return thousands. The scammers know this, and thus why it is so easy to steal from so many. Don’t you think that if it was really that easy, then everyone would be doing it?
Comment by EagleOne — 11th March 2008 @ 9:44 pm
I like the way neverland post all the member reactions under his user name…LOL this is just too funny
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neverland
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Posted: Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Dear All of You,
I am Hilde M.Makkinje and I am a Business Partner with Bob Proctor and I would like to share some of the knowledge I have and which I am teaching to others.
We all waiting for Pay Out and I am sure that that will be the case soon, and all though you might not be happy with the fact everything takes a little longer, there is something really important I would like to share with you and hopefully you start to work with it.. Until the payment has manifested in physical form..
When you are in a Dark room, you don’t see anything… Until you switch the light on, then the room is visible, the room looks different. Imagine this would be a 7 watt light ball. You’ll see some light, but just too little to see everything really clear. When we change the Light ball to a 100 watt light ball, the room will look brighter, more enlightened and you’ll see clearly All details.. It’s still the same room. What make it different? The Energy is the Same, it’s infinite and unlimited. That was the case with the 7 watt light ball, and it’s still the case with the 100 watt light ball.. The difference is the Body through which the energy is floating.. Does that make sense? You can compare it with the Level of Awareness one has, when one has the Level of Awareness of a 7 watt Light Ball one will see less things then when one has the level of Awareness of a 100 watt light ball
When we all keep the image in mind that we are already paid, Yes, Like it already is a FACT. You see, we think in pictures, we become what we think about and as a man thinket so he is. What we have in our mind will become our reality. The world we live in, is a world that acts through vibration.
When we focus on that one picture in our mind, that we are all longing for, we can change our awareness from being the 7 watt light ball to the 100 watt light ball. We are always in connection with the infinite source, but it’s our mind that will accept or reject idea’s and thoughts. It’s our subconscious mind that plays the crew, it will do everything that the conscious mind tells it to do, you will not be aware of it. So it’s utterly important at this stage to keep the picture in mind like we already have received payment.
You can compare this with a NON-Physical Seed. From every physical seed we know the gestation period, but when we speak of non physical seeds, we have to make intelligent guesses because we don’t know. The only thing we can do, is keep the picture in mind of what we desire or the picture of our worthy ideal or in this case; the picture that we already have been paid..
Wishing You All a Wonderful Night, a Night Full of Wonders
Keep Your Dreams Alive.. Don’t let them Steal away by Fools
With Love, Light & a Lot of Laughter
Hilde M.Makkinje
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Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 1:45 pm Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Hi friends !
I saw a message at GPP forum from Hilde Makkinje.
Actullay im also educated by this great man from Canada , Mr Bob Proctor
and by my mentor here in Sweden , MrThomas Martinsson
Following are something i really want to share with you folks:
Its a absoultely must for a humanbeen to first programme mentally before we can make it fysicly.
Vincent Van Gogh a worldknown artist/painter was asked how he was able to paint wonderful motives,he answered : “Im dreaming my motives and after that i paint my dreams”.Means he saw the pic in his brain and then made a copy on the board.
(the trueth is that there are no original Van Gogh paintings
ever sold)
To belive in things which you can fysicly touch is not at all to belive.But belive in something which you cant see is a Gods blessing. To belive in something invisible and to belive in something overweld.This belife makes you achive all you desire about,which are impossible for the mass.
Tuff times are not lasting but Tuff guys(people) are.
There are 2 important things for people to be aware off :
1) For the rich people to look how the poor people are living
2) For the poor people to look how the rich people are working
The core of knowledge is to own it and to use it.
If you search for the good in people they will discover the very best in you.
Firendship is like a bankaccount You cant take out before you put inside at first.
All a human manage to achieve and all we dont achive is a direct result of our thoughts. If one door is closed for us there are lot of new doors opend,Unfortunately mostly ,we put focus on the closed dorrs instead of opening our eyse and see all the wonderful openings and doors which is wide open just infront of us.
No humans has ever been honored for what they achieved
The honor became a result of what they gave
96% of our population
has 2 big lacks in their lives
TIME & MONEY
There are 4 categories of people:
1) thouse who make bad money and work day and night
(they have neither time or money)
2) Thouse who make big money but work day and night
(what they do with the money ? when dont have time )
3) The unemployeed (pleanty of time , but no money)
4 Thouse who have both
Which category do you want to be?
GPP
gives us both TIME and MONEY !
Stay focused and have patience
we are going to succed
regards
Username
foj
Sweden
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Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2008 11:39 am Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Hi Neverland,
I have read with interest the two recent postings on the General Discussion Forum from Hilde and Foj. However, I don’t find these communications helpful, it is through hard work and committment that the Programme will succeed and it is not appropraite for us to be distracted by communications which preach ethereal “Life Style” practices.
We must appreciate that at the moment there are a large number of us who are eagerly waiting for the Programe to move forward, and whilst also, we all have to work collectively to bring it to a satisfactory conclusion, it means we must therefore all be vigilant and keep our focus on being ready and prepared for the next steps. The communications we get now must be related to real positive steps that Programme Members must be preparing to take and in our individual groups we should be working with both our up and downlines to make sure that as many people as possible are actively and regularly being prepared for this.
Please, no more communications which don’t proactively move us forward, otherwise we risk loosing focus and distracting people from the main objectives!
Regards to All
Ray
Remark from Neverland:
Thank you for your opinion. You are right, members definitely have to DO the correct actions like filling out the agreement and making copies of their ID documents and keep themselves updated in the forum once the address is given out. However, some positive thoughts can only be helpful to all of us as many, many things are being caused in the spiritual universe. As with so many things in life, the truth is definitely somewhere in the middle. As we have received lots of positive comments on providing a place for personal opinions of members, we will keep this section open. 130.000 members will never have ONE opinion about things. But he is a very wise man who lets the others have their own viewpoint and does not have to fight it.
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:28 am Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Hello Neverland,
I have been reading all of the new positive thinking updates in the forum,
I do not see where applying the secret through Bob Procter is so bad, it is something everyone should apply to every day living. I do agree with ray that everyone should be ready when address is given, but like you said with all the force in the universe, we all need to apply positive thinking. I know there are a lot of us, ok all of us who are eager to see GPP finalized and all of us paid, but I am sure with all of the delays time and time again some are getting mad and frustrated, and do not want to hear or see positive thinking, but that is where we all need to be, to make this work, we can not afford for any negativity at all. We all need to keep the visualization of finally getting paid alive.
Every man is entitled to there opinion, but it is true every one has a different opinion, no one opinion is right or wrong, we are all right and everyone deserves to be heard.
To all, keep your chins up and stay focused and positive I am sure it won’t be long until we are all so very blessed.
Sincerely,
Thoughts become things!!!
Kristi(jksmith22)
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:43 am Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Hello Neverland:
I have read the message from Ray dated March 5 and your answer,
And I totally agree with you.
I Ready assiduously everything related to the Law on Attraction and so jealously guarded secret was revealed to us today and I firmly believe that if we do not create in our minds the first things deseandolas with all the soul, putting in everything we do our best more positive thoughts and things did not materialize.
First think and say and all this will be what you have in your life, today, tomorrow and past.
It is therefore important to monitor our networks, which do the right thing, but also teach them to think correctly, teach them that negative emotions will lead to similar situations, teach them that patience is cultivated in the minds, but when we think about things more negative of this we are going to have.
We all know that if we record in a program such features as GPP must follow the rules and conditions, put their profiles a day, watching your website and the forum once a day, but what we know is that not all of the largest and hard work are doing what Stella and his team as well as your Neverland and all those with large networks, and instead of helping you with a frank and loyal support and instill animos we are doing everything to reves, giving problems speaking and elsewhere what not to.
I firmly believe that GPP came to a successful conclusion and that we will soon have the best of news: the best solution bank, because I know my money is deposited in a bank, just missing it takes.
I am from Argentina is my English translator automatic pardon for that.
A huge welcome and much success to you Neverland
A big hug to all and will see you soon!
Regards
Olga Balvidares
User: negocioenred
Buenos Aires – Argentina
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Posted: Thu Mar 06, 2008 4:58 pm Post subject: Members speaking out!
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Greetings Neverland and members:
I have waited quietly in the background for some time now, reading the forum with interest and sometimes with amusement. Now, I feel it is time to speak up and hope that, in so doing, I can help those who are losing their faith in us.
My background is in corporate finance, having worked in that capacity for over 30 years. I have been a part of major acquisitions, investments, and various banking decisions over the years. All that is said to let you know that I understand the complexity of the financial venture that we have undertaken with Global and in turn, they with the Trust Partners.
What many of you do not understand is the fact that in financial ventures, such as this one, many variables come into play during the course of it’s development. Unforseen “speed bumps” occur which must be overcome. This does not in any way suggest that trickery or fraudulent activity is going on. It simply means that in the financial world, all is not smooth sailing.
While others write in the forum about faith, trust, and spiritual powers, which are all good to have, I use those means in concert with my knowledge of financial matters. The bottom line is this: Global WILL succeed but we all need to calm down and let Stella, Neverland, and their team reach the conclusion we all wait for. It WILL happen and my prayer for all of you is that you will look back on this as learning experience into a world that may be new for many of you.
Peace and love to you all.
wayneloneger
Comment by Busting Gut — 11th March 2008 @ 10:48 pm
To those who are GPP members, aren’t you guys NOT supposed to be publishing things from the GPP website or you lose membership?
Comment by jmal — 12th March 2008 @ 1:39 am
Busting,
This is one of the biggest piles of bull that I have ever seen! This clown is actually haveing a serious philosophical conversation with himself! I have got to say, that this is funny! Of course insulting at the same time! We are not the dopes that they hope that we are…
Now let me ask, what should a darkroom have to do with our money! We aren’t down to take a photo! We are looking to see an investment growing!
What we see here is: Wait for the prize, it’s around the corner, let’s not allow for people to express an opinion other than good feelings and provide a forum to cheat others out of their money!
This non answer double talk is infuriating!
Angie, it is unfortunate, but I must also agree w/ posts 397 and 398. This cannot be anything more than a scam. This cow has been milked! Still a little left seemingly… Unfortunate.
Mred,
You know I had not thought of this (I suppose that I should have) but the emails very well could have been sold! Anything to make a dollar! Looks like the emails actually could have been saved! Only to make a dollar of course, not to provide anyone with any valued information. Curious… Anyone else experiencing this?
Oh yes my friends,
I was looking at the Today show ( a mornig news show, for those in another country). Spoken of today was information referring to retirement scams. Scams, Scams, Scams!!! They are out all over the place promising great gains, and related. In the situations spoken of was taking retirement monies from people who have worked all of their lives, and in effect, tying it up for up to 15 yrs! Some people would be approx 90 before the could use it! That is so very wrong to take advantage of people like that. That is nothing more than stealing!! Similar to this. They actually had paperwork however. Not to say that this is good, but we have never seen ANY documentation anywhere!
Zippy, you are on top of things… Very impressed w/ your findings and resarch.
These clowns anger me so much in respect to stealing monies…
Oh yea, that statement about knowing this info about this program from a friend of friend… A very interesting and quite true statement. Where, who initiated this bogus info? Surely the scammers!
Let me end as Stella would:
Peace of mind in the photography lab will provide good fortune, provided that my charity continues providing me a frutful bounty. The rains fall mainly in Spain. Dreams can be had if you just wait 10 more years (no, I mean next month)…
All of these pretty words and statements NOTHING BUT BULL! If you’ve noted, and I’m sure that we all have, this says NOTHING about any financial actions.
If only we can find them! They surely need to select a prison to enjoy thier fine drinks and women as some of the hypers state…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 12th March 2008 @ 4:11 am
This is one of the financial “gurus” from “The Secret” along with Bob Proctor who Neverland and Hilde and the rest of the GPP MLM crew put their faith in:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=icklckUsOGM&feature=related
Judge for yourself. There are several parts in a series that just get worse with each one.
BTW, Proctor now is suing Schirmer and a few of the others featured for fraud and Schirmer has made similar accusations about Proctor. All of which are done in a very positive self-visualizing way way I’m sure. lol
“Neverland” effectively gives away that this is all BS by his own posts. Do you really think that a serious company doing a +$60 billion dollar deal would be posting this kind of stuff on its site? Get real. lol This is a joke.
Comment by JH — 12th March 2008 @ 5:00 am
My sides still hurt from laughing so hard at those posts by Neverland. At least he is using the proper moniker, for he is in neverland. What a joke wayneloneger is trying to pass himself off as someone who has worked in corporate finance for 30 years. Of course he can say it, but his post proved it was all a lie. Figured it was about time for the cheerleaders to come out and try to calm the members with all these so-called “experts” that know this is real, and all you have to do is just be patient a little while longer crap.
The sad part is some will fall for this drivel. Wonder what will happen when they find out that David and Bob are all under investigation. Guess they attracted the law of negativity, but how can this be? They were all about “positive thinking.” It won’t be much longer before “the secret” and all those preaching it will be busted. Then I wonder what excuse they will give for being busted. Now that is going to be really interesting to hear them explain. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 12th March 2008 @ 5:19 am
I laughed my head off. Here’s “Hilda”, apparently one of those referral slime that keeps sending her unsolicited spam to everyody’s mailbox! She’s found the money tree, alright!!
Have a gander,…if you haven’t already!
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Hilde+Makkinje.&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 7:54 am
In fact, here are some treasured words from Hilde, from http://www.scampas.com:
“I don’t believe in ’so called’’ opportunity’s where the money shows up like out of nothing, because nothing comes like that..But fact is that a lot of people get themselves into buying things they don’t understand and they never will because of the simple fact they only have dollar signs in their eyes..”
Really, Hilde? What about the “Secret”, and all that Proctor crap? Aren’y you expecting this money to show up out of nothing?
Hypocrit.
And, oh,…what a surprise!
Olga Balvidares does the same thing only in Portuguese. She’s the Brazilian Hilde!
http://www.google.ca/search?q=Olga+Balvidares&btnG=Search&hl=en
Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 8:05 am
Whatever has been said since yesterday, hope that positive results will somehow show up, not being ignorant for a second. I’ve mailed GPP, will see how things go.
Take for an example Zimbabwe, former breadbasket of Africa, now run down like no other country just because of one negative operator. Now one can only hope that the new (young) guy from inside the ruling party gets voted in, incredible clever/positive guy in the class of guys like Cyril Ramaposa, he will surely pick up the country in no time, just needs to be supported! They try to get him to say negative things and he simply talks them under the table.
Good luck with tracing the baddies, must say Hilde is pretty, guess that helps with a scam!
Comment by extan — 12th March 2008 @ 9:22 am
I don’t believe waynelonegar exists, because a 30 year financial professional would probably know how to type his own name. A REAL professional would, if he was using his real name,(even if he uses it as a username) be quite proud and would make sure his name was out front and comprehensible. (as in : Wayne Lonegar,…not waynelonegar).
All this appears to me, is that neverland has kindly given us his alias’ in Olga and Hilde. Or, maybe they are his “sisters” and he’s Cinderella.
At any rate, judging from the track record of these two “marketing professionals”, I’d hazard a bet that these are,…Neverland himself (or close enough to find him with.)
Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 9:31 am
Sorry, i was mistaken. Olga isn’t from Brazil, alone. She’s also from Spain, Argentina, and Australia. Gets around almost as much as Stella!
Would probably help her appear to be credible if she could pick a country for all of her websites, unless of course, she owns several homes or lives on a ship!
The problem is, people like Olga and Hilde don’t care what they’re selling or who they sell to,..they just want the money. It’s thoroughly evident when you look at the crap they are selling.
Neverland must have asked for some testimonials to keep the peace. How despicable!
BTW, Proctor just used Napoleon Hill and Dale Carnegie’s books to make a movie and MAKE MONEY for HIMSELF! There’s nothing new in the “secret”. He didn’t invent it. It was all available (in their books)about 40 years ago (or more). Proctor is having a great time imagining he’s invented a new ‘religion’.
I’m all for positive thinking, but, there is a point when you realizethat even happy, optimistic people get scammed!
Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 10:43 am
How does one find out about the origins of any program on the web? I mean how do you know it’s guy from Malaysia or another Warren English scam? In the case of most RPP’s – are such things known of in the financial world at all? One person I know wanted to join one of them because she knew all about them and thought they were an excellent long term investment for insurance companies, and people joining should be happy to get a payoff so early. All too good to be true? There are a few really big hitters (they are called) who are promoting pretty heavily. But there is no money in it for them either if none pays out.
So if they know so much (I presume heavy hitters know most things) why do they do it?
Angie
Comment by Angie — 12th March 2008 @ 5:33 pm
Extan,
Let us know if you get a reply from GPP, i havn’t had one yet! (don’t really expect to either!) At least we have a couple of names to start off with now (Hilda and Olga) its a start!
Comment by Blade68 — 12th March 2008 @ 6:39 pm
Angie – It varies depending on what information is available. Most of don’t give any substantive information that you can use to do any real “due dilligence” and basing anything on what they say themselves is kind of pointless. Mostly it’s by mistakes they make at various points where they leave some piece of information that you can use to trace things further. In the case of those that I mentioned they were sloppy and left files on their servers that I could see and use to trace back to specific individuals. In the case of English, he’s well known and he promotes his program through his newsletter and uses the same address (drop box of course) that he’s used for others. If you know him and his past, then you know it’s not real. And GPP’s made a few of their own.
As far as promoters, in most cases they probably don’t know or really care and in some cases may believe it. If there’s a shot to make a buck, then they’ll promote it. It costs basically nothing to do it, so what the heck. Not like most of them have any good reputations to maintain. ; ) In some cases they do know and are just acting as shills and are directly associated or paid otherwise.
And yes they’re all too good to be true. All rely on selling a policy that they buy for $N with a market value of $N immediately with no increase in value to another party for 3 times $N. No bank or investment company will do that espcially for the trivial return they’d get (~1.2% effective APR) and less believeable when it’s times 350,000 policies and a total of $60 billion dollars in the case of GPP.
Comment by JH — 12th March 2008 @ 6:45 pm
Angie, I wish “google” would put instructions for this on their first page.
If you’re talking about basic “due diligence”, google is your tool.
You want to find a “whois” and try a few to get varying degrees of licencing information.
If there is no info,..don’t do it. If the phone number doesn’t add up,..don’t do it. If the address looks funny, copy/paste it into your google bar and see how many other businesses are using the same address. A lot of use means it is likely NOT an office, but a mail-drop.
See how many other sites this person is hooked-up with. Type their name into google, and see what happens. (Not all ppl have uncommon names though, so you have to pick through and find the right ones, or add a distinctive keyword to your search.
There are many opportunities out there, and a number of the crooked ones still use real names and/or addresses, Phone numbers are immaterial anymore because I could get a phone number through Skype that “places” me in Hong Kong (and I can answer that phone, too) ut I’m really in Paris.
But, starting out with no names, no address, is just a big red flag. Phrases like “under the radar” scream, “We’re doing something illegal, and we need you to do this illegal thing WITH us”, which of course, makes members into accomplices.
The commercial side of the internet is not a safe place. So, if the thing you’re checking out does not have , SOMEWHERE, a real live person you can actually touch, or a real brick building, or a real address where people can be located, and not just a mail-drop, ….steer clear.
Comment by zippy — 12th March 2008 @ 8:48 pm
What has really bothered me the most about these posts that neverland used trying to calm everyone down wasn’t really the posts themselves. What really bothered me was what the people behind GPP really think about their membership. They are laughing in your face, and many of you don’t even get it or know it. They think you are the most gullible, ignorant, stupid group of people on the planet; and will fall for and believe any “information” they post. To be honest, anyone joining this was gullible, but they are now trying to take this to a whole new level of meaning.
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but this was, nor ever has been, about the membership or RPP’s. This has, and always was, about the money. They have it, and you don’t; and you willingly gave it to them without doing any due diligence. But it was only $40 you say, I spend more than that on lottery tickets you say, it was worth the gamble because it didn’t cost that much you say; and they knew what you would say, and they purposely kept the dollar amount low so you would join for those very reasons. Hard to file a complaint over $40 isn’t it. That’s what they counted on, and they were right. Well, at least so far.
But if you can get a couple hundred of you, or more, from one country or state to join forces you can file a class action lawsuit. Then it isn’t just $40 any more is it. Just a thought for all of you to consider when the time comes, and the time will come for you to consider it.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th March 2008 @ 9:47 pm
Eagle,
I agree. They take us to be a fool. Sure they’ll give up $40… Too much trouble to chase behind for that small amount of money. These clowns have a real racket going on here. Thy would not still be around if the dollars still continued to come in… I wonder how much money they made today? Yes, those little $40’s add up…add up fast too….
Members,
I wanted to make note… If you are interested in the understanding of schemes such as this one please view the following website provided by zippy. Unfortunate at how very many scams there are. So very very many! I’ll tell you, I may not be able to stop their stealing, but I hope that I can put a dent into this GPP plan! This site will show how these scams defraud good citizens as ourselves.
PLEASE VIEW…
http://www.scampas.com
Asking one to give up hope? No I am not. At the same time however, we must be realistic. No information, No names, No phone number, No communication (at least no direct communication that is of any value), and No status of funds = No money in our pockets!!!!!!!
I would so like to shut this down, not before we could jail these scammers however….
Stella & Co, if you tink that thee words are negative towards GPP, then you’d be right! If she’s not off on vacation, I really expect not to hear from her. Then again, why go on vacation when you are doing nothing but accepting others hard earned money for doing practically nothing except establishing a scam!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 13th March 2008 @ 12:47 am
Hi Blade68,
You are right, I will not get an answer from GPP! I sent the following letter to gpp.forum@googlemail.com , we should start to hammer them, then maybe they will wake up, I guess waiting time is up, they need to communicate ASAP.
“Dear Madam/Sir,
I am one of those who wants to be POSITIVE about your “project” I contribute regularly mostly positive stuff to the UK Buz.
But I have time and again said and everyone agrees that GPP’s conduct is utterly unprofessional, your incognito and non-communicating conduct damages your image like nothing else, you really should come out REGULARLY with a few lines (progress update) on the forum to reassure members of your commitment, NO MATTER HOW BUSY YOU APPEAR TO BE!
You should be aware that if you decide to take 130K members and their friends and contacts for a ride, then there will be no place to hide!!!! You play with fire, some may already be so furious that they take the law into their own hands!!
Kind Regards
Comment by extan — 13th March 2008 @ 8:52 am
your comments give much food for thought. I am still puzzled as to why a scammer carries on so long and therefore risks being exposed, when it would have been easy to fly with the huge amount of members money many times. Why don’t they allay fears by keeping well in touch on their forum? Wouldn’t a really good scammer do everything possible to look kosher? Like answering mails (which GPP doesn’t) and keep the membership from worrying and thereby spreading rumours etc? Has anyone ever made real money from a good web opportunity? Are there any honest people left? I am very sad this morning.
Comment by Angie — 13th March 2008 @ 10:29 am
Angie, you said:
“…I am still puzzled as to why a scammer carries on so long and therefore risks being exposed…”
If I was a lawyer, or a law enforcement agent, or somebody who wished to catch the people behind the Global Pension Plan, I would first go and talk to the following people:
Inara Astica, Oksana Snetkova and Ivita Vingra
The first place I would look would be the following address:
Gertrudes 15-31/35, Riga , Latvia
These three people (probably aliases) are the people who “Stella” asked GPP members to send money to via Western Union back in May 2007.
See comment 5 on http://bizoppsuk.com/gpp_comments.php
I’d also go and look here:
“First Oceanic Trust”
BCM Drawbridge House
27 Old Gloucester Street
London WC1N 3XX
England
However, there is very little chance that you’ll ever get any money back from this particular “scheme”.
As JH and EagleOne pointed out so well, this was an easy scam to pull as everyone is happy to risk a relatively small amount of money such as $40…
Comment by Ben — 13th March 2008 @ 10:48 am
Angie, yes how stupid can GPP really be, nobody would conduct a scam like that, but maybe that’s why they precisely operate like this?!
They would do good to tell us why!
Comment by extan — 13th March 2008 @ 1:37 pm
I still have not heard from GPP, I went to the forum and went to PM neverland, and guess what….. “private messaging has been disabled” !!! Maybe the game is finally up! no posts for 7 days! Time to start some action people, we need to unite to get them.
Comment by Blade68 — 13th March 2008 @ 6:21 pm
This whole scam is based on psychology.
Many people are embarrassed to admit they have been scammed. Many people may be afraid to admit that they sent money orders to unknown persons in Estonia. Many would be embarrassed that they got involved at all, and GPP(stella) knows this.
How many people will report that they lost $40.?
How far will it go when police are told that you gave $40. to a person named “Stella” who has no last name, no address, and no phone number?
When you tell the authorities, “But they collected $40 from 130,000 people!!”, and they respond with “Where are the other 129,999?”.
GPP knows this. That’s why they have your money and you don’t know what to do.
The scammers are clever, but, never as clever as they need to be.
They have made physical contact with some people.First, Team Themco has 3500+ memberships, so they should have some clue who the operatives are here. I am positive that they do.
Now, Stella claimed (so, therefore it may be a lie) that the owner of Ningbo Export/Import bought 10,000+ memberships. If this is true, he may be wishing to speak with someone as well.
All is not lost,- there is always a trail.
EG. The server they use has a co-location unit out of Chicago, that sends the GPP hosting through “anonymousspeech.com”. This is also under “Domains by Proxy” which is well-known for a history of hosting sites of ‘questionable nature”.
Now, you COULD start by calling these guys at anonymousspeech (who aren’t very anonymous). They have a bunch of proxies and colocation units that shoot all over Japan, but they end up in these people’s laps:
http://whois.domaintools.com/164.46.25.196
(if it doesn’t come up, just ‘whois’ that ip address.
Here’s the info:
person: Chiyo Takimoto
nic-hdl: CT315-AP
e-mail:
address: Nomura Fudosan Osaka Bldg. 3F
address: 1-8-15 Azuchimachi, Chuo-ku
address: Osaka 541-0052, Japan
phone: +81-6-6261-0805
fax-no: +81-6-6261-0805
country: JP
changed: 20030812
mnt-by: MAINT-JP-FSVNET
source: APNIC
person: Hirokazu Morikawa
nic-hdl: HM326-AP
e-mail:
address: Nomura Fudosan Osaka Bldg. 3F
address: 1-8-15 Azuchimachi, Chuo-ku
address: Osaka 541-0052 , Japan
phone: +81-6-6261-0805
fax-no: +81-6-6261-0805
country: JP
changed: 20030718
mnt-by: MAINT-JP-FSVNET
source: APNIC
Note: These guys are NOT GPP! BUT, they get money from GPP or “Stella” to maintain the site. So, there is a money trail there. They must have fairly accurate info on the owners, BUT, you may need a court order to get it.
Also, remember that Stella’s favourite charity is a scam run by David Villacreses and his 2 buddies, Paul Healy and Michael Morris. Villacreses posts in the GPP forum under “Vilrose” if I remember correctly, but he has other I.D.s as well. Obviously, he is in league with the “Stella-crew” and has helped make absolute fools of the members of Themco, who have kindly donated enough REAL cash to purchase hundreds of additional memberships to send to “Breadforkids”.
In turn, these people have aligned themselves with a David and Catharine Oldham, of Alberta, Canada, through their charity “Children of Ecuador”. Since their site makes no mention of Villacreses or Breadforkids, it’s debatable if they have agredd to this, but they may have info on where to locate the real “Vilrose”.
So, you see, there are loose ends. There are more.
Comment by zippy — 13th March 2008 @ 7:06 pm
There is no honor between theives. GPP individuals/secondary companies in this scam, in preventing possible prosecution, would it not be better to “drop the dime ” on GPP? I’m sure that they would have no problem in giving you up to the authorities if they got to close to their tail.
Take this for example. You may be identified as one of the main players in this scam! If you have received monies as an accomplace, surely you don;t think that you’d escape this prosecution! Think of those who were scammed, think of yourselves! The arm of the law is long. The arm of these criminals, I’d say is very short. Consider this as they escape into the night to leave you holding the bag!
As for TeamThemco, well I must say, I trully did think that you were in very deep w/ GPP. I really did. I see that you are just maintaining the site (still could be bad). A court order may be required to obtain this information, but wouldn’t it be bett not to be associated as a site that plays hosts to scammers?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 14th March 2008 @ 4:36 am
Stelliar and the NeverNeverland strikes again….
what will be the next excuse
Comment by Busting Gut — 14th March 2008 @ 4:46 am
Good work Zippy, really appreciated!! About Themco, well lets wait a bit, that guy supported GPP and now he got so quiet, they must have s..t really dirty in front of his door. So he will really open up if GPP does not deliver!! It really beats me how GPP act like little inexperienced children, lets get them and roast them if they do not deliver 🙂
Comment by extan — 14th March 2008 @ 9:14 am
another day and the only new post on GPP is on the Svenskt forum, the post is from Wayneloneger, so i guess its the same post as we had on 06th march. now its takin the p**s!
Comment by Blade68 — 14th March 2008 @ 6:12 pm
Do any of you know what all is involved in obtaining a banking license? Do you know how long of a process that is? Do you know for this banking license to be approved, the bank would need assets to make it the #2 bank in the world? Do any of you really believe GPP has access to assets of this size? Do any of you still believe this is possible?
Comment by EagleOne — 14th March 2008 @ 9:27 pm
Eagle,
To answer your question, No! No one should! Why would such a company be in hiding? For those who don’t know, see how much information of substance that you can find on it….
Good point…
MikeCheck
Comment by mikecheck — 14th March 2008 @ 11:26 pm
I have been reading this column with interest as it reflects my thoughts about the GPP. I feel that those who bought Stella’s surprise (being able to buy additional policies even when the quota was reached) acted upon greed and haven’t used their God-given brains. What’s with confirming if all are qualified? I am pretty sure that each member who signed up followed each verification instruction to a T at signing. Come to think of it, they have not updated us with this info, while they used to update numbers weekly once they decided that the program had to be completed by August 2007.
And since the fiasco of the first program that was completed(won’t mention the name here), if they GPP was real, they should have started moving their butts to find banking alternatives.
I won’t be surprised if the next announcement would be the nail in the coffin-excuse that some evil force (those brave enough to question the validity of the scheme) has destroyed the plan and that the program can’t be realized, and there goes all the dreams of us gullible customers!!!
Comment by Kitz — 15th March 2008 @ 1:39 am
Well, what is going to be interesting is if they are indeed making a filing for a banking license (I don’t believe they have or are even trying to do so) they won’t be anonymous much longer. When you file your application you must provide this information:
Type of License applied for Class A or Class B; PROPOSED NAME OF APPLICANT; ADDRESS IN THE STATE FOR PLACE OF BUSINESS FOR APPLICANT; NAMES, ADDRESSES AND CITIZENSHIP AND RESIDENCY OF DIRECTORS, SHAREHOLDERS, AND OFFICERS OF APPLICANT; Verification of Identity of Directors (a minimum of two Directors) Shareholders and Officers of Applicant: A certified copy of the identification page of the Passport, Professional Reference Letters, Bank Reference Letter; APPLICANT’S SOLICITORS & ATTORNEYS-AT-LAW: A letter from said Solicitors and or Attorneys-at-Law confirming that they act for Applicant; NAME AND ADDRESS OF PROPOSED AUDITORS: A confirmation letter from said auditors confirming that they have agreed to act for Applicant; APPLICATION FOR INCORPORATION OF THE COMPANY IN THE STATE; VERIFICATION OF BANKING EXPERIENCE; EVIDENCE OF APPLICANT’S SECURITY DEPOSIT (Class A: $500,000, Class B: $100,000); PROOF OF ABSENCE OF CRIMINAL RECORD FOR (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc., Director); ANNUAL ACCOUNTS OF APPLICANTS HOLDING COMPANY; NAMES OF ALL SUBSIDIARY COMPANIES OF APPLICANT; VERIFICATION OF A COPY OF THE ARTICLES OF INCORPORATION AND BY-LAWS OF THE APPLICANT COMPANY; REQUIRE CHARACTER REFERENCES: Personal and Two Bank; CURRENT NET WORTH STATEMENT AND LIST OF ASSETS HELD BY SHAREHOLDERS DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY THROUGH HOLDING COMPANIES; STATEMENT OF CAPITAL OF ANY OTHER COMPANY; PROPOSED BUSINESS PLAN OF APPLICANT: The business plan must contain information regarding the following:
a) a description of the objectives of the company;
b) proposed customer base;
c) opening balance sheet and three year projections as certified by an auditor;
Attached hereto to form part hereof as Attachment 17 C (i), (ii), and (iii) please find
Applicant’s (i), Projected Income Statements, (ii), the Rationale on which these are
predicated and it’s (iii) Projected Balance Sheet.
d) management structure;
e) anti money laundering policies and provisions; (draft copy enclosed as a guide)
f) a feasibility study;
g) the economic need that the company intends to meet;
h) the nature and source of capital financing;
i) proof of applicants ability to meet statutory requirements for minimum paid up capital
and statutory deposits;
j) a description of internal systems and controls; and
k) copy of the ownership structure including group members and affiliated companies.
PERSONAL DUE DILIGENCE QUESTIONNAIRE; PROPOSED DATE FOR COMMENCEMENT OF BUSINESS; and PLEASE NOTE THE AUTHORITY HAS THE RIGHT TO SEEK ADDITIONAL INFORMATION WHERE IT DEEMS NECESSARY.
Oh yes, one more thing. The bank is required for all persons opening an account must APPEAR IN PERSON. Makes no difference if onshore or offshore. Anyone ready to travel to where they obtain this banking license?
Comment by EagleOne — 15th March 2008 @ 6:26 am
are you people who are posting on this blog actual members of gpp.
or are you out just to make trouble.give gpp a chance to respond
to all the comments you are posting.if you are members how much do you stand to lose,not a lot i bet!give them a chance!
Comment by jacko — 15th March 2008 @ 9:42 am
Just so you know, I didn’t publish the list of what information is required by the applicant(s), as it would have taken up way too much space. That list of information required is about twice the size of the application information. Before the application is finalized, the applicant must deposit the required assets and financial capital required. Failure to do so voids the application. Sure is going to be interesting to see them deposit close to $90 Billion just to open its doors.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th March 2008 @ 11:06 am
A person in my upline has mailed everyone to say he cannot reach the website of GPP. Then someone else said he should try something called a proxy site. Does anyone know anything about this sort of thing? How can you go another route to a website? And why does a website suddenly become ungettable? Is it the computer or the web or the site itself?
Stupid ol’ me again?
Angie
Comment by Angie — 15th March 2008 @ 3:25 pm
Jacko
Most of us are members and gpp have had more than enough time to reply allready! But they won’t! Its not the amount of money, its the principle! Are you a member? Are you happy to walk away knowing how much money they have made? If you had taken the time to read through some of the previous posts then you would not have asked those questions!
I have sent this email to Teamthemco
Hi, as you have probably noticed there has not been a post on gpp’s site for 9 days, and the last few insane ramblings dont count anyway! Most of us feel that the scam has come to an end now, just wondering how you stand? have you had any kind of contact with them recently?
Have you been on this site? http://www.bizoppsblog.com its very interesting, and there are alot of people ready to take action. Cheers Daryl
Comment by Blade68 — 15th March 2008 @ 5:32 pm
Jacko,
Quite seriously, how long is long enough?
If they wanted to provide information, provide anything, say we’ll be right back…anything!
I think that you’d agree, that this says, “I don’t care about the members”. That’s what their actions say to me.
Angie,
As to a proxy site… They probablysugested something like that because the actual cookies identifying you and other types of info are not being provided. Makes you look like a fresh new target!
The only thing that I have to ask, is why shouldn’t you be able to access this site by going through all of these gyrations? So, I guess that you have to sneek into their site huh? What kind of business works like that. Very unprofessional. I understand your friends frustrations. I feel his/her/their pain…
I’ve unfortunately, got one word for this GPP….. You all know what I’m going to say….. SCAM!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 15th March 2008 @ 9:56 pm
Check out the forum. What??? Am too tired and too bored to care to comment much else. Check out News n Announcements. What The!…..
Can you do all the commenting on this one. Am still reading this blog just been lacking in any reason to comment on GPP..
Bit too long some of these posts, and dont really read it all properly, so either break it into paragraphs a bit more or shorten it would help.
I have to say eyes go blury after four or five lines.
All the best to you Extan, God love you mista! Bet your taking good care of him JL. Lets take care of each other and keep positive with each other. Sammy! xoxox
Comment by sammy — 16th March 2008 @ 8:10 am
15.03 Stella has just posted 3 new posts on the GPP forum, the first is downright rude, maybe because members are stupid? But one would rather expect a proper progress report!
Forget the 40 dollar and think of the promise they owe us!
There is also one post from her where she intends to clear up some failed pay-ups from Dec 07, makes one think again, or is this just another clever ploy before they run for sure?
Comment by extan — 16th March 2008 @ 8:50 am
Jacko,
Maybe you can’t see what’s at stake here. Sure, if you want to think it’s only $40,…you can think that way. Yup, you GAVE $40 to some thieves or maybe you gave it to some shady “investors”. You know, there are people on this planet for whom $40 is one heck of a lot of money. If we were going to toss it somewhere, I personally would have preferred to throw it at a charity (of MY choosing) than be conned out of it by some slicksters.
Next, there’s the issue of, just what value does one place on their own time? GPP has been holding people’s money for up to 2 years with the expectations that they would be compensated some 6 months ago. Then, it was december, january, no,….february,…um whoops,..well, it won’t be March,..maybe on April Fools Day we’ll know, but I doubt it.
People have to hunt, search, use proxies, use the secret handshake and mumble the password to get into a forum where Stella doesn’t even have the business or common acumen to post. It is common practice (and polite) to inform the people whose money you have collected, what you are doing and at which point in the operation you have managed to get. Stella never seems to get anywhere,..it’s always some “busywork” but never, done. Nothing is ever finished.
But then, it is also common practice to allow those who have entrusted you with their funds to know your last name, or your phone number!!
So, we’re not talking about anyone who is respectful or courteous, or even a professional.
That $40 could actually have become a lot more $$$ in a legitimate investment plan, but Stella apparently believes she’s a bank and can use the money as she pleases. Otherwise, if she has not been using the money, she would have been inclined (and required if this were legit) to tell us what, where, and how our money was being kept, AND she would have to inform us of the interest accrued over the time she has had it.
Thirdly, some people have already sent in their full ID. Now, this could be the most expensive loss of all. ID theft is the theft that keeps on thieving. After they take your money and ruin your credit, your life will never be the same so,…maybe you should think a little more deeply about consequences of actions before you make light of the loss.
What some could lose, may be devastating.
Comment by zippy — 16th March 2008 @ 11:42 am
Re: GPP update
Where are people sending their ID’s??? I have never been givin a mailing adress, so I wonder where these members have been mailing them to?
Comment by magoo — 17th March 2008 @ 12:51 am
Well, it seems many people were sending their ID information here, and I quote: “if you go to GPP forum you can find Stella’s bank a/c number , bank address etc etc many members are used that details to send payments.”
Guess they missed the part about this only being a mail drop, not a real bank address, nor Stella’s bank a/c number. Talk about willing giving our your personal information for identity theft. Now you know why so many joined. They have no clue about real investments.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th March 2008 @ 2:07 am
Eagle,
Right you are… People are not realizing that they are begging to get got yet again! Your info will be sold on the web just as fast as you provide it! The black market, as I’m sure that we all know, will sell anything!
For all of the pumpers of GPP, please direct me to ANY site showing positive information (other than the GPP site itself – although I’m sure that it does not work). My friends, I ask this only to show that this question will not be answered. There is no positive info out there on GPP other than the scammers behind this scam. If you have something please allow me to take a look.
Don’t send your personal info, suggest to your friends, neighbors or anyone not to buy more policies, and lets try to find these scammers!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 17th March 2008 @ 2:20 am
Or, Estella is just bluffing about people sending their IDs because she came to this site and read about people having an idea on what they are going to do with all these private info they’re going to collect! By doing so, she thinks it would negate some people’s allegations about what they’re gonna do with them!! Smartie pants! Don’t buy it!!!
Estella, show us the money and stop all the blah, blahs!
Comment by Kitz — 17th March 2008 @ 3:45 am
Kitz: I wish that were true, but I know for a fact many did send their documents to the mail drop address for the bank thinking it would reach Stella, as well as being a legitimate address. As to the exact number I don’t know, but I can tell you it was at least in the couple of hundred’s; possibly more.
In re-reading my last post I want to apologize for all the typo’s and inconcruent sentences. I hate it when I do that. This time I will re-read before I post.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th March 2008 @ 7:28 am
EagleOne, do you really know anything for a fact regarding GPP? Especially what they are getting at their “maildrop” address? Are you a postman there? 🙂
Or are you “near” Stella and Co.? Are you in know of their business? Really?
Please, tell us more! You shouldn’t leave us uninformed! As you can see, everyone just playing the guessing game here.
Finally, a man who knows something for a fact!
Eagle, we are waiting your words! Please, carry on…
Comment by Don — 17th March 2008 @ 9:15 am
Some funny posts lately, hope you are all ok!
About some members sending in their ID number, not wanted at the moment by GPP, it is stupid in any case, theft risk, you could instead send your birth certificate when requested, who else wants to be reborn on yours (hope your mother is still alive)…? I think their idea is to ultimately send you the bank “solution” address (email, whatever and to keep their hiding address secret) so then members can send in their form and b/cert etc. to the bank and get the promised debit card in return. Does it make sense?
Due to GPP’s unprofessional conduct some members are confused when to send in their documents, thinking they might lose out if they do not, no such request as yet, if ever.
Comment by extan — 17th March 2008 @ 9:57 am
Do you guys know that Teamthemco’s site doesn’t work? I googled it to make sure I’d get the right URL and Google’s spit was “Problem loading..”
I have a feeling they’re also a part of the plan, and one of the first to be inching out of the picture slowly..
Comment by Kitz — 17th March 2008 @ 10:57 am
no themco is not part of gpp
Comment by extan — 17th March 2008 @ 11:19 am
Well Don, we are not doing a guessing game, the only problem is that Stella and Co. are quite esoteric, so nothing gets done like we expect, so we need to use some special psycho analysis and guess what, they are still planing to pay out in their own way, … but we just need to wait and wait!
Comment by extan — 17th March 2008 @ 11:38 am
Well, DON, we do know, for a fact, that the office of First Oceanic in London IS a mail-drop. How do we know?
Aside of the fact that I used to work around the corner from the “bank”, if you simply google the address, you will find that the building is pretty full of addressees other than banking businesses. Then, if you get a google map, you can see that it’s simply a 2 story small house-sized building. Then, if you do a whois of First Oceanic bank, you’ll find that their head office is in Mogadishu, Somalia.
Unless there’s a bank teller’s wicket in the loo, this ain’t no bank!
Is that enough fact for you?
Comment by zippy — 17th March 2008 @ 11:59 am
Extan, Themco topdogs have ties to GPP.
Comment by zippy — 17th March 2008 @ 12:00 pm
It’s hard to see how anyone, other than GPP itself, can know ‘for a fact’ how many have sent their documents. The maildrop used is a couple of roads away from my London office and is run by BM Monomarks, probably the oldest maildrop company in the UK – I can’t see them telling!This is idle speculation and contributes nothing.
Comment by Owen Platt — 17th March 2008 @ 12:20 pm
For Owen Platt:
I know you’re convinced 10,000% that all these RPP’s are cons, but what would you do or say if one of them actually paid out?
Would you feel a little foolish that you hadn’t joined?
Even though GPP in particular may turn out to be a con or fail, my gut instinct tells me that although on the surface the financial
numbers for these RPPs do not appear to add up, there is some way that the financial instrument they are trying to construct can be used to make money in a way that is not known to the general public or even to people such as yourself who’ve had careers in offshore banking.
Comment by TrickOrTreat — 17th March 2008 @ 2:31 pm
Trick,
Though it would be great to see such an investment pay out, I do not believe that it can. Trully, if it did why would we need GPP to do this for us? I’d be at the bank/insurance again opening up a couple right now myself!
Have you heard of one, just one of these RPP’s that have paid out?! I have not seen any that have. I’m sure that everyone would like to know of it… Settle their nerves a bit…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 17th March 2008 @ 4:35 pm
Trick or Treat
The whole point of being a professional banker is that it enables one to assess any investment opportunity realistically. And there are no hidden mysterious investment opportunities in the world of finance.
Personally I would not send one dollar off to someone whose name and address I did not have!
My new book out later this year is entitled ‘And Pigs Might Fly.’ Just about sums it up I think.
Comment by Owen Platt — 17th March 2008 @ 4:56 pm
Ben didn’t know what he was getting into when he made that first blog post for this huh? lol
Comment by JH — 17th March 2008 @ 6:21 pm
Don: Obviously reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits. What I said was I know for a fact that people “SENT” their documents to the address given for the bank. I did not say that GPP or Stella “RECEIVED” them. The reason I know they were sent was because a member of GPP told me the people in his group did thinking this was where they were to be sent. They did this in January because Stella had told the membership in December they had the whole month of January to submit their documents. They didn’t realize they were supposed to wait for further instructions from Stella.
Now there are 15 people in his group, counting him, and each has at least 10 in their downline, and I have no clue how many are in each of those 10’s downline. Do the math. Either he was lying to me, or he was telling me the truth. I believe he was telling me the truth because he had no reason to lie about this. Now if they did this, I am sure there were many others who did also. Why? Because Stella made it a point to tell people to stop sending documents. Do you really think she would have said this if people weren’t sending documents to that mail drop address? As to what happened to them once they were delivered to that address, one can only speculate; but it does not mean they weren’t sent there.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th March 2008 @ 7:03 pm
I think that these members should now prepare to pay $12.00 a month for the service to have their credit records protected for the rest of their lives.
ID thieft is a terrible thing. I can only hope that this does not happen.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 17th March 2008 @ 9:51 pm
Eagle One.
I don’t think there was anything wrong with Don’s reading comprehension. When one makes cryptic statements of fact, it is advisable to quote the source of the information. Saying ‘I know – but I’m not saying how I know’ leads to scepticism – as was the case here.
Comment by Owen Platt — 18th March 2008 @ 7:15 am
Zippy, Themco used to help GPP at some time and then it soured up, now the old man tries to get Stella back, maybe she is beautiful 🙂 .
Everyone can you think about any other interesting subject except talking about the “wrongly” sent documents to GPP? Obviously new decisions supercede the old ones so those members were just sleeping, that’s it!
My analysis is that GPP will pay out, will see how much and whenever, the other option of running away, Zippy (and Dina) will sort that out!
Comment by extan — 18th March 2008 @ 11:53 am
Extan,
These wrongly sent documents could have a serious impact on people’s financial future. How would you feel knowing that a credit card could be established based on the information that you have provided to some unknown entity?
Why do you believe that they will pay?
What basis do you have to show anything about a payout?
You have NEVER seen a RPP ray out, so why do you believe it?
Most importantly, please tell me of your ANALYSIS!!!!!!!!!!!!
This should be a good one…
MikCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 12:49 pm
Extan, How could Themco help GPP , without knowing who Stella is? I can see one person, alone with their computer, joining an unknown, but I certainly cannot fathom any possibility of an investment organization, 3,500 strong, making any kind of financial agreement or involvement with someone who is missing a last name and phone number. Not possible. You can’t get 35 people to do that, so 3,500 definitely did NOT do that.
In addition, how did Stella hook Themco up with Breadforkids, if they never communicated other than on the internet? It’s not like Stella said, “Save the Children Organization”, or “Unicef” or “Oxfam”. This is an obscure, highly questionable website claiming charity-status and affiliation with another that doesn’t recognize it. How could they possibly find them on their own?
That’s too far-fetched.
Comment by zippy — 18th March 2008 @ 12:51 pm
Zippy, we know the old man personally, ok?
Comment by extan — 18th March 2008 @ 1:02 pm
Extan – we know who the old man is – and his address and telephone number. OK?
Comment by Owen Platt — 18th March 2008 @ 1:47 pm
HA! Then tell us his name… Tell us anthing! Know him or not, you can’t conduct large transactions without public placing this infomation. This cannot be true. Hmmm, maybe I’ll attempt to talk w/ someone at Teamco…
I agree, this charity was a SHAM! Strike one.
Let’s not forget, this nonsense of providing poor stella w/ additional monies for the great work that she did. What great work!?!?! I for one never saw anything, any clue as to what she did!!! BIG STRIKE TWO!!!
The POOR leadership of this scam! Don’t get me wrong, they successfully scammed a lot of people, which was their intention, but to the common man, this nonsense about jumping from one bank to another is a sad excuse. When you have a contract with a bank, YOU HAVE A CONTRACT!!! It would be up to the financing company to pull through with the deal, not GPP!! SCAM SCAM SCAM. Strike three.
They are out! Ha! There are surely enough stike ready, begging to be had. Surely more than that what is found in a baseball game!
Nonetheless, could you provide us with some of your findngs with your reasearch? you spoke of in POST# 457?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 1:53 pm
Mikecheck – just send me an E-Mail.
Comment by Owen Platt — 18th March 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Happy you also know him, soon we will maybe also know Stella, president of handing out millions, Mike you can bet on it, just believe it 🙂
Stella is currently sorting out the re-payment or the fixing up of those payments that went astray during 12-07, what action does that imply, does it ring a bell, are they busy running away, they could have done it long time ago!?
Comment by extan — 18th March 2008 @ 2:14 pm
This is the reply i had from Teamthemco:
Hi
What we know we post on our blogs.
We remain positive and have absolutely no time for the bizoppsblog. Just ask them to give you proof on anything they say. It is all conjecture and heresay.
ATB
Terry
Themco
What an answer!!!
Extan,
Don’t you get it? They are not running away yet because they are still receiving large amounts of money!
Comment by Blade68 — 18th March 2008 @ 6:14 pm
Owen,
you are on the ball! I’ll get up with you shortly.
Extan,
Tell me how are you privy to all of this info on GPP? I simply cannot believe this. There is NO info being shared with thelrest of us poor souls! We have to rely on second hand info on everything. You say Stella would not just break camp and leave. Well I have two things to say on that note… 1) I have not seen anything to substanciate that ANYONE has been busy doing anything except collecting money! 2) Stella is supposedly still around…. Well now, why would she leave! If she could still obtain these easy monies, stay annonymous etc., why would she leave!!!
Could you share with the members and myself this information that you found with your research?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 6:15 pm
Blade,
You know what, I actually missed your post… Now I have to say, I can’t agree with you more! It’s practically the same thing that I said just now!
Man! What a sorry excuse for an answer! That’s no true response, that is a “let me answer this to him off of my back” response. Dig this, I’m sure that you noticed, but is this somone else who does not provide a last name?!?!
Sounds to me like someone is trying to disaccociate themselves from this sham…or either as noted, the funds just keep on rolling in!
Let’s see here… Since Stella cannot discribe any further about GPP, allow me to do so by simply using words…
SHAM, SCAM, STEALING, MISLEADING, NON-COMUNITIVE, there are many more!
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 8:00 pm
Looks like I should re-read my scentences before posting them too. Back to my point however.
I do not know who stell is (yet).
I have not seen any work, progress, or anything other than statements that are of no benefit.
Let me tell you, if they are having this much of a problem with this banking solution (or what ever they want to call this today), why did they/would they wind people up into a program for which there is no solid financial plan/basis? This simply screams SCAM!!!
I envite anything to disprove these statements!
Extan, what about that research?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th March 2008 @ 8:07 pm
Mike are you going overboard, watch for the sharks out there…?
About GPP we just check a “savings account” as it grows or not and it shows that not much money is coming in currently for Stella and Co., sometimes not for a week in response to GPP not communicating, like a barometer of confidence. Hope that answers your question?
Comment by extan1 — 18th March 2008 @ 9:43 pm
Mike,
His name is Terry Gilder, hell of an answer though!!!
Extan,
where are you getting this information about savings accounts from?
Still no response from gpp about the mail i sent!
Comment by Blade68 — 18th March 2008 @ 10:33 pm
Mind you, I think Terry Gilder has some serious money coming into his account if he starts blackmailing Estella–into exposing her if she doesn’t share the money with him. Please can someone stay close to the guy? I am just thinking of possibilities here. If things turns out to be a SCAM, we may have a serious lead here!!!!
Comment by Kitz — 19th March 2008 @ 6:51 am
R E P U B L I C O F S L O V E N I A
SECURITIES MARKET AGENCY
13. 2. 2008
P U B L I C W A R N I N G
against Global Pension Plan
Slovene Securities Market Agency is warning investors about activities of the company
Global Pension Plan, on the territory of Republic of Slovenia.
Global Pension Plan has not obtained the Agency’s authorization according to Market in
Financial Instruments Act (Official Gazette of the Republic of Slovenia 67/2007 and
100/2007) or any other securities law to carry out services in the financial instruments field in
Slovenia and by the date of this warning the Agency has not received any documentation
proving that the authorization is sought in order to acquire that authorization.
The list of the entities with the Agency’s authorization is available on the Agency’s website
http://www.atvp.si.
The Agency strongly urges investors considering dealing with Global Pension Plan to
exercise the greatest possible caution before proceeding, bearing in mind the contents of this
public notice.
Poljanski nasip 6, Ljubljana, tel.: 01 28 00 400, faks: 01 28 00 430
Comment by Koychi — 19th March 2008 @ 9:27 am
jealousy everywhere and a lot of hogwash, the bottom line, anybody that has a lot of money will have a lot of problems from so called agenies/banks that want to stop the windfall!! That is human nature!
by “savings account” I mean those members that have downlines, the “total due to them” grows as the money into GPP grows, can anyone understand that? I can understand that the old man does not read this blog!!
Comment by extan — 19th March 2008 @ 9:41 am
If GPP is this great professional organization, then what were they doing having Stella go on the around the world cruise to find a banking solution, instead of staying home and working on the December refunds? Sounds like lousy customer service to me. March is almost over and she is just now getting around to working on December refunds? Yep, sure glad this is being run by Professionals.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th March 2008 @ 12:18 pm
Koychi,
What more do you have to say? Post 472 says it all.
Jealousy has nothing to do with money!
Could you show your reasearch to dispute?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th March 2008 @ 1:54 pm
this is really dumb, isn’t it?! GPP will pay out just not telling when, maybe April, May or June? 🙁
Comment by extan — 19th March 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Extan,
that is not a savings account!!! they are just numbers in the air unless gpp pay out! NO COMMUNICATION….NO COURTESY…
Comment by Blade68 — 19th March 2008 @ 6:43 pm
And suprise suprise, gpp site down again! is this it? I dont think we need any more proof that this is a scam, we need to take them to the cleaners!
Comment by Blade68 — 19th March 2008 @ 6:48 pm
gpp site not down. use a proxy,you will get it up!
Comment by jacko — 19th March 2008 @ 7:24 pm
Just tried GPP site. Log in without any problems. Hence no further news.
snartmor
Comment by snartmor — 19th March 2008 @ 7:25 pm
extan: You really should get a copy of Owen’s book “Just Numbers On A Screen” and read it. It would explain a lot of things to you. Also get a copy of his new book coming out. Between the two you will learn so much, and be able to protect yourself in the future.
As for the saying “things not being over until the fat lady sings,” let’s just say the fat lady is warming up her vocal chords.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th March 2008 @ 7:55 pm
Blade,
Since they just got Majorly Busted with that great info provided by Koychi, I’ll bet that they would be about to break camp! Those free flowing dollars may cause them to stay a bit longer though!
Sad, that after all of this info on the web, others are still being sucked into this scam! I’ll tell you… What has happened with our money is not much different than placing $40 into an envelope, writing one word on it… “STELLA”, then dropping it into a mailbox. This scenario is similar in that we won’t see that cash again.
Seemingly our situation (in respect to Stella) stands like this… We know her (possible) first name… PERIOD!!!
We do however, have the benefit of knowing some of the peripheral info surrounding this scam. This info probably accidentally left. I’ll give it to them… Free servers (in some cases), using in servers in different countries, all this here and there. Spells “S C A M” to me!
Jacko,
It is unfortunate that members have to go through a proxy site to access information that you should easily be able to get at! If you have your password and other info, you should be able to get right on in! Think about your bank account! You can access this online. Surely they wouldn’t have us members go through these ridiculous loops. Why doesn’t GPP give us members who have supported them the same courtesy?
Between you and me, I think that it is a poor setup of the website. For as much as this Billion dollar company has been down, it does not say very much for it at all! No, not at all. I think that this is something else that we also would agree with…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th March 2008 @ 9:13 pm
Mike,
Well put, no other business operates like this, it is beyond a joke and saddens me that people are still joining.
I thought that Teamthemco had just been sucked in but after that last email from them i’m wondering if they are part of gpp!
Comment by Blade68 — 19th March 2008 @ 10:26 pm
In light of the recent events with GPP, I thought it might be interesting to take a trip down memory lane from 8/31/06 and see what Stella was saying about GPP then, versus the reality of now. And this is not by any means the total post that was made of Stella’s statements. Space would not permit to post it all now. This is copied from another forum, where a person posted these comments from Stella. So let’s go back in time to August 2006, and I quote:
“The following questions were sent to Stella at Support, which were answered very quickly (and on the weekend, too):
Key Facts:
Office Hours: Monday to Friday
This is an insurance plan
Earnings: $55,000. (plus $2k per referral)
One Time Membership fee: $30.EUR (approximately $38. USD)
Payment methods: e-bullion, e-gold or wire transfer
A new “Gift Coupon” is now available
Plan pay out will be in USD
Forum: Yes
Q: Who runs the Global Pension Plan?
A: I am not sure if you are aware of that Global Pension Plan is run by the Trust Partner and through a trust (Anstalt) registered in Liechtenstein. The originator consists of five European businessmen, who have experience from similar business dealings but on a smaller scale. I met with members of the Trust Partner as well as the manager of the insurance company involved before I decided to step in and start working for them.
Q: Do you anticipate any difficulties with this Program?
A: To stay alive, we must keep a low profile and stay together. We have met difficulties, like SPAM and DDoS attacks, but all of them have been beaten successfully! It’s normal to experience attacks from naysayers who want to destroy something extraordinary. But because of a professional online presence plan, we are still available for the general public.
Q: What does the Trust Partner pay in this Program?
A: The Trust Partner pays about $4 – $5 per every new member in addition to the membership fee of $30 EUR out of it’s own pocket currently. So please understand the collected membership fees of $3,5M is actually -$450,000 for them. They decided to set the fee to $30 EUR to show some goodwill, but also because $40 would have been too much for most of the people.
Q: Can you give us any sort of time frame with respect when you might meet your 100,000 member target?
A: To be honest, it’s pretty difficult to give you any time-frame the program will be completed, as it depends on the activity of our members. It may take 3, 6 or 9 months.
Q: Once the target membership has been met, when will payout happen?
A: Once the target of 100,000 members has been achieved, the payout will happen in about two months.
Q: How will the funds be paid out?
A: The funds will be paid out all at once. The Trust Partner won’t use e-gold or any other e-currency for the payouts, as the amount is way too high for them to handle. Right now they are working on a complete online banking solution which will offered for the members, so it looks like the anticipated debit card is replaced. I will keep members updated!
Q: To confirm, the maximum age to join the program is 66 and there is no minimum age?
A: You are right, we don’t have a maximum age to join the program. However, people older than 66 won’t qualify for the Compensation of $55,000, but can still earn via the Loyalty Program.
QUESTION: How can the policies be mortgaged if they are not paid for yet?
Answer: This is possible because the premiums haven’t been paid for yet. Both the insurance company and one of the mortgaging financial institutions are owned by the same company. Thus the mortgaging institution doesn’t have a risk of any kind as they can play by the rules of the house and have control over the monetary issues all the time.
Once the program has been closed, the pension policy is issued in member’s name. At this stage the policy is not active as the Trust Partner hasn’t paid the premium just yet. Now the member is asked to sign the sales contract so that all the liabilities, and benefits too, concerning the policy can be transferred in Trust Partner’s name. At this stage they own the future benefits of the agreement, thus the mortgaging is possible.
Once the policy has been mortgaged, the Trust Partner is the debtor, not the member the policy has been bought from. Next step is the funds will be released for the Trust Partner and they start taking care of the expenses the pension policy has created, one of them is to pay the member the Compensation of $55,000.
Regards,
Stella and the Team”
Comment by EagleOne — 20th March 2008 @ 12:11 am
Extan?,
Please don’t be so naive, you’re much too intelligent for that.
Of course Gilder is in on it!
He supposedly DIRECTS a rather huge investment club. Are you telling me that he organized the investment into GPP of 3500 memberships PLUS, to someone with no last name, organized by 5 unnamed businessmen?
That’s why he’s at liberty to give such glib responses.
I am also positive that 95% of the members of Themco have no clue, that’s why they belong to such a club. They believe they are being directed towards smart investment choices by their leader.
Ask yourself,…if you had directed 3500 people to send money to these people, and they cannot even communicate, …would you act so non-chalant? Or would you be demanding answers because you appear to your members to be a part of the problem?
Comment by zippy — 20th March 2008 @ 1:56 am
maybe you should ask “Terry” why there are suddenly 12 months of Themco archives now “vanished”.
Comment by zippy — 20th March 2008 @ 3:06 am
My friends,
At first, I was also wondering if Teamthemco could have been a hapless company being duped by GPP. Upon reading these posts I became very suspicious when that highly suspect answer was given as to why they would not answer any questions… Now how could I let this go? I am now almost positive that Teamthemco is in on it too. Take a look at this crap… This is Teamthemco’s E-mail address: thefoundn@gmail.com or telephone number: 01483 223931
I think that this says it all. There is so much more that it makes me just say, what a shame…what a shame for us all invested in this sham. You all should look them up. You all will see how sad this is. We’ll have to see about running them down. I think that I’ll look further into this.
Eagle,
That info provided is excellent. This shows exactly the lies that was told to investors long ago. What a scam. I really feel badly for those who are heavily invested. People, there is surely no doubt that something is wrong here. Stella has lied over and over and over again. We can see that there are so many lies that have been told that she’s (and her other ID’s) are tripping over themselves. I have some god posts to share from anohter site. STELLA, why don’t you try to stop me… I’ll tell you why… Truth hurts!!!
I must again say that I’m amazed at how many sites that GPP ran up on! Well there was some resarch on that at least.
I hate to see that these scammers think that we are so stupid! It’s sad but the possibilities offered was too tempting and therefore we bought in. Yes 40 dollars that we got jacked for. Seriously, it does not matter if it were only 50 cents. We would still have been told incorrect info to scam our money. This is wrong! Wrong Wrong.
You know how we can find just about anything on the web. Look up GPP. Tell me how much more negative info that there is out there about this sham. I invite someone to show me some positive information dated past July of 07, which is not on one of their own sites or blogs. Very few if any I’ll bet. If you do run accross a positive site, share with us the info that they will provide. My guess: Convoluted, info going around in circles, non information, and/or just something describing this scam!!!!
Stella, I’d suggest that you address someone here on this forum. I am so very ready to make a presence known on every other blog that I know of. Better get your staff and five investors together and think up something fast… No response tomorrow and… Well you’ll see. This undisputable info provided on this site is so good that I may just…. Tell you what. I’d address us, and fast! I know that you are reading this!!!!!!!!!!!!
Members, again sorry for this long post, but I hate seeing people getting scammed! You’ll note that there is not much being said to disprove any of these statements. I tell you, I find more and more about this scam every day.
PREVENT OTHERS FROM FALLING PREY TO THESE LIES!!!! If only we could find them!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th March 2008 @ 3:08 am
Zippy,
You say that these archives just vanished huh? I’d say that someone is trying to hide something.
Something similar happened to me… I had some posts which questioned GPPs practices, on another blog (probably hosted by a GPP member). Funny, but almost all of my posts were surgically removed! I’d say that I was getting too close to the truth huh?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th March 2008 @ 3:12 am
Mike: You have many “cheerleaders” from other forums going in and deleting their posts. You had Stella deleting references to the timelines of the payout. Some threads when closed mysteriously had some posts disappear when archived. This is not the first time this has happened just before a program pulls a Houdini. The question is how much longer before they do.
Notice that in August of 2006, they were searching for a banking solution. Now in 2008 they just started the search for a banking solution?
While they may have deleted their posts on the forum, it doesn’t mean that someone hadn’t C&P’d them just in case. So some still have those famous posts if needed. Also I would venture that someone has copied all of Stella’s updates for safe keeping too. One way to prevent them from being able to delte their posts entirely is to quote their post in your post. Only you can edit it, and you still have their statements in the thread. Just an FYI for the future.
Sorry to say, yes there will be a new program that will pop up, and some already have that will be nothing more than a way to separate a fool from his money.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th March 2008 @ 6:49 am
Hi Eagle, generally I read technical and scientific books, not rubbish. It also gets extremely boring to read these posts, it used to be fun. Zippy, you try to put things into my mouth or change what I have said. I also wonder who is blade68, is it Peter? Anyway, it does not really pay to look into the past, conditions change, etc. but please enjoy yourself… the investment grows!
Comment by extan — 20th March 2008 @ 9:13 am
Well, if it makes anyone feel better, the First Oceanic Bank requires the production of a notarized copy of a passport to get an account, so, it would be interesting to know whose name is on the account.
I’m sure that can be found out, eventually.
Extan, I did not put words in your mouth, in any way. You insist the old man doesn’t know what’s going on, and I say it’s impossible for him to have made the investment without knowing,..simple as that.
Removing archived files when the blog has not increased in size is like the burglar alarm going off. Somebody’s getting worried.
If Themco was innocent, they would 1. have more to say, and 2. wouldn’t suddenly start hiding archives.
Comment by zippy — 20th March 2008 @ 11:00 am
Zippy,the old man did as if he had good relations to Stella, etc., he actually did at the beginning and his friends and associates did not know that the relations were not so firm any more as they had been.
But one should think about those guys that bought a lot of memberships and had a reasonable relation to GPP, do you still think they will run away? I don’t, they would be very foolish!!!
Comment by extan — 20th March 2008 @ 11:47 am
Extan,
Your statement that it does not pay to look in the past at past conditions and changes makes little sense. A statement such as that make me wonder if you are reading these “technical” books or the funny papers. If you deal with money as much as you say that you do, why would anyone look at the history of a stock to see how volitile the stock is?
Curious, you seem to be getting pretty happy that this investment continues to grow… WHY? Are you/would you be obtaining any additional benefit? NOT THAT ANY OF US WILL REALIZE! So you are so happy about these delays exactly because……… Please don’t say that you are a part of this scheme. Well, whatever…
Well, that said, you still have not told anyone of your previous research, explaining about how well GPP is doing. Remember you said that? Please share…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th March 2008 @ 12:54 pm
ok Mike you are always right!
All you positive and negative people have a happy Easter weekend, hope Stella has time to search for Easter Eggs!
Comment by extan — 20th March 2008 @ 1:55 pm
Wishing all of you of the Christian faith a very Glorious Easter. See you all after Easter.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th March 2008 @ 7:52 pm
Extan,
No, I do not know everything… I’ll bet that $40, that I’m not wrong though. Wait a minute, I mean my unrealized $55,000.
You have got to realize that this is a sham. There is NOTHING to support anything said by GPP!!! NOTHING. I’ll bet that no one can explain how this could possibly work! Would your research by chance, explain this?
Ha, hope she has time to search for Easter eggs… Well she probably wouldn’t have to. She could just let little kids send in their easter eggs to her! I’m sure that she’d be willing to tell them that they’d get a nice big prize! Something like she did with us!
Haven’t heard anything about ole’ girls charity. You know anyone who has donated? Think that this is a good thing?
Everyone,
Speaking of Stella, what was up with this nonsense about us giving her $ for doing such a good job!?! This is so outrageous that I still can’t believe it. In fact, i may go back and look at this nonsense once again! GPP must REALLY think that we are stupid! Anything to scam money huh? Tell you what, those two things help futher allow us to see how much of a scam this is. Again let me run down some suspect activities:
1a) Stella’s charity
1b) Where is this charity located, or registered?
2) The money we should provide to her for doing such a good job. Are they for real?
3) The looking for additional contracts. Why? What benefit does this serve to anyone but them?
Got more to say… I’ll be back..
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th March 2008 @ 9:41 pm
Extan has got to be one of them. He is planted here to plant the seed of doubt in your minds. He is here to keep the lie alive. He might even be stella.
no one could be that supportive of GPP unless you where on the inside looking out.
Extan I want a refund!
Comment by busting gut — 21st March 2008 @ 6:10 am
Busting Gut, hope it does not bust! I’m not wealthy so I have to believe in GPP to help me to help other people and myself, Stella might be mother Theresa of Calcutta resurrected, so just be patient, soon she will also tend your wounds 🙂 just planting another seed to offend you?
Comment by extan — 21st March 2008 @ 10:02 am
latest post on teamthemco
FSCF- Passes 12 Melons
With the advent of mobile phones, you may have overheard someone on the train or bus who you took to be a trader in Fruit and Veg.
Well you are partly right, for they were definitely traders, but not trading in Fruit and Veg.
The city boys and girls needing to get at their markets as early as possible in the day, bearing in mind they are no doubt dealing internationally, in markets that were already up and running, whilst they were still travelling to work, found the mobile phone an absolute godsend in helping them hit their lucrative bonuses.
Rather then draw attention to themselves talking in Millions, Billions and Trillions, they used code words – Melons, Bananas and Tomatoes respectively. So now you know what to listen for when ‘City Traders’ are on their mobile phones.
March 20, 2008 Posted by teamthemco | FSCF | | No Comments
FSCF is stellas charity! this is disgusting!
Extan, I am not peter, whoever he is.
Comment by Blade68 — 21st March 2008 @ 3:22 pm
Extan,
I read your words of wisdom everyday, you are not stupid!
so why do you blindly follow the GPP lie???
another month has come and gone, and still no payout.
I hope all is well with everyone and that we all have a Happy Easter!
Please enjoy your Good Friday!
Please remember Jesus died for our sins today…so Stelliar and the NeverneverLand band my still find forgiveness. LOL
Comment by busting gut — 21st March 2008 @ 5:33 pm
Jacko,
how do i proxy the site?
Comment by Blade68 — 21st March 2008 @ 7:07 pm
blade68,
i use :kproxy: type this into your search bar,then type globalpp.net into there search bar. this will bring the site up
Comment by jacko — 21st March 2008 @ 7:25 pm
Busting, I do not follow GPP bluntly, if you have understood ANY post from me (nobody here seems to be, so I do not fit here), but it is worked out against pure simple logic concerning human behaviour in tricky situations. What choice do they have with so many members who for example have already shown to plan to work together, I mean, “gorilla gal” Dina might already be on her way and Zippy is working out things just in case GPP wants to run away 🙂 ?
We had a nice day at the beach and had a boat ride to Seal Island, beautiful Cape for sure!!
Comment by extan — 21st March 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Jacko, cheers, that worked, no real news on the site!
Comment by Blade68 — 21st March 2008 @ 8:29 pm
Extan, why do you follow GPP blindly? You have never shared any oth is reasearch that you spoke of. There is nothing for you to have done research on. Nothing has ever been shown to any of us members! The only way that you could say that you do know is if you are in on it! I can’t immagine someone being so positive sitting around with no questions after all of this info sent on this bogus scheme.
If you are truly a believer please once again, just give a synopsis, since you are holding this highly prised info to yourself. If you didn’t want to tell us anything of it, why did you even bring it up?
Well, it is good to see that you agree with us that this Charity of Stella’s is a SCAM! At this point perhaps you could help us find how to track this and at least shut shameful segment of the original SCAM down!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 21st March 2008 @ 8:37 pm
Extan, You think I care more about GPP than I do. I don’t really look for anything, Google is such a simple thing. And, I don’t believe you’re in on anything.
What irks me is the ‘leadership” of Themco prodding his flock (of sheep, apparently) to contributing in spite of there being no communication, and no apparent intention of follow-through. This is not a business behavior. This is con-man behavior. And using children, as bait, disgusts me.
I think people here really like you, Extan, so, don’t take any of this too personally. I don’t equate you with Stella. You’re just another person wondering where this is going,.you lean to the right, I lean left.
Have a wonderful holiday, everyone,
Comment by zippy — 21st March 2008 @ 10:26 pm
There’s no one to deceive, it’s just all make believe….
Don’tchuknow, Don’tchuknow, Don’tchuknow
Jimmy Buffett
Comment by Busterblues — 22nd March 2008 @ 3:48 am
Take for example Florence Nightingale, you would probably trust her, because she was well known, possibly doing more good than George W Bush.
Stella and Co. are practically unknown, but now take for example the owner of Themco, he knows(knew)Stella in some way and he seems to believe in their project,UNPERTURBED investing into foundations for the GPP money to be invested into(someday????), doing it during the time that GPP’s website was down, exactly when all others started to panic, including myself. There are other examples!
Now what do make of this fact, Mike? Obviously we all know that your best friend or your beloved boy/girl-friend can kick you in the back after being so good to you, but nevertheless there should be a clear hint of a (possible) positive outcome?! A ruthless pure scam is running on thin ice!
Comment by extan — 22nd March 2008 @ 4:17 pm
“Stella and Co. are practically unknown, but now take for example the owner of Themco, he knows(knew)Stella in some way and he seems to believe in their project,UNPERTURBED investing into foundations for the GPP money to be invested into(someday????), doing it during the time that GPP’s website was down, exactly when all others started to panic, including myself. There are other examples!”
Give me a break. Stella an Co. are not “practically unknown” they are absolutely unknown and they purposely want to remain so. Irrespective of their pupported reasons, there is no way that a legitmate entity doing a deal of this nature can operate in this way. And if nothing else, the lame amatuerish web site and communications alone should tell you that this is in no way real.
The only reason that Themco is interested in and promoting this is for the referral money. It costs them nothing to make “virtual” investments using virtual money. Once GPP goes under, they’ll either disappear along with it or move on to the next scam promoting it in exactly the same way.
Comment by JH — 22nd March 2008 @ 7:16 pm
JH,
Excellent observation! Your statement practically cannot be dissproved! TeamThemco must be obtaining some benefit. Indeed, I has to be the money!!
All,
As I mentioned earlier,I think that this TeamThemco is suspect anyway. Why? Well I have seen very little if anything about this “TeamThemco” before 2007!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don’t believe me? Look it up yourself! I’ll bet for sure that you won’t find any information about this company, surely before 2006! Amazing how fast a company can grow in a few months. NOT!
Extan,
Have you found anything? Perhaps GPP could show us where they existed before they had a need to invent a company as such, to fool investors.
My friends,
I again, must say that it sickens me to see this company take advantage of people. This scam is simply ongoing! It’s working for them however!! I’m seeing that there are so many people that have been fooled into believeing that GPP would be good enough to give us this outrageous benefit. OK, I’ve said that before… Let me then say something else! Rember back in Jan when we were getting frustrated w/ the solution not accourng on Jan 31st. Well that was no suprise to me. Then, they said,one more week, then again at the end of Feb. Now it’s the end of April or some nonsense. We all know how old this has gotten. Now, if you all will pay attention to this hypotheses, I’m sure that you will be amazed, amused, saddened and angered, if this comes to pass. I’ll start a new paragraph on this one!!!
Hypothesis: GPP will enact some kind of new policy or plan which will again pay out some outrageous amount of money to get new people to buy more “New Policies”. Oh yes, this will happen before ONE CENT is paid out to us!!!! My friends, I’m telling you! I can feel their need to get fresh new funds with a New improved SCAM!!! To excite others, I’ll bet that they’ll say something like this will pay off quickly, or even better, pay MORE MONEY!!!! Mark these words! I’ll make reference or simply re address this later.
Extan,
What do you think of that hypothesis?
JH,
When you say that soon that they will drop off the map. It’ll happen I’m sure. Soon as we get too close. But I’m betting that they won’t shut down just yet due to the fact that GPP is established. I almost laugh when I say established for a scam, but you know what I’m saying… On that same not however, I was at first thinking that they would be shut down by now and long in the wind! As I noted however, the cash is simply too good, to free… so why stop! We don’t even know exactly who they are for goodness sake!
MikeCheck
I wonder when the next batch of informative information comes out?…Wait a minute, we have NEVER gotten any informative information!
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 4:06 am
Mike your hypothesis like anything else rambled is possible! It is amazing that nothing I’ve said seems to sink in, no matter how careful one tries to put it across, this probably means that there is no will to understand anything (just being difficult) or there is empty space in the head (ok, maybe some grass?)It’s something like when a lecturer delivers a good standard lecture and then tests the students and gets a 0% pass rate! Very sad indeed.
I thought it was made quite clear that Themco is not a part of GPP, actually they could lose even more than many of us. So my statement about their action of being unperturbed, was based on their basic trust through having known them for some time. You just try to distroy everything, no matter what!!!! Sorry for you!
Comment by EXTAN — 23rd March 2008 @ 8:30 am
Extan,
The archival pages that Themco removed from their site, held the proof of their tie to GPP. That’s why they removed them.
Comment by zippy — 23rd March 2008 @ 10:25 am
exactly, but there are no ties since some time! Like if you have trouble from a boyfriend, OK? 🙂
Comment by extan — 23rd March 2008 @ 10:41 am
Yea, Like a boyfriend or girlfriend that takes your money and runs. Never to be seen again!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 2:38 pm
No, like the ties are still there,…just invisible, because they have their little fingers in other pies as well as this one, and with the same people.
Comment by zippy — 23rd March 2008 @ 3:19 pm
Why do you think they removed the pages? If it was because they no longer had ties, then they would post something in that regards in the blog. But ,they haven’t. They removed the archives to try and get rid of the evidence that ties them to the people running GPP.
Comment by zippy — 23rd March 2008 @ 3:23 pm
Well said zippy!
Tell you what, they’d better work harder at hiding than they are doing now! Ha, once info is out on the web…it is on the web! The info is out there,
it’ll still be found. Perhaps they’d be better of coming correct. I’d suggest that they do. Perhaps cop a plea agreement. All bets would probably be off if GPP got caught first. They need to realize that. GPP would drop the info to save their skins and bring them down w/ them. Something for TeamThemco to think about if any or them are reading this blog…
Funny it almost sounds as if I were trying to look out for the accomplaces to GPP’s crime. I actually am in one respect. A little good will towards TTCo.
I will say Happy Easter to all and I hope that you have a wonderful day!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 3:54 pm
Oh my goodness!
I simply cannot believe what I’m seeing… Now I suspected that TeamThemco was a scam draped in the guise of a company that may be getting duped, but that is not the case!
TeamThemco is a player with GPP! Talk about a scam!!! My friends, if you do not believe me allow me to show you what they have said THEMSELVES!!!
We see that we are going to need Stella’s support in connection with the presentation of the bank accounts and particularly with regard to providing a letter from the disbursement bank, to conclusively demonstrate that the funds are clean and clear and not generated from criminal activities. Without this letter, no bank will accept the funds, so this is very important that it is in the correct format.
————-Now here they were referencing the Charity. If stella has a charity, why is she asking for funds in this investment environment? Cheesy!!! Scam like, and shamefull.
Oh even worse!! You all will have to read this!!! Again in their own words!!!—- I must say, this is absolutely to very sad to see! This statement from TeamThemco will surely end the thought of a payout! Let’s find them and shut this scam down!!! Unacceptible. We have continually been told to “be quiet”, “payout is right around the corner”, “be continually patient”, etc… Well many have been! I’m saddened for those who have large amounts of money invested but you must read this. This came out March 7th from TeamThemco… (New paragraph for ease of reading…..
“In conclusion, we would like to voice our own thoughts on the GPP banking solution. It is our view that the GPP Banking solution is very far from being a done deal. GPP, or a third party, still have to secure a Banking Licence. Does this banking licence qualify them as a clearing bank? If it does not, then it is our opinion that they will have to access the electronic interbank SWIFT payment system via a correspondent bank.”
Let me let you see this scentence once again from TeamThemco (who apparently knows quite a bit of GPP info, with their gmail account)…
—It is our view that the GPP Banking solution is very far from being a done deal.
—GPP, or a third party, still have to secure a Banking Licence.
Yes my friends, we have been LIED to.
This is practically undisputable. SCAM SCAM SCAM!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 8:52 pm
My friends,
This is actually a continuation of my previous post (Please take note… I think that you’ll appreciate the following). Look at this nonsense…. This was said by TeamThemco..
“Whilst we have discontinued posting the GPP Forum posts for security reasons, we understand that some members are still having trouble accessing the Forum. Therefore we will include this post by Stella, since it appears to be causing some confusion.”
This steps on everones intelligence. WHAT SECURITY REASON WOULD THE HAVE IN POSTING FROM GPP FORUMS!!! This site has nothing that can pose a thret to TeamThemco’s personal address!!!!!!!!!! I guess their cut and pasting from one site to theirs would cause their servers to blow up!! HA!
One more… This was in January!!! I just can’t get over how hard they are clowning us members!!! I just cannot believe this!!! Digg this! They are now doing us a great service to help us not have to pay taxes… How nice of them. All we have to do is, guess what…. WAIT!!!
” Assuming GPP policy sales fall under Capital Gains Tax (CGT), it may be beneficial for people with policies, or indeed multiple policies, who are subject to UK Taxation, to consider delaying receiving payment from GPP, until after 5th April 2008, the end of the tax year.”
Alright they were asking for an additional 3 months here. It is now March. Guess they are going to next say, they want to wait until Summer Vacation! SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!
Please read the previous post… The 5th paragraph, please note…
This scam is just crazy large!! This was a good one! I simply cannot believe the money that they are continually receiving after all of these delays, scam charities, non-company gmail email addresses, no company addresses, no last names, running around in circles, NO LICENSE (Umm, should this have been had before the program began), and stable bank. NOW IF THEY DO NOT HAVE A BANK, WHERE ARE THE FUNDS LOCATED?
I can’t wait for a response on this and the previous post!!!!!
Somebody put this info onto those other sites, blogs, whatever. Thsi scam is all over the place. We need to shut this down. I don’t know how… Yet, but I’ll try to help in this “solution”.
MikeCheck
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Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 9:15 pm
No this is really getting stupid…
Themco’s statements in Mikes( Scam,Scam,Scam)looooooooooooong letter if correctly quoted clearly shows that their connection with GPP is not up to scratch any more, so the archives are of no real value, because that obviously does not prove the present situation!
The obvious fact is that the waiting game is also getting on their nerves, so GPP better hurry up and give us a regular progress report and stop their senseless postings.
But let me tell you it appears to be a total waste of time to talk to people like you who do not seem to see any “deductive” present scenario to determine whether this is actually a scam or not, using basic human behaviour as described earlier that makes a payout entirely plausible, but there certainly seems to be a problem with the banking solution, so I hope this can be solved soon?!
No use to hack on negative stuff, it is only destructive, very sick indeed from one particular post!
Comment by extan — 23rd March 2008 @ 9:56 pm
Extan’
Teamthemco are not bothered at all, they are in on it! have you not noticed the lack of anything lately on there blog? No questions? Nothing! Did you read the reply i had from them in a previous post? It made no sense at all. And as mike said, if they do not have a bank, where are the millions of our money at the moment? Have you had a reply from gpp yet? I have not.
Comment by Blade68 — 23rd March 2008 @ 11:07 pm
Extan,
Get real. How about this for a deduction. The sun rises and sets each day. I therefore can deduce that it will happen tomorrow. Yes how is that for a proper deduction. It will happen tomorrow, not next month, then the next.
Tell you what, why don’t you tell me that their very own statements don’t in effect incriminate them… THEIR OWN WORDS.
Let me ask, you think that charity is valid? Would you contribute?
Let me put it like this. I would not like to see any others get scammed. Based on what you have seen, do you think that it is a good idea to invest again?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd March 2008 @ 11:26 pm
Extan,
Could it be that Mike Check is hitting a chord on you that is why the inner frustration and angst are coming off the surface? You’re trying to claim you’re not a part of the game, but subconsciously defending them? Mike’s letter,whether long or short should not illicit that kind of denial unless you’re being affected? Human nature is pretty transparent and if you have any conscience left in you, please enough with the lies. I want my money back plus interest!!!
Comment by Kitz — 24th March 2008 @ 1:36 am
Some interesting posts since I last visited. Was wondering extan, if you were a part of wealthcreationclub.com? If anyone wants to take a trip down memory lane, go to http://www.wealthcreationclub.com. This was set up in 2005, but the links to gpp do not work. This was the initial link for gpp, but they had to change it due to DDOS attacks, or so they claimed. Still it is an interesting read. Wonder just how many joined this club? Kind of like TeamThemco. Wonder which one had the most members?
Comment by EagleOne — 24th March 2008 @ 5:28 am
Kitz you are talking utter rubbish and Angst wird gross geschrieben, guess you are a Mike-scam-scam-scam-Check fan? Good for you! I should not react to your stuff, people here know that I’m not part of GPP, but we know a lot of people all ower the world and I had a good education in various directions. In think EagleOne tends to talk sense, there are a few others, unfortunately the rest are just bubbling rubbish that leads to absolutely nowhere!! Elephantendreck!
By the way, not part of any scheme, just investing in the stock exchange, not much going on at the moment, probably because of G. W. Bush?
Comment by extan — 24th March 2008 @ 9:34 am
i have sat and watched this blog and read it with some amusement,i am with extan on this,you all say lets go get em,why not let it run its course,if nothing happens then go get em. no point in trying to stir up a hornets nest,
if it is a scam not much can be done now,dont stir it just be patient!
Comment by jacko — 24th March 2008 @ 11:13 am
So, jacko, how do you know when it’s over?
Comment by zippy — 24th March 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Extan,
You keep saying things, and not providing info. You keep talking about your education in many things, your research on GPP, and pretty much show nothing. No, you do not have to prove nothing to me, but if you are going to let us know of these great accomplishments…then let us know!
If you are not a part of GPP, are you at least invested as others here?
Jacko,
You are right, there is nothing that we can do about the monies already provided (I would like to hope that there is something that we could do about it), but that is not the point. The point is to prevent others from falling prey to this scam. As we all see, this scam is going to continue on and on, and on! There will be no close.
Jacko, I’m wondering, were you making a joke about just being patient? If you were then I’m laughing along with you on that one. If not….
I’m just waiting to see when this solution occurs… I mean the nextextension of the pay date. I’ll bet that this will be another good excuse!
Oh yea, Extan, if this is not a scam then where is the money? In GPP’s pocket? Funny that the location of this cash is never discussed. Funny that there is no solution, and funny that GPP does not see a solution anytime in the future.
By the way let me just say…. SCAM, SCAM, SCAM.SCAM!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 24th March 2008 @ 1:59 pm
am getting bored by this now!
Comment by jacko — 24th March 2008 @ 4:32 pm
Jacko,
What would you suggest?
Extan,
Heard anything from TeamThemco of substance?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 24th March 2008 @ 7:59 pm
Yes Jako, I’m also getting bored to death with Mike-the-Scam-Checker and all the other negative nerds, can they really stop other people to invest in this potentially wonderful opportunity, or are they just jealous or simply trouble makers? No idea what I should explain to MC because I’m not an information desk. In any case if they cannot understand the most simple logic about human behaviour, or are just downright difficult, then nobody can ever help them! GPP will pay out, but they should hurry up and communicate with us!!!!
Comment by ExTaN — 24th March 2008 @ 8:42 pm
Extan,
Im not sure who your “other negative nerds” was aimed at, but you constantly imply that you know things, but you never give any proof of how you have made these assumptions, we are getting tired of asking you and getting no response. You are also regularly quite rude about people on here. I also don’t know why you feel the need to tell us all about your degree of education, which does not seem to be backed up by your posts.
As i have said before, i have got policies with gpp and would like to see them pay out. But we have had nothing positive from them at all. Anyone with average intelligence must now realise that something is wrong.
Over to you Extan.
Comment by Blade68 — 24th March 2008 @ 9:15 pm
Hmmm… Seems to me that I would have no need to be jealous as there is a continually open oportunity for me to throw my money away… I mean, buy another contract…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 24th March 2008 @ 9:36 pm
Just an observation. There is a big difference between receiving an education and being educated. Henry Ford was an educated man, but had no education. I know many people who have received an education, but don’t have the common sense to come in out of the rain. I have also learned over the years usually when someone has to continuously tell someone about their accomplishments, they have an inner feeling of inadequacy or rejection. It is like the old saying, “no-one cares how much you know until they know how much you care.” I for one would prefer to see more “information” than how educated one claims to be.
This notion that some people know more than others, but can’t divulge the information, is nothing more than a smoke screen. If you want to believe this is real, then by all means buy all the additional policies you can. Those of us who aren’t buying any of the hype around this program aren’t being hurt when you do. You are only hurting yourself. I always have lived by the motto when someone wants to act like a fool, get out of the way and let them do it.
Those of us who do not believe GPP is real, were only trying to keep others from joining or buying additional policies; not those of you who are already members. Forewarned is better than being forlorn.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th March 2008 @ 10:08 pm
Eagle,
That was so well said that I must make note…
When someone must pump themself up, you are right, then there is an inadequacy. I have seen before the same thing. Untruths begin to build, and build and build.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th March 2008 @ 2:03 am
Extan,
And since becoming part of this group, I’ve never read any post of yours that made sense. All I can deduce from your posts is that either you’re sent here by GPP to stir up something or you’re a leech. More of a leech I must say. It could be that innate hope that maybe GPP will suddenly pay you to show us skeptics that yes, they do pay!!!! Well, good luck, Meister!
Comment by Kitz — 25th March 2008 @ 3:12 am
Whilst I don’t believe Mr. Gilder’s TeamThemco to be GPP, they are certainly setting themselves up to be the only contact.
According to their latest ‘blog,’ Stella has responded ’emotionally(!)’ to the appeal for funds towards the Friends of Stella’s Charity Fund which in turn appears to be linked with the mysterious Bread for Kids, whose UK representative is Mr. Paul Healy. On the Bread for Kids website they list the approved sponsors of their scheme – but, in spite of a warning that these are the only approved sponsors and a request that anyone else displaying their logo shall be reported, Mr. Healy seems to have been remiss in his duties since GPP is not listed.
TeamThemco have their headquarters in a delightfully bucolic rural setting in the environs of London. And their telephone number is linked to a property development company.
So at any rate, they will be contactable should GPP disappear over the horizon.
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 7:41 am
Hi Owen, exactly what I tried to say, GPP will not dissappear because the likes of Themco and many others could help Interpol to catch them and the world is too small to hide!
Is this useful info, surely not because it is positive?????? !!
Blade and others, just what info are you exactly wanting from me, or what proof do I have to give, the only information I have was usually placed into a typical lecture mode, so if anyone cannot snap the basic info/truth about things so be it! I have already given up to try to let anybody understand, because nothing seems to sink in!
And EagleOne does not like to be placed on a little throne 🙂 . You also said: “I have also learned over the years usually when someone has to continuously tell someone about their accomplishments, they have an inner feeling of inadequacy or rejection.” You are so right… but actually I have made my mark over and over, almost to exhaustion, and surely one does not get popular that way, because that hurts inadequate persons, because they think you tread on their toes, actually there is a place for everyone! One can find my accomlishments on the internet, being quoted all over in scientific publications, etc., so nothing to hide, innovative patents developed on the run (a family trait, you may be a good business men, I’m not), so here I’m bragging again full of inadequacy and being rejected just in the stupid UK buzz, simply because I’m positive and critical of non-sense posts?
And Kitz, are you from Israel and do not like the bloody Germans or what is your problem, poor chap indeed, put on your dipers and hold tight and get positive and contribute some hope for us mankind!
Comment by extan — 25th March 2008 @ 10:32 am
But Extan, because TeamThemco claim to have heard from the enigmatic and presently tongue-tied Stella, it doesn’t mean they know any more about them than you or I.
However in promoting their phony charity, they will be putting themselves certainly within the purview of the fraud Department of the City of London Police.
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 12:02 pm
well everyone is waiting for Stella and Co to get their tongue untied and to tell us what is happening to our money i.e. the bank solution, I guess they have run against the big banks through which they have to go through!? We could supply those bank managers with chocolate and dried meat(biltong) and a rugby ball to make them happy, in our country it would work :-).
Comment by extan — 25th March 2008 @ 1:51 pm
There is never any problem with banks for legitimate enterprises.
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 2:12 pm
maybe for some enterprises that have too much money that were generated through legal but unconventional (innovative) methods, greed and jealousy tend to creep in everywhere and G.W.Bush sees a terrorist behind every tree!
Comment by extan — 25th March 2008 @ 2:31 pm
Where would greed and jealousy enter in to it? When I was in banking, we would welcome any legitimate client with open arms – it’s how banks make money! And George Bush does not run nor even influence the international banking community.
There are no ‘unconventional or innovative’ methods in finance.
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 3:15 pm
G.W Bush and consorts manufactured 9-11 to control the financial world like never before, maybe you forgot that every transaction above a certain amount is now checked for so called money laundering, that’s where GPP comes in (handling lots of money), a so called “small fish” with lots of money and obviously the banks can abuse their power like the police does, sure you will also disagree that even a Fiedel Castro would kill a person that dared to disagree with him?
Have a good day!!
Comment by extan — 25th March 2008 @ 3:26 pm
Ah Ha – the dreaded conspiracy theory. Always surfaces when scams implode.
But if the GPP funds are not illegal nor is there any involvement in money laundering, why would a bank not accept them? They are fully entitled to.
And before you even mention it, I was in international banking after 9/11.
Talking of wacko conspiracy theories, how’s Nesara doing nowadays?
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 3:35 pm
I’ll tell you one thing, if this business (I mean SCAM) has these Billions on hand, why do they even need a bank. Surely, they could almost act as one themselves.
Please do not insult our intelligence by saying something about jealousy withthese financial activities. That is nothing more than rediculous. If that were the case, other major banks would be “jealous” of the other then the financial structure would fall. But note, it HASN’T!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th March 2008 @ 4:46 pm
extan: Let me be blunt. You totally missed the points I was making. What you don’t get is we got it the first time you told us about your “education.” You seem to think that just because you received an education, which I applaud you for, therefore makes anything you say indisputable and correct. You also have the misconception that “education” equals “educated.” We are all to just accept what you say as being true solely based on your “education.” That is the impression you give with your posts.
I have learned in life that the more “education” one receives, the more gullible they become and reluctant or embarrassed to admit it. Their “ego” gets in the way of any common sense or logical thought.
By your own admission you state you are not a good business man. Correct me if I am wrong, but GPP is a business is it not? If you are not a good business man, then on what grounds does your comments have any more validity than anyone else’s? In fact, one could very easily argue you have no valid points to make at all due to your ineptness in business.
I have friends who have more degrees, titles, certifications than most people would ever dream of or wish having. Yet, these same people cannot balance a checkbook, tie their shoes (literally) and barely function in “life.” However, they are a genius in their field, and are so recognized. They do not run around telling everyone over and over how many degrees they have, etc., etc.. There is a difference between talking the talk and walking the walk. Remember: Your talk walks, and your walk talks; but your walk talks further than your talk walks.
Comment by EagleOne — 25th March 2008 @ 5:45 pm
Mike – even with billions to hand,they would still need a banking licence. And money alone does not get you one (whatever the adverts in the offshore magazines tell you).
And details of bank licences are published – along with audited balance sheets and details of directors and shareholders.
‘Stella’ and a Googlemail address won’t be quite enough, I’m afraid.
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 5:48 pm
Ok Owen, maybe you agree that the “bank world” changed dramatically after 9-11?! So why did it, because Osama said so?
And EagleOne, you got so worked up that you spend so much time to try to put me down? Be glad that I’m so honest about my not so good natural business TALENT, all I need to do is to invest properly and in the last 15 years I always hit the nail on it’s head, often made 50% gain per annum, but I would prob. not start my own business, my son did (superb TALENT from his mother). But wait until GPP pays out 🙂
Mike you are in dreamland, no clue how corrupt humans and banks can be! Usually inside jobs… Owen, maybe you were too honest?
Now to really eat your hearts out, Stella contacted some members about the lost applications from December and said that they were fixed up as can be verified in their profiles. Did she imply by that action that she is about to run away???
Surely you will now explain a negative version of what she is up to, true to your absolutely hopeless characters, scam scam scam(I have heard better descriptions about these types)!
Comment by eXtAn — 25th March 2008 @ 6:27 pm
Owen,
Indeed. Yes, I can see that banking licence is needed. I’m going to be one to admit that I know little about banking. The point that I wanted to make however, is that with these supposed Billions, GPP should be able, to have established some kind of banking resolution. With billions couldn’t you obtain such a license… Someone I’d suspect, could do so. — On that same note, I’d find it to be very suspicious that a creditable bank would not accept these funds! Can you immagine the interest per day that a bank could make! —So again I ask… WHERE ARE THE FUNDS!!!??! Are these billions hiding under a mat?
IF A BANK WONT ACCEPT THEM IN THE FIRST PLACE WHERE ARE THEY STORED?
HOW CAN THESE BILLIONS EVEN BE SUBSTANCIATED!!
I can just say that I have Trillions of dollars. That means nothing to people who have entrusted their money to you.
I see it like this:
1) That money does not exist in the first place
2) Surely, a smaller amount exists, but these Millions are surely distributed to the players, and parties of GPP.
This nonsense about some kind of solution is crazy. Why should this have taken so long? Why would they even consider saying something about the solution not being completed soon? Well, they did say it. I’m disturbed that such a company can continue to exist. Only taking in funds and showing no info or way that their scheme can come to actualization!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th March 2008 @ 6:57 pm
As, on their own (or Stella’s) admission, the hold up with GPP is the lack of a ‘banking solution’ perhaps it is time to put to rest the stupid canards often postulated concerning banks and banking.
GPP state that the problem is that the regulations have changed. But they haven’t in the past few years been amended significantly.
9/11, that wonderful excuse, had no effect on international banking procedures. The equally often used excuse of the Patriot Act related only to banks with correspondent accounts in the US and, in any case, only beefed up the precautions already being undertaken by major banks world wide to combat money laundering.
International banks are not regulated, as some seem to think, by the United States government but by two international consortiums, the OECD and the FATF whose headquarters are not in Washington DC but in Paris, France.
Those who believe that governments and the banks are out to get the ‘little man’ are also those who believe that 30 euros will transmute base metal into the gold of 55,000!
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th March 2008 @ 7:36 pm
Extan,
Ok, so you’ve just told me that your family has a great business talent for making money, and that GPP will payout.
Well now, did I ever tell you that I made Billions last year on investments that paid over 1000%? Did I also tell you of my 5 Doctorates in various fields? Did I ever tell you that Jr. is also a financial genius that has done the same, and is now too, a Billionaire?
This paragraph contains a lot of words that spell out scentences that mean NOTHING to us. Thanks for telling us this information that we have no idea about… Much like GPP. What does that tell me though.
Let’s go on the primise that banks are corrupt. They still have someone that they must answer to. Who does GPP answer to? Let’s put it like this… If I had $1000.00 to HOLD… Not even to invest, just hold, would I:
1) Put it in a “corrupt” bank insuring my money
2) Hold it in one of GPP’s internet banks?
Hmmm, let me see. Let me weigh the possibilities…
1) I know where my bank is located, so I know where I can find the $.
2) I have no information (discounting that what must be dug for) of the location of these internet banks GPP uses.
1) I can easily withdraw any money that I have placed into a real bank.
2) I cannot easily withdraw money from one og GPP’s internet banks… INFACT, YOU CANNOT WITHDRAW MONEY AT ALL FROM ONE OF THESE BANKS!!! Try it if you don’t believe me!
1) A real bank has Absolutly no concern with jealousy of anyone! The bank is a business, not some jealous individual who wants what the joneses have.
2) GPP’s banks – Supposedly have to worry about entites who want to bring down their system. Gost in the machine huh? Wach out for DDS attacks! Tells me that they have a substandard website. Just a minute, I’m getting GPP confused with the internet bank… Does not matter, they are both on and of like a stoplight.
My goodness the list goes on and on… NOW WHO WOULD YOU CHOOSE!
You still think that I have no grounds to call this a SCAM?
Tell you what,
Since you are not going to address any othe the questions posed, why don’t you tell us of this research that you did. BETTER yet, link us to your books, or articles or even allow us to see these papers that you speak of, unless this too references the mere words in a scentence.
You know I’m wrong if I sound to be attacking you. It is as it is however. If you have ties to any related to GPP, why don’t you let us members know something, other than telling us info of absolutely no benefit…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th March 2008 @ 7:49 pm
To gain a better insight as far as whom you’re dealing with here in the case of both GPP and Themco, it might be enlightening to take a look at the only other program Themco is promoting – FXClub.info. Which BTW separately from GPP “Stella” also promoted at one point.
FXClub.info was a low-fee, high pay-out advance-fee membership, MLM-based scam similar in design to GPP. It’s linked to many of the same Scandanavian-based individuals that also appear to be assoicated with GPP and HCI25. In particular, Hatfield Oaks which is directly associated with Frode Jorgenson/PlexPay, and with Tom Sornes/SNGInvest.com and some others going back to the old PIPS scam days. Google any of the above names and you’ll have a much more clear picture of the backgrounds of the kinds of people who now also are promoting GPP and HCI25.
Comment by JH — 25th March 2008 @ 8:40 pm
extan: Thanks for proving my points. I couldn’t have done it better myself. What is tragic is you still don’t get what I was saying, and this from a man who loves to remind everyone of his education.
But you left out of your bank’s conspiracy theory the rich don’t want the little guy to succeed. They want to keep him poor so they can control him. It is all part of the conspiracy theory. I’m just surprised that a man of your education level, investment acumen, and talent would have left it out. Which raises another question. If you are so well versed in investments, making these wonderful returns, a man with your self-professed talents, education, etc. then why would you even think of joining GPP?
Comment by EagleOne — 25th March 2008 @ 8:52 pm
My friends,
I can’t believe that I did not notice this earlier! What I have realized is something showing me that GPP is VERY suspect. Not truly directly related to GPP, but I think that it is. No, it is.
If not for anything else, I’ll just say that I’ve noticed a patern.
I’ll return on this subject.
Everyone, stop people from entering into this scam.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 26th March 2008 @ 3:35 am
The ‘pattern’ you may have noticed is that almost all of these internet scams rely upon the gullibility and lack of knowledge of the victims. There is nothing new,innovative or even smart about GPP or any of its sister scams that relies for its success on kidding the public that they, the promoters, have this inside track on generating unrealistic returns.
Perhaps the only clever thing about this particular scam is that, by setting the investment bar low at 30 euros, they would deflect any serious consequences arising when the project failed to pay out, an eventuality which they already had made provision for in their original offering.
That people, for greed or whatever reason, prefer to take the word of anonymous websites as opposed to financial professionals is the stuff that keeps the scamsters rolling merrily along.
CNBC tonight airs a programme, American Greed, one of the segments of which concerns the fraudulent Grenada bank, FIBG, which was the subject of my book, One Big Fib.
Worth watching for those that believe in financial miracles
Comment by Owen Platt — 26th March 2008 @ 8:09 am
EagleOne, very easy to understand what you said, Mike Scam did not understand that I was just trying to correct some wrong info you tried to imply and I did not address him at all.
About the rich and poor, the rich get perks, freebees, discounts, etc. and the poor have to pay all the junk, also bank fees, hire purchase costs, etc! So, do you get the hint, just telling this to show that the banks are owning/controlling the poor.
Owen you contradict yourself, of course the banks have changed, e.g. it used to be easy to transfer exchange money, fortunately the credit card can still be used. About the conspiracy, why do you think was the Euro created and now for the Mexicans to join the USA and also consolidating Africa, Asia, etc, then everything is much easier to CONTROL?! A 60 year plan in the making!
Good luck with your negative ramblings!
Take Care
Mike your 552, my girlfriend had such a good laugh, what more do I need to say, so much fury?
Comment by extan — 26th March 2008 @ 8:55 am
Hi extan,
Where are we on the Kubler-Ross scale? Still in stage one(denial), I see 🙂
Ever occured to you that maybe “stella” might be going through all the trouble, just because GPP is a scam. It’s not easy business to get 100000 people into believing in fairy tales. My hat off to “stella”. Of course if Extan is able to provide proof about GPP being able to deliver, I’m willing to join.
Some african prince contacted me by email and promised huge money, but I have to pay some fees naturally in order to recieve millions of dollars.
I mean, why would african prince lie to me just to get my money… 😉
So, I could buy GPP insurances, lets say, 2000 pieces, with money that is coming to me in near future…
Comment by Rokka — 26th March 2008 @ 10:29 am
Hi Rokka,
good to see some smileys, me still in denial? Just boring at my work, going down the hill… 3rd or 5th world stuff, oh well actually I noticed that you did not read my previous posts, don’t have to, but the only proof that GPP will pay is e.g. that her last action to phone some members (friendly) and replacing lost memberships out of her pocket to activate their additional memberships. Now you (and in particular Mike Scam) would say “well she will steal that money in any case and then run away”…
Does not make sense in my book, many of her actions (excluding the unprof stuff) show her to be predictable in a crude way, maybe a even bit of a world healer, just watch out 🙂 i.e. surely not the running type!
Comment by extan — 26th March 2008 @ 12:10 pm
Kubler-Ross scale: see Rokka…
Denial: “It can’t be happening.” All the scammers!!!
Anger: “Why me? It’s not fair.” Everone against Extan huhhhhuu
Bargaining: “Just let me live to see my children graduate.”
Depression: “I’m so sad, why bother with anything?”
Acceptance: “It’s going to be OK.” GPP will pay out on 1st April 🙂
Comment by extan — 26th March 2008 @ 12:36 pm
Awww poor Extan,
We feel sorry for your pain. This pain should be directed towards the people who have had their money stolen
Let me ask, what do you have against rich people. Seeminly to me, that you want to be one. In fact, In accordance with previous postings you are rich due to your 50% yearly returns. Probably able to do this with your “great education”. Your words do not prove anything to me. I’ve heard nothing relating to any financial calculations, or other wording. Owen has presented valid info with backing. I haven’t heard anything as such from you.
Extan, I’m so happy that you and your girlfriend had such a good “nervous” laugh at what I said in post 552! Why don’t you complete this laugh by telling me that everything I said in the #2 statements were wrong.
Please explain to everyone your amusement and discredit what I said. Tell us all of how funny my statemnts were. Share you amusement!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 26th March 2008 @ 3:28 pm
Owen:
Link to the CNBC feature that you referenced:
http://www.cnbc.com/id/23240841/site/14081545/
Comment by JH — 26th March 2008 @ 10:12 pm
Wow… Now I’m already going to watch this but it is also amazing at how much info I’ve found on these same type of schemes!
MAN! Anything for a dollar! As the song goes, “Cash rules everything around us!
This is shanefull. Everyone, if you have the opportunity to see this watch it!!! This I’m sure will enlighten us all.
Extan, I’d suggest that you also see this. I’m curious as to your take on this.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 27th March 2008 @ 12:26 am
Great show! How can anyone now believe that GPP is not a scam anymore! If you missed it, reffer to post 562 for the link!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 27th March 2008 @ 4:15 am
Hard work gets you know where in this world.
Lying and cheating people out of their hard worked money does.
but some how it always comes to light in the end.
GPP will get caught! 99,998 people will be looking for them…Extan and JH will sit waiting for their payouts…or in their case pay off..
bahahahahahahaha
Comment by busting gut — 27th March 2008 @ 6:24 am
Hello Extan,
I admit, I might have been wrong. You might be on fifth stage already (GPP will pay out 1.4).Why am I not surprised that payout date happens to be aprils fool day 🙂
2.4 we can change the kubler-ross model to kubler-ross-extan model: stage 6. dissappointment, stage 7. denial. etc.
But I totally understand you, why rely on facts(or lackthereof) when you can just have faith. Ever wonder why this “stella pohjola”, who is supposedly running GPP, is not known here in Finland at all?
If she’s such a financial mastermind, who is able to run a multibillion insurance business, someone in here in a small country like Finland would have heard of her.
OR is she keeping her self low profile, because people are envious and jealous. Something along the line of this answer I’m waiting from you, Extan ; )
Remember, pessimist never gets dissapointed…
Comment by Rokka — 27th March 2008 @ 7:49 am
Sure I had a look at those con men, funny some people look so tame and can be so clever, just take Nigeria, perfect brains for scams.
Rokka, April 1 fools day payout was just a joke as it should be!
About Stella and Co, not easy to guess their next move, much too quiet at the moment, I can only judge what they had done until now, I mean human behaviour and at the moment it looks that Stella only selectively contacts certain members whenever needed, but it looks positive!
About this blog, most friends we know are disgusted at what is published here, nothing constructive, just pulling everything into the ground, so I have to adjust to this situation, maybe just stop to post anything, thought it was fun and to keep busy!
Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 9:10 am
BG: I hate to be the one to tell you this, but JH is not a GPP supporter. Far from it.
Comment by EagleOne — 27th March 2008 @ 9:20 am
extan, I would not be surprised to see you stop posting. You aren’t the first that has done so. Seems the more the heat is turned up on this scam, the harder it is to defend it with nothing but “positive thinking,” so you bail.
By the way, did you see where David Shirmer, the guy who promoted the law of positive attraction, had to appear before the Federal Courts in Australia? Now I wonder how a person who lived by this law of positive attraction could have encountered this law of negative attraction? I thought that was impossible, or so those who believe in the “Secret’s” claim. It must be a conspiracy by those banks….wait, David is one of the rich people, so therefore it can’t be a bank conspiracy. Hmmm, now I am confused as to what caused all of this. Maybe you can shed some light on this for me before you stop posting since you believe in the law of positive attraction. I look forward to your assistance.
Comment by EagleOne — 27th March 2008 @ 9:30 am
no idea about David, not my brother 🙂
Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 9:51 am
no bail out, lots of positive things to talk about, just getting sick when nobody appears to have brains to understand the most simple facts
Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 9:55 am
Extan, I got that april fools day being the payout day was a joke, as is GPP.
You keep referring to human behaviour, why is that? If anything, human behaviour explains axactly why these kind of get-rich-quick schemes work. There are and always will be people who are greedy and/or simple, and there are people(scammers) who take advantage of these people.
And I didn’t get an answer to my question about stella. So, let me repeat it: Why is stella, as a person running a multibillion business, unheard of here in Finland? With this kind of incredible plan, one would think that her name would all over finnish financial magazines, wouldn’t you agree. Now only finnish info on the internet you find about Stella, leads to forums where GPP is the subject.
And about Stella contacting some members, my guess is that stella is contacting members with biggest downlines to calm people down. That way she can keep stalling and buying time. And when you say, “why would stella go through the trouble just to take our money?”
Well, hate to break it to you, but that’s exactly why she did it. I mean, we’re talking about millions…
Comment by Rokka — 27th March 2008 @ 10:06 am
The assumption has been Stella is a woman, but it is based solely on the name. No proof Stella is a she, but is a she in name only. Now wouldn’t it be interesting to find out that Stella is a man.
Now what is even more interesting is that people will believe that the banks conspire against the little guy, but they have a real address, phone number, real people’s names available to anyone, E-mail addresses that don’t use free E-mail services, and a whole host of other identifiable and verifiable contact information but scam the little guy; but will believe in a person who only has one name, uses a free E-mail service, no contact information of any kind, the trust is unknown, and none of their contact information is known, and the insurance company and lending institution also are total unknowns, but are only helping the little guy. Talk about the human psyche.
Comment by EagleOne — 27th March 2008 @ 10:46 am
Rokka, i wouldn’t hold your breath for an answer from extan, he hasn’t answered a single question of relevance yet!
EXTAN, you keep on about people having no brains to understand. I believe you have the brain of a ten year old, and a slow one at that!
Blind faith is the only thing you have going. “it looks positive” your quote! explain to us how it looks positive?
And no more of your educated looking down your nose at us brainless mortals please.
Comment by Blade68 — 27th March 2008 @ 12:24 pm
If you go into a chat room, some people may try to fool you but it is quite easy to figure out who is a man or a women, just use your 6th sense if you got one, (discounting drag queens, “moffies”, etc,) they generally talk about different things, so Stella is surely not a man, she “talks” like a women, we could find out from a guy that she phoned, unless she used a voice converter :-). “Mine rakastan sinua”, “ich liebe Dich” my girlfriend (Rokka, how is my spelling?)! No idea how Finnish she is, haven’t met her, she did not take up our invitation to come stay with us and bring all the money… We could send you a few cents once we have bought an aircraft etc!
Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 12:51 pm
oh blade, please calm down and I’m not an answering machine!
Have a happy negative day…
Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 12:54 pm
Blade it looks positive when they will soon pay out I expect some news from Stella and Co, wish us luck! Am I slow enough?
Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 1:01 pm
poor stelliar working so hard… please help her
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Please provide complete information right away to save my time and efforts!
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I’ve set a deadline to claim the refunds for failed sign ups and failed additional policy purchases occured on December 2007, and it is:
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Check your records and if needed, request your refund no later than the end of this month.
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Comment by busting gut — 27th March 2008 @ 2:45 pm
So the Dec. refund gets stopped at 31.March 2008 then Arpril looks ok for my birthday present from GPP 🙂 ? Mike what do you think, will they run?
Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 3:11 pm
Extan.
What kind of an answer is that? Blind faith again!
“it looks positive when they will soon pay out I expect some news from Stella and Co,”
I have policies to sell at £30 each, i promise to pay out, Extan how many do you want?
Also got magic beans £5 each, a magic lamp for £50 etc etc etc.
Comment by Blade68 — 27th March 2008 @ 9:24 pm
I guess GPP will pay out in April, if not then you NEGS have won, else the dogs will p on your legs!
Blade68, sorry I have nothing to do with you, I owe you absolutely bogorol niks fokol nothing, I don’t like humming s..t flies around my head, no need to answer anything to you because I am not GPP, and if you can’t stand someone to be positive, then once again please drown in your negativity!!!!
Rokka, you see denial phase has just ended, now comes the angry stuff, I’m figuratively loading my 8mm Sport Mauser, practiced in Namibia on the farm as a kid, lovely life, shot my first Kudu at age 13 accidentaly from 100m with a .22 rifle, bragging again :-). Well, we had meat for the month, so no waste.
Have a good night!
Comment by extan — 27th March 2008 @ 10:03 pm
Extan,
Grow up, learn the english language if you are going to try and speak it. You don’t seem to have any grasp on reality.
Braggers are more often than not, liars.
Comment by Blade68 — 28th March 2008 @ 12:21 am
My friends,
Allow me to mention the pattern that I was referencing. Owen, yes that pattern fo the various scams was noted. In fact, the review of other sites after watching that show on CNBC, allowed me to see them even clearer.
What I wanted to note is something about your buddy ExTan,extan, or EXTAN. Have you all noticed this? I was curious at first about this “guy”. I thought that perhaps I could have been wrong, so I reviewed his comments. When I went through past posts and realixed that I could identify each based on their wording, I knew that I was right! Everyone, this is THREE different people!!! We are being played!
No wonder that even after this enlightnibg program do “THEY” seemingly remain positive! There is now no reason to believe that there will be a payout! These guys are living the life somewhere…
These guys are probably rolling around in their Bentley, living the life! After all who really can be that dense! Guess that they think that we are. Tell you what, If I can get access to other blogs, I’m going to release!
Sorry Extan’s Your covers have been blown!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th March 2008 @ 3:31 am
blade68, when I was 24 I already looked full time after kids aged 10 and 11, instant family, so if I have to grow up to learn English or if you think I’m lying, then I’m sorry for your incredible sick mind, first show me where I did go wrong (English)or can’t you understand fokol (we have a wine here with that name, it means NOTHING! Not all words were in English. Do you understan F O ? Please do and mind your own business!
Comment by extan — 28th March 2008 @ 7:58 am
I feel sorry to see this former profound blog reducing itself to a personal feud between a few people here. I would be grateful to see you return to sophistication and a respectful behaviour amongst each other. It surely would improve the quality of this blog. Thanks.
Comment by snartmor — 28th March 2008 @ 8:24 am
Snartmor – unfortunately, that always seems to be the trend on these forums after a while. When I was researching for my book on the Pips fiasco, I resorted to the forums for information.
Some of the personal attacks on my postings were frankly actionable.
Comment by Owen Platt — 28th March 2008 @ 9:17 am
Yes it is a very sorry state, I noted Jako and others moved out quickly, many others just observe this blog in disgust, because they also noted that the negative scam lovers attack the positive guys/gals turning facts around and seeming to understand no plain logic. It is not a healthy situation, it is more akin to a fanatic scam scam sickness! It is utterly destructive, nothing good can come from this. No scientific type of reasoning can be handled on this blog.
Take care!
Comment by EXTAN — 28th March 2008 @ 11:57 am
am still here,reading and watching,not much to say really,
just waiting for the payout.still being positive!
Comment by jacko — 28th March 2008 @ 12:45 pm
good to see a “Positive”, I think after 31 March when the refunds stop, then GPP must (will) surely get moving, my “offshore” bank account with a VERY BIG bank is ready and waiting. Tomorrow, voting in Zimbabwe, wonder how many extra ballot papers were printed for Mugabe to be counted instead of the real papers, that is Africa!
Comment by EXTAN — 28th March 2008 @ 1:05 pm
Extan,
it is you that is being rude about so many people, i dont see many other posts with the swearing you post.
After having it mentioned by several people, you still feel the need to brag and boast. By the way, a .22 rifle would barely kill a rabbit at 50 meters. I grew up with guns, you have to have a lot of knowledge to be a good liar.
When i was 20 i had 2 kids of my own, so what?
You do not have a very good memory either, i am not a negative scam lover, as in my previous posts, i hope it does pay out, but the signs and proof show that it won’t.
Extan, lighten up and get a sense of humour.
Comment by Blade68 — 28th March 2008 @ 1:47 pm
extan,
Please let us all know of this non-scientific information that has been spoken of. At the same time, WHAT FACTS are you speaking of? Is there really any info of value that you or stella’s have provided? You are supposedly close to, or know all of them. — Would you have an idea. I ask this quite seriously.
EXTAN,
You are moving “your” offshore account or GPP is moving ours? I’m not quite sure what you are saying. Would you mind sharing your banks name, unless other banks will get jealous?
All
I’d like to ask something. Is anyone referring to me as placing personal attacks?
I’m hoping is that you are not seeing the info that I mentioned in post 583 as a personal attack. This fact can be found in the blog!
I will say that I am suspect. That is however, an opinion.
Lets review something of value to our money:
We are to begin our next monthly stent of waiting for the payout? Yes, it looks that way.
On another note, this refund should be provided just when? Oh yes, of course by 3/31. So, who’s received their refund??? Dare I say that NO ONE has? Sounds like a ploy to me!
A question of value I’d ask. WHY should anyone be concerned with a refund when we should not have a reason to ask for one. The money should have been provided last year! There should be no reason to ask for such. If the program was closed, the monies should be ready. If this was a valid program, and we knew that the money was coming, then WHY would we be given an option to receive our $40 back? This would allow GPP to have had use our of $40.00 (for in some cases years). So if valid, our $55,000 would be on hold only to provide us with our original $40.00 (with no interest by the way). Seems like this would actually be taking advantage members. Not good business practice if you ask me. This I say because it looks like the $55,000 would then be theirs to keep. Sounds scammy to me, I’m sorry… It just does.
Extan’s and everyone…
I’m not going to say that I agree with what is being said about this payout. I would ask, why would anyone even consider placing their money into an internet bank (of GPP’s). This keeping in mind that your money cannot be touched after the button is pressed? This refund in nonsense!
I will say what is unfortunate is that those who supposedly have an inside link to what is happening with GPP, will not share any info with us all. Some have referrenced this info without providing information. I think of talking about personal finances and degrees from imaginary (yes, my opinion), mean nothing to the reason that we are all here. Our investment!
My friends,
As I have continually mentioned, I’m looking out for others! Why would anyone bring in new members after a program is closed, to a prgram that is offering a refund to members for non performance?
If there is info availible containing good financial value, perhaps we could all re-mention it? This I believe would be of great benefit to us all!!!!!!!!!!!
As to that last paragraph, I’m truly not being sarcastic. Quite seriously, previous valued information combined alltogether would very much enlighten, and soothe concerns. Would you agree? I think that this would be of great benefit.
Good luck to us all,
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th March 2008 @ 3:42 pm
dear extan
i have some very important question to you.
my doughter’s username for GPP is the same as the login ID for http://worldpensionclub.net/.
do you understand? the same!!! 4 letters and 3 numbers.
question: what a incredibel coincidence, is’n it?
Comment by monica — 28th March 2008 @ 6:39 pm
I have been watching this blog for some time now and I have a question. I was brought to this blog by doing some re-search on a past client. His name brought me straight to this site. I don’t know if he was part of this program (GPP) or just someone collecting money on behalf of GPP. The question is did someone previously in this blog mention monies being sent to Canada? I know this is vague but you have to be very careful when dealing with people who run this type of scam. There is way too much money involved.
Comment by Searching — 28th March 2008 @ 8:50 pm
Highly Suspect! Has anyone else noticed this?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th March 2008 @ 9:21 pm
what is highly suspect?
Comment by Searching — 28th March 2008 @ 9:30 pm
Mike, I can’t really understand you?? The refunds are for lost payments during December when there were problems. And please I do not know them = GPP!
Monica, there is no problem, I also use the same ID, easier to remember 🙂
Hi Blade68, must say your tone was better, but you still call me a liar! Sorry, this does not belong into this blog, but that .22 (normally used for small game/birds) really put down the Kudu (it actually fell over) range 100m,(maybe just got a fright?) which is only a bit smaller than an Orix antilope (Gemsbuk), (but it needed another close-by shot). Actually it’s forbidden to use such a small caliber (normally use 7×57 or my 8x60S on big game), but if hit “spot on” it can certainly kill, but mostly may only hurt and cause suffering. Even an airgun can be dangerous, believe me!!
About kids, well my stepdaughter was/is 13 years younger than me at 24, that’s uncommon, to start so early, you told me I have to grow up 🙂 Hope this is clear now?
Battle to sleep, wish me luck.
Comment by extan — 28th March 2008 @ 9:51 pm
again: gpp and wpc give my doughter the same id/username. hello?
extan? they use the same id to better remember?
maby same database, same people, same office (same text on website)? maby a coincidence? maby a new happy start with new “game”?
maby start to think?
maby wpc will payout also, better to join now! the 100’000 members not full yet.
Comment by monica — 28th March 2008 @ 11:35 pm
extan: To make it easier on you, just give us a list of the things you cannot do. It should be a very short list. Then if it is not on the list, you won’t have to take time telling us about it. This way it will save you time and you only need to concern yourself with GPP.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 1:22 am
EagleOne you don’t seem to get the point, total miss! Blade68 called me a liar and I spend just a few lines to TRY to tell him that I’m honest (supply additional info) and I actually told that it does not belong into this blog! Now just take Mikes loooooong letters, or some useless loooooong postings copied from GPP for the 3rd time, so where is your problem, did I really waste so much space, Ben can delete it, actually I know, you are just looking for trouble and can’t stand me, good for you! Sorry that I had such an interesting life, just wait for GPP to pay out!!!
In general I should just ignore all that is thrown at me, no use to say anything. Non comprehendo negativo!!
Monica, my fault, I did not know that GPP gave out those ID’s (thought members did that) got mine sponsored from someone else, yeah it looks suspicious as Mike had remarked!
Comment by extan — 29th March 2008 @ 9:03 am
extan: I get it fine. It is you who doesn’t get it. I just wanted to save you the time of telling us about all of your talents, accomplishments, etc.. I figure there must be 3 or 4 things you are not good at, therefore just list them, and then you won’t have to brag about all your accomplishments because we will know without your having to tell us. Get it now?
Besides, I do not dislike you. Not sure where you got that idea. I think you are totally misguided, but it is not personal. If you want to believe in the Easter Bunny, Tooth Fairy, and Santa Claus, that’s your problem. I just don’t have to agree they are real.
Why don’t you just give Stella a call and let us know what she said. Wait, sorry you can’t do that can you. Okay, then send her a fax. Wait, you can’t do that either. Hey just call the trust and let us know what they say. Hmmm, gee can’t do that either, nor can you send them a fax. No phone/fax numbers. Now there’s a company you really want to do business with. Totally anonymous. I think you may be in for a rude shock. By the way, do you know what a little One Billion looks like, let alone 14.5 Billion? I’ll be back and share it with you. Don’t go away, you here.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 10:14 am
Just so you know, here is just what One Billion represents:
A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959.
B. A billion minutes ago Jesus was alive.
C. A billion one dollar bills laid end to end would stretch from earth to the moon and back twice.
D. A billion dollars is more than 28 countries GDP; and
E. GPP needs to borrow 42 Billion to pay out 19.25 Billion
Yep, sure sounds real to me.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 10:32 am
EagleOne are you ok I’m so worried about you all those biiiiig numbers my head cannot take it, I just know 1 + 1 = 0 carry one 🙂
Want to buy a fast scanner then I have 2 to produce negatives for my job, printed circuit production, not bragging, maybe can make some money, not millions…
Comment by extan — 29th March 2008 @ 11:07 am
Thanks for your concern, but I am quite well thank you. Kind of puts a different perspective on it though doesn’t it.
Now if we could just get our politicians to stop and think what a Billion really represents, then we might get somewhere. Well, at least I can dream.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 12:01 pm
And my conclusion is: Extan must love the fact that the he’s succeeding in taking out some of the negative feedbacks that’s focused on GPP while they move all the members’ money to somewhere safe for them. If we want to succeed in pinning down GPP once we find out that they aren’t paying, it is better that we spend time in collecting names of people now who fell prey to their bait so we can react right away. The question is, who do we trust to keep the list confidential? Or do you guys have a better idea on how to do it without undermining someone’s privacy?
Comment by Kitz — 29th March 2008 @ 12:31 pm
Eagle,
I do not believe that POST #600, could have spelled this out any better! WE CANNOT REACH STELLA. Everyone #600!
Goodness sake #601 truly puts perspective on this number. Goodness some countries GNP is not even that! So this elusive company, that no one knows about, who needs members (to stay quiet of course), wants to let members come in “under cover”. THAT IS REDICULOUS!!!
Members,
let’s consider this for a moment. What is the interest on 1 billion dollars at a mere 2%? Would such a large company, other than a major bank, insurace co. ect be handling this much money? Get this!!! Why would such a large company even be concerned with a comparable pittance from such a scheme? NOT ONLY THAT, why can’t such a company simply provide this money to the investor and reap thier benefit on their own time as opposed to ours? Makes you say Hmmmm, it sure does make me say Hmmmm!
EVERYONE, Again, I must mention (no the scale of this program)how amusing it is that such a large company would entertain having one person handle this much much money. One person? I absolutely know NOT!
The inablity to be able to contact anyone is just plain, REDICULOUS!!! SHOW me one, just one company that does this!!! JUST ONE!
extan,
if your counting is that bad, perhaps you should ask stella how to count. I’m sure that she knows how to count our money in “her” pocket. Is your post #602 really saying anything?
Kitz,
I’ll agree with you. He wants us go get a warm feeling while we are continually getting robed!
Has anyone ever consiered what would happen if GPP after all of these years decided that they caught a cold (better yet,”could not find a solution”), so they were going to shut the program down? What recourse would we have??? Answer: NONE!!! They could attempt to dissapear into thin air. Now what? We won’t know where they are, and people are left holding the 1 or 2 year old bag!
Once again, how is it that we haven’t heard of this multi Billion dollar company before 2005? Strange, we know of the top 10 Billionaires, and the WORLD WIDE top 100 businesses. at 14B, I would think that GPP would be somewhere in there (trying t be secrative or not… it would be in there. Hey, we found it!!!!!!! GUESS WHAT, GPP IS NOT IN THERE! I wonder why? Oh yea, we need to be quiet and wait. This vompany is probably waiting on that 14.5 Billion themselves! Maybe they’ll get it next year too….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 29th March 2008 @ 4:05 pm
Tell the Easter Bunny, that I’m going to wait till next year to receive my payout! Now that’s what we are supposed to do right?
“Be patient, wait for the solution, keep in mind that we should have good feelings about being robbed, know that secrecy is the best way to obtain money from a company that won’t provide any information to where they are, nor provide a TELEPHONE NUMBER?
Surely me must not forget that this program should have had a payout 1/2 year ago!!! Yes that is at least 6 MONTHS.
Let me reffer back t othe Easter Bunny, at least he will leave me a treat! Yes of course, we also know that he lives in the bunny patch. More than we know about GPP’s location. GPP has only left us with broken promises, over and over, and over again. Who disagrees with that????????????????????????????????????
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 29th March 2008 @ 4:15 pm
Please, everyone go to teamthemco and check out the latest post. you have to read it to believe it! How deluded!!
Extan,
we keep on TRYING to explain it to you, but it seems you will not understand.
I expect everyone posting or reading this blog has led an interesting life of some sort, but they don’t keep on about it!
Comment by Blade68 — 29th March 2008 @ 5:58 pm
It seems that teamThemco and Mr. Gilder are trying to put some distance between themselves and GPP:
I, Terence John Gilder (aka TeamTHEMCO and/or Themco) declare, subject to a penalty of perjury, that I am an independent member of the Global Pension Plan (GPP) opportunity only and that I am not a part of the GPP Group, I am not a Trustee for GPP or know how many Trustees there are and I have no vested interest in GPP or know who GPP are or where they operate from. Further I do not know the names of the Banks or the Insurance Company who are involved in the mechanism, nor do I know the name of the bank who is to execute the banking solution.
My confidence in GPP stems from and comprises, my total, but total, faith in Stella, who I trust implicitly. Having established this trust in Stella, this has never waivered and is as strong today as it has been at anytime during this episode.
Comment by Owen Platt — 29th March 2008 @ 7:35 pm
Blade68, I have read what Terry has said and I agree 150% what he has said about the scammers, they are like dirty flies sitting on the know you heap, nothing more needs to be said, they will always find fault and scream “what utter lie”!
Owen, what Terry said I had said long ago, if you do not believe it rather keep on writing your lovely books and rather keep out of the scammers sickness.
Going to hike on the mountain tomorrow early with friends, trying to forget about these scammers.
Comment by extan — 29th March 2008 @ 9:13 pm
Extan,
We are not the scammers, we are trying to stop more people being scammed.
I also take it that you mean you are 100% in agreement with mr Gilder.
Don’t get lost on the mountain. But if you find stella up there, ask her what the hell is going on!
Comment by Blade68 — 29th March 2008 @ 9:58 pm
Well we know one thing extan hasn’t done, write a book. Otherwise he would have already told us about it.
Enjoy your mountain climbing. While you are there, take real deep breaths. It will get rid of all the fog in your brain. You will be amazed at how things will look different to you when you get back. You will feel better and have a clear head.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th March 2008 @ 10:41 pm
extan: In regard to your comment, and I quote: “Blade68, I have read what Terry has said and I agree 150% what he has said about the scammers, they are like dirty flies sitting on the know you heap, nothing more needs to be said, they will always find fault and scream “what utter lieâ€Â! Guess Terry missed the part about: If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it is a duck. This looks like a scam, it acts like a scam, and it is a scam.
Not going to waste my time in pointing out all the discrepancies of Terry’s comments. It would take up way too much space, but if you want me too I will.
Comment by EagleOne — 30th March 2008 @ 8:15 am
Eagle,
If you have the opportunity, I’d sure like to see your comments on this nonsense. You know I was getting the same feeling there. Was almost confusing.
on another note, it is funny how themco, is trying to distance themselves! That pathetic attempt to do so. It is not working however. So they have nothing to do with GPP…. How were they connected? Why do they TRUST her so much? Did they ever have any info sharing between the two (would think that they’d have to – Thus a connection)? Something is not right there.
Also, why did he not invest in GPP? I’ve got a good guess….
Perhaps I’m wrong with Themco. I’ll see.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 30th March 2008 @ 5:26 pm
Hi friends and foes 🙂 how’s it going, I’ve cleared the fog out my brain on the mountain…, but actually we are hiking nearly every Sunday preferably on the Table Mountain near Cape Town, today from Constantia Nek (pass)to via Cecilia Forest (sometimes fairies seen in the trees… one I think is called Stella) then towards Kirstenhof and back, very popular route, wish you could all join us one day after GPP has sent your money!!! We then also went to the beach in Houtbay. Unbelievable how much choice and natural beauty we have to spend our time, mind boggling, a place for everyone.
Sorry I do not really have anything else to say, have a good week!
Comment by EXTAN — 30th March 2008 @ 8:25 pm
hope the fairy Stella will contact us soon, no more delays possible, apart from correcting the downlines where people have died, etc.
Comment by EXTAN — 31st March 2008 @ 9:49 am
MikeCheck,
I must apologise to you – I deleted one of your posts by mistake. Sorry about that! I was moderating the spam comments and clicked on yours in error.
I’ll be more careful in future 🙂
Comment by Ben — 31st March 2008 @ 11:57 am
Ben,
No problem. Things happen. Looks like this has gotten to be a real job huh?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 31st March 2008 @ 2:43 pm
April 2008 update is out. Nothing really definite.
Regards
Comment by snartmor — 31st March 2008 @ 4:44 pm
Well Stella chose 31 March not 1st April to write a good letter, no doubt faults will be found, they are not planning to run away, but we will see, she got a style of her own. Not wanting more to say, be good to yourself 🙂
Comment by extan — 31st March 2008 @ 7:06 pm
WOW! The update was just full of wonderful news, of which the most important news is you can still buy more policies. Now I admit I never say that one coming! ROFLOL! And of course we still have the banking & government conspiracy theory alive and well too. Those evil banks and governments. But wait a minute…if they are seeking a banking solution, doesn’t that make them part of those evil banks? Inquiring minds want to know.
Comment by EagleOne — 31st March 2008 @ 8:46 pm
I’ll tell you, I’d bet the house that there will be another excuse tomorrow (or some great news that the payout is in effect, but it won’t get to us just yet)!!! Anyone want to take me up on that?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 31st March 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Mike: The only way that will happen is if they cannot sell more policies. As long as people continue to buy more policies, this will continue to run. After all they have given themselves the best out they can. They can announce they didn’t have enough members to qualify for the 100,000 policies, therefore, it cannot be completed. It will be all the members fault, not theirs, and they walk with the money as the “admin fee” is not refundable. Or they will just take a powder. Still, they will string this out as long as they can to get more money. It is not costing them a dime to do so. They use free hosing services and a free E-mail account.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st April 2008 @ 1:03 am
extan: Forgive me. I failed to tell you I was glad you had a great trip on our mountain climbing jaunt as well as all the other places you visited. Glad to see you were able to clear your head. Mountain air always has that ability. I also like the view from a mountain top. Kind of help put things in perspective for me.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st April 2008 @ 4:57 am
extan: Sorry, meant to say YOUR not our. Got my tongue in front of my eye teeth again and couldn’t see what I was saying. Where’s the edit button? LOL! Sorry Ben, couldn’t resist.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st April 2008 @ 4:58 am
Eagle,
And that is the answer! Everyone should recognise! I just think that it is incredible that people are still buying policies! Why?!! Is anyone familiar with the line that is being run right now to others? I mean, how are the policies being substansiated on a closed program?
You know, didn’t these clowns once sell these policies at half price at some point, stating that people would get the same payout? Seems like that was back in November or so… NOW, let me ask, why would a company offer a full payout for full price? Answer: to get more money!!!!!
So, how can anyone believe in this?! Oh yea, did I mention that this was in NOVEMBER!!! They have been suckering us for 1/2 year now!
Yes Eagle, free websites, free email, free money!!! How much better can it get!!! HOW CAN ANYONE BELIEVE IN THIS SCAM after seeing all of this straight up evidence!!
People it’s APRIL 1st! Month 4 of 2008!!! How much longer would should we be willing to wait? How much longer!
Everyone, Eagle mentioned that they would have the out to say that they did not meet 100K people, eventhough they “supposedly” have done so. RIGHT! They’ll say something like 99,999 people did it and, darn, just missed it… if they even care at that point to even bother!
Let’s find them and get those funds back! I can only say how insulted I am that this will come to pass tomorrow (or whenever they get the courage to tell us of another delay)! Now is this really acceptable? NO IT IS NOT!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 1st April 2008 @ 5:11 am
Ok so you are at it again, good for you… Eagle, my head is always clear because I walk every day, have “restless leg syndrome” so I have to walk rather than to sit around, hope it will get better soon.
Anyway, the offer to buy additional policies does seem somewhat odd, but for those with downlines it will create extra bucks, assuming that the banking licence is still “waiting”, think they want their own bank, that surely takes time.
They tried other options, so please forget the past, it is a process! When realizing that it will take some more time it starts to make sense to up the savings in the mean time, I would also profit INDIRECTLY by that, so ok with me. Stella has her own weird way, but she will not run away, a fairy surely flies 🙂 .
Comment by EXTAN — 1st April 2008 @ 8:40 am
Apart from the manifest impossibility of turning a few euros into a small fortune by sending them off to an unknown entity, the nonsense of a banking solution can only be a ploy to distract the ‘investors.’
By now, at a minimum, GPP must have accumulated several million which must be deposited in a bank somewhere. Money exchangers, the preferred option of scamsters on account of their invisibility, merely act as transit points. If GPP genuinely wished to distribute the returns, there is no reason why this function could not be performed by whichever bank they are using at the moment – it is, after all, what banks do.
To suggest that owning their own bank would perform this function more easily is a nonsense. They cannot ‘give’ accounts to their members even if they were able to obtain a licence – which is highly unlikely.
And, as I have pointed out, if such a licence were to be obtained, the principals of GPP would become public knowledge.
It does occur to me that they may well eventually claim to have established a bank somewhere and invite members to open accounts for a small fee. If this is the case, it will be very easy to establish the bona fides of the operation by consulting the Central Bank of the jurisdiction in which it is said to be licensed.
However, in view of the almost total obscurity in which GPP wish to work, this seems extremely improbable.
Comment by Owen Platt — 1st April 2008 @ 10:10 am
The logic conclusion would be that at the moment the money is not structured into bank accounts where it was paid in, e.g. my share money is invested in a public company and they have their base in a bank somewhere, no need for me to know where. GPP would not be so stupid to look for a solution if it was not necessary and nobody said they would actually apply for their own bank, because if they want to remain secret then another bank would be better. Don’t really know whether it is helpful to speculate, I’m sure the money will come eventually, maybe even (only) in June.
Comment by EXTAN — 1st April 2008 @ 12:50 pm
Extan – your logic eludes me, I’m afraid. Surely your investments in a public company are secured by shares in your possession? What do you have from GPP? Stellas Googlemail address!
Comment by Owen Platt — 1st April 2008 @ 1:03 pm
Yes Owen, that money was paid in from my bank to the company and the shares are distr./held in different companies, so not in the bank, sorry == equity. Better investment than in the bank, that’s something GPP will also have done. I only see my account on the internet, like GPP members also see, is there really any difference, now if I take that investment and return it to my bank then it is in a bank account. See any similarity?
Comment by EXTAN — 1st April 2008 @ 1:49 pm
Extan – what evidence do you have as to what GPP (Stella or Neverland)have done with the fund?
Comment by Owen Platt — 1st April 2008 @ 3:37 pm
Has anyone bothered to notice the different writing styles of Stella? We have a variance in English skills, grammar skills, and sentence structure; yet no-one seems to notice. Maybe that’s why “she” started deleting updates in the forum. I haven’t believed that Stella was one person, but several different ones claiming to be Stella for quite some time now. Thus my reason for questioning if Stella really is a woman and not a man. I know that JH has also noticed this, and was wondering if any of the rest of you had noticed this?
Comment by EagleOne — 1st April 2008 @ 5:09 pm
well surely they must have invested it in a “highly gain” investment,i.e not in a bank. No idea where.
Comment by extan — 1st April 2008 @ 7:25 pm
Eagle,
Yes, I have noticed those different writing styles!!! This is something else that promps me to beseem to be several different people! I’ll join you in that convo in an hour or two…
Extan,
I can’t quite understand you. How long would you consider is long enough???
How long?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 1st April 2008 @ 10:56 pm
Extan,
I don’t mean any harm, but I were to believe anthing that you have been saying, I’d question my own financial common sense.
So, you want me to believe that GPP will change lead to gold (a few dollars into thousands). NOPE won’t happen.
Come on now,put money into all of these accounts, and you have NO idea of what they are invested in? Oh, yea, you think you money would be safer in some funny acccount (more like some FOREX account…Hmmm, what a great way to launder money!!!) Riiiiight!
BY THE WAY, What is this nonsense that you have kicked out about even waiting till June?!?! June? What are you telling us?
I have a question that everyone would like to know for our own benefit. HOW DO YOU KNOW SO MUCH ABOUT OUR MONEY AND WE KNOW NOTHING?
Again, how long are you willing to wait? Does not seem to matter with you huh? Also what are you saying about these additonal contracts being had? THERE IS NO BENEFIT TO ANY OF US!!! NOTHING! NOTHING!
I mean, am I making sense or not? If someone sees me as being wrong or missing something please let me know. Extan, what am I missing?
I do not mean to extend this further but you said something about not worrying about the company’s past performance (non performance, better said). Yes that is in the past, but there has been no signs showing any difference. In other words, if you see a stock that if falling straight down and staying there (Past Performance). I would not exactly be one to take a mortgage out on my house to snap up that stock.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd April 2008 @ 12:54 am
APRIL FOOLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by busting gut — 2nd April 2008 @ 12:56 am
Oh dear everyone is so miserable.
And so clever and perceptive. What did you risk? $40? £20? 30 Euros?. Such a lot of money. Why not go to the Feds or Fraud squad or Police.
Report your great losses. At least it has kept you all busy running everyone down. Why don’t you go away and find us all something that will make us some money? You seem well able to pick holes in everything so we would not be risking our cash would we? You would be our protector!!
Angie
Comment by Angie — 2nd April 2008 @ 11:23 am
Extan,
I can’t quite understand you. How long would you consider is long enough???
How long?
MikeCheck
Well I don’t like to brag, I would say 8 or 9 inch, you can trust me 😉
Comment by EXTAN — 2nd April 2008 @ 1:09 pm
Hi Angie,
not much to invest in at the moment, the stock exchange is hopping around, no real gains, just need to wait a bit more, GPP will pay, it’s like standing in a long row, wait, wait, wait and WAIT until you turn blue!
My girlfriend and myself will probably soon start to sell air fuel (long term contract) to a particular countries airline and get about 0,10 dollar per barrel, that’s good money if you sell say 1M barrels per month, eat your heart out…
Comment by EXTAN — 2nd April 2008 @ 1:23 pm
Well let us just give them a break. What is good on the web now? Everything seems to be a scam. GPP has not disappeared. Contact is kept. How many of the others do this? Most of the web sites pack up at the point of payment and you can’t get the money back that you have lost.
Stella is actually repaying losses. Isn’t that something? Ease up on the nastiness and be patient.
Angie
Comment by Angie — 2nd April 2008 @ 2:59 pm
gpp website appears to be down again, anyone else having problems with access.not to worried,still upbeat.
Comment by jacko — 2nd April 2008 @ 3:09 pm
I have read several of the blogs on GPP and I have been in the financial industry for several years now. I am here to say that how do you know that this won’t work. Banks all across the world survive on taking your monies that you deposit and invest that gaurantee on short turn around stocks that you don’t know about to help the bank survive and to pay their employees. They also do long term investments to cover federal gains taxes and insurance payouts if something should go wrong – God forbid.. But they don’t tell you this and this is also a secret within the organization of the banks. I am not saying that maybe GPP is wrong, but who is to say that it isn’t. Just pray if you invested and hope for the best. Only God prevails. Have a dream and go for it. It is just money. You probably blow 20, 30, 40 on junk anyway.
Comment by Jen — 2nd April 2008 @ 3:14 pm
Hi Jacko, already yesterday I had to face problems accessing the site from time to time. But today it seems to be completely down for whatever reason. We will see what happens. Good luck.
Comment by snartmor — 2nd April 2008 @ 3:41 pm
HI Jacko and snartmor, I got onto the site straight away, no problems. Nothing new today anyway.
Comment by Blade68 — 2nd April 2008 @ 5:18 pm
Hello blade68, just tried again and could have reached the site. Found some minor news on “Administration”. Anyway, thanks your comment.
Comment by snartmor — 2nd April 2008 @ 5:59 pm
Jen, if you really had any substantive experience in the real-world “financial industry,” then you’d know immediately that their scheme won’t work for any number of reasons as have been discussed here ad infinitum. Foremost among them, that the entire deal relies on selling these supposed policies to a bank at better than 3X their market value times 350,000 over at an unrealistically low return.
The rest of your post reads like a cheezy HYIP promoter’s sales pitch.
Comment by JH — 2nd April 2008 @ 5:59 pm
April Fools.
Why are you continuing to try rationalize and legitimize this. Do you not remember that part in the disclaimer/TOS that said “I vow that I am not a member of law-enforcement, etc.,” and the “We need to stay under the radar”? When , in the course of those words running through your head, did the concept of ‘legitimate’ come up?
If I blow 20,30, or 40 on junk, I have some “junk” to show for it. If I blow 20,30, 40 on the lottery, I maybe won something and maybe didn’t, but, I know that SOMEBODY legitimately won.
If I give 20,30, or 40 to someone who says all of the above disclaimers, have no means of contacting the individual, have to grovel for a simple response, etc., that is not “Blowing it on junk”, that’s being taken for a ride.
If you believe this ‘ride’ has been worth 20, 30, or 40, then you got your money’s worth. If, however, you were expecting more,…I suggest you call Stella, or write to her, or look her up in the Global directory,..oh shoot, you can’t do ANY of those things!
Which brings us back to blowing money on junk, or just handing it over to a con-artist.
If you are too embarassed to admit that you’ve been had, stop trying to rationalize it and make everyone else join you in your blind faith.
It is obviously NOT legal, or we wouldn’t be keeping ‘under the radar’, and imagining that a dumb disclaimer like , “I am not in law-enforcement” actually has any value. It simply means nothing other than someone is blatantly informing you that what you are sending in to, is not legal, not accepted by law, and not to be talked about loudly, in case somebody hears you.
Stella keeps pointing the finger at the banks, as the bad guys, but as Jen just pointed out,-
“Banks all across the world survive on taking your monies that you deposit and invest that gaurantee on short turn around stocks that you don’t know about to help the bank survive and to pay their employees.”
….so, why would the banks be the problem if it was all legit? Wouldn’t they just love the chance to get their % of all this exchange?
Think about this the next time you’re begging, cajoling, and pleading with “the Stellas” for a response.
Comment by zippy — 2nd April 2008 @ 6:23 pm
Let’s put this in perspective. Since most only think of their $55,000 payout, you never stop to think of what all 100,000 policies represent. So let’s do some math, and since extan is a whiz at math, I know he will have no problems getting this.
Just using 100,000 policies, the $55,000 payout per policy amounts to $5.5 Billion Dollars. To put this number in perspective, it is larger than over 60 countries GDP. The potential payout for referral commission is $2.4 Billion Dollars. I did not say is, will be, but “POTENTIAL.” This is more than over 40 countries GDP. Forgetting the $4.1 Billion in “premiums” the trust has to pay, the two figures added together represent more than 80 countries GDP.
The total face amount on just 100,000 policies is $20 Billion Dollars. In short, in less than a two month period of time, GPP is going to have an insurance company issue more pension policies than the top 5 Insurance Companies in the world combined issued for their entire product lines of insurance. They will underwrite and issue more pension plans than the top 25 insurance companies in the world combined issued in the last 5 years.
Let’s put it another way, the average insurance company has a ratio of 10 employees to every 1 policy they write. Some have more, some have less, and it depends on the size of the company. Still, to issue 100,000 policies in one month requires an insurance company to issue over 3,300 policies per day, and that is working 24 hours per day, every day. No weekends off. If you only use a 5 day work week, then they have to issue 50,000 policies per day. Anyone want to do the math to see just how many “employees” it would take to accomplish this feat? Remember, the average company has a 10-1 ratio of employees to every policy issued.
Since this trust is supposedly licensed in Liechtenstein, according to Stella, just the payout to the members is almost 7 times the GDP of Liechtenstein.
Now if you want to run the numbers at an additional 250,000 policies, it gets even more absurd. Just with the 100,000 pension policies, you will have an unknown insurance company overnight become the world’s number 1 insurance company. By the way, the reason why insurance companies have a diversified portfolio of insurance products is because they don’t put all their eggs in one basket. Meaning they spread the risk of each product line among many product lines. The captitalization of this insurance company would have to be over $150 Billion Dollars if they issued all 350,000 policies.
Jenn, since you say you have been in the financial services business now for 2 years, please share with me knowing the above figures how you believe GPP is real. Actually any of the rest of you who believe GPP is real. Looking forward to your mathematical explanation extan. I welcome your comments.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd April 2008 @ 8:14 pm
Zippy, did you have a bad day or what, can’t make out what you were talking about, it sounded negative, think you need a good hug from someone close to you! That surely works!
Comment by extan — 2nd April 2008 @ 8:15 pm
Very very very well put EagleOne, Very well explained. Thanks for taking the time. I had my own rough workings out but you hit the nail on the head.
Comment by Blade68 — 2nd April 2008 @ 8:20 pm
EagleOne you hit the nail on its head, now we know why Stella needs so much time to finish everything and gets fed up with all the useless and rude e-mails sent in. Enjoy your day!
Comment by extan — 2nd April 2008 @ 8:22 pm
Eagle,
That was so much of an excellent example, that it is no wonder that extan could not understand it. Better said, could not dispute it!
Extan,
You keep on kicking out nonsense. That statement about Stella needing so much additional time to do everything is simply rediculous!
Zippy,
Looks like you hit a chord! In respect to your post, well this looks like you prevented me from having to say the same thing! Our money is our money! I’ve enven mentioned before if I buy some junk, then I’ve bought junk. As so well said by zippy, at least I would have my junk!!! Whith this scam, you have NOTHING!
Jen, you are saying that this 30 or 40 bucks is something that should be just mitigated? We should simply not worry about it?
Angie, you know extan don’t you…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd April 2008 @ 12:39 am
Hi Mike, you must have a problem with yourself, I can understand everything, just not nonsense, you asked how long is long enought, well I gave you a straight answer! I’m very long, I don’t need a metal extension like a flashy Ferrari, whatever 🙂 !! Stella complained again about those idiots that send stupid mails everyday, can understand… all those stupid idiots messing up everything. Have a good day. A bank licence takes about 6 month!!
Comment by EXTAN — 3rd April 2008 @ 8:59 am
Extan – applied for many bank licences lately?
I seem to recall that, two years ago, when GPP promised to have a solution, there was no mention of them needing one.
Comment by Owen Platt — 3rd April 2008 @ 10:10 am
Hi Owen, how are your books doing? Somebody in Europe told us that it takes about 6 month, guess it depends where it’s done, what about Africa time, here where we live, you should see how laid back everything happens like riding in an old Mercedes Benz 🙂 ?
Comment by extan — 3rd April 2008 @ 1:38 pm
Extan,
I’m good for you! At least you are long somewhere. Does not look like finances would fit into your longness.
So, Stella keeps complaining about these emails huh? One would be tempted to think that she would have somthing better to do than that. At least have someone else deal with these destructive emails! Better watch out for these digital messengers of desturction!
Again, where do you get this (long)information that none of us are privy to?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd April 2008 @ 1:48 pm
Everyone!
Let me fix an error that I said with a quickness!!! Meant in that first scentence…
GOOD FOR YOU.
That “I’m” is most definitely a mistake in in erasing a previously written scentence!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd April 2008 @ 1:52 pm
Oh Mike, like Angie said, don’t worry too much about GPP, look for other opportunities, GPP will pay out whenever, Stella has her own time, didn’t you notice, whenever she feels, typical “fairy” women…
We are now looking into the oil industry, fuel prices are rising and we have super contacts, so here we go :-)!!
Comment by extan — 3rd April 2008 @ 2:59 pm
I have used a proxy site for a few weeks now, but today went through the usual way as the proxy didn’t work. Keep smiling and stop bitching.
Angie
Comment by Angie — 3rd April 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Extan,
“Stella” is not a woman. Stella is a bunch of people. One person does not change their ability to write in English from one minute to the next. One person does not suddenly change syntax.
Don’t you get it? You’ve been duped by a tag-team, and these cons are so bold as to COMPLAIN about the emails!
Ha! That’s some big nerve!
Look at Team Themco’s latest. Does that sound like co-operation?
However in the world does anyone still believe this? Do you think Stella can get a license being ONE PERSON with no staff, no board? How do you run a bank by yourself, AND process 100,000 policies?
You don’t!
Comment by zippy — 3rd April 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Angie,
Smiling about what?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd April 2008 @ 6:21 pm
surely they are a team, Stella or Neverland are the usual spokespersons, maybe not as you said, she is a little weird like most women, but Angie seems to be ok 🙂 “stop the bitching and smile”
Comment by extan — 3rd April 2008 @ 7:26 pm
In regard to Stella and Neverland. If it is Neverland doing the update posting, then why use Stella’s name pretending to be her/he? It is not like neverland has not posted before, thus didn’t want to confuse anyone.
Funny thing about all those updates posted. It gives you the ability to read and compare how they were written. It might also explain why ‘Stella’ was deleting a lot of the updates, especially all those related to a timeline as to when things would happen; and of course didn’t. I just can’t believe they think by deleting them they think they can’t be used against them later.
Just another observation. I noticed that extan did not take any serious exception to Mike’s assertion that he,extan, is more than one person; but has to the claim Stella is more than one person. If I had been accused of being more than one person, I would have challenged the assertion vociferously. Yet, extan didn’t. A little strange don’t you think?
Zippy is right, it is more than one person pretending to be Stella. The real question is why. What is more interesting is that almost nobody noticed, including extan. Someone with all his talents, abilities, and financial expertise, you would think he would have noticed it immediately. Many of us lesser mortals did. Which brings up another question, does extan know Stella is not one person?
Questions, Questions, Questions. Inquiring minds want to know.
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd April 2008 @ 8:02 pm
Quote from Extan:
“My girlfriend and myself will probably soon start to sell air fuel (long term contract) to a particular countries airline and get about 0,10 dollar per barrel, that’s good money if you sell say 1M barrels per month, eat your heart out…
Comment by EXTAN – April 2, 2008 @ 1:23 pm ”
Funny, I was just reading up on Viktor Bout and how he would be missed by the guerillas in S. Africa as they would have problems getting their airplane fuels, weapons, and other illegal military stuff delivered to them while he is incarcerated. It’s funny that Extan, who has claimed to not have the “Business gene”, should announce his plans to supply fuel to an unnamed airline, just when the Bout delivery service was cut-off.
Extan, someone with no business acumen would not have the contacts necessary to supply that volume of fuel, nor would an airline even consider a contract with someone who claims to be nothing more than a struggling student, UNLESS, for some reason, they could not get their fuel via the regular “big boys” oil network.
Would that “particular country” be Kisangani? Kigali? Equatorial Guinea?
Extan, in all of your ramblings, you had never before mentioned an interest in flying, planes, or fuel-supplies, or even that you had any interest in business. Now, you’re going to supply a national airlines with fuel? Yet, one would be led to believe that there would be many sanctions to work around in supplying said fuel,..no?
You may have tipped your hand.
Comment by zippy — 4th April 2008 @ 10:14 am
Zippy you are a bit ignorant about some stuff, but actually my girlfriend has a contact with a guy (very good friend in the middle east) that works with Tariq International (spelling) and thus managers are needed to make various deals and then get a small percentage of the sale, after all a barrel costs about 100 dollar, get it? Actualy there was a misunderstanding, it will probably be oil supplies for further refinery by someone else! Generally called the oil industry, fuel is just one end use.
Comment by extan — 4th April 2008 @ 6:49 pm
extan, your attempt to deflect your previous statement rings hollow, but nice try. You do understand with your latest explanation you are now saying your previous post about the oil business was a lie. Now if you lied about this, what else have you been lying about? Those pesky questions just keep on coming don’t they. You seem to have more stories than Stella. You just got caught in a “big” one. Ouch!
Comment by EagleOne — 4th April 2008 @ 7:07 pm
Extan,
You didn’t just get busted did you?! I’m sure that you are going to counter… Humph.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 5th April 2008 @ 12:23 am
Hi whats the new global pension plan website?Because i tried the globalpt.net site and it doesn’t work it takes you to some website listing some professors information. The site is in
spanish, I think global pension is a scam…I already have invested in it and am now regretting it please help me if you can in finding
the new website address. I was supposed to have received over a hundred thousand from them in febuary 2008 and here it is almost 3 months later and I have received nothing…. now they have the nerve to ask me to send them more money along with my driver license photo color copy and 60 more dollars since they claim the first 60 dollars
I invested into one of the investment contracts isn’t going to work because the man who sold it to myslef and the others who payed money..didnt have his license and now they claim they have a new represenative who does have a license but now i have to send a new 60 dollars…I think your right it is a scam,and they will never see another dollar from me again or any other money promis gag out there..thanks
trevor
Comment by trevor moore — 5th April 2008 @ 1:28 am
Sorry eagle_null you are a real jerk, I did not lie, just was not familiar with the oil industry, will soon be, don’t have to be, so in a mail to me there was a misunderstanding which was cleared up, you see one needs to have precise inside information to interpret statements correctly. In any case don’t worry, our future looks very promising even with or without air fuel or GPP or your ridiculous remarks, you are just F sick to pull everything out of its socks!!
Comment by extan — 5th April 2008 @ 5:18 am
extan: Just call me silly, but before you go shooting off your mouth about what kind of business you are going to be involved in, it pays to “know” what kind of business you are going to be involved in. Like I said, nice try at trying to cover your assets, but you fell way short. I really don’t care what you call it, but you still lied. If I say I am going to be a policeman, but then change it to being a fireman, no-one is going to believe me when I say that I just got confused and didn’t know the difference between the two. Especially after you claimed you got your head cleared when you went mountain climbing. Sounds like to me you are still in a fog. Guess it all boils down to what the definition of “is” is.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th April 2008 @ 7:35 am
How old are you extan? if you cannot write a post without swearing and insulting people then you should not brag about things that are obviously not true!
Comment by Blade68 — 5th April 2008 @ 10:51 am
Eagle and busting I wish I was close to you, then if you kept on saying that I lied which is absolute nonsense and derogative, then I could sort out things in a direct way to teach you a lesson, you would feel your eyes going blue and close up and land on the floor crying, mamma, please help me, believe me you would never open your mouth again, you are just hiding behind your computer!
Comment by extan — 5th April 2008 @ 11:35 am
This blog serves no purpose, just being negative, being greedy and jealous and talking utter rubbish, you should rather play in the Kindergarten.
Think I have better things to do, going cycling, jogging, hiking, climbing mountains, keeping fit, having fun, so you just keep on typing and talk lots of nonsense!! 🙂
Comment by extan — 5th April 2008 @ 11:53 am
OK!
Extan is obviously 11 0r 12 years old, all the bragging and boasting,lies, and now the big man talk.
This blog is supposed to be about gpp, either positive or negative, trying to get to the bottom of it. Extans posts have no place here.
Comment by Blade68 — 5th April 2008 @ 12:35 pm
What happend to the good old times when fruitful discussions were being held on this blog and useful information could have been obtained? Nowadays this blog has become a platform for personal insults without any helpful content. It really is a pitty. Why don’t you folks gather in a forum which suits you better like “spit-dirt-at-others.com†or similar, but leave us people here alone who really care for the original meaning of this blog. Sorry to say.
Comment by snartmor — 5th April 2008 @ 1:00 pm
Getting back on topic…
[Edit by Ben: Sorry JH, just had to remove a couple of words there – to be safe. Thanks for the update though, very interesting stuff]
Feds seize more than $1M from Norfolk pastor
Federal agents seized more than $1.1 million from a self-proclaimed pastor in Norfolk who is under investigation in an international investment fraud scheme, according to court filings unsealed this week.
Benjamin Seigler of Pall Mall Street has not been charged but is the focus of an ongoing inquiry into several of his investment programs, says an affidavit filed in federal court this week by U.S. postal inspectors. More than 4,000 individuals in this country and abroad placed investments with Seigler, but none has seen any returns, the affidavit says.
“Seigler is defrauding individuals by selling fraudulent insurance and securities products,” says the affidavit, filed by postal inspector Eric Brown. “This scheme is ongoing.”
Postal inspectors have been investigating Seigler since November, when managers at the Norview post office, near Seigler’s apartment, noticed he was receiving more than 50 letters a day containing money orders made out to him in amounts ranging from $44 to $1,000, which Seigler cashed at various post offices around the city, the affidavit says.
The mail originated from states across the country as well as from Canada, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands. Many of the money orders noted they were payment to the “Global Pension Investment Trust” or some variation.
Further investigation discovered that Seigler had deposited, from October to March, more than $900,000 in cash in a Chartway Federal Credit Union account, Brown said in his affidavit.
The inspectors obtained warrants to listen in on Seigler’s phone calls. During daily conference calls with investors, Seigler said his investments would yield greater returns than traditional bank accounts or stock programs, Brown wrote.
For example, an investment for as little as $42.62 in an insurance contract would yield $3,000, $79,000 or as much as $154,000, Brown’s affidavit says.
The investments were purportedly to be made through an online entity called Global Pension Plan, which has a Web site with no phone number, address or contact information, nor does it identify exactly what insurance program funds are invested with.
“Because we want to succeed in this business, we need to protect the privacy of all our partners. This may sound confusing and shady, but please try to take another perspective,” Global Pension Plan says on its Web site.
Postal inspectors interviewed a number of people, mainly in Arizona and Louisiana, who invested with Seigler but have not received any returns. Those investors were not identified in the court filings.
Postal inspectors did not return calls for comment. Officials in the U.S. attorney’s office declined to comment on the ongoing investigation.
Messages left for Seigler at his home were not returned.
Over the past several months, about 15 people who invested with Seigler signed an online petition stating that Seigler “has caused great consternation among some in the group” by not investing in the Global Pension Fund. The petition signatures are collected at ipetitions.com, an independent Web site.
The petition asks that officials at Global Pension Fund “take appropriate action” to divorce Seigler from the program.
Postal inspectors say they believe Seigler used some of the investors’ money to pay for his own investments, but largely had stocked the money in his Chartway account, according to the court records.
Last month, the inspectors took more than $1 million from Seigler’s credit union account plus another $150,000 in cash from his home as well as 27 boxes of documents, two computers and a handgun, according to a federal search warrant unsealed this week.
Agents also seized three brand-new vehicles Seigler purchased recently: two
Chevy Malibus and a Chevy Trailblazer. When he purchased the vehicles, Seigler identified himself as a pastor with a church called “Talking by Faith Global Deliverance Anointed,” according to Brown’s affidavit.
Public records show that Seigler held a Virginia home improvement contractor’s license from 2000 to 2004 and that he lived in Virginia Beach at the time. In 1996, Seigler and his wife filed for bankruptcy in Pennsylvania and emerged with their debts discharged, according to court records.
http://hamptonroads.com/node/460156
Comment by JH — 5th April 2008 @ 7:40 pm
Well, well, well,..and all eyes are on GPP. How’s that ‘under the radar” thing working for them, now?
Sorry, Stella can’t do refunds today,..she’s too busy feeding the paper-shredder.
Maybe if she had answered an email once in a while, or made positive and timely and informative posts.
I bet the post office is really interested in those First Oceanic Bank, and the Gertrude’s street triplets in Estonia, now.
Come to think of it, since Siegler’s assets have all been seized, those who ‘invested’ in GPP through him, may be the “Lucky ones”. At least, they now stand to get some or all of their “investment” returned.
Comment by zippy — 5th April 2008 @ 8:01 pm
Kind of makes you wonder if GPP will pull a Houdini a little quicker now hoping they can get away without being caught. What do you think extan?
Comment by EagleOne — 5th April 2008 @ 8:18 pm
Blade68 you are just a lousy rotten troublemaker, your mouth needs its teeth slapped out, hope somebody can do that for you in slow motion, then you can better suck ice cream…!! You should also rather talk about GPP and mind your own business, I also would have liked to talk about GPP, i.e. that they are going to pay out for sure, it just needs some more time, think I made a few positive contributions but to no avail at all, negativo baboons start to howl, but with dummies like these, Einstein called it “the endless stupidity of the human race”.
[Addition by Ben: Please can we just stick to GPP rather than make empty threats? I don’t want to have to start deleting comments and, quite honestly, I’m surprised you want to talk about beating each other up when the big news at the moment is that Mr Benjamin Seigler has apparently attracted the attention of Federal Agents… Pretty important news I reckon!]
Comment by extan — 5th April 2008 @ 11:42 pm
Well, well. The light on the Global Pension plan has been turned on! It has pained me to see that there were many who still lost their money. Dig this… These mere $40 perperson ahs added up to almost or more than a Million dollars. I remember someone telling me just to forget about the $40. Well your buddies have not forgotten about it. As seen here, they are. or were enjoying the fruits of their scam.
As we can see, out of the three Extans, the ANGRIEST is the extan who is identified as the one in all lowercase letters. It’s almost funny!.. No, it IS funny – Perhaps this guy’s funds from the program may be slowing up). Take a look at the angry posts written by this one!! I think that you all will agree. Let’s watch ans see how nice he gets, now that he’s once again BUSTED! What a laugh…
— As this is the case, I believe that the only mountain climed was the one that he made up. The oil that he provides is no more than that which is bought from his local service station. Yes I think that I may just have to discount some of these adventures and information. That’s just my take. Extan, I mean EXTAN, I mean extan, if I am wrong, I’m sorry.
My friends,
It’s funny, but now that this guy (Seigler) is caught, there will probably still not be any refund or anything such as that to us (or that other segment of those in the other Global plan). Tough the money may be seized, there will probably not be a trail to return anything back to it’s memebers. As mentioned for that plan, those hard drives and papers to include the websites, and names may disappear for real. Let me better say, I would not be suprised.
I’m going to look up furthter info on Mr. Seigler. This should be interesting….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 6th April 2008 @ 4:29 am
Mike: From what I have read about Mr. Seigler, he never sent any money to GPP, but told those who sent him money he was going to do so. Most of the money is still in his bank account at his credit union. Once the authorities decide on just how many charges they will file against him, nothing will be done with the money. Since the bank account and all his assets are frozen, most of the money should be able to be sent back to those who sent it to him in the first place. Once it has been determined he received money for illegal activities and charges are filed, then the court can step in and take control of the assets. The court will appoint a receiver, and it will be the job of the receiver to identify all the participants, amounts of money they sent to Seigler, file their findings with the court and how distribution will be made, and then the court will either approve the receiver’s report, or request modifications be made. While they won’t get 100% back, they will fare far better than most who get scammed because they were able to freeze the money before it got spent by Mr. Seigler. Hope this helped.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th April 2008 @ 4:48 am
Hi Ben,
Actually you must have noted that I’m talking about GPP and not Mr Siegler, or do you think he’s married to Stella? So are the others talking about GPP, normally just scamming it. It is your website, if you think I did not make a positive contribution then please delete all my posts and triple up Mikes negative ramblings, he keeps on saying that I lie and I can assure you that I DON’T. I had clearly explained that some unfortunate misunderstandings caused the wrong information and that I was sorry to have jumped the gun out of joy, but actually offices will be set up in that country for us to use and to trade oil, etc, no need to permanently stay there, you might have heard about commodity trading. No need to try, I will again be called a liar, pretty sick, is’nt it
Mike I will not reply to you!! Have written EXTAN big because it is Sunday, raining and we are not able to hike or to cycle, maybe later when the sun comes out :-). I’m sorry for you!!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 6th April 2008 @ 8:04 am
Actually you should always use EXTAN when you reply. It is interesting that when you do your English is quite good compared to when you use extan in your posts. It also seems when you use EXTAN you play the good cop role, but when you use extan you play the bad cop role. Just observations.
It will be interesting to see just which one of you shows up in a reply.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th April 2008 @ 8:11 am
That Mr. Seigler should be playing on the religious convictions of the public comes as no surprise. The vast majority of these scams in recent years have depended upon the gullibility of that sector.
However, the good pastor appears to have been several bricks short of a load as he operated not only under his own name but from his own address.
This is an accusation that can never be levelled at GPP who not only have no name (unless you consider ‘Stella’ to be genuine), and most certainly no address.
But it will be the promoters and cheerleaders who will finally be brought to book. They are contactable and answerable to those whose money they have taken.
Comment by Owen Platt — 6th April 2008 @ 9:14 am
So whats in it, I mean ExTaN, big or small or inbetween, just purchased stuff via PayPal from the USA, battled for ages found one company that actually can/wants to export to SA, good for them! Needs some trust to buy like that, like hoping GPP will pay out, WHEN? Stella we are WAITINGGGGGGGGG!
Comment by ExTaN — 6th April 2008 @ 9:20 am
I would also like to know how many extans there are?
Eagle and busting I wish I was close to you, then if you kept on saying that I lied which is absolute nonsense and derogative, then I could sort out things in a direct way to teach you a lesson, you would feel your eyes going blue and close up and land on the floor crying, mamma, please help me, believe me you would never open your mouth again, you are just hiding behind your computer!
Comment by extan – April 5, 2008 @ 11:35 am
Blade68 you are just a lousy rotten troublemaker, your mouth needs its teeth slapped out, hope somebody can do that for you in slow motion, then you can better suck ice cream…!! You should also rather talk about GPP and mind your own business, I also would have liked to talk about GPP, i.e. that they are going to pay out for sure, it just needs some more time, think I made a few positive contributions but to no avail at all, negativo baboons start to howl, but with dummies like these, Einstein called it “the endless stupidity of the human raceâ€Â.
Comment by extan – April 5, 2008 @ 11:42 pm
As far as i know i have not caused any trouble, but could extan please list his “few positive contributions” because i must have missed them somewhere in all the threats and insults!
Could we also have an interpreter for most of his ramblings?
Comment by Blade68 — 6th April 2008 @ 6:30 pm
Hi Blade, they could be two different people judging by the location of the different IP addresses:
(1) extan at 11:35am:
Pretoria, Gauteng, South Africa (ISP = Telkom SA Ltd)
(2) extan at 11:42pm:
Parow, Western Cape, South Africa (ISP = Telkom SA Ltd)
Hundreds of miles between those locations as far as I can tell…
Comment by Ben — 6th April 2008 @ 6:43 pm
Thanks Ben,
it gets abit confusing with more than one!
Comment by Blade68 — 6th April 2008 @ 8:05 pm
yet again bickering and bad mouthing is taking away from the real point of this blog and it is to discuss the scam or not scam of GPP as an investor in the scheme I so want it not to be but if it is I want to be as well informed as I possibly can be if further action has to be taken ie .. giving of id to Stella…or the routing out of the scam perpetrators ( if it is one) it does not help the situation the nasty bad mouthing of contributers from either side of the fence I understand that as an investor anxiously waiting on news emotions can run high.. also the infuriation of those who think its all a scam.. but is there any point of making it personal??????
Comment by bridget — 6th April 2008 @ 8:07 pm
Eagle,
Thanks for the correction and info on Seigler. A sad situation indeed.
Now for you Extans;
EXTAN,
Ok, perhaps I was wrong about Seigler being involved in this GPP scam. That however was a statement about a scam that I likened to this one.
As for your monies that you state that you have earned, tell you what, good for you. Why do you think that we need to know this anyway? Any relation to GPP?
Ok, you have written EXTAN in all caps because the moons of Saturn have alinged, whatever… You also won’t respond to any questions of mine? Now, what else is new? You’ve never done so anyway.
ExTaN,
In respect to the PayPal payment, are you saying that you are aware of such a payment?
Ben,
That bit of info on the two people acting as one is quite interesting. I’ll have to quickly end this post as “he” has learned how to travel several miles per second. He might instantly appear and slap around.
bridget,
I am somewhat embarassed by what are true statements that you’ve mentioned. We all want to know what has happened to our money, how many people Stella is comprised of, and how to track her down! I think that we have some involved entities here. I don’t see how someone can be so happy to be lied to for what is approaching a year (based upon the original supposed payout date). Haven’t we all had enough of this “just wait, it’s coming”,”the solution is around the corner”, and the rest of that nonsense? What is the supposed payout date now? Anyone know?
Quick question to all…
Based on the great information that has been provided, my question is:
Would you buy another contract? Let’s put it like this… If you found a $100 bill on the ground, would you send it to GPP and look for your 100 – 200 thousand dollars, or enjoy it for something else? You know what my answer would be. What about yours?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 6th April 2008 @ 10:27 pm
yup mike i have sure had enough of the waiting on pay out date and wish i could just shut of and forget it as i was given the ”policy” as a gift i havent actually lost anything other than the dreams of what i would do when it pays out .. and perhaps a little of my faith in the fact that there are some good people out there and yes if it turns out to be a scam i will feel a tad foolish to have believed that it was ever possible that it could be true… when do we draw the line and finally admit to ourselfs that its never going to work .. If it does pay out I may not go great things for humanity but i will sure make a difference to those i love ….. but how long do we hang on ”being postive”….smiles if i found $100 dollar bill i doubt if i would ever invest in any other scheme i dont think i could go through the torture of wondering again .. i would simply spend it on a treat and enjoy:)
Comment by bridget — 7th April 2008 @ 1:08 am
extan: I almost fell off my chair I was laughing so hard at your wanting to have a “direct” discussion with me. Sounds like someone likes to talk tough when they are behind their keyboard, but would be a totally different story in person. How do you know that I am not 6’6″, 275 lbs, and ex-Special Forces? Kind of changes things now doesn’t it. So send in the other EXTAN so we can have a civil discussion instead of this second grade diatribe of yours.
Comment by EagleOne — 7th April 2008 @ 3:58 am
Tried to make extan in italics, but I suppose we have to wait for Google to bring out an advanced browser.
About Stella, she is complainig about all those wrongly filled in refund application and that will take another 2 weeks, I know everyone including Ben will say she is just wanting some more time, scam, scam, scam, but since I have a similar experience with our students handing in the wrong layouts, about 90%, can’t correct everything, I know how frustrating and time wasting it is to work with such people. Incredible how many humans are like that! Nobody can help because they do not know how to do it.
BEN, thanks for posting my 2 “angry” post again into the current page, one can see the dates differing. About me being in Pretoria and Parow at the same time, nice try, both wrong but sometimes I’m dreaming about flying, must practice to get going 🙂 . Actually I studied in Pretoria and have lived in Parow, not anymore, now live in a more upmarked place with a beautiful and extra super girlfriend! Rather talk positive about GPP… instead of searching in the wrong places… my real name can be found on the internet, only good stuff, no criminal stuff.
Eagle I’m only 95 – 100 kg, those 250 kg guys need to eat less 🙂 !!
Comment by EXTAN — 7th April 2008 @ 9:41 am
“BEN, thanks for posting my 2 “angry†post again into the current page”
Wasn’t me – check again and you will see that…
As for you being in two different places, that’s what your IP addresses suggest.
However, comment #693 was made using a third IP address – this time in Cape Town!
Comment by Ben — 7th April 2008 @ 9:56 am
Sorry Ben, I see it was Blade68 that pasted it in his letter for maximum effect.
Cape Town is wrong again, may I help, now I’m here in Bellville South, nothing to hide, but we also have a campus in Cape Town central, and other places, same name, but merged since about 2 years! Telkom is the “umbrella” provider for the international internet connections but we now have a new provider.
You know, it is really funny how GPP seems to be understaffed, so it will take a little longer, obviously we all want the money yesterday!
Comment by eXTAn — 7th April 2008 @ 10:25 am
Well extan, even though GPP is understaffed, you seem to be pulling your weight in supporting it. “Stella” is sure glad to have someone like you to keep the dream(scam) alive. And now since you’re also capable to muliply, you can put in double the effort and it shouldn’t be any problem at all for GPP to deliver.
You didn’t answer any of my questions about GPP, why is that?
But why would you, after we, the critical people, are just “negativo baboons” and “dummies” according to you, and we should get our asses kicked by you. Am I right?
Here in Finland (you know, birth place of stella), forex scam came in to light, leaving some 10000 people scammed and 50mil.€ dissappeared. One of the main culprits of this scam was also one of the biggest promoters of GPP in Finland. Makes you think, does it?
And now GPP is being investigated by authorities, since GPP doesn’t have a license to sell insurances in Finland. But I guess those police officers are just envious bastards, right extan?
On a serious note, anyone who is still promoting GPP, is either extremely stupid, stoned, or part of the scammer group.
Which one are you, Extan?
Comment by Rokka — 7th April 2008 @ 4:05 pm
You know, all of these different extans are really confusing us! One actually sounds as if he has some sense, but the other 2… well I don’t know… Also, am I mistaken, but is there a 4th extan that has come on the scene!?!?
Look, there is no need to attempt to identify yourselves as one person. Identifiy yourselves as individuals so that we might know which of you to address…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 7th April 2008 @ 10:39 pm
Is anyone familiar with what is going on w/ GPP today? Did I read something about a further delay or even addtioinal monies that were needed?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 7th April 2008 @ 10:48 pm
Mike: Nothing on the official forum, but some stuff posted in German and I think Norwegian, Finnish or Swedish. Since I don’t read or speak, not sure what it was. One was by Stella and the other by Neverland.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th April 2008 @ 7:55 am
Well interesting, everyone can talk derogative about me, call me whatever and Ben deletes my posts, I should not stand by my positive stance, good for you, GPP will pay out soon and we will laugh at you. Seems you can’t take the truth like his highness Mr. Mugabe!
Comment by extan — 8th April 2008 @ 10:01 am
I see Blade68’s derogative rumblings about me were also removed, thanks, what about EagleOne’s though I think he is an ok guy! I guess nothing can be said about GPP because they will pay out, just call me stupid, I’m not.
Comment by extan — 8th April 2008 @ 10:19 am
Mike here is extan no 5,5. or if you want no 7, 9. News is that no money has recently flown into GPP, it’s static, so everyone is just waiting, by the way if you treat me well then I’m also extan A1 all the same, no use to try to get rid of me, I’m much too positive!!!
Comment by extan — 8th April 2008 @ 12:46 pm
I think Neverland made a better job of translating Stellas latest “frustration” letter into German to make it better understood, Stella and Co. probably never thought that they would battle like they do, but soon I suppose everyone will be happy, obviously not the negative types. No more posting here, just me?
Comment by extan — 8th April 2008 @ 2:38 pm
“I think Neverland made a better job of translating Stellas latest “frustration†letter into German to make it better understood…”
No surprise since he probably wrote it to begin with. lol
Comment by JH — 8th April 2008 @ 4:03 pm
I’m at home just before going to hike in the nearby woods, I’ve heard someone say Ben wants this blog to be only for the purpose to prove that GPP will fail, that’s why he deleted my posts!! Good luck!
[Addition by Ben: Just over 2 hours ago “you” already had a go at me about deleting posts – don’t you remember? Or are you somebody else posting as “extan” this time? The different IP address would suggest that this is a different person to the one who posted at around 1438…]
Comment by EXTAN — 8th April 2008 @ 4:51 pm
Eagle, if you have something concerning this scam in finnish, I can do the translation. Always enjoy a good laugh now and then.
That’s why i enjoy extans comments as well.
Comment by Rokka — 8th April 2008 @ 7:04 pm
Not to worry, extan. They’re under investigation now, and all those over “the radar” bad-guys, and disenfranchised law enforcement people have tuned into the words of “Stella”.
It’s only a matter of time, now, and OBVIOUSLY, there will be no banking solution if the entire program is under scrutiny by the US feds. They will not have a single corresponding banking relationship! No other bank will put themselves in such a position to be included in that scrutiny.
Comment by Zippy — 8th April 2008 @ 7:41 pm
Rokka: It was on the GPP member forum where I saw the info posted. Neverland posted one I think in German, and Stella was the one who posted it in one of the Scandinavian languages. If you can’t access, let me know and I’ll do a C&P for you to translate.
extan: Since you insist, you are stupid. Now does that make you feel better? Just trying to oblige.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th April 2008 @ 12:47 am
Extans,
What basis do you get this info that makes you so positive? I see no financial basis for your claims..
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th April 2008 @ 1:29 am
Eagle: I don’t have access to forums, so C&P it in here and I’ll translate.
Some news from Finland today: Finnish national bureau of investigations started investigating GPP on suspicions of illegal pyramid game and illegal money collection. I’m sure finnish authorities are not the only ones investigating GPP. Any thoughts on that, Extan?
Comment by Rokka — 9th April 2008 @ 9:14 am
well, if the FED’S are on the heels of GPP, we can probably thank you negative guys, because the FED’S are working for Mr Bush and the CIA with the expressed job to make sure that the poor people do not get rich, because that would be a huge problem for the rich, having less poor mans tax to play with. Ronald Regan put it like this:” If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops, (the rich people) then subsidize it.”
Comment by extan 1 - 5 — 9th April 2008 @ 12:28 pm
GlobalPensionPlan.TK Forum has been suspended. Anyone knows why?
Comment by snartmor — 9th April 2008 @ 1:03 pm
TK forum? looks like they just have put some stuff into the admin file, so the feds can’t catch them, what utter rubish 🙂
Comment by extan A1 SA — 9th April 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Extan! Shake your head! Reality Bites! It has nothing to do with Bush, or the CIA, or the bad banking authorities, or hackers, or whatever lame excuse you’ll here from the “Stella-Camp”.
The Fed’s are investigating Siegler which led them to GPP and they want to know why people would send money to an entity with no contact name, address or phone. Now, there’s a surprise!
Stella knew what Siegler was doing, in his redirecting GPP memberships into his own bank account, so, why didn’t she take legal action to stop him?
Because GPP is not legal, itself?
Hmm, maybe you should blame Stella,…not anyone else.
Comment by zippy — 9th April 2008 @ 4:41 pm
Finland’s NBI probes another online pyramid scheme
9.4.2008 at 13:57
Finland’s National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) is investigating another suspected online pyramid fraud scheme, Tampere-based daily Aamulehti reported on Wednesday.
According to the paper, the scheme is called Global Pension Plan. The NBI had said earlier it was probing an online “investment” scheme named WinCapita.
“This is a cross between pyramid marketing and an illegal lottery,” Jouni Laiho, a senior civil servant at the interior ministry, was quoted as saying by Aamulehti.
Mr Laiho told the paper that thousands of Finns had probably lost their money.
Global Pension Plan is marketed on the internet as a retirement pension scheme costing as little as 30 euros. Punters are told that they will be paid a pension of 55,000 euros on a vague future date provided at least 100,000 sign up to the scheme.
http://newsroom.finland.fi/stt/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=18459&group=General
Comment by JH — 9th April 2008 @ 5:25 pm
Press release from Finland’s Insurance Supervisory Authority.
4.2.2008
FUNDRAISING SYSTEMS ARE MISLEADINGLY MARKETED AS INSURANCE POLICIES
The Insurance Supervisory Authority issues a warning for the general public about various pro-grammes and arrangements marketed on the Internet and through other means, in which money is collected and the customer is falsely led to believe that it is for insurance operations. In truth, the programme or the arrangement is about something completely different.
The Insurance Supervisory Authority has become aware of websites which offer the possibility to join a so-called Global Pension Plan programme. In the presentation of the programme, the words “pension insurance” are used. According to the description of the programme, the investment group will take out insurance for those joining the system and pay them either EUR 55,000 or EUR 110,000. The people behind the investment group are not identified, nor are the name or home state of any insurance com-pany involved in the programme mentioned.
Other, similar arrangements may be offered on the Internet.
According to available information, the Global Pension Plan programme and any equivalent arrange-ments are not involved in legal insurance or insurance intermediary operations.
Below is a description of how to check if an insurance company or an insurance intermediary is appro-priately registered and what information must be included in marketing materials. If the required in-formation about the product marketed or its provider is lacking, there is reason to suspect that the product in question is not an insurance product and that the arrangement is illegal.
An insurance company may operate only under licence
The insurance business is a regulated industry and may be practiced in Finland only by a licensed do-mestic insurance company, or an insurance company of a country belonging to the European Eco-nomic Area (EEA) that has established a representative office in Finland or submitted a notification of free provision of services to the Insurance Supervisory Authority. Insurance companies from outside the EEA, so-called third-country insurance companies, are required to hold a licence and to establish a representative office in Finland.
Information on insurance companies operating in Finland has been entered into registers maintained by the Insurance Supervisory Authority.
The Authority’s website (www.vakuutusvalvonta.fi>Customers>Companies under supervision) includes lists (in Finnish) of all domestic insurance companies operating in Finland. Information on domestic and foreign insurance companies listed in the registers can be acquired from Maarit Lensu, Planner, who maintains the regis-ters, tel. +358 (0)9 4155 9540.
An insurance intermediary must be registered
Insurance mediation, e.g. operations as an insurance broker or an insurance company’s agent, is also a regulated business. The registration and data on an insurance intermediary can be checked from the register of Finnish insurance intermediaries, which is maintained by the Insurance Supervisory Author-ity and is available (in Finnish) on the Authority’s website at (www.vakuutusvalvonta.fi > Customers > Insured / policyholders > Insurance intermediaries’ activities).
An insurance company’s duty of disclosure in marketing
In its marketing, an insurance company must provide the customer with all information on the mar-keted insurance that may have significance when the customer makes decisions concerning the insur-ance. In its marketing, an insurance company may not give false or misleading information or other-wise use any methods that are inappropriate vis-à-vis the customer or that are contrary to good prac-tice. Marketing that does not include information needed for the customer’s financial security must always be considered inappropriate. The information that the insurance company must disclose to the insurance applicant prior to signing a contract is separately regulated by the Insurance Contracts Act. Furthermore, in its marketing, a foreign insurance company must state its name, corporate form, home state, head office address, and the address of the office or branch with which a prospective insurance contract would be made.
An insurance intermediary’s duty of disclosure in marketing
Prior to signing a contract, an insurance intermediary must state to the customer, among other things, his or her name, the visiting address of the intermediary’s office, and in which register of the insurance intermediaries he or she is registered and how the registration can be verified. In his or her marketing, an insurance intermediary must specify which insurers he or she represents and, when marketing a single insurance product, which insurer’s product it is. Regarding the product, the insurance intermedi-ary must provide the same information as an insurance company. In his or her marketing, an insurance intermediary may not give false or misleading information or otherwise use any methods that are inap-propriate vis-à-vis the customer or that are contrary to good practice.
For further information, please contact Erja Rautanen, Director, tel. +358 (0)9 4155 9620 or Timo Peltonen, Head of Unit, tel. +358 (0)9 4155 9646.
http://www.vakuutusvalvonta.fi/s/f/editor/attachments/ENG_1_08_FUNDRAISING%20SYSTEMS%20ARE%20MISLEADINGLY%20MARKETED%20AS%20INSURANCE.pdf
Comment by JH — 9th April 2008 @ 5:29 pm
JH,
I suspect that this says it all!
Extans, any comments?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th April 2008 @ 6:20 pm
“Q: What should I tell people if they say: “It is too good to be true”?
A: As mentioned earlier, this program is more or less once in a lifetime opportunity. Any interested party should do their own due diligence prior to making a decision for participation. At Global Pension Plan, the prospective members are either familiar with this type of program or have received materials and briefing through an existing member, their sponsor. A question probably rises: “Why should anyone spend the time and effort to promote a bona-fide program that doesn\’t earn profits during the progress?” The answer is easily found from the difference between the wealthy class and the working class, which is that the wealthy class knows how to make their money work for them even during their sleep, while the working class uses their money to spend on what the wealthy class wants them to spend it on. The way the wealthy class manage to maintain and improve their level of wealth is by providing only limited opportunities for the working class, while keeping the privilege opportunities for themselves. This is what you have heard as “The rich getting richer”.”
Previous text is quote from GPPs FAQ page.
Did you write this one, Extan?
So, anymore conspiracy theories?
If GPP is legitimate company with nothing to hide, it should pass any inspection by authorities without any problems.
The more I read Extans ramblings, the more I’m convinced that he doesn’t believe a word he writes. He’s either 1)one of the scammers behind GPP, or 2)just paid by them to write some BS on forums. Or option number 3, he’s just incredibly stupid.
Lets take a poll. Eagle, Zippy, Mike, which option do you think applies to Extan?
Comment by Rokka — 9th April 2008 @ 6:55 pm
You naive humans! Don’t you realize that the Finnish government is secretly controlled by those little concrete garden gnomes? This contrived interference with GPP’s program is all part of their evil plan to keep the little man enslaved to continue to produce them until they reach sufficient numbers to once again reclaim the Earth!
Don’t believe me huh? See the TRUTH!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsA9Mm8KefU
(Hey, it makes as much sense as ExTan’s conspiracy theories.)
Comment by JH — 9th April 2008 @ 7:25 pm
extan: Grow up. If you are going to quote someone, quote them correctly. Ronald Reagan never said any such thing. Quit trying to twist things to suit your agenda. If you can’t be honest about quoting other people, you cannot be honest about anything else either. It is called lying, and you were just caught doing it again.
So please come back and tell me how you got it wrong when you quoted Reagan, and it was someone elses fault for your misquoting him; and oh yes, you didn’t lie. Don’t you think it is about time you graduated out of first grade?
Comment by EagleOne — 9th April 2008 @ 7:27 pm
Rokka: First, the post I referenced was just the Swedish version of Stella’s update about the December refunds, so no need to paste it here.
As to your survey: All 3.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th April 2008 @ 7:34 pm
Rokka,
I have to say that I agree with both 1 and 3… No, I actually believe that this would be 1,2 and 3.
1) I have always suspected that one of the extans was Stella.
2) As there are so many extans’ I suspect that the other 2 or 3 are pumpers of course directly related somehow. Come on now… Why would anyone have IP addresses miles and miles away from each other? Not only that, bust MOST TELLING, what is the deal with all of the iterations of extan (the caps and lower cases)? ITS NOT 1 PERSON.. That’s the answer!!!
3) I’d say that it is actually that they think that we are stupid. We are not. Hopefully we are helping others from falling prey to this scam!
Extans’,
I was at first hesitant to believe that you all had anthing to do with this, but I can no longer say that. Lies, nonsense about your road trips, other things used to distract, not answering pointed questions, several of you acting as one person, and several different IP addresses identifing several locations…. Well let’s put it like this. If I knew all of this about a person, I would not tell him/her/them, to hold my wallet. My cash, identity and credit I would think would be in extreem jepardy.
Again, if I’m wrong (I doubt it), I’m sorry, but I am very weary about you all.
I forgot that you said that you wouldn’t answer my questions, but what are your thoughts about GPP getting busted in Finland?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th April 2008 @ 8:59 pm
One of the fun things about extan, or whatever version you want to use in spelling, you get the full gambit. First for, then against, then maybe, then wait and see, then not sure, then absolutely sure, then Stella is a fairy, then extan is a fairy (just see if you were reading this extan). Would be nice to “know” which “one” you are addressing. Kind of like being in a masquerade ball, and you don’t know who is underneath the mask. Or maybe extan just has multiple personalities, and needs help.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th April 2008 @ 9:35 pm
I’ve been saying Extan is a part of the scam for a long time.
Comment by busting gut — 9th April 2008 @ 10:42 pm
Busting,
Quite seriously, as I memtioned earlier, I’ve suspected this for months now.
I’d be amused to see if they even post again with the info that Finland put out! I can almost hear their gears spinning…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th April 2008 @ 11:41 pm
Actually I was hearing shredders whirring with the news out of Finland. FYI: They won’t be the last either. So much for trying to stay under the “radar of governmental agencies.”
Comment by EagleOne — 10th April 2008 @ 4:45 am
Finland’s Ministry of Interior has ordered Finland’s National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) to investigate GPP. The Director of the FIA has already stated that GPP is not a licensed intermediary, as it is required by law. So much for staying “below the radar of the authorities.” Just so you know I can be positive extan, I am positively glad to see the Finnish Government positively taking action in regard to GPP. I am positive that other countries will be doing the same thing, if not already. I am positive they will get to the bottom of GPP, and it won’t be long until we have positive news as to who really is behind GPP, and positively who Stella really is.
Hey, this being positive is a lot of fun.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th April 2008 @ 9:25 am
conspiracy theories, haha how stupid can people really be, did you know about those little transponders that Motorola produces to put under the soldiers skins to monitor their whereabouts and when a doctor tries to take that out some poison expoldes and kills that solder, you may be the next in line, now call this nonsense!! Call it mark of the beast as stands in the bible?
And Regan was quoted correctly on Yahoo, hope so! Eagle, get a life, you can do better than trying to offend me! Mike I have nothing to say to you, OK? What happens in Finland is ok, or whereever, GPP can probably prove that they operate legal, I would also not give my address with so many lunatics on this earth that would try to visit them and just cause sick trouble, that’s the whole problem, one can so clearly see this problem on ignorant humans on this blog!!!!!
Comment by extan A1 SA — 10th April 2008 @ 9:45 am
I would also not give my address with so many lunatics on this earth that would try to visit them and just cause sick trouble, that’s the whole problem, one can so clearly see this problem on ignorant humans on this blog!!!!!
Comment by extan A1 SA – April 10, 2008 @ 9:45 am
This sentence doesn’t make sense; written by someone who is not an English speaker. I would like to add some more, but I don’t want Extan err extan enjoying too much of the attention given to HER by almost all the followers here.
Comment by Kitz — 10th April 2008 @ 1:17 pm
Kitzi, sorry if that sentence does not make sense to you, that’s the whole problem, don’t you think so? Maybe Mike also does not understand?
It just means that for security reasons (for example GPP) it makes sense to hide away from the horrible morons of this earth, in particular if you have so much money stashed under your pillow 🙂 !
Comment by extan — 10th April 2008 @ 3:28 pm
I see now that almost all of the options in the poll about extan applied to him quite nicely. Of course, in the poll I assumed extan is one person, which is obviously not the case.
So, another poll for you all, feel free to participate:
Which extan is your favourite:
1)High almighty, know-it-all extan
2)crazy conspiracy theorist extan
3)”must stay positive” extan
4)human behaviour expert extan
5)lunatic ranting, threatening, extan
in my opinion, they’re all just as hilarious. It’s difficult to choose. You can also suggest your own extans, if I forgot some from the list.
And not to stray from the subject too much,GPP Is,was,and will stay a scam and I hope our authorities prove it soon enough.
Comment by Rokka — 10th April 2008 @ 4:57 pm
I like : You are all sick and twisted, and if i was near you i would cut your throat and gouge your eyes just to show you how educated i am: Extan!
Comment by Blade68 — 10th April 2008 @ 5:16 pm
Since you want to play, extan here is what you quoted Ronald Reagan saying, and I quote you: “Ronald Regan put it like this:†If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops, (the rich people) then subsidize it.â€Â
As I said before, that is “NOT” what Ronald Reagan said. What he said was, and I quote: “The ‘government’s view’ of the economy could be summed up in a few short phrases: If it moves, tax it. If it keeps moving, regulate it. And if it stops moving, subsidize it.”
As I said, you misquoted him and you lied. For someone who is “supposed” to be so educated, you sure are dumb.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th April 2008 @ 6:03 pm
Blade68: Lets call that option number 6.
Here in Finland, big news of recent days are these two exposed scams, Wincapita and GPP. Estimated numbers about wincapita are, 10000 people participated and 69mil.€ gone with the wind, so GPP is nothing in comparison. One reason why GPP is now being investigated is that the same people(read:scam artists) who were promoting wincapita, were also promoting GPP. So, I think that extans shouldn’t focus their hate on the other scammers who drew the attention to GPP, instead of people who we’re smart enough to realize true nature on GPP: SCAM.
I find it hilarious when extans blamed us, “negative people” for the fact that GPP is being investigated. It’s like the prosecuted criminal blaming the eye witness for his/her arrest…
Comment by Rokka — 10th April 2008 @ 6:03 pm
My two favorites are: “You are all sick and twisted, and if i was near you i would cut your throat and gouge your eyes just to show you how educated i am: Extan!” which came from a person who then said: “Eagle I’m only 95 – 100 kg.”
Comment by EagleOne — 10th April 2008 @ 7:54 pm
OK, OK – extan, EXTAN and eXtAn are not the most popular people making comments on this blog but I think we all know where we stand now so can we drop the fighting please?
On the whole the only people who are openly backing the Global Pension Plan are the “extans” and Stella – fair play to them. I assume that the minute they stop believing we won’t see them again.
But, this blog is about the Global Pension Plan and also the other semi-related “pension plans” such as the one Ben Seigler was so happy to promote relentlessly.
Can we keep on topic please? Thanks
Comment by Ben — 10th April 2008 @ 9:12 pm
Speaking of RPP’s do any of you think that hthe word is getting out that all of them are SCAMS? I fear that this may not be the case. I’m sadened to thinkt that this must first get on prime time news to get people to wake up! No one is going to give you free money! You know, when you think of it, this would almost look like we are getting paid to get this money! Let’s consider this… The pension program is supposed to pay us this 55K. This 55K however is based on tomorrows deflated value of a dollar…. So, they are going ot giv us today’s value of a dollar (which is worth more than 40 yrs from now), and give it to us now? HA!
Let’s think of it like this… In 1975, you could probably by a brand new car for $3500. Today, let’s say that you’ll need $20,000. We can easily see that the cost to buy something increases. So in 1975, if i could obtain this (tomorrows $dollar value), and use then, you would have been able to buy almost 6 cars.
Perhaps, I’m thinking of this incorrectly, but RPPs are scams bottom line.
I’ll be no one, NO ONE, can tell us of one that has paid one dollar back! When I say one dollar, I mean 1 dollar!!! They too have been jacked!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 10th April 2008 @ 10:46 pm
All,
We have yet another extan to join the group…
Welcome extan A1 SA!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 10th April 2008 @ 10:49 pm
Rokka: Look forward to your keeping us informed on what is happening in Finland with the investigation of GPP. Don’t be surprised if you see a few more countries in the region doing the same.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th April 2008 @ 2:22 am
So Eagle where is the real difference in the quote besides the obvious enclosed addition, which is obviously not included in the quote, it beats me hands down!!
And Ben is complaining, because it’s your “find the scam” blog, that’s why, your followers always looking for trouble and I have always talked about GPP so what is your problem?? Can they stop sobbing???
[Addition by Ben: Complaining is not the right word to use if you are referring to my post yesterday. I just wanted the bickering to stop and the comments to be solely about GPP and other reverse pension plan schemes. I asked politely – no complaining involved. Comment on GPP or go away – that’s all I have to say. And extan, stick to the same username please – when you change it I have to manually approve your rants because they get caught in the moderation queue. Thanks, Ben]
For the rest I can just laugh for so much nonsense, can rather spend my time better!
Comment by always extant — 11th April 2008 @ 1:18 pm
Nothing new here in Finland, since the investigation is still ongoing.
When the news about investigation being launhced came to light, these few “get rich quick”-scammers who were promoting GPP in here, removed from their sites everything concerning GPP. Or their sites dedicated to GPP dissappeared. Probably not a coincidence.
One doesn’t have to do much research to find these kind of RPP-scams over the internet. Check out the link where you can find most of these scams:http://heatherwolfnetwork.blogspot.com/
All of these programs mentioned on the site are identical to one another. They all look about the same bullshit as GPP.
This womans page is just about hilarious as extans comments.
It would be better to invest your 30€ in to lottery, there at least you have a chance to win, how ever minimal is that chance to win a big amount of money. I’m betting that extan(s) will come out telling that lottery is just a scam, and with his vast knowledge about everything, he thinks GPP is the way to go. Just need to stay positive…
Comment by Rokka — 11th April 2008 @ 2:34 pm
About GPP let’s hope the FEDS get their heads washed if nothing can be found, but sure they will plant something incriminating, well known for it!
Blade68
BEN asked me to keep to GPP or to go away, I suppose you can write about “and if i was near you I would cut your throat and gouge your eyes” nothing about GPP and that is ok with BEN, so that shows clearly that any positive post is not wanted by Ben!
Just be careful if you arrive while I’m fast asleep, maybe then I snore so hard that you can’t do that job :-). As per Ben, just imagine that I can fly at the speed of sound being in Pretoria and Capetown 1600km apart within a few minutes, wow!
Wish you a happy weekend!
Comment by EXTAN: extant=still exist — 11th April 2008 @ 5:28 pm
U too have a nice weekend, extan.
just remember to come back on monday with new conspiracy theories that you came up with. But remember to stay positive, I’m guessing the iFeds are not working on weekend, finding ways to bust this scam called GPP.
They’ll start to plant evidence on monday then : )
Comment by Rokka — 11th April 2008 @ 7:34 pm
Rokka: Interesting piece of news about people from Finland removing all reference to GPP from their sig line and websites that were previously promoting them. Can you provide any specific sites? Just curious. You know the supporters are going to claim unless you can “prove” this has happened, it is just talk. Of course they cannot post any “facts” that GPP has been cleared by several countries authorities, and GPP has paid out before but that is different. You see they can’t because of the NDA. Don’t you just love the convenience of the so-called NDA. ROFLOL! You would think that Stella would have posted all this on the member’s forum to help quell all the discontent in the membership. I guess the NDA prevented her from doing so. I mean, all legal companies operate this way.ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 11th April 2008 @ 9:31 pm
I don’t suppose that anyone has heard anything about this fictional payout. As a matter of fact, I have seen nothing in relations to such. Not even the lie that it’ll be here next week!
Sad… I recall reading some posts back that stated that GPP would not be ready to make a payout for several months!!! Bet that was a big mistake on thier part. Especially, as they have already been stringing people along now for months to years!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 11th April 2008 @ 10:26 pm
Mike: The payout that I think you are referencing was not from “this” program of GPP. The person who posted this information is a known cheerleader of GPP & HCI25. He is not a member of GPP, but has family members who are members of GPP. He also said that GPP has been checked out by the “authorities” of several countries and given a clean bill of health as being legal. Of course he never mentions just who these countries are, or what “authorities.”
His claim is that GPP has paid out before for one of their programs. Again only his statement they have, and of course no specifics are given. The general excuse given as to why they can’t reveal this information is due to a NDA (Non-Disclosure Agreement).
Now only Internet investment companies seem to require these NDA’s, but not licensed and legal companies. Isn’t that convenient. What is so laughable is a NDA is not even enforceable in the context in which they claim it is being used. If that was the case, no-one could refer anyone into GPP. A NDA means you could not tell anyone about GPP in any fashion, or you would be in violation of the NDA. See what I mean that it is a “convenient” excuse but not real. Come to think of it, just like GPP is not real.
Welcome to the world of “pie-in-the-sky” investments, but we are legitimate. We just can’t prove we are, but you have to take our word for it, because it would violate our NDA. ROFLOL!!
Comment by EagleOne — 11th April 2008 @ 11:48 pm
Here’s few “get rich quick” scammers pages, that went offline/removed info about GPP, immediately after investigation was launched:
http://www.financia4us.com
http://www.eskola.biz/
And not to forget to mention GPPs finnish site:
http://www.globalpensionplan.tk/fi/
Of course, these scammers are not the sharpest knives in the drawer, so one can still find all the pages from google cache.
That first site “financia4us” is run by Matti Karsama, and I think his name came up already before somehow being connected to this scam called GPP. This guy sure is quick to remove anything from his site that turns out to be scam(ie. wincapita&GPP).hmm, wonder why is that…
Comment by Rokka — 12th April 2008 @ 8:13 am
About the conspiracy stuff, GPP will have to contend with a lot of it, even if given a “clean bill of health”. Pity some of you are so ignorant about real life, I mean why for example did the USA go into Iraq and not into Zimbabwe, of course because of the oil which they now control, isn’t it obvious what game is being played and you also did not respond to the “mark of the beast” story because you know it is true.
Anyway, some GPP downlines did some buying, so we will get more. What more do I need to say, did some serious hiking on table mountain, upper contour path, etc.
Comment by EXTAn — 13th April 2008 @ 2:20 pm
Hello yet again, even newer extan. Look, we don’t care about who invaded you on your mountain trip to ascension. What we want to know is where our money is.
MikeCheck
Comment by mikecheck — 13th April 2008 @ 4:05 pm
The only conspiracy here is the blatant fraud by GPP and the attempts by some to legitimize it for what they think is to their own benefit. There will be no “clean bill of health” for it because it is a very obvious scam. And regardless how many may be lured into downlines, you won’t get any of it.
(BTW: SASOL is PEOPLE!)
Comment by JH — 13th April 2008 @ 5:53 pm
I guess that GPP already had a good “bill of health” from some reasonable countries/quarters, you just can’t take that! E O pieriena sa xamga zwaz, some bushmen words for a good week, julle sotte, not comprehendo that GPP will pay out soon, but not yesterday. Mike you will have lost nothing! Scam Scam Scam in your head only!
Have a good night…
Comment by EXTAN — 13th April 2008 @ 6:56 pm
Extan,
Tell me how you know this, where you’ve read this.
MikeCheck
Comment by mikecheck — 13th April 2008 @ 7:25 pm
“I guess that GPP already had a good “bill of health†from some reasonable countries/quarters”
From where? You mean like the Somali-licensed virtual bank in Latvia they used to launder the money?
lol What a joke.
Comment by JH — 13th April 2008 @ 7:39 pm
So, extan. What is the date that GPP is going to payout?
Is it after all the investigations have ended,maybe…
And, also if you can tell which “reasonable countries” provided GPP with good “bill of healthâ€Â, I’d be curious to know?
Any views about Finnish authorities investigating GPP?
You do know, that they’re suspecting GPP of being an illegal pyramid scheme, and selling insurances without necessery liccenses…
Comment by Rokka — 14th April 2008 @ 5:15 am
Rokka: Since you mentioned Karsama’s involvement with GPP, there have been many involved since the early stages of GPP. Matti, Mika, Hannu (I think charged with financial fraud or crimes), Markku, and Aria. There may even be more. They are all old cronies of the Hatfield-Oak bunch. Now keeping this all in mind, Finland, Estonia, western Russia and Latvia are all sharing borders; so running from one country to another is not that big of a deal. So the 3 Latvian women are not that far from the Karsama clan.
Adding to this mix is http://www.boulat.com, which is owned by Boulat Rafikov, which appeared about the same time as GPP, the early years. Stella, in an early post on GPP, named both Boulat and Finacia4us as “Partners†in GPP’s success. However, this post was removed shortly after the post was made. Hmmm, makes you wonder why doesn’t it.
So who is Boulat Rafikov? Well, he is all over the net. He deals in many trade goods to Angola, but claims financial positions in Portugal, Canada, and possibly the Philippines. You also have Rafikov’s in Malaysia, Kuala Lumpur to be exact, who are execs of “IT†companies.
You can also check out http://fipcor.com/pdf/Article5UK.pdf where you will find a report on Dr. Rafikov (not sure why he is listed as a Doctor) that is not too complimentary. In this article you learn that you can get an offshore bank account with absolutely no ID! Can anyone say First Oceanic Bank. Also check out this link: http://isp-lists.isp-planet.com/isp-…/msg00077.html.
It seems Rafikov’s connection to Canada is through Fikrat Rafikov who has a business in Toronto called http://www.blacklogic.com. One of his interesting characteristics of his business is you have “Absolute anonymity.†Hmmm, does this sound anything like GPP, and Stella? You can read the article here: http://www.feedrat.com/articledetail….+Personal+VPN.
But back to the Rafikov in Malaysia. Ildous (Ildus) Rafikov is the CFO of Amica, and now apparently heads Nexus sdn bhd. There is a Rafikov acting as an official in 2 busy companies in Kuala Lumpur You’ll also find him here: (in Russia, doing muslim finance)
http://www.inceif.org/study/cifp/cif…tPrefLangID=1&
And here, promoting MM2H (Malaysia my second home)
http://www.muslimbc.com/member/direc…Rafikov/ildusr
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:…lnk&cd=5&gl=ca
And deals with the Germany business club here:
http://germanybusinesshub.com/search…027&objtype=IF
Interesting that Stella and the Trust just happened to go to Asia for their “banking solution†(at least that was the story) isn’t it. Speaking of Stella, she said she met with the Trust partners in Liechtenstein, and also the General Manager of the Insurance Company involved. The largest insurer, life and non-life in eastern Europe is: http://www.pohjola.fi/_MuutSivut/InEnglish/default.htm. Note the bank this company is connected with, and remember that Stella said the insurance company and the lending institution were owned by the same entity.
What is interesting is that with all these Finnish, Latvian, Malaysian, Canadian, Russian connections, all you have to do is look to see who is “promoting†GPP and where they are from. Another connection is they all use a gmail E-mail account. Coincidence isn’t it. Throw in that Financia4us also was heavily involved in 12dailypro, promoted offshore bank accounts, as has TeamThemco, and toss in Jan-Knilles Groenhof and Pedro Dispenza, and you have quite a cast of interesting characters. At least GPP wasn’t lying when they said they were global, but that is the only thing they said that has been true. Now there is a lot more, but we’ll save that for another day. I almost forgot, we cannot forget extant from South Africa as being part of the cast of characters. Sure don’t want to slight him. He might get his feelings hurt, pout and possibly throw a temper tantrum if I failed to mention him.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th April 2008 @ 6:38 am
EagleOne: I’d be more than surprised too see finnish bank/insurance company Pohjola somehow involved in this scam. It is actually Finlands leading financial group with some 4 million customers.
And from their site you can actually see who is who. You know, pictures of companys CEOs and contact details. This company have their own email adresses, so no need to use gmail, like Stella : )
Pohjolas own assets are around 1,8 billion €, and debths and assets all together around 26 billion €. So, somebody remind me, how much moneyu was needed in order for GPP to payout to all 100000 (+extra insurance policies) members?!?
I found one interesting article concering GPP in finnish newspaper:
http://www.aamulehti.fi/uutiset/kotimaa/79319.shtml
It is naturally in finnish, but in a nutshelf goes like this:
GPP has been gathering money here in Finland at least for two years. Throughout whole this time,”company” has been providing members with additional policies. Few weeks ago GPP organised an info session in Helsinki, it was supposed to be a big event, but it shrinked to a small meeting of few hundred suck–,eh, sorry, mean people.
This was mainly because main speakers of the event had to cancel their participation, why is that,I wonder. Maybe police investigation had something to do with it.
Funniest thing about the story was, that organisers of the event actually sold lottery tickets for 10€ and one could actually win more insurance policies. That just cracked me up. Guess those people behind GPP need more cash and quick, ground is burning under their feet. Maybe extan should offer them refuge from to cruel world, and take them hiking or something. You know, somewhere where those evil authorities won’t find them 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 14th April 2008 @ 9:43 am
EagleOne, don’t worry, I have found a more interesting website that promotes positive political discussions within “negative surroundings” where everybody tries to rather leave the country. One should not try to make GPP bad just because one has nothing better to do, that’s your problem, you are a very very (extremely) sick bunch of people, sorry to say. Of course it is always possible to proof someting wrong even if it is not!
Comment by EXTAN — 14th April 2008 @ 11:57 am
Extan,
Last I remember we were talking about the GPP scam, not politics.
MikeCheck
Comment by mikecheck — 14th April 2008 @ 2:33 pm
Mike you don’t get my point, GPP will pay out, until then I better do something else than to waste my time here, you seem to have run out of steam like I got sick of this sotten blog 🙂 ?
Enjoy your day and rather laugh a lot!!
Comment by EXTAN — 14th April 2008 @ 2:49 pm
Rokka: My bad. When I referenced the insurance company and the bank connection, I left off my clarifying sentence. What I failed to write was “I wondered if this is where they (GPP) got the idea of saying the insurance company and lending institution were owned by the same entity. You are right, this insurance company would not have anything to do with this scam. I apologize for making it sound as if I was insinuating they were.
Was looking for extant to show up but got EXTAN instead. Even they can’t keep themselves straight. ROFLOL.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th April 2008 @ 5:46 pm
Extan,
You do not quite understand… I’m mearly asking on what basis do you base the fact that GPP will pay out. You have not presented any. We’d all like to know!
Run out of steam? Well, I wouldn’t say that just yet….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 14th April 2008 @ 8:44 pm
I guess all those connections I posted about GPP were too much for EXTAN, extant, extan, et al. I would have thought for someone who “professes” to be so smart, intelligent, talented, and gifted would have been able to follow along. Guess I gave them all too much credit.
That was hilarious about the “presenters” canceling out of the GPP event. As you said, “Wonder what they were afraid of?” Others on other forums have assured all that this investigation by the Finn’s is no big deal, and they are not to worry. Guess they forgot to talk to the promoters of GPP who canceled showing up for the event as to whether or not it was a big deal. ROFLOL! I am “positive” that they all canceled due to fear of being quoted or recorded; just as they deleted all references to GPP from their websites. I am “positive” it won’t be long before GPP takes a powder. I am “positive” that all the variations of the Extans won’t see the “positive” in my remarks.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th April 2008 @ 11:59 pm
Eagle,
Of course the extans will not see the “positiveness” in your statement. Talk about walking around with self placed blinders on. This however, would imply that they think that this would pay. They all know that it WILL NOT!!!!
Everyone,
Let’s take this into consideration… Why would several people try to act as one? Answer: they are all in on it and trying to keep the flow of funds going!!! THE FIFTH OF THE MONTH IS FAST APPROACHING!!! This is not just an insult to me, but to us all!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 15th April 2008 @ 1:01 am
EagleOne,
It was reported on a number of forums that Stella’s last name was Pohjola.
I tracked it back to a sarcastic comment made on a Swedish/finnish forum where one person had said something to the effect that GPP would need to own (and bankrupt) the Pohjola Corporation in order to do payouts.
Some ppl still think her name is Pohjola, but I think that was just a joke.
Unfortunately, sarcasm is difficult to translate.
Comment by zippy — 15th April 2008 @ 4:26 am
To all those gathering relevant INFO on GPP, I thank you from the bottom of my heart. It sure is nice to dream, but eventually, everyone has to wake up and face reality. Might as well be now than later, when the dream will turn into a nightmare! Reality bites often times, but hey, we learned, and we learn further, that in the midst of all these scammers in the world, there are still people who care about each other and look out for each other.
Comment by Kitz — 15th April 2008 @ 4:49 am
Zippy: I remember those statements being made too. Like you, I never believed it to be her last name. In fact, I am still not convinced Stella is a real woman. What I found interesting is how GPP seemed to be copying the concept of the insurance company and the lending institution (bank) being owned by the same company from the insurance company’s website information. You know the rule, take 10% truth and mix it in with 90% total BS and anyone will believe it all. Especially if you repeat it often enough.
What is almost unbelievable to me is how anyone can say that all these posts being deleted isn’t any kind of a warning bell going off. Talk about being delusional.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th April 2008 @ 5:04 am
EagleOne: No need to apologize, I think I got where you were getting at. I think it was just a good way from “stella” to insinuate that they might have big insurance company/bank behind them without saying the name, and let people draw their conclusions. It’s,of course, So big BS, that you’d have to be really stupid, or blindly positive to believe it.
To Zippy: It think it was reported somewhere, that “stellas” last name was Pohjola. One finnish guy, who is very familiar with online scams and MLM, made his on conclusions how scammers came to that name:
Since scammers are keen to play these word games, lets see.
first name:Stella=stella polaris =pohjantähti(means northern star)
insurance company Pohjantähti
Pohjola issues Pohjantähtis pension insurances
And there you have it, Stella Pohjola!
I know it’s quite far fetched, but so is the whole concept of GPP.
Guy who came up with this “stellas” name, said he wouldn’t be surprised to find out that “stella” is actually a hairy finnish guy : )
But telling any facts(or lack thereof), or reasoning with realities, won’t effect people like Extan, who just want to believe and stay positive. There’s nothing wrong about being positive, I’m also positive that people behind will be caught, or at least exposed…
And to extan, one question. Which were the countries that reviewed GPP, and said that it is legal? You mentioned this before, but naturally didn’t provide any other info. So, if you’d be so kind to answer, it’s really a simple question, just name the countries.
Comment by Rokka — 15th April 2008 @ 7:29 am
Rokka,
In respect to extan responding to simple question (which would be informative to us all), you may as well be talking to a rock.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 15th April 2008 @ 1:16 pm
Mike: You have to understand that all the extan’s minds are like cement. Already made up and permanently set. I am positive that is a correct assessment. I didn’t want the extan’s to think I was not being positive in my post.
This notion that the deletions of posts, references to GPP in signature lines, deleting references on websites by the Finn’s is no big deal; and that the Finnish authorities are just speculating on how GPP operates, and just allegations should practice what they preach. They need to go back and re-post all the posts they have deleted. After all what are they afraid of, since the “authorities” in their countries haven’t announced any investigation into GPP?
I am positive GPP will be lucky if they last until May before pulling a disappearing act, or just announcing they didn’t get the 100,000 required; AND THEY GET TO KEEP ALL THE MONEY.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th April 2008 @ 6:04 pm
Eagle,
Yes, I’m feeling your meaning…
Ha, a dissapearing act… Yea, I’ll give them June… A whole half of a year! What’s funny and sad is that you are right about the money. In any case, there will be some reason why this will not pay out. I think you will be right about the 100,000. They will say that this amount of people did not get in (eventhough we all remember when it was said that there were over 20K more people that came in). Hmmm, I think that this was the value. Nonetheless, this was supposed to be OVER 100K.
I can’t wait to see the reason why there will be no payout. Actually I can. I’m really saddened and angered that GPP would fool us in their scam!
It’s funny that Stella has not posted here lately.
What’s the deal w/ the website? Anyone been in? Any “good” info?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 16th April 2008 @ 12:18 am
Rokka,
The development of this name of “Stella”, was very interesting… Very interesting indeed.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 16th April 2008 @ 12:21 am
Mike,
I asked a question from extan(s) to which I really wasn’t expecting an answer. Just wanted to hear some more BS about conspiracies and evading simple questions. And I think you own an apology to rocks, comparing them to extan might be considered insulting.
And what comes to GPPs dissappearing act, it will happen most likely somewhere during this summer. All the signs are in the air, investigations, deletion of sig lines, scammers removing anything connecting them to GPP, no-shows of “key speakers” for GPP event, selling extra policies etc.
I’m very positive that it will come to an end soon enough. Just how it is going to happen, is the question. Is it going to be just an vanishing act, that one day it’s like GPP never existed. Or, are we going to hear some BS excuses how the couldn’t fill the 100000 people target. Or, is it going to be some BS in the tone of extan, banks/big corporations/goverments/FBI/CIA/KGB or whoever, conspired
against honest company like GPP, who is only trying to make peoples dream come true. Luckily “stella” was left with at least some money, that adminstrational fee of 30€ x ~100000 participants. So even though when GPP goes belly up and doesn’t pay out, there’s few million euros left for GPPs “hard work”. Not bad for few years work of just sitting by computer. I’d like that too, but I’m just too honest to do it…
Comment by Rokka — 16th April 2008 @ 5:39 am
Have found a more interesting website, very positive, just had a look at these posts, my oh my, you poor guys, but please enjoy your time. Might soon emigrate to manage a huge job together with my family, obviously on this sick blog it will be branded a lie, remember I can fly, maybe good for you? Suck your thumbs or whatever tastes like sugar!
GOOD BYE
Comment by EXTAN — 16th April 2008 @ 12:30 pm
And now the good news from TeamThemco:
GPP – Fill your Boots and support the ‘FSCF’ Initiative.
Please see Stella’s post of today if you are still in the market for more Additional Policies you should take advantage of this latest opportunity.
The sooner we can buy all the Additional Policies the sooner the programme can be closed, it would now appear. Yet another change of policy of course, but remember it is their bat and ball and they make the rules. Rules that will only be changed for a good reason and no doubt caused in this case by the need to acquire a banking licence to address the banking solution.
A donation of €20/£15/$40 US will now contribute €114,000.00 to the ‘FSCF’ Initiative and blast the fund through the €15 Million mark and propel us towards the €20 and €25 Million targets.
Just stop for a minute and consider the incentive that this gives Stella to bring the GPP programme to a successful conclusion!!!.
Time to hit the Piggy Banks.
Comment by Owen Platt — 16th April 2008 @ 1:23 pm
“Friends of Stella’s Charity Fund”
What a load of…
“The sooner we can buy all the Additional Policies the sooner the programme can be closed, it would now appear”
Goalposts being moved again.
Stunning to think that some people still believe they will ever see any money from this dodgy scheme.
Comment by Ben — 16th April 2008 @ 1:39 pm
re the latest on the forum …..they have lowered the price of additional polices so that hey may be sold and get it all wrapped up .. i am sure that i read somewhere along the line when the additional polices were offered that tis would not interfere with the payout time scale of the origonal investors … sighs yet another sign … so very sad that it has all been a scam
Comment by bridget — 16th April 2008 @ 3:22 pm
I think it is only fair that the Finn’s put back their links to GPP and get these additional policies bought up so they can close this program. Where’s their loyalty?
For those of you who weren’t sure if this was a scam or not, this latest update from Stella should have removed all doubt it is a scam. If this doesn’t do it for you, nothing will.
Comment by EagleOne — 16th April 2008 @ 5:26 pm
GOOD BYE to you too,extan.
So good for you and your family that you managed to find another scam to run. You shall be missed, what is this sad blog going to be without your empty fact-free selfappraising obscure comments and your conspiracy theories.
Have fun and you can also suck — —-(fill in the blanks as you please)
Now that the final stage of the GPP scam has started (selling extra policies), scammers like extan are starting to dissappear. Unfortunately there are many more left…
Comment by Rokka — 16th April 2008 @ 8:33 pm
It’s becoming blatantly obvious that we are going through the final dying gasps of GPP. Whoever is running the Global Pension Plan is fully aware that there are still people out there so blinded by greed that they will send yet more money to buy the additional policies. I guess they want to just round it off with one final push for money.
Over the next few weeks I imagine we’ll probably see the website disappear and then a load of questions:
“How can I find out who has my money from Global Pension Plan?”
“I’ve been scammed by Stella – how can I find out who she is and where she is?”
“Can I do a chargeback with eGold?”
And so on.
Also, everybody that promoted this will slowly realise that the commission payments are never coming and that they have helped to draw more victims into the scam – probably including family members and friends.
Very sad.
Comment by Ben — 16th April 2008 @ 8:45 pm
Always more suckers who will have to learn the hard way. If at all.
I’ll sell nonexistent policies for half of what GPP’s charging. Special deal just for you guys. ; ) lol
Comment by JH — 16th April 2008 @ 9:34 pm
It just cracks me up that these members are still concerned about Stella’s “Not posting publicly” rules, yet puts up with Stella changing any rules, policies, or promises previously made on GPP’s behalf.
What happened to closing on April 1st, and collecting members payout data?
Whoops. Stella doesn’t know that it was only April Fool’s Day,..not April Fool’s Month!
Comment by zzippy — 16th April 2008 @ 11:17 pm
We can see that these extan clowns could no longer take it. Guess that they are preparing to break camp!
Ben,
You are so right. I’m sad that there will be others to get in on this game as it’s closing down. Yes, there will be many looking to get their money back, with exactly those exact questions. Unfortunately, Stella and Co. are on a beach in Africa somewhere enjoying a delicious drink.
Yes, it is unfortunate that many did not realize the fact that this money being sent was to a bank with a one direction transfer of funds. In other words, money goes in, and you can’t get it out! I’d think that the people in downlines would be more susceptable to this loss of funds,as they have no idea of where the money is going.
I truly can only hope that there will not be many more dollars coming in. I’m again angered that they would dupe people into buying a half price bogus contracts!
If only I could think of some way to prevent others from getting duped in these last days of this GPP scam. I truly hope that they get caught.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 17th April 2008 @ 1:35 am
A friend of mine is has e-mailed me to find out if I received a similar e-mail like she received regarding a new URL for GPP. She also mentioned that Stella informed her about sending $28.25 Liberty for a debit card and each one needs to buy 2 since the limit funding on the card is $30K. Any of the readers received an e-mail like this? Cos I did not!!!
She also mentioned that the new site is http://www.globalpp.biz
Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 3:29 am
Comment by Kitz:
“A friend of mine is has e-mailed me to find out if I received a similar e-mail like she received regarding a new URL for GPP. She also mentioned that Stella informed her about sending $28.25 Liberty for a debit card and each one needs to buy 2 since the limit funding on the card is $30K. Any of the readers received an e-mail like this? Cos I did not!!!”
If text above is true, then the final stage of this scam has begun. I, among other people here, predicted this long time ago.
In the end there will be another request for money, with some lame excuse and there you have it. So, now it’s 56,5$ that one has to sent, in order to get the money. Im’ betting that plenty of people realize it’s a scam and back away, but there will be idiots who will pay and that’s what “stella” is counting on.
Some news from Finland(suspected country of origin for GPP) also:
GPP is,at least in Finland, selling these extra policies on discount for 10€ each. This is done in order to speed the process along.
Also there has been a letter circulating among finnish members at least, that is critisising high ranking official in Finlands ministry of interior. Name of the official is not mentioned, but he is thought to be legislative counsellor in the ministry. This guy has been highly critical of this GPP scam and other scams here in Finland along the years. GPP is also threatening to sue this legal counsellor for labelling them criminals. According to memberletter this might lead to “big compensation claims” from GPP. I’ve heard the same thing in every other bigger scam, be it multilevel marketing or pyramid scheme or any other scam. This counsellor speaks up, claiming that scammers are breaking the law, scammers get offended and threaten to sue, and in the end scammers themselves end up in court to be sentenced. Hope it happens in the case of GPP too.
Comment by Rokka — 17th April 2008 @ 5:37 am
“GPP is also threatening to sue this legal counsellor for labelling them criminals. ”
Yeah, good luck. LOL In that case, they’d have to prove that they’re real. And a couthouse is the last place you’ll see any of those involved here (voluntarily anyway).
The .biz site is at the same hosting company as GPP – Staminus – which is one of the companies that BlockDOS uses to house its services. Doesn’t mean that they are necessarily the same though. Someone could have picked that on purpose.
Usually I’d say beware of logging-in using your id/password, but in this case you have nothing to lose anyway so… lol Definitely don’t send them any more money even if it is the same group.
Whois is anonymous, but here is:
Whois Record for Globalpp.biz ( Global pp ) Click to Edit Front Page Information
Website Title: Global Pension Plan
Title Relevancy 100%
Meta Description: Global Pension Plan description
Description Relevancy: 75% relevant.
AboutUs: Wiki article on Globalpp.biz
SEO Score: 74%
Terms: 57 (Unique: 42, Linked: 37)
Images: 6 (Alt tags missing: 6)
Links: 20 (Internal: 17, Outbound: 0)
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Comment by JH — 17th April 2008 @ 6:38 am
I asked my friend to forward me the email. It’s not even $26.25 as prior stated. Just read below!! Wow, they are getting to be soo greedy. If they are real, they’ll just deduct the delivery off our money!!!
Let’s find them!! And let’s warn everyone!
THE MOST IMPORTANT NEWS IS THAT WE HAVE ALREADY AGREED WITH TRUST PARTNERS AND ONE LARGE BANK ABOUT THE ADVANTAGEOUS DECISION!!!
At last we have received long-awaited banking licence !
If you have not sent the Agreements and the ID copies yet, it is time to send it now and also to pay postal services.
Please send documents in JPG format to global.members.support@googlemail.com
Include your login in e-mail subject.
Documents for cards issue:
– passport
– driver’s license
– birth certificate
– government issues photo ID card
The bank will start issue the cards when we receive:
– payment for Postal Delivery to our LibertyReserve account U6147814 in amount 28.25 USD per package
(incude your login name in memo !)
– electronic copy of documents
Please note for security reasons we do not mail more than 2 (two) cards in one package.
Each card has the nominal 30000 euros. With 2000 euros withdrawal limit per day.
Thus, if the ammount of payments for your account is 110000 euros, it is necessary for you to order 2 packages with 2 cards in each one.
In order to avoid delays we recommend to order all packages at once.
Card issue will take up to 14-21 banking days. Then your cards will be mailed to you.
PIN-code for the cards will be sent by us for security reasons in separate mail.
After long negotiations with ours trust partners we have decided not to close the registration till May 15th .
Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 6:50 am
For anyone in GPP, I would be very suspicious of this E-mail. It has scammer written all over it, but not GPP this time. If this were true, Stella would have updated the forum with this news, and she hasn’t. This is one time I would really wait to hear from Stella before doing anything. Just my 2 cents worth.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th April 2008 @ 7:49 am
LOL! What a joke this is.
I thought that the 30 Euro fee to join the program was for the “banking solution” that included a debit card? That was what “Stella” had said at least.
So basically they want another $56.50 from 100,000 people = $5.65 million. (And why do they show it in USD? lol)
And the most glaring error… They seem to have forgotten that nobody has signed and sent in that lame “agreement” they hacked together yet.
Dummies. lol
Comment by JH — 17th April 2008 @ 8:05 am
EagleOne – I’d agree but that is the e-mail address that they’ve used. I suppose soneone might have grabbed it somehow but seems strange that they’d have access to member’s e-mail addresses and also to GPP’s e-mail account.
In any case, I hope nobody actually sends any more money to these clowns no matter who it is.
Comment by JH — 17th April 2008 @ 8:11 am
Ahhh… OK, I see now…
The Liberty Reserve number is different. At least versus the old one that’s behind the sign-up on their site. It’s U9270694 on the site versus U6147814 in the e-mail.
So they don’t really care what you send to the e-mail address. They just want you so send the money to some other LR account.
Looks like a scam on top of a scam.
Comment by JH — 17th April 2008 @ 8:34 am
The following message I found in official GPP Russian forum (translated) – This is also mentioned in GPP Swedish forum:
QUOTE
This morning, many received a letter purportedly from GPP!
This is a deception!
Never enter your password!
These are con artists!
SITE NAME: http://www.globalpp.biz
IF you have already entered, it is suggested to urgently change your passwords here!
Thanks,
cometa
UNQUOTE
Comment by snartmor — 17th April 2008 @ 9:05 am
And they say, “there’s no honor amongst thieves”. This is getting very funny from now on. well, at least this latest twist can be used to postpone the payout day by GPP.
I can just imagine what “stella” is going to announce: “Our computers were hacked by scammer, and they sent out this false request for money. Do not send any money to these con-artists, we are trying to solve the problem but it might take some time. We’ll provide info as to where you can send your money later. Don’t forget to buy extra policies while waiting.”
There can not be any clearer signs that GPP is scam, and anybody with half a brain should realize it by now…
Comment by Rokka — 17th April 2008 @ 11:09 am
This is getting to be real funny. I didn’t post the whole e-mail that got forwarded to me, but this e-mail that came from gpp.biz claims that the bargain 10 euros per policy which was posted on gpp.net was from someone who hacked into the system.
So, which one to believe? The 10 euro per policy or to send $28.25 per card to get the money??
Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 11:49 am
Here, copied this from GPP.net
Dear Members,
Because of the slow demand for the Additional Policies, the Trust Partner has decided to lower the registration fee to 10EUR per policy. They’d like to get them all out of their hands before the approximate closure of the program.
If you fancy having more policies, please make the purchase via C-Gold.
We are in great hurry closing the program as soon as possible, because of we are facing a lot of resistance from different directions. I will update you soon.
Regards,
Stella
Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 11:54 am
This is from GPP.biz (I logged in here to see what’s the difference and all they have on the forum area is the BIG NEWS about banking, nothing else)
Dear Members,
As you have noticed already, our site at http://www.globalpp.net has been inaccessible recently for a couple of days.
The matter is that our domain address was compromised by a group of people.
(we have found out who they actually are and have already submitted a petition!!!).
They got short-term access to the server using our forum, but it’s already under our control.
Therefore the forum is replaced with section of the menu “News”.
They also complained to the domain registrar that we are spamming.
So, we have no control over the old domain anymore.
We have NOT posted any news about reducing the price of additional policies !
Do NOT register and do NOT buy additional policies on the old site !
Comment by Kitz — 17th April 2008 @ 11:58 am
Kitz,
Thanks for posting those notices.
I think we can all see now that this is simply a very, very dubious attempt to squeeze some extra cash from the more gullible members of GPP.
“Trust Partner”? What a crock of s***
Comment by Ben — 17th April 2008 @ 11:59 am
Scam over Scam… What a sad commentary. These clowns are trying to get all that they can out of this dying scam. Now at this point who would believe anything that is said?
“Stella” sounds like she needs some money to buy her ticket out of there! Got to have money to do that…
Stella(s) you scammed us all. We will find you however… We are not without intelligence ourselves…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 17th April 2008 @ 6:06 pm
Kitz,
This is just outrageous! They are just too very much unethical! I hope that no one falls for this! I hope not!!
I would hope that claimants would say, “tell you what, subtract this fee from my 50K dollars”.
SCAM SCAM SCAM!!!
No more money to them, for ANYTHING!!! If they would need additional money, they could surely take this $30 from these thousands that we were supposed to get!
SEND NO MORE MONEY!!! Can somone post this in other posts… At least tell them to not send further monies to stop getting scammed!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th April 2008 @ 1:13 am
I have a bad feeling that it ends here!!! Stella and the Team will now slowly disappear, leaving us members speculating who compromised the website,which one is the genuine one, meanwhile enjoying additional payments from gullible members who are either buying cheap policies or who forgot that debit cards were supposed to have come with the paid memberships. What a way to exit!!
I think we can actually report the accounts to Liberty Reserve and which ever e-currency they used and get them investigated as well!!!
Comment by Kitz — 18th April 2008 @ 2:02 am
What confuses and concerns me is the “bogus” email I received about the hacking…..they knew my first and last name. And yet, Stella on the GPP forum says the email with final instructions is bogus. How did the bogus people know my name??
Comment by Magoo — 18th April 2008 @ 2:16 am
This seems to say to me that GPP are the bogus people. They may have just messed up with what they wanted to say/do to get our money. As the saying goes, lies will come back on you an bite you in the butt.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th April 2008 @ 3:20 am
I am finding all of this a bit strange. Just too many things not adding up here. For GPP to have claimed they were “Professionals” and had a “Professional” IT Partner, etc., they sure haven’t proven it. Now either their system was hacked, which means it was not a secure site, or they have a saboteur in their midst to have obtained the database of members. Yet, Stella is supposed to be the only admin person in this deal. So was there a saboteur or was the website hacked?
You have the extan’s exiting just as this bogus E-mail hit. Now this may be a coincidence or not, you had extan’s bragging the “family” was starting a new business venture, or so he claimed; but the timing is incredibly suspicious. Might be an explanation as to why he was so sure GPP would pay out. I am not accusing, just postulating.
Then we have Stella who has supposedly made an update on the forum, but it does not appear. Only the reference from Neverland of what Stella was supposed to have posted on the forum.
Don’t you think if you were the admin and the Trust, you would have been all over this immediately, and not sitting on their hands? This excuse we don’t do massive mailings falls flat when you have this kind of disruption in your program. It would have been the very first thing I would have done if I had been in Stella’s shoes. Now she is either dumber than a box of rocks, has no clue of how to perform customer service, or this is all part of the exit strategy for GPP.
Think about it. GPP issues this new E-mail to get the members to respond, and then says it is bogus. They now can come and say becaue the membership responded to this “bogus” E-mail, they have compromised the program, and the Trust cannot complete the program. They keep the admin money, they get all the money from this “bogus” site, and they can shut down and blame the membership for the demise of the program. Real professional scammers. And all before the authorities start declaring this is a scam. I hope the authorities know just who GPP players really are, and can arrest them.
There was a rumor on another forum that the Candadian authorities had arrested a big player in GPP, and found a considerable amount of money locally, and a lot more offshore. THIS HAS NOT BEEN CONFIRMED, and my only reason in mentioning it is, if true, might be shedding some light on all of these bizzare happenings of the last 24 hours. Hopefully we will be able to confirm if this happened or not shortly.
But I really do think we are seeing the end of GPP, and it is playing out right before our eyes. The question is will we see it?
Comment by EagleOne — 18th April 2008 @ 3:28 am
true
if they emails are “bogus” how do they know our first and last name???
Comment by Magoo — 18th April 2008 @ 4:22 am
Looks like someone grabbed their database at a point some time back so they have all of the information that’s in your back office. That’s how they have your names, etc. Not hard to do if the database isn’t secured properly. This latest and past security problems should make you feel very confident in sending in your ID to these clowns. ; )
Comment by JH — 18th April 2008 @ 5:38 am
Eagle,
I must say your latest post says it all. I think all things are starting to add up finally. I said in my last post that this how it’s going to go down. I have no doubts about “stella and co” being professionals, not just in insurances, but in scamming people.
All this about hacked email accounts, bogus emails, extra policies being sold, and additional requests for money.
One option is, that “stella and co” decided that they got enough money out of this and withdrew. They probably sold GPP database, with all email accounts and names, to some other scammer who was willing to take the risk. Even after the investigations had started.
These scammers have done a good job keeping participants of GPP guessing what’s going on. I think the end is near,question is does it come to sudden end, or just fade away when people stop sending money.
What you said about extans exit is also true, timing couldn’t have been better, for him. Extan is most likely part of this scam, otherwise he would have stayed here to share his empty comments with no informational value. Extan knew exactly when shit is going to hit the fan, and moved on to another scam. But, I do miss his bizarre conspiracy theories…
Comment by Rokka — 18th April 2008 @ 5:43 am
Magoo,
The site, GPP.biz is EXACTLY a replica of the GPP.net site, except for the forum part where there’s only one big announcement about how to get the debit card to finally be paid!!!
Again, which one is real, you decide! One is selling policies at a bargain price of 10 euro (and this is NOT FAIR to me who paid 30, I should demand my rebate) or one is asking to pay your $28.25 for each debit card you order!!! Remember, the membership you bought initially should have included the debit portion!
It just means, GPP is running out of excuses and are ready to bolt out, so they are trying to amass whatever amount they can get before they disappear! Please do NOT send anymore money!
Comment by Kitz — 18th April 2008 @ 5:49 am
to Kitz, quoting you
:”Again, which one is real, you decide! One is selling policies at a bargain price of 10 euro (and this is NOT FAIR to me who paid 30, I should demand my rebate)”
That’s the thing with discounts, Imagine buying, for example, a sweater for 30€ and some months later somebody else buys it in big discount sale for 10€.
It is fair, you just happened to buy for the original price, while the other one waited for to price to lower and bought then.
Of course, now you paid 30€ and didn’t even reveice anything in exchange, and neither did that other person who paid 10€.
That, I think, is not fair. It’s called a scam.
Comment by Rokka — 18th April 2008 @ 7:28 am
Quite easy, we simply changed our passwords, it is because of people on this sick blog that people start to do funny things! On the GPP homepage it is clearly stated that the initial fee includes the issue of the debit card.
Bye again!
Comment by EXTAN — 18th April 2008 @ 8:03 am
Hello, extan.
Couldn’t stay away,huh? How is the family scamming business getting along?
How about those countries that approved GPP as legitimate, which countries were those?
It’s quite sad that your only comment about the latest developments around GPP, is to blame it on this blog and on the people writing here. I think that exhange of thoughts in this blog has been very civil for most of the time. It’s really arrogant and uncivilised to call people here sick, just because they do not share the same opinion as you. My opinion is that GPP is a scam, and I base my opinion on the info that can be found on the internet (ie. newspapers, statements made by (finnish) authorities, police) just with little research.
Your opinion is that people should stay positive and wait because GPP will payout. Of course, you won’t provide any information on what you base your opinion on. I’m quite sure that you’re in on this scam or just very childish and simple person. Or, maybe you’re just a simple troll, and you want to get some attention here. Well, I won’t feed you anymore then, neither should anyone else for that matter.
Comment by Rokka — 18th April 2008 @ 9:40 am
During June I will probable send you a note from the north of this globe, Ben can trace me if this blog is still alive 🙂 hehe, will fly there from the south to probably manage a huge project. Have read some of the posts, also Ben’s…. hmmm, GPP will pay out unless the lunatics of this globe mess it up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike, get a life, not saying any more, you are a sad subject!!!!!!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 18th April 2008 @ 10:46 am
I am trying to remain positive, but so many things just do not add up and look very suspicious.
My recomendation is to not send any more money for anything. No debit card fee, no more policies, nothing, then we can see where this heads.
What makes me more suspicious is how badly this PR disaster has been handled. If something this disasterous ever happens to a mainstream company, the people involved would drop everything else and sort the problem out. What also is a little dubious is how we keep getting left in the dark about the problems.
As members, we should be privy to all info and other various happenings.
I think regardless of what happens, this whole story is comming to an end. Be it a good end (hopefull) or a bad end (probably the realistic way it will end)
Just my 2 cents worth
Comment by Jason — 18th April 2008 @ 11:51 am
1 ray of hope perhaps……We have always very promtly received our refunds if there was a problem with new sign ups. Why would they refund if it was all a scam?
Like I said trying to think positive 🙂
Comment by Jason — 18th April 2008 @ 11:59 am
Jason, good to be positive, just be careful on this blog they don’t like positive stuff even if your ideas make 100% sense. 1st the refunds get paid then the rest gets paid, the debit card will cost NOTHING, we have already paid!
Comment by EXTAN — 18th April 2008 @ 1:39 pm
Rokka,
If I am well informed that later, there will be a sale of the product that I wanted to buy, and yet I still bought it, then it is fair. But I didn’t know they will sell them cheaply or I could have waited. That’s what I meant when I said ‘it isn’t fair’.
As for Jason, sure, the refund is a marketing strategy. They fed on the goodness and trustworthiness of people. They knew that if they refunded money for so called failed sign-ups, readers will automatically assume they are honest, and will not be hesitant then to spend freely.
Some thoughts, though? If money was refunded for failed sign ups, then all the rest taken are eligible for the pay-out, and she can’t use the excuse of failing to meet the 100K membership quota as the reason why we won’t be paid.
Comment by Kitz — 18th April 2008 @ 1:40 pm
No need to ever send in your ID, when requested on the real GPP forum, probably soon, then just send your birth certificate, guess the hackers don’t want to be born again, they want to be shot onto the moon!
Comment by EXTAN — 18th April 2008 @ 1:57 pm
It seems that Globalpp.biz can no longer be brought up as a website…Apparantly this is the bogus site and .net is correct
This is not a pro or con for GPP in general just info….
Comment by Ron See — 18th April 2008 @ 7:26 pm
I am bugging out on everybody. Especially for those that fell for the phony website. Do any of the members ever go in on the GPP forum? I knew it was bogus because I go in everyday and I knew that the site had not been down. Not to mention, they told us a while back that they would not be sending mass emails. People only hear what they want to hear. As for those that are members and you are putting down GPP. Why even bother about being a member if you are not going to beleive? They are still there and to me if this was a scam,this would have been the perfect time for them to bail out. Not to mention if you believe that scammers refund money to build your trust. Send your money to the globalpp.biz and see if they will refund you if the sign up fails. What scammers have you ever heard of that refunds money. To me they could have kept all of the money a long time ago and then vanished…. If they are scammers at least they are nice scammers.LOL
Comment by Ms.K — 18th April 2008 @ 8:01 pm
Extans,
Yes, no need to send any more information… We have enough names, emails, and additional information to sell already huh? I tell you, I recall giving you the benefit of the doubt as to you being a scammer w/in GPP.
Jayson,
Are you saying that you know of someone who received a refund?
Everyone,
I wonder if this news .biz domain is just a new scammer trying to take off from where the others are running from? What I’m saying is that if this is the same site, you’d think that they could safely transfer info from one site to another. THEY THINK WE ARE STUPID/
Again a scam on top of another scam… Selling half price policies (on the other site)… Anything to get the remaining monies out there…
So, let’s see… Which one is the scammer? Hmmm, I know! BOTH OF THEM!!! I believe that the first is the original scammer , with the other picking up the crumbs. THEY THINK THAT WE ARE REALLY STUPID
What a sorry excuse to ask people to provide a new password. Got to set something up for the other segment of this scam huh?
People, even if this was not a scam, why would they at this point cheat people? If we are to be paid anytime soon, why would they provide you with a refund as opposed to the 50 thousand that you were promised.
So, the 50K is due to us now, but we can instead just take the $40. Hmmm. They must REALLY REALLY think that we are stupid!!!!
I’m insulted. Extans, so six months later, you have any idea when the funds should roll? Really now, do you think that it is ok to keep people to be waiting like this for 2 and a half years? You have really wronged people, esp those who have been here for so very long.
What else is going on anyone? Any steps closer to catching these scammers? Not to let them know what you know but if there are any possible additional leads?
These extans… I hope that you had your good laugh at this.. I hope that you and Stella & co also get caught.
Everyone,
Notice, Extans keep telling us that they want to leave because they aren’t men or women enough to provide a good answer to a pointed question… Got to the point to where they could not answer any of them, without continuing to say that this plan will pay out. I suppose that if it is too hot, then get out of the kitchen. Guess that they have nothing to worry about. They were never in the kitchen anyway….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th April 2008 @ 11:49 pm
The same liberty reserve account number appeared on both site, the .biz website and the .net website. how possible? this shows that it is a scam.
Comment by Gabriel — 19th April 2008 @ 10:09 am
So Jason is positive, thanks! But Mike immediately attacks him, so why is Ben not also jumping on him, Jason I support your stance, don’t worry about Mike he needs some serious help for his muddled head, poor guy! Wonder who has hacked the old GPP web around December, but judging from this well programmed blog, there could be many possibilities to try to make a scam look real?
Comment by EXTAN — 19th April 2008 @ 12:45 pm
First of all, why would they make refunds if it was a scam?
EASY! they refund the money for a failed signup because they know you will give it back to them anyway, and it makes gullible people say “it cannot be a scam because i had my refund”!!!
Also, if they didn’t make the refund then that would be illegal, taking the money and not providing the goods. But once the signup has gone through ok then that is a legal way to take your money. And all these months it has taken to make refunds, how many more policies have they sold? Mostly to the people who have had their refunds and thought what good honest people gpp must be!
EXTAN, if your birth certificate is not a form of id, what the HELL IS IT?!!!
Comment by Blade68 — 19th April 2008 @ 3:05 pm
Ms. K.,
The “CON” in “Confidence trick” comes from making initial payments to CONvince the suckers that the game is “honest”.
Look in any famous or even little scams and you’ll see the “payouts received” and “Great Admin!” posts, many of which were propagated by the scammers themselves.
Refunds are there to play on ppl’s suspicious minds. If Stella were honest, you would know some details, like a last name, or a geographical location (even a vague reference to a continent would be nice), or a contact method other than a common email (ie. gmail, googlemail, hotmail) address.
All you have is “stella” meeting a bunch of guys in Lichtenstein, forming an “Anstalt” (which cannot deals with anything of a financial nature), and her little jaunt around the world in search of a banking solution. No names, addresses, websites, verifiable info of any sort.
But they have their finger on several billion dollars?
When GPP first hit the internet, belief wasn’t hard to drum up (if you ignored the comment about ‘under the radar” and “prying eyes of the authorities”) but, in the light of the incessant delays, hackings, changing sites, loss of Trust Partners, lack of a bank, you can’t deride anyone for being less than positive about GPP.
Reality bites.
Comment by zippy — 19th April 2008 @ 5:40 pm
Extan,
You are right. I do need some help. I need some help in you telling us where the money is. Your words convey nothing.
Don’t even say that I’m attacking Jason. You’d like to have a way to discredit me woudn’t you. Credit yourself and let us know why you’ve established this bogus .biz account. Tell us why you are still accepting policies, tell us why we do not know anything about any of the GPP heads! For that matter where is GPP actually located?
Tell you what, since you know the deal w/ Stella and the rest, provide me with the information to get my “refund”, and I’ll leave you alone… You can keep the 50 Thousand. How’s that my $40.00 and you can have the $50K. I don’t know abot you, but I’d think that it would be a pretty good deal.
So pass me the information on how to get my cash, and guess what, I don’t want your SSN, birth certificate, passport or ANYTHING. Just show me a CHECK!
I know that you are going to read this. If not, everyone else will. I can’t wait for this sorry response. I can’t wait to see what you’ll say on that one…
Tell you what, turn around in your seat, and ask Stella about it.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th April 2008 @ 6:09 pm
When exactly is the pay out for Global Pension Plan it was meant to be in Dec n people are still wondering and kept been told to wait for another month and so on.
Just would like to know confirmed dates and not hopes.
Comment by Rangi — 20th April 2008 @ 3:02 am
Rangi,
Why don’t you write to Neverland (Stella will claim she’s too busy) and find out. If you get an answer, please post it here.
Please ask her also how is it possible to sell policies when the program is already closed.
Comment by Kitz — 20th April 2008 @ 1:22 pm
“When exactly is the pay out for Global Pension Plan it was meant to be in Dec n people are still wondering and kept been told to wait for another month and so on.
Just would like to know confirmed dates and not hopes.”
The pay out date for GPP is never. It’s an obvious scam.
Comment by JH — 20th April 2008 @ 5:40 pm
Can’t believe what I’m reading here, anyway GPP said that the birth certificate is ok, instead of the ID which may be abused, isn’t that nice from them, obviously you will find a negative version of this on this blog!!!!
Members are urged to change their profiles e-mail address (as well as the password), so the hackers cannot ask for the lost password!
Zippy, I do not have your surname or that of Mike, etc, or where you stay (don’t want it), but just think a bit about why that is, then you will maybe understand why GPP acts like they do. It’s not the ordinary shop around the corner with a few notes in their till, get the point???
So when will they pay out… some people have actually bought those lucrative 10 Euro additional “memberships”, funny business. Think things will be moving soon, but how will they handle 100k applications the way they are now handling the refunds (slow), mind boggling, hope the bank can hire temporary stuff to speed up the job and automatic machines to count the billions of money due to us 🙂
Smile, it’s my birthday today!
Comment by EXTAN — 21st April 2008 @ 8:28 am
Hi Extan,
happy birthday to you 🙂
Good bless and take care ….
Comment by snartmor — 21st April 2008 @ 9:35 am
Hello All,
GPP has not been on for a long time know. Can some one tell me what he/she knows about GPP.net because GPP.biz has not been on since. Which are we to follow, GPP.biz or GPP.net?
Comment by Gabriel — 21st April 2008 @ 6:11 pm
Extan,
Why don’t you do me a favor and tell me why GPP acts the way they do,as you stated. You say that it is not the average shop around the corner… Well, that my friend is something that I surely agree with. That shop is not around any corner! It’s virtual if anything. Give us a break, GPP acts the way they do to not be identified, by anyone.
These 10 Euro payouts… Yes this is one of the most telling reasons to show that this is a scam! Why would you provide a total equivalent payout to people who have been invested for only a short period of time, with the same payout, for less money? Hmmmm.. Makes you wonder huh? SCAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This nonsense about blaming a bank is just rediculous! If this was such a solid plan, there should not have been a delay at all!!!
This is Stealing everyone… Stealing our hard earned dollars! No matter how much or how little money involved, it is stealing! I’d liken this to being robbed on the street. your $40 is gone. On the other hand, if you were going to just buy a bag of air, you would at least know that you are buying that bag of air. We would not instead be getting hot air telling us of these great finanial gains to be had..
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 21st April 2008 @ 6:17 pm
“…anyway GPP said that the birth certificate is ok, instead of the ID which may be abused, isn’t that nice from them, obviously you will find a negative version of this on this blog!!!!”
The “negative” version as you call it, which more accurately is the real-world versus the fantasy version, is that a birth certificate alone does not satisfy Know Your Customer (KYC) requirements that now are imposed by virtually all banks, insurance companies, and other financial organizations WORLD WIDE.
Although the details may vary somewhat depending on country and type of account, the minimum requirementss to assure identification of customers does not. Generally the minimum requirements under KYC rules are some form official photo ID and proof of residence, neither of which a birth certificate satisfies. Birth certificates in many locales are considered public records which can be obtained by third parties from records agents upon request and payment of associated fees. They alone are not sufficient to meet KYC requirements (with some exceptions, for example, in the case of a minor when KYC requirements are met at the time by the parent).
Furthermore, under KYC requirements when specified ID cannot be presented in person, it must be provided in a CERTIFIED FORM. Acceptable certification is only from a third party who also is required to perform the same verification of the original documents.
So, if true, then this stands as further evidence that GPP’s story is fantasy and doesn’t stand up against any real-world examination. Not surprizing since the reality is that it’s really just a couple of guys with a half-@assed unsecured web site who have no clue regarding the details of what’s actual required to do what they allege to be doing.
Comment by JH — 21st April 2008 @ 6:45 pm
Gabriel: In regard to your question it is GPP.net. Actually it makes no difference because the outcome will still be the same.
EXTAN: Happy Birthday! Hope you have a great day and enjoy all the festivities celebrating it.
For the lack of finding a better word, I am going to use the Spanglish in regard to Stella’s postings. It is always fun to watch Stella change “her” writing style from Spanglish, to fairly good English back to Spanglish and then into something somewhere in between. One would think if Stella was one person, the style and grammar would not change from update to update. What is even more hilarious is when it changes from paragraph to paragraph in the same update. Guess it must be all that pressure of being the lone customer service rep for over 100,000 people, having to do all those refunds by her little ole lonesome self, and dealing with hackers.
Speaking of hackers. It has to just warm your heart if you are a member of GPP to know that these “PROFESSIONALS” (Stella assured everyone they were right from the get go) have allowed their website and database be compromised. Now that is “PROFESSIONAL.” ROFLOL! These clowns are lucky they can spell it. They are worse than the Keystone Cops. Come to think of it, Stella’s updates sound more like Abbott and Costello’s “Who’s on First” routine.
Just think, for only $40, you have had your personal information compromised, distributed all over the Internet, and all while under the watchful eyes of “PROFESSIONALS.” It makes you feel proud to be a member of GPP doesn’t it.
Comment by EagleOne — 21st April 2008 @ 6:51 pm
Happy Birthday, Extan!
Now, FIRST ,….It is the REAL website that is offering the $10 memberships,..not the fake one. The fake one wanted you to send the postage and ID. The real one is having a “Fire Sale” to make up the numbers until the “approximate closing in May”.
Second,..a birth certificate IS I.D. and yes, it can be used to compromise the rest of your ID. How do you think one replaces lost identification? There is an original registration number on that document. If it was not I.D., I would not be asked to produce it, on a regular basis.
Um, and as far as my having no last name,..Hellooo? Stella has ALL the money, and is the one making the promises,…NOT the members! Don’t you think it is incumbent upon the one holding members’ cash to be coughing up a last name, LIKE A REPUTABLE AND REAL BUSINESS?
Does your bank have people in it? Are you allowed to know their names? Is the bank required to tell you where your money is? Are they required to give you interest payments as long as they hold your money?
So, Extan, you’re right,..they aren’t “It’s not the ordinary shop around the corner with a few notes in their till,”, …they’re in never-“Neverland” , and they have all the money, NOT a little, but several million and grabbing more (if they can) with no names or addresses available, and no concept of business practice or accountability.
They have been refused by several countries and several banking institutions.
Yep, they sure aren’t the shop round the corner with a few bills in the till,..because I KNOW where that shop is, who is in it, and if they have bills of mine in their till, I have something to show for it. It’s called “fair trade”,. Get the point?
Comment by zippy — 21st April 2008 @ 8:45 pm
These clowns business sense is not too good huh? Did good a scamming though.
Let’s face it, there are no Billions! Ok… One thousand Million dollars. You think that these clowns can have the sense to handle this much money with a Gmail account!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Scam was good while it lasted. I’m insulted by the sale price on this contract, be it another scammer off of this scam or not! Taking advantage of people is the lowest.
Everyone,
Have any of you have provided your email account gotten much additional junk mail lately? I know that junk mail is junk mail, but if you set up an account specifically for this, have you noticed any all of a sudden appearing? Just wondering…. Could be that they did in fact sell this info for additional profits…
Extan,
Would you agree that something like this is a might low thing to do? I’m not accusing GPP of doing this (yet), but wouldn’t you agree that something like that is a pityfull thinkg for anyone to do?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd April 2008 @ 4:07 am
Hi everyone, my girlfriend gave me a new track suit, hope we can run ASAP to collect the GPP money 🙂 Too many questions to answer, have no answers, too busy attending to our future plans. Have a good day!
Comment by EXTAN — 22nd April 2008 @ 2:26 pm
My friend,
I’d suggest that you let your girlfriend take that suit back to the store. If you are buying that to run and get these monies, you may as well not have it. In other words, you’ll surely not have to do anything asap. So, if referrencing a payout that was supposed to occur six months ago, I would most definitely say that there is no reason to put on running shoes…
Anyone,
What’s happening on the site? Anything new?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd April 2008 @ 12:26 am
Mike: I would have to agree, especially if the suit was spandex. The mere visual image is frightening in and of itself. Too many people who wear it shouldn’t and those who should usually don’t. Now if Extan, EXTAN, extan, or extant was practicing for a marathon, then he might get some use out of the suit. Actually he would probably wear it out before GPP pays, which is now set for the 12th of never.
Kind of makes you wonder who GPP will try next in their hosting merry go round. You would think they would try to get one with secure servers, but you have to pay for those and they aren’t cheap. That would take away from the haul they have, and they are not going to give up that kind of cash for a scam. They could care less their database and forum was hacked. Another good excuse to delay the payout. Gotta love the way they keep having things help them delay the big payout date. Kind of makes you wonder if they “helped” their forum and database get hacked; like give them the key. ROFLOL!
Wonder what happened to that banking solution? One would have thought they would have given an update by now. Of course it would have been creative writing 101, but it still would have been nice to see Stella change her writing style 3 times in one update. Wouldn’t be Stella if it didn’t. LOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 23rd April 2008 @ 4:23 am
Nothing happens on the GPP site, Stella is attending to the 1000 remaining refunds, beats me how she wants to pay out the investments @ 100k+ members, will theoretically take until 3008?
Stella and Co. please tell us or do you have a secret plan to do it, like paying out the billions in cents? Counting all the time…, better to work for your money in a clever way like robbing a bank with my new suit, it is so dark they cannot see me, but have to hide my Caucasian head :-).
Comment by EXTAN — 23rd April 2008 @ 12:25 pm
Mike you are right, if the suit fits too tight, all those strange looks, maybe GPP will then pay out 🙂 .
Comment by EXTAN — 23rd April 2008 @ 1:51 pm
Breadforkids.org has nothing to do with GPP why do not you read their Official site before writing about?
plain and simple.
Comment by Anonymous — 23rd April 2008 @ 6:04 pm
EXTAN: What kind of running shoes do you wear? I want to know so I can buy stock in the company. I figure you will go through about 20 pairs of shoes before GPP even gets close to paying anyone anything. This way I can make a lot of money since I believe you aren’t the only ones wearing these shoes that are members of GPP. Figure if there are 10 or 20,000 of you, that should make the stock price rise over the next few years while waiting for GPP.
By the way, did you know that First Oceanic Bank, the one GPP used for the members to send in their application fee to is not authorized by FSA? Actually there are many countries that say that the bank is an unauthorized bank. Meaning it is not an approved banking institution, and probably nothing more than a money laundering bank.
Now if GPP is so legitimate, why did they use an unauthorized banking instiution to receive deposits of members fees?
Comment by EagleOne — 23rd April 2008 @ 9:22 pm
My friend had sent gpp her money a couple of years ago, they finally contacted her in Dec 07 to let her know about the soon coming payout, but they needed some info from her. She had me fax them her ID, and fill out some piece of paper asking her address and how she wanted the money, in her checking account or on a “card”. She had no checking account and wanted to know if I would give them my acct number. Um, hell no. But you can open your own!! I told her that I did a little research on the ineternet and that I dont think its a good idea to be part of these people, but she is having a hard time right now finacially and really needs help. So reluctantly she complied.
Since I have computer access, I am her middle man with her contact guy at gpp. He tells me to access the website twice a week for updates. Irrelevant updates that never give a payout date, or it changes. The payout was supposed to be in February. Still waiting. Problem with the card, etc. always an issue.
Today I told him that my computer has a new thing on it that limits where I can go on the net, and that I can no longer access gpp website, that he needs to contact my friend directly. I asked him to cut to the chase and not give me bullshit -put off for later excuses like the websites “updates”, that dont really update anything interesting. And he clearly got mad at me!! I thought it was funny, but I did notice the professionalism kinda left him, and he turned into a mad little boy. That gives me the impression that this whole thing isnt on the up and up. I dont care if I yell at you, you better handle things professionally!! ya know?
I hope for my friends sake that this illusive payout will happen, but Im thinkin it wont….
Comment by SHEEEESH — 23rd April 2008 @ 10:26 pm
EXTAN, am I sensing a little less optimistic tone in your writings?
I guess you’re starting to wake up from your dream world after all.
How about those those countries that approved GPP as legit, which were they? Now you’ve had some time to come up with an answer, so it shouldn’t be a problem.
Any answer to Eagles question about the first oceanic bank?
Comment by Rokka — 23rd April 2008 @ 11:07 pm
Will be away from my work for about 2 weeks, Uni’s holiday, just found a way to make my work much easier, printed circuit board production, easy to make it in a fraction of time, no more scanning, so what do we have our rotten brains for? Bragging again? So we can dream more about GPP!
Also going for an operation tomorrow to fix me up a little and then staying at home until I’m out of pain, health is rather important! No idea about Oceanic bank, oh yes and blade68 please calm down 🙂 have enough to contend with at the moment.
Comment by EXTAN — 24th April 2008 @ 3:07 pm
Anyone, any thoughts on my story (number 842)? Is this a common occurance?
The more research I do, the more I realize that this gpp thing is a bad situation. So many scams come out of Arica, its mind blowing. It seems there is so much money floating around down there, yet there are homeless children living in the streets, and no medicines for the ill. what the eff are people doing down there?? Nothing good apparantly.
Whats the real poop on these people?? Im concerned about my friend, she is telling me that a credit card collector has been calling her house, she doesnt deal well with these situations, especially since she doesnt have a credit card!! coincidence?
Please shed light, give advice….
thanks in advance.
Comment by SHEEEESH — 24th April 2008 @ 4:39 pm
Extan
Calm down about what?
Comment by Blade68 — 24th April 2008 @ 4:59 pm
Actually one of my favorite stories of GPP was when they had you sending money to the 3 Latvian ladies, but it had to be under a specific amount or you would attract the attention of the “authorities;” thus why they listed the 3. So you have them using a unauthorized banking institution for you to send your applciation fee, you have the dynamic trio from Latvia for all those additional policies you bought, but none of this raised any red flags to you as possibly being suspect and a scam. You cannot have anyone who is with Law Enforcement joining, and they must stay below the radar of all those government “authorities;” you know those evil “authorities” that don’t want a “legitimate” program like GPP succeeding. ROFLOL!
In regard to your question, SHEEEESH, the story you told could be repeated thousands of times. That is what is so tragic about all this. So many people had no clue what they were getting involved in, but the lure of big money with no effort was too big of a temptation to resist. That is what the people behind GPP was counting on. I do feel for your friend, but she also has to take responsibiity for her own actions. It is nice you could help her, but the quicker she accepts she has lost her money, the quicker she will recover. When it comes right down to it there are no professionals, in the ordinary meaning of the word, in GPP that are behind it or promoting it. But they are professional scammers.
We keep saying GPP, because that is all we can tie this too. It is not GPP, because GPP does not exist as an entity. It is just the name of the “product” the “Trust,” which has no name, is selling to the masses. For the “Trust” to do this, they have to be licensed in every jurisdiction where they are offering this product for sale. So, you have an entity, the “Trust,” that has to be licensed, but you cannot confirm if it is or not because you don’t have a name to check with the authorities to see if they really do exist and are properly licensed. Yep, sure sounds like a legitimate operation to me. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 24th April 2008 @ 7:42 pm
Thanks Eagle One! Ya, I sat her down the other day after I got that unprofessional response.(complete with most of the words mispelled like a kid wrote them, and huge letters like he was yelling at me, and then his closing instead of sincerely, or regards or something, he wrote Peace Out! Hillarious- whatta scum bag.) I would think that if he represented a legitamate multi million dollar company that he would have some professionalism and common sense about him. But since this is not a legit company they can hire any freak off the street. And her contact guy is in the process of leaving the country (probably to start this up somwhere else!) I felt like he was doing business out of a back alley somewhere with that shitteous response.
She wasnt thrilled, but at least she lost less than $100.00. Her uncle on the other hand lost more. Live and learn I guess.
I had considered it for about 2 minutes, it does sound awfully nice, I give you $63.00 and you give me $80,000.00! But then reality hit me, and I said, ya, I’ll pass. Im good with my decision. If I miss out then oh well, but I really have that screaming gut feeling that I made the correct choice. bummer though!! It sure would have been nice….
Thanks again.
It makes me so angry though, these horrible failures at being human beings praying on the desperate. Shame I say!
Comment by SHEEEESH — 24th April 2008 @ 11:13 pm
EXTAN,
I have got to say, that you are one of the most busy people that I have heard of. Mountain climbing, biking, trips a day or two after surgery… You’ll have to tell us of your storie…. Nevermind… Have a good one.
SHEEEESH,
That is truly a terrible thing you’ve told us all. Surely a reason NOT to send ANY information to these scammers. I tell you, I can’t believe that they would have the nerve to ask you for your account number! Good thing that you didn’t. That cash in that account would have been gone the next day!
I must say, I am somewhat impressed that you were even able to talk with anyone at all! Must have been in the beginning stages of the scam. At this point, you probably couldn’t talk with anyone even if you PAID THEM!
In referrence to your post 842, I’m pretty sure that this was an underlying segment to this scam. Humph… I’m not supprised at all about the credit card issue. I have been victim to identity thieft. Luckily it was/is not an issue of a credit card/account being opened under my name. Nonetheless, your friend must get her credit report!!! That is truly a must! It is unfortunate, but I think that she may have to pay a fee to the credit agencies to review her credit, contacting her if any account is being opened under her name. Again, this is an issue that must immediately be addressed. This leaves a gaping hole allowing for further ID thieft!
Eagle,
I have got to say that once again I agree with what you said… Interesting amd informative. Everyone, you shouldtake a look at that post.
Yes SHEEEESH, good for you in not falling prey to this scam. Indeed, this scam does play on our hopes to obtain monies to pay debts, vacation, etc… It is unfortunate that these dreams come at a cost. This cost being the continual hopes that this will provide us with anything! This is terrible to prey on others as such. It angers me too.
People, at this point, I would not believe a word being said by these clowns. For example, when was the last time that you heard from this stella. She still busy working on refunds? That is a pile! If this is supposed to pay out in the next couple of days, WHO WOULD WANT A REFUND!?!? SCAM, SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!!!!!!!!! GPPer’s must really think that we are stupid! I really feel for those who have invested large moneies. This yet again angers me, thinking of my fellow man getting ripped of by these elusive scammers.
Eagle,
one more thing… Your statement about these “trust” companies was well pointed out. It’s not just GPP who are scamming, but many more of these same types of scams out there! What amused me was the SCAM on top of a SCAM! This Stella childrens fund really took the cake!!! To play on the needs of children, and running off w/ the cash is just slimey. I would think that most would agree that this is a sad thing to do. Even one or two of the extans, I’m sure would agree with that! The Stellas are really a sorry bunch…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th April 2008 @ 3:21 am
As a public service, I have written to every insurance company in the world letting them know that they don’t need all those people in their customer service departments, pension departments, processing departments because they only need one person to handle all of it. I gave them Stella’s E-mail address so they could find out from her how she does it, and then they can replicate it. Just think how much of an impact this will have on their bottom line.
I was not greedy, as I only asked for 2% of their annual savings every year. I think that was fair considering how much money I have saved them.
Actually I wish I had EXTAN, Extan, extan, and extant contact information because I am sure I could get them all jobs with the companies as their lone representative. Of course I would expect a finder’s fee from all the variations of extan’s, but I am not greedy. I would only want a one-time fee of 10% of their annual earnings. Besides, when GPP pays out, they will have plenty of money to make up the difference for my fee.
Now aren’t all of you sorry you didn’t think of this brilliant idea? Eat your hearts out! ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 25th April 2008 @ 4:12 am
http://www.nobsinvest.com/global-pension-plan-up-next-for-investigation-probably/
Comment by koychi — 25th April 2008 @ 7:46 am
Thanks for the responses. I agree, that Stella is AMAZING!! I think the word Stella is Angola for “I got your money Beyatch!”.
I shouldnt make fun, watch the payout will come…
So hypathetically,(I was over thinking this), they offer for you to get the cash in your checking account or on the Business Solutions Card. If it goes into checking you will need to pay taxes and show proof of what the money is for- which as it was explained to me they send you paper work showing its an early termination of a life insurance policy. And would the IRS just look at that paper and say, OH, ok, and leave it that? I would think they would dig alot deeper, right? But on the other hand, on the card, you wont have to pay taxes, but you can only take out 2-5 hundred dollars at a time as to not attract attention. Thats alot of cards to produce that have that kind of cash on it, how would that work? I would think that either way the IRS will catch wind somehow and you will get audited or eventually taxed on the card, and the bottom line is that at some point in time you will get caught and get into trouble.
Oh well, Ive thought way too much about this, I guess it just amazes me how big some peoples balls are! lol
Is Extan really a true believer? (or does he work for them secretly?) I can copy and paste my email for him if he is…. shady business.
So to that I say, I make my money the legal and way and sleep better for it at night. No worries mate.
You-all have a great day where ever you are. Just glad things are warming up here in the Chi. :)~
Comment by SHEEEESH — 25th April 2008 @ 5:22 pm
Sheeeesh: Actually using your own bank account is no longer an option. Stella announced that everyone would have to use their banking solution to get paid. The question is just how much are they going to charge you for the privilege of getting this banking solution. Now the $30-$40 application fee was initially stated was the charge for your banking solution. A little fuzzy now if this will still hold. I guess it depends on how much more money they think they can fleece before disappearing. With all the people buying all those additional policies, I would not be surprised if they tried it, and people actually paid it. If they haven’t figured it out by now this is a scam, nothing will convince them. Therein lies the tragedy in all of this.
Personally I do not see how they can even try to say they have a banking solution. If they come up with one, it will be a bank no-one has heard of before, and will either be an online bank, or in an offshore haven. Either way it will be a sham. Expect to hear that because of all the heat that has been turned up on GPP, their banking solution collapsed. It will be all the members fault this happened, and thus the Trust cannot go ahead as planned. They get to keep all the money, but it was all the members fault it failed. Don’t you just love it. ROFLOL! And by the way, it is just a matter of weeeks before this happens. They will either disappear with no explanation, or the one given. This was, is and always has been a scam.
People keep saying if it was a scam why didn’t they run before this? Simple, would you pull up shop if people were still sending you money? Of course not. You would milk this for as long as you thought you could get away with it.
How many different money exchangers have they used? Now if they have this insurance company and lending institution that are owned by the same company, why not use their bank for the members to send their money? You don’t use money exchangers because they are convenient and cheap. You use them to avoid (or at least try) attention from the authorities. They know once the authorities catch on they are toast. Why do you think they stated if you are a member of law enforcement you cannot be a member, and they must stay below the radar of the authorities? Those two issues alone should have been big red flags yelling scam. Interesting how greed clouds one’s common sense. The mere idea that someone will give you $55,000 if you give them $30-$40 boggles the mind.
Comment by EagleOne — 25th April 2008 @ 6:51 pm
God I wish I had no moral compass so that I can kick back on the beach somewhere tropical, with my toes wiggling in the sand, a fruity drink in my hand collecting money from thousands of people instead of going to the doctor for a stress test to see why I have chest pains at such an early age! lol
C’est la vie ( did I spell that right? I got kicked out of french class in high school) ha
Comment by SHEEEESH — 25th April 2008 @ 7:26 pm
Ya know, I gotta say that when I talked to my friend about how I felt about this venture, she admitted to me that she felt deep downt that it wasnt going to turn out well for her. But she did it anyway.
I have to associate that with this priest from Mexico (I think) who had attached himself to 100 helium balloons and wanted to “float” to the next town. Im sure somewhere in his gut something told him that this may not be the best way to raise money for your charity….but he did it anyway.
Some lessons in life are a bit harder than others. Thank your _______(insert what every you believe in) that all you lost was money. You can make more of that, but that Priest on the other hand. Well, Im sure he’d tell you that if they ever locate him. ( Im possibly going to hell for that arent I?)
Comment by SHEEEESH — 25th April 2008 @ 8:00 pm
Here’s something to think about. What has been one of the most mind-blowing aspects of this whole scam is this notion that one insurance company and one lending institution are handling all these policies. Stop and think that in order for one insurance company to pull of this feat, they would have to issue more policies in one month than the top 25 life insurance companies in the world combined issued in one year. The lending institution will make loans,and need a capitalized base greater than the top 3 banks in the world. In essence, this unknown insurance company will become in one month the largest insurance company in the world; and the unknown lending institution will become the number 1 financial institution in the world. Yep, sure sounds legitimate to me. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 25th April 2008 @ 8:59 pm
Eagle,
Yes, it is a shame that more investigation was not reviewed beforehand on such a scam. After all, which financial entity would bankrupt themselves by paying money RIGHT now($40), only to give this large sum back after a suppsed year or so!!!!!
The point you are making is so very valid! How can some sham bank, being run insomeone house, or internet cafe roll the dollars needed to finance such a scheme? ANSWER: It can’t!!!
People,
Now if a real bank would laugh you out of a building if you were to try to do that, why would ANYONE think that this would work!!!! This right here would tell you if this was a scam!!!!
THIS IS THE TEST: Go to your bank andtell them that you want to open a pension fund and do as GPP is supposedly doing. If you don’t want to get your feelings hurt, you shouldn’t ask this when the bank is crowded. Too many people might laugh…
GPP,
Yes, you have had your day… If I wasn’t banned from the other GPP run blogs, I’d have even more to say about this sham.
My Friends;
As mentioned before, these same scams are EVERYWHERE!!!!!!! I just did another google on GPP. I came accross:
EasyPassiveInvesting.com
This is almost identical to this very same scam! You really need to read that for a good laugh! Ha! They do talk a good game… Oh yea, let’s not forget the fact that they are saying that this will change everyones lives! Yes, change it if you call changing the amount of money, negatively, in your pocket!!!!!!!!!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 26th April 2008 @ 5:32 pm
Hey everyone!
GPP is really sad..first Ben Seigler was supposed to be honest,then he’s a fraud and so is everything else about this company..I wish I had never gotten involved..may god punish them for all the hearts they’ve hurt and maybe dreams they’ve destroyed..but I guess we were all just fools..I hope they pay..Has anyone here ever seen a picture of Ben Seigler?
Comment by discouraged — 27th April 2008 @ 10:55 am
well folks it’s getting pretty boring on here now time to move on and realise we’ve all been duped by the GPP but as anybody checked out the real possibilities on these sort of “pensions” why not check out some on offer at the heather wolf network
[Addition by Ben: Quite honestly, I wouldn’t advise that anyone believe anything written on the “Heather Wolf Network” blog. Looks like the same rubbish as GPP… Mark, you’ve been duped twice buddy]
i’ve recently purchased and i feel more confident over there than at the gpp.
Comment by mark — 27th April 2008 @ 6:48 pm
There are no “real possibilities” with these bogus reverse pension deals. They’re all frauds. Period.
Comment by JH — 28th April 2008 @ 3:39 am
Mark,
Hopefully you are kidding about thinking of putting more money into a RPP. Quite seriously I simply think that it too incredulois to think that someone is… Well really, quite that dense. I really do not mean to sound mean, but seriously… HAVE YOU EVER HEARD OF ANY OF THESE PAYING OUT!?! No, no you haven’t.
The introduction of another scam to this blog almost seems like that you are advertising another scam.
If you are not another promoter or Stella her or himself, where did you hear of this scam?
Let’s all be real. That is a scam. As Ben said, if you are truly an investor in that scam, well then you have already lost.
Let me look out for you… Don’t waste your dreams on a scam. Don’t invest in RPP’s, and don’t give criminals your money. Quite seriously, I am looking out for you. Please do not do that…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th April 2008 @ 5:04 am
seems ben is blocking extan????
[Addition by Ben: Nope, but you are probably using a banned word in one of your replies so it is being deleted automatically. Send me an email (ben@bizoppsblog.com) with the content and I will post it for you, removing whichever word it is that is causing the problem]
Comment by EXTAN — 28th April 2008 @ 12:44 pm
GPP’s forum is back on track, hope we’ll soon hear how far Stella has progressed with the last 1000 refunds as well as their next plan of action. Amazing restful situation!!! But we are closing up on the next million Euros :-). No personal connection to GPP!!
have a good day
Comment by EXTAN — 28th April 2008 @ 12:46 pm
EXTAN,
Are you talking about extan or yourself?
You know of a blog that is not owned by GPP that does not block posts? This is the most fair one that I have found Anywhere!
Nonetheless, WHY WILL GPP pay out soon? One very simple question….
How do you know that it will pay out!?!?!?! What did Stella tell you?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th April 2008 @ 2:38 pm
Extan,
Got the email – thanks for that. I have removed two of the comments (just so you know I’m not blocking you!)
I think your posts must have been deleted due to you perhaps mentioning some prescription drugs (a lot of them are on the Comment Blacklist).
Thanks, Ben
Comment by Ben — 28th April 2008 @ 8:51 pm
Some people have to learn the hard way you can’t make $30 turn into $55,000 no matter what they say. Of course some never do learn, thus why they keep thinking the other one will be the one to pay out. Maybe if they get enough friends and family members really ticked off at them, they might learn. Somehow I seriously doubt it. You can’t keep people from doing stupid things, especially when it comes to getting rich quick. The scammers love it because they are the only ones that get rich off your $30-$40, and they get far more than a measley $55,000. Stupid is as stupid does.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th April 2008 @ 12:18 am
Extan:
I have a question regarding your post:#863 “GPP’s forum is back on track, hope we’ll soon hear how far Stella has progressed with the last 1000 refunds as well as their next plan of action.”
So your saying that 99000 people already got their payouts and just 1000 more to go? Or is that just what the website says? Did you get your payout? Know anyone that got theirs? Or did I read that incorrectly??
B’cuz my friend (who signed up over a year and a half ago) is still waiting, I’d like to tell her something other than you got taken for a ride sister.
Have you read my experience with gpp? see post#842 on page 43 and up.
Please, humor me and let me know if I read that right…
thank you
Comment by SHEEEESH — 29th April 2008 @ 4:56 pm
Hello everyone,
Which of the GPP is back? Is it GPP.net or GPP.biz? if it is GPP.net, is it not the GPP.net site that is fraudulent, where members are told not to log In.
Comment by Gabriel — 29th April 2008 @ 5:41 pm
Will GPP ever come back?
Comment by Gabriel — 29th April 2008 @ 5:42 pm
SHEEEESH,
The refunds are not the payout. apparently alot of people had problems with signing up for gpp, payment went through but they did not get usernames, passwords etc. So stella refunds your money so that you can give it back to her again! And people are asking why she is giving refunds if this is a scam!
If you pay your money and get your membership then thats not illegal, but if they take your money and you dont get your membership then that is illegal. besides, how many more policies have they sold since these refunds started back in october or november? why would they run away when they are still receiving so much money?
Comment by Blade68 — 29th April 2008 @ 5:44 pm
Gabriel: In regard to your question: “Hello everyone,
Which of the GPP is back? Is it GPP.net or GPP.biz? if it is GPP.net, is it not the GPP.net site that is fraudulent, where members are told not to log In.” The fake site is GPP.biz. GPP.net is the correct site for members.
Having said that, it really doesn’t make any difference as they are both scams.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th April 2008 @ 5:54 pm
Blade68,
Hi, thanks for the reply, so now my friend is waiting for both!? A refund of her money, and the payout! thats funny.
Has anyone recieved their “refund” yet? Or is it only on the website…..either way, anyone get anything from them at all? I would love to hear a success story..
Comment by SHEEEESH — 29th April 2008 @ 5:58 pm
Last that I’d noticed, which was about a month ago, that round of “refunds” was for failed sign-ups from December. As in the past, apparently it was selective since many who submitted requests did not receive any refund. A fairly typical ploy to give them some credibility by having some saying that they received refunds. There still are people waiting for “refunds” from that and earlier months and no such action for those from more recent months.
Also as Blade68 notes these “refunds” are not so much that as they are re-sign-ups. There are NO refunds back to people for any other reasons where the money actually would be taken back from GPP.
Your friend MIGHT receive a “refund” but it will amount to nothing since it’s a blatant SCAM and they’ll just take the money and never pay anyway.
Comment by JH — 29th April 2008 @ 6:36 pm
Hey JH,
Theyve got balls the size of Australia dont they!
Where is gpp’s resident cheerleader Extan at? Still ‘away’ for two weeks but not really?
He hasnt responded to two separate posts of mine, he doesnt know me, but clearly he doesnt have any love for me. This makes me sad, as I am a very lovable person! lol
Comment by SHEEEESH — 29th April 2008 @ 6:51 pm
Refunds!?! That is the biggest pile! Yea, they are going to give a refund for those poor people who paid money after they closed,and didn’t get their right screen name…. Now who is really that stupid… I mean, really.
My Friends… If this was not a scam, I’d ask, why would “Stella” be so worried about processing some bogus refund for a few, when the completion of the payment should be on center stage?… OK, they are going to work on getting $40 back to a few instead of getting us our payout (which some have been waiting for years). YEA, RIGHT!
These people need to get got quick before they disappear.
Anyone hear anything from Stella? What about in any other blogs. She probably provides info to others that “she” moderates. I saw one with all of these “good feelings” going on… Statements like: “yea, it’s about to pay off”, “it’s coming!”, “just wait!”. What a travesty!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 30th April 2008 @ 3:13 am
Have just gone through this blogs 43 and 44, a lot of things were said and no real headway done, at least Ben now knows my real name, so anyone talking about me lying etc, good for you 🙂 .
My feeling is that Stella will soon post some lines on the GPP forum, else she must be very stupid!
Money is still going in and we are smiling (hope it will get real soon for everyone)!! I have not really changed my positive stance and I’m not stupid at all. We need positive inputs in our buggered up world and let GPP show us the good, I’m sure they will!! They would not wait for 10 Euro bills!
I’m now the 6th day out of the hospital and feeling much better, waiting for the wounds to heal, yesterday here at home I build a new wooden case for my tower and scanner, using a comm. doweling jig, prefer over nails and screws which one can see and much more powerful. Just a feel better action…
I have here a good article about special bank investment programs not available to even the richest investors, kind of inside jobs of the top bank structures, then re-selling the next step down, etc. The point is really that all the way down the line one can make huge sums of money in a very short time, (time between buy and sell as the price goes up) using leverage, etc. methods used when not having those 100mill plus investments. So, please forget about your 2% interest bank accounts to calculate GPP’s possible or not investment.
Stay positive!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 30th April 2008 @ 8:24 am
EXTAN: Good to see you are on the mend, and doing well. You give Stella way too much credit. She sure has made the word PROFESSIONAL take on a whole new meaning; and not in a good way.
Sure hope your super secret article about “special banking” programs isn’t Prime Bank Notes. Then I am sure without the special decoder ring, password and handshake, us mere mortals will never know. Now how in the world has this been kept away from even the richest investors, but you are special? Your list of accomplishments keeps getting larger and larger. I hope you don’t think it is impressing anyone. I’d hate to burst your ego.
Comment by EagleOne — 30th April 2008 @ 8:37 pm
“Stay Positive”! Yes, that is another one that I forgot to add to that list (see end of post #875)!
Extan,
I’d like to ask, why you keep trying to introduce these bogus schemes to take advantage of others? Ok… So not even the richest investors don’t have privy to these (shams)accounts… Well, two things are wrong here:
1) insider trading is illegal. Bad idea from the start…
2) Why bar rich investors from joining this scheme? Guess they won’t fall for such a scam.
You know, although I may seem negative, I’d suggest that you all keep your money in a bank getting that 2% as opposed to loosing EVERYTHING that you’d put in that scam. If however you are still inclined to do so, wait till you get the GPP payout!
Eagle,
That bit about that secret decoder ring truly gave me a great laugh.
As for EXTAN, I will not make light of your injuries, super mountain climbing and triathelons, not to mention great intelligence and degrees from unsaid universities, but we are here for the investors of GPP. As you mentioned, you have an inside track to Stella. Could you ask her about our investment. How much longer now? The following month again, for the 6th to 12th time?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 1st May 2008 @ 1:04 am
MikeCheck: If you got a chuckle out of that one, you should really enjoy this:
Now that April has come to an end, thought it would be fun to take a trip down memory lane of GPP the last 5 months:
In December we had the big announcement that starting in January the members would be sending in their documents, they would have the whole month to get them in to GPP; and you would be able to buy more policies through the end of January. But not to worry, buying these additional policies would not have any effect on the mid-February payout. Yes boys and girls, GPP was going to pay out! The members were ecstatic believing the promised payout of mid-February would come true. The promoters were making fun of all those naysayers, and it wouldn’t be long until they would be shown a thing or two. Everything was euphoria in GPP land.
First week of January and no information on where to send the documents, but the promoters told everyone to be patient and it wasn’t a big deal. Then the announcement that surprise, they had to find a banking solution because they just found out that you can no longer have an anonymous debit card. Guess they had been asleep the past 6 or so years. So off Stella went in search of a banking solution with the Trust partners. Ah yes Stella, the one person admin, customer service rep, financial guru, paralegal and contract expert was off to 3 continents in search of this elusive banking solution. But not to worry, you could still buy more policies.
Well, January came and went with no information on where to send the documents, and of course no payout for February as was previously told would happen by Stella and the Trust partners back in December. But not to worry, just a small glitch and after all, we had professionals in charge and all would be made right soon. Then the big announcement that updates might only be made monthly, but you could still buy more policies.
February faded into the sunset, and March came in like a lamb. But it sure was going to go out like a lion. Before Stella could click her ruby slippers 3 times, all kinds of fun things started happening. Late March and early April saw GPIT get raided, and Stella letting everyone know GPIT was not GPP; you had the website hacked; database compromised; and fake E-mails being sent to the membership. Stella, being the professional she is, waited a whole 2 days before issuing a short statement saying the E-mail was fake, not to fall for it, and it was not GPP that had sent it. No mass mailing to the membership warning them, but no, the members had to logon to the website to find out what had happened. A couple more days went by before Stella, that consummate professional, announced that now that the database had been compromised, you needed, excuse me, she demanded you change your password. And of course we cannot forget the Finnish authorities announced they are investigating GPP. The Finnish promoter’s of GPP removed all references to GPP from their E-mail & forum post signature lines, as well as on their websites; But not to worry it is not big deal, just a tax issue according to the faithful promoters of GPP not living in Finland. Guess the Finn’s who were promoting GPP didn’t get the E-mail telling them it was just a tax issue, and they had nothing to worry about. Stella had no comment. And of course now you could buy more policies at a discount.
With all that fun in March and April, one can only wonder what May showers will bring for GPP and the members. Since May is known for its storms, and Thunderstorms, one can only imagine what that holds in store for GPP. Hmmmm, maybe those dark clouds forming on the horizon is more than a mere thunderstorm. Might it be those “evil and nasty authorities?†But the good news, according to the promoters, is this is all just a minor glitch in the road; don’t forget this is being run by PROFESSIONALS and you can buy more policies at a discount.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st May 2008 @ 5:07 am
Eagle, obviously I do not have those “secret” investments, nothing about conspiracy, but Mike seems to be really ignorant about high end finance, after all a deal starts somewhere, say you could get hold of one of those investments were your input is safeguarded against loss, you can leaverage 100 mill dollar with say 3 mill dollar and when selling you get a 4% gain in one month, that gives you 1 million dollar gain for that time and so you proceed. Money makes money!
Well Mike, I will start to (try to) get walking again, actually it’s today 6th day after the op, not yesterday. Have a sickness since 5 month normally reserved mainly for 30 -40 year olds, guess I got it a bit later 🙂 they say it comes from the heavy metals in the air, even more so in London. Eagle thanks for the kind words!
Nothing yet from Stella, obviously she is not professional, very crude, have always said that! Enjoy your May day!
Comment by EXTAN — 1st May 2008 @ 7:50 am
Wish you the best in your healing process,extan.
And one other thing, if you could clarify this one sentence of yours to me:”Money is still going in and we are smiling”.
Now why would more money going in to GPP make you smile?
Is there something in it for you if GPP manages to scam some more people out of their money…
And if you try to make some comparison between “high end finance” and GPP, well, I think they don’t have anything to do with each other.
You really can’t compare multimillion deals and sending 30euros to some anonymous “company”, then hoping it to turn into tens of thousands of euros…
Comment by Rokka — 1st May 2008 @ 9:56 am
sorry you don’t seem to get the point how to use a large sum of money 30 x 130K to make more money, very simple, hey?
Comment by EXTAN — 1st May 2008 @ 10:13 am
Eagle one,
I really loved your 5 month trip down memory lane with GPP it was halarious..and I am sorry I have to say that I think Extan is a secret member of GPP no matter who disagrees with me..Thanks for the laugh eagle one!
Comment by jacob — 1st May 2008 @ 10:30 am
And you Extan, of course, as a great investor, know how to do it. That’s why you invested in GPP, because it’s a sure investment.
Or, are you saying that people behind GPP came up with this scam in order to get some capital for some real investing?
I guess, that makes you an investor too, you’re just not going to enjoy any the profits that “stella” an co. are going to make for themselves.
Comment by Rokka — 1st May 2008 @ 12:29 pm
“…say you could get hold of one of those investments were your input is safeguarded against loss, you can leaverage 100 mill dollar with say 3 mill dollar and when selling you get a 4% gain in one month, that gives you 1 million dollar gain for that time and so you proceed. Money makes money!”
I guess that explains why banks, which all are public companies and/or highly regulated businesses with highly detailed public financial reporting, typically only make ~9% per YEAR in profits in a good year. And why they’re now reporting tens of billions of dollar losses.
Want to know the REAL secret to generating huge returns as described? There is no secret. It doesn’t exist.
And if you applied a little common sense, then you’d realize that if YOU know about it, as in the case of GPP from some sketchy amateurish web site, then it’s not a secret! ; )
Comment by JH — 1st May 2008 @ 4:59 pm
Jacob: Glad you enjoyed it and it gave you a good laugh. I have to give credit though to LynnRE from another forum for writing it. Somehow when I copied it over, it left out LynnRE’s mention of having written it. I apologize to LynnRE for this, and I was not trying to take credit for having written it. Sure would be nice to be able to edit out your mistakes (hint, hint, hint Ben).
You won’t find me arguing against your saying Extan, or any of the variations, is part of GPP. If he was such an astute investor, as he likes to claim, he would have never become a member of GPP in the first place. The truth being he has probably been in more scams than he would ever admit to, and maybe has made a couple of hundred at best. The only way he continues to promote GPP is if there is something in it for him. Now what will be really telling is what kind of response he gives to JH’s comments.
Again my sincere apologies to LynnRE.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st May 2008 @ 6:31 pm
GPP is just too much fun. Now to login to GPP’s website you have to login your information twice. I guess they think this will make the members believe the site is now protected from hackers. What a riot. If you didn’t have the correct login information in the first place, you would never get to the second login link. But at least GPP is being run by PROFESSIONALS! ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 1st May 2008 @ 9:02 pm
EXTAN,
“…say you could get hold of one of those investments were your input is safeguarded against loss, you can leaverage 100 mill dollar with say 3 mill dollar and when selling you get a 4% gain in one month, that gives you 1 million dollar gain for that time and so you proceed. Money makes money!â€Â
You show me a high end leveraged investment where your investment is safeguarded against loss, i really truly want to know, and i imagine everyone else here does too!
No need for gpp, we can just leverage a few hundred at no risk, then keep compounding it, what do you say EXTAN?
Comment by Blade68 — 1st May 2008 @ 9:35 pm
My goodness, these last statements from 779 to 885 hits the mark directly on the head!!
Again amusing and sad.
Eagle,
That 5 month summation is one of the best that I’ve seen on this scam! You are right, that was another good one!
JH, Jacob and Rokka,
Yes we can all see the scam action here. No basis, no financial calculations shared, and when talking about the money we get these 2 or three sentence answers, if any at all.
Extan, I must say, as I have suspected from the very beginning that you are involved in this scam! How can you not be? It’s like being on a wooden boat, in the middle of the ocean, which is burning up, and you saying, “we are almost there, just wait”! Yes, wait to get fried! In effect that is what happened here. Seriously though… If I’m mistaken, and that is very possible, I’m sorry, once again…
Rokka,
You made a good point on this money going in to GPP… This money is being used to make money on their end. Have you noticed how much action is being going on w/ GPP in relation to the FOREX? I suspect that they are trading monies, perhaps making some additional money in the process, but this possibly is also used to launder money.
When we all get down to it though… How can some sham business, who does not want to be identified, with a sucky website that is always down, who supposedly have some Stella clown (managing all of this money), actually exist? I tell you, if I had these facts I would laugh, and prevent others from GIVING them their money…
As mentioned, large banking institutions are handling Billions, and in many cases posting losses. The point that I’d like to make here is that there are thousands of people working at these institutions. Sounds like there are about 20 or 30 people operating this scam (handling these billions).
So a Billion = a thousand Million… You think these clowns have one person managing this much money!?!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd May 2008 @ 2:07 am
Hi everyone, seems I hit a nerve somewhere? It actually takes many pages to explain where those bank investments can be had by the rich people (not me, just waiting like a fool for GPP to pay out), maybe look at the “International Chamber of Commerce”, not to be confused with your local Ch. o. Com. and take your research from there.
Yesterday I had to reformat my HDrive and install everything new, hope now it will go better… hope Stella wakes up soon!
Comment by Extan — 2nd May 2008 @ 5:12 pm
“…maybe look at the “International Chamber of Commerceâ€Â
Especially this page:
http://www.icc-ccs.org/fib/overview.php
Send them a link to GPP’s site. ; )
Comment by JH — 2nd May 2008 @ 6:03 pm
Sounds to me as though Extan is referring to that venerable old scam, the bank debenture programme. Promoters always quoted various ICC documents to ‘prove’ their legitimacy. It may be enjoying a renaissance as I see that HCI25 include it in their programme.
Comment by Owen Platt — 2nd May 2008 @ 6:58 pm
Hey you all, dig this… My friends, don’t let your friends invest in these RPP’s. They are ALL SCAMS!!! I got this off of a site… Founds this when looking around after viewing JH’s site.
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WorldPensionClub.com
First, we will analyze WorldPensionClub, (WPC) program. If copying is a sign of flattery, then credit should be given here as the verbiage down to the FAQs is copied exactly from the Global Pension Plan site. They are at least smart enough to change the program names.
WPC differentiates itself by offering three unique bonuses to entice members. The first is a free signup for the first 250 members, then the first 1000 members get a bonus 10,000 Euros and finally, the member with the most referrals get a whopping bonus of 1 Million Euros.
The most obvious red flag one should notice about WorldPensionClub is the fact they are using a HYIP script to run their site. Shell out a $100 and you can buy “Script4Profit†to run your own scam. Do you think a business that is about to make Billions of dollars at least could have a more professional looking website and paying for better software that gives a little more trust?
Pinging WorldPensionClub returns an IP of 216.75.56.130 and doing a quick reverse Whois lookup, shows us that this domain is located here in the U.S. I don’t know about you, but programs like these that are located in the U.S. are highly illegal if they are not registered with the SEC if the program is actually legit.
OrgName: California Regional Intranet, Inc.
OrgID: CALI
Address: 8929A COMPLEX DRIVE
City: SAN DIEGO
StateProv: CA
PostalCode: 92123
Country: US
ReferralServer: rwhois://rwhois.cari.net:4321
NetRange: 216.75.0.0 – 216.75.63.255
CIDR: 216.75.0.0/18
NetName: CARI-4
NetHandle: NET-216-75-0-0-1
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd May 2008 @ 7:20 pm
It is so much fun taking trips down memory lane, so I thought I would do one more. In the very early stages of GPP, Stella did a Q&A, and here is just one Q&A of importance, and I quote:
“Q: What does the Trust Partner pay in this Program?
A: The Trust Partner pays about $4 – $5 per every new member in addition to the membership fee of $30 EUR out of it’s own pocket currently. So please understand the collected membership fees of $3,5M is actually -$450,000 for them. They decided to set the fee to $30 EUR to show some goodwill, but also because $40 would have been too much for most of the people.”
Now let’s be perfectly clear, there are no policies; but for the sake of arguement, let’s pretend they do. So if this is true, then the Trust partners must be really taking a beating selling these additional policies initially at a discount, and now selling them at a deep discount.
Now do any of you really believe any of this? Do you really think that a difference of $10 per “policy” was too much for most of the people as claimed? This was shot down when they offered additional policies to be purchased, and they were by most of the people. Do you still believe this is real?
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd May 2008 @ 11:05 pm
Fantasy land continues with the latest update from Stella. Not sure which Stella wrote this one, but it wasn’t “the Stella” we have all come to know and love. ROFLOL! Contradicts herself several times, but the faithful will lap it up as being a “positive” sign things are well in GPP land. Besides it is all the members fault for all this negativity because some post her updates on the open forums. Talk about creative writing, and most of it is total nonsense. But we will have Extan, EXTAN, extan, and extant “praising” Stella’s update as being a very “positive” sign GPP will pay out. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd May 2008 @ 8:01 am
Seems this blog is dying out, we’ll see around the end of June :-). In Afrikaans we would say, “hier is net n klomp sotte”.
Stellas letter… strange how she handles it, she is just hurting GPP’s image by posting a long letter and then she is keeping quiet again for a long time, rather unprofessional! Overall I think she was just buying a bit more time and she knows she can shove us around, no matter what!!
Enjoy your weekend
Comment by EXTAN — 3rd May 2008 @ 7:02 pm
What’s wrong, extan? Loosing your faith for GPP, are you now? With all the inconsistencies, it’s totally understandable. well, the sooner people realise that they have been scammed, the sooner they can move on. And hopefully won’t fall for these kind of scams again.
Aren’t I right, Extan?
Comment by Rokka — 3rd May 2008 @ 8:20 pm
Nothing wrong, Rokka, GPP will pay out, but they have more time than Africa time if you know what I mean. Every human has his own style and Stella is playing boss, so we must feel like little children until she plays “father Christmas” and puts some money under our pillows!
Sleep tight and dream about Finland 🙂
Comment by EXTAN — 3rd May 2008 @ 9:16 pm
Extan,
I see… So I suppose that Stella will disburse all of these millions to everyone… Something is not quite right huh? Don’t you recall Stella contradicting herself SEVERAL times? I do. Wouldn’t this raise a red flag?
Well, in English, we would say, “We’ve Been Scamed”!
By now everyone can see that we have continually been scammed!!! Look at this! SIX MONTHS!!! SIX MONTHS!!! Surely no one could at this point thisnk that this is a valid program. I have come to the realization long ago that this was a scam. As I continue ti say, I simply do not want others to get involved in this blatant stealing of money.
Speaking of money, which overseas internet bank are people sending money to now?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd May 2008 @ 10:28 pm
Hi Mike, think you got a bit more friendly, thanks 🙂 . Anyway, GPP act very crude, usually it does not make sense, but they have to protect themselves from a horde of trouble makers, not to mention various deranged types, such as hackers, etc. But finally I predict!! that payout date will be at the end of June. They will need about 8 weeks to process the incoming certificates etc, I could think of an automated system that could do it in about 2 days!
Raining here, getting winter, tomorrow back to work, Ben my IP will change again…, I installed new virus software here, so hopefully not have to re-do this PC installation again.
Comment by EXTAN — 4th May 2008 @ 9:05 am
EXTAN: I found your statement, and I quote: ” But finally I predict!! that payout date will be at the end of June. They will need about 8 weeks to process the incoming certificates etc, I could think of an automated system that could do it in about 2 days!” quite interesting.
If it is, as you claim, going to take them 8 weeks to process the documents, there is no way they can make an end of June payout. The reason being is they haven’t even started requesting the documents be sent in, and even if they were going to ask this, it will be the end of this month at the earliest, allowing the entire month of June for everyone to get them in.
Of course another telling part of your statement shows the fallacy of GPP by saying there is a system that can process this in 2 days. Not that the system does not exist, but that is not how real pension plans are processed by insurance companies. This notion that all you have to do is allow them to use your name, you send in a document or two proving you are who you say you are is a joke. Real pension plans require the applicant, that means each member of GPP, to complete and send in the application to the insurance company. They do not allow a 3rd party broker to complete applications for an applicant. The member must sign the application, or there is no application. Of course we are supposed to believe that the Trust has made arrangements with an insurance company to violate all these rules, and get an exception.
But you are right about one thing, and that is this will be over by the end of June; but not as you say. I give them until the end of June to disappear. Actually I will be surprised if they last past the end of this month. The only way they will is because they have members still buying more policies, and they don’t think they have to worry about the “authorities” finding them. If they do think the “authorities” will find them, they will be gone in a heartbeat.
As to your other comments about the “trouble makers and hackers,” I find this laughable. I thought these people were PROFESSIONALS!, at least that is what they said in the beginning. Don’t you just love how “actions” speak louder than “words.” But I will say this, and this is being positive, they are PROFESSIONAL screwups and conmen.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th May 2008 @ 6:14 pm
EXTAN: Just for fun, I decided to run a few numbers just for you. For GPP to process 250,000 policies in one month, they would need to process 8,334 policies per day, working 24/7 every day. For them to do it with a normal month of working days (22), they would need to process 11,364 policies per working day.
Now I used 250,000 because no-one knows just how many additional policies have been bought of the additional 250,000 made available. We know not all have been bought, as they are still selling policies. So I just used the initial 100,000 and added another 150,000 of these 250,000 additional policies. Even if you allow 2 months to process the policies, it would take them processing 4,167 policies per day working 60 days 24/7; and 5,682 per day working 44 days.
Now consider that an insurance company usually has an employee ratio of 10 employees to one policy application, do you really believe that GPP has access to over 1 million people to process these policies, or there is an insurance company that has this many employees in their pension department?
Tell me how this is real again.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th May 2008 @ 9:07 pm
Have you all seen “Gone is 60 seconds”? Was a great movie, Nicolas Cage… I suspect that you all know about “Gone in 60 days”. It stars Stella and GPP.
Can we say here we go again! Another major insult to our intelligence. No what kind of Billion dollar company, can’t buy an over the counter program to process statements!! Extan, I’m sorry, but that makes no sense. As Eagle mentioned, how could payments be made if you have not asked for info?
Yes, to this nonsense about hackers… I would think that a BILLION dollar company could swing $50 for Norton Antivirus program or the like. I say that jokingly, but it is the truth. Such a sorry security system, is not worthy of putting your name and address on (eventhough you could find this in a telephone book). A securty system that bad, surely should not be considered for financial transactions!
I guess you can tell Stella that every so often the internet cafe’ must shut down every so often to install antivirus software. Actually I don’t believe that either. Should take about 15 mins? Oh yea, and what’s with all of these problems that you are having w/ your computer? Sounds like you are having as many as GPP.
I’ll tell you all, this is bad…really bad. Pitiful quite honestly.
My friends, at this point could there truly be ANYONE that would now fall for this scam? I really can’t immagine anyone reading this board would think so. I’d rather light a match to two twenty dollar bills than to give away to scammers. This way I’d be sure to get at least some heat and a little bit of light from that money.
Anyone know how/where these monies are being obtained for GPP? I’m courious to see how they are still suckering people to get into this scam.
Oh, by the way, has anyone noticed how VERY VERY MANY, of these scams have names beginning with “Global”. Quite a few of these financial schemes begin with this name. Are they related? I don’t know, but I would not be surprised NOT ONE BIT!!!
I thought of something kind of funny. You all remember when that other GPP site came up? There of course was alot of confusion going on there… I don’t know what the deal was, but if it was in fact another entity, moving in oth their scratch(money), isn’t if funny how quickly “stella” got on the stick and let everyone know about this!
So, who still believes in GPP, How many are still hoping for the best, and how many suspect/know that this is a scam. I pretty much know that it is a scam. Nothing to back it up, and not one ANYWHERE has paid off! NOT ONE! Just curious.
Extan, I don’t believe that you really believe in this either. I would be one to suspect that you have your house’s value wrapped up into this scam. I more so, think that you are a player as you have all of this info from Stella. Why don’t you get her to have a couple of words with us. She can’t be but so busy, because she apparently hasn’t done anything in the past 6 months…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 4th May 2008 @ 9:12 pm
Eagle,
Just read your last post. What an excellent example of how very much of a scam this is.
People,
You’ll surely have to take a look at Eagles last post. This shows how rediculous this end of June statement was.
Oh yes, I wanted to mention this:
Do you all remeber, when I noted that the actual Stella said that the April pay out would not happen and that they would need at least 2 more months! Yes, said that it WAS NOT going to happen. This was posted directly from GPP’s site to another BLOG. Almost insulting. I’d be tempted to find that myself.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 4th May 2008 @ 9:22 pm
2 many lines to read, Mike, I just had to fix my keyboard, handyman, let me brag again 🙂 the S s did not want to work, waiting for Stella to send some money…, actually XP installed USB1 only but the M-board has USB2 (6 x faster scanning) so I do not need to buy a better board. Anyway we think it will be more towards the end of JULY before GPP can fork out our money. Winter is here, tomorrow back to work until GPP will set us free!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 4th May 2008 @ 10:50 pm
EXTAN: Your resume is getting longer than my arm, but I noticed you conveniently ignored my post regarding the number of policies they would need to process on a daily basis to issue all the policies. Of course when you have no answer, the best defense is always to ignore the question, and hope it goes away, or no-one will bother to press you for an answer.
Guess that might have caused you to change from an end of June payout to your now prediction of the end of July. Actually if this were real, it would take them until June of next year to process just half the amount of policies, and that means working 24/7. By the way, if they issue all 350,000, that is 11,667 policies per day working 24/7, or if just a standard working month, 15,909 per day. Don’t you just love math? Since you are such an expert in math (because you have told us so numerous times), I knew you would especially appreciate these numbers. So being the whiz in math that your are, want to figure out how many employees it would take for them to accomplish this task by the end of next June, let alone this July?
Would love to hear your explanation on how GPP is going to pull of this miracle. Now I realize that Stella is a one woman whiz-bang, but if it is taking her this long to just process a few hundred refunds for December, what makes you think she will perform this miracle in a month or two?
Comment by EagleOne — 5th May 2008 @ 4:58 am
EagleOne, sorry I like to relax on this blog, why should one try to calculate how long it will take to process all the certificates. I would issue forms to be filled “into blocks” (one letter per block)which can be read by automated machines, we are in 2008 and no use to do it manually, that’s all. End of July payout seems to be a better prediction to accommodate GPP’s slowness, no idea why they cannot speed up?? Honestly, we just have to wait, Stella feels very strong, hope she is not getting a drag-queen 🙂 …
Comment by EXTAN — 5th May 2008 @ 10:41 am
EXTAN, it’s funny to see how you won’t let logical thinking and reasoning get in the way of your child-like belief in GPP and “stella”.
How about answering to at least one question posted to you in this blog?
Just one question, it’s not that hard.
You just like to blow your own horn here, and not provide anything to back your claims about GPP. That exactly proves that you’re involved in this scam, and you get some benefit for writing positive statements about GPP.
In every online-scam there has been an “EXTAN” or two, writing in forums, telling how the scam is actually real with some vague insinuations and “facts”. I would be amazed to see EXTAN provide any comment that has some actual value. He should take some hints about Eagles way of writing, now there’s an example how to write an argument. Keep up the good work!
Comment by Rokka — 5th May 2008 @ 2:24 pm
Rokka what question do you have???????????????????? Sorry you will not unsettle me, don’t think EagleOne (or Mike) talks much sense and I’m not writing for Stella. My/our prediction about GPP’s payout comes purely from a 6th sense if you know anything about that, as well as knowledge about typical human behaviour. Since Stella does not act professionally anything can happen, but I’m quite sure eventually it will be positive, you just need some faith like believing in God if you get really sick!
Comment by EXTAN — 5th May 2008 @ 3:02 pm
Ok, EXTAN. Here’s some questions:
-How are the trust partners?
-Which insurance company is providing the pension insurance?
-Which countries deemed GPP as legit?
-Who are the persons(besides you) behind GPP?
There’s few for a start. I can say that, anything that Eagle or Mike writes makes a whole lot more sense then your BS about 6th sense, human behaviour and faith.
Want to know what my 6th sense says about GPP? I can tell you it’s one word 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 5th May 2008 @ 6:24 pm
EXTAN: Thanks for your non-reply, but exactly what I knew you would do. Guess you forget all those insurance companies that have all those employees doing the work that your “automated” system performs for them. But that is not how a “REAL” pension application works. For someone who ‘claims’ to know so much, you really ‘know’ so little when it comes to how “real insurance companies work,” or how to spot a scam.
But what was truly amazing in your post was this notion that only when you are really sick you believe in God. At least that is the way you wrote it. My belief in God has nothing to do with whether I am really sick or not, or going through any trials of life that come my way. It is an every day occurrence. I do not equate believing in God with believing in Stella and GPP. For you to equate the two really tells me a lot about you.
As for your 6th sense telling you this is real, well my 6th sense (as well as all my senses) tells me this is a scam. So if 6th senses are real, then how can ours be opposite?
Comment by EagleOne — 5th May 2008 @ 6:31 pm
Comes from a sixth sense huh? Now that’s really the way to plan your investmnet!
I’ll be back shortly to address that long email, into a shorter one later today…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 5th May 2008 @ 6:57 pm
I am finding these trips down memory lane to be quite informative. For example, early on Stellas let the cat out of the bag and named two of the 5 trust partners. Yes siree, she did. And I quote, “As the Trust Partners of GPP [Olle Bergstrom, Sweden / Carita Gillison, Spain] have said in their last Update, “…Our ambition is to have the payout before the end of the year so we can have the Christmas Of Our Lives. And that is no hard work! If everyone just sign up ONE new member a month and tell the new ones to do the same, in one month we will be 14.000 members. In two months 28.000. In three months 56.000, and in four months we have reached the goal. That would be in the mid of September, so enough time for administration to get the funds before Christmas…”
Now I wonder if they are still part of the Trust? At least 2 of the mysterious 5 have been revealed, and by Stella no less. Don’t you just love it. I know I do.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th May 2008 @ 5:27 am
I think Stella really sums it up in this last small paragraph,she is telling us plain and simple what GPP is all about in this last update that she posted a few days ago in the forum on May 2
Stella wrote:
“Please continue with your normal life, earn your money you need for your living, keep yourself updated in our forum and do what we tell you to do and then some fine day not very far from now anymore we will let you know that your money is on your account! So please don’t spend the money just yet!
Keep it light keep it positive! That is the way we will finally win!
Have a wonderful weekend!
Regards,
Stella ”
Now I don’t know about anyone else,but she is saying it straight out,telling us to back off! keep hoping that one day the BS their spitting will come through! But telling us don’t hold our breath,because it will not be happening any time soon. So Stella suggest we go on with our lives and continue living,living while we still supposedly should still continue to be buying more policies and supporting GPP! Please! And Extan I am a positive person,believe me, and I trust in God,but at this point with GPP who are we kidding??? Every month theres an excuse?? Every month they some how haave not reached the 100,000..when just a few months ago,correct me if I’m wrong..they had reached their target of 100,000..then the banking licence?one moment their approved the next their still waiting for just one more to come through?? You want me to stay positive,then I’ll be positive! now can you be positive that GPP will pay out,and can you give me a positive time when we will get payed…and Rokka brings up a good point why do you avoid the questions we all have asked of you Extan?? What countries approved GPP? How do you know?? let us in on your little secret?
Comment by jacob — 6th May 2008 @ 5:53 am
First of all I’m not part of GPP and they told us that the officials gave them a good bill of health which of course you will not believe. Actually I have no answers to those questions because I’m not part of them and frankly I do not have to answer any questions, because I’m not employed by them. Maybe just forget whatever I have said because everything was true to type and you are just a bunch of trouble makers.
Have a good day 🙂
Comment by EXTAN — 6th May 2008 @ 9:44 am
How come “stellas” latest update sounds lot like EXTANs usual ramblings, anybody noticed the same? : )
I came to a conclusion that if this EXTAN isn’t one of the scammers, he is one of those people with big downlines. He probably referred GPP to lots of people with his conspiracy theories and faith. He probably counted on those “referral bonuses up to 12 levels” to make a good deal of money, because 55000$ alone doesn’t provide financial freedom for a long time.
Now that S–t is hitting the fan, there’s no other way then keep up the faith and positive appearance. Because admitting that he has been screwed, might just be too much to deal with. Eventually GPP will be forgotten when some other same kind of “get rich quick”-scheme comes along.
GPP and believing or doubting in it, has nothing to do with faith and positive thinking, but only with logical thinking and plain common sense. But not all people are equipped with these qualities.
Luckily many of people writing comments here are.
Comment by Rokka — 6th May 2008 @ 9:51 am
Which officials were those who gave good bill of health to GPP?
I’ll believe you, if you provide info that anybody can verify.
Of course, you won’t answer to this question, just like any other question for that matter. And you’re right, you’re not obligated to answer any of the questions. But you do realise that by not answering and still supporting GPP, you bring your credibility close to a zero?
Sorry for being an trouble maker and raining on your parade 🙂
Just keep your child-like faith…
Comment by Rokka — 6th May 2008 @ 10:04 am
Obviously the officials of the banking solution Stella was talking about, you just have to read her last letter, does it ring a bell and now I have answered your question, thought my last post was clear about this!! God this is getting really dumb!! Rokka you seem to get frustrated and rude towards me, I do not have any downline, my beautiful girlfriend has, maybe she will give me a few cents if I send her some flowers 🙂 .
Net ‘n klomp sotte on this blog!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 6th May 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Well sorry, EXTAN. Didn’t mean to be rude, so sorry if I hurt your feelings:)
But you know how the saying goes: “if you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen”.
How about finnish officials deeming GPP as a scam, any opinions on that one? You do know that, it’s those GOVERMENT officials who in the last hand say what’s legal, and what’s not.
My 6th sense also says GPP is a scam, you do know something about 6th sense, do you?
Comment by Rokka — 6th May 2008 @ 3:25 pm
EXTAN: I want to clarify something you said. When you said, and I quote: “they told us that the officials gave them a good bill of health,” I took it to mean “they” being GPP/Stella. If so, that is not true. Only the promoters of GPP have said this. Stella has never posted any such information, and of course the Trust has not posted any such information. When the promoter’s were asked to provide the details regarding this statement, we got the usual song and dance response. Meaning, they made it up to try and take heat off the Finnish regulatory agencies investigation. So if GPP or Stella said this, please provide the quote proving it. Otherwise this is just another smoke and mirror, and attempt to deflect negative information about GPP with the Finnish investigation.
I also find your statement that you are being “picked on” quite an interesting take. I have noticed that you like to dish it out, but you don’t like being on the receiving end. Whether or not you are a part of GPP only time will tell. You are not alone in making statements making it sound like you are in the “know” with GPP, but claim you are not a part of GPP. Sort of like trying to have it both ways. But if what you say is true then you will have a hard time trying to explain why you, not being a part of GPP, would be privy to this information before the membership was so informed. So either you are trying to play the role “I am in the know, but don’t really know crap to build up your ego and sound important;” or “you are in the know, and trying to claim you are not part of GPP.”
Which makes the latter part quite an interesting position. If you are so sure GPP will pay out, as you claim, then why would you be afraid to say you are a part of GPP if you really are? If this is so legitimate, what are you afraid of by not admitting your role in GPP? Now I don’t believe for one minute you will even address or try to answer any of these questions. To do so would truly reveal if you do or don’t have a role in GPP. I just find it odd that those who support it the most all claim they are not a part of GPP; but they are privy to inside information and GPP is real. What a riot.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th May 2008 @ 7:31 pm
Eagle, don’t forget that EXTANs famous 6th sense and excellent knowledge of human behaviour 🙂 You’re absolutely right about him, one can not tell if he’s a bird or a fish.My guess is that he’s just easily gullible and believes everything he’s told by GPP, just like a little child.Deep down inside he knows it’s a scam, but just can’t face the cruel reality.
Comment by Rokka — 6th May 2008 @ 8:24 pm
Eagle,
Again, I must say that I could not agree with you more. This nonsense about “the officials”. That’s crap! Extan why don’t you name these elusive officials. Oh, you can’t? We’ll let’s just say that I knew that. Prove me wrong if you are so brave. Who thinks that we’ll get that answer.
There were aome considerations that I gave to your position dealing w/ GPP. Yes, you could be a GPP investor (no, I mean your beautiful girlfriend), but that wouldn’t make sense. I’m pretty sure that you are either Stella or is working closely with them, or “her”.
My friends,
This last statement from Stella was just too much! Keep on living and get the cash when you get it! Sounds to me like “don’t call me period!”
You know, lies have a way of bringing themselves to the surface. Tell one lie, you must tell another, then another , then another. By now we’ve caught them in so many that it simply does not make sense to believe a word that they are saying.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 7th May 2008 @ 2:38 am
So much crap from you, you do not seem to understand what a church mouse knows, please get a life and talk some sense, it simply beats me. You are very sick indeed. GPP will pay out, we will just have to wait a bit longer.
Comment by EXTAN — 7th May 2008 @ 5:41 am
Behold, the mighty EXTAN master of arguments 🙂
It’s you who’s not making any sense, others here are at least backing up their claims. You have done none of the kind. Lay down some facts why you think GPP is going to pay out, or just be quiet. Bragging about your self here, really serves no purpose. Let the subject and facts do the arguments, not people. You brought this criticism upon yourself, if you wan’t someone to blame, take a look in the mirror…
Comment by Rokka — 7th May 2008 @ 10:07 am
Rokka, you simply do not understand the simplest grad 1 sentence, just looking for trouble, I have never met such scam lovers anywhere, pick pick pick on anything that does not scam. GPP will be ok and you will cry! Please stop this nonsense!! So when does Mike post a looooooooog letter again full of useless ramblings?
Comment by EXTAN — 7th May 2008 @ 10:33 am
Just thought about what I can brag again, very boring here at work, well below my vuurmaak plek, so I’m waiting for GPP to pay out, then I can do more interesting work like marketing my patents, etc.
Comment by EXTAN — 7th May 2008 @ 11:48 am
How am I looking for trouble, explain me, EXTAN?
I base my claim about GPP beeing a scam on the facts that:
-Nobody knows who are the “trust partners”,insurance company issuing pension insurances, or which banks are involved.
-Nobody knows who are people behind GPP.
-Finnish authorities have started investigation about GPPs legality.
-GPP works without any necessary licenses from goverment authorities.
-numbers don’t add up, countless sites have proven how RPPs just do not work.
-GPP is only promoted from person to person. or over the internet.
-It’s in a way a pyramid scheme, where one benefits from recruiting others to join. Pyramid schemes are illegal, you know.
Of course, in this pyramid even the top of pyramid won’t get anything. Just the persons who started GPP the money, since there’s not going to be any payout.
I do not pick on something that does not scam, I pick on something that does scam, like GPP. How are these writings hurting you or GPP, please do tell, EXTAN? I do agree with you in something, mikes writings can be little bit longish, but at least they make lot more sense then yours. You just seem to neglect anything that contradicts your opinion, instead of facing it with arguments of your own.
You can call me sick again, if it makes you feel better, I don’t mind. But how about telling some actual facts why you think GPP will pay out, in oppose to ones I said?
Comment by Rokka — 7th May 2008 @ 1:34 pm
Hello to everyone again!My last post i guess was send on Feb.Nice to read you coments here again!Nothing new i guess…Hei Rokka!I’m so happy that you tell here your opinion about gpp and is nice too that everyone also participate here.I’m afraid that Extan put in here all he got for a reason.I don’t understand why he is that much ~£¥¤ to everybody here,that interest for say the last word here in a childest way,makes him very susp.Don’t you think so?I think you have to get a life not Rokka,you are allready here half of yours and you don’t know anything more that talking about you and talking about us without respect,you are so young or you have a child mind if you put to much about your self,every time some one here make a opinion and HELLO!!.this is a scam blog,isn’t ?
Comment by SALT — 8th May 2008 @ 12:12 am
EXTAN,
If you have to make all of this stuff up on a constant basis, how can you be taken for real? For example if you really had all of these degrees and such you would be able to show us how, and possible ways that this program could actually work. Why don’t you show us with hypothetical numbers? Prove yourself…
Yes, why not? You don’t even have to tell us that you are about to ride a rocket around the world, then hurt ourself somehow for sympathy.
Extan, my posts too long huh? Well at least my statements has some kind of backing. Other than your “hey, it’s about to pay” ramblings! This with no backing other than telling us all about your next trip, vacation or some other non GPP related subject to go on
By the way, why would I be sad if GPP was to pay out? I sure would not cry… I’d be extreemly happy for all involved in this scam.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 8th May 2008 @ 12:27 am
I was just wondering if any of you found it odd that Stella, the customer service/admin rep for GPP had to be ‘vetted’ for the banking license? The only way this would be required is if Stella was one of the principal’s of this so-called “Trust.” A lowly admin or customer service rep would not be required to be ‘vetted.’ Don’t you just love how Stella embellishes her impportance, just as someone else on this forum feels a need to embellish his importance. Hmmmmmmm, wonder if it is just a co-incidence?
Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 2:38 am
Speaking of being ‘vetted,’ EXTAN did they ‘vet’ you too? Was just wondering. I am surprised they didn’t ‘vet’ the janitor too. It seems that anyone within the organization had to be ‘vetted,’ no matter what their role. LOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 8:03 am
I was wondering if anyone had tried to contact Ollie and Carita, the two Trust members Stella mentioned in the early stages of GPP, yet to see what they have to say about the delays, etc.?
Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 8:10 am
EagleOne – how would you suggest contacting the two fictitious trust partners? Do you have a private line????????
And what would be the point?
Comment by Owen Platt — 8th May 2008 @ 9:16 am
Well if you consider that your letters have some content, I beg to differ, first of all, a negative mind can proof ANYTHING wrong, very easy, just moan and moan, it works! Mike you seem to love yourself, your letters… just let me ignore them. On the whole this blog is a no no, it serves no purpose!! Salt is a little creep, or see how it runs?
Comment by EXTAN — 8th May 2008 @ 12:07 pm
why contact the trust partners, do you think they will give you some money? Beats me hands down!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 8th May 2008 @ 12:10 pm
My Fok Extan jy lyk soos n donderse aap op die forums.
Maak sin as jy iets wil skryf
Ek en my ma het ook geld in Global , maar dit lyk nie asof ons enige iets gaan sien nie.
Ek probeur ook positief bly maar dit is darem moeilikke. Meskien moet ons wakker word en sien dat tannie ‘Stelle’ ons geld gesteel het
Comment by Jason — 8th May 2008 @ 12:58 pm
Jason,
English only please on this blog. Any further posts containing other languages will be deleted.
Thanks,
Ben
Comment by Ben — 8th May 2008 @ 1:10 pm
Sorry Ben
The translation basically is that I told EXTAN to stop being a monkey, told him to write sense and listen to the thoughtful posts on this site.
[Addition by Ben: Thanks Jason, sorry if I sounded harsh]
I have cash in Global, and for some time really looked forward to the payout and the release that it would bring from my financial misery. In hindsite, I can see I was a fool, but these companies prey on people with little hope.
I am however looking forward to see how this train wreck unravels.
Comment by Jason — 8th May 2008 @ 1:25 pm
“Avoid the scams, find out which Business Opportunities actually works”
EXTAN, this what is says on the header of the blog. You do know, avoid the scams like GPP.
And also blindlly positive mind can prove anything correct, even against facts and logic. I think this blog is serving a good purpose, my hat of to Ben for that. This blog is excellent in my opinion, since it offers everybody chance to make themselves heard and share their view. Even someone like you EXTAN, can defend you opinion here, would be better if you could offer some facts to back it up, though…
Comment by Rokka — 8th May 2008 @ 1:29 pm
EXTAN,
Is this all that you can say? I’m negative? Well you may ignore my msgs, but there are many who will not! They will see your evading of valid questions. Just ask Stella (since you have this great access to her). I wonder if she’ll give the same response?
Rokka, makes a good point. Please back up your answers with some valid information. We are all here to learn of this program. Although I am one who believes that this is a scam (no, I’m sure that it is a scam), I would like to see some info that could prove me wrong! I really would love to see this. People who can’t afford to be scammed, and others who have these very large downlines are waiting.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 8th May 2008 @ 3:04 pm
Jason I know what a monkey looks like, had some tame ones on the farm in Namibia (near the Waterberg), if they grow up you have to set them free because they get dangerous, but I think a gorilla looks even better than some scam lovers! As to providing some theories about GPP, have done a lot of it but the IQ of the readers here seems to be very shallow, you know when you bump your head against a solid wall, no water comes out!!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 8th May 2008 @ 3:21 pm
U know what I do use a different user name and who cares? I do read on this blog. It’s the same rubbish each and every day, who cares? I don’t, and i think many OTHERS, do NOT care at all, either about every ones day or WHAT they do with it. There are web sites for that. — I went to the Bahamas on the weekend and how relaxing, anyway back to the GPP. What a CROCK OF SH-T. Who Cares?
This is not one of those my space sites so – P off if you have no real info on the GPP, whether good or bad. Otherwise Change the channel and I unfortunately have to say Grow UP.
Oh, and why doesn’t every check out Bens advertising sites, he at least deserves that, I already feel real crappy about most things on this site.
Support folks that’s what Ben Deserves. Like me or love me, I Don’t Care.
Even those of you that react to the sarcasms of Extan are just as bad as the sarcasm it’s self.
Now you either are focused on the GPP or you are just here out of Boredom.
Who cares what extan does or doesn’t do. Hike, get sick, get better, hike again. Do petrol crap or NOT. His work!!!!!! You guys ever heard of reverse psychology, he’s using it on ALL of you!!!…. Lol.
Even a child, WILL mis-behave, just for attention, BE it BAD or GOOD, to them it is SO WHAT!!! It’s — ATTENTION. HELLO!!!!! Metaphorically speaking Does a fisherman like to dangle bait, in hopes of catching a fish. When you DO catch that fish, do you think what A fool that fish is? – But there are smart fish that know a Bait when they See one. And Get on with their day.
GPP is all that matters to all the…un-Commenters here and I know of at least Fifty that don’t write on here but read nothing but DISAPOINTMENT, And what used to be A once a day read is now not even every Two , Three days. Some go a week or so, that used to read every day. Its all without a worry, what have they missed out on, Extans DAY!!! Not some important info on GPP.
Any info is appreciated and we are all hoping and praying, but most of us feel like family with one interest. WE are all in the same boat. It’s a waiting game. Let it Breath…
P.S Change your tactics as they are boring AS. I don’t mean Extan but all that – sercumm to his or her games. Psychology is and can be used as a game. Remember the movie BASIC INSTINCT. Clever Girl, Had EM all biting the BAIT.
We only care about one common Denominator and that is the Question: Is this a game or a fact…. GPP?
Comment by Who Cares — 8th May 2008 @ 4:29 pm
Is that all you can come up with, EXTAN? Insults, and more insults…
Your BS has reached a new level, just when i thought you couldn’t be any dummer. You’re obviously a scammer yourself, or paid cheerleader for GPP-scam. Now that your cover is blown, you can just crawl back under the rock you came from.
Comment by Rokka — 8th May 2008 @ 4:59 pm
Owen: Are you saying that Stella “LIED?” Ollie and Carita were just made up by her? How could this be? Why she is the do all, know all, indispensable admin, paralegal, and contract expert on banking licenses. Hmmmmm, if that is true, then one has to wonder what else Stella has “LIED” about.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 6:07 pm
EXTAN
as usual you have to resort to insults because you can not argue a point. My IQ is 153, i doubt yours is half that.
I have read most if not all of your posts and i have never read any of your theories on how gpp can work.
And your use of english is terrible.
Comment by Blade68 — 8th May 2008 @ 6:08 pm
Rokka: When all you have is insults, that is what you get. Now we can add animal trainer to EXTAN’s list of accomplishments.
Interesting isn’t it that for anyone who dares question the validity of GPP, the supporters demand “proof” it is a scam. And when you do, they refuse to accept it; and that is when the insults start. But when you request their “proof” that GPP is real, the excuses are longer than your arm as to why they won’t, and you are just to “believe” or think “positive.” Don’t you just love it. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 6:46 pm
Eagle One – who’s Stella?????
Comment by Owen Platt — 8th May 2008 @ 7:06 pm
“Owen: Are you saying that Stella “LIED?†Ollie and Carita were just made up by her?…”
Carita does appear to be real at least in that name. I found her on the web at one point. Looked like just another MLM player/promoter to me.
Ollie (actually Olle with the accent mark on the e I think) was the person who put together the original PowerPoint and .PDF versions of sevearl presentations in various languages for GPP (his name is in the author properties for both). There was another guy whose name (also of apparent Scandinavian origin) was on some of the early stuff but I don’t recall it now. I’d have to look back to find it. I can’t do searches of Scandinavian languages well so didn’t try beyond a quick look. Maybe Rokka could do a better job there.
Comment by JH — 8th May 2008 @ 7:52 pm
JH,
The other scandinavian guy you mentioned was Gunder Johansen, at least he was the author of the finnish GPP powerpoint-presentation, which was dated back to 20.6.2006. Don’t know if this info helps…
Comment by Rokka — 8th May 2008 @ 8:58 pm
Owen: In regard to your question, “Who’s Stella?” it depends on who you ask. For the faithful she is Wonder Woman, Super Woman, Bionic Woman, and Knows it all Woman all rolled into one. To the rest of us, we don’t have a clue; and it is possible Stella isn’t even a woman, and more than one person.
I just found it interesting that early on Stella, whoever that is, named these two as being part of the Trust; then all of a sudden everything had to be hush-hush and incognito in stealth mode. Maybe the Finnish authorities might want to talk to them for their investigation into GPP since they are supposed to be Trust Partners. Just wondering.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2008 @ 10:54 pm
“I just found it interesting that early on Stella, whoever that is, named these two as being part of the Trust…”
Actually if you look at the original source where that’s coming from it’s not completely clear whether that was “Stella” saying that (naming the names), or if it was something that the person writing it had added. Again, I’d have to go back and look to find it but I remember that specific information was in parens or put in a way that it could have been read more that one way. It is clear that they were persons who were involved in promoting it early on.
And thanks Rokka… that’s the name that I was thinking of.
Comment by JH — 8th May 2008 @ 11:44 pm
EXTAN,
I was sure that you would not let me down… You pulled another rabbit out of the hat! Maybe I should say monkey. OK, so you have done everything. Fine.
Who Cares,
Do you believe in this program?
JH,Rokka,
How can I help in the finding of these clowns?
I suspect that there are still policies being sold! This apparently was a great money maker! Ha, they are still here! Won’t be long I’ll bet. To sum up my meaning: GPP will be gone, along with the money.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th May 2008 @ 2:09 am
It is useless to try and help most of the people being scammed by GPP they just argue and fight against common logic. I have decided these people deserve to loose thier money. I actually hope to be the next person that takes it from them.
My only interest in watching this unfold is the hope the I can move to a third world country, re-create a simular scam and avoid prosecution.
Comment by Chicosan's Apprentice — 9th May 2008 @ 4:58 am
J.H.: This came from a post where a person had sent Stella a bunch of questions, and she responded. From the way it was presented, the answers were from Stella. This exchange was quite a ways down, and it was in response as to when GPP would pay out. Stella’s answer was a long one, and then this anwer was tossed in, and I quote:
“Q: How soon will be get paid our $55,000+??
A: This is the one question that can’t really be given a concrete answer, because it depends entirely on how many people join, how soon they join, and how many others they quietly tell about this program.”
She then goes on to list a long list of ways to get to the magical 100,000 figure, and then this quote:
“As the Trust Partners of GPP [Olle Bergstrom, Sweden / Carita Gillison, Spain] have said in their last Update,
“…Our ambition is to have the payout before the end of the year so we can have the Christmas Of Our Lives. And that is no hard work! If everyone just sign up ONE new member a month and tell the new ones to do the same, in one month we will be 14.000 members. In two months 28.000. In three months 56.000, and in four months we have reached the goal. That would be in the mid of September, so enough time for administration to get the funds before Christmas…”
Thus why I believed it was from Stella. If it wasn’t, whoever wrote it sure made it sound as if it was Stella responding to this question.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th May 2008 @ 5:13 am
“As the Trust Partners of GPP [Olle Bergstrom, Sweden / Carita Gillison, Spain] have said in their last Update”
Thanks Eagle. Yes, I’ve seen it and at one point I found the original blog where it was first posted. I knew that I remembered that it was set off in some way from the rest and being in brackets like that it wasn’t really clear to me whether the writer was inserting that on their own or if the names themselves came from “Stella.” They may have confused some update from Bergstrom/Carita, who were promoting it, as coming from the “Trust Partners.” Obviously I don’t know for sure one way or another. I’d agree that with the way the rest is written with that and the paragraph about the update dropped in the middle does make it read like it all was coming from her.
Comment by JH — 9th May 2008 @ 5:34 am
J.H.: Just another example of the “confusion” regarding GPP. What was really interesting is that not one of the early supporters of GPP (I think this was posted in mid-06) questioned it wasn’t from Stella. In fact, just the opposite. So whoever did write it sure made it sound like it was from Stella, and the faithful believed it 100% at the time. Now I bet they are all running away trying to claim it wasn’t from Stella, but from a Naysayer trying to twist her words. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 9th May 2008 @ 7:10 am
Blade68, sorry I’m not English, being a bloody German from Namibia I’ve just fixed a Mega 3 tank from Britain for etching printed circiut boards, had modified it before, utter rubbish, rattling, cheap switches, etc!
If you had an IQ of 130 I would say “good for you” but 153 is beyond the “getting crazy” line, sorry for you 🙂 !
As for GPP, granted they should communicate at least once per week, but I fully understand when handling big sums of money, like in commodity trading, it is quite normal to keep things secret between partners, please do not ask why, just look into the mirror and ask whether you can trust yourself!
Comment by EXTAN — 9th May 2008 @ 1:31 pm
FFS Extan’s answers NEVER make sense.
Maybe we should all try the same illegal substances he seems to be abusing to see the positive side of GPP. 😛
Comment by Jason — 9th May 2008 @ 2:59 pm
“Maybe we should all try the same illegal substances he seems to be abusing to see the positive side of GPP.”
Monkey dung? Which coincidentally also serves as good characterization of GPP’s program.
Comment by JH — 9th May 2008 @ 5:16 pm
Extan,
just proving a point that you made! If this blog is so bad why are you still here?
Comment by Blade68 — 9th May 2008 @ 8:41 pm
I do not believe that there is much valuable info comin from EXTAN anymore. If he was one to have done all of these time intensive activities, he probably would not be here pumping up this scam! Extan, stick to the subject. We all do not care to hear about your ficticious ramblings…
Is the GPP site still directing funds to these one way internet banks?
Who else has reviewed any of these other Global related scams… The insurance scam, the additional RPPs, and others. Of course we all now know that none of them have paid out. NOT one…Anywhere.
I’m still angry that such scammers would continue to steal monies, and have others to wait and wait and wait on the gold at the end of the rainbow. These scammers have no consideration for others.
MikeCeck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th May 2008 @ 10:08 pm
If I were EXTAN, when my IQ hit 75 I would sell. Mike, of course none of these pay out. They aren’t real in the first place. They just take a little truth, package it around a mediocre story line, pass it off as being real, and sit back and rake in the cash from gullible people. As for the promoter’s, I think their biggest reward is the ego stroking they get from the people they dupe into joining these programs. They get to play important, when they are not; they get to sound like sage and wise investors, when they are not; in short they get to pretend to be someone they are not, but would love to be. All with the use of a keyboard and mouse.
Think about it. You have over 100,000 people sending cash to an unknown entity, with no address, phone number, or who is running it through illegal Internet banks and a Latvian trio who can’t sing; but it is real. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 9th May 2008 @ 10:49 pm
Eagle,
You speak the truth my friend. No info at all and obtaining these large amounts of money! Truly incredible! I suspect that this initial word of moth action is what partially drive such schemes. Initially you hear of such a great deal. Another plays in because the deal is too good to miss!
The money is sent in, as not to miss this deal then it’s all over! Research may be done afterwards, but it’s too late by then!
MikeCheck
Amazing!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th May 2008 @ 10:59 pm
Hi again!I’m sorry if you get me wrong,you know who i’m talking to!of course you think every one is un idiot if doesn’t speak IN.well,never mind if you IQ is what it is,i don’t care!.I speak 6 languages and trying to learn this one too and perhaps you should not think that everybody here have to in a perfect way.I’m getting from every blog of diferent countries information and this is the only one that you get insults and nothing else,only a few people here have the right actitute and whan’t information too,not garvage!.Extan,thanks for the coment,you know…my child even ask me why?,are you sure you are not talking now about your self again?because you allways do and you should know that every one here thinks that you are a patetic child who wanna get atencion and is the only one here who is talking about craap.Get a life,a real one and don’t dream to much about it like you do with Gpp!.ROKKA!oletko oikeasti suomalainen?olen kyllä ylpeä sun kirjeistä!.
Comment by SALT — 10th May 2008 @ 1:15 am
Hi all!
Stopped reading the blog weeks ago because of all the repetition and personal imputation in the postings.
So still the same old song…every now and then being hand-fed by “stellas so called news”…
What a depressing atmosphere…
Better days!
Comment by Socke — 10th May 2008 @ 9:44 am
SALT,
Kyllä,ihan pesunkestävä suomalainen olen. Vaikkakin ulkomailla olen tällä hetkellä.
But now back to english, since it’s the language used in this blog. My apologies to Ben.
Found some funny stuff from swedish site promoting RPPs, and this one just cracked me up, this was directed to participants of GPP:
GPP members:
1. Need to remain calm. If GPP fails it will not be because of Stella, or the trust partners,or the insurance co but because of the actual members.Why? Because members over the past couple of weeks have been going bananas.They are calling banks looking for their own “solutions” to recieve their gpp funds and things of the nature. There was an influx of hundreds or even thousands of GPP members calling European banks doing the exact same thing that I have mentioned above. What is the result? 2 swiss banks basically will not do anything for GPP members, and people are starting to become suspicious, and some police are even conducting their own investigations. The question is do we want GPP to succeed or don’t we? By the looks of it,
with the negative comments and B.S. I would say we want the later. And then when all is said and done, and GPP members were the reason for the downfall of the program we will lift up our hands and say “SEE…I TOLD YOU NOTHING WILL COME OF THIS!!”
It’s quite smart to scam people out of their money and then blame the fall of the scam on the scammed people. When GPP fails, I bet this is what EXTAN is going to say. It was because of these negative comments on this blog and others and because of the members not staying positive, after all “stella” tried her best 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 10th May 2008 @ 10:57 am
That’s standard operating procedure for these scams Rokka – to blame the members when things start looking dicey.
Comment by JH — 10th May 2008 @ 8:06 pm
JH, I know and sad thing is that, some people actually believe this bs and do blame themselves. And then they the next one that comes along, and they believe that it really works this time around…
Comment by Rokka — 10th May 2008 @ 8:30 pm
Rokka: What is even funnier is that Stella told them they would have to have their own banking solution. Then when the people did what Stella told them to do, then GPP started complaining about them doing it. What a riot. When this fails, they will do it one of two ways: As you said, blame the membership for making it fail (pick a reason); or they will just disappear. It will depend on how close they think the authorities are to unmasking them as to which way they do this.
I don’t see this running past the end of this month, but they might make it through June before it all ends. It will depend on how many more policies they can sell before closing up shop, or without the authorities catching up to them. You can bet they have one eye on the authorities and one foot out the door just in case.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th May 2008 @ 9:24 pm
They will disappear on the 21st of October and the payout maybe payed or not. Who knows? That is the cut off for there site subscription to be finished.(or what eva the name for a web site is) Maybe you can help me find the right word for it Ben.
A friend of mine told me this a long time ago. She seen it on there site somewhere. It so happened to be her birthday and She took it as a sign to join up. Now she feels silly, cause it seems that this is just afars. Sad Face Icon Insert HERE->
Comment by Who Cares — 11th May 2008 @ 2:03 am
what no pay out yet?????
it’s your fault…LOL
Comment by busting gut — 11th May 2008 @ 3:14 am
Eagle,
I’m as surprised for the non-existent payout as you are.
We all know that “stella” is doing her best in this cruel world. She’s like a modern day Don Quiote, fighting the wind mills that is the whole economic system, and the world. Stella is trying to bring some positive things and hope in to peoples lives, by turning 30€ into 55000€. Just like some guy did some few thousands years ago by turning water into wine.
It’s just those unfaithful members of GPP, who don’t believe in “stella” and GPP, and then screw it up for everybody else. Good for GPP, that there’s still those who are strong in faith, guess we all know who I’m talking about 🙂
And true believers will wait for the second coming of the GPP and “stella”, in the form of payout…
(hope you can sense the sarcasm in my writing…)
Comment by Rokka — 11th May 2008 @ 10:27 am
Yeah you right!!Don quijote is a good one!!Lol.You see what you want to..Only perhaps isn’t healty for any one.I must say that a lot of people,in countres where social matters are not well,have participate in that scam and do wait what ever it takes,that makes me feel so bad about it,gpp dit it so well and get all this people that evend have a chance to get informacion about what they are investing.I know that to much people may think that is not for us,yes that’s right,but they don’t got a chance.That’s why i think this scam have to be finish and get cut.I’m imprest how can so much people of other blocs from other countries,are sure about gpp is a gold mine,i read they post and ask them,why do you think so?no one can’t tell me why…
Yes,in many countries gpp is ilegal and is allready police taken care of that matter,i’m happy about it.
Hi socke and wellcome too,you leave the house and turn back here like me!see you next month!=)
Comment by salt — 11th May 2008 @ 9:12 pm
Very interesting… I was wondering what they’d be saying as they skipped town! Good one… It’s the members fault!! What a scam! Why would anyones calling about money disturb a valid company from doing business? I’d just would have to day, because it is not valid!!!
A good scam! Yea, $40.00 can’t hurt! yea, 55K afterwards?! Guess that spells SCAM! Yea, said this a hundred times at least. Hope it prevents further sign ups. I can’t believe that there are actually people signing up!!
Come on computer tech’s let’s find these clowns! They operate well behind these servers w/ bogus who is information,free servers, free mail, and whatever else that is practically untraceable. There is mistake somewhere. Let’s hp[e that we find it before they make their soon to come get away!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 12th May 2008 @ 6:59 am
Amazing comments… blade68 you are right, I’m trying to wean myself off this blog, in my matric class the teacher once said “in this class we have someone that has the highest IQ in this school we ever had” sure I must have been the most stupid guy ever, because everyone looked at me?
Anyway, GPP can go anyway, pay out or run away, but why are they still there??? To collect discount 10 Euros??? It does not make sense!
So if this is no explanation of my logic, ask Einstein what he thinks!
Comment by EXTAN — 12th May 2008 @ 9:12 am
EXTAN: Gee, now you have the highest IQ of anyone your school has ever had. Now that leaves so many options available for an explanation, none of which would really flatter you like you intended for it to impress us with this piece of news. Just as an example, if the highest IQ in your school previously was 75, and you had an IQ of 80, not as impressive as it sounded at first blush now is it? But at least you still had the highest IQ of anyone in your school. I can’t wait for you to tell us you did your own surgery on yourself. Gee, I hope I didn’t steal your thunder for your next post.
Now we have gone from being a rah-rah supporter to wishy-washy again. You have got to stop trying to play both sides of the fence. None of us are buying it anymore. First they will; then they won’t; then maybe; back to they will; then they won’t; and now maybe. You keep changing positions more frequently than some people change socks.
As to why they haven’t run: THEY ARE STILL GETTING PEOPLE TO SEND THEM MONEY. It makes no difference it is only in $10 or Euros increments. Why would they run when they still are getting payments for their retirement fund? Surely someone with the highest IQ in their school’s history would be able to deduct that, even if your IQ was only 80.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th May 2008 @ 10:05 am
Extan, if it doesn’t make sense to you why scammers are still taking money, it just shows that your school didn’t have very high average level of IQ. Just wondering how were the others in your school if you were the smartest 🙂 Your logic never fails, it’s same nonsense as always. Just read what Eagle wrote in his post, if you have the brain capacity to comprehend it, and then comment here again. If it was too difficult to understand, I can sum it up for you: GPP=scam, you=Dumb.
Comment by Rokka — 12th May 2008 @ 10:59 am
Sorry your comments let me fall of my chair, the average IQ is 100 and the Deutsch Hochschule Swakopmund (then) had top teachers from Germany and maybe you know that the Germans still fork out the most patents in the world. My uncle had the best matric results in Namibia, so maybe it runs in the family or probably not? Many more examples, medical doctors, etc.!! Just hate me…
Still remember when the USA tried to put up the first rockets that barely topped the trees before crashing down until Wernher von Braun helped them to get going? Sprechen sie Deutsch then droppen sie dead, jealously everywhere!!
Anyway no use to talk about GPP, we have here a selection of super high IQ’s that are simply scam promoters. Have a good day!
Comment by EXTAN — 12th May 2008 @ 3:21 pm
EXTAN: It is nice to know that you are a Super High IQ scammer. Now there’s an oxymoron. I think the government of Namibia has made a grave error. They need to get you and your uncle to take over, and all the country’s problems will be solved. Just think, all that genius going to waste. You need to stop playing with GPP and use all that talent of yours for good. Namibia needs you.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th May 2008 @ 5:07 pm
EXTAN,
I agree that you are a scam promoter. What comes to high IQ, I have my doubts about that one.
Eagle, How do we know that EXTAN isn’t already using the money he scammed with GPP for the benefit of the namibian people : )
My opinion is, if you just look at the whole GPP-thing and how it’s suppose to work, you don’t have to be a rocket scientist to notice that it’s a scam. I mean, somebody who you don’t know antyhing about, turns your 30euros into 55000euros just like that, give me a break…
I’m just stating the obvious, now it’s EXTANs turn to come up with some self appraisal and conspiracy theories…
Comment by Rokka — 12th May 2008 @ 7:04 pm
EXTAN
let me clear up something that your super IQ cannot seem to comprehend: A scammer is someone ripping someone else off, just like gpp. A scam promoter is therefore someone who promotes the said ripping off.
Most of us here are trying to stop the scam, therefore we are scam busters. On the other hand, you EXTAN are the scam promoter!
Comment by Blade68 — 12th May 2008 @ 8:54 pm
Extan,
If this is a valid company, could you tell us of your knowledge of this being something that will pay out?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 12th May 2008 @ 9:36 pm
Just a couple of observations. Isn’t it odd that EXTAN claims he is superior at math, but is not good at business. Kind of an oxymoron isn’t it?
You have a lot of “Promoters” of GPP that have numerous cease and desist orders against them. Especially promoting some of the biggest scams in the last few years. Not exactly the kind of people that gives your business a ringing positive endorsement now is it.
But it is so refreshing to know that GPP is real. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 13th May 2008 @ 6:21 am
We also wonder why on earth does Stella not post a single line regularly: “hi there, dear members, we are still here, just wait a little more” then at least we know that we have to wait a little more :-). Guess human behaviour is all about good -IQ and -street knowledge. GPP needs to be more professional, but as long as they will pay out ASAP we will forgive them!!!!
About Namibia, or Angola or even our msd up SA, it would be rasist not to tell that everything goes absolutely wonderful, in particular in Zimbabwe… a classic case. The world logic is upside down, the poorest have the most kids and then they will have the majority votes, democracy perfectly F-Up! About my uncle, he was driving an ambulance in WW2 and a horrible Englishmen shot 25% of his brain to bits. Eventually he re-learned everything and then he was still above average, makes you think?
Actually good health is the most important in our lives!
Comment by EXTAN — 13th May 2008 @ 11:02 am
“Stella” doesn’t have to give any updates or tell anyone anything.
And “she” knows this.
None of the GPP members can trace Stella, and no-one has any chance of ever getting their money back because all payments were taken through an irreversible payment method.
The only reason you occasionally hear anything from GPP is because they are still drawing in money from the more stupid people that live in this world.
Once people stop buying policies, this scheme will disappear.
Biggest, most lucrative scam I have ever seen.
Comment by Ben — 13th May 2008 @ 11:11 am
Ben you certainly got a point, but if I try to analyse Stella, very difficult person, maybe she is the perfect women scammer (for that she needs to be more clever) or she is just “a real women” one of her esoteric kind, just doing it in her own way, I don’t think GPP can gain much from receiving 10 Euro bills x say 20000 or less?
I have not spent a cent on GPP, got sponsored, but I’m still prepared to wait for the payout, because I think “she is just doing it in her strange way”. Just imagine if that is the case and we get a payout, how much hope there will be for our rotten mankind!
Comment by EXTAN — 13th May 2008 @ 2:17 pm
EXTAN, has it ever occurred to you that stella might not be a woman at all? It’s really easy to pretend to be something you’re not on the internet. People can boast about their achievements and capabilities, when nobody knows who you really are. This is the reason why these scams are getting popular, you can stay anonymous and still people are willing to give money for some false hope of getting rich quick. Then scammers take the money and vanish. Most people reading this blog have realised this long time ago, but some have yet not come to terms with reality. People hopefully will soon get the true nature of reverse pension plans: SCAM. Anybody can feel free to correct me if i’m wrong, but none of the RPPs have actually said out, not one. Now why is that, if they are so good business opportunities(according to sites promoting them)?
Comment by Rokka — 13th May 2008 @ 4:06 pm
I’d say that 200,000 Euro over a few months, on top of whatever else they’ve made, for just putting up a web site and writing a few emails now and then is a prety good deal. Much, much more than most who are sending the money will ever make.
As far as any “pay out ASAP” maybe you haven’t noticed that they’re already 5 months late with no end in sight. Ben’s right… as long as people are sending them free money there’s no reason to do anything other than sit back and take it.
Comment by JH — 13th May 2008 @ 4:12 pm
Just to correct my typo, i meant to say none of the RPPs have yet, to date, PAID out anything. So, I can agree with Ben, 200k€ is good money for dragging this scam along for few months more. Because it really doesn’t seem to take much effort…
Comment by Rokka — 13th May 2008 @ 4:24 pm
This notion that a payout of $55,000 is going to do so much for humanity is psycho-babble. If GPP were real, most of the people getting this money would be in deeper debt within 6 months than they already are. People who have never handled a relatively large amount of money don’t know how to manage it. They just think they do. The statistics aren’t with them.
It has been shown that 95% of all lottery winners are either dead broke, filed for bankruptchy, or are in even worse debt than they were before they received their windfall lottery winnings. Only 5% live within their means, seek the advice of professionals to help them invest their money, and can live off their winnings for life. That is the sad reality of life. Actually if GPP were real, the percentage with GPP would be closer to 98% in that category.
I still find it inconceivable that people think they can give 35 Euros to a totally anonymous so-called group, and this annonymous group is going to give them 55,000 Euro’s; but only if you are not a member of law enforcement or employed by a government agency, and many of your major promoters all have had cease and desist orders out the yang-yang. Yep, sure sounds legit to me.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th May 2008 @ 12:50 am
Ha! The actual consideration of Stella actually being one woman running Billions is too incredulous to believe. They reall think that we are stupid. Well looks like they actually got one over on hundreds, perhaps tousands of people…
This scheme reminds me ofa show that I saw on Dateline, a indepth news show on the topic of catching such theives. This one was specifically targeting African scammers using stolen credit cards sending merchandise overseas… The people that they have duped, are in love with a “vision” of a possible love. They would then send the mercahdise to Africa.
The news crew went to africa to meet these scammers. It was funny to se the reactions of these clowns when they got busted! One dude HAULED it, down the road! Thought that he was trying out for the olymics in a suit! The other dude was lying a big lie! Told them that they knew what they were doing and was relieved when he found out that he was not getting arrested!
This sounds like GPP. A scam if I ever heard of it. Considering all of these African cons, targeting Americans, people liking in the UK, etc. I think that this is such a scam. Only strictly cash, not dealing with the movement of merchandise. This one is so much easier!
No RPPs ever paid out! That’s a red flare right there!
The Stellas really pulled it off! Aparently continuing to do so. Let’s be real… What kind of real business is going to be so rediculously badly run by any real management,and make Millions, very much less Billions?!?!! Then again this scheme may have produced a couple of Million for the scammers.
Extan,
Have you ever heard of such a scam (Not GPP, but the other one I mentioned)?
A shame that anyone would take advantage of others this way.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 14th May 2008 @ 4:03 am
Well you may be right or not, it is a bit like Russian roulette, but I still like to believe in the basic good in some humans, else there is no hope for us. But in general it is best to either work hard for your money or to rob the bank. Nigerians are the masters of clever scams!
Have a good day!!
Comment by EXTAN — 14th May 2008 @ 9:26 am
EXTAN,
That was the smartest thing you said in a long time. I’d like to believe in the basic good in human, but I find it harder and harder to do nowadays. If you didn’t notice, these scammers are counting on these positive people, because they make the easiest target for them.
And what comes to making money, I think it’s better to work honestly for a living. Robbing a bank is not the way to go, too much risk of getting caught. if one doesn’t mind committing a crime, maybe a internet scam would be a way to go. Let’s say, reverse pension plan-scheme sounds good, if one wants to make few million with little risk of getting caught.
I think I’ve seen it happen somewhere.
Hmm, now where was that, and what was the name of that scam… 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 14th May 2008 @ 10:12 am
I’ve jsut read from another blog where Stella actually wrote something… Imagine that! You all should see the ramblings explaing how we have to wait! Goodness this is just hilarious! Goes on to tell us about some partner for the banking solution. Oh, did I mention that she could not tell us who it is, or where they are located!
You tell me if something sounds wrong here….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 14th May 2008 @ 11:38 pm
mikecheck
which blog was that you read
Comment by jacko — 15th May 2008 @ 8:38 am
Guess must have been someone imitating Stella, but she cannot complain that people get angry when she and GPP keeps quiet too long. All good words in a long letter will then make people wonder what GPP is really planning. Did not change my positive stance, people say I am negative, just being critical 🙂
Comment by EXTAN — 15th May 2008 @ 11:57 am
Extan,
Are you saying that Stella wont respond to us at all? How would you know if it’s someone else. Why wouldn’t she correct the imitator?
Jacko… I’ll be right with you on that site. Should have put it there in the first place. Truly a good laugh (although lies are not funny).
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 15th May 2008 @ 8:24 pm
NOTHING NEW FROM GPP?
Comment by salt — 15th May 2008 @ 10:42 pm
Salt, look into the GPP forum Swedish section.
Comment by snartmor — 15th May 2008 @ 11:49 pm
I’ll get you all the additional info on this scam. Note how this Stella keeps away from sites that she gets busted on. Amazing, this scam has gone all over the world! Amazing.
Why does she not post here anymore? She did… More I think of it… Maybe it wasn’t “her” after all. Think of it.. If this is handling cash form all over the world, I absolutely must be a whole team of people enjoying free (tax free) income.
I have got to say that this insult of another delay is outrageous! I mean, I know it’s a scam, but it angers me further that they have the gaul to continue obtaining monies form those around the world!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 16th May 2008 @ 3:07 am
Stella never posted here. That was Extan/eXtaN/EXTAn (whatever) as Ben showed by looking at the IP addresses of the posts.
Comment by JH — 16th May 2008 @ 3:32 am
JH, are you ok, I have nothing to do with Stella, my lovely girlfriend is much better, we are just waiting for the money, that’s all. Stella posted something in their forum, guess nothing new.
Comment by EXTAN — 16th May 2008 @ 10:37 am
Where is everybody, when will we organize a party with all the money left over from GPP? I’ll bring the coke, the beer and the brandy. Stella and Co. will also be invited so you can all thank them for letting us wait forever…
Enjoy your weekend!
Comment by EXTAN — 16th May 2008 @ 12:13 pm
You got to hand it to Stella and GPP. They know how to keep the faithful, well faithful by still more promises. One day in the way distant future, they will allow the members to update their profiles. I especially loved this comment from Stella, and I quote: “This happens on the very last week we accept more members! I will give you a few days notice!” Don’t you just love the finite of this statement. As long as they think they can avoid the authorities finding them, they will never stop accepting new suckers, err fish, err ‘members.’ So keep on buying those policies so this will never end. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 16th May 2008 @ 6:03 pm
Eagle,
I’ll tell you… This she just lie to EVERYONE or what!!! If you let someone borrow 20 bucks then the next week, they had not paid you, when they said the next day… One would not be too happy and would probably not loan that person any more money… Well here, we are not loaning money but have been expecting payment for months, and months!!! I’d hate to think that someone would be stupid enough to give up additional funds. Eagle, as you mentioned however, this sadly is/has happened already!
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Extan,
If what JH is saying about you IP address is not the same, why/how did that happen? I recall having this conversation earlier. I actually believe that you are/were acting as Stella, be it the real one or not.
I’d like to know that if you know Stella as you stated, why would you insult her to say that she was “not as good” as your girlfriend? Be it true or not, is that anyway to insult your friend? Guess that it does not hurt to bad to insult an imaginary friend….
Am I wrong? If so, what’s the deal w/ the IP address being the same?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 17th May 2008 @ 1:24 am
CAN YOU ALL BELIEVE THIS CRAP!!!!
They are acting like they are still in the middle of the completion of this plan!
So now, if you don’t believe that this is a scam, know it now! Let’s find these clowns! They are starting all over again to steal money. Yes, starting all over! They seem not to be afraid of getting caught AT ALL!
Dig this!
http://www.thegreennation.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4309&pid=45223&mode=threaded&start=
Comments?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th May 2008 @ 1:56 am
Mike:
This was a post from May of 2007, not this year. The last post I see being made in this forum about GPP was in August 2007. Maybe I missed something, but I did not see any other posts by Zeus or Chicosan.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th May 2008 @ 4:18 am
Mike you need help from a shrink, I did not post as Stella, what utter nonsense. Have a good week sulking as usual!
Comment by Extan — 18th May 2008 @ 7:58 pm
Extan: You need to help EXTAN, extan and extant with their English. They are not as fluent as you. Hmmmmmm, Now I wonder why that is? But keep on insisting that you are all one and the same. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 18th May 2008 @ 8:31 pm
Extan,
I’m sorry my friend… I did no sulking this weekend. A shrink? Well, they can be expensive! Wait a minute I’d be able to pay for it w/ GPP! … Wait there is no money coming from GPP, so I guess that I’ll not look for one. OK enough of that for today…
I hope that I’m not be insulting, but you still did not address the IP addresses.
Eagle, everyone,
I guess that I did not pay attention to this date. In that respect I guess that I can’t infer too much about their preparation for additional stealing (based on the policies needed from last September). Given this however, last year, I do recall the questioning of the validity of this program.
Ha, at this point however, let me not sound as if I believe in this sham!
Question… What ever happened to Zeus or Chicosan?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th May 2008 @ 2:07 am
As to Zeus and Chicosan, good question. I had heard that Chicosan is still around on a few forums, but not as many as before. Zeus I have not heard his whereabouts, but I am sure he is also still around. Zeus was more of a wait and see attitude, while Chicosan was a major promoter of GPP. Thus why Zeus may not be posting that much. Still, that is just my best guestimate. Maybe Zeus will post here and fill us in.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th May 2008 @ 5:36 am
I have not been here for a few weeks. Nothing changed. Same rude comments. Same negativity. Why do you waste your time? If people want to gamble, let them. The horse sometimes comes in first. Sometimes he drops out. Take it or leave it. There are loads of other similar offers. Are they the same as GPP?
Comment by Angie — 19th May 2008 @ 9:39 am
Angie,
Answer to your question, yes. They’re all same kind of scams as GPP.
How many RPPs have paid out so far? Number is zero. And none will.
How does it help to stay positive if it’s so obviously a scam? Like thinking positive is going to change anything when scammers decide to pull the plug…
Mike,
Maybe you should ask extans help, wasn’t one of his many talents vast knowledge of human behaviour? Hey, the guy is almost a professional psychiatrist, among lots of other things 🙂
Read some funny stuff on one finnish forum, one finnish GPP promoter
named Matti Karsama, had sent his “downline” a message saying that:
“If you still want to buy additional policies or add new members to GPP, please note that I have closed my bank account. Ask me for additional info how to deliver the payment for your policy”.
This Matti was one of those no-show speakers for finnsh GPP-event, and one of the GPP promoters who, after the finnish NBI started investigating GPP, removed everything about GPP from his website. And he was also a alledgely a sponsor for Wincapita, the 100mil.euro ponzi-scheme that came under investigation by NBI. My guess is that he didn’t close the bank account, but police did. It was reported in finnish media, that bank accounts had been frozen in this Wincapita-scheme, probably Mattis was one of them .
So, scammers are having hard time in Finland. But still it doesn’t stop them from receiving payments for GPP as long as there is someone
dumb enough to pay.
Comment by Rokka — 19th May 2008 @ 11:19 am
Ok Mike maybe I was just pulling your legs, hope EagleOne will agree to my rotten English, I’m just busy to modify a good Irish Vacuum cleaner, make it even more efficient and easier to clean, it sucks like crazy only 1050W, bought a Chinese unit it said 2200W, WOW and I measured only 952W so I got the money back, what a scam, which I cannot invest into GPP! Gpp’s payout date is getting closer, just be paaaaaiiiiiieeeetient!!
Comment by EXTAN — 19th May 2008 @ 1:46 pm
Extan,
Are you sure you didn’t get some electric shock while modifying your vacuum cleaner? Reading your posts would imply something like that happened 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 19th May 2008 @ 4:08 pm
Angie: Just a comment in regard to your statement, and I quote: “If people want to gamble, let them. The horse sometimes comes in first. Sometimes he drops out.” let me offer you this observation.
When you gamble, you have a chance of winning. When you bet on a horse in a horse race, there was a horse in the race. Whether he wins, drops out, or where he finishes is not the issue. This is not the same as gambling, horse racing, or any other type of gambling. This was a con. With GPP there never was any policy, nor will there be. In short, you just gave someone your money on the “illusion” there was a policy. In short they lied to you, stole your money, and as far as you are concerned it is no big deal they did so; it was just ganbling. Exactly what GPP knew you would think, and why they knew they could get away with stealing everyone’s money. Wonder how you would feel if it had been $350 instead of $35. Still think it would have been just a gamble?
Comment by EagleOne — 19th May 2008 @ 5:59 pm
All these negative comments. I know everyone has there own opinion and if people want too invest (throw there money away) its up too them. If GPP does payout eventually good luck to everyone who is in it. The time will come when people will stop paying for additional policies ans something will have to happen one way or the other. My advice too all is too stop buying and too see what happens this will be the only way anyone will really know if this program will payout. My parting comment too all involved is good luck too you all .
Comment by Viv — 19th May 2008 @ 6:02 pm
Gee, the talents of EXTAN, extan, extant, Extan just keep on coming. Must be up to 30 per name, and growing every week. Funny, but the one thing that any of the them are not good at is business. Yet, he assures us GPP will soon pay out. I thought GPP was a business? Kind of ironic don’t you think?
Comment by EagleOne — 19th May 2008 @ 6:05 pm
Good question from Eagleone, what if “adminstrational fee” would have been €300 instead of €30? Would you still wait and be patient? Would you still believe blindly that “stella” didn’t just take the money and ran…
Comment by Rokka — 19th May 2008 @ 8:33 pm
Viv: I guess you missed it, but there is no “investment” going on here contrary to what you think. When you “invest” there is a chance of receiving a return for your investment. GPP stole your money. There is no “investment,” no matter how much they pretend there is. Sure glad you don’t mind having your money stolen from you; or throwing your money away.
But go ahead, call GPP and ask them how your “investment” is doing. Oops, can’t call, so drop them a line. Oops can’t write them either. Yep, sure sounds like a legitimate program to me.
So since you don’t mind and enjoy throwing your money away, let me give you my PayPal account number. Then you can throw your money away to me. The only difference is I won’t pretend to offer you any “investment” for you to send it to me. Don’t want to do it? Why not? At least I was honest about it, unlike GPP.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th May 2008 @ 11:37 pm
I have to ask the true believers…. Why do you believe that this will pay out? What prooof has been shown? I’m truly curious in that there has been absolutely NOTHING proving any investment, any anything!
Do you really believe in a company that hides from the investors? Let’s think about this… Have you ever… I mean EVER, heard of any company who does not give you ANY information as to what is happening with your investment dollars?
On that same note, what kind of company has no phone number! As for any valid business, I dare you to name one…Just one that does not have a phone number!!!! True believers, do you have an example?
I unfortunately have to conclude that either you are hoping against hope that the money rolls due to the amount you may have invested, or more likely, a part of the scam itself. Am I wrong? Again, I expect no response as usual… Suprise me…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th May 2008 @ 3:32 am
No electric shock, wonder what Stella will write next time, because now will come the crunch, i.e do or die!! For the VC which had a “car paper filter” (good idea) I made a wider steel cage (bigger surface area to suck) over which a dust proof cloth bag with a top rubber band is pulled. Just fun to play around until GPP pays out. Then we can buy a recliner and tan on the beach 🙂 ! Very busy here at work too!!
Comment by EXTAN — 20th May 2008 @ 9:17 am
Extan, well its good to see you’re having fun waiting for GPP to pay out. Because it’s going to be a long wait, I think the possible pay out is happening same time as the hell freezes over. “Stella” is just buying time with his updates, and some idiots are actually believing them. By the way, which were those countries that deemed GPP as legit? You mentioned that such countries exist, but failed to name them. But anyways, have a nice, productive day at work 😉
Comment by Rokka — 20th May 2008 @ 11:09 am
EagleOne: Never said I invested just good luck to those who did. What you think I am stupid.
Comment by Viv — 20th May 2008 @ 5:52 pm
Viv: No I do not think you are stupid, nor do I believe those who joined GPP are stupid either. They were ignorant, gullible, or both; but not stupid. Glad to hear you didn’t join, but this notion that it was just a gamble or like playing the lottery fascinates me. When you gamble or play the lottery, you know the odds, but you can win. With GPP you were willingly giving your money away on the “promise” of getting a windfall payment. The problem was, there is no windfall payment. It is just stealing. No comparison at all.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th May 2008 @ 7:12 pm
What you said was right on the money, eagle. If you play lottery, gamble or bet on horses, at least there is a chance to win, no matter how small are the odds. In GPPs case the lottery is cancelled, deck of cards is rigged and the horse is dead, but they’ll still taking bets with no intension of returning them. And to viv, you said it all, about investing in GPP: “what you think i’m stupid”.
Comment by Rokka — 20th May 2008 @ 7:45 pm
Yes, I’ve been saying the same thing for Months now! This is stealing, not a game of chance.
We’ve all been duped! I am so happy for those who did not join! As I mentioned, joining was through the exciting words of a friend who exclaimed that this was such a great deal! Free money! Yea, Right.
I just want to prevent others from joining in their scam. If you’ll have noticed… No GPP rep. has said anything to us other than “Wait, it’s coming”. The only thing that’s coming is thier leaving with our cash, never to be seen again (if they can get away with it).
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 21st May 2008 @ 3:30 am
I am not a supporter…. but how did you all think this money would be deposited to your accounts???
what bank is going to cash that cheque for 110,000????
and even if they did they would hold it forever.
don’t you think the tax man would be more that ready to take at least 46% of that money.
The problems they are facing could be real….real if this was real..LOL
that kind of money being deposited to any account is going to set off a few red flags.
turn out the lights…blow out that candle..put the final nail in that pine box because the fat lady has sung..there is no pot of gold at the end of this rainbow.
forget about it
Comment by busting gut — 21st May 2008 @ 5:08 am
Found this exchange on another forum to be quite interesting, and I quote: “Originally Posted by EagleTwo
I was not putting any meaning into what I said, I was asking what others impression was of Stella’s comment. But your post is confusing. I thought the new memberships were closed once 100,000 members were reached; and the additional policies were only for the 100,000 members to purchase not new members.
You’re partly right. New memberships will be accepted until the end of this month. The reason is quite simple. They need 100,000 “qualified” members.
There’s going to be quite a few who just will not send in their ID, consepuently
they need more thn 100,000 to fill this. Any member can buy additional new policies, but they all do not have to be sold to complete this program. Chicosan”
Now what I found most interesting is that “New Memberships” are still being taken until the end of this month so they have their 100,000
“qualified” members. I thought they had way more than 100,000 to meet this criteria, isn’t that right EXTAN, Extan, extan, extant. So whichever one of the Extan’s wants to answer, I would greatly appreciate it. Besides, Chicosan keeps saying if it isn’t from Stella it isn’t true. Well, anyone have a posting of Stella explaining and saying this?
Comment by EagleOne — 21st May 2008 @ 7:35 pm
Everyone, though long, I think that this is worth a read:
Yes, very interesting. So they need 100,000 qualified members. Well I’d say that this $40.00 qualifies them pretty well I’ll say. GPP Scammers, just look at this… If there were members who didn’t provide whatever information that you needed (to perform ID theft), you’d still have the money needed to perform this transaction.
No other new members are needed! The pensions should be paid. That was really a scammy action that they pulled.
Lets look at a simplified example of the crap they are trying to pull on us:
Lets say that we need 10 members pay $1 to get $100.
8 members paid $1 and have their IDs sent in.
2 members paid $1 but have not sent in their ID.
So,
They take additional members on.
5 more members come in and pay $1 after the close.
Now doesn’t something seem wrong?
Yes, there is something wrong. In this scenario, they have obtained $15. 5 dollars more than necessary to fulfill the original contract.
Question:
1) What happens to the 2 member’s money that did not provide the ID
2) How do the 5 new members get any benefit from a closed program?
3) I think that these 5 new members expect to get the $100. The same amount of money that people who have been waiting 2 yrs for.
Makes you think…
Makes me think…no, makes me know it’s a scam!!!!!
I surely invite someone to show me otherwise with this GPP scam! I can’t wait for an answer on this, if any of the GPP scammers so dare.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd May 2008 @ 2:44 am
No bank in the world will touch GPP with a ten foot pole…
So how is anyone going to get paid out????
Most of the money you dumb members have sent in has been used to cut through red tape.
They are trying to set up their own bank…but this is going to take a very long time…
Comment by busting gut — 22nd May 2008 @ 4:50 am
They’re not setting up any bank. lol They’re busy out spending the money.
They MIGHT come up with some bogus shell that they’ll call a “bank” to buy a little more time while people are still sending money but at best it will be equal to First Oceanic, SSIB, or one of the other psuedo-banks that they used earlier.
Comment by JH — 22nd May 2008 @ 6:02 am
a lot of hogwash on this blog and there is only one extan, Ben knows that, I used to post here to keep me busy but now I have a lot do do, more interesting, because this blog leads to nothing!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 22nd May 2008 @ 12:56 pm
Extan, why do you think this blog leads to nothing? If one searches for info about GPP, this site comes up quite often. Ben sure made a good report about GPP and comments on this blog have been excellent, excluding yours. Since you’re so sure GPP is going to pay out, why don’t you just answer to some of the questions posted to you? With your super intelligence, it shouldn’t be a problem. And what comes to a banking solution, maybe they should ask Tom Sornes, I think he has a bank of his own from previous sca-, sorry,I mean, businesses. Then this GPP would have all the known scandinavian scammers included. I don’t know for other countries, but here in Finland GPP is being promoted by people who are up to their neck in multilevel marketing, pyramid schemes,forex scams and other suspicious “get rich quick”-schemes. Now, if that doesn’t set the alarms off, then what will?Don’t know if this going on also elsewhere, but at least one of the finnish scammers made some money with GPP by charging his own additional fee for registering people to GPP. I think it was something like 12€. So, his downline is actually being scammed twice. That’s actually quite interesting situation. This guy is for sure going to blame GPP for being a scam when it goes belly up. So, he just saw an opportunity to make his own little scam on the side of a bigger scam, and he even has somebody else to take the blame. There really is no honor among thieves…
Comment by Rokka — 22nd May 2008 @ 2:15 pm
EXTAN: I found your post, and I quote: “a lot of hogwash on this blog and there is only one extan, Ben knows that, I used to post here to keep me busy but now I have a lot do do, more interesting, because this blog leads to nothing!!!” very telling.
Here’s the translation. Of course there is only one EXTAN, Extan, extan, extant posting. But that does not mean there is only one of you. It is so easy to C&P and then paste the comments here, and from the same ISP address. While you say all of you are only one, the posts prove otherwise; or I guess your English comes and goes. Come to think of it, just like Stella. Your sister?
As to your latter part, when all you have is “trust me,” “it will pay out,” “Stella would not lie to us,” “it takes time to do this,” and all your other happy face statements; makes it hard to keep trying to defend this scam. You, just like all the other GPP supporters, eventually you all run for the hills because you cannot take the heat. You have not been able to answer one question with any kind of facts, yet you demand ‘facts’ from anyone challenging the validity of GPP. When the facts are presented, you result to name-calling. It is always a means to deflect criticism from GPP to the person challenging GPP.
I guess you thought by your regaling all of us with your 500 accomplishments (and growing), as well as your self-proclaimed genius, we would all be wooed and accept your statements GPP will pay out. You can kiss that thought goodbye, which you now seem to have realized.
Whether or not you stay or leave is up to you, but when you cannot defend your position that is when you fold up shop and run. Actually I am quite amused at all your stories of how brilliant and smart you are, all the things you can do, but most of all that you aren’t any good at business. But you have a great day and weekend.
Comment by EagleOne — 22nd May 2008 @ 7:18 pm
Thought there would be a lot of cooking ramblings 🙂 , just back from my 2,5km fast walking, need to wait 2 more weeks before jogging again. GPP will pay, no questions to answer, if you have any faith in God he will direct Stella to pay all money to me, maybe I will donate a few cents. Happy weekend, life cannot be that serious!?
Comment by Extan — 22nd May 2008 @ 9:30 pm
EXTAN: You could not have been walking too fast, because I can walk faster than most people jog; and I’m not a power walker. If you were power walking, you could jog. Now you aren’t stretching the truth here are you? Are you sure you are not related to Stella?
Comment by EagleOne — 22nd May 2008 @ 10:20 pm
EXTAN: Forgot to mention: God cannot direct Stella to do something she cannot do. God is not in the scamming business. So if you are counting on God to direct Stella to pay you, you are in serious need of help.
Comment by EagleOne — 22nd May 2008 @ 10:22 pm
Extan,
I just finished walking on the moon. I had to run because ther was no water there. Top that one!
Rokka, to see that someone was making money on top of a scam is really incredible! So, they got ripped twice! unreal…
JH,
I must agree that these clowns are spending this money. Why not? It just keeps on rolling in! Rolling into those one-way pseudo banks.
One last thing, Extan, I again do not mean to seem as if I’m picking on you, but why do you continue with these continuous ramblings of these thinkgs that you have really not done? We aren’t that dense.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd May 2008 @ 3:55 am
I like how everyone on this blog has just side stepped the facts…none of us could have this large some of money deposited to our accounts without red flags and a lot of questions… tooo many questions.
Comment by busting gut — 23rd May 2008 @ 4:58 am
About GPP,
GPP offered refunds back in Dec. 2007. Did anyone recieved one or know someone who have?
Comment by John B. — 23rd May 2008 @ 3:48 pm
Busting gut, I don’t think that anyone deliberately ignores facts here (except EXTAN). But talking about how and where the money will be paid just requires too much presumptions to be talked about seriously. Like example, that GPP is going to say out. And anyone with half a brain can see that numbers just don’t add up with GPP, too much unanswered questions and too much loose does. But you do make an excellent point, what would bank say, and more importantly some official bodies, when you’d suddenly recieve a sizeable amount of money? I’d believe that it would be hard to prove that money is actually legal, if how GPP is run works as an example. But this is all hypothetical, since there is no “banking solution” yet. And there will not be one anytime soon. I think the oldest RPP has been going on for like five years without paying, so GPP still has time to screw people over before pulling the plug. Or like in Finland over and over again. And what comes to EXTAN, I think he already reached rock bottom, but with his references to faith and god he started to dig. One doesn’t need to be atheist or religious person to see that GPP is big load of steaming BS. Just little common sense and logic needed, That’s all.
Comment by Rokka — 23rd May 2008 @ 6:18 pm
…And religios have mixed here,good one!
your are right Rokka,in Finland gpp is been promote with people like that and they allready doing at the same time more busines with others things that have to be promote to with others.In other countries,i have note that people who have take care with promoting and have they own blog,just like that they closset and others don’t get any one but gpp members only.People are talking no nicely about them and don’t trust to send any thing to them.
Comment by salt — 24th May 2008 @ 12:27 am
Everyone (Good point, if I do say so myself),
I just thought of something!! Do you know why GPP and their members are always talking about the FOREX market? I tell you, it’s so very clear now! As they are taking money from severa countries, they are simply changing that money into their country’s currency! After/before which they may actually play with the market… The point is, is that this is how they change all of these countires currencies into their own and enjoy their ill gotten gains.
John, this nonsense about a rebate was a pile of crap! Even if someone wanted a refund, they wouldn’t get it. Stella even had the nerve to say that she was working on getting these refunds out. Now why the H@ll would she be working on a refund as opposed to getting our payouts? ANSWER:
1) She’s not
2) Taking up time… A reason to “just wait”
You get the idea…
I wonder what bank she is working with to “provide these refunds” with. I’ll tell you… “The bank of illusions”.
I’m amazed at how many countires who GPP have scammed. I believe that these scammers are saying… Why get rid of a good thing? I’m sure that they believe that “if they cant find me now, they wont! I really hope that they get busted by some country at least!
Just a note:
Do you all remember when we looked at their supposed address that they said that they were located at? Wait we found this out somewhere else… Well it turns out that this location was someone’s Duplex. We found this out about 4-5 months ago. All of a sudden that info was gone. Again, this sounds like a scam to me!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th May 2008 @ 2:34 pm
Some news from Finland; it was reported few days ago in various finnish newspapers that GPP is under investigation by Finnish NBI. Investigation was started after criminal complaint was filed by participant in the GPP program. Nothing new there, but what was interesting about this info that police provided, was that since police doesn’t know who is behind GPP, they’re said that now they start to interrogate the promoters and those with “downline”. Since GPP has both, pyramid scheme and illegal fund raising, no wonder these scammers removed anything linking them to this scam. One can only hope that finnish police gets the job done, and other countries follow suit. My guess is that these people with downlines are the biggest losers in this scam, since promoting a crime is also a crime, even if you don’t make a cent in the scam. I think the fat lady is already starting to sing a little song to GPP;-)
Comment by Rokka — 27th May 2008 @ 11:23 am
Dit any body hear about any thing from any promoter last time,people is asking why they don’t give us any informacion at all….
That’s why my friends!!just like Rokka say it!!!Ihope that police take care about the promoters too,they are promoting some thing that they doesn’t ask if it’s legal in every country before doin it,like every professional,you have to take care of this kind of matters before starting any kind of business,but i thing they know it afther all.Have a nice summer time every one here!!
Comment by salt — 27th May 2008 @ 2:55 pm
Rokka please help the Finish police to find nothing wrong with GPP except unprofessional behaviour. I think we all agree that Stella and Co should post regularly on their forum because currently it looks very much like a NO GO scheme, that is why there is so much hate in the air.
A hug is always good, please do with your friends 🙂 !
Comment by Extan — 28th May 2008 @ 7:26 am
Sure Extan, I’ll be glad to help the police. Since you’re so sure that GPP isn’t a scam, why don’t you provide some facts and proof about it, and I’ll be more then willing to send it to finnish police on your behalf. Is it a deal? Just remember that police don’t rely on faith in their investigations. I’d have to disagree with you about GPP being unprofessional, I think people behind GPP are professionals. They’re just professional scammers. And now it’s good to see that also police shares that view…
Comment by Rokka — 28th May 2008 @ 12:24 pm
Rokka I have no connections with GPP and therfore no REAL answers, just evaluating theoretical possibilities and waiting for the money and if nothing comes up, we may have other possibilities to get richer, just need to be patient and keep healthy! I think June and July will be the month’s to remember, so just watch out, miracles are always possible 🙂 ! Don’t underestimate the good in (some)humans, hey Stella and Co. show us how!
Comment by Extan — 28th May 2008 @ 12:45 pm
I think the miracle that is going to happen, is a disappearing act by GPP. If somebody is expecting to get rich in these RPP schemes, and counting on miracle, somebody is going to be disappointed…
Comment by Rokka — 28th May 2008 @ 1:25 pm
GPP is a scam …… im from colombia, south america
GPP dont pay never,
Comment by claudiac — 28th May 2008 @ 5:53 pm
Extan,
How much longer should we have to wait? If you’ve noticed, it has been over 1/2 year.
How much longer are you willing to wait?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th May 2008 @ 11:28 pm
As soon as I said: “Stella and Co. please tell us how” (28.5. 2008) Stella posted a letter (28.5.2008)to say something useful about our profiles.
Actually that action is fully in line with my predictions about her future actions, does that answer any question… obviously not because of your unrealistic thoughts :-). Have a good day!!
Comment by EXTAN — 29th May 2008 @ 12:41 pm
EXTAN: WOW, what positive news. You can update your profile. I bet this has set off euphoria in all of GPP land. I guess the old saying is keeping someone busy doing something diverts attention from nothing really being done. But at least the members can “feel” good about believing something positive is happening by being able to update their profile. Notice she did not have the time to update about the banking solution. I wonder why? Guess she is still too busy making the December refunds she hasn’t had time to work on it. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 29th May 2008 @ 5:00 pm
Extan,
It’s funny that you blame others for having “unrealistic thoughts”, and still think GPP is going to pay out. Tell me, how is updating your profile going to help, when you’re already scammed?
Comment by Rokka — 29th May 2008 @ 11:49 pm
Updating a profile…. I’ll tell you, that is pathetic! Big deal! Where is the CA$H?
Let’s think about this… Ole’ girl was working very hard to get these refunds back (supposedly), and not working on getting us paid! Sounds like she has her priorities mixed up…
Mixed up… Ha, actually we know that there are no priorities. Just sitting placing nonsensical statements together to continue getting that sweet sweet money!
I can just see Stell and Co., enjoying this free cash while calling us “suckers” every day… You can immagine that this does not make me happy. —
To these supporters & GPP… No, I do not want to wait! I’m tired of waiting. This scam has not run it’s course for much too long! This “stella” is just some people sitting around thinking of 3 sentence statements to throw out once or twice a month.
Let me make this clear… GPP is a scam. The more and more I look it seems to be a pyrimid scam.
Funny how someone actualy made a scam on top of a scam based on GPP!
Even funnier, when that other GPP scammer came along w/ that fake GPP site. Do you all recall how fast GPP got on the good foot and put out that statement saying that there was a fake site out there “stealing” their (GPP) funds? HA HA! Bet no one ever saw “Stella” move that fast before huh? We should have asked her to work on a banking solution that fast…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 30th May 2008 @ 3:31 am
Sorry you did not understand why some of us had to change our profiles, unfortunately we do not stay under a blanked under the tree like you, we changed our e-mail address etc. so that had to be changed. Now tell me, Stella is so clever to let us do this so she can run away! Enjoy your weekend in ignorance!
Comment by EXTAN — 30th May 2008 @ 12:32 pm
Extan,
If you haven’t found why “stella” gives these little “updates” of hers, then you never will. Your argument is that, why would “stella” and co. go through all the trouble just to scam people for few millions? Well, I’ll tell you, that is exactly why. You choose to ignore any facts contradicting your own views, talk about sticking your head in the sand…
Tell me your opinion, if you think GPP is for real, Why is it being promoted through multilevel marketing, and made to look like a pyramid scheme?
These two together, are surely not the signs of a successful firm…
Comment by Rokka — 30th May 2008 @ 1:06 pm
Extan
There is something else you could do under a tree, it involves a rope!
For such an “educated” person, you really are thick!
With all the bad press about gpp, if gpp was the real deal then “stella” would be making statements left, right and center to calm the members down, but she/they are saying nothing for weeks at a time, and the money still keeps on rolling in. And when she/they do make a statement its about the never ending refunds or profile updates. Why no updates about what is actually happening?
As usual i don’t expect a serious or civil response.
Comment by Blade68 — 30th May 2008 @ 1:19 pm
Blade68 I wonder who has not got a civil behaviour, I do not need a rope or a metal extension! Anyway, give it a little more time and you will see, actually there seems to be a good sign on another horizon for us to earn enough money, so we only hope for your sake to get some money from GPP! Be kind to each other…
Comment by EXTAN — 30th May 2008 @ 2:04 pm
Just a little translation in EXTAN’s last post: There is another scam coming and coming soon from the same group.
This notion that the profile’s had to be locked to prevent hackers from stealing the information is laughable. Any other legitimate investment firm does not lock you out of changing your profile any time you want. Besides, the damage had already been done. They had already stolen the database. This is nothing more than smoke and mirrors at trying to make the members think something is going on, when in reality nothing of importance is happening. Just like a magician, you direct a person’s eye to what you want them to see, not what is really going on. It is nothing more than a misdirection ploy.
As JH said, someone needs to shoot someone and put everyone out of their misery. This constant promising and dragging this on and on is cruel to the members. Talk about giving false hope. Maybe the heat the heat from the investigation the Finnish authorities are putting on the Finn promoters just might be the rope that is needed to hang the people behind this scam. Hopefully before they can start another one; and yes the same people who bought into this one, will buy into it. Thus why they are preparing to start a new one. They have milked this one for almost all its worth. The good news coming is hopefully they have found out who is behind this and they have been arrested.
Comment by EagleOne — 30th May 2008 @ 5:29 pm
Eagle,
That was well said, couldn’t agree with you more. Giving false hope to people should be punishable in itself already.
and what comes to this Extan character, I said earlier that these kind of people show up always in these kind of scams. There’s always one “extan” who is telling people how everything is ok and it’s all legal, trying to change the subject, telling everybody how smart he is, telling people to stay positive, and when all else fails resorts to insults. What is his function in GPP remains unclear, is he a promoter or scammer? Well, anybodys guess is as good as mine…
Comment by Rokka — 30th May 2008 @ 6:23 pm
Eagle,
I too agree that you have hit the nail on the head! Extan is always talking this nonsense. Guess he’s glad that today is Friday so that he can have a “way out”.
There are only two things that I’d like to add for the moment… Speaking of Finland, let me show this:
Finland’s NBI probes another online pyramid scheme
9.4.2008 at 13:57
Finland’s National Bureau of Investigation (NBI) is investigating another suspected online pyramid fraud scheme, Tampere-based daily Aamulehti reported on Wednesday.
According to the paper, the scheme is called Global Pension Plan. The NBI had said earlier it was probing an online “investment†scheme named WinCapita.
“This is a cross between pyramid marketing and an illegal lottery,†Jouni Laiho, a senior civil servant at the interior ministry, was quoted as saying by Aamulehti.
Mr Laiho told the paper that thousands of Finns had probably lost their money.
Global Pension Plan is marketed on the internet as a retirement pension scheme costing as little as 30 euros. Punters are told that they will be paid a pension of 55,000 euros on a vague future date provided at least 100,000 sign up to the scheme.
/STT/
*****************************
Now what is that saying?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 30th May 2008 @ 7:14 pm
Also wanted to make a point… I’m sure that you all have done this, but look up on a search engine: GPP, SCAM
You’ll truly be amazed at how many people around the world have been scammed! Now if this was a valid company, you would not get as many hits on scam as they have!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 30th May 2008 @ 7:16 pm
Mike check,about what you wrote..it’s right,and do you want to know something else?the promoters are trying to “calm people and tell them that the press doesn’t allways tell the truth and mister Laiho have his own interest,Finland have to many business in a monopol,Finnish banks are gelous about gpp and that’s why they don’t want to do with them and even one person who tell to the authorites a lot from gpp, know the promoters tell us that they can put him in front of the law if they want it,because he lie to them,but they doesn’t have to because whe all know that every body whan to put us down,don’t let them!”…what a crap!!The banks sure know where to trust and gpp never give any kind of information about them,why they have to trust this people?,sume this person if you sure you get more about it and don’t loose more future fans for sure.In Finland authorities take care about the people and that project never was in they opinion legal,so why they want to make business afther all?why they doesn’t stop from doing it there if is allready police involte?they know that they never get cut?.That is so sad,is people out there who dream about his last chance in life to get something for his kids and a better life for them…Is not fare that that kind of scams aren’t stop yet and still are geting more money.
Comment by salt — 1st June 2008 @ 12:53 am
Salt,
Yes it is sad that GPP is STIL getting money off of the unknowing. I’m wondering how they are pitching this? I mean the entire program should just be over! How can additional monies be obtained from an onging program that apparently has no backing!!!
I also wanted to reiterate a previous comment. Remembering the previous statement on the search engine fir GPP and Scam? We have all done this, but if it werent a scam, why do we see more negative info than good?
Unfortunate that we cant intervine in the word of mouth introductions to this scam. The sourc of this info on this “great program” must be found!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd June 2008 @ 2:57 am
I think GPP needs a theme song, and I suggest “The 12th of Never.” Anyone got any better suggestions?
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd June 2008 @ 3:11 am
Eagle,
Theme song suggestion was excellent stuff, cheered up my monday, thanks.
Anyhoo, here are my suggestions for the theme song:
– “take the money and run” by Steve Miller band
– “money for nothing” by Dire straits
– “I should have known better” By the Beatles
– “running on empty” by Jackson Browne
I think one of these songs would fit nicely for this scam known as GPP… 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 2nd June 2008 @ 12:15 pm
Guess we will have to change our GPP passwords again on 7th June so the bluddy hackers cannot zip our info.
Louis said: Here is an idea Extan – why not lead a couple of your favourite hikes on “our” mountain for our hiking club?
Extan the true cheer leader and future hiking leader 🙂
Comment by EXTAN — 2nd June 2008 @ 2:59 pm
Eagle,that’s a good one!!!!
I thing a song for gpp..whe dont’t need another hero,all good things come to un end and prince money don’t matter to night…lol,just the oposite!
Comment by salt — 2nd June 2008 @ 5:19 pm
I knew there were many more ‘possibles’ for GPP’s theme song. Great choices by all. Actually there are so many that apply, I don’t think it is possible to choose just one. I thought surely that EXTAN would have offered up a theme song, “Don’t Worry, Be Happy” or something along those lines.
Some other songs that did come to mind were: ‘Satisfaction,’ or ‘The Impossible Dream;’ or we could write our own called “Never, Ever Going To Happen.” ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd June 2008 @ 7:16 pm
EXTAN: Since you were going to give them until June/July to pay out, getting nervous? Only 6 more more weeks, and it will have been 5 months past when they originally said they would pay out. In just 2 short weeks, it will be 4 months; and still no word from Stella on this magical banking solution. I think I see your palms getting sweaty, and sweat breaking out on your forehead.
Anyone want to guess what the next excuse will be as to why the banking solution has been delayed? Get ready because it is coming soon to the GPP forum near you; but it will be all the member’s fault. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd June 2008 @ 1:00 am
Eagle,
The next excuse will be the criminal investigation launched in Finland against GPP. At least that is my guess.
“But not to worry, when everything is proven legit, things will start to look good again, and banking solution can be established. This might take time, but patience is a virtue.
Just have some faith. What is little more waiting, since we’ve waited for so long?”
Something to this similar effect we’ll be hearing from GPP promoters.
And that finnish man/woman who filed the criminal complaint against GPP will be held accused for GPP eventual demise.
And if these kind of idiotic excuses don’t work for the members, I bet that envy/jealousy card will be pulled again. And then of course there are the conspiracy theories about evil banks/police/goverment making GPP fail. Make your pick.
Comment by Rokka — 3rd June 2008 @ 2:32 am
Here’s a little blast from the past:
http://web.archive.org/web/20051129025401/http://www.globalpensionplan.net/
Here you can see how the GPP pages used to look.
I’ll quote few parts that made me laugh:
“First of all, we have all the financial resources needed to launch and run an operation this size” (how’s that “banking solution” coming along, by the way?)
“And last but not least, one of the most important factor in any business with online context is the capable and reliable IT-partner, which we have had from the very beginning of the project working with us turning our vision into reality and making our goals more easily achievable.”( weren’t you guys hacked, and database was stolen?)
So, I can safely say that in these three years, GPP has lived up to their statements, right? 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 3rd June 2008 @ 3:01 am
Eagle and Rokka,
Ha! that was good! Yes, it’s good that there is something to laugh about with this GPP scam! Rokka, those tunes fit so well!
Extan,
How did you find out about this June 7th scam date? Hackers stealing info?! Give me a d’d break! This surely would be considered a crappy program/business who cant buy a virus protector? Surely w/ all of this cash someone could be preventing hackers.
Once again, go and take your hike, so to speak. Enjoy your strenuous imaginary trips… It’s all good, but why do need to tell us this?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd June 2008 @ 4:03 am
Eagle,
The next excuse will be that the “sky is falling”! Just wait until Aug 7th, then we’ll get the cash! HA!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd June 2008 @ 4:06 am
According to Stella the members only have until June 8 to update their profiles, before they lock it again on June 8. Now what is truly a joke about this is, the purpose of locking the profiles in the first place was to prevent hackers from stealing the information. But now they are giving all until June 8 to update their profiles. So what is preventing the hackers from stealing the updated information until they lock the profiles on June 8? Answer: Absolutely nothing.
As I said, this nothing more than a diversion tactic to draw attention away from the banking solution, which is non-existent. Just an excuse to give the members something to do that makes them think something important is happening; and they are closer to getting paid. It is all smoke and mirrors.
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd June 2008 @ 6:04 am
Mike I am sorry for you why don’t you congratulate me for being chosen to lead groups of hikers on an ongoing basis, have done it before, a big group of Chinese of all age groups, they were so happy as we will be soon when GPP pays out!! 🙂
Comment by EXTAN — 3rd June 2008 @ 3:24 pm
These are 2 early posts I found that “Extan” wrote. It seems that over the last few months, either his english has worsend significantly, or the posts are being written by someone else.
Read some new posts and compare them to the 2 below
Just seems a little weird.
Old POST
Well Mike, everyone should do some homework to find these GPP organizers, but not publish on here because then they would be warned and just relocate, anyway if they close down their website and run away with our money, if not already done, they will surely flee to Mexico, Angola, Japan or one of those secret places. Just imagine, more than 100000 clients and their friends and families, if just a few can exchange e-mail addresses and get properly organised, it is NOT about the 30 Euro that you lost, it is about our long held dreams being shattered by some GREEDY people and some of us would have gained millions of Euro through “hard†work!
and
Roccas letter seems to be inconclusive, he rightly remarked on the zero info we have on GPP, but then he said we should be optimistic about it, they are going to pay out (I hope too!!). You know it’s not about to admit to have been scammed, I once had another scheme which was worked out so well (should have worked for all), but most humans are not really ready to take part so that everyone can win, downright stupid and very GREEDY, they can only mess it up! GPP should also work, but the advertised gains should have been more realistic, a gain of 154% over a short time seems to be too optimistic
Comment by Jason — 3rd June 2008 @ 4:12 pm
Jason: Good observations, and yes many of us have thought for a long time we have more than one EXTAN, Extan, extan, extant. It is not only the English that changes, but also the tone and dynamics of the posts. Just like we have more than one Stella too. I guess they get some delight in thinking they have us fooled into believing they are all the same person, but they are only fooling themselves. Actually not unusual since anyone promoting GPP has to be delusional if they believe GPP is real.
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd June 2008 @ 7:05 pm
Jason and EagleOne really f-u brains, nothing better to do than pulling your hair or something else, hu hu hu, hope you enjoy it and have some tissue paper —
Only one EXTAN, ask Ben, he knows my REAL first name. I’m the one that does not need a metal extension like you desperately need, or a heavy rock 🙂
Oh yes, Gpp will soon give us info about their bank and issue debit cards.
Comment by Extan — 3rd June 2008 @ 9:57 pm
I’m sure you are the only Extan; but EXTAN, extan and extant are not you. Glad I could clear that up for you. Just as we have more than one Stella. What’s with the foul mouth? Wasn’t called for, but thanks for proving you and EXTAN, extan, and extant are not the same.
I’m sure GPP will give what is considered to be info about their banking solution and debit card. It just won’t be from a legitimate bank. For if they did, the bank would be shut down by the regulators. But nice try at trying to make it sound like any solution GPP provides will be real. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd June 2008 @ 10:19 pm
EXTAN,
I was wrong not to congratulate you on your mountain climbing. Perhaps you did… who knows (maybe something like GPP, if not congrats).
NOW…
Extan,
Why don’t you tell us of this great trip. What mountain did you climb? Tell us a little about it. Surely you could tell us a little something as you always do so… Oh, I mean Extan, not EXTAN!!!
EXTAN,
I could kind of agree partially with one of your previous statements about GPP. You state that we should not post any info regarding GPP to prevent them from moving around. Hmmm, maybe I’m wrong, but if we cannot find them, why not provide them with inconvienience? Could possibly prevent them from obtaining some money. Then again, maybe not… But inconvienience is the preference that I’m thinking of.
— Of course you may have a point in not having them move so that we can catch GPP members. Unfortunately we havent yet.
I don’t know. What is everyones’ take on the tracking down of GPP?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 4th June 2008 @ 12:38 am
Quoting Extan:”Oh yes, Gpp will soon give us info about their bank and issue debit cards.”
Why isn’t the info already available, Extan? Dating back to 2005, it said in GPP website that: “First of all, we have all the financial resources needed to launch and run an operation this size.”
If everything was ready back in 2005, when GPP launched, where is the “banking solution”?
And Extan, one more question, Where do you base your belief, is it facts or blind faith?
I think scammers behind GPP were telling the truth, when they said that they the have the “all the financial resources needed ” for this.
I mean, few laptops and broadband connection doesn’t cost much. That is all that is needed to run this kind of scam.
And what comes to tracking down GPP, one can always hope that they’ll be caught. But I have my doubts. Police might catch some promoters and they get a little slap on the wrist, but “stella” and co. will stay under the radar until it’s time for a new scam. And probably Extan is first one to join 😉
Comment by Rokka — 4th June 2008 @ 2:27 am
Rokka: There never was any banking solution when they started this. They just said so to make it sound legitimate. If so, they would have known there was no such thing as an anonymous debit card. Yet this wasn’t discovered by GPP until December of last year. Also they didn’t even start looking for a banking solution until all the crapola hit the fan when Stella told the members they would have to find their own banking solution. Remember Stella’s panic update telling the members to stop it was causing problems in the banking community? That’s when they decided they had to make everyone think they were finding a banking solution, and Stella told the tale of traveling to 3 continents.
If they do announce a banking solution, it will be some Internet bank of dubious character, as any respectful bank would have nothing to do with them. Besides, this is only a story. No banking solution is being sought. They will disappear before that ever has to happen. The only question now is how much longer will they play their game before they do disappear? From all appearances, they seem to be in their death throws now. It all depends on how many policies are still being bought, and if they think they can avoid the authorities from being found out.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th June 2008 @ 6:37 am
Hope something will be done after 8th June, Stella might say: “hey, now you have updated your profile and now I will run away into nowhere”… how studid can one really be??
Comment by EXTAN — 4th June 2008 @ 3:26 pm
The next excuse will be maybe that whe never send the right informaton for the administration who takes care of ower pension matters and so much people send the contract without the most important information there,so they ask again for ower data info and give us another month or more perhaps for make it again…
Do you know people that wen Stella said that ower profiles have the last chance to update,i was in the forum and just wen i went out my web stop to work and Nokia said that was a virus from there what did that,my phone internet doesn’t works and never again i”m goin there,my friend that week get the same virus in her computer,now only i can’t use the computer in two weeks,nokia tecnic people said that don’t you go there if they don’t have the decent web side.
So if some one get info from gpp,please tell,i’m sorry but i don’t wan to go there and get another ‘give’ from theme.
That’s another thing from my friends,Stella never give theme another password wen they need it and they are out of the program because that,what they say here isn’t in other country,rules are not clair for every one,so why the trust?,my friend give me for a give that gpp”oportunity” and i’m so sad that give us nothing good,he than’t speak again with me because he was telling every body that is not a scam and i was’t thinking like that,now he thinks that it is a scam and a shame for that,why that makes people like that?,who take care of the maltfares or virus from theme?NEVER AGAIN EVEN WAS FROM A GIFE!!!..another song for gpp?never,never gonna get it!!from in vogue.
Comment by salt — 4th June 2008 @ 3:33 pm
Salt: Good observation, and you may be closer to the truth than you know. You access the site and get a virus. Aren’t you glad this is being run by Professionals! ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 4th June 2008 @ 5:56 pm
Eagle,
I know that there’s not going to be any banking solution, and there never was. Even a child can realise that. Just wanted to hear some meaningless rants from Extan(s) by asking about it, they always make me laugh. And surely he did not fail me.
Comment by Rokka — 5th June 2008 @ 12:42 am
yes Extan this post of your makes alot of sense and in typical fashion you have evaded answering any of the questions…….
Good post BTW
Jason and EagleOne really f-u brains, nothing better to do than pulling your hair or something else, hu hu hu, hope you enjoy it and have some tissue paper â€â€
Only one EXTAN, ask Ben, he knows my REAL first name. I’m the one that does not need a metal extension like you desperately need, or a heavy rock
Oh yes, Gpp will soon give us info about their bank and issue debit cards.
Comment by Extan – June 3, 2008 @ 9:57 pm
Comment by Jason — 5th June 2008 @ 10:19 am
always good when one gets quoted, anyway last night we danced in a sunken hall with pillars on the side, Stella was dishing out food, had no money 🙂 have a good day and don’t sulk so much..
Comment by EXTAN — 5th June 2008 @ 11:56 am
This clown is just getting annoying
Comment by Jason — 5th June 2008 @ 12:29 pm
Eagle!that’s right!good professionals…
Can they even make a song for us in the time every body waits for some answers?That’s to funny!,maybe they can do it from kuala and put some exotic lyrycs from there…i guess will be nice for all of us to know they are “doing something” for sure!LOL
Comment by salt — 5th June 2008 @ 9:21 pm
Ha Ha! Jason, you are so right! This nonsense is getting on my nerves too. I almost felt sorry for calling him out. Meaning, one of the extans or the other… looking at this both. Humph…
Everyone, I went to even another msg board… again. This is so very sad. I just have to say it again. Looks like these scammers, the chearleaders, are those who are actually making some money! It’s no wonder that they are continuing to tell about how great GPP is. There are also, as said previously, many Global _______ _____ named scams.
I’ll return with some interesting info…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 6th June 2008 @ 2:53 am
Found this ditty in another post, but don’t know who posted it. Thought you would find it most interesting, and I quote whoever posted it. This was posted on TeamThemco in May of 2007, and came from Stella:
“The jurisdiction in which our co-operating insurance company is located doesn’t have these so called “insurance controllers†and the legislation allows worldwide commerce of insurance policies.
The Trust Partner has done these deals with smaller, but still international clientele before and with this same licensed and registered insurance company without any problems from the Big Brother’s side.”
Comment by EagleOne — 6th June 2008 @ 10:51 am
Guess Jason cannot even dance?? Watch Stella hand out the money, but we have 2 commodity trades going that will give us more commission than GPP can fork out worth $5m+ (ex a long downline), so whatever, enjoy your weekend!!
Oh yes, about the banking solution, theoretically we should soon hear about it (or not), GPP probably biting their nails about this, but judging that there is no place to hide, what else can they do?
Comment by EXTAN — 6th June 2008 @ 2:35 pm
WOW, I’m impressed. EXTAN’s English improved 130% in just one post. Now I wonder how that happened? Maybe all that dancing jarred his brain, and cleared out all the cobwebs. Not only that, but now he is going to be multi-rich from his expert trading skills. Does his talents never end? But he isn’t any good at business. Have a great weekend EXTAN, and enjoy all that wealth. Don’t blow it all at Mickey D’s.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th June 2008 @ 5:37 pm
“Oh yes, about the banking solution, theoretically we should soon hear about it (or not),”
What planet is the multi talented ( and multi personalities!) ExTaN on?
Now he is getting really annoying!
Comment by Blade68 — 6th June 2008 @ 8:55 pm
Ah more stall tactics on the forum.
Apparently loads of people have forgotten their passwords….
‘Taking care of this manually takes time’ is a quote from her new post, as she now apparently has to manually reset them all.
I have not forgotton a password in my ebtire life, I find it hard to belive that people with a vested interest in what could potentially set them up for life would ‘forget their passwords’
Yeah right.
Addition: Just had a thought that Extan could maybe resolve for me….
If these people have forgotten their passwords, how are they going to access the forum to get the email addresss to request the new password?
Comment by Jason — 7th June 2008 @ 10:50 am
Jason: Excellent points. But it does give them at least another 4-6 months. If it takes Stella as long to handle these requests as it has for her to take care of the December “refunds,” it will be October or November before she will be able to complete these requests. Which means the profiles are exposed for a longer period of time to be stolen. Just more delay tactics as you have so properly noted. Sure glad these people are “PROFESSIONALS.”
Comment by EagleOne — 7th June 2008 @ 9:29 pm
Hi Jason, maybe use a password that reminds you of your best girlfriend plus add a number of how many times she gave you ice cream, unless you are differently inclined. We use a word/number that one has to write down because it is too difficult to remember, to make sure one of the hackers can’t get into our profiles. Will have to waaaait for GPP’s next move, but our commodity sales agreements are nearly approved, so whatever GPP…
Comment by EXTAN — 9th June 2008 @ 3:28 pm
BLAH BLAH BLAH!!!
Comment by Blade68 — 9th June 2008 @ 5:30 pm
Hi, EXTAN
It’s nice to see that you already progressed to stage 4(depression) in Kubler-Ross model. So, now it’s “whatever GPP”, and maybe soon you’ll reach stage 5 and you’ll be able to accept the fact that you were scammed.
Comment by Rokka — 9th June 2008 @ 6:24 pm
Eagle,
You bring another good point… Now in the first place, why would ANYONE want a refund on thier money if they should have been paid the full amount back in December months before that?
Hmmm… Let’s see… I’d like to get my $40 back today instead of getting my 80K tomorrow. Yea, I’d like to know who would do that (if infact we knew that this was a valid company). What I’m saying is that no one would do that! Probably has no one doing that refund nonsense (then again, I would ask for it knowing that this was a scam in the first place)…
Jason what an excellent point!
As for this password nonsense… They have got to be kidding! This Stella clown expects anyone to believe that she’s going to manually reset the passwords!!??! HOW? On top of that, has anyone received any email traffic from these clowns? Just curious. Everyone, let’s think of this… For all of the people in this program, this would take forever to complete! This time would be better spent getting us those funds.
SCAM! Everyone right or wrong!?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 9th June 2008 @ 6:27 pm
Hmm, manually to reset the passwords? Now why would “stella” had do that, if GPP has a “capable and reliable IT partner”, like they stated when the program started three years ago?
It’s interesting how “stella” in her every update, contradicts her previous staments, and statements GPP made, and still some people fail to see anything suspicious about that.
I think all of us have realised that GPP is a scam, even EXTAN.
It just might be hard accept it, if you got all your relatives and friends to join. That’s the reason to keep up the faith.
And why I keep posting and telling that GPP is a scam? Well, Bill COsby said it best :
“A word to the wise ain’t necessary — it’s the stupid ones that need the advice.”
Comment by Rokka — 9th June 2008 @ 7:31 pm
Hi, Well if GPP is a scam or not, is not an easy question. It sure looks like it but it also could be sheer stupidity. and that Stella has in abundance. I know for a fact that policies or judgements can be monetized on the offshore international financial markets. BUt just for another year.
Then all hell breaks loose. By that I mean the collpase fo the present world system gets under way. It is underway all ready. Rather than I writing a long disertation on nature and change, go to http://www.ramtha.com and order yourself the series of CD’s called “Ramtha’s Prophecy series called CHANGE: THE DAYS THAT ARE HERE. iF YOU do NOT wish TO ORDER THE WHOLE SERIES, AT LEAST ORDER THE “ITALY” ONE. You do not have much time left.
May truth wake up in all of you,
Why do I tell you this. Simply because you are all my brothers and sisters in creation and I would like to see you survive the earth changes. Science has lied to us, Governments have lied and manipulated us as have religions. We have been lied to so much that now the lies seems true. But you be the judge. I already know what is true or not But it is not my job to convince you. It is your job to wake up and understand truth when you hear it or read it. Now I trust only myself and GOD who lives in me.
Stefan
[Addition by Ben: Everyone has a right to free speech I suppose, which is why I approved this comment. Make of it what you will…]
Comment by stefan — 9th June 2008 @ 9:12 pm
Rokka,
Ha, Ha! That is so VERY true! Indeed, part of the reason I too am here to try to prevent others from falling victim to these dream stealers! I’ll tell you, the best that I can do is to post in as many locations as I can as to disway as many people as poffible from this scam!
Comment by MikeCheck — 10th June 2008 @ 3:48 am
Extan , I am glad your financial future is secure with your investments.
I too have had good news. Some kind Nigerian fellow sent me an email telling me he wants to give me 40% of his 100 000 000 dollar fortune, which means I never have to work again.
Also, I won an email lottery yesterday…..twice
Comment by Jason — 10th June 2008 @ 8:43 am
Hi Jason et al, I had a hell of a day, our brilliant students always wait for the last day (before presenting) to hand in their printed circuit layout usually together with a virus and since the negative process has many steps it takes a lot of work and trouble. Well maybe 50 days to wait and I can change over to only invest money, hope the “tip” from GPP will aslo help. Sleep well!!
Comment by EXTAN — 10th June 2008 @ 4:32 pm
Extan,
I had a day too… The rockets scientists and nuclear physists decided to build a fusion reactor that will fly to the next star! After that they decided to invest in GPP! This will pay for the rocket.
Look, these little quips about nonsense is now not impressing anyone.
I also still think have direct dealings w/GPP. I’d rather think that you really are “in on it” with GPP, as opposed to really being as dense to believe that this will actually pay.
You seem to have quite a bit of info from GPP. Where are you getting this info?
You know, I’m actually frustrated with GPP, not your nonsense, continuing to scam people and coming up with these incredible lies to steal money. How can anyone not be frustrated about that?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 11th June 2008 @ 2:54 am
EXTAN: Your “Brilliant” students sound like they would believe in being a part of GPP. You need to sign them up immediately so they can buy up all those “additional” policies. Time is running out, well not really, but thought I would just throw that line in for laughs.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th June 2008 @ 3:53 am
Jason: Sorry, but my E-mail address is really quite lucky. It has won me 35 E-mail lottery drawings for more than 250 Million dollars. Not counting my E-mail being selected to help 3 widow ladies distribute their late husband’s mass fortunes; and then I have at least 8 deceased people a bank officer wants me to stand in as their next of kin. With all these winnings, helping widows, and being named next of kin; GPP is just chump change.
I think the two of us should pool our vast wealth and start our own program. We can’t do a RPP because that lie has already been used too many times; but I think we should do a viatical insurance product program. The best part is it is harder to understand, so no need to do any in-depth explanations but trust me. If there are more than 150,000 people willing to give an anonymous group all that money they have to GPP, this one should attract even more. Just PM me and we’ll work out the details.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th June 2008 @ 6:27 am
lol EagleOne, count me in 🙂
The Nigerian assures me the money is on the way, and I have also been contacted by a church minister asking me to help him get 11 million out (all of which are of course church funds)of Ghana
All in all we are looking flush for the new business venture 🙂
Comment by Jason — 11th June 2008 @ 11:35 am
Eagle and Jason,
I can’t believe that there’s other people who are just as lucky as me.
My email has to proven to be just as good of a jackpot as yours, african widows, lotteries,some pension insurances,forex trading, you name it.
We three could easily start a new RPP, I think it’s possible with our theoretical wealth to accomplish that.I bet we could find 150000-200000 suck—, erh, I mean customers. There’s plenty of EXTANs out there. First thing would be to hire “stella” to help us out, and not to forget those “reliable IT-partners” that she’ll bring.
Name for it could be “reverse insurance pension of financial freedom”,
or R.I.P.O.F.F, if you will.
How about it?
Comment by Rokka — 11th June 2008 @ 9:18 pm
Ha! You two are a trip! Tell you what, you all loan me about 500,000 and I’ll go in w/ extans students and buy up the rest of the policies! They will only need us to buy 20 thousand more policies… wait a couple of months, then say that they need another 20 thousand more policies, wait another couple of months and figure that they have no “banking solution” etc…
This kind of waiting is unacceptable for a valid company of any kind! I’m not going to inferr that this is a scam, but I’m going to tell everyone that it IS a SCAM. This is of course unless you’d like to contribute to these clowns vacation fund…. or even better Stella’s children’s fund! You all remember that? A very, very sad attempt to use a children’s charity to line their pockets! That’s just dirty…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 11th June 2008 @ 10:41 pm
Rokka: First let me say that I am chagrined that you think our wealth is theoretical. I am sure that Jason has been assured, as I have, this is all legitimate. But, since you also have enormous wealth coming to you as well, I agree we should join forces. All the Extan’s can be our cheerleaders/promoters. I hear they all work cheap. Besides, they tell compelling stories of talents other mere mortals can only aspire to achieve. They make a good front team. Keeps people from concentrating on getting paid and focused on all their great feats of achievement and talents.
Now all we need to do is get the 3 Amiga’s from Latvia to help us out, and I think we can pull this off. We might also need to use EXTAN’s contact at First Oceanic Bank to process the deposits though for a fall-back position. They have such a high standing in the banking world, and we only want to use the best. I do like the acronym, and I’m sure that Stella and the Trust is jealous they didn’t think of it first. I’m sure if they had only gotten EXTAN involved early on, with all his talents he would have come up with it. Sure glad they didn’t and we can use it.
Now all we have to do is come up with some foolish amount for the payout to go with our processing fee. Let’s do it right, and shoot for a $50 dollar processing fee, but set the payout to be a cool $100,000. That will really get people to sign up. Makes GPP look like chump change. Of course we need to find 3 people to play the role of Stella, and we need to come up with a more exciting name than Stella for that role.
Sorry, I realized I may have given too much away on this forum, so we can work out all the details in a PM. Besides, no-one will remember any of this anyway, so I think we are safe. Besides, we will just use all the Extan’s to give us cover by enrapturing them with their stories of skills, talents, and investment prowess. They will forget all about this post of mine. And if they do remember, we will tell them it was just a bunch of naysayers trying to take down a legitimate company by spreading lies and not wanting to see the average “Joe” get ahead. Always has worked in the past.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th June 2008 @ 2:25 am
All in all it is sounding a pretty solid business plan.
I will phone the Aston Martin dealership a little later on tonight to book a test drive.
Comment by Jason — 12th June 2008 @ 1:59 pm
Actually I have been following a quite heated exchange on another forum where one poster said GPP did have the banking solution in place, but was not releasing the details yet. Rather than paraphrase, here is what was said, and I quote: “You heard what I said and regardless of how you want to twist it, there IS a banking solution in place. Don’t expect Stella to post anything just yet. She is aware of how ignorant you and other are.”
I found it interesting that this person claims to know, but the membership doesn’t. Makes you wonder why Stella is withholding this information doesn’t it, provided of course this statement is true. I would think if one was in place, Stella would have provided an update “proclaiming” this piece of news, instead of not revealing it. I really believe this is just someone trying to sound important, and not true. Then again, this is GPP. The only thing that has consistently worked has been the buy more policies link.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th June 2008 @ 9:55 pm
eagle 1
would you like to share this other forum with everyone else?
Comment by jacko — 13th June 2008 @ 8:05 am
jacko: It is rolclub.com, General Talk link, then GPP thread.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th June 2008 @ 9:50 am
thanks eagle 1
Comment by jacko — 13th June 2008 @ 11:44 am
Eagle and Jason: I think we have it all wrapped up then for our business venture, Eagle sure thought of everything. Then we should find a nice catchy slogan for RIPOFF and some sales pitch would also be needed. Luckily we can just copy everything from GPP and save some time and money. There’s no fear of getting sued by GPP, since it’s not actually a company of any sort.And if we can get EXTAN on board telling on every forum something like,” why would they scam people for some measly 5-10mil.€, if they already have tens, maybe hundreds of millions from a late african dictators inheritance”, and “this is how rich people make money”, then we’re set.
I’ve already taken the first step for our “company”, so here’s the email address of RIPOFFs customer
support:ripoff.customersupport@gmail.com
Feel free to contact for further info… 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 13th June 2008 @ 1:15 pm
Eagle: I took a quick look on that other forum that you mentioned( and few others also), and it looks like guys like EXTAN do grow on trees. There’s plenty of same kind of mumble jumble by GPP promoters, I guess the empty can rattles the most…
Comment by Rokka — 13th June 2008 @ 1:34 pm
I think we need to have a monthly newsletter to keep the faithful, well faithful. I suggest we call it The SCREWU Monthly. I found this new hosting site called UpYours, and knew immediately it was the hosting site we had been looking for. I think I have the banking solution in place. We may have to wait for their name change to go through first though. They are changing their name to Cheaters Bank & Trust from just Cheaters Trust. It is my fault, as I suggested they might want to add the word bank to their name. I thought it would make them sound more credible and authentic. I especially liked their wire departments Deposit Only policies. Gets rid of all those pesky reversal and charge-back fees, and easier monthly bank statements.
Just a few more finishing touches, and we should be ready to launch. I got even more good news today, as my E-mail just keeps on winning. Also learned that I can help a poor GI ferret out of Iraq millions of Saddam’s fortune he found. So no doubt we will be adequately funded. Well, must get back to working out the rest of those little details so this will run smoothly. One more note, instead of Stella, I think we should call our one woman customer service, paralegal, banking consultant, contract negotiator, and jackette of all trades Adrian. Think of all the possibilities: ADRIAN, Adrian, Adrians, adrian, and adrians. Not final, so I am open to suggestions. Gee, this is getting exciting to be so close to untold millions with minimal work and $200 bucks.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th June 2008 @ 7:42 pm
My friends,
Got two things to note:
1) What exactly is this $40.00 for? Admin fees or investment money for the pension?
2) I’d like anyone considering sending money to any of these internet banks to do one thing… LOOK UP THE BANK ONLINE BEFORE SENDING anything!!! I can guarentee that you will find very little about the bank that is positive, and a whole lot that is negative!
—- Tell you what… if this is actually a bank, see if they have any materials on making loans, checking accounts, ANYTHING other than taking your money. We all know the answer…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 13th June 2008 @ 10:01 pm
Eagle,
I see that our plan is getting along quite well. But you’re hurrying things, why would we need a banking solution? We’ll just get it in the end of the program, so we’ll have good 8-10 years to think about it.
And I think we should raise the bar to 300000 policies sold, we should be little bit more ambitious then GPP. Money shouldn’t be a problem for it, since I received today email telling me that I have won in the lottery, which is funny ’cause I don’t remember participating in one.
And what comes to a name, my suggestion is Faith.
I mean, person named Faith couldn’t be a scammer, right?
I already pulled my share of the workload for our venture today, opened up an email account for customer support. Wasn’t easy, but I managed 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 13th June 2008 @ 10:58 pm
Rokka: Very good points, and I do like using the name Faith as our sole contact person. My reason for saying we had a banking solution up front was just for that purpose: Saying we had a banking solution which makes people think we are real. Gives us the illusion of legitimacy right out of the box. Then we can say due to those evil regulatory agencies and banks, they changed the rules on us at the last minute, so now we have to find a new one. This gives us many years to keep promising one, but not really doing so. I’m sorry I forgot to mention that in my last missive.
As for raising the number required to 300,000 that is an excellent idea. We can always claim that these have paid out in the past, and we have a new twist that heretofore only the rich could access. We also need to find an obscure charity we can say we are supporting. This way if we give them a few thousand, it will be more money than they have raised in their lifetime. They are happy, the members are happy, and we can point to our being great humanitarians. A win-win for all.
Well, must get back to finding the charity. This is really a lot of fun, and we should have thought of this early on in this uh, er, process.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th June 2008 @ 5:25 am
Rokka, I know who grows on trees, boomslange 🙂 GPP is in the sleeping mode, wonder when they will wake up?
Comment by Extan — 14th June 2008 @ 1:45 pm
Stella has wake up after her 2 weeks silent…. again she post up something which upset most of the members … just totally bullshit
Comment by gg — 14th June 2008 @ 3:01 pm
EXTAN, you can keep wondering until the end of time. Even boomslange can realise how big pile of dirt GPP is, and it’s only a snake, with tiny small brains. But still you continue to believe…
Comment by Rokka — 14th June 2008 @ 9:56 pm
Eagle, I think charity is a great idea, and it could be something for the kids. After all, who wouldn’t help kids?
Name could be something like: Direct Universal Monetary Benefit, or acronym DUMB. Any of our customers who wishes to donate money in this charity, will become ASSociate of our charity program.
And he/she will receive authentic DUMB.ASS certiface for this good deed.
But certificate is only shown on customers personal website of our RPP. Since we don’t want to start sending certificates by mail to everyone, or we’ll never get the job done. Or maybe we’ll send them after all, But it will take time to do it manually, so that may postpone the payout of 100000$ for a few months or years.
Man, it’s not easy being a trust partner when you have think all these things through.
Comment by Rokka — 14th June 2008 @ 10:42 pm
We might want to consider having a special forum just for those who support our charity, and their own blog. This will make the charity that much more desirable to join, as everyone wants to have special treatment apart from the masses. They will become the exclusive inclusives. This way we can do away with having to waste time with making certificates, even if only online.
Since we have so much to decide and things that must be done, I suggest we have a conference call for the three of us to finalize our plans. The number is an International Number: 011-469-8672-7398 (howtoscrewu). You and Jason let me know which day works best for you and the time. Gee, this is getting exciting. Just think, untold millions just a few months away. I just can’t believe how lukcy my E-mail address is. I just won 4 more lotteries because of it, and I have never heard of any of these before. But I know they are legitimate because I was told I couldn’t tell anyone about my good fortune until after I get paid. Hmmm, come to think of it, pretty much like GPP.
Comment by EagleOne — 16th June 2008 @ 9:16 pm
And yet more delay on the forums, apparently over 7000 people have forgotten their passwords.
Sounds hard to believe….
Comment by Jason — 17th June 2008 @ 1:48 pm
I’m quite busy at work now, but I think we can schedule something. Luckily I’m about receive a significant amount of money, so I’ll be freed from the chains of labor soon enough. There’s some widow of a late african dictator, who wants to share her huge inheritance with me in exchange for my help. I mean, what are the changes of that happening?!?
And what comes to our little project, we won’t have the same kind of problems with passwords like GPP. Since in RIPOFF we use credit card numbers for customers password. It’s simple and easy, and people won’t forget it.
Of course, one might argue that it opens a door to credit card thefts and such. But trust me, RIPOFFs multitalented admin Faith Tapiola is an honest person, and wouldn’t abuse any info given to her.
I think all of us trust partners can guarantee that she’s worth the trust…
Comment by Rokka — 17th June 2008 @ 8:42 pm
Rokka: Where’s your faith? I already quit my job as I am going to be receiving all this money from my 14 E-mail lottery winnings, helping stand in as next of kin so my banker friends (4) and I can share in the deceased’s millions that would have gone unclaimed, and of course the 2 widow ladies (dying from cancer) who want me to help them distribute their wealth as they cannot trust family members to do the right thing. You know how those “famiy” members can be at times. I wouldn’t wait, but step out in faith.
I have to admit though I was a little nervous and worried, as many of them use gmail or hotmail for an E-mail address. But then I rememberd that Stella does too, so I knew I had nothing to worry about.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th June 2008 @ 11:13 pm
I have been told if I invest another $65.00 under a different name, I can have a back office in GPP, and be able to read emails from Stella. Then I can see if B.Seigler actually took care of business and submitted my other contracts or not. Would this be a good idea? Clyde
Comment by clyde reeves, sr — 18th June 2008 @ 12:35 am
Come on man! Why buy a lottery ticket when you can become rich using ths GPP?!?! I’ll tell you, the only thing that you have to do is WAIT! It’ll be here next month! — Right! — Note this is sarcasm!! for anyone joining this post please note that this is a serious SCAM!!!
Please read the previous mails about this fabulous scam!
Again, I must admit that this was something else! The play on somones dreams! It is just incredible! A deal that seems to be too good to be true, it probably is!!
I’ll admit, I thought that if this was true, I did not want to be the one who was left out!
Why did I do that!!! Well if you were in a downline, as I was, then you would hear of what is such a great opportunity. Well can’t cry over stolen money, but I will try everything that i can to inform everyone of this scam…
— OK off the box! — Just wanted to update newcomers to this forum!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th June 2008 @ 2:23 am
Eagle: I do have faith, if it’s written in the internet, it has to be for real. And especially if business opportunity like this comes to ones personal email, it has to taken seriously. I don’t mind that these messages come from gmail or hotmail addresses, lots of legitimate companies use those. Sure, you have to give some money at first to somebody you know nothing about, but that’s just investing.
That’s the way economy works.
And what comes to our project, I have one promoter in mind who we should use. This woman, Heather wolf, seems to be promoting in her blog every RPP that exists, including GPP. I might not be strong in faith, but this woman has faith for the whole lot of us.
It sure is funny to read her site. My opinion is that, she got scammed with RPPs few times, then actually realised that, and started her own scam. One needs to read just to read her site, and you can start own RPP, from there you can find everything you need to run it, ie. all the lousy excuses and so on…
Comment by Rokka — 18th June 2008 @ 5:15 am
You are right. She is far better than all the extan’s combined. I have to admit though, that she doesn’t perform all these amazing feats that our extan’s do, and we have come to love, but for the sheer number of programs she offers, I think she is a winner for us. I guess we could always sub-rent out our cheerleading and promoting duties so the extan’s are not completely cut out. We’ll have to discuss this on our teleconference.
Speaking of the extan’s where did they all go?
Comment by EagleOne — 18th June 2008 @ 7:23 am
Sure GPP is in a wait and see mode, no mention about their banking solution, I could recommend which bank to use, yesterday we opend an account, not for GPP money, much better, real business! No details of course, recently we bought a cheese for R1.65 which shoud have cost R82.75 for 0,7kg, so just lucky they did not pick it up at the till. Think we going to be lucky with our latest deal!! Have been very busy lately. Wish you all the best!
Comment by EXTAN — 18th June 2008 @ 9:41 am
Extan that alone shows us you a scamming, dishonest mofo.
Any decent person would point out their mistake and pay the right price for the cheese.
Seems Stella is in good company with you…
Comment by Jason — 18th June 2008 @ 1:17 pm
Next thing we will know is he found a 3ct diamond ring inside worth $100,000. But hey, it was someone else who paid for it, not him. Hmmm, come to think of it, that’s what GPP is all about.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th June 2008 @ 4:17 pm
Eagle, Jason,
Could not have been said better.
Did you note what Extan said… We are a wait and see mode. Hmmm so GPP is playing “hide and seek” with our money huh? I rather believe that it is a “Hide and spend other’s money” game.
How long has it been since any info was provided to investors.
We all know about the scammy bank that money was provided to. The one ot of a possible 10. I made note in another forum just a minute or two ago…. That’s the type of bank that I want to hold my money in.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th June 2008 @ 3:07 am
Oh yea,
This came from that other forum that I spoke of… This clown was asking for proof that GPP was a scam… Funny that these questions could not be answered….
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Was it opinion or a fact that GPP said they had a banking solution in place when they started? Was it opinion or fact GPP said they would have an anonymous debit card? Was it opinion or fact that GPP said the additional policies would not effect the payment date? Was it opinion or fact that GPP said the payments would begin February 15? Was it opinion or fact that GPP said the members would have the full month of January to submit their documents? Was it opinion or fact that GPP said they had to stay below the radar of the regulatory and government agencies? Was it opinion or fact that GPP said they did not have to comply with any regualtory agencies? Was it opinion or fact that a banking solution is now in place? Is it opinion or fact that GPP is being investigated by Finland? Is it opinion or fact that GPP is illegal in Sweden? Is it opinion or fact that GPP was checked out and found not to be doing anything illegal? Was it opinion or fact that Stella deleted posts on the forum? Was it opinion or fact that GPP has no contact information of any kind except Stella’s free E-mail account? Was it opinion or fact that the Trust were experts and had extensive contacts within the financial community? Was it opinion or fact that GPP said they had a Professional IT Partner
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I think that this was pretty good.
Well, extan you think that you can take a couple of these questions on? Personally I doubt it. I guess that you’ll have to tell us all about another vacation that you are going on…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th June 2008 @ 3:11 am
Jason you are a fool I once got a bar fridge for free, if shops are stupid so what??
Comment by EXTAN — 19th June 2008 @ 9:57 am
Extan, if you consider me a fool for being honest and having moral fibre, it just shows how low you truely are.
I stick to my statement….Stella is in REAL good company with you son
Comment by Jason — 19th June 2008 @ 10:45 am
From LynnRE on another forum, and I quote:
“Now that June is half-over, thought it would be worthwhile to do a 6 month recap on GPP:
In December we had the big announcement that starting in January the members would be sending in their documents, they would have the whole month to get them in to GPP; and you would be able to buy more policies through the end of January. But not to worry, buying these additional policies would not have any effect on the mid-February payout. Yes boys and girls, GPP was going to pay out! The members were ecstatic believing the promised payout of mid-February would come true. The promoters were making fun of all those naysayers, and it wouldn’t be long until they would be shown a thing or two. Everything was euphoria in GPP land.
First week of January and no information on where to send the documents, but the promoters told everyone to be patient and it wasn’t a big deal. Then the announcement that “surprise,” they had to find a banking solution because they just found out that you can no longer have an anonymous debit card. Guess they had been asleep the past 6 or so years. But not to worry, this was being run by Professionals, and after all they had extensive contacts in the Financial community. Guess they jut forgot to contact them. So off Stella went in search of a banking solution with the Trust partners. Ah yes Stella, the one person admin, customer service rep, financial guru, paralegal and contract expert was off to 3 continents in search of this elusive banking solution. But not to worry, you could still buy more policies.
Well, January came and went with no information on where to send the documents, and of course no payout for February as was previously told would happen by Stella and the Trust partners back in December. But not to worry, just a small glitch and after all, we had professionals in charge and all would be made right soon. Then the big announcement that updates might only be made monthly, but you could still buy more policies.
February faded into the sunset, and March came in like a lamb. But it sure was going to go out like a lion. Before Stella could click her ruby slippers 3 times, all kinds of fun things started happening. Late March and early April saw GPIT get raided, and Stella letting everyone know GPIT was not GPP; you had the website hacked; database compromised; and fake E-mails being sent to the membership. Stella, being the professional she is, waited a whole 2 days before issuing a short statement saying the E-mail was fake, not to fall for it, and it was not GPP that had sent it. No mass mailing to the membership warning them, but no, the members had to logon to the website to find out what had happened. A couple more days went by before Stella, that consummate professional, announced that now that the database had been compromised, you needed, excuse me, she demanded you change your password. And of course we cannot forget the Finnish authorities announced they are investigating GPP. The Finnish promoter’s of GPP removed all references to GPP from their E-mail & forum post signature lines, as well as on their websites; But not to worry it is not big deal, just a tax issue according to the faithful promoters of GPP not living in Finland. Guess the Finn’s who were promoting GPP didn’t get the E-mail telling them it was just a tax issue, and they had nothing to worry about. Stella had no comment. And of course now you could buy more policies at a discount.
May saw the announcement that they were going to open up the profiles for people to update them one more time, and an announcement would be coming soon just when this exciting event would take place. Finally it was learned the profiles would be available for updating but would close again on June 8. Suddenly Stella was beseiged by over 7,000 E-mails of members losing their passwords, and she had to set up a special free E-mail account for the members to contact her so they could get new ones. Of course during all this hectic time, you could still buy more policies. Due to the overwhelming load of E-mails of members needing new passwords, the updates of the profiles was not closed on June 8. Now the scary part of this is the reason why they were locked in the first place was to keep the information from being hacked. Now, it is unknown how long these profiles will be exposed to potential hackers. We cannot forget that during this time in June, chico announced the banking solution had been obtained, but Stella was not going to release the information to the members just yet. Chico is special. Something about all those naysayers causing problems, or some such nonsense. But the good news is you can still buy more policies.
If it hadn’t been for being able to buy more policies, this would have collapsed a long time ago.”
Found out that chico is chicosan, a poster who is a GPP promoter. I too am curious as to why he would be told, but not the members if a banking solution was in place; but that is what chico said. Just thought you all would enjoy it, even all the extans.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th June 2008 @ 8:56 pm
Eagle,
I was reading this from that other forum! This has got to be one of the best compilations that I’ve seen in a while!
You know, when anyone reads this, I just have to say…. No one else can/should now fall for this scam!!! This is straight up FACT! No hackers, mean old banks, or boogey men in that post!
Extan, sorry bud. You have no leg to stand on now. Why don’t you tell us what is not true here?
My friends,
If he cannot tell us… Then again, we know where he stands… As a cheerleader! Prove me wrong and address that post.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th June 2008 @ 10:54 pm
Where should money to be sent now? Which of thse scammy banks get’s the dough? Anyone know?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th June 2008 @ 11:31 pm
Everyone,
This is just too good… This is something from another forum. The chearleader there made some statements about us investors… Might get insight as to what they think of us.
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The very reason that you and no one else has the trust partner nor the insurance folks information is simple.
They dont want 100 k of idiots calling them.
Come on come up with more bu ll**** i would never give you my info either.
No one wants to talk to you stupid f ucks
———My Response————–
Let’s see… A Billion dollar company, with no Points of Contact, no financial information and all of these clowns telling everyone “It’s ok, we just have to wait”! Give me a break. This is a straight up SCAM
NAME ONE… just one company that has employed these scammy practices! Just one! You can even mention even the scammy “business” (everyone watch this answer)….
Yes, nice try.. Yea the whole 100k people calling all at once. A Billion dollar company should have been able to talk to them all individually – ANYWAY! That is if this were a Billion dollar business! NOT!
In all seriousness, if for nothing else, why couldn’t this “Stella”, keep members informed as to what is happening. For goodness sake, she can’t even use FREE email to pass along info? NO, because they are running out of excuses!!!!
So it is supposed to be OK for people to send money to some clown and never ask about it for 3 years. Right . This equals SCAM!
Everyone,
Lastly, I make note to what this clown has said to us all!
He said:
” I would never give you my info either. No one wants to talk to you stupid f ucks.”
Indeed, I would say enough said! So he is talking about the entire 100k of us. As he is speaking of us all, he’s saying that GPP should not communicate with any of us!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Indeed look at what he’s calling all of us investors.
— I say to you (who wrote that post), “watch what you say, it could bite you on your a$$.
So the company that we are sending money to, should not give the investors any of GPP’s company’s information… It is however ok for the GPP to receive our information…. Remember when these clowns were asking for your most valuable documents… Birth certificate, passport, etc.? We give our most valuable info to them so that they may use this info for ID thieft… We’d get Screwed again.
Sad call there buddy… People are not stupid. All they ned to see is a post or two from any of these forums and they too will see how much of a SCAM this is!
Oh by the way, you did not answer any questions posed to you? What you are too good, to omuch of a coward, or just don’t want the money ride to end?
In case you don’t remember the questions, a few of them ends with my Screen Name.
MikeCheck
—————-END————-
This is clearly from a chearleader. Seems to have a vested interest.. You’d have to read the nonsense being sponken from him.
I will say to EVERYONE… These clowns employ the same practices. uestions are posed, and they do everything but answer them. Like Extan here for example. After a good question is posed, he’ll tell us of this great tip that he just went on, the next week tell us of how he’s going Mountain climbing, the next week, some other exciting trip. Yea, Right.
Now for me to find another fourum to post this scammy info — Yes, of course if the forum will allow me to get in. I remember when I was in one till I asked pointed questions. I was then booted from the forum!!! ** OH yea, I forgot to mention how positive this forum had gotten! Everyone there had good will good feelings, never worried about the time it was taking to get a payout and everything else. Now does that tell you something?
Well there are more fourms to inform others about this scam to!
Get the word out everyone!
This money stealing scam needs to be shut down!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 21st June 2008 @ 5:26 pm
Yes Jason good to be honest I am too but if I did not take it someone else would take it for sure, so that way I nearly got a Golf 2 for free, but my stepdaughter phoned Wesbank (the local car financing bank)to collect the car and to sell it for a profit, good for them, sure they had part of the car already paid so pure win!! So sometimes an extra 50 bucks from the Atm, would you give it back or say it was my luck, thank you! No idea about GPP, funny people!
Comment by Extan — 21st June 2008 @ 10:19 pm
Read where you feel GPP is a scam. I would like to know more, much more, tell us there location in Europe , there emails, that is what we need. Yes, I bought 16 contracts thru B. Seig. , we have not been paid, you say they are not going to pay. How do we find them? clyde
Comment by clyde reeves, sr — 22nd June 2008 @ 1:01 am
Can anyone explain what Extan said in English? Bring back the old EXTAN, because at least you could understand him.
Comment by EagleOne — 22nd June 2008 @ 4:03 am
Clyde,
I’m sorry. You have been had, just as the rest of us.
I will ask, which bank were you asked to transfer your money to?
There are a lot of pumpers of this program here. I sus[ect that they are trying to keep the GPP dream (I mean SCAM) alive. Take this Extan charater. Now he’s playing golf somewhere. ok, not so unbelieveable, but why tell us this nonsense when we are talking about our money as it relates to GPP?
Might I also ask how long that you’ve been waiting for this to pay out?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd June 2008 @ 5:16 am
Eagle,
What this Extan is saying is that: “it’s ok to cheat, scam and lie if you don’t get caught and if I wouldn’t do it, somebody else would”.
At least this last writing from Extan shows, what kind of a person he really is. He’s obviously blaming the stepdaughter for being honest in a situation, where he could have made some profit illegally. What a model citizen…
Comment by Rokka — 22nd June 2008 @ 8:49 am
TO Mike check: Thanks for caring. I sent all my investment to B.Sig. by post office m.o. Clyde
Comment by clyde reeves, sr — 22nd June 2008 @ 3:49 pm
mike check: I forgot to mention, I start sending in the investment money orders in Feb. 2008. Clydee
Comment by clyde reeves, sr — 22nd June 2008 @ 3:51 pm
Clyde,
You know, you made me think of something…. I’ll be right back with you…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 22nd June 2008 @ 7:05 pm
Rokka: Thanks for the translation. I figured it was something like that, as that seems to be the mentality of all the promoters of these scams. Here’s another promoter’s take on things, and I quote: “Just for your information, I have been able to get payment from over 30 programs and some of these proved to be scams. This includes PIPs, FLO 1 and 2, Russo, KISS, Troybank etc. I was shown how to use apparent scams and make money before they go down and since I NO NOT refer anyone to any program, I hurt no one.” Translation, it’s OK to steal as long as I don’t refer anyone.
Extan fits right in with these people and is definitely of the mold the scammers are looking for to aid them. As the old saying goes, “you are known by the company you keep.”
Comment by EagleOne — 23rd June 2008 @ 10:24 am
Eagle,
Well said. Very interesting. This clown is telling us of these scams where money was made before the scam shuts down… Sounds familiar huh?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd June 2008 @ 7:12 pm
The jig is up!!! As it has been for a while now. Got a letter from the Department of Justice stating that Ben Seigler has now been arrested for fraud and taking money from investors with promises of huge returns. There you have it.
Comment by Gabriel — 24th June 2008 @ 3:45 pm
Whatever the case is, I have read that ‘Stella’ did say they had nothing to do with this Ben character and to stay away from him.
From what I understand, he tried to make out as though he was part of GPP acting as a middleman and saying you could only get into GPP through him.
He then bailed with all the cash.
This is just what I remeber reading. Time will soon tell how this is going to play out.
Comment by Jason — 24th June 2008 @ 4:05 pm
It would appear that that he bailed with SOME of the cash. I am part of a group that gave money to Ben Seigler (lets just call him B.S.) to join GPP. I and the people in that group do show up in GPP’s website as being members. Stella is not speaking the truth if she has stated that they have had no dealings with this guy. Hopefully the investigative trail will lead right back to her and everyone associated with promoting GPP and they will all end up in jail together. I have been reading this forum since November of last year. Extan, EXTAN or whoever you are, if you are still naive to this whole scam, wake up!!! If you in actuality are one of them, I hope you one day find yourself behind bars with the rest of the scammers.
Comment by Gabriel — 24th June 2008 @ 5:45 pm
Hi there, actually not worried much about GPP, think they are screwd up somehow with immense trouble, it is better to work out your own system of creating money and be with the right business parners then millions will start rolling like crazy into your secret account, will soon go on a long holiday 🙂
Comment by Extan — 24th June 2008 @ 5:48 pm
My guess is that, Extan is going for a same kind of vacation as Ben Seigler…
Comment by Rokka — 24th June 2008 @ 9:44 pm
Ha! The jig is up! That’s a gave mea good laugh… So ole boy is in for it huh? This should be interesting as to how this will crumble down to GPP…
I was in another forum, and someone else was explaining of how they got jacked by this guy. He must have made hundreds of thousands if not Millions on this one.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th June 2008 @ 3:01 am
Rokka, I’m not going to a jail, our business is 100% legal, like selling bread, just much better profits :-). About Ben, he is not really part of GPP or is he? Anyway, we plan to be in Europe during their short summer and back at home during our summer, the winter here is not cold, usually not lower than +6 degr C, but can be very wet at times and windy, i.e. mediteranean climate.
Comment by EXTAN — 25th June 2008 @ 2:15 pm
Extan,
When you are locked up in the big house, you can also dream up other places to go just as you are doing now. I hear that there is good golf on the moon.
MikeCheck
Comment by mikecheck — 25th June 2008 @ 10:43 pm
Oh,Extan, You always just crack me up. If you are such a successful businessman, why would you have invested in GPP? And why would you be here defending it? Surely a guy with such a magnificent business sense as yours, would understand that GPP surely can’t work.
And what comes to Ben Seigler and GPP. Well, there’s surely no honor among thieves. Probably BS just kept the money that was supposed to go to GPP, to himself. To whom would “stella” and co. report this theft, to police? I don’t think so.
This guy was like Extan, he saw opportunity to take make some profit, no matter that it wasn’t exactly legal. Probably he thought the same too: “if it would not have been me, it would have been someone else.”
To Gabriel:
My guess is that, even though BS didn’t pay any of the money to GPP, you were still added to GPP as a member. Why would scammers behind GPP bother to revoke your membership when they realise that they weren’t paid, since they weren’t planning to pay anything to members anyways? This was just a case of scammers getting scammed.
Comment by Rokka — 26th June 2008 @ 12:43 am
Rokka: Actually EXTAN, Extan, extan, extant said they were no good at business, just superior at math. Which in itself is ironic since most successful businessmen that I know are really good at math. Of course they have never bothered to explain how mathematically you can turn $35 into $55,000. I think history has shown others tried this by turning lead into gold, but just like GPP, they failed. One of these days I should post how ludicrous this all is from just a premium paying aspect. It makes their bogus $41,000 average policy premium, well a lie, which also makes their payout, bonsuses, etc. also a lie. But with Stella, 3 lies make a truth I guess.
Speaking of Stella, guess she is swamped handling all those 14,000 password reset E-mails all by her little ole lonesome to have time to update the members. Now for a “professional” organization, you would think they would hire some “temps” to help her. But I guess when you are wonder woman, paralegal, contract negotiator, and world traveler you don’t need any stinkin temps. And people think this is real. Incredible.
Comment by EagleOne — 26th June 2008 @ 1:40 am
Rokka;
What an excellent point that you make. There is no honor among thieves! You all recall when that other website came around and people began buying the policies from this other dude… HA! HA! HA!… Do you all recall how fast the “got on the stick” and blurted out “DO NOT SEND MONEY TO THIS WEBSITE”!!! HA!!!!!!!!!!! The scammers were getting scammed!!!
Take a look at what they now say to people who are new to buying a policy… They are now making SURE that the money goes to them! I cant remember but they say that if you are not sending money to “this” site, location, do not send the money! In other words, don’t give my money to someone else! What a laugh! We can see how fast this got Stella to get on the move! HA!!!!
Extan,
You state that your business is 100% legal.. like buying bread. Well it’s still a scam if you don’t give the people the bread that you say you will provide… Well, a little something like GPP huh?
Everyone,
Do I have to say, even another time, “Here we go again”? Take note! Everytime this clown gets pushed into a corner, he tells us of the next great trip! — YOU KNOW, with all of these trips around the world that ole’ boy is taking, it makes you wonder, how is he running his business? Makes me think that he is not! I think that they are just dreams being thought up in an internet cafe’.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 26th June 2008 @ 2:37 am
Hey you are really going bonkers, I’m on holiday waiting for the big money, discounting GPP. I did not buy anything at GPP got it sponsored, understand? Hold your wakky when you sleep, see what happens, might help 🙂 Always ready!!
Comment by Extan — 27th June 2008 @ 7:53 pm
Seems I remember someone telling us that June/July would be the date of the big payout. Hmmm, now I wonder who that was? Well, here it is the end of June, still no word on the submission of the documents, not a peep about the banking solution from Stella, BUT you can still buy more policies.
Now we have you “discounting” GPP monies. Gee, we have gone from this is the real deal, it is going to pay just be patient, I have it on assurances and I know it is going to pay, etc. to now discounting GPP. I thought you had this inside track and knew so much. I mean you have told us how an astute of an investor you are, so what happened?
Comment by EagleOne — 27th June 2008 @ 8:33 pm
So EXTAN, you decided not to invest in this scam too huh? Good for you! EVERYONE, EXTAN IS NOT INVESTING IN THIS SCAM! So follow along and do not invest in the scam along with him!
Oh, you’ll have to excuse his perversion though…
My friends,
Eagle has shown that Extan simply does not have much business sense. Yes this Millionaire business man… In effect, from what we have seen, his word is pretty much worthless. Knowledge of the scam huh? I mean GPP.
I’m sorry that this sounds so brutal, but the truth sometimes hurts. As mentioned you said that the pay out would occur soon. There is no proff that anything has happened since December. You have proven that your word is unreliable YOURSELF!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th June 2008 @ 12:52 am
My Friends,
Please take note of this! Something that I just realized!! This is something that I just shared….
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I brought up an excellent point that I hadn’t spoke of!!! Yes, why are those id numbers changing!?!?!??! (NOTE THE LINK below) My goodness! Everyone please review these posts immediately!!!!.
hamarana.com/?p=315
Review the link specified to that specific person! She’s getting her cut here!!! Amusing!
Take note!
P.S.!!!!!!!!!!!
Why does GPP have two banks listed and NO BANKING SOLUTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Surely does make me say HMMMMMMMMMMM That’s even another good one!!! I’ll tell you these two realizations are so good that I must share in even another post!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th June 2008 @ 2:26 pm
My Friends,
I was browsing through the web and decided to take a quick look at GPP. There I found a post by Sharon from a Year ago! Read the first page or two about this scam. Please note post # 8. Lets review info from what we were supposed to do from then and review what we are supposed to do NOW.
bizoppsuk.com/gpp_comments.php
Went through a lot of banks with no solution…..
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th June 2008 @ 3:06 pm
Mike: I took your advice and read some earlier comments on this blog regarding GPP. Last september Stella was busy with failed signups and refunds, then there were problems with hackers, bqnking solution, etc. These scammers are getting lazy. They can’t even come up with new excuses, they just recycle the old ones. As an interested follower of internet scams, I demand better lies and excuses 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 29th June 2008 @ 7:23 pm
i feel i have to agree with the majority now. no meaningful info from any source concerning gpp,this programme appears to be dead in the water!
Comment by jacko — 30th June 2008 @ 1:25 pm
Don’t you find it a bit strange that BLOG TEAM THEMCO have no internet connection at the same tiMe Stella has gone quite and made no updates?
J
Comment by jason — 30th June 2008 @ 3:24 pm
I find it strange that they still have a website, and haven’t run yet. Must still be selling more policies.
Then it will be fun to hear Stella’s latest excuses as to why no bank solution, documents to be sent. Will it be the same old tired song and dance, or will they try to get creative and come up with a new lie to tell?
Comment by EagleOne — 1st July 2008 @ 2:30 am
Has anyone noticed that the chearleaders seemingly have left the building. Stella is out of here, the cheerleaders can’t defend this scam, and the proof that this is a scam has prevailed. Now to inform others so that they will not enter into this scam.
Possible newcomers if you need to know anything about this scam please ask. I think that I’ll be able to show you something that you can review.
Actually came across a new site that is very informative on RPP scams. I’ll share this after I review it further.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 1st July 2008 @ 3:18 am
From another forum, and sorry cannot give credit as the poster is unregistered, but this is funny: “Bookies in Vegas have given the Titantic better odds of completing its maiden voyage than GPP paying out.”
Since all the Extan’s are good at math, I am betting they figure this one out. Wonder if they will take the odds? Make far more money than with GPP. LOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 1st July 2008 @ 5:28 am
My Friends,
I also took something from that site. This is an address of a website that shows scammy practices!!! Please note the similarities with GPP!!!!
Very informative! I’m still reviewing it…
You’ll see that the information here may be too great for the scammers on this board! I’d like to se a response if they so dare…
eagleresearchassociates.org/consumer-investigation.html
Remember to put on the www.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd July 2008 @ 1:44 am
Well, Stella came out of hiding (well somewhat) and made “2” updated posts on the forum. Of course this is being hailed as great news by the faithful. I guess when Stella posts anything it should be considered good news that she actually did something, but I digress.
Now let’s break this “great news” down. Eureka! She just finished the December refunds. Hmmm, taking six months to process one month of refunds means that Stella will have them all caught up in 2010. The other piece of news is that people still cannot follow simple directions, and she still has lots of passwords that have not been reset. This means the database is still open and subject to hackers. But the truly good news in all of this is, YOU CAN STILL BUY MORE POLICIES!
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd July 2008 @ 5:43 pm
Just very busy and nothing new from GPP not very interesting to write/read here rather waiting for other high end cash from another source, real selling no lame pension stuff… !
Comment by Extan — 2nd July 2008 @ 6:49 pm
Extan,Let me guess. You’re in some MLM system selling over priced soaps? Guess what? Just like GPP, it’s not going to make you rich…
Comment by Rokka — 2nd July 2008 @ 7:22 pm
One quote for Extan:
““He who is humble is confident and wise. He who brags is insecure and lacking.†-Lisa Edmondson
Comment by Rokka — 2nd July 2008 @ 7:32 pm
Hi Rokka, Great quote mate, Love ya.
Comment by who cares — 3rd July 2008 @ 10:10 am
MikeCheck: Thanks for the heads up on the website. Some real interesting reading, as well as links to many other resources. A lot of information to digest.
Now come on, fess up. You know that this is your website. You’ve been exposed on another forum.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th July 2008 @ 8:39 am
Eagle,
Ha! No problem! I wish that I could say that it is mine! Yes, as you’ll note though on that forum, I actually did not bring it to that site (although no one can really ID themselves). I’ll say this… If it were my site, I sure would not be hesitant to say that it was…
I’ll also say that if I knew about this site earlier it would have been up here obut six or seven months ago when these clowns began to do their monthly push back of the ay outs!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 4th July 2008 @ 6:55 pm
EagleOne, Two – or Lynnre. Why sell yourself short? It’s your site. Bit of self publicity? Honesty might be the best policy.
Comment by Skeptic — 4th July 2008 @ 8:21 pm
Well it is obvious that the promoters of scams don’t like the site, and of course they are trying to convince people not to visit it. Guess they are afraid it will cut into their “profits.” You can always tell when something is feared, they immediately try to attack its credibility, and throw suspicion on the motives of the people involved. The latest attempt is to say it is being run by a right-wing wacko Christian fundamentalist. Now that was funny.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th July 2008 @ 11:49 pm
rocking again, good for you, I’m getting my doubts about GPP, think Stella is getting old, she forgot to talk about the progress about the banking solution, no more go in her head and no more travelling by aircraft all around the earth, what utter joke! Can anyone like Team Themco wake her up, please do so for those that have no other source of income.
It’s raining cats and dogs, must go out with my girlfriend and walk in the shopping centres, no jogging in the rain 🙁 !
Comment by Extan — 5th July 2008 @ 2:48 pm
Rokka, where did I brag, just told the truth and if you can’t take it, or are the jealous type, just rock on and give “who cares” a big hug. Nice quote for non-achievers, we should soon be filthy rich thanks to my girlfriends hardworking efforts, aren’t some women just absolutely wonderful, Stella and Co. should be ashamed to earn money through such dubious methods!! Take Care
Comment by Extan — 6th July 2008 @ 9:53 am
Extan,
I said it before, empty can rattles the most 🙂
But all mudslinging aside, are you coming to your senses and admitting that GPP is a scam?
Comment by Rokka — 6th July 2008 @ 11:33 am
Extan you are such a twat, so you doing a full 180* ?
Comment by Jason — 6th July 2008 @ 9:29 pm
Looks like we need to proceed to the next step and provide our documents. In a weeks time. Read the forum
Comment by who cares — 8th July 2008 @ 6:13 am
Jason: In Extans case, it’s just rats leaving the sinking ship…
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Comment by Rokka — 8th July 2008 @ 7:43 am
Ha, like Mike always says, now we have to send our docs to GPP, wait another half year, drivers licence not ID, so Stella or Team Themco might have read my letter?? So they seem to have 2 banks that support them, so if I’m a twat Jason wash your face and have a good day, Rokka kiss your whatever or take a boat ride and 🙂
Comment by Extan — 8th July 2008 @ 1:40 pm
Sorry Extan, if I did hurt your feelings. I’ll take it back, you’re obviously not leaving the sinking ship. I was quite surprised to notice that you’re becoming little bit negative about GPP. But now I see that you’re back to your old cheerleading-self. Your momentary lapse of (GPP)faith is gone and you’re back, even more full of BS then ever…
Comment by Rokka — 8th July 2008 @ 5:43 pm
suddenly gone quiet !!??
Comment by marco — 9th July 2008 @ 8:50 pm
Extan your full of B.s…when you were you saying a few comments down on comment 1194 dated july 6..were you implying that Stella is your girlfriend??..You have changed extan first you support gpp then you seem to not really… now like Rokka says your back with the bull shit..yeah I saw the gpp update about how the pay outs coming soon yeah well see won’t we..I am a positive type guy but now its just ridiculous..and throughout all this bull crap that gpp is doing and all these problems that they have had…have you all noticed there is one thing that they have never had a problem in doing…give up?? selling more policies and taking more money from other people who fell victim to this shi*t…think about it what are they saying? What have they always been saying?? “You can buy more policies”…when they were having banking prob. guess what you can buy more policies…when hackers supposedly hacked the website..guess what you can buy more policies..when the website was frozen and forums are shut down for security purposes..guess what you can still buy more policies…does anyone else see where I am going with this???..on a different not..has everyone heard about Ben Siegler??..That con is goin to court in Virginia for his scams..atleast one member of this rip off organization is getting whats due to him..even though, gpp says that have nothing to do with Ben Siegler…give me a break….I know the truth..I think we all do
Comment by Jaycob — 10th July 2008 @ 2:07 am
Jaycob,
You are so very right! Ha, the only thing that has been a constant is that GPP will allow you to buy more policies!
I ask, why? I mean, I’m not even sure what people are to be getting at this point!!! Is GPP saying that they will just straight up will give these people 55K just for letting them “hold onto” your money for what should now be a couple of weeks?
I tell you, I just can’t say it enough… I’m so sorry that many are still falling victim to this no last name, no address, no non-free email address STELLA.
What a SCAM! Aparently a good one.. Got me… I am going to try to make up for that though. Telling everyone that I can about this scam!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 11th July 2008 @ 2:12 am
Jaycob you must be new to this blog, you are talking bull, sorry for you, just wait and see, you are on the wrong track!! Enjoy
Comment by Extan — 11th July 2008 @ 11:20 am
“Stella and Co. should be ashamed to earn money through such dubious methods”
I’m getting my doubts about GPP, think Stella is getting old, she forgot to talk about the progress about the banking solution, no more go in her head and no more travelling by aircraft all around the earth, what utter joke”
Some recent quotes from our favorite cheerleader, Extan.
Here we have some negative comments about GPP, and then again he shows up here defending GPP. Talk about flip-flopping…
Extan,
Jaycob might be new to comment on this blog, but everything he said was true. If you think he’s wrong, please provide some facts to prove him wrong. That is, if you can.
And on lighter note, in one finnish forum stella got a new name, now it’s stellASS. Sounds good to me 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 11th July 2008 @ 2:28 pm
It seems this blog is dying down, just some howlers left? 🙂 what happend to Mike, is he searching for the bank solution? Anyway, Rokka, have fun!!
Comment by Extan — 11th July 2008 @ 7:43 pm
still nothing on this blog, GPP is on line, maybe next year,I’ve just finished a readers letter for 2 of our major newspapers about the stupid car drivers on our roads (diplomatic!), you should see this, absolute mayhem, using fog lights and parking lights in bright sunshine!! Mike, slam your brakes if you come here, very dangerous!
It’s all about not using the brain, just lovely Xmas lights!
Comment by Extan — 11th July 2008 @ 11:21 pm
WHAT?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 12th July 2008 @ 3:25 am
He just gets worse!
Comment by Blade68 — 12th July 2008 @ 12:28 pm
Extan is clearly deranged….
But out of interest, who that posts here actually has a gpp ‘policy’
I have a couple 🙁
Comment by Jason — 12th July 2008 @ 11:01 pm
I HAVE A COUPLE OF POLICIES THAT WERE GIFTED TO ME AS A PREZZIE/INVESMENT, I WAIT WITH BAITED BREATH.
Comment by marco — 14th July 2008 @ 4:31 pm
I have a few, but im not holding out much hope!
Comment by Blade68 — 14th July 2008 @ 9:12 pm
My friends,
As much as I’d like to have these funds flow into your hands, I would not have you wait on monies that will not appear. I feel bad in that I too was a victim.
In reviewing what has been said about this program, we have heard nothing about this scam in respect to the status. In all seriousness, any valid investment would have updated information on a regular basis. As I always mentioned, a real email address.
Anyone ever wonder why there is not an email ending in gpp’s domain name? That would have been too easy to do!!! Would not make the company seem SO VERY CHEESY!!! Now that is more than suspect!
I’d only ask, that you not fall victim of any type of ID theft! Once they get your info, you’ll probably find yourself with some great lines of credit! Only problem is that these lines of credit and fabulous credit cards will be maxed out by the next day that it’s issued!
Take care of your private info!
DO NOT SHARE YOUR MOST IMPORTAND DOCUMENTS WITH SOME CLOWN WHO WILL NOT IDENTIFY THEMSELVES TO YOU!!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 14th July 2008 @ 10:40 pm
Stella posted the update with instructions on the documents to be sent.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th July 2008 @ 8:04 pm
Although I doubt it, I laugh this is legit.
Everything everyone has said has been speculation to date, with no real solid facts. (to my knowledge)
Of course it could also be the biggest ID fraud in history too 🙂
Only time will tell.
I am sure Mike will have a opinion though !
Go get em Mike 🙂
Comment by Jason — 15th July 2008 @ 9:38 pm
I just had a thought after reading the gpp forum. She mentions the email would be made pulic on the 17th to where the info must be sent.
I can’t see a gmail address dealing with 100 000 emails each of 2 + megs worth of attatchments.
Would be cool to see a money@globalpp.net email address to put us at ease.
Not holding my breath though
Comment by Jason — 15th July 2008 @ 9:42 pm
Jason,
My friend, you are so very right about me saying a word or two about this crime taking place as we watch!!!!!
To say that I have something to say about this statement by Stella staing something about getting your papers together and jpg’s of your documents, to some secret address on a specific day is absolutely CRIME like MATERIAL.
So far this has been a SCAM. Yes, this is a crime…. BUT!!!! The ID theft that is about to happen is truly a CRIME just waiting to happen!!!! A CRIME I TELL YOU!!! DO NOT DO IT!!!!
Friends,
If you must do this, and I beg that you do not, at least wait a few days and see what you are hearing from other members who have done so. I fear that it will be saddened stories…
Yes, I’ll be back to address some of these new items that have just appeared!
For the moment, PLEASE STAY AWAY FROM THIS SCAM!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 16th July 2008 @ 12:08 am
I’ve been searching around for information on this Global Pension Plan for a while, as a friend of mine has signed up for it. I’ve advised him against it, but he seems to know what’s right.
Anyway, the other day he received an email and asked me to take a look at it. It came from GPP (TheBestbizness@aol.com) and this is what it says:
Hi folks,
At last the instructions for which we have been waiting!!
This from Stella: –
“Dear Members,
We are now ready to start accepting the documents. Please follow these
instructions carefully to ensure the safe delivery and to save both yourself
and us from further trouble and extra work.
1. Scan your passport copy and the completed and signed Membership Agreement. Make two JPEG/JPG files, don’t combine them into one file. One file must not be larger than 1MB, so use 150dpi resolution.
2. Compose one email with only your username in the subject line and two attachments. Do not write anything to the email body, it will not be read. Do not send more than one email for one member.
3. Send the email to: (email address will be revealed on the 17th of July)
4. Check your email account for an automated confirmation.
Please note:
– only JPEG/JPG (same file type, different name) files are accepted (other file types will be automatically rejected)
– emails larger than 3MB will be automatically rejected
– use the same email address to send the documents as you have saved in your profile
You will have one month to send the email with the scanned documents:
from 17th of July 2008 until the 17th of August 2008.
This information is not to be publicly regenerated and published outside this forum.
Thank you for your cooperation!
Regards, ”
Cheers
Lynda
I wonder why they don’t want it republished outside the forum? Could it be because it’s a scam?
Comment by Col — 16th July 2008 @ 2:47 pm
Real stupid fools and sour grapes on this blog, unbelievable, Stella should have said that the JPG documents should be in grey scale, else 150 dpi in 24 million colours will get too big, passports are also dangerous, prev she said birth cert or drivers licence are ok, much better! Documents can easily be reduced on Photoshop, but 100 – 200 dpi in grey should be ok. She does not want her lines on this blog because of these nerds that are not members and just look for trouble. Take care!!!!
Comment by Extan — 16th July 2008 @ 8:04 pm
Nice cheerleading, Extan. You’re surely earning your share from this scam…
Did somebody on this blog hit you somewhere it hurts?
Where’s the usual selfappraisal and bragging? Come on, you can do better then that…
Comment by Rokka — 16th July 2008 @ 9:16 pm
Thanks Rokka i always read and send comments and i always try to never hurts any one or personaly atteck i always care for this things again thanks for telling.
Comment by Papper Shredders — 17th July 2008 @ 4:47 am
Extan: So why are you telling us not Stella? But wait, I thought these people were professionals. Wouldn’t professionals know this?
Comment by EagleOne — 17th July 2008 @ 5:36 pm
Everyone,
I have only two statements that I’d like for you to consider…
Do Not Buy any GPP Policies!!!
Do Not give your valuable information to these scammers!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 18th July 2008 @ 1:13 am
Mike, this place is full of GPP haters, so you don’t need to “discourage” people here from GPP as a daily routine (right after the morning pee). 😀
BTW, behind the scenes, did you send back your GPP-documents yet? Hahahahahahaha! 😀
Peace, man! 🙂
Comment by Don — 18th July 2008 @ 7:44 am
I’ve had some fun reading this blog, especially those wonderfully hysterical postings by MikeCheck. Mike, go and get yourself a life!! You are boring us all to death with your daily rantings. You don’t seem to have been very successful in getting the plan shut down as you so boldly boasted to do back in February so can we assume that you are as full of bullshit as GPP are?
Comment by goldcard — 18th July 2008 @ 11:38 am
I seem to remember an earlier notice form Stella stating we needed to send in documents in colour scan so grayscale wouldn’t do! Of ocurse greyscale would be safer as the exact colours would be harder to replicate than in colour- wonder if that’s why Stella wanted colour?
I have some policies under this for myself and kids but I must admit I stopped holding my breath when I took it to a financial adviser from one of the largest finance houses in the world and he said it was absolute rubbish and not possible to do…
Have advised everyone I know who is in to not send in docs until we have full verifiable details of the banking solution that has been promised and the actual pay out date- see what happens then!
Comment by Goosey — 18th July 2008 @ 11:56 am
the email addy is out for the docs to be sent to and it is apparently a globalPP.net address.
Also, they copies don’t have to be in colour.
The developments certainly are inteesting…..
Comment by Jason — 18th July 2008 @ 12:24 pm
Goosey wrote:
“Have advised everyone I know who is in to not send in docs until we have full verifiable details of the banking solution that has been promised and the actual pay out date- see what happens then”.
This is bad advice, if you don’t send your documents in to be verified
in the specified time period, you will not get paid. I imagine the bank solution & the prospective payout date will not be revealed until
after verification has been completed. If I were you I would take a gamble and send the documents in, otherwise you could lose out.
Comment by sapientone — 18th July 2008 @ 1:34 pm
Yeah, I am gonna take a punt on this on.
My bank, generally leaves my details in the street outside their branch, so I have as much change of ID theft there!!
The positives I take from this is:
1. For the first time we have a decent registered email address.
2. Anyone that try’s to steal 100K ID’s/passports will almost guaranteed be found out.
Best case scenario we were wrong about global and they pay out, worst case scenario we have ID theft issues.
Personally I am going to take the chance, so each to their own.
Comment by Jason — 18th July 2008 @ 7:36 pm
Everyone,
I have got to say that these last postings have been more than amusing!
Goldcard,
I’m more than happy to have provided amusement for you! Unfortunately, I do not feel that letting the uninformed get their financial well being pilfered! Oh, did you say that I was boring you? Tell you what just pass my post like you didn’t see them. Oh, you are right, I have not shut this scam down yet… Then again, GPP hasn’t paid a cent yet either huh?
Yes, remember all, make sure you give these clowns as good a copy or scan of your ID as possible! We want to make this easy as possible to steal your ID!
Everyone!!! TAKE NOTE! The domain name GPP.
Goosey and sapientone,
The advice you give in respect to waiting to provide your info till you see something concrete is a very good idea! Shoot, they’ve been having us wait for almost a year!
Everyone, you know, GPP did in fact, finally get it right in respect to the non cheesy free email address. Ok.. They have finally spent a minute to build a real email address. Big deal! How hard was that! Still can’t find anything about the domain!
Tell you what, lets all wait for them to give us an address before we send ANYTHING! I don’t see any reason why they could not do that!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 19th July 2008 @ 2:14 am
After such a long time I was absent still daily mikie soap?
I know people who sent there ID copies and added the note: “just for verification of GPP”
And they got their confirmation also…
relax 😉
Comment by Socke — 19th July 2008 @ 9:19 am
Not everyone has received a confirmation E-mail. This from another forum, and I quote: “If it has been over 24 hours since we e-mailed our docs in and have not received a confirmation e-mail, what to do?”
Comment by EagleOne — 19th July 2008 @ 11:20 pm
Eagle one…
My friends did that too yesterday and they got the confirmation for every one at the same day…
I don´t understand why you can´t…
I think you have to ask that to your promoter=”cheerleader” for some kind of answer…
Comment by salt — 20th July 2008 @ 2:34 am
Yesterday we sent in our docs (jpg) but no id, just drivers licence, all important info is there,guess nobody can really use it in a different country! When I got a ticket 1994 in Beverly Hills (Police State, you cannot park a hired car on the street because you may be a terror), but anyway they sent me a ticket to Boston/Cape/SA because the thought that was Boston in New Enland, very clever. Just ignored it!
GPP will pay??
Comment by Extan — 20th July 2008 @ 9:11 am
ok, drivers licence in 8 bit colour at 200 dpi, showed up as 82dpi on gmail = 75kbyte attach. Take Care
Comment by Extan — 20th July 2008 @ 9:17 am
sent my doc,s in, got confirmation within 2 hours.
Comment by jacko — 20th July 2008 @ 10:38 am
WELL SURPRISE SURPRISE, THE LATEST FROM STELLA “YOU CAN STILL BUY MORE POLICIES” I BET NO-ONE SAW THAT ONE COMING.
Comment by MARCO — 20th July 2008 @ 11:48 am
Of course you will get a confirmation response. It is an E-mail address with an autoresponder. JH sent an E-mail from a defunct account, with bogus attachments, and he got a confirmation response. You really didn’t think that Stella was going to answer every E-mail did you?
Comment by EagleOne — 20th July 2008 @ 10:14 pm
Eagle,
You beat me to the punch on that one! An auto sender/reply. I’m sadened that many are being fooled with this tactic. After all, why is everyone of a sudden, finally getting some kind, any kind of response. Never received to anything that you have e-mailed before.
I am really saddened to say that I know of several people who have sent in their info. I am really sad to say. Funny thing, even though this person mailied this info one thing that was noted to people in her down line, is to pay for a review of credit check. These are $12. I don’t think that she knows that this is $12 a MONTH!
Why expose yourself to this type of risk?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 21st July 2008 @ 2:58 am
Quote by MikeCheck “Oh, you are right, I have not shut this scam down yet… Then again, GPP hasn’t paid a cent yet either huh?”
All the more reason for you to use your undoubted skills to get it closed down then.
Comment by MikeCheck – February 13, 2008 @ 4:26 am “I’ll do further resarch. If I don’t get a phone number, it’s all over with. I’ll let the internet, yes the internet know that this is a scam. I know how to get a word out, I know how to get the word on it”
No, I don’t believe in GPP anymore than anyone else does, I’m just amused by these empty, ridiculous boasts.
Of course the good news is that if MikeCheck is as good as his word then no-one will have lost any money. He will find out who this anonymous trust is (how else can he get it shut down?), then you can all politely ask for your money to be refunded. It’s simple!!
There again, maybe he’s not as good as his word.
Comment by goldcard — 21st July 2008 @ 12:43 pm
Goldcard,
Goodwill this… GPP is a SCAM. There will be no returning of money… GET THAT STRAIGHT!
Boasting to try to prevent others from falling victim to this SCAM is not a boast… I’m trying me best to do it…
How STUPID!! You can politely ask for your money back! What a joke. You know anyone who has gotten a cent back? Thought not!
Get your facts straight before you step up.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 21st July 2008 @ 3:12 pm
My Friends,
For those considering more policies, demand that this question be answered:
WHEN WILL THE NEW POLICIES PAY OUT?
Simple question with great implication…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 21st July 2008 @ 3:59 pm
MC: The answer is the same for the initial policies and the new policies: NEVER!
Comment by EagleOne — 23rd July 2008 @ 8:31 am
Ha, Eagle,
I knew that! I just wanted one of these pumper clowns to address that!
I SEE THAT NO ONE HAS SAID A WORD ABOUT THAT YET!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd July 2008 @ 2:37 pm
My friends,
I posted this to a question asked to me in another post. Although you all probably now know all of this, it may be beneficial for those who are considering joining…
I was a person in a downline. Sounded too good to be true, my wife did it just to see what would happen……………………………..
I came to my senses and decided to take a look about what this was all about…
The only thing that I saw was people getting upset about the small amount of communication, these “blackouts”, later I saw this “EXTREEMLY” bogus children’s fund set up by good ole’ Stella. Seems funny that no one has heard ANYTHING about that scam anymore!!!! NOTHING!!!! Now who would take money/food out of a childs mouth. Now that is low. Again, this was gone just as soon as people busted them out on that sorry segment of the GPP scam.
I then took note of the banks that they were using… Actually I investigated this earlier. Not to my surprise, Barely anyone had heard of this scam about 2 or 3 years prior to the beginning of this scam! Pretty interesting… All of these scams seem to use this bank.
Oh, if you’ll notice, you can only send money in, and not get out ANYTHING (this for the new people’s information, entering the thread).
Oh, and did I mention the 1 out of 10 rating for this scam bank? Actually these scam banks! Both of the banks GPP used are questionable. I wonder if I could open a checking account there. Answer NO, NO, NO!!! You think a scam would go through the hassle of actually doing work (even printing a check)? Ha, even if, I say if they did, I’ll bet that it would be an emailed check that you’d use!!! HA!
Oh, and did I mention that not only GPP, but the bak that they use have no physical address mentioned? Who’s the POC at the bank? Where is the phone number!?!?!? This spells SCAM to me!!
Oh, here is a good one… At one point, GPP, or one of those banks actually had an address listed. I took a look at where this was located and it turned out to be a duplex. Yes a house in he country that they listed! I;d say that they got BUSTED! If you’ll also note, that address has been REMOVED! SCAMMERS! They are terrible!
Stealing dreams. That is all they are doing (stealing along with your money of course)…
Again, what’s the deal with all of this hiding? That is simply a stupid answer! If a company has to hide like that it should tell EVERYONE, that something shady is going on! Better yet, something illegal is going on.
Yea, keep this to yourself, although we want 100,000 people and now willing to accept another 250K people into this scam!!! Yea, undercover…. SCAM, SCAM, SCAM!!!
Now you tell me that I should send my valuable information to a company as shady as that!!! I SURELY DO NOT THINK SO!
As for those who have sent info, and most importantly your passport (goodness, I hope that no one did that), you will have to immediately go to your credit agencies and have them contact you if a credit card is trying to get issued under your name. A sad but necessary precaution that you’ll have to make at $12 per month FOREVER!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 23rd July 2008 @ 4:31 pm
Mike, are you ok, have a good GPP day!!!!!!
Comment by EXTAN — 24th July 2008 @ 10:57 am
Mike Check says “How STUPID!! You can politely ask for your money back! What a joke. You know anyone who has gotten a cent back? Thought not!”
Yet another Yank with no sense of the British sense of irony! That WAS a joke you moron.
Comment by goldcard — 24th July 2008 @ 3:05 pm
goldcard,
It is not a joke that no one has or ever will get any money back. I do not think that stealing is a joke.
On the note of that statement stating the irony of this scam… perhaps I did not understand what you were saying… I’m saddened that you think that I’m being moronic while trying to help others to at least take pause before sending in money or IDs.
Nonetheless, that being the case, then I see that we both agree that these claims of large monies are false.
To everyone,
I’m not here to fight… I only want to prevent these scammers from stealing an ever increasing amount of money from us good citizens. As I’ve said before, this program is nothing more than a Dream stealing scam!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th July 2008 @ 2:01 am
[THIS WAS FORWARDED TO MYSELF FROM A FRIEND IN THE USA]
I posed the question to Wally about sending ID etc and they have an email composed for their group which he has copied to me. Hope it helps! Sue
Reassurance for the nervous or anally retentive!
Many have aired your concerns, so let us have a look at these and assess what can be done to make us feel more comfortable, so that we can successfully negotiate this final stage.
Areas of disappointment and concern:
a) Insurance Company
We do not know the name of the Insurance Company and therefore have not been able to appraise their capability, or the credibility that they could bring to the transaction.
Ok! it would have been nice to have the reassurance of this knowledge, but at the end of the day, all we really need to know is that the transaction mechanism performs, exactly as specified in the GPP website.
Therefore it really does not matter who the insurance company is, so long as they are able to fulfill their role and whether they can or cannot, we are presumably going to learn fairly shortly.
So there is no point in complaining, the name of the insurance company is now irrelevant, put it to one side and move on.
b) Identity theft.
Rightly so, most of us have had this concern throughout our involvement with GPP, but to some of us, it is the all consuming concern, the one thing which could separate us from the ‘compensation’ and ‘Loyalty Rewards’ due to us. Consequently we must address this concern logically.
i) Compare the data that you will provide on the GPP Agreement Form with the data that you have already supplied on the ‘profile’ page – they are identical – apart from you providing your signature. We imagine that the first thing that the perpetrators of identity theft do, is to create a new signature since this would be easier than trying to forge our signatures. So providing our signatures is not that important.
ii) Now let us look at the main three forms of proof of ID:
The passport provides the additional information of our picture, our unique passport number, country of issue, place of birth, and the signature again. Using the data from the ‘profile’ page, certainly a copy of our birth certificate could be obtained and this would have given GPP, the place of birth, so assuming the worst that this is the aim of GPP, they could already have this information. This leaves the unique passport number as the prime piece of additional information concerning out identity to be derived from submitting a copy of our passport, since like the signature it is not unreasonable to assume that our picture would be substituted for their own picture, for obvious reasons when having to present it for inspection.
Similarly the Driving Licence has nothing much new to disclose other than one or two unique driving licence numbers with all other considerations as per the passport.
So far as the Birth Certificate is concerned we have already covered the fact that a copy of this document could be obtained by submitting the information held on the ‘profile page.
We have been members of GPP since February 2006 and during that time, producing two blogs with a combined readership of 5,000 odd members, we have not learned of any members suffering from identity theft caused by the information provided on the profile page.
It could be argued that the unique numbers are all that GPP are waiting to get their hands on to execute their dastardly plans.
Our belief is that all the proof of ID is required for is, to support the data we have provided on the ‘profile’ page and provide a signature on a government issued document to match the signature on the bottom of the GPP Agreement Form.
Our view is, that our unique numbers, so very important to us, since they define us, are of insignificant value to GPP in their quest to implement the transaction.
If you have been able to follow the threads of our argument above, then you will draw the conclusion that the most important piece of our identity, the unique number are of little interest to GPP.
The solution as we see it, is to sanitise (remove the numbers) the Passport or Driving Licence of the unique numbers or at the very least remove some of the numerals with a black felt tipped pen or a correcting fluid like Snopake, Tipp-Ex etc. We understand that the computer technos may have a way of changing things on screen and even adding the word ‘Specimen’, but we are part of the felt tip brigade.
On this basis, GPP would get their confirmatory data particularly our date of birth and we would have the comfort of not having disclosed our unique numbers.
Feel free to copy this for members of your team who are experiencing difficulties with this aspect of the final submission.
c) GPP Banking Solution
We feel that the members have been very badly treated in not being given any further information on the banking solution. Unless we have missed something, we have heard nothing from Stella concerning the banking solution, since the Admin, News and Announcement post of 2nd May, when she stated that they were at the final stage.
One presumes that since Stella is advancing the completion stage now, that the question of the Banking Solution has been resolved, however it would be nice to know and learn more about the solution, how it will work and how we can work with it.
We have voiced our concerns that the GPP bank is unlikely to have a clearing bank status and hence need the co-operation of a correspondent bank for international transfers. Perhaps we will be told more during the period of document submission, let us hope so.
d) Outstanding matters
We are perplexed that Stella has not followed up her statement, that she has cleared all the pre December problems and issues, by calling for the Jan- July 2008 problems and issues.
We, and many we have spoken to, are similarly disadvantaged, so once again it is down to lobbying Stella and ‘neverlands’ to encourage a response.
At the same time if you feel that you wish to have any matter clarified, i.e. agreement to us sanitizing the unique numbers etc., etc., rather than just submitting them sanitized, then get lobbying:
[Edit by Ben: I have edited the addresses below so they are not directly clickable]
Stella/GPP support at : global.member.support [at] googlemail.com and
‘neverlands’ the GPP Forum Moderator at : gpp.forum [at] googlemail.com and
Asia Moore, our sponsor, so you are in her downline. Asia has a direct e-mail contact with Stella : asia [at] shaw.ca
Lobbying the last two , ‘neverlands’ and Asia Moore, will ensure that they bring your concerns to the attention of Stella.
Comment by marco — 25th July 2008 @ 12:20 pm
Marco,
I appreciate you posting this, from your friend Sue.
Indeed this is one of the most well written statements supporting GPP. I unfortunately do not agree with most that she has said!
From the very beginning she starts with nonsense. In her first statement she states that she does not know who the insurance company is. OK, none of us know that.
Now in the very next sentence she states that it doesn’t matter who it is. Would anyone really agree with that? This is even worse than saying that the insurance company is one of these scam insurance company as the c-gold bank.
b) ID THEFT – Who cares about a signature? It is the information that is needed to initiate ID theft! Come on now, we all know that a credit card can be opened even online! me a
break!
Passport and Birth certificate!! Are you kidding! This anyones most valuable information! Why do you think people often lock their passports in a safe? All of these important numbers! Really, do you trust someone who you don’t know, and will not know to have this information? Would you all fax me this information?
If this birth certificate information is so easy to verify, why do you need it now? Hmmm….
Yep members there at GPP since 2006. Notice, they have still not been paid (nor has anyone for that mater – except the scammers)!
Oh My Goodness, did you hear this statement about your numbers!?!? This has just proved what I just said… Your unique numbers are so very valuable since they define GPP!! Then this contradicting statement in the same paragraph, the info is on insignificant value! WHAT? The only thing that I can see being “defined” is that GPP is a scam that will now squeeze out the last bit of info to make money off of. This being your ID!
She states that it could be argues that GPP would execute some dastardly plan to do something with your info… Like Duh… Well that is something I agree with.
What the H@ll do they need to match your signature with! Wo are they going through to match it?
What is the purpose to sanitize you information? This is CRAP! We saw how long it took for Stella to accomplish one simple task! Does anyone really believe that these clowns will take time to verify everyones signature?? Do not think that this will happen…. Know that this will not happen!!!
Conformation on your date of birth…. Ha! read the above paragraph. The same applies!
Banking solution? You might as well suggest one to them because this is non existent
d) Lets face it. Stella has done nothing, and we cannot question her about anything unless it is in a post like this. That is crazy… Absolutely no way to conduct ANY type of business!!!
Let your friend know that I’m not making light of her possible situation… If she in it,
but I’m afraid that she’ll be sadly disappointed if she thinks that this is real. There is NO proof. Having to rely on second hand information is a crock! With this much money involved, shouldn’t someone be able to tell us of some particulars with what is happening. Goodness, we dont know WHERE the money is, nor do we even have a name for even possible methods, or actions taken to establish this solution.
In effect, GPP IS A SCAM!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th July 2008 @ 5:51 pm
The quote from ‘Sue’ was actually posted by TeamThemco who, as major promoters of this scam, have a vested interest in rallying the troops.
Owen.
Comment by Owen Platt — 25th July 2008 @ 6:51 pm
Everyone,
On another board, someone gave explanation on how to submit your information and send to GPP!!! I will not post their statement as this snipet of theirs is too long, but review this response. I’ll give a quick idea of what they said though:
1) Said something about us sending them a word document with the info they provided. A WORD DOCUMENT! CHEESY
2) Want to know the leagal gardian of the child (along w/ Birth certificate” of course.
3) They then mentioned something else about how to send passport photos. Of course, we must do all that we can in order to make the files small enough(using greyscale, as opposed to color).
MY GOODNESS, I forgot to add this to that previous post!! They said that this was an easy process, and OF COURSE, the processing could take more time!!
I say, 8 months from January and counting (for the beginning of processing these policies).
SCAM!
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The following was my response:
Completion of GPP documentation: This is outrageous!
(1) Let me ask everyone this… On ANY vadid company, when was the last time that you downloaded a (1) A word documnet. Even more outrageous, Where have you EVER seen so much work that you had to do in order to fill out a form! There are two BASIC things that are wrong with this scenario. First, sending this information should be over a secure page whic is ON THE WEBSITE!!!!!!!!. Second, WHAT is the deal with having to alter the word document!?! That is so cheesy that I am just amazed that someone would not think that something is suspect!~
(2) This segment is just filler until they are asking for the legal docuementation for the birth certificate. My goodness, WHY DO THEY NEED TO KNOW WHO THE LEAGAL GARDIAN? Yea, yea, so that the money can be sent. REALLY suspect! Sounds to me like they are about to ruin a childs credit before they even have a credit score!
(3) Hmm I wonder why thse copy shops won’t scam your document in color? I’d say one or two things about this… Either the information is too important, trying to look out for you, or something to that efect, or, even more likely to make the file small enough to send to their server! We all remember the problem with that now don’t we?
How cheezy that we have to go through naming a file! Yea, it makes no sense to have to do this! This info should be (once again) on a secure server, on the website. This need to name a file and send over an unsecured mail, is CRAZY!
Oh did you mention that we have ti wait ince again ( for how long, I don’t know)! Just like the first time that Stella had to process these refunds (that is the biggest pile) it will take even longer to do this! Great buyer of time!
PLEASE COMPARE these practices from any others that you have seen on other sites! This request to do all of this is unacceptable!
Everyone, If youl note, WAIT, WAIT, WAIT!!! Didn’t GPP say that the fund were going o be provided 8 Months ago? Think about that!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 27th July 2008 @ 3:43 pm
SCAM,SCAM, SCAM!!!!
Please once again review the websites. They are not professional enough for o company of such stature!
Please do not fall victim to this second part of this scam!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 27th July 2008 @ 3:45 pm
Wow , 8 posts on 1 page from Mike.
Mike, I am going to go out on a limb here and say you think GPP is a scam?
🙂
PS: When the GPP saga finally unfolds what on earth are you going to do with all your spare time? Maybe wear your underwear on the outside and don a red cape? Super Mike to the rescue 😛
Comment by Jason — 27th July 2008 @ 8:47 pm
Maybe.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 27th July 2008 @ 10:28 pm
Jayson,
Wouldn’t you agree that ID theft is a very possible consequence of passing important documentation around, especially when sent through unsecured means?
Do you agree that it would be better for GPP to offer a secure site to pass this information through, as to keep some malfactor from stealing this info (as if GPP isn’t doing this anyway).
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 27th July 2008 @ 11:03 pm
My friends,
Speaking if ID theft, I think that this would be worth a quick read. Please examine the similarities with this article segment:
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Identity Theft
Identity theft involves the theft or unauthorized use of another person’s personal identifying informationâ€â€such as one’s name, automated teller machine card, driver’s license number, social security number, and date of birthâ€â€in order to establish or take over existing credit card, bank, or telephone accounts. The growth of the Internet and other information technologies, and the increased accessibility of personal account and other information, have heightened identity fraud risk. The Better Business Bureau estimates that the total one-year cost of identity fraud in the United States is $56.6 billion.1
Identity thieves can get your personal information from a variety of sources. If you have sent credit card or other personal information over an unsecured Internet connection, it can easily be stolen. Thieves can also derive information from discarded credit card receipts or bank records. Sometimes, employees of companies will sell customers’ personal information to crooks. However they obtain it, criminals with your account number or social security number can impersonate you to obtain credit, get control of your personal accounts, or open new accounts. Once your identity has been stolen, criminals can withdraw money from your bank accounts, incur large credit card debts, or obtain loans or welfare benefits.
Identity scams can go on for years without your knowledge, leaving you with a damaged reputation and ruined credit. And it can get even worse: Some innocent people may lose jobs or promotions, or even end up with criminal records.
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Interesting! GPP is sounding more and more suspect by the minute!
Oh yea, Jason, that one was just for you… I believe that this is 10 IAW your count…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 27th July 2008 @ 11:07 pm
My friends.
This is also a response to a question that i as asked.
Though this is a response, you all will see good questions to ask GPP…
Oh, so we are not to know about any of GPP’s operations? How then do we don’t know anything about what is going on with his operation?
Oh yea, so, if we decide that I want my money back I could have asked good ole’ Stella to refund my money! HA!!!! That refund was just a taker of time. This sorry operation could not do this at the same time? That’s a d’d sorry excuse!
Ok… So, you’d have us sed information on an unsecured email? Let me ask, what exactly do you think that a secure server is used for? Important information perhaps? Is this important information?
You posted your concerns huh? I’ll bet that you turned in these doc’s despite your concerns huh?
Lastly try no TO BE STUPID! Today, you inly need a SSN to steal an ID! What you GPP is getting, is everything!
This is a scam. There will be no payout, and each individual who passes this most important info along is a potential victim of ID theft!
In the last Year… When you think about it, has there EVER been any individual communication with you by pho… no, by email? I’m not tlking about this auto responder info either? I dare say not!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 28th July 2008 @ 7:04 pm
Just want to say a quick word after reading all of these comments. Yes GPP may be a scam but I did say that a while ago when i posted and good luck to those who are in it.
ID theft – well having thought about this dont you think it is ridiculous that we are even worrying about this as our government tends to lose our personal imformation oh and lets us all know months after this has happened. The banks leave our banking imformation in black bags out in the street. Hey if people want to give it away let them.
Tell us something we dont know. As with the powers that be losing our personal info we are all probably suffering from ID theft and we dont know it yet.
Comment by Who Cares — 28th July 2008 @ 8:43 pm
I agree with you Who Cares.
Virtually every day in the UK we hear about various Banks /goverment organisations losing our personal info by the truckload.
They have even found passport copies and credit cards unshreaded in the trash bags behind loads of banks. There is a much bigger chance of someone getting hold of that, than intercepting some email.
Also in terms of ID theft, I think if someone were to start trading or selling 100 000 stolen ID’s they would get found out pretty soon by the police.
With respect to you Mike, you have made your feelings abundantely clear in the last 2 pages of the thread. Everyone involved are big girls and boys, and we can make our own decisions, with all the information you have spent hours researching and typing up.
In my opinion, this is worth a punt. SO I am going to take a chance. I believe the possible upside far outweighs the possible downside.
Fingers crossed.
Comment by Jason — 29th July 2008 @ 8:50 am
Jason You are so right. We are all big boys and girls and know what we are getting in to. I like you are going to take the chance. It is my choice after all.
If it does come off great if it does not hey what have i lost 30 quid.
Oh and Mike if you say my personal info I am sorry to tell you but my government lost that ages ago twice over.
So along with Who Cares and Jason my fingers are crossed.
Good Luck To Us All
Comment by Viv — 29th July 2008 @ 11:03 am
“If it does come off great if it does not hey what have i lost 30 quid”
You’ve lost 30 quid but some scumbag criminal has gained 30 quid – times that by 100,000+ members and you’ve just given him/her a £3,000,000+ payday.
God knows what that money will be used for, it could be anything including financing other more sinister activities.
Comment by Ben — 29th July 2008 @ 11:31 am
To Viv and co,
So, because you might have been exposed to the possibility of an identity theft before, means you should take the risk now?
Kind of hard to see the logic in there.
Well, good luck…
Comment by Rokka — 29th July 2008 @ 2:30 pm
We all take the chance of ID theft every day. Paying for things by card, Buying things over the internet. filling in forms. If these people are hell bent on taking someones ID they will do it no matter what. So every day, like it or not you take the risk.
Ben i understand the concerns you have 30quid from 100,000+ people. Yes a lot of money. We all know the down side to this but surely we are all capable people of making up our own minds.
Yes there are a lot of negative people out there but there are also a lot of positive thinking people who dont mind taking a chance.
I for one would rather look on the positive side of things than the negative as i am sure if i was a negative person i would not be where i am today and i would be the most depressing person on the planet.
So please let these people make their own minds up. They know the score after all.
Comment by Viv — 29th July 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Seems like some people here would like to keep all the negative comments to minimum. My opionion is that GPP is a scam, no doubt about it. All the signs are there, if you just want to see them.
If you read between the lines, these promoters are just trying to say that nobody should say anything negative about GPP, and let people make up their minds about GPP on their own.
Whole GPP thing is not about being positive or negative.
It’s about being realistic.
I think it would be GPPs job to erase suspicions about their activities, and be transparent. Now we have some cheerleaders doing the bidding(and not very well IMO). I think this says it all about true nature of GPP.
Since I haven’t been scammed by GPP, you all cheerleaders can question my motives for calling GPP a scam.
It’s plain and simple, I don’t like criminals and don’t want to see them get away with money they didn’t deserve.
Comment by Rokka — 29th July 2008 @ 7:31 pm
“I for one would rather look on the positive side of things than the negative as i am sure if i was a negative person i would not be where i am today and i would be the most depressing person on the planet.”
Lots of situations where being a positive person is an excellent quality. When dealing with sketchy anonymous Internet investment opportunities promising unrealistic returns if you send them money isn’t one of them. You’ll find plenty of victims of scams who relied on “being positive” and, in fact, the operators encourage and leverage that to their advantage. Being positive doesn’t mean being blind to reality and objective information or not being wary when you’re in a situation where you should be.
Comment by JH — 29th July 2008 @ 10:27 pm
Well said JH.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 30th July 2008 @ 6:52 am
gone very quiet on this blog!
Comment by jacko — 31st July 2008 @ 6:20 pm
everybody is off scaning their documents and sending off to gpp !!
Comment by marco — 31st July 2008 @ 7:53 pm
That’s right Marco. Only Mike – who must drink a liter of vinegar for breakfast – is his sour self. Rest must be off scanning & sending, or just tired of the endless rants.
It’s been said before: good luck to us all.
Juan
Comment by Juan de la Cumbre — 31st July 2008 @ 10:07 pm
Yes, unfortunately, there are many who are sending these docs. Let me just reiterate, you will never know who is behind this scam! You have no idea of where these people are, or even where in the country this sham is located.
I’d suggest that as for those who have provided this info, that you begin to review your credit reports…
Has anyone heard anything from them yet?
MikeCheck
[Addition by Ben: MikeCheck said “I’d suggest that as for those who have provided this info, that you begin to review your credit reports” – I fully agree. Sending away personal information like that may invalidate your claim if your details are used fraudulently. I think it is financial suicide to send documents via email when you don’t actually know who you are sending them to!]
Comment by MikeCheck — 31st July 2008 @ 11:59 pm
Before any other docs are sent… Ask, which other RPP has ever paid ONE CENT!!! I have looked. There is not one! Ask one of the pumpers to name a plan that has paid!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 1st August 2008 @ 3:45 am
There are several RPP plans active and not collecting payments now as we await payout….How come they haven’t disappeared already…..Blogs are an amazing marketing tool leading to potential customers….What are you pushing ?
Comment by salford — 1st August 2008 @ 12:50 pm
Man, give me a serious break! Listen to what you just said… NONE HAVE PAID OUT!! Old ones new ones…NOTHING!!!
You want to know why you haven’t heard of the couple of scams that are still around? Because they are still scamming people. Why stop a good thing huh?
You want to know what I’m pushing… It’s called “FACT”! Continual pushing back of payments, seeing this elusive Stella (with no last name) run around doing several bogus things. Things like, establish some scammy charity, and this “refund” that bought a good couple of months.
My friends,
This is only a small segment of questionable activities going on. Surely you wouldn’t pass your most important documents to a company that does not want you to know anything, anyone, pr anywhere they are located!
Think of this… If GPP all of a suddened decided to disappear… What would you have. No one knows anything about where to look! Think about it… Does anyone really know where they are? You want to send a document to this SHAM?
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 2nd August 2008 @ 3:28 am
Fortunately, I was able to go back and put all “1”s in my GPP account where I have originally put my SSN#. If you are a GPP member, it wouldn’t be a bad idea to do this, just in case. All of you are right, of course, and the possibilities are staggering with ID theft, a huge problem in Africa. It wouldn’t supprise me if Stella, whoever the fuck this person really is, brings more bullshit to the table or delivers us poor poor from the poor house. I wouldn’t put it past me- and I’m a really positive person too 😀 If this thing really does pay out, which I doubt, I would like to invest with [URL removed], at least they have contact info and real people you can speak with. 😀
Comment by David — 3rd August 2008 @ 9:42 am
David,
I’m happy to hear that you were able to do so. You are also right, Stella will come to the table with more crap! Has been doing this on a monthly basis for some time now! First the bogus payoff dates, hackers,refunds, let’s not forget the Stella Children’s Fund!
This is just too much to believe! I’ll tell you one thing though. That children’s charity scam was just TOO LOW! Can you believe that someone would stoop so low as to ask for money that could actually be had by a child in actual need? I’d love to have a pumper address that!
As a matter of fact, I’ll address this everywhere again! Let’s just see if any of them will come out their mouth about this!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd August 2008 @ 5:33 pm
OMG…
My friends,
this has got to be some of the most telling info on proving that this is a scam this far! We remember when good ole’ Stella began doing a good deed by promoting a charity for children… Credit must be given to Zurf… See bottom of page.
Well, this is what came out of that… Now mind you, if you didn’t know whether or not GPP was a scam, then look at this…
UNBELIVEABLE!!!
http://breadforkids.org/notice.htm
CEF Seal program has been abused by unauthorized persons and online businesses.
2) Children of Ecuador Foundation has nothing to do with any of those websites online claiming to give prizes, money, investment funds, rewards, etc We will never back such programs. Sadly some unscrupulous people have misused our Seal and our organization name abusing of our seal (images) claiming that they are our partners. This is not true.
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Zurferanders
Comment by MikeCheck — 5th August 2008 @ 12:29 am
I stamped my IDS with ” SPECIMEN ONLY” I suggest you do the same.
Comment by who cares — 5th August 2008 @ 10:50 am
By the way who is this new “Who Cares” on here cause its not me from way back. Think of your own name thanks!!!!!!
Comment by who cares — 5th August 2008 @ 10:53 am
As a matter of interest, where does Stella mention she is donating to Children of Ecuador Foundation?
Just curious to read the info for myself 🙂
Comment by Jason — 5th August 2008 @ 9:13 pm
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yes I saw it in the forums under charity.
Good Find Mike/Zurf.
Very dubious indeed
Comment by Jason — 5th August 2008 @ 9:19 pm
Yes, what a shame… Haven’t seen anything on this post so far from the pumpers since they last got busted! I must say, that was a good one. Let’s give them time to regroup!
Ha, a SCAM is a SCAM, and GPP is a SCAM!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 6th August 2008 @ 3:37 am
Some news in finnish newpaper Turun sanomat yesterday:
“Criminal investigation of GLobal pension plan-pyramid scheme has revealed new scam plans. National bureau of investigations Turku unit has found indications, that there’s already new, similar schemes to collect money from the gullible, tells Turun Sanomat.
Plans for new scams have been revealed in house searches, that police have conducted while investigating GPP in Helsinki, Forssa, Turku, Oulu and Tampere.
People should think where they put their money, can a few tens of euros investment bring you loads of money in a moment, says senior constable Esko Vesanen from NBI of Turku.
GPP network, which was marketing pension insurances, managed to collect from investors at least a pot of hundreds of thousands of euros. Exact figure is not yet discovered. Money went to foreign accounts, and tracing it has been a difficult work. Police haven’t been able yet to discover who was/were running GPP-pyramid scheme. Finnish NBI has been investigating GPP since spring.”
Here’s the link to the original news story, but it’s only in finnish:
http://www.uusisuomi.fi/kotimaa/31333-uusia-pyramidihuijauksia-suunnitteilla
I guess all those police officers from NBI investigating GPP, are just envious, negative people then.
The fact that police can’t find out who are behind GPP, and they’re not willing to tell, speaks in volumes. One doesn’t have to be the sharpest knife in the drawer to see that GPP is a scam and it would naive to think that people who are still promoting it wouldn’t know that. ¨
Comment by Rokka — 6th August 2008 @ 6:45 am
Hello, I am from Brazil, I am out of everything that happens in PGE, what they follow a procedure very mysterious … what does believe that they are talking seriously …
There is no alternative unless fraud …
They are gathering the documentation of all members.
Very sad to know that the international police did not handle that kind of person.
I know, you received an email saying that it’s TEXACO / CHEVRON.
Do not pay what is also fraud ..
Until more friends!
Comment by Pedro Junio — 6th August 2008 @ 10:18 pm
Good find Rokka!
Gads (ha, like that word)… This is so very telling! This shows so well that this is a scam! I cannot believe that anyone (at least anyone reading these forums) would even consider dropping a dime into this scam!
I’d love to hear from anyone who would!
I’s still trying to get the word out to shut down this scam! I’ll tell you what though, I think that with all of these funny goings on like the new “bank that we can send money to etc.. people will begin to see much more easily that this has been a MAJOR FRAUD!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 7th August 2008 @ 3:16 am
Ok, if you click on the supposed fake CEF seal on the GPP web site, it does bring you to the authentic CEF web site- but I do get the point about this unscrupulous exploitation; it is very distasteful.
Comment by David — 7th August 2008 @ 7:44 am
Rokka: Thanks for that update. Interesting news,and I hope they can trace the money and find the players behind GPP. They might want to look into some of the major scammers from Denmark, especially Mr. Roor, aka Pedro. Might pay off for them if they did, then it might not. Think it would be worth a try.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th August 2008 @ 2:24 am
David,
If you click on this : http://www.childrenofecuador.ca you’ll be taken to the REAL Children of Ecuador site, not the “Bread for Kids” site which is run by David Villacreses (and whom, if I remember correctly was a member of GPP and an active member on the GPP forum).
I’ll scan back and see if I can remember his forum name,.
He may be trying to distance himself from GPP now, by posting the “non-association”.
Run a whois on both of them and you’ll catch the discrepancies.
Comment by zippy — 8th August 2008 @ 8:24 pm
And if you still don’t see the discrepancies,..check this post:
Dates back to Nov. 2006 in it’s info:
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Global-Pension-Plan-t198799.html&st=5265
Now, does any of that make sense if David Villacreses had no knowledge of GPP?
Comment by zippy — 8th August 2008 @ 8:36 pm
Also Turun sanomat told in their story, that one gentleman from Helsinki gave his account to some other person to use. This account was used for gathering member fees for GPP. The amount of money moved through the account was 269000€. This information came from the police.
Link to the story:
http://www.turunsanomat.fi/kotimaa/?ts=1,3:1002:0:0,4:2:0:1:2008-08-05,104:2:556749,1:0:0:0:0:0:
It’s interesting to see, that police has actually managed to gather information about the money traffic. Sum mentioned in the article would be that of roughly 8-9k member fees, if I’m not mistaken.
I’m guessing that some big sponsor is feeling the heat right about now…
Comment by Rokka — 10th August 2008 @ 10:13 pm
Well, you can kiss the August 18th day goodbye for closure of documents. According to Stella, as of August 10th they have only received documents from 30,500 members, which is still good but as nearly 200,000 joined then there are many who have got lost along the way as it has been 3 years since GPP started.
So, they had nearly 200,000 join, take that times the registration fee, and now you know how much they have to retire on. You really didn’t believe this was going to pay out did you? I predicted long ago their excuse for not paying would be they didn’t get 100,000 ‘qualified’ people to do the deal. Of course you only have Stella’s word that only 30,500 members documents have been received. She can say it is any number she wants. How is anyone going to know any different? You don’t. All smoke and mirrors.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th August 2008 @ 3:34 am
One more thing: It is all the members fault for GPP not paying.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th August 2008 @ 3:35 am
My Friends,
I suggested that we not hold our breath on this one! Of course it is our fault that this no begin paying? Hey, here is an idea… Pay out the 30K people who have already provided their info!!!!!!!!!!
I’d add, if not one more person sent in one doc, what would happen to the 30K people who sent their info?
This GPP was a SCAM from inception. Again we look. Pay off dates have be constantly pushed back for such a long time now…
I’d think that it would be unfair to have others wait until others sent in info. Goodness sake, we saw how long it took these clowns to process a (supposed)refund. Now they are going to process the ENTIRE group of policy holders in a couple of weeks!!! HA! These scammers sicken me!
Good people sending in their money for a promise of more money for real needs. Guess it’s easy to prey off of others who are in real need.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 11th August 2008 @ 3:01 pm
Shame that you lot don’t have a job to go to!!!! It looks as if GPP stands as good as or a better chance than the national lottery, which cons millions of people every week.
Comment by kathkilbey — 11th August 2008 @ 3:59 pm
In regard to your statement kathkilbey, and I quote:
“Shame that you lot don’t have a job to go to!!!! It looks as if GPP stands as good as or a better chance than the national lottery, which cons millions of people every week.”
I offer this observation. The national lottery is legal. If they draw your numbers you get paid. You know the odds of winning before you buy the ticket. You do not have to send your personal information to them in order to claim your winnings. They have a real address, real phone number, real fax number, you know the names of the people running it, and they don’t use a free E-mail addy, nor website hiding their identities. So my question is who is conning who?
Comment by EagleOne — 11th August 2008 @ 5:48 pm
Kathkilbey,
So, when you’re chosen as a GPP cheerleader, do you need to buy your own pom-pons, or does “stella” provide you with some?
I’m guessing that you’ll pay for them yourself, but once GPP pays out you’ll get paid back 🙂
Just to let you know, “lottery is a scam”-defence for GPP is getting old, why don’t come up with something more original for your cheerleading routine…
Comment by Rokka — 11th August 2008 @ 9:53 pm
kathkilbey,
Don’t worry about my job. Be my guest and hold your breath on the next payout date. Lets see how much longer “Stella” tells you of another delay! Maybe Stella will climb a mountain as that other clown, fall down and get covered in boo boos. Of course this will crash GPP, but then that’s nothing that we all don’t know…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 11th August 2008 @ 11:49 pm
Hi all
Just spent an hour reading comments.
I am in the GPP and am 99% sure this is not going to pay out, but theres a 1% chance that it will, and we would kick ourselves if it did and we hadnt followed it through.
I certainly believe that GPP is going to work and that they are not after identity fraud, but I believe that when the insurance company pay out…it will pay the people running GPP! Stella and the rest of GPP will be very rich indeed!
Comment by UKwoman — 12th August 2008 @ 11:09 am
“I am in the GPP and am 99% sure this is not going to pay out…”
“I certainly believe that GPP is going to work…”
Huh??? lol
Stella and the rest of GPP already have been made rich.
Comment by JH — 12th August 2008 @ 10:57 pm
talking of stella & co where are they?? anybody else having trouble getting on to their web page !??
Comment by marco — 13th August 2008 @ 7:59 pm
I’ve browsed around in some forums and blog where GPP was the topic, and I must say I find these true believers quite interesting bunch of people.
Am I the only one who thinks that GPP and its promoters have some similarities with jehovas witnesses? I mean, jehovas witnesses have been waiting for the end of the world since who knows when. Just like some GPP members are waiting for the big payout. End of the world was suppose to happen many times already, just like GPP paying out was suppose to happen.
See this site, and see for yourselves does it apply to some true believers of GPP:http://www.freeminds.org/psych/propfail.htm
This part of the article in the site is my favourite:
“A man with a conviction is a hard man to change. Tell him you disagree and he turns away. Show him facts or figures and he questions your sources. Appeal to logic and he fails to see your point.
“We have all experienced the futility of trying to change a strong conviction, especially if the convinced person has some investment in his belief. We are familiar with the variety of ingenious defenses with which people protect their convictions, managing to keep them unscathed through the most devastating attacks.
“But man’s resourcefulness goes beyond simply protecting a belief. Suppose an individual believes something with his whole heart; suppose further that he has a commitment to this belief, that he has taken irrevocable actions because of it; finally, suppose that he is presented with evidence, unequivocal and undeniable evidence, that his belief is wrong: what will happen? The individual will frequently emerge, not only unshaken, but even more convinced of the truth of his beliefs than ever before. Indeed, he may even show a new fervor about convincing and converting other people to his view.”
Just something to think about…
Comment by Rokka — 15th August 2008 @ 3:05 am
Rokka
there is a difference between gpp and the jobo’s and that is that the jobo’s come knocking at your door unlike ……….
Comment by marco — 15th August 2008 @ 10:38 am
Marco,
Jobos preach from door to door, GPP believers send email, but their referral codes on every sites, and spread their message on various forums. So, difference is only in the methods they use.
Wasn’t yesterday some sort of a deadline for GPP(one of many deadlines)? What’s peoples take on that one, any guesses what are the next excuses for delays? And I guess one can still buy more policies, huh?
Comment by Rokka — 18th August 2008 @ 2:32 pm
You allright Rokka!what they tell us next?
it´s interest that when they tell to every,the up-date for send the papers,most of us get nervous and most forgot what they make us belive all the time,wake-up!,whay now just like that things are diferent?,because you here the word,magic word of money?..you belive that now they pay us because whe are patience and stupid!
I don´t think so!
Now seems like any body here tell that your stupit,because you don´t take a chance,negative,etc…PLEASE!!!
All i think is that you never will send your kids ID:s if you want the very best for them in case they are bat people,you make sure that they future is not in they hands,you the rest,do what you please,but your kids don´t have to be involve in your business with a big risk!!
It´s sad that people without respect speaks to another like shit here,and worst is whay it is like that,MONEY.
For every cheerleader here!
Are you interest to a job in sports?,they don´t pay well but you don´t scam to any one.
Comment by salt — 18th August 2008 @ 9:17 pm
Since Stella can’t seem to find time to provide an update for the members, and seems to be having problems finding a banking solution, I thought I would come to the rescue for her. Why not use this bank for their banking solution: http://www.globalinvestbank.com/?
Already has the name built-in. Now what would really be ironic and funny is if they would announce this is their banking solution.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th August 2008 @ 12:21 am
Sorry to ba away for so long, but yes, that’s mighty funny! Why can’t they use that globalinvestbank? Well, let me answer that question…
A scam can’t(or at least usually does not) Scam a Scam!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 20th August 2008 @ 12:53 am
So last I heard, my gpp “contact” told me the next planned pay out month is September. Any body else heard the same “story”? First it was February, that didnt happen, now its September.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 20th August 2008 @ 5:40 pm
September?…i think allready that in the new year day they do the same like before`CHEERLEADERS GET IN TOUCH AGAIN´and the same old story of getting rich before new year!!!what a shame!!!
Why doesn´t any one tell us if they allready collect 100.000 ID.s?,why the promotors are taking more people afther Stellas up-date,please!where 20.08.2008!!!!SCAM IS THE ANSWER!!
…what a professionals!
Comment by salt — 20th August 2008 @ 8:25 pm
Salt:
Cheerleaders! Thats funny, the “back alley door thug” that is my “contact” person has already left the country, more than likely to start this scam up somewhere else, periodically I get some stupid email from him (even though I tried to have him blocked, but for some reason, that isnt working, he must have multiple ip addressess or something?)
I am actually the middle man for my friend who signed up with gpp, she doesnt have computer access, so I am her link ( I told my story a few months back under the name “Sheeesh”). After all the stupid run a rounds to keep you busy and thinking something is “in the works” on the web sites, i told her guy to contact her directly by phone cuz I was tired of getting emails telling me to go here to this site, once your there, go do this….etc. I mean what is the purpose of going to the websites and re-doing information, and switching sites, other than to keep your butt busy for a while! All of that is unessessary “busy” work.
So when I told him that (and I wasnt being mean or nasty, I was very friendly about it), he turned into an angry 5 year old! Complete with misspelled words in full ghetto format, all caps like he was yelling (not the regular cap size, super cap size!
Even though I had a great laugh at how stupid this guy is, I couldnt help but think that this piece of shit is on a beach somewhere with his punk ass little toes in the sand, while Im laughing at his unprofessionalism and immaturity. I guess I see who has the last laugh.
On second thought, really in the long run, I think I DO have the last laugh b’cuz I have a conscience and I can go to sleep at night knowing Im not some low life scum ripping people off.
They got my friends money, and I hope that one day it will pay out for her, but they wont get mine.
I hope that there arent still people out there hanging on to all hope that this money will come thru??!! Go to work, make an honest living, and enjoy life. Forget gpp, after all it was only what, $60.00 bucks you wasted? Write it off, go on with life.
If it happens (which I doubt) it happens, but dont hold your breath.
Take care peoples.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 20th August 2008 @ 9:16 pm
Oh, and to all of the true believers out there, Ive got some ocean front property in Arizona (USA)(“from the front porch you can see the sea…”) to sell—Cheap, I swear!!
NO no, no need to look it up on the map, just put all of your blind faith in me, like you did with gpp. Tee hee hee HEEEE! I so silly.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 20th August 2008 @ 9:59 pm
Well Stella came out of hiding and has posted the long awaited update. You now have until 9/15/08 to get all your documents sent to the E-mail address. She said the insurance company is processing all the documents received to date, and that GPP is now done with their portion. Interesting choice of words. What was more interesting is that she, or the insurance company, didn’t mention all those documents that were bogus being sent to the E-mail address.
Still no word on the missing banking solution, which was the reason given for the delay in sending in the documents in the first place. It is going to be interesting to see if this is announced, just what it is going to cost the members, and which bank will be named. That is if they don’t run first. Incredible how they have strung everyone along, and people still believe this will happen. Anyone want to speculate what will be their next excuse for not proceeding to the payout?
Comment by EagleOne — 22nd August 2008 @ 2:31 am
gpp website appears to have disapeared! what a surprise
Comment by jacko — 22nd August 2008 @ 11:05 am
Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V = “The site is under recovery work. Please come back 12h later. Thank you.”
Comment by Jev — 22nd August 2008 @ 3:16 pm
Email received today (all personal details removed to keep the sender anonymous). Any advice would be very welcome:
Comment by Ben — 22nd August 2008 @ 3:31 pm
To Ben
As i know – they don’t asking for such information as: Social fiscal number, bank details as IBAN and BIC and full address. That’s all what i can say.
Comment by Jev — 22nd August 2008 @ 5:05 pm
Ben dont give em anything. GPP does not ask for any bank details at all.
Comment by Jason — 22nd August 2008 @ 7:10 pm
GPP website appears to have re-appeared! What a surprise
Comment by goldcard — 22nd August 2008 @ 9:06 pm
Joined: 01 Jan 1970
Posts: 106
New postPosted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 6:55 pm Post subject: Update – deadline Reply with quote
Dear brave Members of Global Pension Plan!
The 17th of August has gone by and I am sure you are all waiting for the news to come!
We all have come a long way to arrive at this point in time and we all want to really finish the Program so that our dreams, hopes and wishes can come true, right?
Well, we are not fully there yet! The 100.000 documents have not yet fully arrived.
Before you now all get the blues, listen to this:
We have almost made it! Everything looks really great! GPP is actually done! There is nothing else we need now except the 100.000 documents. And this is a FANTASTIC NEWS!!!
Negative thinking is totally beside the point here! Do not go into this!
This is actually such a great achievement and you cannot imagine how much effort it took from our side to get this all done despite all the other efforts that wanted us to fail! Please also appreciate all that work that has been done.
We are here and we communicate with you and we do not go away! We want it to succeed and you want it to succeed. That makes us a team, right? And the rest of what needs to be done can also only be accomplished as a team!
Now we need you members to really be 100% professional Team Members!
As you can imagine it is not an easy task to get over 100.000 members coordinated and going in one direction, right?
However, this is what needs to happen now! If you ever had thoughts in the direction of “do I really deserve to get so much money for such a tiny investment†– well, here we have something to really DO for everyone of you and thus deserve your payment.
Every sponsor in GPP now has to SYSTEMATICALLY control his downline level by level and make sure that the documents are sent.
How does that go? Well, this program will only be successfully finished if every member will raise his responsibility for his downline. Please do not get me wrong. We know that there are many, many members in the whole world that have done a marvellous job and we really want to thank all of them for that.
So here are the steps to perform:
1. Every Sponsor with a downline immediately contacts all the members in his FIRST level of his downline. As you obviously have showed them GPP and then signed up these persons you know how to contact them.
2. You fully verify with them that they have correctly sent their documents to the correct address.
3. If someone has not yet done it, you make him to do so.
4. If he does not want to do it anymore, please handle it with him and get it done. No one needs to be afraid of bad things to happen or of some invented bad consequences and all that rubbish. This is ridiculous. Help him to see that!
5. Make all your first level members then fully responsible for doing the steps 1-4 with THEIR first level members.
6. If possible make them to report to you that they have done Steps 1-5 with their first level members!
If every Sponsor does the above steps with his first level downline, we will soon have made it! This is something that is really doable!
Only with good CONTROL we can get that done!
Now maybe many of you say, that they have done this already and all of their guys have sent the documents. Well, if that would be the case we would have received at least the 100.000 already, as we have far more than 100.000 members signed up so far. Just do the above steps despite any other assumptions and you might see some surprises.
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The deadline for sending in the documents is hereby extended to the 15th of September 2008.
Now please do not dramatize this point “oh my god, another delay – when will this ever end?â€Â
While we gather the rest of the documents which we need in order to achieve the 100.000, the insurance company will already work on those documents that they have already received, so actually there is only a small delay, if any!
Dear members, you are only centimeters away from the biggest clue you have ever had in your life. Don´t waste this unique chance by not being team players. It is actually not so much we expect from you compared to the outcome, right?
And please do not send me floods of E-Mails giving me your opinions on it or suggesting to already pay out those that did send the documents and other weird ideas. These E-Mails only overflow my E-Mail Address and will be erased.
We have very precise rules and these will not change.
Lets all do the above and we will achieve our common goal!
Of course the sign up functions for new and additional contracts remain open until then. This will of course also contribute to achieve the 100.000 even faster.
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
There is no doubt that we will make it.
Looking forward to see all of you at our victory party!
Regards,
Stella
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Comment by alain lopez — 22nd August 2008 @ 11:44 pm
I also read that GPP update from “stelliar”. For those of you who didn’t read it here it is in a nutshelf:
“blaah,blaah, don’t be negative, blaah,blaah, team work, blaah,blaah, some more delays, blaah, blaah”
and most important of all…wait for it… yes, that’s right:
“Of course the sign up functions for new and additional contracts remain open until then. This will of course also contribute to achieve the 100.000 even faster”
Ladies and gentlemen, you can still buy more policies, what a big surprise there…
When I read “stelliars” writing about team work, suddenly I had scene from the movie “untouchables” running in my head. You know, that scene where Al Capone (played by Robert de Niro) is preaching to his people about team work and have them chanting “team work”, and then suddenly he takes a baseball bat and smashes one guys head with it. Wonder where I get that in my head, weird:)
Comment by Rokka — 23rd August 2008 @ 2:12 am
I have seen some queries here about giving bank details.
You are requested to leave that space blank and reply
only with “banking solution” You must not give bank details. No one is happy at the moment. But it is too late for regrets. Only hope. Not as if anyone has lost a fortune. Many people have complained to Authorities. But who is interested in chasing up for the individual loss of 30 euros? Far worse things happen with e-bullion and such. The web is a minefield and no mistake.
Angie
Comment by Angie — 23rd August 2008 @ 3:29 pm
“Of course the sign up functions for new and additional contracts remain open until then.”
“do not send me floods of E-Mails giving me your opinions on it or suggesting to already pay out those that did send the documents and other weird ideas. These E-Mails only overflow my E-Mail Address and will be erased.”
Translation: “Don’t ask questions you mindless vermin. Just send me more money!”
Boy, I’d like to meet her/him on the street.
Doesn’t Stella have a database with all the email addresses? Why doesn’t she send an email to everyone? Too difficult or, oh yeah, it’s a weird idea. Silly me.
Comment by zippy — 24th August 2008 @ 8:40 am
Actually they are afraid they can be traced and their cover blown.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th August 2008 @ 11:10 am
Came across this, and had to share it with all of you. This is just too funny, so turn your speakers up and enjoy:
IveSpentEverywhere.mp3
Comment by EagleOne — 24th August 2008 @ 9:33 pm
some little copy-paste from GPP forum:
“PLEASE READ THIS VERY CAREFULLY! IT IS FUNDAMENTAL FOR
THE SUCCESS OF GPP
-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:-:
Hello dear friends of GPP !
Today I feel urged to write to you !
The purpose of this communication from me to you is to UNITE OUR FORCES AND STRENGTH in order to achieve the final victory of the Program GPP.
I am talking to YOU – the members who have send in their documents ! Those that believe in this program! Those who believe in the work of GPP and that they are honest people who want to really succeed for the benefit of the members and for the benefit of all interested parties of this endeavour.
This group of positive thinking men and women which we are do have a problem and I want to explain it a little bit more. It is very basic.
We are living in a troubled world. How did it become so troubled?
Well, we are living in a world which is full of human beings that are being controlled by the massmedia of Press and TV. Not everyone but definitely the majority! .
These two huge instruments of mass hypnosis have the power to influence the weak beings in every direction they want.. It is very easy for them to create all kinds of fear! Take a look in the recent past. It is also very easy to find a negative intention in everything that people are doing. People doing that are already very deep on the hypnosis scale as they have lost their ability of judgment.
When peoples fear can easily be restimulated then one can control these beings!
There are a few beings on this planet that are VERY interested in controlling each and everyone, and finally some time the whole planet. They are in full control of the mass media! If you do not know who they are, well, inform yourself! But I am sure most of you know who I am talking about.
George Orwell once wrote the classic work “1984†– Well, we have reached that status already long time ago and we are already far beyond that point.
However, what does that has to do with us? – Those members that have send in their documents.
Obviously we belong to a group of people that have NOT been hypnotized too much! That are still trying to take a chance when such an opportunity is there. Very Well Done for that!!!
You have kept your position and are willing to play the game.
Sometimes this Program of GPP appears to me as the opportunity to escape the “slavemaster†by breaking out of the prison/matrix we are all in…!
This chance might only only exist for a very short period…!
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-
However, there is this one rule we all have to adhere to:
The prerequisite for GPP to succeed is that the insurance company wants at least 100.000 members to send in their documents.
This rule exists and it will not be changed.
Many members, more than you think have NOT send in their documents!
In order to achieve our goal we have to really work hard until the 15th of September. Believe me it is not something that you can leave to all the other members. Do not take it lightly and assume that all the others will make it. This is a huge error! If you don´t do it, they will not do it!
I appail to each and every one of you to raise your responsibility for GPP and thus bring it off.
It will not happen, if you don´t make it happen! Do not be stuck in any kind of spectatorism, watching the race and seeing which side will win.
-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Once more let me tell you where we are standing right now:
1. GPP is DONE! They have done all the steps that are necessary to pay out the members. And this is PHANTASTIC!!!!!
However, many do not believe it.
It is the same situation as if you would go to the middle of a big market place with lots of people there and you hold up a huge gold nugget in your hand and scream: “I have a huge gold nugget here in my hand. The first to come will get it!â€Â
After half an hour you arm is hurting as you cannot hold it up anymore.
People wouldn’t come. What will they say? “No, no, this is just a betray!†“If I take it, then I later have to pay for it.†“No, no, that nugget is full of radioactivity and will make me sick.â€Â
“No, no I am not stupid, what is your gain in this?â€Â
OH MY GOD!
But that is the world we are living in.
So I repeat: GPP is DONE ! They can pay out! They only need 100.000 documents!
Isn’t that a funny situation we are in?
Next very important point:
2. Nothing bad can happen when you send in your documents.
What do those not having sent their documents think could happen to them?
I am sure some “friendsâ€Â, “experts†or family members have told these members huge horror stories! That they would lose their house or their whole fortune etc. Or they were stupid enough to go into all kinds of “forums†and wanted to find out about GPP. And these places are so full of “experts†which are nothing else than chaos merchants either wanting to be interesting or having their own vested interests.
Even if GPP would not be real, just hypothetically, what could they do with a black/white copied drivers license or with this agreement form? Nothing!
What a paranoia those people have inside of them, which of course has been implanted by the mass media and by all those “friends†and “experts†around them.
Well these people are weak, very easily lose their position. Too bad for them.
You have the responsibility to show them the truth. To help them to see that this is really ridiculous and that they still should take this chance and send in their documents. They have already paid for it, why not take a chance?
I am sure when you do the steps 1-5 as mentioned in the posting of Stella that you will find many of these people. It is your duty to help them and thus help GPP and actually in the long run help yourself.
3. We need to sign up new members and immediately send in their documents.
Sure, we will be able to recover a certain amount of people mentioned in step 2. However this will not be enough! This is not yet the correct estimation of effort which we need in order to make it! .
Actually additionally to that we need many new members. Theoretically, if every member that has sent in his documents will sign up one more person and make him to send his documents, then we will make it.
And maybe in the end we might even have 110.000 or 120.000 Members, so what? Too bad! Everyone will still get his payment! There isn´t such a problem as “having too manyâ€Â
We are basically on a good way. We just need to take more responsibility for the Program.
You can be upset about “all these stupid members†that have not send their documents, you can scream, you can shout, you can cry – but all that will not help!
You have to decide to take on a CAUSATIVE VIEWPOINT to the problem and then we all have a chance.
As Stella said. We will only make it as a team.
It is not so easy to become a very united team as we all more or less do not know each other. We are spread all over the planet, but we all have this one goal in common and THAT make us a team!
Our only communication line is the forum of GPP!
Make all your members to regularly read the forum. Inform all your members on the situation thus raising their responsibility. Everyone can do something about it! And even if he only brings one more person through! Lets do it!
And then we will really have deserved our payment!
So this, my friends, is my serious advice to you! I hope you all will duplicate the truth of this message!
We do not need any more talking, we do not need floods of e-mails going back and force. We need ACTION! So please ACT !
We have this unique chance to escape the slavemaster!
Lets be united and bring it off.
And then we all see us at our victory parties all around the world!!!
All the best to you, neverland”
IMO, this is the biggest pile of BS I’ve heard in a very long time.
I won’t even bother to comment on this neverlands update, because I wouldn’t know where to start from…
Comment by Rokka — 25th August 2008 @ 9:14 am
Something else that was interesting to read from the forum at Q&A:
“25. What ID Documents can be used?
For adults we either need a copy of the Passport or a copy of the Drivers License. Any of them will do!
For children we need their Birth Certificate as they do not have any other ID Document.
The copy must be 100% legible! We really, really recommend to you to make a coloured copy.
The absolute Optimum would be a coloured copy double size, but this is not mandatory.
The keynote here is that it really must be very easy to read.”
Few pointers,
What does this neverland mean about childs birth certificate, because “they do not have any other ID Document”.
My kid got her first passport at the age of 3 weeks,so one can get it as soon as the child is born.
These guys seems to want to have their cake and eat it too. First you get 6+ mil €. and then you also get to steal members identity.
I’d be very cautious about sending a coloured copy of my passport to anybody whom I know nothing about.Let alone to send ’em my kids birth certificate…
Comment by Rokka — 25th August 2008 @ 9:23 am
What a pile of propaganda is that? Neverland talks Orwell and doesn’t even get that he’s the negative?
It is NOT like standing in the market with a free gold nugget.
It IS like tying the nugget to a fishing line, leaving it on the street for a child to find, and then , hiding until the children are captured and sent off to slavery (which is where they will end up if their I.D. is compromised! Imagine, some crooks will hold ID for 10 or 15 years before selling it, nice surprise,…they give you nothing then they clean you out! Forever! AND your babies, too! Wow, won’t they be grateful for that legacy!)
I can;t believe Neverland pretended this hogwash is transparent. More like sitting in the market covered in a cloak and a balaclava (mask), disguising your voice and wondering why they don’t want to eat your ‘free’ candy!
Comment by zippy — 25th August 2008 @ 10:30 am
Don’t listen to the negative talkers. They’re opinions are all based on assumption. They really have no concrete evidence against GPP. ONLY ASSUMPTIONS. Ther’re making these assumptions only because it’s taking so long to complete. That and they love the attention their squawking gets them.
Why be worried about your ID being stolen? It’s your name, address and date of birth they want. Think it’s not already out there? Think again! Hundreds of advertisers, government agencies, the medical community etc.. already have that information. And hundreds of people you don’t know have access to it. Just put the word “copy” on your ID. They can’t make a legit copy of it then.
Send in your Docs now. We’re waiting on you.
Get-R-Done
Comment by negativity hogwash — 25th August 2008 @ 8:13 pm
Need the help of a computer whiz. When I copy the link I previously posted into a word document it works fine. When I copied it here it won’t work. Why? Is there any way I can get it to work here? Any help is greatly appreciated.
[Addition by Ben: EagleOne, thanks for the email, here is the download link for the file:
IveSpentEverywhere.mp3 ]
Comment by EagleOne — 25th August 2008 @ 9:12 pm
Negativity hogwash,
Keeping up with the official party line, I see.
And to all people who are “positive” about GPP, just one question.
What were the reasons, or facts, that made you believe that GPP is genuine and legit?
No need to argue, just want to hear what are reasons behind the decision to join and/or promote GPP.
Comment by Rokka — 26th August 2008 @ 6:36 am
I have noticed that the negative people sem to keep up duologues between themselves for a long long time. I suppose this gives the impression that many people are negative? Huh? When actually it is just a couple of you out there. There are a lot of bright people in GPP who just might pull it off. What have you got to lose? 30 euros! about $47 or £25. Big deal. So why are you wasting so much time?
Angie
Comment by Angie — 26th August 2008 @ 3:31 pm
Thank you Rokka!
And yes Angie, there are lots of bright people in GPP, they are the ones running the show! And they have all of your $$$$, after all, they werent gready, just a few dollars from what, 100000 people?! lol
I think the negativity stems from people who have been waiting for years for this payout. ONly to have it pushed back repeaditly.
When you start a company or what ever this is, wouldnt you have had a better pay out plan since that is what your ultimate goal is? This gpp has been around for years, you cant tell me they dont have all the members yet, so thats not the problem. In fact back in February wasnt the problem with the Banking solution, not the member totals?
And the bigger problem is that some of the members are desperate people who will have their hopes and dreams crushed if gpp is just a scam. this is their last hope of getting out of what ever situation they are in, and if it doesnt happen for them, what then? Will they turn to robbery as their last hope? You just dont know how hard up some people are. Its just not right if gpp is a scam.
Truth is none of us truley know what will happen, we can only speculate, and the people going against gpp are just going by what gpp has shown them already, everyone else is going on hope. But everyone thinks they are right. So yes, all of the back and forths are pretty useless, will just have to wait and see in September what will happen.
So cross your fingers or place your bets, cuz right now the only thing that is 100% going to happen is that September will get here soon, anything else? Well,that will remain to be seen.
I personally didnt invest so I dont care either way, But the point is I know how desparate my friends situation is, and I just dont want to see her or anyone else get crushed. It wouldnt be fair for someone to take advantage of desperate people. I mean who are they to do so???
Just my opinion. you-all know about opinions, we all have one!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 26th August 2008 @ 5:21 pm
Angie,
You forgot to mention how GPP is like lottery, otherwise your cheerleading seemed to follow the old routine.
Eagle,
The song was hilarious, but probably the cheerleaders won’t appreciate the humor. probably us “naysayers” get the joke much better.
Comment by Rokka — 27th August 2008 @ 9:38 am
I believe Stella is donating a huge chunk of money from global pension fund to a childrens charity. Has the charity been named and are they aware of this donation? Is there a way to check the donation has been promised to a legit charity.
Comment by barbara headley — 27th August 2008 @ 1:58 pm
WHERE’S ALL THE EXTANS !!?? GONE.
Comment by marco — 27th August 2008 @ 5:43 pm
FOR ALL THE PEOPLE STILL CONSIDERING SENDING OFF THEIR DOCUMENTS MY PAL IN AMERICA SENT HERS OFF, SHE GOT AN INSTANT REPLY FROM GPP AS WOULD BE EXPECTED BUT THEN SHE GOT ONE FROM HER MAIL SERVER SAYING THAT “ONE” OF HER CONTACTS COULD NOT BE REACHED ! DOE’S THIS SOUND LIKE THE GPP E-MAIL ADDRESS HAS GOT A “BOUNCER” ATTACHED TO IT.
Comment by marco — 27th August 2008 @ 5:49 pm
Marco: Good question, but I think they are all too busy providing oil to the airlines. Seems all the major players stopped doing it leaving a big void that only the EXTANS could provide. Either that or he is off mountain climbing, doing open heart surgery on himself, teaching math, trying to figure out how to be a success in business, or all of the above simultaneously.
Comment by EagleOne — 27th August 2008 @ 7:22 pm
Too incredible! These cheerleaders are4 always trying to tell us how this “will happen”. What do we get? Next month, no, next month, no, next month… and on and on… Take the January payout for instance!
Talk about something sad… These clowns want to blame the members on the pending failure of the program. Now how much easier of an out does a scammer need?
Now why would any legit company beg someone with a big downline to get them to send in their info? Carazy question (nut no, it is not crazy), WHY CAN’T GPP DO IT? They have the email addresses….Don’t they? Suspect… especially since this is the only way that anyone can contact GPP on thier Gmail account! LOL LOL!
That nonsense that in a previous post by Neverland is just too much crap to believe! Like Rokka noted this is nonsense, This really leaves one at a loss of words!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 27th August 2008 @ 10:38 pm
Eagle,
You forgot about extans skills in tuning his vacuum cleaner:)
That was my personal favourite. And also and being an skilled animal trainer might keep him busy…
Comment by Rokka — 28th August 2008 @ 7:21 am
Rokka: Thanks for reminding me. How could I have forgotten that? Also his ability to repair computers, keyboards, and servers. His accomplishments were so many, it is hard to remember them all. But I am sure he will soon be back to remind us all of the ones we left out, or update us on all his new ones since he was last here.
Comment by EagleOne — 28th August 2008 @ 10:23 am
In response to: barbara headley comment 1333
So “Stella= I got your money snitches” is teasing charities now?!
How rude. lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 28th August 2008 @ 6:31 pm
hmm..interesting – how many members are already send in their docs?
Comment by Jev — 29th August 2008 @ 6:05 pm
IN REPLY TO THE PREVIOUS COMMENT/QUESTION ACCORDING TO A RECENT RUSSIAN FORUM THEY ARE NOW UP TO 90000 DOCUMENTS.
Comment by marco — 30th August 2008 @ 12:25 pm
I rarely trot back to these forums to see how the comments for GPP are developing. I have to say that I am sickened by all this GPP carry-on and am looking at the very ‘real’ impact of how this has affected just one of the members, my mother-in-law. She is 88 and, whilst not ‘eligible’ for the actual pension scheme, she has introduced so many people that she honestly believes she is going to get £880,000 as a result! Obviously she is a pensioner, but the worst thing is that she so firmly believes what the people who introduced her to this scheme say, that she is adament that the money will be forthcoming – there is almost a ‘bible-thumping’ attitude in that everyone she encounters is badgered to sign up. She is now spending money on credit in anticipation of the payout on things that would improve her comfort in her old-age. She will not hear a thing against the plan and only mildly understands my saying ‘wait until you actually have the money then’.
I am sure there are others of older people caught up in all this.
Personally, if I may chip in my two-penneth here, instead of all the bickering on the site, which is wearing thin now and not getting to the crucial points anymore – why don’t all you kind hearted and more intelligent people who obviously understand financial matters and pensions, now use your time and efforts to put pressure on the Government, Media, local MP – in fact ANYONE who can bring this scheme to a high level of publicity and investigate some of the salient points of how if does/not stack up.
PLEASE STOP YOUR BICKERING AND USE YOUR BRAINS TO DO SOMETHING CONSTRUCTIVE. I BELIEVE THERE IS A LOT OF HEARTACHE FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE AHEAD OF THEM – JUST HOW LONG WILL IT BE BEFORE THEY REALISE?
Comment by Linz — 30th August 2008 @ 12:27 pm
nice. this is mean that till 15th of september they sure will received all 100 000 docs.
Comment by Jev — 30th August 2008 @ 2:41 pm
Linz – many of us fully understand your concerns. I myself have been in contact with the UK authorities who are aware of the scam. The problem arises that unless they are presented with clear evidence that money has been obtained under false pretences, there is little they can do.
GPP have been careful inasmuch as they have only ‘promised’ to pay under certain circumstances (100,000 members etc.) – and promising something, even though it is known to be a false promise, is not illegal.
However, there are moves afoot to take action against those who have collected money on behalf of GPP, acting as agents.
Comment by Owen Platt — 31st August 2008 @ 6:04 am
Owen, many thanks for your comments. Looking at the figures, I reckon my m-i-l must have signed all the 100,000 members herself to anticipate such a tidy sum! In which case, she will need all her British stiff upper lip when telling all her line things like ‘whoops, sorry, the insurers themselves absconded with the money’; ‘whoops, sorry I signed all your children – their future pensions are now at risk’; ‘whoops sorry, err, you owe £80,000 for the loan taken out in your name against the pension that we still can’t find a banking solution to’; ‘ooh it rained and all the money got wet and drifted down a drain’, ‘ooh, whoops another load of freebooters found the IDs and got into your country’ or maybe finally ‘whoops, sorry no you can’t have a mortgage, there’s too big a loan outstanding’.
There are already other such schemes running – if this is all a success, well it will be like London buses, so the unbelievers won’t ever have missed out.
Anyway – it’s about time deadlines became deadlines. 15th September they say? ‘Course, it is only about £25….
Comment by Linz — 31st August 2008 @ 9:32 am
The principle promoter in the UK seems to be a Terry Gilder whose postings (as TeamThemco) must have painted a pretty big bulls eye on his forehead. He will surely have some explaining to do!
Comment by Owen Platt — 31st August 2008 @ 10:03 am
He’s explaining, alright, Owen. Looks a right mess now. Hope everyone is doing whatever they can to safeguard their bank accounts since Mr. Gilder seems to have been truly hacked and robbed.
This is very unfortunate. I hope no one else suffers a loss like his, otherwise, if it is due to GPP, then suddenly the plan has become incredibly expensive in terms of loss, insecurity, and identity theft.
Comment by zippy — 2nd September 2008 @ 7:02 am
It did occur to me that Mr. Gilder’s problems may well have emanated from the GPP professional team of IT management!
Comment by Owen Platt — 2nd September 2008 @ 7:05 am
Recent post from one of the GPP scammers:
“Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 4:43 pm Post subject: Update – where are we standing?
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Dear Members,
this again is a communication directed from me to YOU, all the ACTIVE members of GPP.
It is you who are working a lot to meet the target. I really want to thank you for all your input and initiative and dedication. This is really appreciated.
However, right now we are not fast enough and I think there is a very special ingredient which we need to implement in order to get things going with more speed.
You who are active please make all your other members in your downline active too!
We need you to DEMAND this from all your guys as well. This is the expectancy which you have to bring across to them.
I know this is sometimes much more difficult than to just go and sign up new members yourself, so you decide to not activate the others as “any effort in that direction is in vain.†Please change your attitude and definitely make all the other members responsible too. It is not acceptable that all those inactive members let the rest do the job. They are part of the team, so they are also responsible. This makes the difference between ADDING or MULTIPLYING
We cannot just ADD new members anymore, we have to MULTIPLY!
If every member that has sent in the documents so far signs up one more person and immediately also sends the docs, then we will have made it.
And this is not a joke. And this not a trick. And this is not an attempt to just “make more moneyâ€Â.
So on the one hand I ask you to implement the above ingredient.
BUT: On the other hand I hereby want to ask to become much more effective by skipping some other actions and “ingredients†which do not in any way brings us forward towards our target.
What do I mean by this?
Too many people are engaged in activities like spreading rumours or reading other forums outside GPP or writing long e-mails to GPP telling them what they have to do better etc.
All this will not result in more documents of members.
And I want to make one point here very clear:
IF IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE GPP FORUM, THEN IT IS NOT TRUE:
Some people say “Stella wrote to me an E-Mail and said we have nearly made the 100.000, we only need a few thousand moreâ€Â
This is just not true! This is absolutely ridiculous!
There is no such hidden communication line to anyone. Whenever Stella or GPP in general want to let the members know something, it will be issued in the forum.
So why not skip all these speculations, rumours, guesses, suggestions etc. and just do what is really needed and wanted from the members. Anything else is just wasted energy!
Let us just send in as many documents as possible from old and new members. Let us fully concentrate on that. Anything else is just a distraction and sometimes a bloody dramatization.
Totally useless, totally ineffective.
I try to communicate very honestly and very A to B.
This is all there is to it.
And even when you do not hear anything from Stella for some time, so what?
She is there, she is busy, she will not go away. She is really doing her job.
No need to go anywhere else to “find out something there about GPPâ€Â.
So let us do our job.
That is the simplicity of it.
Anything else is not helpful.
Lets unite, lets not disperse. Only united we are strong. Let us do our job and soon we will have made it.
I do not know how to state it any clearer. This is the truth. Please believe me.
I tell you, we can and we will make it. And we will celebrate and the champagne will overflow!
All the best, neverland
PS: I know that many of you want a figure where we are exactly standing. Please read the above carefully again. It is all there.”
Again, this guy, neverland, never fails to amaze me. The guy is so full of BS, that it’s beyond belief.
My favourite parts were:
-“IF IT IS NOT WRITTEN IN THE GPP FORUM, THEN IT IS NOT TRUE”
-“And this is not a joke. And this not a trick. And this is not an attempt to just “make more moneyâ€Â. ”
What else there is to say? I think this last post echoes the last dying breaths of GPP. It’s time to pull the plug…
Comment by Rokka — 2nd September 2008 @ 7:47 pm
Is it just me, but doesn’t this Neverland character start to look like Baghdad Bob? : )
Denial,it’s a wonderful thing…
Comment by Rokka — 4th September 2008 @ 8:04 am
In Norway, the prime promotor of the GPP scam is a man called Ole Edvard Holmgren, alias “TradeMan”. He is a notorious “bankruptcy jockey” who became infamous for being one of the main promotors of the Plexpay pyramid/Ponzi/shares fraud, which was stopped by Norwegian police in September 2005.
In late 2007, six of the scam leaders were sentenced by the local court in Trondheim, Norway to up to 2 1/2 years prison for operating an illegal pyramid scheme. The verdicts have been appealed, and the appeal trial will start in early 2009.
Comment by S Holmes — 5th September 2008 @ 8:00 pm
gone awfully quiet on this blog. is everyone waiting with bated breath for the payout? or not!
Comment by jacko — 10th September 2008 @ 3:52 pm
jacko!
I thing not!
…can imagine that most of us are here have the normal attitude…
whe are tired of Stella and all her cheerleaders!!!
…now they have another problem with ¨someone¨ who seems to send with the name of stella,E-mails asking for money for something…
The next step?You tell me!
Comment by salt — 10th September 2008 @ 7:50 pm
WELL FOLKS ITS SEPTEMBER THE 15th HAS ANYBODY RECEIVED THEIR PAYOUT YET, “STILL TIME TO BUY MORE POLICES”
Comment by MARCO — 15th September 2008 @ 8:02 pm
Ah yes, and here it comes. Terry Gilder’s email has been hacked since Aug. 28th.
How surprising,..not.
If anybody can access the forum since the last ‘hacking’ , why was no additional security put in place considering the documents being submitted are of utmost priority?
Comment by zippy — 15th September 2008 @ 8:24 pm
Dead line just passed here in Finland, interesting to see what is the next excuse…
It was noted already here in newspapers that GPP is one of the biggest scams in Finland with some tens of thousands of victims.
http://www.hs.fi/kotimaa/artikkeli/GPP-pyramidihuijauksen+uhreina+kymmeni%C3%A4+tuhansia/1135239413111
It was basically same old story, but there were some interesting things said, like the fact that police has already interrogated about ten people who are believed to be main culprits in this scam, some foreigners might also be included.
Also police doesn’t have a clue where the money went, and it’s going to be a long process to find it out, because the money has been sent around the world to offshore companies and to foreign accounts.
Also the scammers who were interviewed by the police said that, same kind of system as GPP had worked in England, but according to police no proof of that exists.
Names that are involved(both victims, and scammers) in GPP here in Finland, are partly the same as in notorious “wincapita” forex scam, and E65 scam, which was similar to GPP.
We shouldn’t forget one “honest businessman” named Matti Kärsämä. Wish the police reserves him a nice little cell…
Comment by Rokka — 15th September 2008 @ 10:12 pm
Thanks for that link, Rokka. Karsama is definitely the correct line to follow. His friends are easy enough to find on the net.
Comment by zippy — 15th September 2008 @ 11:16 pm
My Friends,
I have not been back due to internet problems… Just wanted to make a quick note! When a birth certificate was requested to be sent for ID purposes… One might think that “hey this does not contain much info”. Ah but it does!!! It tells the scammers that you actually do EXIST!!!! This is one of the most important docs you have!! I really didn’t understand it’s importance till recently. I’d make sure that you’d lock them in a safe place.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 16th September 2008 @ 5:59 pm
So kids, is this room empty today because everyone got paid?! Im sure thats it.
Anyone hear from them? What is the latest reason they need to “push” back the pay out date? Stella doing her hair? Nails? Need some more people to sign up cuz the kabillion people they already have isnt enough?
Where are the ra-ras? Did they run out of cheers?
Shame on those gpp people. (G=Global, P=psychotic P=pranksters…hee hee hee) I wonder what the weather is like where they are? Bet its really nice.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 16th September 2008 @ 7:08 pm
How anyone can still believe this is real after seeing what has transpired in the last few days in the financial world needs more than a psychiatrist. But I bet someone will buy Stella’s new story whenever she gets around to posting it. What gullible people are in the world. It is sad.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th September 2008 @ 7:21 am
Eagle,
You forgot that GPP is conducting business actually in some sort of a parallel universe(GPP land, if you will).
In this magical land, all the financial laws cease to exist.
In this place, money does grow on trees…
it’s where few bucks turn in to tens of thousands with a whisp of stellas magic wand.
In this wonderland, dreams do always come true, and nobody has a negative mind.
In this magical GPP land, Stella is the queen, Neverland is that guy blowing the horn next to her. Matti Kärsämä is a royal advisor, along with chicosan, extan and many others.
Also, in this place of fairytales come true, whole population has their own offshore account.also people send their documents to unknown people for the heck of it, because ID theft just doesn’t exist. Banks and other financial institutions exist only to hand out money to ordinary people, they do not seek any profit…
Sounds like a wonderful place this GPP land, doesn’t it?
Comment by Rokka — 17th September 2008 @ 9:59 pm
Rokka: Now you tell me. If I had known all this, I would have bought multiple policies. Sheesh.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th September 2008 @ 12:45 am
Eagle: don’t you worry, it’s not too late. Even though the deadline has passed, I’m quite sure you can get more policies. You can acquire policies by sending your documents,IDs(what are they worth to you, anyways?), and money to stella.
Then you click your heels together three times, and repeat three times outloud :”there’s no place like GPP land”.
And that way you get to live the fairy tale…
Comment by Rokka — 18th September 2008 @ 1:57 am
Hopefully this “Stella” and all the other people who have been getting gullible people to part with their hard earned money are all in jail now. We can but hope.
Comment by VCJ — 19th September 2008 @ 12:10 pm
EAGLE, JUST LIKE ROKKA SAID ITS NOT TO LATE “STELLA” SAID SHE’S ONLY RECEIVED ABOUT 65.7% OF DOCUMENTS OR SOME RIDICULOUS FIGURE, SO GET IN NOW BEFORE THEY ARE ALL SNAPPED UP BY THE EXTANS OF THIS WORLD, MUST ADMIT I AM QUITE DISSAPOINTED BY THIS LATEST “UPDATE” I EXPECTED MORE EXCUSE’S OR EVEN THAT THE PROJECT HAD FOLDED DUE TO LACK OF DOCUMENTS
Comment by MARCO — 19th September 2008 @ 2:37 pm
How convenient! She needs another 36,000 members!
There were 100,000 over a year ago, but somehow, with all the extra sales, she’s lost a third of the originals? And can’t send a mass email?
Yea, right.
Comment by zippy — 19th September 2008 @ 6:21 pm
Here’s few rants from stella 2.5.2008, straight from GPPs “secret” forum:
“One good example of those destructive forces is the media. It’s tooting total rubbish sowing fear and disbelief. Decent and impartial news papers tell you about this today, and the total opposite tomorrow. Good example comes from a tiny northern country called Finland, where this daily news paper turned tabloid telling people we have closed our site (referring to one of our member’s own website he maintained to support his GPP downline) and the next day they published an article about our re-priced Additional Policies. Quite a paradox, isn’t it?! The same periodical also wrote, that we had published a message on our forum concerning a Finnish red-tapist, i.e. bureaucrat, how’s not a big fan of GPP. Well, honestly, I don’t think so! Where is the message, as I can’t see any (I don’t see any reason not to publish the message now, as the cat is on the table already)?! Do these people ever check the facts before they open their laptop and start educating the common man? Doesn’t look like it! But as long as they write a good story with some drama, that’s enough for them to earn their monthly living.”
“So far the originators. i.e. the Trust partner, the business idea and plan, the partners, i.e. the insurance company and financing institution, and me included, have all passed the scrutiny of the officials”
I wonder why is the police interrogating people over here in “tiny northern country called Finland”, if GPP already passed the “scrutiny of the officials”?
And after reading this post by “stelliar”, I can see where extan got his facts and ideas from.
And to those who still believes this BS: Now it’s time to go home and make a tin foil hat, so the evil government won’t steal your thoughts…
Comment by Rokka — 22nd September 2008 @ 6:12 pm
From a previous post on one of the GPP sites:
GPP has set a deadline of August 31st, 2007, and then will procesws paperwork for whatever number of members they end up with, be it 60,000 or 90,000 or what ever.
So what is the big deal about only having 67,000 documents sent in??
They themselves said that the 100,000 number did not or does not matter. And with the extra policies already sold, some sort of a goal has already been met.
Comment by Mred — 25th September 2008 @ 5:47 am
THE NEW AND LATEST DEADLINE IS 19th OCTOBER 2008, “STILL TIME TO BUY MORE POLICIES”
Comment by MARCO — 29th September 2008 @ 12:04 pm
Remember Stella making this comment on the referral fees from June 06?, and I quote:
“Case study
Let’s imagine the following simplified scenario, that by accident you happen to know two persons you want to share this program with and you think would need or want a little more money. You show them our site and they both decide to sign up after they have done their own due diligence. They are as lucky as you are and know two persons as well who they think might be interested in our program.
They share the business plan with them and these two persons decide to sign up as well. Same simple chart continues, it’s spread by members who are in your organization. When your organization has grown to the 8th level (out of 12 levels), there are 510 members altogether in your downline and you have earned a reasonable $1,020,000 for your efforts. Plus the $55,000 Compensation of course! And remember, there are still 4 more levels available to expand your downline! Nothing stops your downline growing from here on!”
Comment by EagleOne — 30th September 2008 @ 6:15 am
Lets not forget, their website expires 10/21/08, just 2 days after the date she gave for the deadline!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Mred — 30th September 2008 @ 10:27 am
I wonder ?
GGP started 1100 days ago the recived 65700 documents up till 15 sep 2008
THE NEW AND LATEST DEADLINE IS 19th OCTOBER 2008,
and now the think that after 21 days the will recive 34300 documents more ( 1110 every day ) ??? sorry I just wonder ?????
Comment by Bams — 30th September 2008 @ 4:12 pm
No need to wonder…you know whats going on!
Global Pension Plan, proudly giving people the run around since 200*! And dont hold your breath for the “new” date either.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 30th September 2008 @ 9:30 pm
i would like to now is real deal or not. my friend came to me with this and sound good and i believed her and gave her £50 for 3 polices so i hope it is true can you help.
Comment by debbie — 1st October 2008 @ 2:27 pm
All you can do is to wait and see ????????
Comment by Bams — 3rd October 2008 @ 6:58 pm
I know some here were involved with Ben Seigler so…
Fake pastor admits he bilked others of $1.4M
By Tim McGlone
The Virginian-Pilot
© October 3, 2008
NORFOLK
A man who enticed some 4,000 investors into a bogus money-making scheme pleaded guilty to four federal charges Thursday and has agreed to give up more than $1.2 million in cash and property.
Benjamin J. Seigler, 43, pleaded guilty to four counts of mail fraud. He admitted operating an investment plan from October 2007 through March that did nothing but enrich himself.
Seigler faces up to 20 years in prison on each count when he is sentenced Feb. 12.
Seigler held himself out as a successful investor and pastor who claimed his investment programs were “God-given,” according to an indictment filed against him in May. He was scheduled to stand trial next week but instead accepted a plea agreement offered by the U.S. attorney’s office.
Seigler signed a statement of facts admitting that the entire venture was a scam. His promises to investors that he was putting their money into a program called “Global Pension Plan” or “Global Pension Investment Trust” were a ruse, he acknowledged.
Instead of investing the money, Seigler kept it in a local credit union and stored piles of cash in his apartment on Pall Mall Street (not in the mansion he claimed to live in).
He solicited investors through telephone conference calls that he held daily.
“I had more gold chains than Mr. T had. Rings on all fingers. Ten cars. Big mansions,” he said in a March 5 sales pitch call, as cited in the indictment.
He also claimed to have made so much money that he had to give away millions of dollars.
None of that was true. Seigler was a failed contractor who had declared bankruptcy in Pennsylvania before moving here, according to public records.
None of the investors received any returns, prosecutors said. Seigler did begin returning some money to investors after the federal investigation began.
Prosecutors estimate that Seigler took in $1.4 million in five months.
Federal postal inspectors seized a little more than $1 million from his credit union account, $153,000 in cash from his apartment and $44,000 from a gold bullion account he had established.
Seigler agreed to give the government that cash as well as three vehicles, a motorcycle and $7,000 in computer equipment and televisions.
The U.S. attorney’s office has said it will repay as many victims as possible with the proceeds.
Seigler’s attorney, John Fletcher, declined to comment after Thursday’s proceeding. Seigler did not return a call for comment and has not responded to repeated requests in the past for an interview.
The scam
Benjamin J. Seigler admits he scammed 4,000 investors by saying he was putting their money into a program called “Global Pension Plan†or “Global Pension Investment Trust.†Instead, he kept the money and piled up cash at his apartment.
The pitch
Seigler would use daily conference calls to reel in investors. “I had more gold chains than Mr. T had ,†he said in a March 5 call, as cited in the indictment. Authorities say Seigler took about $1.4 million from investors from October 2007 to March.
The plea
Seigler pleaded guilty Thursday to four counts of mail fraud. He faces up to 20 years in prison for each count. He will be sentenced in February. The government says it will repay as many victims as possible with $1.2 million it seized from Seigler.
Tim McGlone, (757) 446-2343, tim.mcglone@pilotonline.com
Comment by JH — 3rd October 2008 @ 7:00 pm
Its nice when you hear of some good coming out of things like this. People who betray or lie to others always get caught in the end.
Comment by VCJ — 3rd October 2008 @ 7:42 pm
At least he kept the money here in the USA, this gpp’s bank is in Nigiria!
Many scams come out of there, I cant tell you how many emails I get from some shmo in Nigeria telling me either that they want to give me money from some deceased person who has no relatives, or from the wife or husband from a deceased spouse who wishes to give ME their money! Imagine that, they want to give Lil’ ol’ me some money out of the “goodness” of their own heart. How touching! Almost as good as the emails I get that tell me I won the internation “lottery”, or the international “email” lottery.
Oh well. As they say, theres one born every minute (and that goes both ways : conartists and their prey).
Always go with your gut feeling……
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 3rd October 2008 @ 9:21 pm
duck,
how do you know gpp bank is in nigeria.
do you have confirmation of this or just a guess.
Comment by jacko — 4th October 2008 @ 12:09 pm
The bank was actually in Somalia – even less satisfactory!
Comment by Owen Platt — 4th October 2008 @ 3:24 pm
this blog seems to be dying off, just like gpp?
where have all the soothsayers gone like extan[s], mike check etc.
Comment by jacko — 6th October 2008 @ 3:12 pm
Guys How did everyone get buying into this????? Anyone had any dealings with telecom plus, or the utility wharehouse?????? Im wondering as I got 5 policies in Aug, and was told then 50,000 had been paid! and they was upto around 96k. The payout date would be 15 Spet. But nothing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Boneless Chicken Dinner — 7th October 2008 @ 7:30 pm
Eh, Nigeria, Angola, Somalia……what ever! The research I did was many moons ago, and I dont remember all the details.
It wasnt worth continuing the research, they have it made, they cant get into trouble for taking peoples money (unless someone finds a loope hole), and all the money they have taken has made them rich.
And they are continuing to do so, because there are many more people trying to either get rich quick, or desperate enough to take a chance. They will never run out of people willing to give up their cash.
I wouldnt be at all upset if someone wants to give me some money! Anybody? Anyone?! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 7th October 2008 @ 8:04 pm
Hey ‘If it Walks Like a Duck’ – I’ll give you some money! The deal is I will give you half a million if GPP ever truly pay out! ‘Course, I’m lying really, but then some mug will believe me, surely? I suspect that GPP had 100,000 people drawn in a long, long time ago – after all, this has been going on for so long now and 100,000 is really not so many people on a Worldwide basis (I reckon more like 100,000 in virually all the countries this is on offer) – all this pushing, demanding and insisting on extra policies being sold are GPP just squeezing every drop they can – you know, this may just go on to infinity? Or as someone else observed, until their site expires?
For goodness sake people – contact the media and authorities NOW – if enough people do this, action surely HAS to be taken.
Comment by Cynic — 8th October 2008 @ 12:31 pm
there’s some funny stuff on the site of one known GPP scammer, Matti Kärsämä. Here’s the link: http://www.financia4us.com/index.asp?action=page&name=1
For those of you, who don’t understand Finnish, here’s the translation:
“If you have ever given your password to somebody, and you haven’t changed it since, CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD. Authorities most certainly know it, so they can access your account when ever.
For the same reason, when you reveice your money, you should pay taxes
for at least one policy, because your participation is known to authorities.”
This is just priceless stuff. Few questions come to mind,like where would Matti get that idea about authorities knowing peoples passwords?
Interesting indeed, the plot thickens…
Comment by Rokka — 11th October 2008 @ 9:00 pm
Rokka: I even loved the part about paying taxes on at least one policy, but I guess it is OK to not pay taxes on more than one. ROFLOL! Of course no-one is going to have to worry about paying taxes, except maybe Stella and gang, as they will be the only ones who made any money in all of this scam.
Just an observation, but most of the cheerleaders have gone underground of late. Makes me wonder if GPP is about ready to make a run of it; and they don’t want to be around for all the heat.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th October 2008 @ 7:21 am
Eagleone: Like I said, this stuff is just priceless. The idea that Finnish authorities authorities already know peoples passwords and can check accounts, is very interesting. This way police could track down sponsors with the biggest downlines. I’m guessing that Matti is already starting to feel the heat. It’s also funny to read Mattis financial advices, guy surely doesn’t know anything about taxation. But maybe it’s just because of his line of “work”. Just my guess that, he’s not filing the money he scammed in GPP and other “business ventures”, under “other incomes”.
It’s sad to see that people are still fallin’ for this BS, it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain, that GPP is only meant to make few people rich and it just won’t work the way that was told by “stelliar” and sponsors…
Comment by Rokka — 15th October 2008 @ 3:19 pm
Rokka: Interesting stuff. Wonder how late Steala’s update will be? Anyone want to guess how many days it will be late?
Comment by EagleOne — 16th October 2008 @ 6:27 am
I can say that I have a number of these policies taken out in my name by my mother. I know the name of the person either running the GPP or at least fairly high up in the heirachy. (No i’m not going to reveal his name.)
I’ve also been on the internet long enough to realise that no one will believe me on this. I know the 100,000 members are expected to be on board by 19th of October 2008. (3 days time)
Apparantly once the 100,000 people are onboard it’ll be a couple of months until payout, I’ll happily post another comment then to let you know if I’m any richer. :p
Comment by Aphelion — 16th October 2008 @ 9:58 am
Just waiting for GPP to pay out!
Comment by EXTAN — 17th October 2008 @ 9:36 am
EXTAN: Welcome back. How is the mountain climbing, bike riding, computer repair, systems analyst, math whiz, personal surgeon, and oil and gas tycoon doing these days? I hope I didn’t leave anything out. But if you are waiting for GPP to pay, you have a very, very, very, very long wait.
Things must not be going good in the receipt of documents and the selling of the additional policies. All of a sudden we have this rash of posts being made saying how this is the real deal. The person posting always knows someone “high up” in the food chain for GPP, but of course they cannot tell who this person is.
Aphelion, you have to come up with a better story than this. Why the Hawaiianmillionaire claims to know Billionaires that are behind this. Kind of makes your story pale in comparison. Of course if there were any billionaires they would have bought up all the policies themselves and made over $11 Billion dollars. Now aren’t you glad they weren’t greedy and allowed all the “little people” to have a shot at a mere $55,000. Mighty big of them don’t you think?
Wonder what the story will be from you two when this doesn’t happen?
Comment by EagleOne — 17th October 2008 @ 6:02 pm
By the way, Aphelion, tell Roger Karlsson, Tom Sornes or Peter Roor I said Hi!
Comment by EagleOne — 17th October 2008 @ 9:18 pm
I WONDER IF SOME OF YOU OUT THERE COULD GIVE ME SOME ANSWERS, I’VE BEEN WATCHING THIS BLOG FOR A WHILE, PARTLY BECAUSE MY PARTNER HAS BEEN GIVEN SOME POLICIES AND PARTLY OUT OF CURIOSITY, QUESTIONS ! I WAS INFORMED THAT THE GPP WEB SITE WAS DUE TO EXPIRE ON THE 17th HOW DID YOU KNOW THAT AND WHY IS IT STILL UP AND RUNNING ? “EAGLEONE” HOW DO YOU KNOW SO MANY NAMES AND WHERE ELSE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO WHATS THIS ABOUT THE HAWAIN PLEASE FEEL FREE TO SHARE, I NEVER GET BORED WITH FACTS AND YOUR RANTS WITH THE “EXTANS”
Comment by MARCO — 18th October 2008 @ 4:28 pm
Isn’t this getting interesting? Matti Karsama is starting to sweat. I wonder if he got Mikka’s permission to post that? Maybe he’s worried about what the Finnish Feds are finding on his hard-drive.
Jacko- First Oceanic Bank was in Mogadishu, Somalia. Then, there’s the Angolan connection, but your money could be anywhere. Maybe the 3 latvian ladies have stuffed it in the mattress.
Course, avant-garde jewellers abound in Europe, so Matti needed a second ‘job’, to help his bottom line and maybe buy another rental cottage in Sweden. I’m sure the Finns are doing their best to get Matti to cough up the names/locations of the “stellas”.
Comment by zippy — 18th October 2008 @ 11:36 pm
Marco: In regard to your question as to where I get my information, it comes from a wide variety of sources. Some from public forums, and some from other sources. Just Google a couple of names of people promoting GPP, and you will be amazed at how much pops up.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th October 2008 @ 6:35 pm
Thought you all would like this observation that was made regarding “Stella:”
The last time Stella logged on to the GPP website with her credentials was on Mon April 21, 2008. You can see it in the column, Author, when you are in the GPP forum, doesn’t matter if you log on or use the “shortcut” to get to the forum:
http://www.globalpp.net/members/secret/000…_0000/index.php
Since that date, Stella has never logged on and posted anything. Now we can see that it’s always a person with “username” Admin that posts and signs it with Stella. (see the Author column); and the Admin account is member no 1820.
In 2007 before the “first deadline” Stella always logged on as Stella with “her” signature. After that there was a period of time when both of them logged on and posted and now since April it’s only the Admin that is posing as Stella. Might explain the different writing styles and language changes. Hmmm, the plot thickens.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th October 2008 @ 6:48 pm
Hi all:
Ok folks, I got an email a few minutes ago from my “contact” person at GPP. By contact person I mean the psycho that I was unlucky enough to deal with for my friend who purchased one of these useless pieces of paper for a payout that will never come. Im sorry, I mean a GPP policy.
He forwarded this to me and a few other people:
****************************************************
Negative Opinions ABOUND but here’s a +!
Hello Everyone!
Here is an encouraging opinion from an unknown forum, one of our RPP members sent it to me and wishes to remain anonymous! Remember this is an opinion and has not come from the GPP or Imperia Invest Leadership! My prayer is that this information is real and the person providing it really is in the know! Great success in all that we do in His name!
Gary
QUOTE (m @ Oct 16 2008, 12:35 PM)
I agree at 100% your comment.
If those people are real scammers, they surely wouldn’t stick around like they do now.
I mean, the more longer they stick, the more risky it could be for any scammers. I think Imperia cares about his reputation, and maybe they are more to loose than we might think.
QUOTE (m @ Oct 16 2008, 04:12 PM)
i think they are just waiting for more money. until they reach 95%
This is for anybody currently involved with Imperia Invest IBC
First of all I am not admin for any of these programs but I will say one thing…
I personally know a few of the gentlemen who are in charge of Imperia Invest IBC along with GPP and these guys are for real. These 2 programs will be 100,000+ people’s fundraiser of the year! Think about it…would it be worth it for a group of billionaires to make only half a million dollars in a few years. I am not going to go into any further detail but everybody in this forum MARK THESE WORDS!
GPP & IMPERIA INVEST IBC ARE BOTH RUN BY A GROUP OF BILLIONAIRES AND THEY ARE GOING TO PAY OUT…THE ONLY THING THEY ASK OF US MEMBERS IS TO BE PATIENT.
Remember what the private forum says: “whatever you hear outside of the forum is not trueâ€Â. Not true in every case…I frequently receive updates to my own email about important updates pertaining to GPP. If any of you have policies with Imperia Invest IBC or with GPP I highly recommend you figure out what you will do with your money and how you are going to protect your money.
I personally own 272 (about $40,000,000 usd) policies for GPP and currently have only 4 policies with Imperia Invest IBC…
PlatinumProsperityGroup.com
Panamalaw.org
excellent sites to study up on entity selection and the benefits of establishing yourself offshore (outside USA)
**If you have posted negative things about GPP or Imperia Invest IBC I feel very sorry for you because lots and lots of people are going to be paid from this program. Also, when you post all the ways possible on how these programs can’t work…you are actually telling everybody on these forums that YOU don’t know how to do these things. I personally find it funny how some people know all the ways something CAN’T work but do not know even 1 single way how it could work…
Sorry if I wasn’t supposed to post about GPP in the Imperia forum but I thought members might be interested.
European laws will be changing January 2009 so do not worry…your money will be in your international bank account with access to anonymous debit cards by the end of the year. DON’T LET ANYBODY TELL YOU OTHERWISE!
*PLEASE DO NOT ASK ME FOR ANY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT INDIVIDUALS INVOLVED WITH ANY OF THESE 2 PROGRAMS AS I WILL NOT RESPOND!**
Tags: Global PP, How to
*****************************************************************
*****Any thoughts about the email I recieved?! Sounds to me like it was a strategically placed “random” (cough cough) conversation. They dont want people to start panicing so they sent out a reassurance message, right? Just my opinion….
I like the part of what they do in “his name”, like they are religious do-gooders (not), and then theres the part about the group of billionaires that run the whole thing (I believe that part, cuz its all of the money they have been scamming from people! of course they are billionaires! tee hee )
Let me know whatcha think ya-all?!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 20th October 2008 @ 10:40 pm
P.S. Is that an unconfirmed third payout date? By the end of the year? First February, then Sept or Oct (not that it matters, it didnt happen) and now by the end of the year. Hmmm, that surely would be a Merry Merry wouldnt it! But me tinks dis be bullshit, mon (my Jamaican alter ego…) lol
Ok, that was my only additional thought to my unbelievably long previous post.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 20th October 2008 @ 11:48 pm
This is Terry, aka thehawaiianmillionaire posting this on several forums. Guess the documents are coming in fast enough and not enough additional policies are being bought. Chico/Lennie, a major pimp of GPP, said no more policies are being sold. Terry comes along and says more policies can be bought. ROFLOL. They can’t keep their stories straight.
Comment by EagleOne — 21st October 2008 @ 5:54 am
Sorry, but I meant to say: Guess the documents “aren’t” coming in fast enough.
Comment by EagleOne — 21st October 2008 @ 5:55 am
It’s funny that in many forums these cheerleaders see it as a good thing, that police can not find the people behind GPP. Investigation of GPP has started in april here in Finland, and still no news about the identity of the scammers. And to true believers(with twisted logic)this proves that GPP is legit, just priceless…
Let’s put it this way:
Imagine one day that the bank that you use for everyday life, dissappears. Police can’t find any of the bosses of the bank, since they dissappeared with peoples money to some faraway location. If after six months police is still unable to find them, would you still believe that everything is ok, if police didn’t arrest anybody??
I’m not at all surpised that some religious people are involved, since like religion, GPP is a matter of blind faith. Logic surely has nothing to do with it…
Comment by Rokka — 21st October 2008 @ 6:18 am
What did that email mean by the European laws are changing? Changing from what to what???? Anybody know?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 21st October 2008 @ 3:15 pm
Germany will get a new tax for interest income in Jan/2009. It’s called “Abgeltungssteuer” and it’s about 25%.
Comment by Socke — 22nd October 2008 @ 11:45 am
…I reckon it’s like your flat rate withholding tax…
Comment by Socke — 22nd October 2008 @ 12:30 pm
Oh Ye of little faith. The Lord will provide. He moves in mysterious ways. Trust in the Lord, he will not forsake or fail You.
This is what I’ve always believed in all things in my life, and GPP.
Stop condemming, start believing. Believe in yourself, believe in the future, and above all – have trust.
Maybe GPP won’t materialise, who knows? But it’d be ever so nice if it did – so much money would come through for Charity organisations.
I’m neither gullible or sad, EagleOne, I’m at peace with the world. The Lord’s love surrounds and protects us all.
Believe, have faith, have trust. Enjoy Life and, be true to yourself.
Take a moment for yourself, chill (or as we Greekofiles say – “siga, siga”).
I’ll probably be as poor tomorrow as I am today – financially – but I have unconditional faith in our Lord, and His Blessings.
More than likely the last thing EagleOne, Zippy, Marco, bams, mred & Rokka want to hear – but think about it, and be at Peace with yourselves.
Comment by Sarah Smith — 26th October 2008 @ 1:43 am
“A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.” – Friedrich Nietzsche
Comment by Rokka — 27th October 2008 @ 9:48 am
I do trust in the Lord, it is GPP that I don’t have any trust in because they are a scam. Nothing to trust. I am a very happy and content person. Has nothing to do with believing in or not believing in GPP. In fact I am very happy that I have been able to be one of many who have exposed this scam, and I feel honored to be in this company of individuals.
Comment by EagleOne — 27th October 2008 @ 8:20 pm
Hey buddies… what are you guys worring of actually? You all are from US while I’m from MY and the money that I pay is 3.5 times greater that you guys are paying. Why some of you keep talking on the negative issues while others are patiently waiting for the latest forum from Stella.
To eagleone: I’m a happy go lucky person as well, I have joined many of these programs and I have lost more than 20k of my currency so who should I blame? For me what I believe is for sure one day I will get back what I’ve lost just a matter of time.
Whether it is true or scam the time will proves. No point of making tonnes of non-proof statements here.
Comment by marc_xen — 28th October 2008 @ 3:23 am
That’s ok Sarah, I live in my own little world, but that is ok, I know everyone there. And there GPP does not exist.
Comment by Mred — 28th October 2008 @ 5:26 am
“I have joined many of these programs and I have lost more than 20k of my currency so who should I blame? For me what I believe is for sure one day I will get back what I’ve lost just a matter of time.”
*shaking head* lol
Comment by JH — 29th October 2008 @ 5:24 am
Comment by marc_xen: “For me what I believe is for sure one day I will get back what I’ve lost just a matter of time.”
And it’s people like these, that scammers like “stella” rely on,
Persons who got scammed before, and just can’t take the hint.
Comment by Rokka — 31st October 2008 @ 11:17 am
Well, things have not gone well with the sending in of the documents. Only 72.6% have been received. But they have lowered the price to buy more policies….AGAIN. So much for the special update that everyone got all excited about that was going to be this great news that all the docs had been received, and they were proceeding to payout. Think someone was blowing smoke up someone’s behind. LOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 31st October 2008 @ 11:42 pm
Does anyone remember this gem from Stella last December?:
“”Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 11:30 pm Post subject: Merry Christmas! (& update) Reply with quote
Dear Members,
Merry Christmas!
This is our third and last Christmas together. It’s been a very long and bumby journey to get here. I hope most of you have enjoyed the challenge the program has offered and I’m 100 per cent sure the soon-to-be-achieved rewards will make you feel like the Christmas is always present.
GPP support will also have a little rest during the Christmas. I will continue taking care of the issues on the 26th of December again.
Regards,
Stella”
Of course this was in reference to the big payout happening starting in mid-February of this year which never happened. Hmm, Christmas is fast approaching and here we are with another Christmas with Stella. So much for Stella not lying.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd November 2008 @ 7:31 am
One of these finnish ” big sponsors”(read scammers), Matti Kärsämä,has been busy browsing one of the biggest finnish forum, Suomi24. This site actually has a forum dedicated to multilevel marketing, and Matti has been quick to to contact adminstrators, if his name is mentioned together with GPP. And usually these topics regarding GPP are quickly removed. If GPP is legit, what does Matti have to hide, one might ask?
And remember when Matti was warning people on his website, http://www.financia4us.com , that GPP members should change their passwords because authorities most likely know them too?
Now he changed the word “authorities” to word “others”. Interesting indeed…
Comment by Rokka — 3rd November 2008 @ 8:44 am
And I repeat from a previous GPP Website:
“GPP has set a deadline of August 31, 2007, and then will process paperwork for whatever number of menbers they end up with, be it 60,000 or 90,000 or whatever”
I think 72,000 falls somewhere between those figures stated in the post from the website.
Comment by mred — 4th November 2008 @ 11:10 am
Now the Russian, Swedish and German Forums have disappeared at GPP. Getting ready to make a run for it? Kind of looks that way. Don’t be surprised if within 2 weeks they disappear completely. I think the Finn’s are getting too close for comfort for GPP, and it is time to pull the plug before they think they have been found out.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th November 2008 @ 11:50 pm
Spoke too soon. Now the entire forum has disappeared. Kind of makes you wonder how Stella will provide any updates since the forum has been taken down. Maybe she is doing Spring cleaning in November since she was on the road searching for the banking solution last Spring. Anyone want to place bets on when the entire site goes down?
Comment by EagleOne — 6th November 2008 @ 2:20 am
I’ll take up ur challenge EagleOne…since u r so confident that the site will be taken down. So when is your opinion that the site will be down?
Comment by marc_xen — 6th November 2008 @ 6:04 am
So what’s your date you think GPP site will totally disappear and the jig will be up? How much do you want to bet on your date being right? Or are you one of those who believes this will payout?
Comment by EagleOne — 7th November 2008 @ 2:49 am
Last post on GPP site (Im a member)
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5th of November, 2008
WARNING
Dear Members,
The following email has nothing to do with real GPP, so please be aware!
Regards,
Stella
======================================= Dear Global Pension Members,
After having discussion with the bank and e-currency, we tried to negotiate, and the bank agrees to withdraw money from our account for $75,000,000.00 up to $ 100,000,000.00 in every months.
Finally we attempt to find the best solution for all, which results as follow :
We will proceed the withdrawal process in 4 periods based on the Charity Fund Auction for the GPP foundation. 1. VVIP will be given on the End of September 2008
2. VIP will be given in the October – November
3. Standard will be given in the November – January 2009
4. Original will be given on the February 2009
Members who will become the primary VVIP are the members who give donation more than $ 700
Members who will become VIP are the members who give donation more than $ 500
Members who will become Standard are the members who give donation more than $ 100
Members who will become Original are the members who do not give any donation.
The funds from the donation will be used to the priority of social and charity activities.
The fund should be sent to our LR account based on the period (VVIP,VIP,standard, or original) that you choose with memo : Username VVIP/VIP/Standard
example: if you send fund for 1000, the memo will be written as follow:
MEMO : USERNAME VVIP
Here Our Liberty Reserve Account
Uxxxxxxx ( Global Pension VVIP )
Uxxxxxxx ( Global Pension VIP )
Uxxxxxxx ( Global Pension Standart )
After sending the fund, you should immediately send a confirmation to our email: global.member.support@ googlemail.com, as the following example :
username : xxxxxx (type your username)
Batch : xxxxxx
withdrawal to : – the complete details of your bank or – the complete details of you e-currency
Regards,
Stella
Comment by use2believe — 7th November 2008 @ 3:12 am
for me the payout is plausible….u r the 1 who say gpp will site disappear. So when do u think it will be gone forever? U figure it out how much u wanna bet and the date that the site will totally disappear??
Comment by marc_xen — 7th November 2008 @ 9:06 am
I say Stella’s vacating the kitchen since it’s getting too hot.
Comment by zippy — 7th November 2008 @ 1:49 pm
I think you have a better chance at being abducted by real Aliens than a GPP payout.
But go ahead and keep that hope alive! Just dont quit your day job.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 7th November 2008 @ 7:49 pm
If any of you true believers have something to ask about GPP, I could recommend you to contact member number 89, MattiK. He seems to be quite high on the food chain, you can find his contact details on his website:http://www.financia4us.com/index.asp?action=page&name=97
Surely Matti, as a legitimate businessman, doesn’t have anything against people contacting and asking about his “business opportunities”…
Comment by Rokka — 9th November 2008 @ 11:45 pm
About a year and a half ago my mum was invited to join GPP by a slightly mad friend of hers. She thought it sounded a bit dodgy, but was inclined to join (‘just in case’). She asked me my opinion. So I put the name into a search engine and that’s when I found this site. After reading a few hundred of your emails on it I came to the conclusion it was a certain scam and advised my mum to have nothing to do with it. She told her slightly mad friend she didn’t wish to participate. She was slightly offended because it kind of implied that my mum thought she was being silly. (In other words, there was a subtle pressure on my to participate once she’d been asked. Luckily they weren’t particularly close friends so it didn’t really matter – but would have been harder if they had been). After that I checked this forum occasionally for a month or two out of interest (just to see how long the house of cards took to fall down), but eventually gave up as the scam dragged on fro so long. For some reason this morning I decided to check again, fully expecting it to all be over. I was pretty amazed to see that it’s still going on. I’m even more amazed to see that some of the people who signed up for it a year and a half ago who posted positive comments telling us all to sign up and to ‘keep the faith’ are still willing to believe it’s not a scam! The pay out date was over a year ago and there have been so many more promised pay-out dates since, with every milestone missed. Surely you must see this for what it is now? Cut your emotional losses.
Comment by john — 19th November 2008 @ 11:23 am
Here’s the lastest and greatest from Stella:
20th of November, 2008
Deadline & General update
Dear GPP Members,
First of all, the most important figures of the week:
76.001 (or 76% from the required 100.000 sets of documents)
This means the last two weeks have brought in 3440 new sets of documents! These figures are highly encouraging! Extremely well done, thank you! If we now keep up the good work, we will without a doubt reach…
The Final Deadline: 31st of January 2009
During the last week and half we have been closely in touch with the insurance company and the financier of this project and agreed the final deadline to be set on the above mentioned date. The current turbulent financial climate has created a great pressure to finish the program as soon as possible. This date is absolute and means, that we MUST reach the initially set target of 100.000 qualified members. Otherwise the program closes without payout.
Hence, we keep the email address open for the incoming sets of documents (ID copy and the Membership Agreement), as well as the sign up form open for new sign ups.
We have absolutely no possibility to keep waiting for the documents only from the current members. That’s too unstable and dangerous for the success of GPP. At that point it doesn’t matter if we succeed because of the burst of new members, or the activation of the current ones. The only figure that matters right now is 23.999! That’s how many sets of documents are still to be delivered!
Some members have been confused and found it dramatic that our forum has been taken down and replaced by the simple message board. The reason for this action was the countless login problems when members trying to access the forum through the member area. We have absolutely no resources dealing with these minor issues, which are not taking us any closer to the payout. All possible resources have been tied up with the insurance company to check and cross-check the documents. Another reason for removing the actual discussion forum was the security and disinformation problems. Some outsiders had gained access there and were sabotazing our memberbase by publishing absolute rubbish causing confusion and panic.
Email support has been reduced to the lowest possible level because of the reasons mentioned above, i.e. all the resources has been concentraded on processing the documents.
Please note the decreased sign up fee of 20EUR!
We will keep you posted and updated!
Regards,
Stella
Now think about this: If on January 31, they only have 99,999 docs received this goes bust. Now let’s be honest, none of really know how many docs have been sent and received. All we have is Stella’s word for it. This from a person who has yet to meet any update deadline, and from GPP which has yet to meet any payout deadline they themselves set; and yet the faithful believe every word. Incredible.
They just told you this is not going to pay out. If you doubt me, re-read Stella’s post again.
Comment by EagleOne — 21st November 2008 @ 9:28 pm
EagleOne,
Thank you for posting that update, it’s extremely interesting.
As you correctly pointed out, Stella has just admitted that GPP is never going to pay out.
Worse still she is still trying to collect more money from the seemingly limitless number of suckers out there.
That’s it folks! We finally got the truth from “Stella”
Now PLEASE STOP sending “her” money and documents!
Comment by Ben — 21st November 2008 @ 10:47 pm
Ben,
If we can’t send Stella more money or documents, could I at least give her the finger?
LOL!!
Comment by Shmuck — 23rd November 2008 @ 5:48 am
How ridiculous of Stella to post such an update; why end it when she can get more gullible people to keep paying for something they’ll never see? She must be set for life; she must have invested in some kind of stable fund where she’s making a comfortable living and doesn’t want to deal with her web site anymore (if she’s half as smart as I think she is if she can string something like this along for over five long years)- it’s getting too tedious for her, etc. How much would you bet if she cancels to final deadline and extends it indefinitely again like before just so she has some spending money for the trip back from Tahiti or where she’s perpetually vacationing to and from? I thought indefinite meant just that? Well folks, she’s giving us the heads up that she’s sick of dealing with the gullible stupid people who decided to donate her more money. If anyone here believes this will actually pay, you need to get your head examined. I’ll be very happy to contact a proctologist for you.
Comment by Obviously Duh If You Did (ODIYD) — 24th November 2008 @ 5:54 am
Just over the weekend, my friend who had joined GPP was asking me to get a hold of the gpp contact guy she hooked me up with (I was helping her send in her documents as she doesnt have access to a computer or a fax machine, I was her middle man), she plans on SUING them! lol
I told her that you cant sue a company that doesnt exist. Never can get to the ONE.
So just for shitz and giggles I came on this website to see any updates, and looky thar! No payout per STella. Thats so sad its funny. I cant believe that she is claiming they still dont have enough “qualified” applicants to do the fantom payout. Whatta load of huiii.
So Im gonna take a stab at this one, they will be telling everyone in January sorry folks, didnt get enough people so we cant pay out.
I didnt see anything about refunding all of the faithful if they shouldnt be able to payout. What will they do with all the money if this is the FINAL payout date? (Yes of course Im being sarcastic, I know what they will do — presto, chango, DISSAPEARO!!)
Did I miss that part about getting refunds?? Please someone let me know what will happen after they keep people on pins and needles until Jan 31, 09….
thanks
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 24th November 2008 @ 8:59 pm
Wait, let me finish her thought for her….
“This means the last two weeks have brought in 3440 new sets of documents! These figures are highly encouraging! Extremely well done, thank you! If we now keep up the good work, we will without a doubt reach…” My personal goals for the next 20 years on all the money I got from you people…Thanks bunches! Suckers.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th November 2008 @ 9:20 pm
When you joined GPP, they made it very clear that your admin fee was nonrefundable. If they didn’t get the required 100,000, they got to keep all the money.
As to your question about what happens on 1/31? Well, they will announce that try as hard as they did, it was the member’s fault for not getting all 100,000 documents in so this could finish. They did everything they could to make sure it happened, but it was the members fault for not doing their part; thus why the program failed.
Of course you can only take Stella’s word on just how many docs were sent and received. It really makes no difference. They have no intention of paying, and therefore will announce they didn’t get the required 100,000 even if it is 99,999 docs. Nice excuse, but was told to you when you joined what would happen if they didn’t get their magic 100,000.
Comment by EagleOne — 25th November 2008 @ 2:28 am
For GPP members, a bank account will be established for you (for the purpose of payout), from which you can wire your desired amount of funds at any time. You will also receive an ATM card for purposes of withdrawing your funds. PWW will pay out using the same eBullion account you gave when you signed up.
GCPP members will receive payout directly to their bank account.
GPP has set a deadline of August 31st, 2007, and then will process paperwork for whatever number of members they end up with, be it 60,000 or 90,000 or whatever.
This was a post on one of the GPP websites back in 2007. Now they are going back on their word. SCAM from the beginning, never any intentions of a payout to members. Too bad so many animals out there just to steal whatever monies they can get their hands on.
I guess I still have the lotterys that I have won and the widows from Africa that want to give me their dead husband’s money. That ought to make me rich. LOL
Comment by Mred — 25th November 2008 @ 8:08 am
Just a casual check back on here – at last a few more people are seeing sense. I think the ones who still believe would be welcome at any off-the-wall religious group and the middle-men still pushing GPP would make excellent house callers for them or sellers of crap to cabbages.
I personally believe the magic 100,000 was reached at least a year ago – no-one except ‘Stella’ will ever actually know how many people REALLY sent their ‘admin’ money in, could even be half a million. It’s only the fools of this world that have meant that the date can keep being extended. It’s about time the trickle of money dried up totally.
i think a lot of friendships and acquaintances will already be going sour for the middle people who literally pushed this on their friends and families. Let’s just hope that the identity theft doesn’t come back to bite them all in a few years time – THAT WOULD BE THE WORST AND MOST FORSEABLE SCENARIO – so think on folks.
RIGHT – THINKING ABOUT THE NEXT SCAM STELLA ?????? WHY DON’T YOU USE THE NAME ‘FAITH’ NEXT TIME – IT’S A GOOD ONE!
Comment by Cynic — 25th November 2008 @ 2:32 pm
Will be interesting to see if the renew their domain on 12/13 won’t it!
Comment by EagleOne — 25th November 2008 @ 9:33 pm
interesting user statistics http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/globalpp.net 😀
Comment by Jev — 28th November 2008 @ 12:02 am
Something to think about. Last year, Stella said, that Christmas would be the last one everyone would share together. Payouts were to take place the first part of 08. Since we have all been told that Stella does not lie, repeatedly by the faithful and those in the “know,” it makes the renewal of the website on the 13th a very important date. So if Stella was not lying, that means that GPP will have to do a runner before Christmas, or she lied. Of course she las lied many times, but the faithful refuse to accept they were lies.
So this may not drag out until January. It sure is going to be interesting to see what does or doesn’t happen on the 13th of this month won’t it.
Also what is truly interesting is how all of the cheerleaders have now gone underground. Their absence should be quite telling don’t you think?
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd December 2008 @ 7:58 pm
Stella’s last update, where did you get that from? Just curious.
Comment by JustMe — 4th December 2008 @ 2:57 am
Hmmm guess nobody can answer that question.
Comment by JustMe — 7th December 2008 @ 6:56 pm
@justme
You can find the update if you scroll down at the message board.
Best regards,
Angie
Comment by Angie — 7th December 2008 @ 7:34 pm
I see that but where did the person get it from??
Comment by JustMe — 8th December 2008 @ 2:54 am
@JustMe
I don’t understand your question. EagleOne posted Stella’s update here at UK Biz Blog and originally it came from the new message board at the gpp website (and is signed by Stella).
Best regards,
Angie
Comment by Angie — 8th December 2008 @ 8:37 pm
This update is NOT on the gpp website message board. I just checked again.
Comment by JustMe — 9th December 2008 @ 1:27 am
JustMe: I don’t know where you are reading, but I just checked the forum again and the update is there. It was dated 11/5, and has 32 items listed. I just copied the portion that pertained to the new statement only the application form would be required, not a transfer of ownership form as previously stated. It is Item Number 5 on the list of the 32.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th December 2008 @ 2:41 am
@justme
I just checked as well and the update IS at the message board. You have to scroll down to the end of the board as mention already before.
Regards,
Angie
Comment by Angie — 10th December 2008 @ 2:17 pm
Please do not panic if the website is no longer attainable, it is a new website in preparation.
Comment by Angie — 13th December 2008 @ 9:11 pm
@ Rokka
Are there any news in the investigation of GPP in Finland ?
Any notes in Newspapers or so ?
How did this case develop ?
Thanks for reply
Comment by saleil — 14th December 2008 @ 5:26 am
Quote “Will be interesting to see if the renew their domain on 12/13 won’t it!
Comment by EagleOne – November 25, 2008 @ 9:33 pm”
OK, they did……… next!! lol
Comment by goldcard — 14th December 2008 @ 5:40 pm
Thanks Angie I found it.
Comment by JustMe — 14th December 2008 @ 6:37 pm
GPP is GONE for good …. million of dollars has beed sucked.
Comment by bodohwee — 14th December 2008 @ 7:13 pm
Oops, “steala” made a runner… Didn’t see that one coming 🙂
Comment by Rokka — 14th December 2008 @ 11:39 pm
“@ Rokka
Are there any news in the investigation of GPP in Finland ?
Any notes in Newspapers or so ?
How did this case develop ?
Thanks for reply
Comment by saleil – December 14, 2008 @ 5:26 am”
No news so far, so I guess that investigation is still ongoing. They made some house searches, but that’s all.
This “wincapita” forex scam is quite big news now here in Finland, and comparing to that, GPP is quite small. But when our media publishes something about internet scams, GPP is always mentioned.
If you have some more questions, you can always ask member 89, Matti Kärsämä, since he’s one of the biggest GPP promoters here in Finland, and quite high on the GPP food chain.
Here’s the contact details:
http://www.financia4us.com/index.asp?action=page&name=97
to all who participate in these kind of dodgy schemes, Matti is the guy to follow. When ever some program dissappears from his site, you just know they’re about to do a runner, or are being investigated…
Comment by Rokka — 15th December 2008 @ 1:13 am
GPP site will be back in 2 days as https – site!
Comment by Angie — 15th December 2008 @ 1:56 pm
Errrr, am I being as thick as the believers or have I missed something. I tried the ‘net’ site – nothing other than links to E-bay and such like; so I followed Angie’s advice and tried it as a https link. Rien!
Comment by Cynic — 15th December 2008 @ 3:12 pm
Yes, I’m being thick, I missed the ‘two days’ bit in her message. OK – we’ll see
Comment by Cynic — 15th December 2008 @ 3:13 pm
who says website will be back in 2 days!
Comment by jacko — 15th December 2008 @ 4:56 pm
Tell me – how does Angie know? Is she Stella?
Comment by Owen Platt — 15th December 2008 @ 6:03 pm
BEN CAN YOU SHOW THIS ??
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Comment by MARCO — 15th December 2008 @ 6:24 pm
“GPP site will be back in 2 days as https – site!
Comment by Angie – December 15, 2008 @ 1:56 pm”
Angie, I’m very dissappointed.Come on, public demands better cheerleaders! 🙂
Where’s the name calling, conspiracy theories etc.?
What happened to the line:”don’t listen to the naysayers, just stay positive”?
Even if “steala” would manage to get the website up and runnin’, it still doesn’t prove anything. Just shows that she/he had five bucks to spend from the millions made in this scam…
Comment by Rokka — 15th December 2008 @ 11:33 pm
This a riot. After 3 years and countless security breaches, they finally get around to having a secure site. And of course the gullible believe this means it is real and they will pay out after all the docs are received. Going to be a lot of disappointed people come the end of January when they announce it is all the members fault they didn’t reach the 100,000 doc level needed.
Want to know how you can tell this is a scam? When chico/Lennie, the pimp, stops posting they are ready to do a runner. He tries to distance himself as much as possible from when he stops posting until the make a runner. This way in a couple of months when he is pimping his next scam, he can claim he was “shocked” mind you it didn’t pay out even after all his saying it would.
So wonder what the next great scam the Trust and Stella have dreamed up for the gullible’s to jump on next that will make them rich for a pittance amount of money with grandiose payout? Now when I say make them rich, I mean Stella and the Trust. The people joining won’t make a dime.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th December 2008 @ 4:39 am
You’re absolutely right EagleOne. The whole world knows GPP is a SCAM
They already GONE wake up people.
Comment by bodohwee — 17th December 2008 @ 9:53 am
IF YOU NOTICE ON THE POST I PUT ON EARLIER (1459), THEY “STELLA & CO” ARE ENTWINED WITH ABOUT THREE OR FOUR OTHER PENSION PLANS “YARDIS” BEING THE BIGGEST I CAN MAKE OUT, NO WONDER THEN THAT THEY ARE ALWAYS TO BUSY TO POST UPDATES.
Comment by MARCO — 17th December 2008 @ 3:46 pm
Intresting post from JudahLion Network.
“Operation GPP Storm” begin.
Hi Judahlion,
Do you hv any information (bk off) abt GPP? Im from Thai and I personally hv 5 policy and 20 more fr family members. We hv been waited for 3 long yrs and still waiting in the dark ………All we heard from is to be “PATIENT,PATIENTâ€â€¦AND MORE PATIENT………..
We are stupid enough to believe that GPP site is under renewal and will up again in 2-3 days?? This is totally misleading and all BS..I wish I’m wrong but the fact is that we’ve been scammed …totally scammed
I’m with the Thai police force and connected to commercial crime division and I was shocked when I received instruction to begin investigation all HYPT internet investment scheme. Those include ImperialInvestment/GPP/WPP and few others around the internet. In the US/UK/Swee/Austria/Fin & Asia Sin/Mal/Ch/Hk had joint investigation and the Interpol is also begin operation, the authorities has so far picked up some lead promoter fr GPP/WPP/Imperial in the european countries for questioning. Believe it or not within the next 48hrs news will surface around the world. Stella & Co who ever the hell is he (she) will not get far.
I now believed that GPP is a BIG TIME SCAMMMER who sucked only from the poor. But God will not allow them to walk that easily.
Comment by salah | December 17, 2008
Comment by bodohwee — 17th December 2008 @ 5:49 pm
At least two of the persons behind WPP and Yardis/Yarfin appear to be:
David McCartney (macad613@mysoul.com.au)
+61.267326454
Fax: +61.267326454
20 Pitt Street
Glen Innes, NSW 2370
AU
and
Javed Akram
6 Redburn Rd, Shipley
Bradford, WEST YORKSHIRE BD18 3BD
UNITED KINGDOM
Alternately:
131 Thornbury Avenue
Bradford, WEST Yorks BD3 8HZ
UNITED KINGDOM
+1.1274667326
+44.1274667326
+44.1274597721
akramjaved@aol.com
rajgan2001@yahoo.co.uk
I know Ben doesn’t like links to the shady HYIP forums so I won’t post them directly but if you search Google using the terms for “David McCartney” and “Javed Akram” and WPP or Yardis, then you should find several posts that I made detailing this association.
Comment by JH — 17th December 2008 @ 8:18 pm
This one’s dedicated to our GPP cheerleader, Angie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-21QK9F1NWc
“Angie, Angie, when will those clouds all disappear?
Angie, Angie, where will it lead us from here?
With no loving in our souls and no money in our coats
You can’t say we’re satisfied”
(lyrics by M.jagger/K.Richards, Performed by Rolling stones)
Suits quite nicely to the current situation, doesn’t it? 🙂
To Eagleone,
I think the current GPP website is the most secure so far, now there’s no chance for the gullible to buy more phony “insurance policies”.
Read some funny comments from judahlions network weblog regarding the GPP website gone MIA :
“I have heard that this type of glich has happen to GPP before and that they probably are aware of it and are fixing the problem. This might even give us an extenion repreave.
Keep the faith
Daisy”
“I tried several times to go onto GPP website so that I may purchase more contracts but I was not able to. I tried your link that you posted but no such luck.”
“Thank you so much for the information. I love that you try to keep us as informed as your are. Keeping the faith.
Amy”
It’s not even funny, just plain sad… Interesting to see how much people are willing to fool themselves, ’cause they don’t want to see the truth. Denial is a bitch, ain’t it…?
Comment by Rokka — 18th December 2008 @ 1:24 am
Rokka: Even though P.T. Barnum was contributed with the famous quote, but didn’t say it, “There’s a sucker born every minute,” it is still true no matter who said it. What really sucks is those who play on these type of people’s ignorance, emotions, trust and hope without any guilt on their part. They truly are sociopaths.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th December 2008 @ 6:40 am
GPP site up again with NO Posting from Stella
Comment by bodohwee — 18th December 2008 @ 6:17 pm
Hi, bodohwee
You stated that GPP was back online…What is the address because I tried the old one and still can’t find…
Thanks
Ron See
Comment by Ron — 19th December 2008 @ 3:25 am
Hi Ron,
use this URL: http://www.globalpp.tv/invalidReferrer.php
Regards
snartmor
Comment by snartmor — 19th December 2008 @ 12:07 pm
Hi Ron,
this is a very interesting comment from teamthemco:
quote
The new website that we are waiting for Stella to ratify, appears to have been reported as a phishing exercise by some well meaning person OR OTHERWISE.
Trying to access the site from Google Chrome throws up the following statement :
†WARNING : Suspect “phishing†site!
The website at http://www.globalpp.tv has been reported as aâ€phishing†site.
Phishing sites trick users into disclosing personal and financial information, often by pretending to represent trusted institutions such as banks.
Learn more about phishing scams
Proceed anyway Back to safety (Buttons)
Report an error “
WE CONTINUE TO RECOMMEND THAT READERS DO NOT TO USE THE NEW WEBSITE, UNTIL WE HEAR FROM STELLA THAT IT IS OK TO DO SO. SEE YESTERDAY’S POST
Unquote
You better be careful.
Regards
snartmor
Comment by snartmor — 19th December 2008 @ 12:10 pm
Where did all the EXTAN’s go? All his ‘inside’ knowledge wasn’t so ‘inside’ after all. Kind of like thehawaiimillionaire had all this ‘inside’ information, and not one of his predictions came true either just like the EXTAN’s.
Actually I miss all their latest exploits commentary. I would have thought by now they would have mastered ship building, set a world land speed record and have become an astronaut.
Comment by EagleOne — 22nd December 2008 @ 6:19 pm
You have to read todays post from teamthemco! they have used a points system (plus or minus points) to see if gpp is real!
Is this terry for real? well, he’s convinced me, NOT!!!
[Addition by Ben: I always wonder why, if they are so sure that GPP is legit, “teamthemco” don’t allow comments on their blog]
Comment by Blade68 — 22nd December 2008 @ 6:28 pm
I agree Ben. Some time ago i emailed Terry and voiced a number of concerns about gpp, This was the email and reply:
On 15/03/2008, daryl [removed] wrote:
Hi, as you have probably noticed there has not been a post on gpp’s site for 9 days, and the last few insane ramblings dont count anyway! Most of us feel that the scam has come to an end now, just wondering how you stand? have you had any kind of contact with them recently?
Have you been on this site? http://www.bizoppsblog.com its very interesting, and there are alot of people ready to take action. Cheers Daryl
——————————————————————————–
Hi Daryl
What we know we post on our blogs.
We remain positive and have absolutely no time for the bizoppsblog. Just ask them to give you proof on anything they say. It is all conjecture and heresay.
ATB
Terry
Themco
So i am to ask you for proof but he didn’t answer my question or provide any kind of proof for gpp!
Comment by Blade68 — 22nd December 2008 @ 8:08 pm
Hi Daryl,
This blog is an open forum for anybody to post their opinions (and Stella’s updates!). I hope GPP works out for everybody who has invested but I think we all know (including teamthemco) that there is not going to be an end or a payout.
There is just going to be a continuation of the lies and delays from “Stella”.
http://www.bizoppsblog.com/268/the-global-pension-plan-stellas-updates/
Comment by Ben — 22nd December 2008 @ 9:49 pm
“Stella” has finally decided to drop this scam on January 31,,2009. She will until then to get the “23000+” missing documents and if they are not forthcoming she will close the program without payout. At least then those who have been scammed will know for sure that the money is gone.
That was in her most recent post. The “perfect” crime will have been committed. Fortunately, “she” will not get far. Divine providence has a way of punishing miscreants. Oh well.
Comment by Hinda Gibbs — 29th December 2008 @ 6:03 am
Well – very intersting posts, I admit. Somehow I can’t help but believing in a scam. If the stakes are set so high it is most likely that it simply cannot work out. How can one get 100’000 people to submit the required forms correctly? NOT ONE of my friends and “co-applicants” were able to produce a JPEG-format form. I had to do it for them. In addition I find it simply ridiculous to fill out a form in capital letters only. One more hurdle? Should one make a mistake there – you’re out – or what??? And don’t anybody tell me that the “scanner” can read capital letters only. For me it is no surprise that if someone organises a “scam” one should involve as many people as possible to make sure that a lot of “mistakes” occur. Good luck to all of you! Albert
Comment by Albert F. Hoeffleur — 29th December 2008 @ 5:46 pm
Let’s do a little recap. The website domain was renewed, and then all of a sudden there was this new domain name with .tv instead of .net. Hmmm, has anyone figured out why the dual domain names yet? Let me see if I can give you a clue. Almost everyone has recognized the change in Stella’s writing style with the new .tv domain name. What they haven’t figured out yet is why go to this new domain name if this is all going to end with the ‘payouts?’ Answer: They may have already disappeared, and the .tv domain name is just cover for them with the members to make them wait unitl the end of January before they figure out they are gone.
Notice how all the major promoter’s of this have suddenly disappeared on all the GPP forums? Doesn’t it make you wonder why? Doesn’t it make sense Stella and the gang have disappeared, and the promoter’s know it so they too have disappeared for now?
Guess Stella’s prediction last Christmas would the last one for all of the members, her and the trust to celebrate after all. Face it folks this is over. You don’t have to wait until the end of January to find out either.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th December 2008 @ 8:52 pm
I want to wish each and every one of you a very Happy and Propserous 2009. All the best in 09.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd January 2009 @ 4:52 am
Well, well. The super secure new .tv website is down. Hmmmm, wonder why? ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd January 2009 @ 8:05 pm
The website is back up and operational again. Guess Stella remembered to pay the bill. Members are disappointed there was no update by Stella, or even a New Year’s wish. Of course it is hard to get off the beach in Tahiti this time of year.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th January 2009 @ 4:47 am
Stella does not publish regular letters as well as to get members send in their documents, that’s why GPP is falling apart!
Comment by extan — 4th January 2009 @ 7:08 pm
Since I know some here where involved with Ben Seigler… I tried to post the link to the form and more information but the blog doesn’t seem to like it for whatever reason. For more info, contact (757) 441-3352 or email at Darica.Fenner@usdoj.gov
U.S. Department of Justice
United States Attorney
Eastern District of Virginia
Important Notice: Victim Verification of Financial Loss
Re: United States v. Benjamin J. Seigler (2:08CR82)
To: Purchasers of Contract(s) from Benjamin J. Seigler
You have been identified as a potential victim in the above-referenced case and you may be able to receive restitution from the defendant. You must provide the information requested below. This
information must be mailed to the United States Attorney’s Office and postmarked no later than January 15, 2009.
[Addition by Ben: Here’s the link, thanks to JH:
http://www.crowleybiz.com/files/restitutionform.pdf
]
Comment by JH — 5th January 2009 @ 4:44 pm
Well, look who’s back. None other than extan. Appreciate the information, but we already know all that. But wait, aren’t these “professionals” running GPP? They have to be because Stella told us they were. ROFLOL!
Now Stella has added insurance verifier to her resume. Yep, she has spent the last few weeks at the insurance company behind a desk, no less, going over all the documents received. Almost fell off my chair laughing at that one, but the sad part is many members will believe her story.
Also, they need 20,000 more docs between now and the end of the month. Plus, according to her, she had to send back 5,000 to be re-sent. So they really need 25,000 in 4 weeks to complete the deal. Let’s break this down. If you don’t count Sunday’s, they need 1,000 docs per day received to make the 100,000. Now do you really believe they will?
Of course none of us know the actual number of docs received, just like they won’t tell the total number of members or policies bought. So the next line will be opps, missed the 100,000 by that much (holding my fingers apart by 1/8″), and it is all the members fault this failed. It’s over folks.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th January 2009 @ 8:05 pm
Here’s Stella’s latest bunch of excuses from the GPP site (thanks to Terry for sending me the update):
—-
—-
What a surprise – you can still buy policies! Anyone still believe they are going to get a payout?
http://www.bizoppsblog.com/268/the-global-pension-plan-stellas-updates/
Comment by Ben — 5th January 2009 @ 8:59 pm
Hi Ben:
The form is here:
http://www.crowleybiz.com/files/restitutionform.pdf
I have nothing to do with the site where it’s posted and have no other background on it. I just happened to see it posted elsewhere. Looks to be legit as far as I can tell though. It’s not asking for information to be sent other than to the Justice Dept., the e-mail and phone check out, and document properties for the PDF file show DFenner as the author which matches the phone and e-mail.
From the reports it sounded like Seigler hadn’t spent much of the money so maybe people can get a good percentage back this time.
[Edit by Ben: Thanks JH!]
Comment by JH — 5th January 2009 @ 9:00 pm
20,000 pieces short!?? Mathamatically impossible considering the years they have been around and the “extended time” to buy, and the multiple policy buyers, etc. I may not be too bright, but that just doesnt seem to add up, ya know?
Yikes. One load of hueee after another. Ya stealla, you sit at your table and work hard for everyone involved.
Well, maybe it will pay out. Or maybe….monkeys will fly out of my butt. lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 6th January 2009 @ 10:54 pm
I do hope GPP pays out. It is highly unlikely that there is one group of people in the world with that much money,but who knows.For the price of a lottery ticket, I took the chance! I was just curious as to what some of the naysayers on this board do for a living everyday. As it seems that they keep up with every move with GPP, you would think they must already have found their “little pot of gold” as they seem to be on this website posting every minute something seems to happen at GPP. You must live on the website 24/7 in order to keep up with it that thoroughly! Evidently, you don’t have to work, so you must have already hit pay dirt. How about sharing with us unfortunate have-nots how you made it! Hypocrisy knows no bounds!! HAAAAAAAAA
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 10th January 2009 @ 4:03 pm
Concerned Citizen: This is a thread about GPP, not to give advice on investing. There are plenty of places you can go to get educated about investing, and what types of investments there are in the marketplace that are legitimate. It depends on one’s desire to find them. Just as there are many places to find out this information, there are places you can learn how to develop an investment program that will fit your budget.
There are many factors in considering what is the “right” investment vehicle/product for you. How much do you have to invest, what is your risk tolerance, how long you are willing to tie up your money in an investment, can you qualify to invest in certain products, and I have just scratched the surface of all the things that would have to be known about you to give advice. For someone to give this advice, they would need to be a registered and licensed trader/broker.
I realize that the lure of easy money, without having to do any thinking or research on your part is your thing, but you end up losing your money; as you will with GPP.
Want to learn or invest? Do your research and contact a broker. You won’t find it in HYIP programs, or in programs that promise $55,000 return for your $35 Admin Fee; or similar type programs.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th January 2009 @ 9:11 pm
Hey Dude. I have played the mutual fund game, I have (2) 401k programs which are dead in the water now and lost $9500 a few years back trying to trade commodity futures on oil with a deadbeat broker! “Brokers” are a dime a dozen and everybody is one. Don’t tell me that you can “make it” in the “real” market unless you are insider, or you have millions to spend and then you can play with the “big boys” and get lucky. You might can make it Forex trading, but you still have to know the game. GPP may or may not pay, but at $25US, I don’t see the big deal of making fun of it and spreading bad kharma about it all the time like you are losing millions in it or something. If Stella was Bernard Madoff and telling you to invest $1000000 and you could make ten million, I would call her a con. At $25 bucks though, c’mon man. YOu spend that much going out to eat. Anyways…The end will be soon at Jan.31 approaches and if we were duped into believing something like that could happen, so be it!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 11th January 2009 @ 4:32 pm
“GPP may or may not pay, but at $25US, I don’t see the big deal”
That’s why the con works.
You lose $25, persuade 5/10 of your friends to get involved “just in case”. They lose their $25.
“Stella” is at the other end collecting 100,000+ $25 payments for doing nothing more than putting up a poorly designed website and convincing loads of people that reverse pension plans actually exist.
It’s fraud. Worse still, you’re all stupid enough to send personal ID off to some random email address.
Comment by Ben — 11th January 2009 @ 6:44 pm
Concerned Citizen: Just a simple question for you: If GPP is so real, then why haven’t the super wealthy bought up all the remaining polices? After all for a mere $20 per policy they will get $55,000. One would think that people who know how to make a buck would jump all over this. Look at the rate of return for such a small amount of money. They could increase their wealth 80-fold in one fell swoop. Look forward to your answer.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th January 2009 @ 1:01 am
Some interesting read from Blog TeamThemco.
NOTE THE LAST PARAGRAPH.
During the past few weeks we have been researching and studying an investment opportunity we feel you should consider either for investing some of the GPP funds or even ‘fresh’ money on deposit at the bank earning a paltry interest rate.
We have conducted a basic search at Companies House and established that the company offering this investment opportunity was incorporated on 18th November 2008 and has an active status. No anonymity here. The officers of the company have been working and perfecting their business plan for a number of years and are now ready to optimise the return on their efforts via this new vehicle.
It had been our intention to put this opportunity in front of you before we closed the office on the 31st December 2008, but we had found a number of mistakes on the original website, that the Company advised us they would address during the upgrade that was in progress. The new website is now available and since time is of the essence, we urge you to visit the website and conduct your own investigation.
We have had a number of lengthy exchanges with officers of the company and they have satisfied all our points raised.
Returns are paid gross with the Investor responsible for their own tax obligations.
The investment accounts can be bequeathed to family members, friends or third parties.
It is the intention of the company to create a certificate of ownership of an investment, which could be transferable. We have suggested that they might like to consider a corporate bond, but whatever they do it is going to be tricky to do, bearing in mind that investors, if they choose to, can continue to invest from time to time. Still the intention is there which is commendable.
The number of investors is to be restricted to 5,000 with a little less than 1,000 registered to date.
Registering to secure a place COSTS NOTHING and gives you access to the mechanism that will be available to manage your investments.
Investments are largely for a period of 3 years but they do have 6 month investments from time to time.
The 3 year investment is geared to achieve an interest rate of 0.62% per day, which is compounded to achieve a substantial return over the period.
Whilst the investment stands up on its own, the company has introduced a referral system to attract the 5,000 investors, they require, quickly, so that they can focus on what they do best, which is investing in, enhancing and selling websites.
First level and wide is the order of the day here to maximise the commission, if you intend to promote this opportunity to your team.
There is a good deal to read on the website but you will find it worthwhile to spend a little time doing so.
In our humble opinion, this is the perfect passive type of investment to protect your GPP windfall capital.
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Comment by bodohwee — 12th January 2009 @ 3:19 pm
Attention ladies & gentlements!!! no point of arguing over here whether GPP will or will not payout, time proves it.
Comment by marc_xen — 12th January 2009 @ 5:10 pm
quote by concerned citizen:
“GPP may or may not pay, but at $25US, I don’t see the big deal of making fun of it and spreading bad kharma about it all the time like you are losing millions in it or something. If Stella was Bernard Madoff and telling you to invest $1000000 and you could make ten million, I would call her a con. At $25 bucks though, c’mon man”
So, it’s ok to scam +5million bucks from over 200000 people, that’s not a crime. But if you scam it from one person, then it is. I fail to see the logic in this one.
I’m guessing we won’t see the end of this scam in 31.january, this will just drag on and on…
After like half a dozen missed deadlines for payout, true believers still believe in GPPs legality. For them, proof that GPP is legit, is that “stelliar” is still posting some crap on GPP website and didn’t make a runner. Not the strongest argument, when anybody with half a brain can see GPP for what it is, a scam…
Comment by Rokka — 13th January 2009 @ 6:39 am
Bodohwee:
So, am I reading that post correctly that GPP is looking for thier GPP people to transfer their “investments” to a new company for free for another few years “investment” time?
Is that the short of the long of it? They want everyone to not get paid out, but to transfer funds instead and wait even longer?!!
And to Concerened Citizen:
Its the “it aint no big deal to lose $25.00” attititude that makes the sleazy people like GPP get rich. It IS a big deal, especially when they are praying on the gullable and desperate (like my friend, who has no money to spend and is desperate to get out of the situation that she is in, had I known her at the time she wasted her money, I would have talked her out of it. But its too late now.) Worst part is they keep people doing “busy work” hopping around websites, sending in forms, feeding them bullshit for Years, for a payout that wont happen. They got some balls! You have to be a “special” kind of person to do that to people for that long.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th January 2009 @ 6:23 pm
In addition to my post #1496:
It may seem like small potatoes ($25.00 from here and there), but if you look at the bigger picture, here and there are hundreds of thousands of people from USA, and other countries, I heard Finnland, Germany, Russia and who knows where else simultaneously. Thats alot of potatoes! These people arent some guy standing infront of a liquor store having a three card monty game.
Yes, you take chances “investing”, but sometimes people who have nothing, who really need something, hold on to hope.
Frankly, Id rather have some jerk steal my money. Then I know its gone, no false hope, no weekly or monthly “updates”, just plain gone.
Their behaviour is not acceptable, and its even less acceptable to condone their behaviour.
Ok, I feel better having said that. Thanks for listening to my opinions! And no, Im not being a Bitter Betty, its not my money that is lost (but I do stand to gain a bit incase it actually does pays out.) So ya, part of me would like for this to be real. 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th January 2009 @ 7:14 pm
I tell you what guys…A show of hands…How many of you have lost money in your country’s respective stock markets?? Any of you willing to confess up to what your actual experience is in the “markets” of the world? Well, I know because I have lost alot in the so-called legitimate markets and am still losing my 401k every day this global market crisis keeps going. Stella may or may not be real, I don’t know, but the only person that I can speak for is myself. If you don’t want to spend $25, then fine…DON’T!! But do not worry about what I do with my money. As far as Eagle One’s thoughts on rich people buying all the policies and getting super rich overnight…I cannot answer that. But, what if by some small, micron size chance that it could work…What will you say then! For $25, I am willing to take that chance. If you invested in GPP and are now complaining, then all you have is yourself to blame. I don’t hold Stella, GPP or any of you guys responsible for my actions…I did it just the same way that I invested in Wall Street, and have lived to regret that! I may regret this also, but it will have been by my choice and not yours!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 13th January 2009 @ 10:15 pm
Oh, by the way…Rokka.
The logic is that it is MY $25 that I spent. I did not spend millions of dollars to Stella. Other people may have, and the total spent to GPP may be in the tens of millions, but I only have $25 spent, so that is all I am worrying about. My logic is, that it is minute in size of the expenditure, when compared to Bernard Madoff and the millions that different “idividuals” spent to him. Each person spent hundreds of thousands of dollars by themselves to Madoff, so they suffered a greater loss of personal money. $25 against $25,000,000. If Stella takes the money and disappears, then yes…it will have been a crime and she will have turned out to have been a scamster, but for me, with just $25 in the game, I will take that chance.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 14th January 2009 @ 12:10 am
The difference between trading on the stock market and GPP is that when you trade on the stock market there is a chance you will make money.
With GPP there is no chance. You may as well set fire to your $25.
Comment by Ben — 14th January 2009 @ 9:59 am
Ben, EagleOne and group…If you are ABSOLUTELY sure that GPP is a scam…my question is simple…Have you contacted the authorities of their(GPP) homeland country and alerted them to this scam? Just wondering as you seem so sure it will not work. I was curious as to what the “authorities” told you when you alerted them to these purported scamsters and their diabolical plan of ripping us poor mindless investors off, as it seems we are being conned, according to you.
I am interested in what they told you.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 14th January 2009 @ 10:37 am
Concerned Citizen: I think exactly what are you thinking of. As I said in my previous comment I’m from Malaysia what I’ve invested is 3.5x of what you guys spent.
For the rest of you guys who thinks him/herself is a Messiah who wants to show the generousity to help or giving so called “smart opinionsss” to others whereby he/she already registered in GPP, just go ahead with the SMART CRITICS in this forum which will not change the fact.
If one already made a decision to join any of the programme from the internet should be prepared for the worse & not the best!!!
Comment by marc_xen — 14th January 2009 @ 10:40 am
“Have you contacted the authorities of their(GPP) homeland country and alerted them to this scam?”
Where is GPP based? If we could find that out, we could contact someone.
Who is running GPP? You have no idea, I have no idea.
Comment by Ben — 14th January 2009 @ 12:07 pm
Ben and group…Since you don’t believe that GPP is legit and that Stella is a scamster, do you think that all of the other RPP programs are scams also? Just curious as to your thoughts, as there are a lot of others out there and they all are moving towards “completion” one way or the other. I was just wondering if you thought that all RPP based types of programs were not legitimate or is it just GPP in particular? Your thoughts? Also, a little food for thought…You do realize that when you signed up for GPP or any other RPP for that matter, that there was a disclaimer at the front of the website that you were supposed to read, which basically tells you that this program MAY OR MAY NOT work and that you entered at YOUR OWN RISK, did you not??? Just wondering.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 14th January 2009 @ 10:18 pm
Yes I did read the T&Cs – I mentioned them in my report on GPP in March 2007:
http://bizoppsuk.com/global_pension_plan.php
Comment by Ben — 14th January 2009 @ 10:29 pm
One other item for you Ben. Go to Google and type Endowment Policy and read about it. Pretty close to what GPP is doing. Endowment Insurance policies are traded on the London Stock Exchange. Read it over. It may surprise you.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 14th January 2009 @ 10:40 pm
Concerned Citizen I had stopped reading this blog as is was depressing as it was all negative. Good on you I will keep reading this from now on. I like positive.
Comment by VCJ — 15th January 2009 @ 8:44 am
Concerned Citizen: In regard to your comment about Endowment policies being traded in Europe, and even in the U.S., and trying to compare them to GPP is comparing apples to oranges and saying they are the same.
No-one has said Endowment policies are not traded, or for that matter do not exist. What we have said is you cannot take a raw Endowment policy, meaning no money has been paid into it for it to have value, which GPP claims it is doing, to an Endowment policy that has value and can be traded.
If you go to one of the major investment firms that trades in these Endowment policies, they will tell you this, and I quote: “The popular endowment policies for traded endowments offers are endowment policies with a minimum surrender value of £2,500 that have been running for at least 5 years.”
So taking a raw policy that has no value is not even an option with one of the largest trading houses in the Endowment arena. But nice try at trying to make something unreal, real.
But GPP is not an Endowment Policy, but a Pension Policy. How do I know? Because Stella said so, and I quote: “Global Pension Plan is nothing more complicated than a simple pension insurance. However, the program we have established makes it possible for our members to receive the financial benefits in a few months compared to years or decades in case of normal pension insurance. It also removes all the other negative details of the normal pension insurance savings and turns it into a tempting opportunity.” Since Stella does not lie, which is it?
As to has GPP been reported to the authorities, I guess you missed all the news coming out of Finland where they have been conducting an investigation for quite some time now. Also that all of the major promoter’s of GPP from Finland, magically took the links to their websites where they were promoting GPP down once this investigation started. It seems the Finn’s are doing quite a good job of investigating the major promoter’s of GPP in Finland, and they are not going to release any information to any inquiry about what they have discovered about GPP until they are ready to do so. In short, they don’t tell the details of their investigation just because someone asks.
You are also making an assumption that no other country is conducting an investigation of GPP, and any players promoting it in their country. Again, investigators do not tell you what they are doing in their investigation, but that does not mean that one is not ongoing.
We also know 2 of the Trust Partners, thanks to Stella, who said, and I quote: “As the Trust Partners of GPP [Olle Bergstrom, Sweden / Carita Gillison, Spain] have said in their last Update,
“…Our ambition is to have the payout before the end of the year so we can have the Christmas Of Our Lives. And that is no hard work! If everyone just sign up ONE new member a month and tell the new ones to do the same, in one month we will be 14.000 members. In two months 28.000. In three months 56.000, and in four months we have reached the goal. That would be in the mid of September, so enough time for administration to get the funds before Christmas…” So I guess the authorities do have two names to contact about GPP.
In regard to your reminding evryone of GPP’s disclaimers, you conveniently forgot to include, and I quote: “We want to keep as low profile as possible, not to attract too much publicity and most certainly not to disturb any national bureaucrats with our program.” Hmmm, wonder why? LOL!
Of course one of my favorite lines was this one, and I quote: “We have met difficulties, like SPAM and DDoS attacks, but all of them have been beaten successfully! It’s normal to experience attacks from naysayers who want to destroy something extraordinary. But because of a professional online presence plan, we are still available for the general public.” Almost fell off my chair I was laughing so hard after their database being stolen, anybody able to access their super secret website forum, and the list goes on and on; as well as changing domain names 3 times. But I think my all-time favorite one was this one, and I quote: “we keep our voice down and let the members discreetly market the opportunity.” So much for being marketed discreetly. ROFLOL!
And let’s not forget the promise if you develop a downline of 12 deep, you can earn $16,392,000. Yep, 16+ Million just in referral fees. Yep, sure sounds like a legitimate program to me.
Now would you like for me to post some more of Stella’s prattle and double-speak?
Comment by EagleOne — 15th January 2009 @ 9:44 am
Eagle One…I don’t need you to to go to GPP’s site and quote bits and pieces of the disclaimer. I have read it myself. As far as Finnish authorities being on the track of GPP, I could tell you that I have heard that Finnish, Thai, Japanese, Canadian and US “authorities” are researching GPP, but then again…I am sure you already knew that. The truth is…That GPP may or may not be real, but YOU and I “don’t know that for sure” and unless you can produce a legal binding indictment that has been taken in a real court of law in a law abiding country in this world, you have no idea what authorities have or do not have against GPP or any other entity for that matter. What you don’t know about Endowment policies are, that they(Endowment policies) are also referred to as pension policies. If you had did your research on Google, you would have seen that. You can make fun of the monetary amounts all you want, but you have to remember that these policies are bought, and then traded for an average of 33 years before they are cashed in. During that time, the policy that is bought for x amount of money, is exponentially increased(barring any bad financial problems in the markets) and then traded back to the bank for another bigger sum of money. It is like gambling on people’s lives, in a way. How do you think a regular insurance company works…They take chances that you are not going to have a car accident, a home that is damaged or medical issues…and by the way, a lot of the financial instruments used to trade, are not available to “small time” investors such as you and I! Go back and research a little more, and then come back and argue some more!!!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 15th January 2009 @ 10:37 am
Oh…also EagleOne…If by some “remote” chance GPP or some other RPP pays out…I and all who bought into them, will be the ones ROFLMAF!!! HAAAAAAAAAAA
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 15th January 2009 @ 10:38 am
Hello!
I just want to answer 2 questions with the knowledge I’ve acquired in my day job:
1. Will GPP pay? There’s a microscopic chance they do.
2. Is it possible in theory? Yes, today it’s 100% certain.
What people don’t understand is that anyone has for many years been able to come up with their own financial instrument to make money in. Subprime loan is an example where sophisticated people have come up with a new market to make money in. It’s legal to “invent” any type of money making instrument since many markets are unregulated in many different countries (like FX here in Sweden for example). CDS (credit default swaps – look it up at Wikipedia) is a major reason to the financial crisis that we have now because EVERYBODY has done it for years in unregulated markets. What will happen is that we will see many more rules on the financial markets in the future and then GPP (and others) won’t be able even in theory to start a legit program because then it will be illegal already at the drawing board. GPP can only be prosecuted if someone can prove that they never INTENDED to follow through with what they said because then it would be illegal. The program itself is not illegal if there really are people who wants to invest in the members’ policies. It’s an unregulated market!
If GPP is real, this is the reason for the deadline the 31st of January because then US has a new president who really wants to stop the unregulated markets and then GPP itself would be illegal. Then after 25 years or so the markets will be deregulated again because we people are so stupid that we have forgotten what happened the last time we let the Wall Street sharks come up with their own financial instruments. It will be our children/grandchildren who take the punch next time.
I’m a FX broker. I mostly work with fundamental analysis and not so much technical analysis. During “normal times” my company that I work for produce between 2-10% interest per month for our clients but during the financial crisis we produce between 50-200% interest per month for our clients in an unregulated market! Sell your USD, NZD, AUD against the JPY. Much of this because of the CDS:s! Thank you!
Comment by FOREX — 15th January 2009 @ 1:30 pm
HAVING READ THE LAST FEW PAGES AND HOW PEOPLE ARE GETTING FIRED UP AGAIN, I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU ABOUT MY “FREIND” WHO HAS INVESTED IN A LOT OF THESE RPPs “MEGA PENSION PLAN” IS ONE AS RECOMMENDED BY HEATHER WOLFE (sorry BEN) NOW WHEN SHE GETS A E-MAIL FROM “MEGA” IT ALSO MENTIONS GPP, BUT THEN CLAIMS TO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THEM, NOW THEY SAY THEY ARE WRAPPING UP EARLY, IS THIS JUST A COINCIDENCE CONSIDERING THAT GPP WAS SUPPOSED TO FINISH IN JANUARY ?? JUST I WOULD THROW THIS INTO THE MIX SO OUR NEW FREIND CONCERNED CITIZEN HAS A FEW MORE FACTS TO CHASE ON GOOOOGLE..
Comment by MARCO — 15th January 2009 @ 5:20 pm
To concerned citizen:
You seem to have used all the phrases from the GPP cheerleaders handbook.
– “it’s like buying a lottery ticket”
– “it’s like endowment policy”
– “it’s only 25$”
– “there’s no proof that GPP is a scam”
– “naysayers are sad people, with no life”
Like I said before, audience demands better cheerleaders 🙂
And to anyone still believing in GPP, I have a business proposition for you:
Recently I was contacted by genuine prince from Nigeria, who offered me a possibility to make millions of dollars through some business dealings. Since I’m not in dire need of money, I’m willing to forward this great opportunity to you.
Now before you start calling this a scam, remember there’s no proof that this nigerian prince is a scammer.
Just like GPP…
Comment by Rokka — 15th January 2009 @ 6:29 pm
To Marco and Rokka…By all means I am glad you are finding some amusing fun in all this. It is a sad day, when you just sit around and worry so much about “feeble minded investors” who don’t know the difference between investing and pension policies! I am glad you are able to lighten up and enjoy life and not worry so much about myself and all those that wish to “invest” in these ludicrous ventures! HAAA
Marco,for you…I know of MPP and I know that the admin for MPP is located in Canada, far removed from Finland, to where the purported scamster, Stella, resides. But, you are correct, I am sure they are in “league” with each other, and are, no doubt, at this time, hatching out their next diabolical scheme!
Rokka…I love cheerleading, because I like to bleed you guys for information, so that it can be shown, that you, Marco, Eagle One and a host of others, have researched this quite a bit, and obviously, jump to this blog every day or so, to “keep up” with us poor, uneducated investors. Hmmmm…I wonder how you know so much about what is going on behind the scenes with these RPPs, unless…just maybe you are a member, and you would just love to see it pay out yourself! That is the only way that you would be able to pull some of the info from the GPP site, like you do, or know about MPP, as MPP is completely offline. There is no website for them, and you quote too many lines from the indepth part of the GPP website to just be a passerby! Well, we shall see. Oh, by the way…Another tidbit…There is an RPP that is paying out right now, and some of us poor investors, who did not know how to handle our money at all, are seeing debit cards shipped next week! I have had an address verification done, been in touch with the manager and admin, and I will let you know when I get the paperwork with banking coordinates within the next week or so. Think about it…An RPP that actually worked! ROFLMAO!!!
[Addition by Ben: Not sure about GPP being based in Finland… I remember that “Stella” asked people to send money to three different people at the same address in Latvia]
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 15th January 2009 @ 11:54 pm
CC: Sorry to burst your bubble, but any 6 year old could access the GPP website and forum. You know that forum that was run by “PROFESSIONALS” and had this great IT Partner, which had to change their domain name 3 times. The fun part was finding out what name to use to see if you could find the site. And then let’s not forget GPP had to take down the super secret forum due to it not being so super secret after all. ROFLOL!
You quote from GPP, and then when someon else quotes from GPP you chastise them for doing so. What a trip. I have a whole lot more to quote from Stella and the Trust, but then it would shoot down all your rhetoric. But I do appreciate your coming on and defending GPP as being real. Makes for a fun day of reading. Fiction has always been one of my favorites, and GPP is definitely fiction. Besides, you love coming here for the entertainment value too, or you wouldn’t be here.
Right before the end, we always have these posters who declare this program isn’t a scam, it is the real deal, it will last forever, etc., etc.. Then they fold. Guess in 2 weeks the truth will be known.
By the way, I am fully aware of what is an Endowment policy, and what is a pension policy, and I am also aware that all of these policies are: regulated to the hilt, require a medical exam questionnaire to be completed, and underwriting and actuarial study done before an insurance company will issue either of these type of policies. So now we are to believe that an insurance company is going to insure the 5 Trust Partners for a minimum of $20 Billion dollars, loan them 60% of this figure when the policy has no value whatsoever.
Just think, you could have had 12 lines deep and you would have made over $16 Million just in referral fees. Now aren’t you mad you didn’t do it?
Comment by EagleOne — 16th January 2009 @ 1:07 am
I beg to differ EagleOne…You do not have to have a medical exam for a life insurance policy, as I have one now, and did not have to take a medical exam for it, as I am below 45 years of age. I did not say you could not access the GPP site, I said that it is obvious that you read it regulary, as you quote from it ALL the time! As far as giving you fiction to read…Read your morning papers and look at the drop in the London Stock Exchange, the FTSE index and probably with what will happen on Wall Street tomorrow. Now, I am sure that a smart boy like you, will be making money hand of fist tomorrow, as you are invested in the “real” stock market and not some made up facade such as GPP!! Oh, you are always quick to point out referrals being 12 levels deep…You must have made all of your money off of referrals, because I, personally, have not referred a single person to GPP and am not worried about referring other people to GPP. I bought a position myself, and that is all that I did. I am not interested in making money off the backs of other people.
One other item for you to digest Eagle One…I know of three other people that signed up for GPP under different sponsors, and last year, when the website was up and down, they misspent to the GPP Liberty Reserve account, and did not get their credit for their membership. Would you believe that lo and behold, Stella refunded them and they got their money back!!!!!!!!! I know that took your breath, because as the labeled scamster that she is, you are asking yourself…How in the world could STella give money back??? It happened because I saw the Liberty Reserve batch numbers and that it had been moved from their account back to the respective “investors'” accounts. Something to think about.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 16th January 2009 @ 1:31 am
MEGA Pension Plan aka MPP (as mentioned below) is another “Mega”-scam in a long list of failed online investment schemes run by Warren English of Laval, Quebec, Canada. His past scams include the Oil Venture, China Project, Offshore Marketing Alliance (OMA), and Southern Star Private International Bank, among others. None of English’s programs have ever paid anyone other than him.
He has been the subject of a number of cease and desist orders issued by the Ontario Securities Commission (OSC) and a number of US states related to “prime bank note” fraud and continues to operate in direct violation of a settlement order with the OSC as reflected in the new release here:
http://www.osc.gov.on.ca/Media/NewsReleases/2003/nr_20030217_osc-offshore-settle.jsp
Ontario Securities Commission
20 Queen St. W.
Box 55, Suite 1900
Toronto, ON M5H 3S8
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
February 17, 2003
OSC APPROVES SETTLEMENT REACHED WITH OFFSHORE MARKETING ALLIANCE and
WARREN ENGLISH
TORONTO – The Ontario Securities Commission today approved a settlement agreement reached by Staff of the Commission with Offshore Marketing Alliance (“OMA”) and Warren English.
Staff of the Commission alleged that OMA and English participated in an illegal distribution of securities in the form of “Prime Bank” trading contracts. Staff also alleged that OMA and English had breached a cease trade order issued by the Commission in this matter in December of 2000 by continuing to trade in the contracts.
In the settlement agreement, OMA and English admit to violations of the Securities Act and to the breach of the cease trade order. As a result, the Commission imposed the following sanctions:
English must cease trading in securities for a period of 10 years, must resign any positions that he holds as a director or officer of an issuer, is prohibited from becoming the director or officer of an issuer for a period of 15 years, and was reprimanded by the Commision; and
OMA must cease trading in securities permanently and was reprimanded by the Commission.
In administering the reprimand, Commissioner Robert Shirriff Q.C. observed that the admitted breaches were “serious matters” and merited the sanctions imposed.
Copies of the Commission’s order and the settlement agreement in this matter are available on the Commission’s website.
For Media Inquiries: Eric Pelletier
Manager, Media Relations
416-595-8913
For Investor Inquiries: Call the OSC Contact Centre
(416) 593-8314
1-877-785-1555 (Toll Free)
The “suite” that he claims to operate from is not an office it’s a box at a Mail Boxes Etc. Call them and ask:
Mail Boxes Etc.
1804 Le Corbusier Boulevard
Laval, Quebec, Canada
H7S2N3
(450)681-6245
MPP is another ridiculous RPP scam dreamed up by a long-time HYIP and MLM scammer. Don’t fall for it.
There is no and there never will be any RPPs that are paying. They all are very obvious scams.
Comment by JH — 16th January 2009 @ 4:32 am
CC: Reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits. I said Endowment and Pension policies require (now pay attention here since you missed it the first time) a require a medical exam QUESTIONNAIRE to be completed. Depending on your answers to that QUESTIONNAIRE will determine if a “medical exam” is required or not.
I also did not say you referred anyone. I said just think, if you had referrals 12 deep, you could make a cool $16+ Million. I was merely pointing out the depth of which GPP spreads around their largess.
Of course you really did get this, you just want to have something to rebut. I just find it interesting you get all bent out of shape when I quote Stella and the GPP storyline. Funny how it is OK for you to do it, but not me, or for that matter anyone else. As I said, I have more of Stella’s idiotic ramblings that have been passed off as gospel and truth. But they do make for comedic reading. But it is nice to know that you believe that Stella and GPP have learned how to turn lead into gold.
Why don’t you want to talk about the 5 members of the Trust having $20 Billion (at least) of insurance on themselves. Surely someone with your ‘investment’ accumen and great knowledge would be willing to share and explain how this is possible. I’m sure Bill Gates and Warren Buffett have that much insurance on them as well, so the Trust will be in good company. Looking forward to your explaining how this is accomplished.
Comment by EagleOne — 16th January 2009 @ 5:24 am
GPP…
This retirement fund program is a project where a Bank plans to invest €12 billion in retirement pension insurance policies. The organisers are looking for 100,000 people that are prepared to sign up for one policy each while the Bank covers the cost of the policy (which is an average of €41,000). The stipulation is that the Bank then can buy the policy back for another €79,000 – a total altogether of €120,000. Once you agree to lend your identity so that this exercise in making money can work, as a member you will then receive €55,000 when the project reaches 100,000 policies.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 16th January 2009 @ 10:54 am
CC: The GPP program works like this: They will have a policy issued for a face amount of $200,000. They will obtain a loan of 60%, or in the amount of $120,000. From this $120,000 they will pay the member, depending on age, either $110,000 or $55,000. Keeping it simple we will use the $55,000 figures. Then you have referral fees of $24,000, and an average premium of $41,000; or a total of $120,000 paid out from the $120,000 loan.
So there is no money to invest by the Trust from this $120,000. They have a loan of $120,000 which requires interest to be paid on the policy loan. Of course NO bank is going to loan $120,000 on a policy that has only a $41,000 premium payment, which not all of the $41,000 is available to be used as collateral for a loan. The insurance company has to cover their cost of issuing the policy and maintaining the policy over the life of the loan, or life of the insured, whichever comes first. So no money to invest, and no money to pay the interest on the loan, but depending on how many people the member has in their downline they stand to be paid $79,000, not the Trust.
Now this means the insurance company is now going to be insuring the 5 members of the Trust for the total amount of the 100,000 policies or $20 Billion.
Guess you missed the part about insurance policies having to have a relational value to the total amount of insurance to the wealth of the individual. In short this means that the 5 members of the Trust would require a net worth of $200 Billion. So if they have a net worth of $200 Billion, why would they even bother to do this? Their annual rate of return on these policies would be less than 2% per year.
As previously stated, not matter how you do the math, this is not possible. No insurance company is going to go on the risk for $20 Billion dollars on the lives of 5 people. There are not enough reinsurance companies in the world to take on this kind of risk. You do know about reinsurance companies and the role they play in life insurance products don’t you?
Comment by EagleOne — 17th January 2009 @ 5:49 am
Tell you what Eagle One…I know all about Reinsurance companies and how they relate to insurance companies in general.
You go on believing that it will not work, and I will go on believing that it will work, and one of these days, in the not to distant future, one of us will be proven wrong. I am sure in your mind, that you think it will be myself, and that you will be able to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that Stella is scamming us, but I continue to think otherwise. I enjoy your “business 101” class that you conduct here, and I am sure you had to search many different internet insurance policy benefit sites, to accrue the info, but you HAVE NOT made a non-believer out of me. The rest of you guys can go through life, living that humdrum,*I have to do what the government tells me to do* way of thinking, but I choose a different path. Good luck to you and may you find that magical mutual fund that will make you rich!
Adios amigo
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 17th January 2009 @ 6:28 am
CC:
Eagle actually provided some calculations as to why he doesn’t believe GPP will payout. I’d be interested to hear the same from you…
Comment by Rokka — 17th January 2009 @ 8:13 am
If Stella really wants to complete 100K ID’s for the bank, it is plain and simple. Each of the members should receive a package of instruction in the mail in detailed steps like when applying for a passport. After all, we are talking about serious money here and “WE” (in her words, since she claims she won’t get paid if this doesn’t materialize) all want to be paid. Each member who hasn’t submitted his/her identification should be contacted by her professional assistants. With the amount of money on the line, heck, I would hire the best accountants in the world to make sure that all “i’s” are dotted and “t’s” crossed.
The truth is, Stella is just waiting for the end of the month, then she can go incognito somewhere, taking with her millions of gullible people’s money.
As for the believers, I will indeed be humbled if we get paid. I will donate half of my commissions to GPP’s charity!
Comment by Borat'sNiece — 17th January 2009 @ 12:28 pm
Eagle One…One question for you…I appreciate your mathematic skills and you do make for some valid arguments, of that, I will not argue with you. But, how do you know of the 5 investors(Trust members) that you speak of? Just curious as to how you know that it is 5 exactly without having first hand knowledge of the proposed business deals that are being put forth? Just curious. I have never read that on the GPP site and I was wondering if there was more information somewhere that speaks of the number of investors in this.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 17th January 2009 @ 4:38 pm
CC: Because Stella said so, and I quote:
“Q: Who runs the Global Pension Plan?
A: I am not sure if you are aware of that Global Pension Plan is run by the Trust Partner and through a trust (Anstalt) registered in Liechtenstein. The originator consists of five European businessmen, who have experience from similar business dealings but on a smaller scale. I met with members of the Trust Partner as well as the manager of the insurance company involved before I decided to step in and start working for them.”
She has also followed this up with other references on the forum about their being 5 Trust Partners. Of course she conveniently deleted all those references before they took down the forum all together.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th January 2009 @ 7:24 pm
Well, Eagle One…as it seems you have it ALL covered. I trust you have your own assets covered in “real world” financial instruments so if, by the chance, that we see the death of GPP, you will not have lost any monies and will come out on the better end of the whole affair!
I will continue to invest in what I see fit. YOu do the same. Oh by the way…I am sure you will alert all bloggers here of your monetary gains when the day comes, that you strike it rich!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 17th January 2009 @ 8:05 pm
Teamthemco’s blog has been “archived or suspended” for violation of WordPress’s terms of service.
Oh dear…
Comment by Ben — 17th January 2009 @ 8:22 pm
CC: What you, and all the others, who have joined GPP do not seem to get is I don’t care if you joined or not. I don’t care if you bought only one policy (remember when they said that was all you would be able to buy) or if you bought 1,000 policies. This is not about you, or any other member of GPP. This is about keeping those who have not joined from joining and losing their money.
I am not the one that keeps having to change the story as to why GPP has not paid out. And it is just that a story. I am not the one who has gone around telling everyone GPP will do something that no Trust, or anyone else for that matter, has ever been able to do. Reminds me of Bryan Marsden and PIPS. He was this so-called financial guru, and was going to make the little guy all millionaires by promising 2% per trading day COMPOUNDED. Never had been done, and he fell way, way, way short of doing it too. He has been sitting in jail for 2+ years waiting for his 2 trials, and now next month they will both be concluded, hopefully.
As to my investments, I am quite pleased with how they are performing even in these bad economic times. Which with all the bailouts of banks, finance companies, and insurance companies, makes GPP’s program a total joke of being completed. There is not an insurance company in the world that can take on this kind of risk, and no lending institution that can loan that amount of money. That doesn’t count the number of people an insurance company would require to process all the documents. The notion that Stella has been doing this herself is laughable.
But as you have said, you can invest in whatever you want, as I (or anyone else) can. The truly sad part is how GPP has played on people’s hopes and dreams, as well as desperation in wanting this to be real. But when you stand to gain $6 Million, I guess conscious has nothing to do with it. That’s sick and cold.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th January 2009 @ 11:21 pm
Ben: In regard to this: Teamthemco’s blog has been “archived or suspended†for violation of WordPress’s terms of service.
It’s not a problem. All they have to do is contact Stella and she will be able to fix it. After all she is a great admin, one person customer service rep, world traveler, time traveler, banking solution negotiator and contract expert, insurance document processor, and all around humanitarian. Hmmm, beginning to sound like the EXTAN’s.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th January 2009 @ 11:34 pm
WELL SAID Eagle One:
“The truly sad part is how GPP has played on people’s hopes and dreams, as well as desperation in wanting this to be real.”
The truth is, Stella is just waiting for the end of the month, then she(he) will be gone.
Comment by bodohwee — 18th January 2009 @ 8:09 am
EagleOne…I had decided not to post anymore, but I just cannot leave this one issue alone. As I told you in a previous post(whether you believe me or not, I cannot say) but I have personally seen three different refunds back to Liberty Reserve from “Stella” earlier last year when the Liberty Reserve account/GPP website were having programming issues. 3 different people had spent, and it did not show up in their back office, so they requested a refund and she refunded thier LR back to them. Now, I know that is just 3 episodes, but Stella, at least, refunded those 3 people. Now, if that makers her legit or not, I don’t know. I think you are frustrated because you don’t understand this project anymore than I or anyone else does. Yes, you say that you did your math and on paper, it is financially impossible for 5 billionaires to do this, but I wonder how many investors are represented by those “five” investors. Could be in the thousands, and most mega investments don’t just involve a few people. It may or may not work, but unless you have the inside scoop on this project and can pull actual details out and show addresses, phone numbers, alterante identities, Liberty Reserve and Egold receipts as to where “Stella” is having this money funneled…You are in no more of a position to call this a scam than anyone else including me. What you have is your personal opinion because you doubt it could work, or you don’t understand it, but the truth is that BIG money is made everyday in all types of legit and nonlegit transactions throughout the financial world, and you just because you don’t understand it or don’t believe it, doesn’t make it not so!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 18th January 2009 @ 2:33 pm
CC:
One question,
those people who were refunded by “stella”, did they eventually bought the policy from GPP after LR issues were solved?
Comment by Rokka — 18th January 2009 @ 7:27 pm
CC: I have never said that “refunds” have not been made to members of GPP. That does not prove it is real. My personal favorite was when money was being sent to the 3 Latvian women, but you had to keep your dollar amount sent below a set amount as to not draw attention by the regulators. Or the payments being sent to a mail box drop in the UK. And let’s not forget First Oceanic Bank out of Somalia, who used the same mail box drop in the UK. Yep sure sounds like a legitimate program to me.
But why have to use any payment processor when GPP has a bank account? After all, it is far cheaper for all parties to just wire directly into the bank account, or send payments to the bank. But no, they make you use a payment processor which drives up your fees to conduct business, and of course you can keep yourself anonymous. Can’t have money going directly into the GPP bank account because that means they can no longer remain anonymous. Enough red flags for you yet?
So what will your position be if GPP announces that they are so close to the magic 100,000 mark they will extend the deadline until the end of (insert date here)? I mean, the 31st is the “drop dead” date. Of course we have had 5 before this, but who’s counting.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th January 2009 @ 8:55 pm
Concerned Citizen is a scammer’s dream come true!
Comment by Owen Platt — 19th January 2009 @ 9:34 am
Scammers, scams, scamsters…Man, you guys have said that word so much, that I bet all of you speak it in your sleep.
EOne…one more thing….I never said that you did say that there were no refunds. Talking about somebody getting bent out of shape every time someone disagrees with you. I come in here and try and provide another line of thinking(opinion only) and you guys are like a pack of wolves gathering in for a kill, just because somebody doesn’t agree with you. I tell you what…Opinions are like arseholes…Everybody has one!@!!!!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 19th January 2009 @ 10:02 am
So tell me Concerned Citizen – how the heck do you think GPP will get 100,000 doc by 31/01/09 ???????
Gpp is run by a bunch of highly profession scam monkey PERIOD
EagleOne don’t waste yr time they all infected by gpp viruses… Stella latest update is really a jocks..
NO CONFIRMATION DON’T WORRY – YOU STILL GET PAY ….MY ASS
[Edit by Ben for ease of reading – thanks for posting bodohwee]
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Comment by bodohwee — 19th January 2009 @ 4:26 pm
Has anyone ever seen any money from GPP? Have they ever paid out anything they said they would?
Comment by Poor & Broke — 19th January 2009 @ 7:22 pm
Hey Bodohwee…How do you know that they WON’T?
And of course, I am sure you know who the “scamster monkeys” are in the background running this program!
Tell me…and this question is open to everyone here…Do you believe that all RPP programs are false???
There is one that is paying and is in the process of sending out debit cards as we speak! Yes, it is real. One that kept a low profile and out of the view of negative egotistical people that thought that they understood or knew everything there was to know about business and finance! Unfortunately, for some of you, you will miss out on some things in life by living the status quo, or as I like to put it…Instead of people, you live like sheeple! You do everything someone else tells you to do!
Live and breath everyday on your own…not for what some SEC or OEC or British Exchange Commission wannabee has told you!!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 19th January 2009 @ 9:52 pm
Oh, by the way…Looks like TeamThemco is back up and running, for all those that are interested!
Oh dear…….
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 19th January 2009 @ 10:07 pm
RE: TeamThemco blog
So it is. Well, that’s very interesting. I guess Stella can work miracles.
CC – you must be right. Look out for that debit card in the post shortly!
Comment by Ben — 19th January 2009 @ 10:44 pm
Don’t worry Ben. The day I get it(and I am sure I will) I will be here to let you know about it!!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 19th January 2009 @ 10:47 pm
CC- what “low profile” company is it thats paying out? You say there is one that is paying and in your next line you say they are in the process of sending out debit cards. which is it? has anyone seen some money or have they told you you are getting a card?
Comment by Blade68 — 20th January 2009 @ 12:12 am
Blade68…What do you think debit cards are used for?? Payout, no doubt!
This program has been around for a number of years, but I am not giving one single bit of info on this program to this blog, as it is loaded with naysayers and would-be scamster police, so, I am sorry. There is one legit group that is paying. They have set up Trusts and everything. It is much too complicated to go into on a blog such as this.
Just remember…If GPP pays or doesn’t pay…You cannot judge every program by GPP and the way it has been handled.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 20th January 2009 @ 1:50 am
God I love this I can’t reveal who it is because of naysayers and the scam police for they will somehow magically ruin the program. You can’t name it because it doesn’t exist except in cyberspace and the land of make believe. Of course there will be the obligatory posts that tells how this paid out and was the real deal, but the NDA prohibits anyone from telling about it on an open forum. This is so old it is getting lame as an excuse. The next thing you will tell everyone Prime Bank Notes are real, and are going to make people millionaires.
You should tell soon to be president, Obama so he can get in and save the country’s financial woes without having to do a bailout. Oh, I forgot, you can’t tell anyone about it. Never mind.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th January 2009 @ 6:46 am
Debit cards have to be either pre-paid or connected to an existing bank account. They cannot simply be distributed as seems to be the case here.
Comment by Owen Platt — 20th January 2009 @ 10:02 am
Eagle One…You are so predictable man, it is funny.
You get irritated so easy that you are a riot to read on this blog!
Yes, there is a program that has been around for a while and yes, it is paying right now. I don’t give a @$#% whether you believe it or not, as I have received paperwork for the Trust from them that they have set up for the payouts for their members. So, go on…Keep doubting and keep getting more irritated everytime I post. If I told you today which program it was, the program leaders and locations…You would immediately be on the phone to your local Securities and Exchange office and would be reporting it as a scam because you were unlucky enough to have not been involved in the program and are not in the payout. Heck no, I am not going to tell you. Have a good day.
Oh…I don’t care what Obama does or doesn’t do, as what happens in the United States doesn’t cocern me that much only in the mutual funds that are based on US companies there. There are more countries and financial markets in the world other than the US!!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 20th January 2009 @ 10:07 am
CC: Me Irritated? ROFLOL! The only one getting irritated is you or you wouldn’t be swearing. But thanks for trying to divert the discussion from GPP. When you can’t defend it, the fall back position is always someone knows or is in a program that is paying that is a RPP, or some such nonsense. You are way too funny for me to be irritated. I just love your entertainment value you bring to the discussion. But please don’t stop. Can’t wait to hear your answer to Owen’s statement about the debit cards. You were going to explain to him how he doesn’t know what he is talking about aren’t you?
Comment by EagleOne — 20th January 2009 @ 10:18 am
CC:
Tell us more about the “program” paying right now. I agreed wt Eagle one “You are way too funny to be irritated”.
Are you referring to IMPERIA INVEST!!
Member’s submission TRUSTEE & PROFIT SHARING AGREEMENT???
Well it doesn’t proof a dame thing.
Comment by bodohwee — 20th January 2009 @ 1:33 pm
Oh please. That supposedly “paying” program is none other than an RPP started by Poulos, a conman from Canadian, famous for the Evocash, Dragon Raffle and Comshares scam.
What’s the matter, Concerned Citizen? Surprised I know? I’m a member just like yourself, and I can tell everyone here that not only that program has NOT paid, it has broken its payout promise for almost TEN years now.
Comment by cards — 20th January 2009 @ 3:26 pm
NO debit card or anything yet from that program, and WORST of all, now we get NO updates whatsoever other than being told that at one point in time, NO idea when, we will get something in our mailbox. Yeah right, LOL
Comment by cards — 20th January 2009 @ 3:29 pm
Cards,
I dont think that CC would admit it if that were the same program. And if he never ever got the debit card in the mail, he would come on here and brag how he got his winfall after all!
The sillyness. But fun reading.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 20th January 2009 @ 5:39 pm
Terry at teamThemco seems to have forgotten about GPP! But a new scam has popped up, NoRisk, who are operating from the same rather crowded London mail drop that GPP used originally.
Comment by bodohwee — 20th January 2009 @ 6:25 pm
Another ting to add
GPP numbers are fantastical – we are talking money that would crash JP Morgan, CitiBank and HSBC COMBINED. 5 times the profit of Shell, BP and Chevron as with most scams, make the story so unbelievable that people cannot fathom the numbers so just go dumb and believe it
Comment by bodohwee — 20th January 2009 @ 7:06 pm
To all…Nothing like getting the blog brewing, so to speak! HAAA
I enjoy all of your concerns and questions…But, as I said…If I told you who this OFFLINE group is, then you all would try your best to find out everything about them that you could, and then have them shut down. It would not be because they are doing anything illegal, but it would be because you yelled SCAM, and immediately some suit and tie in a bank or Securities commission office, would jump and lock the accounts down so they could bleed the coffers dry through this “great” justice system that we have!!
Tell you all?? Not a chance!!
Eagle One…Keep the fire burning and here’s to you! HAAAAAAA
By the way “Cards”…It is not Poulos’s program. I know the one of which you speak and I joined it also, but that is not this. This was never offered online and has been in existance(if I am not mistaken) around 5 years. Alright people…Crowd around, huddle up and wish!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 20th January 2009 @ 9:58 pm
As I said CC, I really love your entertainment value you have brought to the site. Now we are to believe that a real program that is totally legal, can be magically deemed to be illegal by a little scrutiny by some regulatory agencies. Hmmmm, since this program is already required to be regulated and registered, that means the authorities have looked at it and deemed it legal; for as you said it is perfectly legal.
So please explain how, just by the mere review of the program, it will magically go from a legal to an illegal status by a simple cursory review if it was revealed which program it is. What is truly amazing is you believe this crap. You have all the responses a great shill has for a scam down pat. It’s no wonder the conmen love you. You are their perfect foil and muse. But thanks for making me laugh.
Comment by EagleOne — 21st January 2009 @ 1:52 am
CC : LOL, that means you still have not been paid after FIVE years. That should tell everyone something right ?? LOL
Comment by cards — 21st January 2009 @ 3:11 am
I think I know what CC is talking about. Rest assured that this is NOT at all a reverse pension plan and it never will be. This is an investment program that has been running for about 5 years. I should report him for comparing them to GPP!!
Comment by Borat'sNiece — 21st January 2009 @ 4:28 pm
Oh dear, looks like the Teamthemco blog has been closed down again.
Note to Terry: Whatever you are doing wrong, STOP DOING IT!
It’s hardly rocket science.
Comment by Ben — 21st January 2009 @ 7:53 pm
CC: GPP will be sending u “debit cards” soon?
Comment by bodohwee — 23rd January 2009 @ 4:17 pm
CC
why all the smoke and mirrors from these companies if they are doing nothing wrong? Why no names or addresses? you wouldn’t put your hard earned cash in a bank with no address, no phone number, no names. OR WOULD YOU?!! If its real and completely legal, then why not come out into the open and let people review it? if it is legitimate then they have nothing to worry about do they? And your condecending answer to my previous question was no answer at all. Anyone can say “we are paying out” or “sending you a debit card” but until the moneys in the bank ……….
Comment by Blade68 — 24th January 2009 @ 12:29 am
Two things…Budowhee…I have no idea about GPP and debit cards. I have no idea about GPP in general. I never said they were or were not going to come through. My only question to this board was: Is there anyone here that knows for sure, that they WILL NOT work??
Blade68…Condescending or not…If you did not like the way I answered you, then maybe you should have asked in a more straightforward tone without so much cynicism interlaced in your wording.
Again…There are financial programs working. For me to tell you, after signing NonDisclosure agreements will jeapordize my own payout. I know, I know…ND agreements…Smoke-mirrors-anonymity…I am not going to tell you so you can believe or not believe…No concern to me either way…It is not your money that I invested with, it is mine and it is working. If you found a program/investment that was working…Would you approach this blog and tell everyone about it?? Think about it…As sarcastic as some of you are about EVERYTHING I have said, Do you actually think I would tell ACTUAL facts and figures about anything that I did???
Again, keep on doing your thing and I will do mine.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 24th January 2009 @ 1:04 pm
My Friends,
How have you been doing. I’m back again for a few… As I posted in another site a month or so ago, I simply cannot believe that GPP is still around! I mean, goodness, is anyone STILL sending money to these scammers?!?!!
Now I’ve been looking at the SCAM of GPP since late 2007. Has anyone… ANYONE seen one…just one dollar for a return from GPP? I’ll bet that you haven’t!! I know it!!!
Remember the refunds… Ha, now that’s a good one. No dollars returned there either….
How are those EXTANS doing? I guess that they kind of got angry when I busted them… or their “other” personalities… Ha, I rember getting cursed out by some of them with not so good english, then spoken to more civily with another etc… How are those other clowns doing?
Have they given up an address or phone number yet? Let me guess… NO! Now I’ve been away for MONTHS, and I can tell you that they havent! Remember when they gave an address that turned out to be somones duplex in… Hmmm I forgot the country, but it sure was not a business office like they discribed! Haven’t seen another address since!!LOL!
Anyone figure how they are still making money? Got to be some additional scheme going on, unless they are continually getting others who fell into the same scam as we did.
Goodness it was $40.00 back then… Did they lessen or increase the price to join?
My old friends, good to see you once again…. You’ll have to tell me about the amusement going on with these clowns.
Until then…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th January 2009 @ 7:35 am
CC:
Come on, you really need to work on your cheerleading act :). Come up with something new for your routine. You have now used all the lines that cheerleaders use in these kind of scams. This “ND agreement” thingy was the frosting on the cake.
One question for you, since you asked “Is there anyone here that knows for sure, that they WILL NOT work??”
What kind of proof would you need, in order to believe that GPP is a scam?
Comment by Rokka — 25th January 2009 @ 8:44 am
Ha, you said it.. ND agreements… What a pile!
Let’s put it like this… We paid your money on this investment 2, 3 and now almost 4 yrs ago waiting for a payoutin (back in 2006 or was it 2007)? ANYWAY, if you needed that $ when you were expecting to it and got it great! We all know that this did not, nor is it going isn’t going to happen. Surely we know that it’s not going to happen now.
Non Disclosure agreements… That’s a new one on me… I mean really… This is just another (one of so very many) ways to prevent us from being able to ask questions…
You know, Disclosing your financial transactions, one way or another is your (or anyone else’s) perogative. A financial institution is playing with our money and we should be able to know what’s going on with it (we should at least be able to she the increases in it’s value). Hmmmm 3 or 4 yrs later, we still have NOTHING! Has anyone EVER seen a report of ANYKIND?
I also wanted tro note something mentioned several..yes many months ago… If this financial institution wanted to get as many people into it as possible, why did they ever say to keep this hush hush?
IS THAT A CONTRADICTION or WHAT?
That in itself has the flavor of scam!
Yes the scammers did a job on this one. Let’s think about this for a moment… If the scammers did by some chance, collect all of these dollars, at this point there would be a very large amount of interest that they would have accrued on a monthly basis… The kind of money that you can live off of. We all know that’s not the case though… It has been spent! Yes, they enjoyed the good life on this scam!
What’s puzzling is that they are still making money!
Still hiding on free servers, still not provided any location (address, phone number, anything)! Now I could be partially mistaken… Wait a minute… Was there some kind of automated message back in the day? I don’t know for sure… Even if they did, we see how long that lasted!
HA, again I must say, a Billion Dollar company with no phone number!!! Look at how hard many of us work… I’d guess that for the most part, we are not making Million, not Billions per year. In most cases, thousands per year, and WE HAVE A PHONE NUMBER!!!! There I go again w/ a long post… I’ll break it up the next time.
There however, is only one conclusion.
THIS IS A SCAM!!! PLEASE DO NOT INVEST IN SCAMS!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 25th January 2009 @ 2:34 pm
“Two things…Budowhee…I have no idea about GPP and debit cards. I have no idea about GPP in general. I never said they were or were not going to come through. My only question to this board was: Is there anyone here that knows for sure, that they WILL NOT work??”
Not just anyone but EVERYone who is capable of doing basic financial analysis of GPP’s as well as every other RPP’s proposed deal knows for sure that it will NOT work. As has been demonstrated here and elsewhere many times, the numbers do not work for any of them. They all depend on some party taking a huge loss (10s of billions of dollars in the case of GPP) to simply give that money away to people for no apparent reason.
You can search back through this thread or some of the other GPP forums, but I’d suggest that you not take my or anyone else’s word for that. Go find a REAL, independent finance, banking, or investment forum (not one of the sketchy HYIP forums) and post the details of GPP’s deal there. After they stop laughing, I’m reasonably sure that some kind soul will be helpful enough to step you through in detail, independent of any pro or con GPP influences, exactly why these deals don’t work purely on the basis of an objective analysis of the numbers.
Comment by JH — 26th January 2009 @ 4:30 am
I was told by a reliable “source” that GPP has reached 95% doc and payout in Feb? We are getting there slowly But surely.
Comment by lijo — 26th January 2009 @ 6:45 am
Same old stuff being written and still no one knows for sure what is going on. No telephone numbers for the company? Can you imaging them ever doing any work if they gave one out? Stella has repaid many misdirected fees. So you should not say everything is bad about her, if she exists. I really would love GPP to pay out. I went in as a gamble for whatever it cost at the time. This is how you should treat anything like this. Not constantly slag them off. No one put a gun to your head.
Comment by Angie — 26th January 2009 @ 10:41 am
Angie,
Stella has played all her cards well. How much is a thousand dollar refund in comparison to a thousand more purchased because people were made to believe that she must be a sincere and honest person for refunding ‘misdirected’ fees. I take my hats and even all my clothes off for her. She IS one gifted SCAMMER! Let this be a painful lesson to us all wanting a hefty gain without ‘pain’.
Comment by Borat'sNiece — 26th January 2009 @ 3:02 pm
Amazing believe it or not……>
TEAM MEGA WEALTH still promoting GPP BENEFACTORING
======================================================================
WE HAVE SPACE FOR ANOTHER 50 FAMILIES TO BE BENEFACTORED INTO GPP.
WE WILL DEAL WITH THIS ON A FIRST COME FIRST SERVE BASIS.
INCORRECT DOCUMENTS WILL BE DISCARDED AS WE HAVE NO TIME LEFT
TO SEND BACK DOCUMENTS TO BE CORRECTED.
WE ARE STRICTLY SPONSORING ONLY ONE (1) PERSON PER FAMILY IN ORDER
TO HELP AS MANY FAMILIES AS POSSIBLE.
PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME MORE THAN ONE SET OF DOCUMENTS PER FAMILY AS WE
WILL NOT BENEFACTOR YOU IN AT ALL IF YOU DO.
ALL DOCUMENTS MUST BE SENT TO estelle@teammegawealth.com
Estelle
======================================================================
I wonder what will happen in 5 days…
Probably we will get an “update” a few days later after closing with the excuse the numbers haven’t been reached and the member will get the blame.
Comment by Bodowhee — 26th January 2009 @ 4:02 pm
CC……ExTaN…..one and the same perhaps?
CC, i asked a straight forward question, because you seem to think that just because your plan has told you to expect a debit card, that your plan is paying out! gpp have been saying that they will pay out for so long now that its laughable, one deadline after another. We only have their word for it how many docs have been sent in, and when gpp vanish we have no trail to follow, because there is no phone, address or names. is your plan an rpp? We would all like rpp’s to be real but the maths do NOT add up.
Comment by Blade68 — 26th January 2009 @ 6:34 pm
“I was told by a reliable “source†that GPP has reached 95% doc and payout in Feb? We are getting there slowly But surely.”
Comment by lijo – January 26, 2009 @ 6:45 am
FEBRUARY!? What happened to the end of January? Oh, the same thing that happened the other 2 ( or was it 3? its all a blurr) pay out dates in 2008. Complications ensude, problems arose. Darn it people, get in those forms its all your own fault this thing isnt paying out ya know… Those last 5% are real buggers.
honestly.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 26th January 2009 @ 6:35 pm
Yo! Yo! Yo!!
I cannot believe that people would be stupid enough to join one of these so called RPPs!!!
I have watched this forum for a while, and while usually silent, I had to say something. It is a crime to intentionally mislead investors into a “so called” investment vehicle and then scam those honest investors out of their funds!
I am appalled that there are as many uneducated investors out there. I would have thought that most people would have learned the difference in real investment choices and scams in high school in economics.
Unbelievable.
Comment by WatchDawg — 27th January 2009 @ 12:49 am
Here is a new one for you guys.
Check it out. Smells like SPAM, I mean SCAM to me!
http://www.noriskinvestment.net/about.php
Comment by WatchDawg — 27th January 2009 @ 1:56 am
Ben, here’s the story behind THEMCO’s disappearing blog:
“Hi Guys
No it has not been sold to a wealthy ex-Russian Spy this is just a rumour.
Regret to have to inform you that the BLOG TeamTHEMCO has published it’s last offering on WordPress. It has been archived which is upsetting having spent all afternoon constructing a post.
It so happens, with what I have learned from WBwso Ltd, that I was contemplating creating a website, so it looks as if that is what I must now do, sooner rather than later. What a bummer!!! Excuse me ladies.
The reasons given by WordPress were that we have violated one of their terms that:
the Content is not spam, is not machine- or randomly-generated, and does not contain unethical or unwanted commercial content designed to drive traffic to third party sites or boost the search engine rankings of third party sites, or to further unlawful acts (such as phishing) or mislead recipients as to the source of the material (such as spoofing);
What is done is done. Sorry if this inconveniences you but – we’ll be back!!! Where did I hear that.
Please advise your downlines uplines and sideways lines and anyone you know and who knows us, that we can be contacted at themco@gmail.com from where we will cover the interim situation with e-mailing the news pro tem.
Sad day!! Never mind ay!!
Terry
Themco”
Comment by JH — 27th January 2009 @ 5:12 am
Terry, perhaps WordPress thought you were promoting a scam (or two)!
Comment by Owen Platt — 27th January 2009 @ 9:34 am
PLEASE DO NOT SEND ME MORE THAN ONE SET OF DOCUMENTS PER FAMILY AS WE
WILL NOT BENEFACTOR YOU IN AT ALL IF YOU DO.
ALL DOCUMENTS MUST BE SENT TO estelle@teammegawealth.com
Estelle
Would Estelle be one and the same Estella in GPP??
ENOUGH SAID!
Comment by Borat'sNiece — 27th January 2009 @ 5:32 pm
It seems that one of the major promoter’s of GPP, Heather Wolfe, has jumped ship. She has posted to her faithful this missive, and I quote:
“With no viable leadership from GPP Admin, members have been
scrambling around for the past week like mice in maze. This is the result of “no leadership” and “no communication” from GPP.
As usual, no one really knows what is going on with this group and members seem to continue to ride the GPP roller coaster.
GPP Members are “down the rabbit hole” folks, chasing after Rabbit
here, there and everywhere for directions that do not exist.
As you know, I stopped recommending this program awhile back because there is no one running the show except random members who claim to know stuff from people who claim to be in the know. But all that we know is that no one knows anything.
Don’t you find this ridiculous?? “Oh Rabbit….???”
**************************
There are too many contradictions with the .tv website so use caution until someone running the show actually shows up.
A mass email went out that people tend to believe, however Stella
has previously stated she has no facility for mass emails and only
reports in the forum. This same email was also copied into the forum, which makes no sense because those reading the forum are already logged in.
If indeed the GPP website has been hi-jacked along with all of our information, WHO in their right mind would trust such an unstable group that is so open to this kind of thing?? It is truly baffling to me… I am presently at the “Tea Party.”
Whenever their site was compromised, they took control back quickly
so that members knew GPP was back in charge. That is not the case
this time.
You can read the latest post from the Team Themco Blog which pretty much expresses the theme of where everyone stands w/GPP.
It seems that GPP activity should be in FREEZE mode until information comes from Stella in a verifiable manner. No one should be down the rabbit hole on such an important issue.
Since I do not follow GPP, I have tried to refer you to those who do however, my blog will remain clean and clear of GPP.
No one should have to be left wondering as to the GPP site or status, or who’s in charge – or who has what information.
There is a bloke named “Dieter” who claims to have an “inside contact” but none of his information has ever coincided with anything Stella has reported. And, Stella has never appointed anyone as her spokesperson. Still, there are people who seem to consider “Dieter” a reliable source.
Now the Cheshire Cat has now morphed into one big crazy smile from his perch in the tree.”
Does this mean the fat lady has sung?
Comment by EagleOne — 29th January 2009 @ 12:43 am
“Does this mean the fat lady has sung?”
Sure looks like it. Nice of Heather Wolfe to finally stop promoting it now, after she has probably encouraged hundreds of people to join.
Nice, also, of the silly woman to reference the “TeamThemco” blog although perhaps a few days too late as it has now been kicked off WordPress as a result of promoting junk.
Just one point – was there ever any “viable leadership” in this GPP scam?
Comment by Ben — 29th January 2009 @ 8:50 am
[Edited by Ben to break up one long paragraph which was difficult to read]
Okay I couldn’t help to notice all this talk about GPP. What is GPP, and ect. Most people don’t even know their own bodies much less a investment deal. You really want to take it to the next level.
Our own monetary system is a a ponzi scheme but so well hidden nobody can see it. So the moment something like GPP comes a long or any other RPP people tend to forget what kind of environment were dealing with here.
GPP and all other RPP’s are a way to get out of this mess these big wigs running the show have created. We have entered a year of possibilities, and things that never could have happen before, will happen in a blink of and eye.
So many people waste so much energy talking about negative things they really convince them selves that’s their reality. GPP will pay out, because of people that know how to control their destines are behind this thing.
All physic Vampires that suck energy will eventually be removed from this planet. we have the ability to manifest what we want, but in the same token we can manifest what we don’t want just as fast. The human mind is so very weak, and can be broken down over night.
One can have a strong belief that things are going great then they come across some news on the net or where ever, and then they change their whole perception of their original thought. I say to all those reading things like this beware of the out come it will create in your own lives and families.
The internet is a giant collective consciousness, you can really tap into the good energy or the bad, and lead right back to your living room. Regardless of weather you can see it or believe it to be so. We the people need to take back our own lives, and its starts with understanding and applying these truths here. GPP is just one program out of millions.
Every program or thought or concept could come to fruition if one just understood the principles of how to bring them forth. So for all of you still in GPP focus on what you want, and that’s your payout. See it already here in your life as we speak.
For everybody else that reads that doesn’t like what i have to say your entitled to your opinion on how you want to reply. However I am forewarning you if you put any negative vibration into this positive flux of energy that i am creating through this portal called the internet, I can 10000000% guarantee you this.
The energy you throw back at this will come back to you 10000000% fold and create a out come you will not be so happy with. We want to bridge together in moments like this, not fight amongst each other.
Make a toast to life, great intentions lead to great thoughts, which lead to great outcomes. GPP will pay out, and many will use this to fuel their passions and changed the world. The question is how will this serve the greater good. Not will it every pay out…
That’s the total wrong thinking process. That is irrelevant, and it works against you. Good luck to all in all your en devours, and remember to see you have already reached every goal you set out for…
Comment by Christopher — 29th January 2009 @ 11:08 am
Ben – I’m so glad you edited Christopher’s piece.
I have never read such a load of codswallop in all my life!
Oops – forgot – it’s going to come back at me I’ve forgotten how many thousand fold.
Which is more than can be said for the chumps that have sent money to GPP.
Comment by Owen Platt — 29th January 2009 @ 3:01 pm
wow that piece by christopher, was so inspiring i’m going out right now, full of good vibes i’m going to buy a little chunk of that planet he lives on, a sure fire invesment for the future, forget RPP’s invest in christophers planet.!!!!
Comment by MARCO — 29th January 2009 @ 4:15 pm
Wow!! I know that I have rambled aimlessly in the past, but this one takes the cake!
That Christopher sure has alot on his mind.
However, (in my opinion) just because some people are negative towards GPP doesnt mean that they are negative towards life, like me, Im happy go lucky, puppy-esk if you will. Except for when it comes to GPP. Oh well,
Hey, what happened to Concerned (Extan) Citizen? First he says that its sad that people are on here daily, then HE is on here daily, then he disappears. He must have gotten that “debit card” in the mail (lol)?! Right.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 29th January 2009 @ 5:18 pm
Thanks Ben For Fixing my Paragraph
I forgot to put in the HTML code in here this morning my bad. Overall I was talking about everything on here Ben not just GPP. GPP just being the overall conversation on here. GPP isn’t the only game in town either, so focusing on the negative aspect of them not paying out doesn’t help anyone really. I am glad you found my paragraph inspiring and hope others will too. For the person that said “I have never read such a load of codswallop in all my life!
Oops – forgot – it’s going to come back at me I’ve forgotten how many thousand fold.Which is more than can be said for the chumps that have sent money to GPP.” You fail to realize certain laws of the universe on how energy travel backs. That’s the only thing I was referring too. Now what if GPP does pay out, how will you feel then? Your statements will have no meaning what so ever. We live in a world of doubtful minds. The impossible never being able to be become the possible. The world is changing, and soon you will see water power cars all over the place. Homes running off their own means of powering their homes away from the grid, and ect… This is a world of many possibilities so start attracting those possibilities.Ben as far investing in to my planet by all means go for it. I like how you worded that, because that is exactly how each one of us really is. We can really live in our own reality different from somebody else. So yes we all have our own little planet.:)
Comment by Christopher — 29th January 2009 @ 10:28 pm
You might have to fix that one too Ben LOL…. I put code in but left a few things out it looks like. I am new to that stuff… 🙂
Comment by Christopher — 29th January 2009 @ 10:31 pm
Actually I apologize Ben Marco is the one that Said the planet stuff. LOL 🙂
Comment by Christopher — 29th January 2009 @ 10:34 pm
Love the blog, dudes!!
Hey, why don’t we get the US congress to spend some of their TARP bailout money for Stella! The big CEOs on Wall Street are living it up right now in bonuses, so why not spread the wealth and give Stella and the other RPPs some as well!
From scammers to scammers! Birds of a feather….well, you know!
Comment by WatchDawg — 29th January 2009 @ 11:01 pm
~~~~~ <— negative vibes
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
~~~~~ Christopher’s post ~~~~~~
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And don’t even THINK about trying to push it back to me. I have a diode installed on internet connection so it only works one way! Ha! So there! Plus I’m wearing my trusty tinfoil hat!
Some of you guys kill me. lol
Comment by JH — 30th January 2009 @ 8:17 am
But JH, the tin foil hat is no good anymore unless it has the golden propeller on top. Just send me $35 and I’ll turn it into 55,000 gold propellers, but you have to get 100,000 others to do the same or I can’t do it.
Actually I was going to cut it to $10 as I got closer to 100,000, so I’ll just do it for an even $20 for all 100,000. This deal won’t last, so you have to get on board NOW!
Comment by EagleOne — 30th January 2009 @ 8:40 am
Now that I got that out of the way… ; )
Ben/Owen:
Themco’s new site is here: http://themco.net
He’s now pushing a new one called WBwso. Basically, it’s a HYIP mascarading as a company premised on a combination of a circa ~1995 business plan and a late night “make money with web sites” infomercial to take over the Internet one site at a time using adsense, Amazon, etc., doing site management, and flipping web sites to generate a 2,000% rate of return or better! Plus referrals of course and other kick ups. Check out the “How it Works” section for a good laugh. Impressive to say the least. 😉
His new site also is hosted with them. Sadly, it looks like he has +1,000 suckers lined up under him already for this one.
Looks like the guy shilling it on the usual forums is the same person who created the pages for their web site (domainman aka tomtom aka TOMAS). For such a cutting edge company planning to manage thousands of sites, you’d think that he’s at least use css for their own page. ; )
As you’ll see on the site, he’s supposed to be meeting with them for a due dilligence meeting on 1/30/2009. An earlier meeting was cancelled because the CEO was out of the country. Any takers for bets on the second?
Comment by JH — 30th January 2009 @ 8:54 am
Thanks Eagle… I can always use another. They wear out fast around here.
Comment by JH — 30th January 2009 @ 9:24 am
Hi JH Love the post dude. Energy penetrates everything. nice try though LOL… when you learn how to put a shield around your auric field then we can talk…
Comment by Christopher — 30th January 2009 @ 9:25 am
Christopher “You fail to realize certain laws of the universe on how energy travel backs”
Care to quote these laws for us mere mortals?
Comment by Owen Platt — 30th January 2009 @ 3:59 pm
GPP and it’s supporters are an absolute disgrace to society.
Comment by JohnQ — 30th January 2009 @ 7:06 pm
HI Owen, basically energy moves in a figure 8 manner. There is always a influx of energy going out, and also that same amount will also equal it going in. When understanding pyramids and the cap stone, you will have a bigger grasp on what this all means. I actually have a technology that teaches these principles if your interested. Where all immortal so you know… 🙂 Not sure what rules are here so I am respecting them and not putting a link, until I know for sure its okay.
Comment by Christopher — 31st January 2009 @ 2:16 am
Christopher: How and what causes energy to bend into the shape of a figure 8?
Comment by EagleOne — 31st January 2009 @ 8:58 am
UNDERSTANDING THE LAWS OF CREATION…
Eagle one its not shape per say its the understanding of
how energy always gos back to its creator. Or from the stand
point of understanding from the point that it started. Energy
works on a pressure system, it builds up a massive amount of
pressure then releases out into creation, then creation sends
it right back from where it originated from. The reason the
figure 8 symbol is used because of the relationship that is created.
There is never break in the cycle of energy. That’s why its important to understand theses laws. If you like you can Skype me for further understanding in this matter. This can really get into depth and it has to do a lot with Sacred Geometry and many other aspects.
Skype ID: cldominator
Comment by Christopher — 31st January 2009 @ 10:17 am
What????
Is this a blog about GPP and other scams or a physio-psycho physics class??
Comment by WatchDawg — 31st January 2009 @ 12:28 pm
Today is the big day for GPP investors, the 31st of January!
What will happen now Stella or will you update us somewhere around wednesday?
Comment by Bodowee — 31st January 2009 @ 5:25 pm
Watch Dog its about GPP however somebody asked a question and I answered it. If you don’t like it just skip that part… if anything it helps neutralize all the negativity on this blog about GPP… If you want to add something about GPP go for it. As you can the rest of it is…
Comment by Christopher — 31st January 2009 @ 10:31 pm
I reckon we shall be hearing from the Mighty Estella tomorrow?
Comment by Borat'sNiece — 1st February 2009 @ 4:49 pm
This has been going on from early 2007 and dead lines have come and gone. I dont care about losing the money I put in to this scam already. I just want to know who or where my personal information went to. Think about it guys,if you were to run a scam wouldn’t this be a perfect one? Get people to put in money, then tell them theres not enough people signed up,or the documants are not filled out corectly. We need to extend the dead line. How would we know for sure if they did or didn’t reach a 100,000 members.
KNOW ONE KNOWS FOR SURE.
Comment by Lifescope — 1st February 2009 @ 6:30 pm
looks like stella has finally done a runner.
website gone!
Comment by jacko — 2nd February 2009 @ 6:06 pm
We all wait with baited breath for the appearance of Stella. Will we be waiting for the rest of time?
Remember what ‘she’ said on November 20th 2008:
“The Final Deadline: 31st of January 2009
This date is absolute and means, that we MUST reach the initially set target of 100.000 qualified members. Otherwise the program closes without payout.”
Prediction – the program has closed without payout, as promised.
Comment by Ben — 2nd February 2009 @ 6:44 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen…The proverbial “FAT LADY HAS SUNG!!”
I give “Stella” a few months to enjoy the “fruits of her labors” and then they will probably show up in another program somewhere ready for round #2!!!
Comment by WatchDawg — 2nd February 2009 @ 7:16 pm
Well GPP website is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by VCJ — 2nd February 2009 @ 10:31 pm
Yes, and so is the link where you can buy more policies. Guess they didn’t hit their magical 100,000 yet. Stella, Stella, where are you? The faithful need to hear from you. They are getting restless.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd February 2009 @ 10:39 pm
When will this end?
I almost joined, fairly sure it woulndn’t pay out, but willing to risk 25 quid in the REMOTE chance it would pay out.
I decided to pull out when I was told they wanted a colour photocopy of my passport.
It is, infact, illegal for a company to keep a colour copy of a passport and no bank would do this.
Stella et al must have made a fortune. I beleive they have got far more than 100,000 people paid up…. then maybe any money they can make from selling the identity of any members.
If THIS were legitimate and legal way of making money, surely more people would have done it by now?
Comment by random passer by — 3rd February 2009 @ 10:01 am
Oh my, not again!!! snicker,snicker…
I hate to get my “aura” in a tither by sending out negative waves throught the univers, but here I go, well actually, I dont need to, we all know what Im gonna say. The same thing thats been said for years. You cant get something for nothing.
Stick to the lottery, its cheaper and its legal. (Ill fix my aura with a group hug later)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 3rd February 2009 @ 8:03 pm
sweep stakes on when this rubbish will finally finish?
Comment by random passer by — 4th February 2009 @ 5:39 pm
Let us assume for the moment that GPP have received the requisite number of correctly completed documents that will enable them to pay the promised amounts to their members.
This payment I understand will be by debit card through a “banking solution.†Quite what constitutes a “banking solution†I know not but presumably means by way of a bank.
Now in order to receive their debit card, GPP members will have to open a bank account with the selected bank as such a card can only be associated with an existing bank account. So they will have to fill out the appropriate application form to open the account and will also have to fund it in some way – you can’t have an account with no money in it!
Banks require considerably more information on a potential client than would be provided by the current GPP application so they will have to mail all clients with the appropriate application form from the bank.
I wonder why this has not been mentioned yet?
Comment by Owen Platt — 4th February 2009 @ 9:08 pm
Well Owen,
I had originally questioned; If you start a company for the sole purpuse of paying out, how come they didnt have a better pay out plan?
From what that psycho guy who was my friends GPP contact said, they offered for you to get your money transfered directly into your own checking account, with you then having to pay for taxes and explaining how you got this money (With GPP giving you a letter explaining its an early pension withdrawl, wich seems pretty legit, considering they would supply you with an explanation for the IRS,in turn you pay taxes on it, no big deal right?), or you can get the bank card without having to pay taxes b’cuz the tax man wouldnt know you got the money. So naturally people chose NOT to pay taxes and opted for the “banking solution”.
Then they scraped the direct deposit idea and stuck with the “banking solution” bank card. They decided that as late as feb 2008. Then there was a problem with the banking solution idea, so the Jan/Feb 08 payout was delayed..so on. Now its “policy” ID issues…whatever
Now, this company was started when? 2005 or so? Why wouldnt a key detail like that have been taken care of from the beggining?
I would guess my answer is that they never intended to pay out, so that detail was “overlooked”. But Im sure they had to keep the massess happy and “informed” so they came up with BS to keep people interested and calm.
I dont know what they initially told people waaay back in the beginning, I never asked my friend (who is a “policy” holder), she only bought a policy because her uncle had purchased some, so she never got any real details. Plus she bought it several years ago, her memory isnt that great. All she understood was, I give you $60.00 USD and you give me $80,000.00 back?! OK, here ya go…
So Im sure people have thought about it, but didnt really say anything? Who knows.
It doesnt matter in the long run! Shameful business that GPP.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 5th February 2009 @ 7:18 pm
You’re perfectly correct.
There was never any intention of paying out in the first place so the mechanism was academic.
And they can play on the average person’s lack of knowledge of the banking system to make such things as anonymous debit cards seem to be a reality.
Comment by Owen Platt — 5th February 2009 @ 8:08 pm
site and stella is finally gone.
🙂
Comment by justin — 6th February 2009 @ 1:10 pm
From GPP site:
“This site is suspended. If you are the owner, then please contact our Sales. Otherwise, please accept our apologies. Thank you for understanding.” (well, at least the “buy more policies” option is gone, along with the site…)
I can hear the fast lady singing, loud and clear:)
I’d like to hear some comments from the cheerleaders camp, how are they going to spin this latest turn of events…
Comment by Rokka — 6th February 2009 @ 2:02 pm
HERE YOU GO ROKKA
Enquires have gone out to all our contacts with Stella’s private e-mail address and as soon as we laern more we will post accordingly.
Probably something technical, no need to be concerned yet, but we have to say that the timing could not be worse.
TEAM THEMCO AS ALL THE ANSWERS (sorry Ben)
PS DID YOU MEAN FAT LADY OR WAS THAT A FRAUDULENT SLIP
Comment by MARCO — 6th February 2009 @ 4:25 pm
In memoriam: GPP
https://i582.photobucket.com/albums/ss264/rokka78/tombstone.jpg
I think now we can say that we have a closure…
Comment by rokka — 6th February 2009 @ 4:26 pm
The cheerleaders are busy paying into the next scam that GPP has set up!
Of course they wont call it GPP, it will be called IBYMB instead (short for “I got your money Bitches”) and Stella will be called Marie or something…
Just think in January of 08 when I was introduced to GPP, it sounded soooo good for a minute! But that little voice in the back of my screaming….a fool and his money, etc.
Im glad I kept my little $60.00.
How do these people sleep at night?? So sad.
And where is that hippy Christopher “Coombaya” guy? What about GPP’s negative energy? What kind of “Aura” do they have? He was so busy talking about us naysayers….
I’ll say it again, I make my money the honest way, and sleep well each night for it.
Take care everyone, and watch out for those “slippery” people!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 6th February 2009 @ 4:47 pm
Thats funny Rokka!!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 6th February 2009 @ 4:49 pm
“PS DID YOU MEAN FAT LADY OR WAS THAT A FRAUDULENT SLIP
Comment by MARCO – February 6, 2009 @ 4:25 pm”
Sorry Marco, I guess it was a FREUDIAN slip from my behalf. But you still got the point, right?
So, how’s the cheerleading business going nowadays since the website is gone?
Comment by Rokka — 6th February 2009 @ 9:12 pm
ROKKA
YOU MISUNDERSTAND IF YOU THINK I AM A CHEERLEADER, I MERELY STAND ON THE SIDELINES WITH A OPEN MIND, AND A LESS THAN VESTED INTEREST AS I THINK I ONCE EXPLAINED MY PARTNER WAS GIVEN SOME POLICIES VIA HER SCATTY SISTER IN THE “OL USA”.IT WOULD HAVE BEEN NICE IF THIS HAD PAIDOUT I MUST ADMIT, BUT I THINK I MUST NOW BOW DOWN TO STELLA AND THE GANG AND ADMIT WE’VE BEEN HAD !!!!
Comment by MARCO — 7th February 2009 @ 10:56 am
What I don’t understand is the refusal of themco to admit that like us, they have been duped. Com’mon, if Stella and GPP were genuine, they would notify us all (or if they prefer themco, then notify themco first hand, knowing they will announce it to the world.
GPP is gone, kaput, finished! The important question now is what should we( members)do to put her to justice? Not to move on, no!!! But to pull ourselves together so the likes of Stella will not victimize ever again!
Comment by Borat'sNiece — 7th February 2009 @ 3:07 pm
Just wondering, but according to a poster on another forum, the players behind GPP were a German couple who fled the country and ended up in South Africa hiding out. Hmmm, wasn’t the EXTAN’S from South Africa? Notice how quiet the EXTAN’s became about the same time as Stella did? Wonder if there is any connection?
Comment by EagleOne — 8th February 2009 @ 8:52 am
BEN this is a reply i got from a scarcastic remark on team themco forum “print it at your will or not”
Comment by MARCO — 8th February 2009 @ 11:49 am
Thanks Marco, interesting reading indeed.
What I wonder, and I apologise as this sidetracks from the subject of GPP, is why WBWSO.com is owned and registered by the same person who owns themco.net.
“Terry” on the Themco blog pushes WBWSO.com as if he is a third party using quotes like:
So what I would like to know, and “Terry” could answer this in a split second, is:
Is WBWSO.com organised, managed and owned by the same person who owns and runs Themco.net?
Comment by Ben — 8th February 2009 @ 12:37 pm
I have come across another new plan similar to the GPP called GCPP (global connect pension plan). I am wondering if these are the same people behind the scenes, making more money under a different name, with the same identical ethics??????
Comment by Pearl — 8th February 2009 @ 3:24 pm
I saw this on another forum, but I had to share it with you all. I cannot give you the name of the poster, as the poster is anonymous, but I almost split a gut laughing when I read this. So whoever wrote this, an AWESOME job. I am still laughing, but here it is:
“Unregistered;76009:
A man walks up to a ice cream stand and asks for a “payout” sundae.
The guy behind the counter says “sorry sir, we’re completely out of “payout”, how about “vanilla”?
Man says no, I think I’ll take a “payout” cone, double-dip.
Guy behind counter says “sorry, sir, we have absolutely no “payout”. How about strawberry?
Hmm.. maybe I’ll have a “payout” banana split.
Guy behind counter says “look, can you spell the the VAN in vanilla?
Man, confused, says, “well.. sure! V-A-N”
Guy behind counter says “Good! Can you spell the STRAW in Strawberry?”
Man: “Yeah, S-T-R-A-W”
Guy behind counter says “Good! Now can you spell the FARK in payout?”
Man says “There isn’t any farkin payout!!!!”
Guy says “Well, that’s what I’ve been trying to tell you!”
Comment by EagleOne — 8th February 2009 @ 10:44 pm
Ben:
Terry has the Themco.net site hosted by the same group behind WBWSO.com. Looks like he also let them do the domain registration and when they did, it was done in their name versus his (not a good practice since they now control it). That’s why the whois information is the same for both.
Comment by JH — 9th February 2009 @ 5:51 am
To whom it may concern,
Does anyone really know whats going on regarding the global pension payout?
You read certain items on this website and obviously it seems to me that people have had contact with ‘Stella’ so if they do know whats going on and it is a fraud surely they should be giving the necessary information to the police so that it can be investigated.
It would be nice to know the truth so that everyone can put it to bed and stop the wishful thinking of a payout.
Perhaps someone out there will be kind enough to let us all know what is really going on
Comment by Andrew Turner — 9th February 2009 @ 10:17 am
No-one knows what is going on.
And, as for going to the police, what exactly are you going to tell them?
“I sent $xx dollars to an anonymous egold account because somebody (I don’t know who) promised me a massive payout if I gave them money and sent various extremely private documents to an anonymous email address“
Comment by Ben — 9th February 2009 @ 2:28 pm
I DON’T QUITE KNOW WHAT THE POINT OF THIS IS BUT IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TRY ………………..
Click on http://209.249.221.14/login.php to login or alternatively
click on to : http://209.249.221.14/members/secret/0000_sjdnxce9r_0000/index.php to access the message board.
Now all that we need is a post from Stella.
Comment by MARCO — 9th February 2009 @ 10:08 pm
Keeping mum and quite while the members mourned, creating wrath among the GPP members.
Stella, IS Time to explain
Comment by Lifescope — 10th February 2009 @ 11:01 am
Confirmation reply is AUTOMODE. Weak up peoples
GPP Working “invisibly background”.
BULLSHIT…..
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Themco forum:
Working invisibly in the background.
We have to thank Ashok from India, (The WBWSO Gold Class Racer who promises to set the track alight), for his initiative in sending a mail to GPP.
Hello Terry,
To day I sent an email to GPP for test and I received confirmation reply it means web site is working but we are unable to open it. Here is copy of reply from GPP documents to Ashok Bagaria date Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 2:30 PM subject confirmation for TEST hide details 2:30 PM (4 minutes ago) Reply
Dear Member,
Your email has been received.
Thank you!
Regards,
GPP Team
Invisibility is taking anonymity to another level!!
Just nice to know that the website is still working, even though the majority of the membership cannot see it.
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Comment by Lifescope — 10th February 2009 @ 5:14 pm
I suggest you use this website to increase your chances of making money online…
http://www.witchescorner.com/lottery-spells.html
After all- I feel it is just as likely to lead to a pay out ad the ever famous GPP.
Comment by random passer by — 10th February 2009 @ 6:08 pm
Do we belong there? Do we not?
It doesn’t’ matter how you would answer that question …. because we are there we’re tired, and we can’t see the end. We can’t event console ourselves that our enemy is just as tired as we are. Because they’re not.
It is a fallacy that prolonged war will weaken an occupied enemy… It most likely will make your enemy stronger. They get used to the deprivation and they adopt and respond accordingly.
While here at home with every date reported… We have to deal with a public opinion trajectory that, slides rapidly from supportive to negative to downright hostile. People just get sick and tired of a moment’s silence at a ball game. They just wanna be told it’s over. Despite the fact we have markedly increased our operational intensity we’re not seeing any progress. What we’re dealing with here is potentially a global conflagration that requires constant diligence in order to suppress.
Comment by Lifescope — 10th February 2009 @ 7:50 pm
Its baaaack
but with a very useless update on the “forum”
Comment by Magoo — 10th February 2009 @ 8:05 pm
I agree with the update. Useless.
Comment by VCJ — 10th February 2009 @ 8:14 pm
Is it me or is Stella trying to relive 2008 again. Is she not aware that it is now 2009. Maybe that is where all the trouble lies, she still thinks it is last year and still has until Jan 31, 2009 before she has to let us in on anything
Comment by Edward — 11th February 2009 @ 4:27 am
Lifescope: have you been watching “Body of Lies” a little too often? Although the name seems to be appropriate.
Comment by Juan — 11th February 2009 @ 11:21 am
Hi Juan,
No is called “Global Pension Lies”
Global Members converge on the streets preparing for the ultimate battle of light versus darkness and good versus evil.
Genres: Suspense/Adventure/Fantasy and Adaptation
Running Time: No ending
Release Date: February 13th, 2006
MPAA Rating: Comedy, some pervasive language, some mild language and thematic elements
Distributors:
Team Mega Wealth
Themco
JudahlionNetwork’s
Cast and Credits:
Starring: Stella
Produced by: Stella
Directed by: Stella
Global Box Office: Euro 15,000,000 to date & rising
Trailers & Clips
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JudahlionNetworks
HI FRIENDS AND FAMILY,
Just wanted to inform you, those of you who have not found yet, that the Global Pension Plan is back up now. You can enter new members and all the contracts you want.
You can join through my GPP link:
[GPP affiliate link removed]
Blessings,
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Themco.net
GPP – Website back for all to see.
Well it is not much of a post and Stella has obviously forgotten where the member’s area is, but we are sure that everyone will be delighted to see it.
For those who cannot access it, we copy it below:
10th of February, 2008
Note
Dear Members,
Our website is up and running again! Please visit your member area to check for the latest updates! Regards,
Stella
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Team Mega Wealth
GPP SITE IS BACK!
mmmmm MAY I SAY I TOLD YOU SO? LOL!!!
Estelle
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Comment by Lifescope — 11th February 2009 @ 5:50 pm
Global Pension Lies : Breaking news
Member counter informs in GPP site: Total members in our plan: 100.000
Counter need to calibrate.
Only blind don’t know fact that 230 000+.members have been conned. Forum member id was true counter – exposed – reason why forum shutted down.
Scam will go on. You braindead may send your money even after “dead line
Comment by Lifescope — 11th February 2009 @ 6:01 pm
Phew
At least the people who didn’t sign up can now go and buy more policies. Excuse me while I rush to sign up.
I would LOVE to see ‘Stellas’ house, car and holidays. She was probably on a luxury break whilst the site was down.
Which month is the new payout in now?
My friend joined, and he is still CONVINCED it will payout.
Comment by random passer by — 11th February 2009 @ 7:32 pm
was it my imagination, or did someone on this forum say that people had received refunds of their money when they pulled out of the GPP?
Funny that,
on the FAQ section of the website it CLEARLY states no refunds are avaliable….
Comment by random passer by — 11th February 2009 @ 9:38 pm
The refunds that you are talking about were to those people who tried to sign up and their sign ups failed or were not excepted for some reason.
Comment by Mred — 12th February 2009 @ 11:49 pm
GPP – “CONVINCE in will payout” – BS
Read the latest report “Finance Week” by Drew Carter
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$5 TRILLION in Global Pension Assets up in SMOKE
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Only market where assets actually grew last year was Germany. So why was that?
By Drew Carter
January 26, 2009 1:52 PM ET
(Pensions & Investments)—Pension assets of the 11 largest pension markets fell 19% in 2008, taking about $5 trillion out of retirement coffers, according to a new Watson Wyatt Worldwide report.
Paired with an increase in liabilities, the fall resulted in a 29.4% decline in the asset-to-liability ratio for global pension funds. Watson Wyatt found that pension assets constituted 61% of the average GDP of the 11 countries at year-end 2008, down from 72% a decade ago.
“To meet the demographic crunch ahead, countries need the advanced funding of pensions to grow relative to the size of their economies,†Roger Urwin, global head of investment content at Watson Wyatt, said in a news release. “This is a wake-up call for governments worldwide to engineer bigger allocations to pension savings.â€
Pension fund assets grew by an average annualized 12% for the five years ended Dec. 31, 2007.
All countries saw significant losses except Germany, where funds benefited from high bond allocations.
Average allocations to equities have fallen in the five years through year-end 2008 to 41.5% from 50.7% for the seven largest pension markets. Bonds increased to 40.2% from 36.2%, while “other†assets— primarily real estate but also alternative investments such as private equity and hedge funds—rose to 16.5% from 11.7%, and cash increased to 1.8% from 1.4% in the period.
The U.S., Japan and the U.K. remained the three largest pension markets by asset size, while Canada, Australia, Netherlands and Switzerland rounded out the top seven. Following were Germany, France, Ireland and Hong Kong. The top seven countries held about 97% of total assets, with the U.S. alone accounting for more than 60%.
Write to the editors at fw_editor@financialweek.com
Comment by Lifescope — 13th February 2009 @ 8:21 am
Maybe Im confused, but I dont think that GPP “pension pay out plan” is considered a Real investment plan, so showing statistics of actual legitamite investments is besides the point.
Its like comparing a mouse to a row boat. Big difference!
This is a scam, a get rich quick scheme that has hooked a bunch of people, so to that I say, cut the line and move on. We cant sue them, cant get a refund, we dont have actual contact people(not ones that count anyway), and the money is gone.
Morally, they will get thiers in the end. I just hope that the money will become destructive in their hands, I hope that it will make them argue and fight and eventually they will dissolve into nothingness and hopefully will be deeper in debt than before they started to scam people! (Im making a Hex sign with my hand! lol)
You know, what comes around…..
oh well.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th February 2009 @ 5:47 pm
1645
All about “Chain Reaction”
Comment by Lifescope — 14th February 2009 @ 7:03 pm
GPP new update from JudahLion – Buy more policies – Anyone??
February 10, 2009 post from big lady Judahlion
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HI FRIENDS AND FAMILY,
Just wanted to inform you, those of you who have not found yet, that the Global Pension Plan is back up now. You can enter new members and all the contracts you want.
[GPP affiliate link removed]
Blessings,
JudahLion
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Comment by judahlionnet | February 16, 2009
Hi JL,
The date that GPP posted was January 31; however, our understanding is that they are counting and processing the documents. In the meantime, they have left the site open for those who want to join up. In the past, they had to reject 5,000 documents so it is good that they have left it open in case they come up short with the numbers. If we don’t reach the 100,000 no one would get paid. Don’t you think it is better that GPP left the sign up open to ensure that we reach the numbers and as a result ensure our payout.
There are many hateful people that would like to see the program stopped — just to prove that it doesn’t work. But I feel confident that it will work.
Blessings,
JudahLion
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Comment by Lifescope — 16th February 2009 @ 7:40 pm
Yeah!! They “rejected” 5000 documents so now theres room to buy more!
What luck.
YAWN…
Honestly, stop already!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 17th February 2009 @ 5:35 pm
GPP scam promoter…..poor lady…….never ending story…?
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Hi Judahlion,
“our understanding is that they are counting and processing the documentsâ€
So, you do have direct information from gpp backoffice? If so, can we still buy more policies?
Comment by Shirley | February 16, 2009
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Hi Shirley,
Yes, we can buy more GPP policies until the sign-up portion of the website closes. We are still purchasing more contracts.
Blessings,
JudahLion
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Hi Judahlion,
I was just informed by my up line that GPP already gone for good. My up line information was connected to asiamore (I don’t know what he means by asiamore?). And it seems highly reliable. When I received the news everything was too late I’ve already signed up.
I purchased 5 more policies for family members just 12 hours ago with LR payment confirmed is done but received no confirmation from GPP. I also submitted all ID with MA via mail but received no confirmation.
Please tell me what is going on at GPP??
The reason I purchase more policies mainly based on your advised in your posting. I do hope that you are not telling lies about GPP! I am poor single women with 2 young children’s and I do hope GPP will work. And I pray to God GPP will not scam our hard earned money.
It has been 20 hours and I’m still not getting any new members update profile from GPP site and no ID confirmation from email.
Please Judahlion if you know something just tell me.
Comment by Shirley | February 17, 2009
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Comment by Joseph — 17th February 2009 @ 6:15 pm
Intresting posting from judahlionnet.wordpres Feb 17 ….
Dear Shirley,
You have been fool by Judahlion. I can understand how you’re going through in the last 24 hours. You have my sympathy and support. This is not the end of the world stay strong and be brave. Think of your childrens.
Scammers have no moral integrity. You have done no wrong and should not be ashamed of your investment. You have broken no law and everyone has a right to mistake.
Those individuals who had posted false information on the Internet is unscrupulous.
We know that what has happened is clearly scam motivated
I hope the cyber police’s action to carry out a comprehensive investigation. Whoever is found to be in the wrong must be brought to justice.
Comment by Honneger | February 17, 2009
Comment by Joseph — 17th February 2009 @ 6:55 pm
If you go to check the biggest finnish GPP scammers site, and that is the one of Matti Kärsämä: http://www.financia4us.com/
You can see that Matti removed everything about GPP from his site.
Now, why would he do that I wonder…?
I think I mentioned here earlier on that, If some “program” that Matti promotes turns out to be a scam(well, mostly all of them are scams), he’ll be sure to remove it from his site. And now it was GPPs time to go…
Comment by Rokka — 17th February 2009 @ 8:42 pm
Anyone what happened to GPP? Payout Feb?
Comment by Joseph — 19th February 2009 @ 5:17 pm
Sure Joseph, February (2009?, 2020? 3025? lol!)
You might wanna scroll down and read some of the posts, it wont take you long to figure out whats up. 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 19th February 2009 @ 5:46 pm
I wonder were all the money collected promoted by Themco called Stella Children’s Charity Fun??
Comment by Joseph — 19th February 2009 @ 6:48 pm
If “Stella” has a heart at all, “she” would contribute to “her” charity fund for children.
I mean, ripping off random people is one thing, but to say that they have a charity and NOT contribute to it would be just wrong on a whole nother level.
I hope they can keep their word on at least that, infact that would make me feel better about these losers! Then I would look at it as a contribution towards children instead of blatently being lied to and ripped off.
Does she have an actual name for her charity? Can it be looked up online? Or is she just saying she is contributing to some random childrens charity in the name of herself or GPP? Does anyone know?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 19th February 2009 @ 8:20 pm
Duh! My apologise, I didnt read your post correctly about the name of the charity.
I did try looking up online “Stella(s) childrens charity fund”, and found nothing specific under that. There are a couple of other names of charities that have a person named Stella working for them, but that can be anyone in the world! And all the Stellas have different last names, do we know gpp’s stella’s last name?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 19th February 2009 @ 8:46 pm
AND THEY DID A “RUNNER”!!! Long time ago!
WHY r people still buy policies. R you nuts?!
Comment by Runaway — 20th February 2009 @ 7:21 am
I JUST HAD TO COPY THIS FROM THE LATEST STELLA UPDATE,REMEMBER I TOLD YOU ABOUT ANOTHER RPP THAT WAS CLOSING (RECOMMENDED BY HEATHER WOLFE)WHENEVER A E-MAIL WAS RECEIVED FROM “MEGA PENSION” IT ALWAYS COMMENTED ON GPP AND NOW THIS LATEST UPDATE, COINCIDENCE OE WHAT ??!!
The Trust Partner has been consulting an international consortium for the last two years and helping them to set up a similar project as GPP. Their work has come to an end now, as the new project is about to take off shortly
Comment by MARCO — 20th February 2009 @ 6:33 pm
WITH REGARD TO THE CHARITY HADN’T THER USED TO BE A CHILDRENS CHARITY LOGO ON THE GPP WEBSITE BUT WAS REMOVED WHEN THE CHARITY SAID THEY HADN’T BEEN CONTACTED BY GPP, OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES !!
Comment by MARCO — 20th February 2009 @ 6:40 pm
I like how they call it a “project”!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 20th February 2009 @ 8:36 pm
From my upline!
Hi guys, encouraging news from GPP. 83,441 documents accepted and 15,000 rejected for corrections. The 15,000 have been contacted by e-mail to re-submit their documents. If you received an e-mail please respond promptly. Log-in and check out the “Forum” for the latest news dated 20 Feb/09 (scroll down to the bottom of page). Assuming the 15,000 re-submit and are accepted then only 1559 new members are needed to close the program! Cheers!
When will Estella stop???
Comment by Borat'sNiece — 21st February 2009 @ 5:45 am
1660
“encouraging news from GPP”. BS….
No payout and and now they’re talking about new project???
How do we know the exact no of MA accepted?
Never ending story and more BH – PERIOD
Comment by Joseph — 21st February 2009 @ 10:28 am
What a crock of BS. !!!!!!!
If these guys pay out I’ll eat my shirt!
Stunned Stella latest updates – “The Trust Partner has been consulting an international consortium for the last two years and helping them to set up a similar project as GPP. Their work has come to an end now, as the new project is about to take offâ€
For what? They reached their 100,000 and still have not closed the program what the hell is that? More BS!
This is now the FOURTH year and they are just NOW looking for Trust Partner and no mentioned about banking solution. Hell that was indicated on their site they had a banking solution / trust partner and a debit card over four years ago. Isn’t that why most members joined?
No answers to e-mails from stunned Stella. The forum stinks of Bob Proctor’s philosophy garbage….the secret! Who the hell needs that crap! Yes, Global pension is a “SECRET†all right! We are obviously a lot of fools taking a risk with high hopes that only serve the interest of Stella and her billionaire investors or whoever the hell they are? Do you know? No one that I know has any knowledge of who they are, where they are, or for that matter what they are doing or when they will pay out if ever. Every day this sounds more and more like a huge SCAM!!!! Wouldn’t you agree?
False hopes, False desires. They guy was right you would be far better to go and get a job! It sure will increase my faith in human nature if this global pension plan ever pays out. I hope it does for everyone’s sake!!!!
Comment by Alipitchay — 22nd February 2009 @ 6:38 pm
Alipitchay, Where is your ability to read ? We are NOT 100.000 verifi ed, and correct documents sent in…where have you read that ? And the New Trust Partners have been there for more than a year…so why do you think GPP need to find others ? This it BS from one person (YOU) …
Comment by Patrik — 23rd February 2009 @ 11:13 am
Wow!!
Im speechless, still people with faith in gpp. Well, I guess some people have to have faith in something in order to keep going on in life.
I do too, but it isnt gpp! I believe in myself, my family, my friends, my abitility to work and hold a job.
But, to each his own.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 23rd February 2009 @ 4:35 pm
Patric, how do u know we hv not reached the 100 varified MA? Do u really believe scum Stella?
If you know something tell us. If not stop talking BS.
Comment by Alipitchay — 23rd February 2009 @ 4:42 pm
15,000 have been contacted?
At least one of those people must read this blog so please can someone paste the email in here?
My guess is that NO-ONE can paste that email because none were ever sent.
But, worry not says ‘Stella’ because GPP are bringing out a new project to take even more money from the more easily duped around the world.
Stunning.
Comment by Ben — 23rd February 2009 @ 10:41 pm
If they contacted 15,000 for wrong documents, why have I not been contacted? My problem may not be wrong documents but I am a member, too. Each member should be as important as the other if we are talking about reaching a goal. We reached 100K membership in August 2007. I believe with the sale, she must have gotten 200K more.
Let’s not kid ourselves here.And please, for those who are thinking of investing in the new program when the existing program hasn’t paid yet, get a grip of yourselves. Fool us once, shame on them. Fool us twice, shame on us!
Comment by Borat'sNiece — 24th February 2009 @ 12:21 pm
The sharks like judahlion, team themco, and of course the crown king of them all ASIA MOORE. nobody seems to care about their web pages and warning people.
Have you noticed in Team Mega Wealth a forum that of GPP about to wipe out . Hmm , one wonders what these guys are up to re the latest updates from Stella saying there is another one in the pipeline and for us all to be patient .
Stay Tuned as there’s plenty more to come .
Comment by Dino — 24th February 2009 @ 3:47 pm
Alipitchay, yes you are right…i can not know if the MA is full…but i read what she says…not try to make my own story. By the way , i know someone that get that private “correction document” mail from Stella.
Comment by Patrik — 24th February 2009 @ 11:03 pm
Hi Patrik,
it would be rather good to have this email from Stella quoted on this forum. Maybe you can get your friend to send you a copy so you could supply it to us here. Your efforts are very much appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Comment by snartmor — 25th February 2009 @ 7:44 pm
Anyone receive mail from Stella
Comment by Dino — 28th February 2009 @ 7:35 pm
Where’s Patrik now? Suddenly quiet..
Comment by Borat'sNiece — 1st March 2009 @ 5:19 pm
Where have all the EXTAN’s gone? Wonder if they are getting the inside scoop on the next scam this so-called trust has helped put together?
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd March 2009 @ 7:22 am
I´m Still here, i have called her 3 times…but no answer 🙁
Comment by Patrik — 2nd March 2009 @ 11:28 am
Patric,
Don’t be fooled by your friend no RPP or GPP ever pay. Is a scams Period. Trust me I’ve been in this business for the last 11 years and not a single plan pay. Stella latest posts nothing but all liars just keeping members calm. Eventually they will disappear quietly.
Comment by Dino — 3rd March 2009 @ 7:25 am
Dino, you a member of e65 ?
Comment by cards — 3rd March 2009 @ 11:54 am
Cart,
No. I’m not a member of e65.
Comment by Dino — 3rd March 2009 @ 5:47 pm
@ Dino : Thanks for replying. But you heard/knew about it ?
Comment by cards — 4th March 2009 @ 3:57 am
@ Dino : When you said you’ve been in the business for the last eleven years, do you mean HYIP world or RPP ? Was there any RPP before GPP which “appeared” in 2005 ?
Comment by cards — 4th March 2009 @ 4:16 am
Cards,
Proof to All GPP believers. Read the below posting from themco.net
GPP – Information from reliable sources.
March 3rd, 2009
Stella’s lastest post warranted investigation and we have been doing so, to the best of our ability.
We warn you that you are not going to like the findings, so read our concluding remarks first, if you have a weak heart.
We have heard back from two Team Leaders, who have access to Stella via her private e-mail address, that they have not been asked to consider promoting GPP2 and bring in their downlines also. We consider that these guys would be at the top of the Trust Partner’s list, to be invited to handle the new package.
We heard from the same people that none of their downline members, had received e-mails from Stella, inviting them to re-submit their incorrect ID docs. Now having regard for the size of the team of one of these guys, reputed to be in excess of 20K the law of averages says that this is impossible, BUT IMPOSSIBLE!!!!!!
We also have two of our own readership who have purposely submitted incorrect ID Docs, but have had no response from Stella.
In conclusion – are you still breathing.
We have held the opinion for six months or so now that GPP has had the numbers, 100K + of correctly presented ID docs, supported by our own investigations.
If you have been about since the mid 2007s you will remember we used to prepare for GPP the Time Line Forecast every week, so we put these retained records to good use when interpreting a source of information that was brought to our attention.
Like it or not, and of course none of us like it, we are being stalled for some good reason unbeknown to us.
Think about all the meaningless numbers that Stella has been posting and her request for more sign up and ID docs. It has all been done to either scam us out of the registration and AP fees – WHICH WE DO NOT BELIEVE – or it has been to distract us and keep us occupied and focussed elsewhere.
Had Stella stated 6 months ago that the 100K of correctly presented docs where to hand then her life would have been a nightmare, with everyone complaining about the time it was taking to pay out etc., etc. Well that is if she read any of her e-mails.
Something significant must be going on behind the scenes that you and us are not party to. Stella appears to be out of further stalling options, but the one thing that you can say about our Stella and is that she is resourceful. So be prepared for a few weeks wait yet.
In the meantime we have asked Stella to confirm that the official cut off date for the GPP programme is 1st February 2008, since this information has been removed from the Forum/ Message Board, but one of our readership very kindly supplied us with a copy.
Incidentally all the people that have access to Stella via her private e-mail address are very calm and chilled out, so that must tell us something. What do they know that we do not.
Comment by Dino — 4th March 2009 @ 8:13 am
@Dino, I’m not “GPP/Stella believer”. I think they’re a scam. But I’m just curious when you said that you’ve been in this business for eleven years. Did you mean HYIP world or RPP in particular? Thanks for answering..
Comment by cards — 4th March 2009 @ 8:18 am
Someone should point out to TeamThemCo it is 2/1/09, not 2/1/08; but 1/31/09 was the drop dead date.
As for none of the big groups being asked to join what they call GPP2, not surprising. They have to wait a short while to let people cool down from GPP being a scam, before they will try to promote GPP2. If anyone is dumb enough to join GPP2, they desearve to lose every dime. Stupid is as stupid does.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th March 2009 @ 8:18 am
what happend to Mike Check 🙂 ?
Comment by extan — 6th March 2009 @ 1:52 pm
Update re Ben Seigler’s part in this scam.
Self-proclaimed pastor gets 8 years for fraud
Benjamin J. Seigler
By Tim McGlone
The Virginian-Pilot
© February 26, 2009
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Benjamin J. Seigler claimed to have earned $40 million as a solo investor. He told clients he had “more gold chains than Mr. T,” bought mansions and owned 10 cars.
But the truth was that Seigler lived in a small apartment, had no income and himself had been swindled by the same scheme he had perpetrated on others – 5,600 others. In a span of just six months, Seigler collected more than $1.4 million.
On Wednesday, a federal judge sentenced Seigler to eight years in federal prison and ordered him to repay every dime.
Seigler, 43, of Pall Mall Street, pleaded guilty earlier to four counts of mail fraud, admitting that he stole the funds by soliciting investments that came to him through the mail.
“I’m sorry,” Seigler told the judge. “I acknowledge the mistakes I made, and I learned my lesson.”
The government seized about $1.3 million from Seigler and will be able to immediately repay about 92 percent of the victims. Seigler will be obligated to repay the rest when he gets out of prison.
One of Seigler’s earliest investors was Chandra Anand of Germantown, Md. Anand said this week that he learned of Seigler’s opportunity through a friend in Seattle.
Anand phoned in on one of Seigler’s twice-daily conference calls in October 2007 and was hooked on the idea of a quick, high-yield return. An investment of as little as $55 would return $154,000 in just a few months. Seigler called the earnings “blessings” and frequently invoked scripture in his sales pitches.
“God will give us all the blessings next month,” Anand recalled hearing Seigler say during one of the calls.
Anand, who owns a marketing company, sank nearly $16,000 into Seigler’s “Global Pension Insurance Trust.” But none of it ever was invested. Seigler hoarded the money in a local credit union.
During six months of sales pitches, money orders flowed in to Seigler. When the money orders arrived – from across the country and from Canada, Puerto Rico and the Virgin Islands – Seigler would head over to the Norview post office and cash them.
His frequent visits raised suspicions at the post office.
Anand said he also became suspicious around April 2008 when he saw no returns on his money. When his calls went unanswered, he drove to Norfolk and knocked on Seigler’s door.
Seigler told him to be patient. The money was sent oversees and the returns were due any day.
“With the blessings of God we will all be fine,” Anand recalled Seigler saying.
Seigler had sent a few thousand dollars to an investment called Global Pension Plan, which is run through an Internet site. That money disappeared and he stopped sending more.
When federal authorities obtained search warrants for his house and bank account, they discovered more than $1 million.
They also learned that Seigler was trying to buy a $685,000 house in Chesapeake. He already had used thousands to buy several vehicles and a Harley-Davidson motorcycle. He was arrested before the home sale was finalized.
“The defendant was seeking to spend that money as quickly as he could,” Katherine Lee Martin, an assistant U.S. attorney, told the judge at Seigler’s sentencing hearing, held Tuesday and Wednesday.
With the money and property forfeited, the authorities obtained around $1.3 million to refund Seigler’s victims.
Seigler’s lawyer, John Fletcher, asked the judge for leniency, citing his client’s assistance in collecting the names of the 5,600 victims and the amounts owed each person.
U.S. District Judge Rebecca B. Smith balked at that, calling Seigler’s actions “sheer greed.”
“At least, luckily, it did not go on for a lengthy time,” she said of the scheme.
Tim McGlone, (757) 446-2343, tim.mcglone@pilotonline.com
Comment by JH — 6th March 2009 @ 6:19 pm
reference to god
hmmm
sounds familiar! I must admit I think using reference to god in this manner is dispicable
(from judahlions latest post)
I SAY TO YOU KEEP BELIEVING GOD FOR YOUR BREAKTHROUGH. GOD HAS SET UP MANY VEHICLES TO BLESS HIS PEOPLE AND THE BLESSINGS ARE SOON TO COME TO PASS. OBVIOUSLY, THE DEVIL IS RILED UP. He doesn’t want to see us blessed. Someone who can curse God who created him doesn’t have much of a future, in fact the judgment of God is upon him unless he repents – if he gets a chance to repent. The judgment will be swift. He has attacked God in the worst way – if you heard the language that he has used against God, the God that we love and worship. In Psalm 14 the Bible says The FOOL says in his heart that there is no God and that he won’t serve God.
Comment by random passer by — 6th March 2009 @ 11:36 pm
Well, we are now more than a month past the FINAL DROP DEAD date, but it wasn’t, Stella is working overtime, wonder what Stella will now set as the FINAL FINAL DROP DEAD (Deadline #8) date?
Comment by EagleOne — 7th March 2009 @ 7:30 pm
I’VE MENTIONED THIS MANY TIMES BUT HAS ANY BODY ELSE NOTICED HOW MANY “RPPs” are coming to an end at the moment, if you check out various other bloggs etc all the cheerleaders are anticipating their rpp to close soon and start paying out, this has got to be more than coincidence even with god on our side.!!
Comment by MARCO — 8th March 2009 @ 6:59 pm
They ‘re all ready to disappear and run away with the money, you f00l.
Comment by cards — 9th March 2009 @ 3:47 am
My goodness that Judahlion guy is a talker.
Im pretty sure though that God doesnt like people who use HIS name in an effort to scam people either.
Sell Juda SELL!!! or wait, is it Judahlion or just plain Judis? Ha Ha Ha
He’s the one that needs to repent. He and Stella will have a comfy cozy warm place to stay someday if you truly believe in such things.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 9th March 2009 @ 4:16 pm
Ive got no clue. But ive got hope. And thats all there is……… love you ALL!!!!!!!!! What did you dream last night….. think about it. Thats your answer. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooooooooo
Comment by Ninja — 10th March 2009 @ 11:48 am
Ninja: In regard to your statement, and I quote: “Ive got no clue. But ive got hope. And thats all there is……… love you ALL!!!!!!!!! What did you dream last night….. think about it. Thats your answer. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxooooooooooooooooo”
Well, last night I dreamed that GPP was proven to be a massive Ponzi, Stella and the Trust Partners were arrested, and the major promoter’s were also arrested and charged. Great answer!
Comment by EagleOne — 13th March 2009 @ 2:12 am
I had a dream that all my teeth fell out and my skin turned purple.
dreams don’t always come true!
Comment by random passer by — 13th March 2009 @ 1:23 pm
Awful quite about GPP what happened??????????????
Comment by Dino — 17th March 2009 @ 8:16 pm
Yikes! My skin has turned purple, and all my teeth fell out! Are you sure that you dreamed that about you random?
The reason why it is so quiet is that there is nothing to report. This is a scam, and Stella is dreaming up the next excuse that will be given to delay this again. Then it will be delayed again, and again as long as people keep sending them money. They don’t even have the courtesy to just disappear and put everyone out of their misery. As long as Stella keeps dangling the carrot, there are enough gullible people out there who will buy into this being real or still having a chance of paying out with ever post Stella makes; and those are far and few between posts.
Maybe this will help: IT’S OVER! IT WAS AND IS A SCAM! THEY STOLE YOUR MONEY! ALL THE HOPE AND POSITIVE THINKING IS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT REAL! Just pray they don’t steal your identities too.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th March 2009 @ 9:17 pm
Eagle you are right, this seems to be a true scam, nothing going on, just delay tactics!
Comment by extan — 19th March 2009 @ 8:45 am
Oh NO! Extan, say it aint so….You had such faith. All razzing aside, Im truly sorry that they have let you (and everyone else) down. Especially in this time where everyone everywhere is feeling a tightening of their money belts, people really could of used the gpp payout money. Shame on them. Karma will get them. It always does. They may be having fun now, but their glass house will shatter eventually.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 19th March 2009 @ 3:12 pm
I’m form Japan and once a faithfully GPP member but now I believe is a Scam period. Some hear said Imperial and GPP are the same group of peoples behind the scams and they will walk away more than 20 million in euro?
To my surprised Judahlion and Teammegawealth still cheering and promoting GPP. I wonder are they being pay to promote all of these scams.
Comment by Hiroshi — 19th March 2009 @ 3:49 pm
extan, interesting you now also believe this is a scam, but appreciate your admitting it. I still have to wonder what Extan, EXTAN, and Extans feel about this.
Coming up on 2 months past the absolute FINAL deadline of 1/31/09 and not a peep out of Stella. You know dragging yourself off that beach lounge chair is tough work to be bothered with writing an update. If the numbers of approved documents keep going down, as they have in her last 2 posts, I am guessing this time they will only have 75,000+ docs verified, thus needing more people to buy more policies to meet another FINAL deadline. Then it will be another until they cannot sell more policies then “poof” they will disappear; if they don’t get arrested first. Wouldn’t it be interesting to know the number of people that have now passed age 67 that joined this thinking they were going to be rich?
Time to move on people, this has long ago played itself out. Now they are just adding insult to injury to all the members.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th March 2009 @ 9:52 pm
No exciting news from Stella, it is all too obvious how they play. They should make it worthwile to sent in those documents, but they don’t, that’s why nobody really cares.
Comment by EXTAn — 26th March 2009 @ 9:44 am
of course THIS could be the reason stella has not updated us (thanks Judahlion…) Those darn evil forces.
Sometimes SILENCE is for our good, for all of us for our protection. I believe that is the reason why GPP has not given us any updated news. There are evil forces constantly at work that would attempt to sabotage the program so stop fretting about the secrecy. Most people talk too much and endanger themselves.
Comment by random passer by — 26th March 2009 @ 6:22 pm
Dear Judahlion,
You can try and try to continue to have faith, but I am strong and I will win! These people will never get their payout-Never!
I will keep giving GPP problems “beyond their control” so they CANNOT pay out, no matter how much they really “want” to.
Policy problems, lack of valid IDs, boils, locusts, traffic jams. My minions will dedicate websites to the fall of GPP.
As long as Im around, my evil forces are always at work…
Muuahahahah (evil laugh).
Regards,
Satan
Lord of the Underworld
(ha ha ha- Oh,that Judah, he’s so funny! Evil forces, whatta dolt)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 27th March 2009 @ 3:41 pm
who are these funny devils?
Comment by EXTAN — 30th March 2009 @ 9:26 am
“random passer by ” please tell me that you are kidding. It would scare me too much to think there actually people with such thinking walking around. In the world of business and investment, I for one will always want as much info as I casn get my hands on. Especially if they have my money. Get real and say this letters out loud – “S” “C” “A” “M’. Trust me. You’ll feel better once you do. Come on everyone, lets say it together “SSSCAAAAAAAMMMMMM”
Comment by Gabriel — 1st April 2009 @ 8:41 pm
that was what Judahlion had written on his blog, I am well aware this is a scam and have not invested!
Comment by random passer by — 2nd April 2009 @ 4:07 pm
I am Colombian, and I see that to you also that lady was lying with all the people who I enter that policy, I I pay I mediate million for enters and to if they were other people and never we have resivido nothing of money, than they promised to us, I see that everything what people speak of many countries sees that everything is false, and that lady stella does not put the face, because before if podiamos entar now and no, we generally say to the truth for all the Colombians and all the humanity that creimos in you, we only want verad angela Colombia ,an sorry my inglis colombia
Comment by luz angela — 7th April 2009 @ 6:53 am
any updates on (GPP)
Comment by joe — 13th April 2009 @ 5:28 pm
Stella is kicking back with everyone’s money, laughing her socks off at how gullible people are.
Comment by dissalusioned — 14th April 2009 @ 9:10 pm
stella is also planning on how to spend her future earnings from GPP2…
Comment by random passer by — 15th April 2009 @ 9:37 am
I feel at peace because I know that the mother fuckers behind Global Pension Plan (GPP) will be caught. You see evil has no friends and they will soon start turning against each other. It will be sort of like being all dressed up with no where to go. That’s how those bitches will have our monies but can’t spend it. I have submitted my prayers to the almighty and I know that beyond the shadow of a dought they will get what they deserve for robbing innocent people.
Please read psalms 37 the answer is there.
Comment by michelle robinson — 17th April 2009 @ 7:43 am
That thing that goes by the name stella is not a real person. It might get away from us the simple, but trust me it and it’s colleage will not get far. If you know where I am coming from in life and what I have seen; then you would understand that they will not get away with taking our monies. God is not sleeping. Go in peace my fellow GPP(ers).
Comment by michelle robinson — 17th April 2009 @ 7:58 am
GPP is gone, finished. Stella is a very rich woman/man.
Comment by Runaway — 17th April 2009 @ 8:25 am
And if she/he has accomplice who’d been following this forum, am sure celebrating as well. Just wonder what Team Themco is doing to redeem themselves?
Comment by Kate — 17th April 2009 @ 2:22 pm
When this is confirmed as being over and people are able to realise it was a big scam, Stella will be long gone and still anonymous. Team Themco, however, can be found. Promoting this scam was very, very foolish.
Comment by Ben — 17th April 2009 @ 8:40 pm
People are going to want answers. The only contact GPP ers will have will be Themco. So foolish of them to promote this scam.
Comment by dissalusioned — 18th April 2009 @ 3:03 pm
and how about Judahlion who had no fear in using God’s name to promote it???
Comment by Kate — 21st April 2009 @ 2:17 pm
Most big time promoters already abandon GPP. Themco finally realized the bullshit pension plan and gone. Follow by Estella? One of the big time promoters in GPP claimed to be benefactors over thousand members and suddenly went silence???
And JudahLion! Still preaching and more products to offer (HCI25).
Comment by Hiroshi — 21st April 2009 @ 5:50 pm
No wonder the same people who shouted halleluja turned round to shout crucify him. The same people who promoted the program for them to have their money are now telling how evil the program is.Stella is a real person and that everything she promised is going to come true depending on you. I am a member who never promote the program but joined because i knew it was true.All that she is asking is to send your contract for your money you are waiting for.
I promise to give up Stella for crucification at the cost of $15.00 each
if you all send your id’s without payment from her part.
Comment by DAVID — 23rd April 2009 @ 2:26 pm
I truly hope that people aren’t as naive as I was when I joined this program last summer, and I certainly hope that my words do NOT encourage anyone else to join. And in no way would I wish to see anyone else have to go through this frustration and believe me I am in no way proud of myself for having joined this.
My only solace knows that because I knew there was a risk, I NEVER endorsed this to any members of my social nucleus. I don’t promote this in the least, I am not adamant that this will pay. No person should buy into GPP, for their lack of communication is terrible and the lack of evidence is overwhelming. But for those of us who have already done so, I genuinely hope and pray that we will find some resolution so that we stop punishing ourselves for having once believed in this. I no longer believe in this, but I still cross my fingers and daydream in order to survive quotidian stresses.
Good day!
Aloysius Anthony
Comment by Aloysius — 24th April 2009 @ 5:15 am
when is this long waited for payment coming?
who is paying for it? surely no bank is going to hand that amount of money over?
how many more deadlines will we miss?
you don’t get money for nothing.
Comment by random passer by — 24th April 2009 @ 8:17 am
My god,
Can someone do something about this Scam promoter?
======================================================================
Dear Friends and Family,
HCI25 is still accepting contracts due to the fact that some “members†sent in false information about their payment to defraud the company. As a result, some have been weeded out to make room for genuine members.
You have the opportunity to purchase HCI25 contracts until they have replaced the numbers. In my humble estimation they should meet the required number in another month and be ready to close then.
This is an opportunity for many of you to jump in and take advantage of this program. I think it is well worth it.
Please go to http://www.hci25.com and join. Enter your Reference
as: Judahlion1.
Thanks for your support.
Best Regards,
JudahLion
======================================================================
Comment by andy — 24th April 2009 @ 8:46 am
Golly gee, only one month? But GPP has been around for years and hasnt paid anyone, anywhere, EVER!!! But this new one will be ready in a month?!
Judah, Judah, Judah, you should use your powers of bullshit for good purposes.
My question is, who are the people that already bought into the new scam? Certainly not former GPP members, right? No one can be that stupid, can they? Or are these just new suckers altogether…
The saga continues… tune in tomorrow for more rediculous antics by Stella, “Judas”-lion, and crew.
****A fool and his money soon go separate ways**** Always think before you spend. And always remember, its not the point that you paid only $30.00 or what ever small amount, its that you and a million others paid $30.00 to make horrible, dream stealing, conartists rich.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 24th April 2009 @ 4:08 pm
GPP Awful quite?? What happened?
Comment by nel — 26th April 2009 @ 5:25 pm
I just pray to god that everyone has stopped sending money to these people. ( Maybe that is why they are so quiet they know the game is up)
Comment by Vic — 30th April 2009 @ 6:18 pm
not sure, I imagine GPP will pop up again soon, explain their silence by some reason- eg, they were busy with trust partner sorting out bank cards and documents.
They will then deliver the bad news, not enough people who qualify so we need 2000 more signed up members.
I think their greedwill lead them on.
Do you think Judahlion is involved with Stella, which is why he promotes GPP so much or does he REALLY beleive what he says? AND are the other RPP plans from the same stable?
Comment by random passer by — 2nd May 2009 @ 4:38 pm
ASK ANY OF THESE CLOWNS TO SHOW A SUCCESS STORY!!! Just one! Anything that we can verify… Guess what, it’s not that they won’t it’s because, the CAN’T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd May 2009 @ 8:59 pm
GPP…
Ha, at this point can’t we all see how much of a scam this is… STILL? We remember what, 3 or possibly even 4 years ago for some… Well after all of these scammy banks, moving from one place to another, rediculous computer attacks, bank issues, oh my goodnss the list goes on and on!!!!
This is just what I remember from a year ago! I’ll be amused to see how or what they have said now that it’s a year, maybe two later!
Oh yea, let’s not forget how angry these various identites got!
Someone, please let me know the other amusing reasons that they haven’t paid….
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd May 2009 @ 9:07 pm
My Friends,
I also wanted to ask, for those who sent their most important documents, like SSNs etc… Have you yet noticed anythingodd happening to your credit? If not, may I suggest that you do. Last year I warened all that I could not to preent these scammer with such information!
You know on another note… When have you seen a financial contract with no need to sign anything… especially related to a bank? Hmmmmm…
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 3rd May 2009 @ 9:13 pm
Yes, my friend who bought GPP several years ago, but didnt send in any documents until Jan of 2008, has been recieving collection phone calls from a credit card company.
She had never applied for any credit cards being that she is on dissability and has no job. She knew she could never afford to obtain a credit card of any sort.
These calls started several months AFTER (late in the year of 2008 to current) she sent in her documents. I dont know how they got the credit card co. to send the card to someone else’s address (as she never rec’d the card) I suppose they have a “bill to” address and a “send to” address? Nor do I know how they got her phone number, was that from the application? I dunno,but something is going on.
Coincidence??? I think not.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 5th May 2009 @ 3:38 pm
GPP Posted an Update
Comment by angel — 5th May 2009 @ 11:38 pm
GPP – Stella retires hurt.
Tuesday, May 5th, 2009
Please see the 5th May 2009 post by GPP Admin.
Posted in GPP | No Comments »
this was posted on the themco website
can someone please tell me what this update was?
Comment by random passer by — 6th May 2009 @ 8:23 am
HERE IT COMES ARE YOU ALL READY
5th of May, 2009
Update
Dear Global Pension Plan Members,
New page has been turned in the our valued project. The reason is truly very saddening, though. Our beloved admin Stella has left us due to her crushing illness. Those of you, who knew her personally, were aware of her ever-decreasing health. She never really complained but stayed rather quiet about her feelings. All the stress, that the huge workload caused her, would have been even too much to handle for most of the health ones. …….BLAH BLAH BLAH …….
Comment by MARCO — 6th May 2009 @ 3:23 pm
Oh my god!!! She is SICK alright! Sick of trying to come up with stupid reasons to not pay anyone anything. LOL-that was too easy.
So, not be as “heartless” as gpp is, but what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Is she the only one who can make things work over there? So now they cant pay anyone anything because she is “sick”?
Load of crap.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 6th May 2009 @ 3:37 pm
so have they set a date for the new payout?!
Comment by random passer by — 6th May 2009 @ 3:44 pm
Hello all, latest news is that :Stella has died last week and nobody has her password for the emails….best news of the year !!!
Comment by viking — 6th May 2009 @ 8:52 pm
Here’s the “official” crap written on the GPP forum:
If you believe anything written in that official update then you need your bumps felt, quite frankly. It’s stunning that they are still carrying on with this scam – even more stunning that blogs like themco.net are actually seriously discussing the updates.
Comment by Ben — 6th May 2009 @ 9:57 pm
lol
Poor Stella. She probably has a hangover from drinking all that champagne.
Comment by random passer by — 7th May 2009 @ 8:35 am
Payout date: The 8th Tuesday of July 2052
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 7th May 2009 @ 3:02 pm
Hi Guys , I have to ask this question but do you think people are still buying into this. I mean actually parting with their hard earned money. If so this is a terrible. Why is it these people cannot be stopped.
Comment by Vic — 7th May 2009 @ 9:34 pm
The site appears to still be accepting payment.
I have no idea why this has not been investigated, but there are people convinced it will pay out… and they will be trying to increase their downlines.
Comment by random passer by — 8th May 2009 @ 5:13 pm
YOU WILL BE REPORTED TO TRADING STANDARDS IN ENGLAND. SOMEONE NEEDS TO LOOK INT THIS SCAM, AND SOON, BEFORE ANYONE ELSE PARTS WITH ANOTHER DIME.
Comment by GOTTYA! — 9th May 2009 @ 8:24 pm
Dear members,
I must confess I used to be a strong GPP believed. Now I’m convinced is a scam Period. I’ve reported to FBI today and spend 3 hours recording statement. To my surprised the FBI officer told me that I’m the 6th victims in a week had reported about GPP. My only link to GPP programs is Judahlion and Teammegawealth. I have also handed my personal PC with complete records about GPP and email exchanged with Judahlion and Estella Themmegawealth. Both are my uplink to these scam and because of their aggressive posting and bullshit I’ve lost US$3200/ and not to mentioned losing my integrity in front of my friends and family members. I urge all members to do the same before is too late. I want to see some judgment to these scam promoters not a refund. I believe the FBI will trace form my up line Judahlion and Teammegawealth to gather more information and hopefully we can see some result “Who†is behind GPP.
With the advice of my lawyer, I also made a 2nd report to the FBI against scam promoters Judahlion and Teammegawealth for promoting false and misleading information to investors.
Good day!
Tony
Comment by Tony — 10th May 2009 @ 3:53 pm
They’re liars.
For those who cannot stop writing by all means go on writing. Those who cannot stop talking please go on talking, whilst those who are thinking of doing something do something but at the same token do take precaution, minimise risks, especially which involved loved ones-nas member of families.
Otherwise go marching on doing what you are doing and make more friends as you go along with the idea we are here to get united.
This message is for those in support to GPP. The present situation if it continues would bring us members back to the cave age.
Moving forward we must otherwise, we will be sucked continuously at pleasure of the current scammers and leave us on our own peril. Who cares!
As amplified by the event that took place in the GPP posting three days ago, we must strengthen our determination to teach GPP a real lesson; with that aim, comes time we must deliver.
The GPP admin is trying hard to burry the debris resulted by their own doing but on the contrary it is going to be long remembered by invertors who were watching
Comment by Power — 10th May 2009 @ 4:25 pm
10th of May, 2009
Update
Dear Global Pension Plan Members,
As per Trust Partner’s decision, we hereby announce the final closing date of Global Pension Plan: 06/30/2009 That is the 30th of June 2009.
The current number of fully qualified members is only slightly short of the 100.000 limit.
Trust Partner highly appreaciates your efforts and sends you best wishes and luck for the last month and a half.
Sincerely,
Admin
Comment by Clemete' — 11th May 2009 @ 5:41 pm
hooray
another FINAL closing date
Comment by random passer by — 11th May 2009 @ 7:06 pm
My Friends,
It looks like it’s coming to and end (probably not though)… Now stella has finnaly dropped off of the map. Ask me if I’m suprised! These clowns are simply getting tired of doing this now that the funds are coming in slower and slower.
Goodness, in respect to all or these Stellas, others should have taken note of the “changing” … constantly changing amount of people needed to complete the goal, the endless amounts of time that the closing was extended, the many personality changes of the primary pumpers (I think it was about 4 different people acting as one), and the senslessness of having someone come in to the program, and obtain the “benefits” that others would receive who’d been in for years!
It’s sickening. Lets also take into consideration how hard, and successful they were to ellude their location! NO PHONE NUMBER… ever! No address, no ANYTHING… Remember back in the day when I did a search on the IP address location? It was a house! Yes, a house! That soon dissapeared… There was no traceability!
Yes, let’s not forget the ID theft that took, and I’m sure going to take place… With those ID’s which were taken, I’d think that their second phase of thieft is about to take place. As for those who did send these most important documents, I’d strongly suggest that you put some kind of watch on your credit reports!
Goodness, let’s not forget the other nonsense that they did in about… oh, 2007 or so… The 1/2 price sale! Yes there was one. Pay $20 instead of $40 and get all of the benefits. Guess they wanted to turn on the excitement and money flow. Probably worked….
I tried to get the word out… Yes, I tried my best, but became so tired. These scams are really one for the books!
Oh yea, on another forum, as for those who was around back in the day, do you recall when these clowns were acting like they were me! HA HA!!! That was a real laugh! This happened in another forum… Funny to read if you were there…
Might I go as far as to say that if you come accross an overseas ANYTHING (dealing with your money) that you check it out! Make sure that there is a phone number, address, etc. Something you can trace to a source!
These pitiful last minute attempts to steal further monies again, is Just sickening.
If anone could give a list of the scams as this which are out, I’m sure that it woud help your fellow man not get scammed! Throw out a list someone… I you’d like I could get into thier forums and let them know about the scam that took/taking place w/ GPP. Perhaps prevent someone, anyone from falling prey.
I may be blowing smoke, but if I have saved anyone from being scammed as I was ($40.00), then surely it was of benefit!
These stories which I have recently heard about the many dollars and ID theft really saddens me… SCAMMERS have no morals.
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 12th May 2009 @ 4:00 am
F.A.O MIKECHECK
HERE YOU GO THEN HERE’S THE START OF YOUR LIST AS REQUESTED,DO YOUR BEST “BUST EM”
Global Connect Network
World Pension Plus –
HCI 25 –
Excel Prestige –
Pension World Wide –
Imperia Invest
U.A.E. Pension Fund – Projected into 2010.
Comment by MARCO — 12th May 2009 @ 8:34 pm
In response to the person on the other page that reported gpp to the FBI.
If you read Ben’s original findings about gpp (thank you Ben for your hard work!) it does state in their rules and regulations, or by laws, fine print, what ever you call it, that a payout is NOT guaranteed. That right there pretty much covered their butts. Its basically, buyer beware. So I dont think that the FBI can actually do anything to them.(right?)
But regarding them not having any contact info, like a real address, or telephone numbers, they might be able to consider that something to go after? After all that is pretty shady.
I guess the lesson here is, research before you buy into something. And if it sounds too good to be true, then go with your gut! We all have that nagging voice in the back of our heads, the voice knows better than we do! Listen to the voices….lol (only the good ones though.)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th May 2009 @ 4:07 pm
so IN THEORY, if they have stated ‘pay-out is not guaranteed’ they are not breaking the law?.. fair enough… It does say there is no guaranteed pay out somewhere on their site.
Although, surely all the emails setting deadlines for closure and promising payout soon ARE breaking the law?
There must be something someone can do??
Comment by random passer by — 13th May 2009 @ 7:57 pm
I just dont know Random. I wish I were an FBI agent so that I know the laws better. But Im just a little fish in a big pond.
I’d like to know how many out of all the (or at least the) 10000 people that signed up complained to any law inforcement agency anywhere? Certainly more than the one person who stated that they contacted the FBI recently. Other than the people in Finland. How did they get things started?
I never signed up with them, I only faxed the papers for my friend, and contacted her ‘upline” phsycho freak. So I dont know what their website says. It would be silly for me to contact anyone as I am not direclty involved and would not be able to answer any real questions they might have for me. I only have this blog.
Ok, calling all people out there in cyber land, if you contacted the law on gpp, please let everyone know! Or perhaps, all who did sign up for gpp, contact your local FBI agency, if they get flooded with complaints maybe that will get some kind of ball rolling?
I dunno. Suggestions? Anyone?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th May 2009 @ 9:08 pm
I looked up FBI on the internet and directed myself to their main website. Here is what I found:
***”Welcome to IC3
The Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3) is a partnership between the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the National White Collar Crime Center (NW3C), and the Bureau of Justice Assistance (BJA).
IC3’s mission is to serve as a vehicle to receive, develop, and refer criminal complaints regarding the rapidly expanding arena of cyber crime. The IC3 gives the victims of cyber crime a convenient and easy-to-use reporting mechanism that alerts authorities of suspected criminal or civil violations. For law enforcement and regulatory agencies at the federal, state, local and international level, IC3 provides a central referral mechanism for complaints involving Internet related crimes. read more >>”
So, you can file a complaint online. I however have no emails, no access to gpp website. So if someone out there does have that info, please go on your computer and go to the fbi website and file an online claim! Im sure the more people that do, the more serious they will take it.
I have no other suggestions!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th May 2009 @ 9:40 pm
If you all remember GPP has already been investigated by the FBI and they were cleared back when Ben Seigler was involved.
Comment by Clemete' — 13th May 2009 @ 10:18 pm
Oh.
Back to square one then. lol , CIA? CIS? SUV? any other initials we can contact?!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th May 2009 @ 10:36 pm
Thank you by the way Clemente. I wasnt aware of that!
But that was just one leader right? Arent there other names?
Just out of couriosity, do we know how and why they were cleared? I would think that if we knew those facts, then maybe we can focus on other facts that may not clear them?
May goodness, if the freakin FBI cant nail the “gpp jello” to the wall, who can?????????????????
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th May 2009 @ 11:03 pm
@ Rokka
Is there anything new in Finland resp. GPP?
If Stella belongs to that famous family were there any announcements?
Thanks for reply
Comment by saleil — 14th May 2009 @ 12:47 am
“1752
If you all remember GPP has already been investigated by the FBI and they were cleared back when Ben Seigler was involved.
Comment by Clemete’ – May 13, 2009 @ 10:18 pm”
That’s absolutely false. The FBI wasn’t even involved in Seigler’s case other than maybe in a side role. The investigation was done by the US Postal Inspectors and by the US Attorney General’s office in Norfolk. Seigler was convicted and now is in jail. The latter directly called GPP a scam in published news reports. Because they didn’t arrest and convict some unknown party operating GPP from another country doesn’t mean that they were “cleared.”
Whether the FBI is involved otherwise I don’t know but there’s absolutely no way that GPP has been ever been “cleared” by any law enforcement agency or securities or insurance regulators. There are too many obvious violations of securities and insurance laws for that to ever happen.
Comment by JH — 14th May 2009 @ 1:50 am
It was reported on another forum that they believe Tom Sornes, Roger Karlsson and Pedro Dispenza are the people not only behind HCI, ImperiaInvest, but also GPP.
Let’s see, didn’t they say that one of the two admin’s of HCI died sometime last year? Now we have Stella dying. Guess it is tough work being an admin of a large scam.
Now let’s follow this bouncing ball. We had Stella traveling to and fro to the Insurance company, where she was sorting through all those documents. All the time having this terminal illness that just recently caused her death. Of course it could be interpreted from the post that she merely had to leave due to health reasons, and didn’t really die, but most think they were saying she died.
Most all of us have known there have been at least 3 different versions of Stella. Hmmm, Tom, Roger and Pedro make 3. Then we have the 3 Latvia Amiga’s that were handling the bank wires for payments. Hmmm, Pedro operates out of Latvia, and has ties to Roger and Tom. Pedro dumped a load into HCI, and of course Tom and Roger dumped a load into GPP and Pedro’s latest scam. Kind of makes sense now that you start tying all the Email accounts, websites, hosting company to the same people. With Roger and Tom as the admins of HCI, wonder which one got to play dead? Wonder which Stella gets to play dead? And all this time many people thought Stella was a woman. We warned you all a long, long time ago that Stella had hairy legs.
So all you slueth’s get busy and figure it out. Gave you a lot of leads to consider and follow. So now off, go follow they yellow brick road and you just might find out who really is behind GPP after all.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th May 2009 @ 6:53 am
Sounds like their “herd” is thinning?! Yes, must be “stressful” to come up with lies all the time.
Gosh, hope we dont catch the “illnessess” (or bludgend over the head until dead- whatever you wanna call it) that would be awful.
Greed, too much money and too many people to share it with is an awful, awful illness alright. If we wait long enough, then we can see who is the last conartist standing, and then we will have a better chance at getting them arrested.
Place your bets ladies and gentlemen, who will be the last one standing?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 14th May 2009 @ 3:24 pm
People are posting here that they have received debit cards.
Link to hyip.go4reward.com
Comment by Clemete' — 14th May 2009 @ 7:49 pm
That’s not entirely true, is it Clemete’?
One person has claimed that her sister has received a debit card, that is it, no-one else.
“mama gangsta
May 12th, 2009 at 11:06 am
hi guys!&…eventhought,i am not a member of gpp,my sister is.she received her debit card in february….so,have hope.
(she is from canada)….wish you the best!”
My translation: “Hi guys! Even though I am not a member of GPP my sister is and she received her debit card in February. So, have hope – she is from Canada. Wish you the best!”
Comment by Ben — 14th May 2009 @ 8:40 pm
I would venture to say that 99.99% of ALL internet “business” ventures are scams!!!
Hell…Even the real banks and stock exchanges across the world are full of scammers!! What does anyone expect but to be scammed!!
Comment by WatchDawg — 15th May 2009 @ 12:55 am
ok one…..
Comment by Clemete' — 15th May 2009 @ 1:51 am
HOW MANY COUNTRIES is gpp operating in, sweeden, slovenia, malaysia, UK, Canada, usa,,… and many more
and they only have ONE admin person to sort it all out…
Comment by random passer by — 15th May 2009 @ 8:26 am
So she received a debit card, was there any money on it?! Didnt hear her say she was out using it to buy something! Didnt hear her say the dollar amount that she is able to use. If I got a debit card in the mail I’d be shoutin from the mountain tops that my ship came in! But thats just me.
Sounds like a plant to keep people from losing hope…Besides, how do they figure sending a debit card, did they open 10000 individual bank accounts? 10000 pre-paid cards? How much money was the payout? $80,000.00 USD right?
I highly doubt this girl and Im sure it doesnt matter what country you live in, aint nothin comin.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 15th May 2009 @ 3:12 pm
Listen to the last 3 updates here for some vital information. They speak of nothing they can’t confirm. They have confirmed people are receiving debit cards in the US.
http://www.talkshoe.com/tc/14140
Comment by Clemete' — 15th May 2009 @ 4:23 pm
I have listened to the last recording where he states that he has confirmed of people in the US getting debit cards. And that no money is on these cards at the moment, that the money wont be on the cards until after they close (this time) on June 30th, 2009. And that all people recieving the cards have to fill out a form and send it back to gpp. Anyone see another problem arising?!
The funny part was when he mentioned that gpp had 2 to 3 other closing dates, “but some mean spirited people threw a monkey wrench into the mix”. LOL orly. How and why would that matter?!
First of all, who is HE? He also talks about another payout plan World something or other (I got bored of his voice so I turned it off), Second of all its still hearsay. Nothing has been actually proven. Just cuz he is on some online talk show about get rich quick schemes doesnt make him anyone of merit.
As one of my favorite movies lines goes: “Sometimes I sing and dance around the house in my underwear. It doesnt make me Madonna and it never will.”
Call me a skeptic, but Im still not buying it.
Time will tell I guess. Good luck to all who bought it!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 15th May 2009 @ 9:46 pm
These same jokers have been making these claims for at least the last 6 months. The only thing that they’ve confirmed their own BS. Even Stella said in one of her updates that their stories weren’t true and that they were full of “it.”
Dieter Heinke is just another knucklehead believer like Terry, Estelle, and the rest of them. He knows nothing. He’s confirmed nothing. He’s just making up stories to make himself seem important and to keep the suckers hanging onto and coming into this scam.
Comment by JH — 16th May 2009 @ 4:40 am
His calls are Tues. and Thursday at 9:00 p.m. EST ask him then why he promotes GPP and the rest?
Comment by Clemete' — 16th May 2009 @ 4:16 pm
I’ve heard his calls and I already know why he promotes these scams – he’s an ignorant get rich quick sucker. As is anyone who believes his garbage. His calls are exactly the same as those that Ben Seigler did and those by Gary Holmes and all of the rest of the RPP “experts.” They’re all pure BS.
Comment by JH — 16th May 2009 @ 6:33 pm
18th of January, 2009
Note
Dear Members,
There are some serious misinformation spreading in Germany concerning our program. Please understand, that the following email attached below is not true and has nothing to do with us.
There are no German members, who would have special contact to GPP, nor our financial partners.
Email from a GPP member:
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“Here in Germany there are some GPP-members who tell that they would have special contact to GPP, the involved banking and insurance companies and to the print-offices that would already have printed more than 150000 debit-cards for GPP-members and they published officially in telephone- calls and newsletters very specific dates on which we should receive mails with express-mail-service including the debitcards and instructions for the offshore-banking- account.
[continues…]
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Regards,
Stella
Comment by JH — 16th May 2009 @ 8:15 pm
Oh, mY GOD.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 17th May 2009 @ 1:37 am
IM BORED!!!!!! BITCHES…GET OFF YOUR ASS AND DO SOMETHING, OR SHUT THE FUCK UP ALREADY!!! I KNOW ITS EASIER TO BITCH AND COMPLAIN BLAH BLAH BLAH, BUT DO SOMETHING ALREADY. IM BORED TO TEARS…NO ONE HAS THE BALLS TO ACTUALLY DO ANYTHING.
BITCHES…..DO SOMETHING OR TAKE IT UP THE ASS LIKE YOU HAVE AND MOVE ON.
HAVE A NICE DAY BITCHES………..
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 17th May 2009 @ 1:50 am
And for Christ Sake, act like a man and do something. otherwise stop with the stupid blogs.
Do something, or go Away.
Period. Its a scam, we all know it, why keep complaining, bichting blah, blah blah, ….blah blah, blah blah
And blah blah blah, and blah, you stupid blah blah blah and who givs a shit blah blah blah, you dumb ass blah blah, and hey, blah blah blah blah, did you know that so and so said blah blah blah blah, your so stupid and your family who bought into gpp is sooo stuuuupid blah blah blah blah.
Its been nice dummies. blah blah blah blah…..you wont get paid…..blah blah blah
Im going back to wondering if I have a job. Being that I work in the car biz…Got better things to worry about. Not frivioulous shit. Thank god i didnt buy gpp. yeah me!!!!!!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 17th May 2009 @ 1:58 am
OH, AND BLAH BLAH BLAH!!! LOL GET A LIFE.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 17th May 2009 @ 2:00 am
I am in many of those programs that you call for scamms and I have earned much money at them and still is and I think that if there is an honest man behind the GPP, it can really work
Comment by Ubbe — 17th May 2009 @ 12:32 pm
My comment is too “IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK”. I just read your last post and I think you might just have lost it. Yes people bitch its human nature. Anyone with half a brain knows this is a scam and more fool them for buying into it. I personally go out to work everyday. Work my arse off as I have two kids too look after and I am probably one of the lucky ones at this time as I have just been promoted. Hey its more hours(its a good job I can work at home). Nothing good comes of these scams but the people who do buy into them when they realise they have to bitch basically to cover up how stupid they have been.
Comment by Vic — 17th May 2009 @ 3:41 pm
Yeah, okay, I lost it last night! lol For that I apologize (to a point). Had a couple of drinks.. Its just so frustrating hearing the same thing over and over (and over….) really. Why vent when you can call the FBI and actually do something.
I cant believe there are still cheerleaders (ubbe,get a clue). Its too silly. Well what ever. I truly hope gpp doesnt let anyone down (even though it had let people down for years),my friend is totally broke and could definetly use this money. But frankly, back to the other point that the voice guy from that “radio” station tried to make that gpp had pay out dates but some “mean spirited people threw a monkey wrench” whatever, I thought it was documents that werent correct, not mean people. They might want to to at least try to get a story right.
Whatever.
If you still believe in gpp, yeah, I hope it works out for ya. If your live in the real world and know that this is a sham, then please do something about it. Again, I have no access, and the phsycho freak that was my friends upline guy hasnt emailed as he left the country. you know, he left the country to start this shit somewhere else. Question is, are we going to let him start this scam somewhere else?! Its up to the members. My hands are tied.
the FBI has a program called IC3. look it up.
Sorry for the venting last night (sort of), have a great day.
By the way, Anyone else listen to this radio guy? Buying it? All hearsay, no proof……
But ya know what? My rant got some new people to comment, I think more people look at this site than we know of! Get together peoples..
Unite people!!!! Call the FBI or log on and complain….
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 17th May 2009 @ 9:35 pm
HAVING JUST LOOKED ON THAT IC3 WEBSITE, I DON’T THINK YOU WOULD GET MUCH JOY FROM THEM AS THEY ASK FOR WEB ADDRESS,PHONE NUMBERS, CONTACT DETAILS ETC. ONLY KNOWING THE WEB ADDRESS WILL NOT DO ANY GOOD I SUSPECT. SORRY TO SOUND LIKE I’M ON A DOWNER BUT I FEEL WE NEED MORE INFO FOR THAT PARTICULAR ROUTE.
Comment by MARCO — 19th May 2009 @ 6:02 pm
Ubbe,
With so many empty promises and bullshit how honest can it be??
Comment by Power — 20th May 2009 @ 8:19 am
Hello? Anybody out there? Ha Ha ha,….nobody wants to talk until the next Payout date huh? See ya June 30th!
And kids when it doesnt pay out like it hasnt for the past few YEARS I better not hear a little cheerleader talkin shit!
See ya in June kiddies.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd May 2009 @ 11:20 pm
I’d like to blow up all of these scams coming out… Perhaps I could tell them about this scam and explain how they WILL loose what they think may be a good investment! There are just SO VERY MANY of these scams out!
My friends,
If you see an investment. program or ANYTING that does not have a phone number or address… WHY PROVIDE THEM WITH YOUR HARD EARNED DOLLARS! If we were supposed to provide our most important information which we own, why cant the do the same!
What a SHAM!
MikeCheck
Comment by MikeCheck — 24th May 2009 @ 5:05 am
Well, the con game continues. Robert Moore, whoever that is, said on another forum the debit cards are going out with the infamous NDA that has to be signed and returned. He warned to check all your mail, including junk mail, to make sure you don’t miss the debit card and NDA statement. Guess they couldn’t be bothered with putting the Trust Name or GPP on the return address line.
He is so optimistic that the payout will happen soon after the deadline of 6/30, and told people that instead of 130,000 members receiving debit cards, it will be more than 200,000. Hmmm, didn’t Stella tell us that as of 1/31 they were a few thousand short, and nor miraculously they have way more than 130,000 on their way to 200,000+ debit cards. What a joke. He also said that Stella did not die, but is seriously ill.
But the really good news is YOU CAN STILL BUY MORE POLICIES! Now if they have more than reached their required 100,000, why would they need to sell more policies? It’s a rhetorical question. One word answer “greed.”
I will say this, they sure know how to milk a cow for all its worth, and there will be people who will buy more policies. Incredible. I pretty much know what the excuse will be on 6/30 as to why they cannot proceed to payout. It will follow the lines that they had to check everyone against the International Terrorist list, and that some in GPP either appeared on that list, or they need to be verified, thus they need to sell more policies to make up the difference for these people. This will allow them to continue with the payout at a future date, while they clear up these people’s identities and either remove them or they qualify for payout. Then you will have another 2-3 months while they work all this out, then get ready for the next excuse.
Hard to believe that people are this gullible, but gullible they are, and will believe all this crap. Incredible.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th May 2009 @ 5:43 am
EVERYTHING is a scam!! Just look at our governments scattered across the world! We are ALL living in one big scam infested world!!
Comment by WatchDawg — 24th May 2009 @ 7:50 pm
The following appeared on the WLD forum :
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“Greetings From Robert Moore.
I have had a very encouraging report today about Global Pension Plan.
In the past I have reported on several developments with GPP.
It has been reported to me that a multiple number of GPP members in several states & countries have received their GPP debit cards.
These debit cards are being mailed out daily.
I have learned today more about the process of payment and will share it as I was told.
The debit card will arrive through the mail in a bigger than #10 size envelope. The packet will contain the debit card and a non-disclosure agreement which needs to be signed and returned, following all included instructions in the mailer.
A second packet will arrive by mail after the parties of concern have received the non-disclosure agreement. This packet will contain all the banking information needed for the member to have access to their monies and the use of their debit card.
It is important to open all your mail, even if you think it is junk mail until you have received your debit card packet.
I was told originally their were approx 130,000 debit cards prepared for mailing, but now there are over 200,000 members and more debit cards are being created to meet the new membership totals.
The time line of June 30th, 2009 stated on the GPP FORUM is the date scheduled for the closure of Global Pension Plan and a projected date for the majority of GPP members to receive their mailed packets.
As stated on the GPP FORUM Stella the former administrator of GPP is very ill. I’ve been told she is still alive. There is a new administrator in place to close the GPP
Membership as scheduled and process the steady stream of GPP member agreements still flowing in till the cut off date.
The FORUM has not stated very many details for security reasons.
From now on each member of GPP will be contacted by the GPP banking parties on a private one on one basis.
For over a month now I have had several reports from credible sources. Information has flowed from team leaders with very large downlines. These team leaders have nothing to gain by spreading rumors and multiple leaders are verifying the same information.
I believe the reports I’m receiving and am reporting them for the purpose to uplift and encourage everyone who has felt the ripples of this GPP rollercoaster ride.
Many have contacted me voicing despair and poverty, looking for some glimmer of hope.
Today’s report has given me a bright hope of what the future holds for all of us GPP members.
These statements are my personal opinions which were gathered from several sources.
I remember a long time ago Stella telling us we would be blessed and very amazed at what has been prepared for us.
Even though Stella hid her illness from us, and many of us were discouraged by her lack of reports, I still remember her words of hope.
This report is also a last call to all of you interested in GPP.
This is a last call for any person who has waited to become a GPP member.
This is a last call for the member who has held off getting an additional policy/contract.
If I can be of any assistance please contact me.
The time has come for our financial future to change significantly for the better for all our family and friends who believed enough to be a part of Global Pension Plan.
Have a successful and safe week,
Robert Moore “
Comment by so called Robert Moore... — 25th May 2009 @ 7:17 am
WOW
WELL I BELIVE HIM THATS AMAZING GREAT NEWS, JUST OFF TO THE SHOPS NOW THERES A SALE ON OF VERY GENUINE DUST FROM MARS SUPPOSED TO HAVE VERY HEALING PROPIETIES (HONEST)
Comment by MARCO — 30th May 2009 @ 10:14 am
Please answer me, it is true that We will pay GPP 30.6.2009. THANK YOU FOR THE RESPONSE AND Greetings. SLIVIKA
Comment by slivika — 31st May 2009 @ 1:04 pm
Tony says “because of their aggressive posting and bullshit I’ve lost US$3200”
No Tony, you haven’t lost US$3200 “because of their aggressive posting and bullshit”….. you’ve lost it because of your own stupid greed.
If you have seriously ‘invested’ US$3200 into this scheme that means that you expected to get a return of around 50,000,000 Euros, that is just sheer stupidity and greed, Nothing more, nothing less.
Comment by goldcard — 1st June 2009 @ 12:18 pm
Marco: If it is not too late, be sure to pick up some of that magical dust for me. You know I am good for it because I have my GPP payout coming. Speaking of GPP and payout, I was surprised that none of the members threw a party. After all, they just celebrated their 4th year together in GPP. Yes boys and girls it has been 4 years since GPP broke on the scene, and was going to make everyone rich for a mere $35 spend.
But hey, the good news is you can stil buy more policies. Happy 4th Anniversary GPP!
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd June 2009 @ 6:16 pm
Hello Lynndel…Glad to see you here!
Folks, it is going to happen! No doubt about it…Just around the corner…isn’t that right Lynndel!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least, that is what you say over on the Money Makers Group Blog!!!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 4th June 2009 @ 12:37 am
OOOO! Dust from Mars! Im in, how much? lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 5th June 2009 @ 5:29 pm
So CC, in regard to this blatant lie of yours:
Hello Lynndel…Glad to see you here! Folks, it is going to happen! No doubt about it…Just around the corner…isn’t that right Lynndel!!!
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At least, that is what you say over on the Money Makers Group Blog!!!
Comment by Concerned Citizen – June 4, 2009 @ 12:37 am
Please post it here, because I never said it, and you know it. But nice try.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th June 2009 @ 8:31 pm
Hi Folks,
Ha …. dust from Mar!!!!
I’m already onboard – Carvinal Victory Southern Caribbean: Barbados ; St. Lucia, WI ; Antigua ; St Kitts, WI ; San Juan, Puerto Rico ; St. Thomas, USVI ; Dominica ; Barbados.
Hv a nice day!
Comment by Power — 6th June 2009 @ 9:47 am
If you are thinking about getting a dog like a Rotti call it Karma. That way you can have a sign on your fence that says ” Do Not Enter Karma Will Get You”. If this is a scam dont worrie we all have fences. Some of us even have Walls!!!Put them up and we will see!
Comment by what the? — 7th June 2009 @ 11:32 am
not long to go guys… will they keep this open and try and get more people to sign up? will they focus on GPP2 while people are ‘waiting’ for their bank cards? or will they bugger off altogether? Will they claim stella has died and postpone it that way?
Or will payment actually come?? yeah right.
Comment by random passer by — 7th June 2009 @ 11:36 pm
HELLO, IT IS THE OVERFLOW, THAT STILL PEOPLE CONTINUE BELIEVING IN PENSION PLAN MEMBERS AGREEMENT FORM REF #395A I I AM COLOMBIAN AND BETWEEN WITH FRIENDSHIPS THE PAST ANUS THE DAY TENIAMOS AND AUGUST 21 2008 THAT RESIBIR THE MONEY AND AT ANYBODY THE TRAGETA HAS ARRIVED HIM SAID THAT US THAT IT ARRIVED TO GO TO A BANK TO REMOVE IT AND NOTHING, BECAUSE THEY PLAY WITH THE MONEY OF PEOPLE, BECAUSE WHEN ENTRANOS WE COULD SEE OUR DATA BY INTERNET AND SOON WE ENTERED DENUEVO AND IT DOES NOT LET TO US ENTER, LIKE SO DENUEVO ESTAN WITH THE SAME OF ENTERS IF NOSOTRO WE HAVE NOT RECEIVED THE MONEY THAT PROMISED TO US, WE ARE OF COLOMBIA, BECAUSE THE LADY STELLA WE HAVE WRITTEN TO HIM AND IT HAS NOT RESPONDED TO US WITH THE TRUTH, WE WANT THE TRUTH OR IS THIS SWINDLE LUZ ANGELA CEDANO,SANDRA AVILA COLOMBIA
Comment by LUZ ANGELA — 8th June 2009 @ 4:38 am
Do what do you know about GPP whether that is the case of fraud, we RES OR CAN OBTAIN TO 30.6.2009 Debit Card and disbursed the money. THANK YOU AND Greetings. SILVA
Comment by silva — 8th June 2009 @ 6:24 am
debit cards anyone?
Comment by random passer by — 9th June 2009 @ 6:49 pm
anoche me lleve una sorpresa,pues una persona de monbre salomon, me dijo que le comentara cuando entre la gente a globla pension plan members agreement form ref:#395A , yo le digo a usteds fue mucha la gente que entro a esta pension como la senora mirian gonzales,martha delgado,nancy delgado,belen pajoy, sandra avila ,anita avila y muchos mas, directamente con un senor jesus blandon,y despues recibimos cada uno su formulario con muestros datos personales y nos dijeron como entraramos a ver nuestros datos personales por internet ,el nos dijo y la senora stella ,ella le escribio a sandar avila de como era para entar,porque a ella se le dificultaba entrar,todos en tramos por http://www.globalpp.net.tv
arriba salen unas benderas y teniamos que entra por la bendera de espana ,por ser colombia ,por nuestro idioma ,entramos y vimos nuestros datos, felices todos por ver los datos de cada uno de las personas que entramos .y nos dicen su targeta llega en diciembre hasta enero y antes de que nos huvieran dicho eso,entramos denuevo y ya no podiamos ninguno ,le escribimos a la senora stella y esta es la hora que no nos ha respondido, y vemos ahora ,que estan cojiendo mas palta sin que nosotros ,que entramos en el ano 2008 agosto 28 , no hemos recibido nada de lo que ustedes nos prometieron de la targeta ,para ir a un banco y sacar el dinero cada dia ,y ustedes no nos han dicho que pasa ,cuando nos van a dar la targeta ,para nosotros sacar el dinero de la pension,ustedes no saben como esta toda la gente que entro con ustedes, y dicen sera esto una piramide,y estan para demandar mundialmete con la fiscalia ,eso escuche ,solo queremos la verdad , jesucristo murio por la verdad .somos todos colombianos y estamos sin trabajo ,ya somos personas mayores y queremos la pension para tener una mejor vida,la situacion esta bastante dura y muchos estamos muy mal, por no encontar trabajo,hablamos por toda la gente de colombia que entro con ustedes
Comment by luz angela — 10th June 2009 @ 5:17 am
last night it takes a surprise to me, because a person of monbre salomon, said to me that she commented to him when people enter globla pension plan members agreement form ref: #395A, I say to him to usteds was much people that I enter this pension as the lady mirian Gonza’les, martha thin, thin Nancy, Bethlehem pajoy, sandra Avila, Anita Avila and many but, directly with Mr. Jesus blandon, and later we received each its form with muestros personal data and they said like entraramos to see our personal data to us by Internet, said and to the lady stella to us, she him escribio to sandar Avila of how she was to entar, because to her she became difficult to him to enter, all in sections by http://www.globalpp.net.tv it arrives leave benderas and teniamos that enter by the bendera of Spain, for being Colombia, by our language, we entered and we saw our data, happy all to see the data of each of the people that we entered .y say its targeta to us arrives in December until January and before you would huvieran this that, we entered denuevo no longer and podiamos no, we wrote to the lady stella to him and this is the hour that has not responded to us, and we see now, that they estan cojiendo but palta without we, who we entered the 2008 anus August 28, have not received anything than promised you us of the targeta, to go to a bank and to remove to the money every day, and you have not said to us that she passes, when they are going to give the targeta to us, us to remove the money from the pension, you do not know like this all the people who I enter with you, and say sera this pyramid, and estan to demand mundialmete with the office of the public prosecutor, that listens, want the truth, Jesus Christ murio by the truth .somos all Colombians and only are without work, already are people majors and want the pension to have one better life, the situation this quite hard one and many we are very bad, not to find
Comment by luz angela — 10th June 2009 @ 5:19 am
—– Mensaje reenviado —-
De: salomon acevedo rueda
Para: [email address removed]
Enviado: domingo, 7 de junio, 2009 11:40:10
Asunto: informacion global pension plan
buenas dias se;ora Luz Angela, quisiera tener informaci[on del plan de pension ya qu e me lo estan ofreciendo para mi hijo que es menor de edad; estuve investigando en la internet y vi su comentario , y por lo que puedo entender que usted esta afiliada desde hace rato y no le han pagado lo que le ofrecieron, pero a si mismo veo que la se;ora Stella aparece informando que faltan 15.000 afiliados ya que estos han sido devueltos y para su pago deben de ser del 100%.
quisiera saber desde cuando lo compro y donde esta radicada, además si usted tiene conocimiento que alguna persona le allan cancelado este plan tan fabuloso.
le agradezco sus comentarios a mi correo.
mil gracias
salomón acevedo rueda
—– Resent message —-
From: salomon acevedo rolls
To: [email address removed]
Sent: Sunday, 7 of June, 2009 11:40: 10
Subject: global information pension plan
good day; either Light Angela, would want to have informaci [on of the pension plan or qu and they estan it to me offering for my son who is minor; I was investigating in the Internet and I saw its commentary, and reason why I can understand that you this affiliate for short while and have not paid to him what they offered to him, but itself I see that; or Stella appears informing that they lack 15,000 affiliates since these have been given back and for his payment they must of being of the 100%. it would want to know since when I buy it and where this been, in addition if you have knowledge that some person allan to him cancelled east so fabulous plan. I am thankful for its commentaries to him mail. thousand thanks salomón acevedo rolls
Comment by luz angela — 10th June 2009 @ 5:27 am
with regard to recent posts “WHAT”
Comment by MARCO — 10th June 2009 @ 11:56 am
luz Agela,
No no one seems to understand your posts!!!!!!!!!!!!!
What’s your story??????
Comment by Pappy — 10th June 2009 @ 5:26 pm
lol, glad I wasn’t the only one who didn’t understand what was going on!
Comment by random passer by — 10th June 2009 @ 6:54 pm
OH MY Goodness!!!
Comment by Clemete' — 10th June 2009 @ 10:04 pm
I finish to them sending the form as we entered the people of Colombia and we paid, and this is the nonrecibinos hour that nothing of targeta, neither money, they if they resibieron the one of the people of Colombia, teniamos we or who to have resibido the money who promised and nothing to us, I believe that they do not let pass the previous thing that I write to the people who say what is my history, I to me I speak to him with the truth and with the people who I have ami side, that has not resibido anything of the fiance’ my cedano@hotmail email is luzangela or [email address removed]
[Attempted translation by Ben: I have sent the completed form to GPP and paid the admin fee yet the finish date has passed and we have not been paid. I will speak with the Columbian authorities to make a complaint.]
Comment by luz angela — 11th June 2009 @ 5:24 am
it excuses not the English very well, I only say the truth to him, before GOD, we are Colombian and we entered many people day 21 of August of anus 2008 we paid all the affiliation, in Colombia that person I receive to us here but to all, million Colombian pesos were average, we gave the personal data of each of the people who entered golbla pension plan members agreement and they gave to the following form to us which we entered globla pension plan members agreement form ref: #395A
PLEASE COMPLETES THIS FORM IN BLOCK CAPITALS USING BLACK OR BLUE INK NOTICE:
This agreement is between to member and global pension plan. By Completing and signing this agreement form you plows agreeing to sell back your Global Pension Plan insurance policy benefit to the trust to partner for to fixed price 110.000 of EUR or EUR 55.000 (Rep policy) dependent on the member’ s age. Eleven the members agreement forn you have been accepted by the trust to partner, the Financial Client is freed from any or to other responsibilites concerning the program and the policy.
GPP username: [removed]
Middle Yam: [removed]
Surname: [removed]
Birth dates of (MM/DD/yyyy): [removed]
Gendre: FEMALE
Address: street [removed]
ZIP/POostal Code: [removed]
Country: [removed]
Phone: [removed]
Email: [removed]
banking coordinal for the Compensation and Loyalty Program Rewards Payment:
Account Holdre’ s Yam: BANKING SOLUTION
Account Number:
Account holders’ s Address:
Bank yam:
Bank office adders:
SWIFT/ABA/Routing Code:
Charity Charity I want to donate eur——————–into the GPP Charity fund (EUR10 is automatically deducted from the Compensation). if you don’ t want to make to donation, please leave blank.
IT DATES: AUGUST 21 OF THE 2008
Location: VILLAVICENCIO COLOMBIA
Signature light angela cedano______________________
(Also the signature of the legal guardian in marries to member is to under the legal age in his /her country of residence this it is the form that we have the people of Colombia, did not give them after paying and digame a thing, you which you think, is not right with all what we entered global pension plan members agreement, podimos we to see by Internet the data of us, we entered by Spain and later we returned to enter and I nunguna of the people who we paid, nonpodimos to enter again, him escribio to the lady stella and this am myself the hour that has not responded to the questions of the people of Colombia, they if they have the money of all the Colombians, but because we do not have anything than they promised, he is not right with us and he is not right that continues playing with the money of those of but people, here we are all reunited and I am writing what they, they want that people know, and is the overflow that estan now showing it denuevo so that people return to pay, if they have not paid anything to us, nor to arrived the targeta, that happens we needed answers them, OR WHERE WE CAN SEE DENUEVO OUR DATA, IT IS NECESSARY TO BE ONE HONEST one IN the LIFE AND TO SAY the TRUTH, IF [removed] WANTS to ME TO WRITE MAIL IS or he[removed] is not right that takes the money, that people I look for to better have to come to have one better life, in these so difisiles times that everybody this happening, you salute of the people of Colombia
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( Enter up to 150 words )Translate
[Addition by Ben: I think I know what is going on here – Luz Angela is worried because he/she has not received any money from GPP (much like the many hundreds of thousands of other people who signed up, no doubt). I’m removing personal details from this post so please do not post them again as I’m pretty sure you don’t want your details published on the internet!]
Comment by luz angela — 11th June 2009 @ 5:28 am
you who you are, I it shipment, because those that we entered not us have arrived nothing, and where this the money that cojio that company, I write, because people request the favor to me, I I believe that one must yet of be correct the world, and are people of Colombia and now they estan denuevo here in Colombia, encontarndo but people to entar denuevo, that is that if we entered the past anus and we have not resibido anything and now but people so that they do the same to them, that is what the people of Colombia say, because the lady stella has not put the face, because not escribio, and is so much people that I enter that pension, and estan my wounded with global pension, you that says to this? , digame if estubiera you now in this situacionlo that we are living now? , digame if you were happening through this situation? , to you they did not clear the money to him of as much people of Colombia, the people of Colombia is humble people and made have to secure to that money, so that later nonknowledge that passage with the money, is not justo.con nobody and is age people, I I only write what they want that you know, we only want the truth
—– Mensaje reenviado —-
De: MARK BURFORD
Para: [removed]
Enviado: jueves, 11 de junio, 2009 15:39:59
Asunto: GPP
PLEASE DO NOT SEND ANY MORE OF YOUR PRIVATE AND PERSONAL DETAILS TO UK.BIZ OPPS. THEY HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH GPP YOU WILL NOT RECEIVE ANY MONEY FROM GPP YOU HAVE BEEN TRICKED/SCAMMED LIKE THOUSANDS OF OTHERS. !!!!
Comment by luz angela — 11th June 2009 @ 10:26 pm
It’s all going to get better!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 12th June 2009 @ 1:33 am
The only ones it got better for are the perps of this giant scam. At least some people are waking up this horse died a long time ago, and they are finally dismounting.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th June 2009 @ 6:36 am
Ahhh…Lynndel…can always count on you to troll this page like a shepherd watching over his flock!!
HAAAAAAAA
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 12th June 2009 @ 7:57 am
And we can count on you to come and spout your inane babble.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th June 2009 @ 12:40 am
Lynndel…You are EXACTLY why I come in to this blog! Whatever I post…I can ALWAYS, ALWAYS count on a response from you.
That is the only reason why I drop by here from time to time.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 13th June 2009 @ 7:30 am
No cards in Sweden, but maybe it´s true… Who knows
Comment by Mys — 14th June 2009 @ 4:01 pm
15 days to go!
What happens next?
Comment by random passer by — 15th June 2009 @ 5:42 pm
Remember the update:
Comment by Ben — 16th June 2009 @ 3:11 pm
Poor Luz, she seems frustrated. The way I read her post is that she is a member, and that she got other people to join and they are quizzing her on what is going on and she doesnt know for sure, but gets the idea that no one has ever gotten paid, even though they give you all this stuff to make it look official, with the bank and routing numbers and such? And she has tried to write to Stella, but has not gotten any responses. I guess they have the same situations down/over in Columbia. Frustrations come in all languages.
Luz, no dinero coming! But I guess I should be fair, after all, its not June 30 yet…(whatever)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 17th June 2009 @ 5:35 pm
I heard that GPP starts paying members in Germany and they are required to keep it secret.
Is anybody confirm that he/she or knows somebody who get this payment?
thanks.
Comment by RENE — 17th June 2009 @ 10:16 pm
If their pay out date is June 30, 2009, why would anyone get anything sooner than that? Did they have a different pay out date in Germany?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 18th June 2009 @ 5:45 pm
There is no different payout date, its just the end of the program 30th of june. They’ve already started to send cards all over (to be ready)Keep praying !!
Comment by Gerlot — 19th June 2009 @ 3:15 am
Gerlot,
I would wager that not a single person could provide, for example, a scan of one of these alleged cards that you claim have been sent out.
Hearsay and bullshit is all you’re heard.
Comment by Ben — 19th June 2009 @ 9:56 am
Why on earth are people still waiting for this payment. All of you go and get a job. You dont get a massive payout like the one GPP is saying for the pittence you pay in. What planet are you people on. The sooner you realise you have been scammed the better. Then programs like these will hopefully fail but there are always gullible people out there.
Comment by Vic — 19th June 2009 @ 12:15 pm
If anyone knows anyone who has recieved a creditcard please confirm it here otherwise it`s only a hope and a dream
Comment by Ubbe — 20th June 2009 @ 12:59 pm
10 days left and no cards or agreements.
Maybe, maybe not. No one knows!
Comment by Mys — 20th June 2009 @ 4:15 pm
Is there anyone, a single person, who could seriously confirm any trace of existance of these mythical debit cards?
Comment by Stan — 20th June 2009 @ 5:11 pm
one day we will all know until then we will have to wait and see no-one knows lets hope,
Comment by unknown — 20th June 2009 @ 10:48 pm
Umm, most of us on this website are not expecting a payout. We understand this is a scam and nothing more, if you read the past posts you would see.
But unfortunatley, there are still some dumb assess that think this will happen. To them I say, good luck! For the rest of us I say, nothing. as there is nothing to say.
later.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 20th June 2009 @ 11:47 pm
I guarantee that no one has actually received cards. As no body has come on here and said, hey I got a card! Just some jerk saying “i herd that people got cards”. And even if they got cards, first of all there is NO MONEY on the cards, and second, there will never be any money on the cards. Its cheaper to send out empty debit cards than it is to actually pay out! THey have the money to send empty pieces of plastic than to actually pay out!
Tic Toc Tic Toc almost june 30th……..hold your breath!!! ha Hey Stella, still alive bitch? Or did your partners stuff your dumbass into a trunck?! Money makes monsters….afterall…..tic toc, tic toc,………greed does make people “sick” and die right! ha better her than us…..
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 20th June 2009 @ 11:54 pm
You peoples make me SICK…card or no cards why must we tell you!!!!
Get a life..Jerk..
What’s wrong with you peoples? Jealous!
What make you so sure no one received cards? We are not telling you suspense ………ha…ha..
Comment by PP — 21st June 2009 @ 4:40 pm
I wonder how GPP will continue to scam money from people after 30th June?
Comment by random passer by — 21st June 2009 @ 7:28 pm
GPP II
Comment by Pet — 21st June 2009 @ 9:06 pm
If they dont forfill GPP there will be no one to take place in the 2:end edition
and there`s still no cards in SWEDEN
Comment by Ubbe — 22nd June 2009 @ 9:26 am
who realy knows we will have to wait and see untill who knows the real truth
Comment by unknown — 22nd June 2009 @ 11:06 am
If It Walks Like a Duck…One question for you, my friend…
How can you “GUARANTEE” no one has not gotten paid! And what makes you think that this will be all paid out in debit cards?? There are other ways of paying out than just debit cards.
Just wondering where you got your information.
Just curious, that’s all.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 22nd June 2009 @ 6:06 pm
All the signs point to the liklihood nobody has been paid: All of which HAVE been pointed out!!
Several ‘FINAL’ deadlines, and insistance with t least one deadline would BE the FINAL deadline no matter how many people had signed up… only to extend it with too few members,
A range of stalling techniques, from sick stella, too few members, incorrect documents.
Dodgy and inconsistent facts regarding how many people have signed up, never actually closing the programme despite it carrying on for FOUR years in MANY countries- not hard to get 100,000 people.
The fact that no bank would give that amount of money away. Not only do you have the ‘100,000’ policies, you also have the extra money for people in every downline 12 levels deep AND the 250,000 EXTRA policies that were for sale.
: can someone work out how much a bank would have to give out?
For all that work, there was only ONE admin person… Stella?
There is no ‘real person’ connected with gpp. No surname, no contact address, no registration.
If it were THAT easy, it would have been done before?
They ask for colour copies of a passport, which is not legal and no bank (at least in the UK) would be able to accept this as a form of id.
Nobody has come forward and actually said ‘I HAVE BEEN PAID’
Comment by random passer by — 22nd June 2009 @ 6:33 pm
Glad you asked Concerned Citizen.
Answer is: By what GPP has already shown everyone. Actions speak louder than words. They have been around for what 4 years or so? And each year there is another story. Hell there were 3 payout dates last year, and so far two this year. But then again, the second date has not officially come yet….
But whatever, maybe they’ll surprise you guys This Time! We wont know until June 30. And from what I understand, the only way they are paying out is with the debit cards. Back in January of 08, they gave a choice of the debit cards (aka banking solution) or direct deposit into your checking account. They warned that if you get 80,000 directly deposited into your account that the bank will notify the IRS (which is true), then you will have get special paperwork from GPP explaining that this a pension plan payout. And then they removed the choice and said they will only pay out on the banking solution. At least that is what the psycho “upline” guy said. But he has already left our country, more than likely to start up somewhere else, since they have already started another “project”. It would make sense to finish the first one first before starting another one. Especially since their are SO many problems with the first. But then, why should they, people are still buying old and new.
And did I read the other poster’s post correctly? You’ll never tell if you got a card?! I think I even heard a tiny voice saying Na Na Na boo boo! Thanks for the chuckle, I needed that!! lol (How easily frustrated the unknown can make people.)
Anyway, as I have said before over and over, I hope they will pay out instead of robbing desparate people (again, like my friend) of their dreams of bettering thier life. To some people its $30.00 gone, and its no big deal, to others its the promise of a new life, all depends on your situation.
I for one am tired of their lame excuses, and I think their despicable for taking advantage of people. Id love for them to prove me wrong!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 22nd June 2009 @ 6:54 pm
Well said Random, thanks!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 22nd June 2009 @ 6:58 pm
If you look up at Ben’s posting, you will see this years two “final deadline” posts from GPP.
Perhaps where ever they come from the word “final” doesnt exactly mean “final” in the traditional sense?? You think? Maybe? Or no?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 22nd June 2009 @ 7:18 pm
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.
Who is the psycho “upline” guy you are talking about
“At least that is what the psycho “upline†guy said. But he has already left our country, more than likely to start up somewhere else,”
Comment by stellaisaman — 22nd June 2009 @ 8:29 pm
The beginning of last year, my friend asked me for my help. Her uncle had got her involved with GPP a few years earlier, but she hadnt heard any updates as she has no computer or contact telephone number for her “upline” (not her uncle, the guy he dealt with). So, knowing that I had computer access at work, she asked me to contact him via email. She gave me his email address, so I contacted him for her. He gave me his phone number, and I at first said, now I have a phone number, why dont you guys speak directly with each other. He didnt feel the need for that.
He told me what she needed to do (the color photo of her ID, that sheet of paper that asked for her personal info and if she wanted direct deposit (which is also taxable then) or the banking solution) etc. I relayed the info to her, and asked her if she really wants to do this. She is a poor single mother of 4, disabled, no car no computer no job. She said Yes, I need to do this.
After I sent him all the papers he needed from her, he continued to email me asking me to keep checking the gpp website, then there were issues with the website, you have to go to the new website and put new info in, new password etc. He did also at the time of getting the paper work together tell us that he was leaving the country in a couple of months, once he gets all the papers from his people.
I got tired of the “busy” work he had me doing. I mean it was stupid unecessary stuff that didnt really matter in the long run.
I emailed him and said that my work has restricted the use of my computer, and I can no longer access gpp (I lied), but was being nice about it, and had requested him to simply update my friend directly when the payout will happen, after all he had her phone number.
And this fool went off on a tangent! In all caps, mispelled words ranting and raving over my request! It looked like a 5 year old wrote the email, it was pretty hillarious. (I should have kept it!)
He made no sense at all. He was a step sideways from some back alley drug peddler. In fact I think I would rather deal with the drug peddler!
This led me to believe that no real company would employ someone like that. That this is simply a pyramid scheme that has anyone and everyone being an upline/downline whatever ya wanna call it.
I started to research GPP shortly before that guy lost his mind, thats how I found this site. I had the opportunity to join, but that voice in the back of my head screamed at me! It sure sounded good at first, $60.00 dollars now, $80,000.00 in a couple of months, and dont think I wasnt tempted, but something just doesnt sound right to me. Especially after that last email. I tried to “spam” his follow up messages (some useless shit from the website) but it didnt work, they kept coming for a little while. But I havent heard from that psycho in almost a year now. hmmmm. where’d he go?
So thats my psycho story! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 22nd June 2009 @ 10:15 pm
Oh, and during my research, I have not found one positive thing about GPP or E bullion (which is how my friend had to pay, she bought the e-gold/bullion thing, which then paid for gpp). I dont know if that is still how their doing it, but like I said, she signed up at least 3 and half years ago.
Gosh I have long posts! Sorry!!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 22nd June 2009 @ 10:22 pm
GPP is not a dead duck until either it pays or not,end of month, no one yet has had proof of payment, so until the day comes we can only wait and see and then get p—ed off,
Comment by unknown — 23rd June 2009 @ 10:13 am
we have been waiting and seeing for 4 years now. How much more waiting can you do before you stop beleiving?
Comment by random passer by — 23rd June 2009 @ 12:17 pm
7 days and we can then judge,
Comment by unknown — 23rd June 2009 @ 2:19 pm
LOL, but if you are given yet another delay on the closing date, will you still believe?
This is one of several deadlines
I am quite happy to judge now.
It won’t pay.
Comment by random passer by — 23rd June 2009 @ 5:27 pm
I am curious today (and pretty bored), I was wondering if any of the true believers have done any research? Just a question, dont get all bent out of shape.
Because when I originally started to look up GPP on the internet and found this site, and read what Ben had researched, I was turned off. Especially by the part that said they dont guarantee any payouts at all (and of course the no contact info..etc). That and the thought in the back of my head that says “If it sounds to good to be true…”
So I just wonder what others thought process is?
I also went back to page 1 and flipped thru the pages up to page 45 (yup, totally bored!), and read about the previous pay out dates that came and went, and Stellas childrens charity that went no where (which I forgot about), so much information going back to Feb of 08. And here is a little useless trivia for ya, just so you can sleep better at night (lol), I read the posts for a couple of months before I started to write a post (which started on page 43, under my first “blog” name: Sheeesh). What happened to all those people who used to write on here? Do they still read and not post anymore? Are they just quietly waiting for to see who is right, the naysayers or the cheerleaders?
But anyhoo, back to my original question, for those that believe, have you done any research at all? Other than the gpp website..
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 23rd June 2009 @ 6:19 pm
I think our patron should be A.Dante and his words: “Lasciate ogni speranza, voi ch`entrate!”. Take it easy friends; what shall we do without a bit of excitment in our life?
Stan
Comment by Stan — 23rd June 2009 @ 8:59 pm
Never abandon hope! That seems so final (final here meaning the traditional sense, not Stellas version!) lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th June 2009 @ 12:13 am
well only 6 days to go, then all hell will brake loose!
as for some people read as you will, money or misery, which is it going to be, one of the few belivers left.
Comment by unknown — 24th June 2009 @ 7:53 pm
If they actually provide an update on the 30th, it will be the first time they have ever stuck to a deadline for any update. Usually they are two weeks later than stated. No matter when it is, it won’t be the news you want to hear. They will be ever so close, but no cigar, but they will extend the deadline one more time (Nothing is ever “final” with them), and of course you will still be able to buy more policies. They need to admit this horse died a long time ago, and dismount.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th June 2009 @ 11:30 pm
by God, because they follow with global pension if that pension has not paid previous years and because they follow with this year of the 2009, that passage with the money that gave all the people, because they have not paid the fiance’ of a targeta to retire the money, because as much lie, speaks with the truth, gives the money which they promised, that it happens with all the people of Colombia of the year passed of the 2008, lady estella you speak you with the truth, that happens with the money, is people of much age and were hoping that money to live a little more good, diganos the truth, pedinos the truth all the people who we entered to global pension in Colombia
Comment by monica — 25th June 2009 @ 3:12 am
The only thing certain with GPP is that it will never end. This final deadline is just another extension until the next final deadline. Expect another new date in a few weeks and, of course, more excuses why they can\’t pay yet. But, don\’t lose faith, stay the course, keep thinking positive, buy more positions, etc. etc., blah, blah, blah!
Comment by sleeper — 25th June 2009 @ 5:00 am
Actually they did not say they would give an update on the 30th, just the program final date was 6/30. Of course this is the 6th or 7th FINAL date, but who’s counting? Wonder how long it will be before they do give an update, or will they just disappear?
Comment by EagleOne — 25th June 2009 @ 10:13 pm
you can bet the website won’t close down on deadline day.
They may leave it open for GPP2 if nothing else.
Wonder how stella is?!
Comment by random passer by — 26th June 2009 @ 3:34 pm
Who’s qualified to interpret?
On that basis, no group can claim to have a monopoly over truth value, and no group can claim to be right simply because they have settled on an agreed consensus.
Comment by Pet — 26th June 2009 @ 3:55 pm
Pet
Your point being????
Comment by random passer by — 26th June 2009 @ 8:09 pm
(ssshhh, 4 more days…)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 26th June 2009 @ 9:42 pm
Still no cards and agreements in Sweden
Will there ever be??
Comment by Ubbe — 27th June 2009 @ 9:53 am
“UBBE”
And IF we receive a card, you are not allowed to tell anyone !
Comment by P — 27th June 2009 @ 3:07 pm
3 Days to go !!!
Comment by unknown — 27th June 2009 @ 4:00 pm
3 days and we are all millionaires isn`t it wonderfull???
Comment by Ubbe — 27th June 2009 @ 5:05 pm
only if you believe
Comment by unknown — 27th June 2009 @ 8:16 pm
Why the hell would anyone put money into somthing if they don`t belive in it??????
Comment by Ubbe — 27th June 2009 @ 10:40 pm
How much money do you think the big team leaders in GPP get paid by GPP
for promoting this scam ? Do they get paid a percentage of each new member/extra contract they bring in ?
Comment by stellaisaman — 28th June 2009 @ 7:06 am
Why would anyone keep coming back to this blog and posting,EVERYDAY, that they know this is a scam and NO ONE will ever get paid???
If they are ABSOLUTELY sure that no one will ever get paid…Say it once, and then move on!
The need for a blogger to log in here and constantly post to everyone that reads this blog, that GPP is a scam, must “secretly” be hoping that it will pay and they can be lucky like everyone else that signed up for GPP, and actually get paid! I hope it does pay. Whether it will or not…who knows.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 28th June 2009 @ 8:53 am
I come back because it makes me laugh! It takes 20 secs to look and read everything
I like reading the posts by the people who beleive no matter what, it makes me smile. All the evidence to the contrary, yet they still think it will pay out.
I find the scam fascinating, the next delaying tactic, the next way to fool people to part with more money (extend downline/buy more than 1 policy). I want to know how and if it will end. I find the con and the psychology behind it interesting. I find it interesting that people fall for everything Stella told them.
THAT is why I come back, it interests me. Plain and simple.
You don’t even need to log back on to post, it saves it all for you.
Comment by random passer by — 28th June 2009 @ 11:10 am
2 days and closed, what next, how does anyone know it my not pay, everyone says no chance but who knows, lets wait and see always a hope
Comment by unknown — 28th June 2009 @ 7:13 pm
Because they “want” to believe in it.
Comment by EagleOne — 28th June 2009 @ 8:17 pm
Is a.m. Colombian and is truth which you comment, all Colombian people who I to enter the past anus have paid, but to the lady estella if they have the money that recojieron of the Colombians or all what they have paid world-wide, and them story that denuevo estan here in Colombia by the Eastern llamos denuevo securing to global money and or much people to entered pesion, if we which we entered the past anus have paid, fijese that you continue robbing money people, is necessary to denounce to the authorities, we saw ourselves by Spain when they gave the form U.S., and or when in Colombia surjio the problem of many pyramids, not to longer we could see but the dates of the Colombians, entering by the flag of Spain, and nothing of money but they it under stella and his cuates if they have the money of all world-wide, is swindlers, this happens through to translator
Comment by monica — 29th June 2009 @ 2:50 am
always a hope?
wil you say that in 12 months time with a nre deadline?
Comment by random passer by — 29th June 2009 @ 8:14 am
30/06 is the “program closeâ€. Not the payout.
Never a payout in GPP. More bullshits expected next.
Comment by Pet — 29th June 2009 @ 8:54 am
closure tomorrow
how long till the next update?
Comment by random passer by — 29th June 2009 @ 4:47 pm
I wonder if people will realise that when tomorrow comes ( which it never does ) that this is a scam. These people wont put an update on. They will keep you waiting for another 2 weeks with the excuse we have had to send documents back and waiting on them or it will be something to do with the finical situation the world is in. I really dont believe that any bank has the capital these days to be involved with a transaction of this size. My calculations are very basic as I dont have the number of ‘policies’ people have paid for. But from what you read on here you could probably double this amount but on average 7,500,000,000. So the way the finical climate is with all banks and all the legal jardon that has been going on the last while and all the loop holes that have been filled by the authorities can someone please tell if they think any bank has the resources to be behind something like this. I mean this is not pennies we are dealing with.
Anyone any other ideas?????
Comment by Vic — 29th June 2009 @ 6:34 pm
I have a question regarding the bank?
If, and I say, if GPP is real…does anyone reading this blog really believe that there would just be one big bank handling all of this?
If this is real…I am sure that there is money spread all over the world in different banks and national currencies, as it would be ridiculous to keep all of the “supposed” monies in one currency in one bank.
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 29th June 2009 @ 11:31 pm
CC: You are correct, but even the top 10 banks in the world combined could not do this deal. We are talking cash here, and all 10 together cold not come up with enough cash to do this deal. In fact it would take the top 25 banks, and all their cash reserves just to do 100,000 contracts, let alone any more than that.
In short, if these banks did this deal, they would be out of cash immediately. Now does anyone still really believe this is possible?
By the way, tomorrow there won’t be any announcement. They said tomorrow was the so-called FINAL DEADLINE. Of course they said that about 1/31/09 and 5 before that too. Nothing about any update being given. If they do an update, it will be at least 2-4 weeks, probably longer, before they do one. Of course they just might decide they have ran this long enough, and just disappear.
It looks like Tom Sornas and Roger Karlsson may be behind GPP and HCI. Possibly Pedro along for the ride. Going to be interesting to see just who was behind this.
Comment by EagleOne — 30th June 2009 @ 2:30 am
My guess is that if this ever actually ends, the reason given will be that they never got the needed 100,000 qualified documents. They will say it was close, but not close enough. So sorry, but no pay out and GPP is gone. The members fault, not GPP\’s of course.
Comment by sleeper — 30th June 2009 @ 7:08 am
not only do you have the 350,000 policies (100,000 members pluse 250,000 extra policies) you also have the loyalty bonus. This could mean millions more pay out: this demonstrates how much… ONE person could earn €1,020,000 on loyalty bonus alone….
QUOTE FROM GPP WEBSITE
The following scenario could be yours when you share this program with two people you think could use more money. You direct them to the web site GPP provides for you upon registration and they both decide to register as a member after they have studied the plan. They are as motivated as you are and know two people who they think might be interested in GPP’s program. They share the business plan with them and those two persons decide to become a member also. When everyone shows the same enthusiasm, the doubling effect continues by members who are on your TEAM and other teams. When your organization is filled to the 8th level (out of 12 levels), there would be 510 members (2+4+8+16+32+64+128+256) on your TEAM. For your efforts in sharing with two and helping them share with two who join the program and continuing duplication by everyone you will earn €1,020,000 in Loyalty Program Rewards + €55,000 / €110,000* in Compensation. Remember, there are 4 more levels available to expand your T.E.A.M. (Together Everyone Accomplishes More)! You are not restricted (nor are you required) to find two people to join your TEAM, so use your imagination and build wide.
THE BANKS WILL NOT PAY OUT
IF THEY DID, WOULD THEY NOT ADVERTISE THIS SERVICE AND GET ALL THEIR CLIENTS TO DO IT ANYWAY?????????? WITHOUT GPP
Comment by random passer by — 30th June 2009 @ 12:07 pm
So, any word?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 30th June 2009 @ 4:06 pm
Last day! No cards or agreements in Sweden.
Comment by Mys — 30th June 2009 @ 4:06 pm
Stop dreaming move on.
Comment by Pet — 30th June 2009 @ 6:54 pm
It’s the day after the “deadline” – are you all millionaires now?
Comment by Ben — 1st July 2009 @ 8:57 am
Shame on gpp. So, whens the next payout? Is there still a website?! Or have they gone POOOF? Not that it matters, just a curious kitty.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st July 2009 @ 1:16 pm
Be patient next payout 2020.
Comment by DD — 1st July 2009 @ 2:25 pm
Of course the site is still up and of course you can still sign up a new member or buy additional policies. Maybe their clock is a little slow wherever they are. Should we give them the benefit of the doubt? Again and again and again and again and again. Sorry to have turned negative but this is unforgivable. Admin works, or is supposed to work “for” us. Isn’t that what we hired them to do with our membership fees?
That’s how I read the contract and it is a contract. There should have been an update at the stoke of midnight wherever “they” were. After all these years and all the excuses and delays and patience and forgiveness and apologies and rumors and yes BS!
Has anyone else had enough yet?
Comment by mustno1 — 1st July 2009 @ 2:54 pm
The next payout will be, lets see, em, the year never.
Comment by Vic — 1st July 2009 @ 3:02 pm
website still open to new sign ups
then again, that could be for GPP2
I WANT AN UPDATE
Comment by random passer by — 1st July 2009 @ 3:42 pm
Now the site is down -they are probably posting fore the payout!!!
Comment by UBBE — 1st July 2009 @ 6:46 pm
The site is not down, I just clicked buy additional policies not 2 minutes ago.
Comment by mustno1 — 1st July 2009 @ 6:51 pm
I just checked again and now it seems to be down. Great!
Comment by mustno1 — 1st July 2009 @ 6:59 pm
Just used google to get to it, and here is what I got….
This site is suspended. If you are the owner, then please contact our Sales. Otherwise, please accept our apologies.
Comment by mustno1 — 1st July 2009 @ 7:09 pm
That website suspension has happened before. Then they pop up a couple of days later, eager to accept more money.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st July 2009 @ 7:16 pm
They never said there would be an update on 6/30. They said 6/30 was the “FINAL DEADLINE DATE.”
Do not expect an update for at least 2 weeks, maybe longer, that is unless they have already run. It is not worth hanging around for the peanuts they are receiving from new policy sales. They will disappear, then in about 3-4 months they will be back with GPP2, and tell you that if you join GPP2, you will get you money from GPP1; and of course the minions will believe it and get ripped off again.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st July 2009 @ 7:20 pm
Sorry no update as yet for GPPI! We are still a little short of 100K members.
New sign up for GPP II and III is ready and price the same GPPI. Only 10,000 members for sales. Hurry, we accept LR or Cash euro
Comment by Ta — 1st July 2009 @ 7:25 pm
Its weird, sometimes I can get to it and sometimes I can’t. Must be overload or something.
Comment by mustno1 — 1st July 2009 @ 11:12 pm
Hi all!
Who has news of GPP?
Who received a card of GPP?
Why did the side cease? 🙁
Please write…Thx!
Comment by Nt — 2nd July 2009 @ 1:11 am
Hello, its normal they closed the site, thats what they were saying right? now will see if they will payout…cross ur fingers
Comment by Gerlot — 2nd July 2009 @ 2:01 am
well, can you log into the forum?
Vanishing without a trace… it that a good sign or a bad sign?
Comment by random passer by — 2nd July 2009 @ 7:49 am
Wee I have a link that you can get onto the site on do you want it?
Comment by Vic — 2nd July 2009 @ 8:09 am
http://209.249.221.14/members/secret/0000_sjdnxce9r_0000/
well here it is anyway.
Comment by Vic — 2nd July 2009 @ 8:11 am
I am lead to believe that various members have already received their Card & payment details? What is going on! Has anyone seem “THE CARD” or is it all fiction!!!
Comment by Paul — 2nd July 2009 @ 11:43 am
Of course you are “lead to believe” that people have recieved cards, and payment, but I dont think anyone has-EVER.
No real person has ever confirmed that they personally have recieved either. Only hear say.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 2nd July 2009 @ 3:15 pm
I mean really, how many policies would they sell if there were no rumors at least of potential payouts! If no one would ever say a word (well, ya, they’d still be able to sell, but it wouldnt be as many) then their chances of getting a fish on their line would be reduced, and they cant have that! So rumors fly…hey, I heard that people in (pick a foreign place, insert here) got a card in the mail….I heard that so and so got some money once….
So, rumor, shrumor. All words, and nothing to back it up.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 2nd July 2009 @ 3:25 pm
Until this card is in our sticky mitts, we will belive !!, until then all we can do is wait and moan
Comment by unknown — 2nd July 2009 @ 4:47 pm
Sometimes I can log on with my normal link and sometimes I can’t. I just did not five minutes ago and most of the menu functions worked for me.
Comment by mustno1 — 2nd July 2009 @ 6:01 pm
I just sent myself an email from the “tell a friend” link in the menu.
I know,….. I have little to do. lol. I did get the email!
Comment by mustno1 — 2nd July 2009 @ 7:25 pm
So, you gonna buy another policy?! lol Your – your own upline!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd July 2009 @ 1:00 am
Glad I could amuse you, my own upline, that is pretty funny I got to give you that. No I don’t think that I will be buying any more policies, but thanks.
Comment by mustno1 — 3rd July 2009 @ 1:48 am
What you can seriously buy more this is a joke I hope these people get put in Jail for a long time.
Comment by Vic — 3rd July 2009 @ 7:36 am
So have you heard from the admin? No update telling you that you have been paid?
I do not beleive the rumours that people have received cards… Just a rumour set up, probably by ‘Stella’ and her gang.
Unknown. Have you invested in any of the other reverse pension plans which are online? Are you still waiting for these to payout?
Comment by random passer by — 3rd July 2009 @ 8:26 am
Sorry Mustno1, couldnt resist! Gotta keep a sense of humor, otherwise you’ll go batty.
These people are horrible for doing what they are doing, but that doesnt mean we have to sink down to their level of being failures at being human beings.
Going to work now, have a great day, and remember to keep smiling.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd July 2009 @ 1:30 pm
That’s alright, it was funny, proves you’re on your toes.
Three guy’s walk into a bar, the forth one ducked. He was not injured.
Regards
Comment by mustno1 — 3rd July 2009 @ 6:56 pm
random passer by, always in for a go, yes have done a few other p/ps can only have a go life is a gamble, why not who knowns what is our future ,it is better to have than not , wait and see
Comment by unknown — 3rd July 2009 @ 7:39 pm
I’m not ‘in for a go’ I am realistic. It ain’t gonna pay out.
You have to work for your money.
Comment by random passer by — 4th July 2009 @ 8:39 am
Just been back on the gpp website, and it’s back, which is strange. AND they still appear to be accepting payments…. even stranger!
Any updates yet?
I really want to know how this will end up!
Comment by random passer by — 4th July 2009 @ 11:00 am
tried again now… and it’s gone again!
odd
Comment by random passer by — 4th July 2009 @ 5:44 pm
Is gone! You guys are right Scam has been declared!
We’re going to report the site to the local internet authorities. Include sales pitch from the GPP Team Leader; Estelles, JudahLion.
GPP Group Members
Comment by GGM — 5th July 2009 @ 6:35 pm
GGM – don’t forget Team Themco as they promoted the scam constantly
Comment by Ben — 5th July 2009 @ 8:04 pm
so has anyone actually heard anything then? or just the lack of website?
Comment by random passer by — 5th July 2009 @ 9:08 pm
GGM,
ic3 DOT gov is the FBI clearinghouse for internet scams.
You can start a report and then go back and add to it as you learn new details.
Comment by ID — 6th July 2009 @ 3:46 pm
Looks like we have been had!!
You buy a lottery ticket and if you win you are happy….extatic eve.!!
If you lose, just say ‘bye bye’.
Looks like we are saying ‘bye bye’ to me.
It’s gone
Comment by Duped — 6th July 2009 @ 6:08 pm
Has anyone herd from there upliner, or from anyone else , the web sight is down ,but no one has any news to tell us. hope no news is good news
Comment by unknown — 6th July 2009 @ 6:38 pm
Is this FINALLY the end of GPP?
Have they run with the massive amounts of money blindly given to them? Safe in the knowledge that nobody has a contact name, ‘real e-mail’, phone number or address? or even a country.
It’s almost a let down if they end this quietly…
Maybe there will be an update soon… if GPP feel they can make more money
Comment by random passer by — 6th July 2009 @ 7:23 pm
GGM:
Im glad you are going to try and report them. I looked into IC 3 a while back, but I have no access to GPP websites, nor do I have any email correspondance (as you need this stuff to file the complaint). Please let me (and all of us here) know what happens!
Thank you.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 6th July 2009 @ 8:41 pm
Ladies and Gentlemen,
do all the angry people posting on this site remember tah it would take between 4 to 6 weeks before documents would be sent out to GPP program participants.
There is a realistic chance, according to the last post by the admin. that finally 100,000 sets of documents have been received and checked by GPP nad made ready for the Trust company.
The 30th of june was just last week!!!!
Do you expect them to be ready? They have never said the Trust would get it done in 1 week.
I would be starting to ask questions after august the 15th! Then 6 weeks have passed since june 30th, understand?
Sure admit, the waiting has been long. Also for me.
But hey, it will be worth it. I am sure.
In good health and prosperity you lucky GPP members.
Ernie.
Comment by Ernie — 6th July 2009 @ 9:27 pm
The authorities has taken every detail from us and advised not to do anything (not to alarm. Is their job!
Comment by GGM — 7th July 2009 @ 5:14 am
oh dear ernie.
Comment by random passer by — 7th July 2009 @ 8:11 am
But ernie
surely some people would have received their documents by now?
And if payout WAS happening, they would have mentioned it, rather then running away.
Comment by random passer by — 7th July 2009 @ 8:13 am
Ernie,
4 to 6 weeks from which “final” payout date I wonder?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 7th July 2009 @ 8:45 pm
Since when GPP fulfill their promises???
Comment by GGM — 8th July 2009 @ 3:14 am
Is there any upline who hawe heard anything fron GPP?
Is there anyone who has any contact too GPP?
Comment by UBBE — 8th July 2009 @ 7:38 pm
Ernie
see you back here on August 15th!
Comment by random passer by — 8th July 2009 @ 8:06 pm
Site was back up for me this morning. Used the “tell a friend” function to myself and other friends in the program and it worked. However “all” functions worked including buy additional and sign up. However, there is no new message in forum.
Regards
Steve
Comment by mustno1 — 9th July 2009 @ 1:10 pm
GPP website is back and up running again. You still can buy more additional policies!
Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by GGM — 9th July 2009 @ 5:01 pm
Lol, I am looking forward to seeing what the next update is
Comment by random passer by — 9th July 2009 @ 5:23 pm
It never ends, GPP has more lives than a cat.
Comment by sleeper — 10th July 2009 @ 7:42 am
Now they are back to forefill there obligations since the page is back
and running you will soon hawe an update don`t you think?
They will anounce that the program is an sucsess and it will take a while to check all doc`s before payout.
Comment by Ubbe — 10th July 2009 @ 10:22 pm
If they closed June 30, why are they still taking new members?
Comment by sleeper — 11th July 2009 @ 5:27 am
Ubbe- you can live in hope but I have a feeling there will be yet another delay.
Looking forward to an update
Comment by random passer by — 11th July 2009 @ 8:16 am
Now i heard it is hackers who have take over the website and opened it. I don´t think it´s true btw! We need to wait for an update on what is going on with GPP! Alot of rumors is out and people post alot of diffrent thing on forums on what is going on, but nothing is comfirmed!
We live in hope for a successful end of this story!
GPP CAN work !!!
Comment by Andersson — 11th July 2009 @ 2:35 pm
Not hackers!!! LOL, they told some radio moran that some mean spirited people stopped them from paying out just a month ago! OH NO, not mean spirited people!
Excuse, after lame excuse. If you still believe, please let me know why you still believe. I want to examine your thought (or lack of )process. Please tell me why after all these YEARS you still believe, I gotta know.
Hopelessly curious. And no angry little pissy responses needed, thanks, just actual thought processess.
have a nice weekend.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 11th July 2009 @ 8:59 pm
Because there IS an TEP market and the plan CAN work in theory! Nothing says it is impossible!
Of course a rpp like GPP is a big money machine for scammers, and i don´t think any other rpp than GPP is genuin because they pop up one after one after GPP. There is a chance that this program is real, but if nothing happen soon i will change my mind!
Comment by Andersson — 11th July 2009 @ 10:09 pm
Say, you have a house with a value of 300K and fully paid
with no mortgage on it. You go to your bank and ask to borrow
against it. Bank approves you for 60% of the value at
180K(300K x 0.6). So you borrow 180K at certain interest
and principal payment per month. BUT if you get a reverse
mortgage on it, it means, instead of paying the monthly
payments, the bank would chop away your remaining equity
in the house every month by the principal/interest owing every
month on it. After some years, bank will be owed the whole house
as no equity will remain. However, you get to use the house
and the money without monthly payments.
In the same way, say, you have a life insurance policy worth
300K and it is fully paid up so that there are no monthly
payments to be made on that policy. You can go to a bank
and offer it as a collateral so that they can loan you 60% on
it or 180K. But if it is reverse insurance policy loan, you would
borrow 180K with no monthly payments. HOWEVER, your policy
will continue to have reduced benefit by the monthly payments
you owe on the loan until the policy has no value for you. I am okay
with it since I got paid 180K without any monthly payments.
So Global Pension Plan is just that. When you subscribe to a
policy with them, it is of 300K value. Since it takes some years
of monthly payments to make fully paid, what they do is to have
have the policy sold to a financial institution which in turn will use
as a collateral to generate a loan for you in the amount of 180K.
From this loan, they will pay off say, 80K to the insurance company
to make fully paid. Of the remaining 100K, commissions will be say
25K and the remaining, 75K will be paid to you the original policy
holder. So since what you receive is all non payable loan, it must
be tax free. So for each policy you could thus realize 75K if you are
older than 28. Below 28, you would receive 150K since younger
you are the longer it takes for the policy to mature and hence more
time value of money.
If you walk into an insurance company, would they restrict you in
how big a policy you can have or how many as long as you are able
to make the monthly payments? In same way GPP does not restrict
to buy how many policies. Hence you could buy one policy for say $25.
Hence the possibility of receiving multiples of $75K or $150K.
I think this is ingenious and there is no reason why it should not work.
Comment by Andersson — 11th July 2009 @ 10:14 pm
Nice theory, but just that theory. These policies have no value,as they have not had any payments made into them. Besides, it is not your life they are now insuring, but the life of the members of the Trust. There is not an insurance company in the world that would issue this amount of insurance on one life (divide the total amount of the policies by 5 to get the amount per trust member) without collateral to do so. Ask any insurance agent what is the maximum amount of insurance they will write on you, and see what he says. It is limited by your net worth and your ability to pay.
Now I am not going to even get into all the other factors that also comprise this equation. This cannot work just on the numbers alone, not counting all the actuarial tables, age requirements, health statement, face amount, time until maturity of the policy, etc., etc..
But thanks for sharing the fantasy version of GPP with all of us.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th July 2009 @ 10:39 pm
Andersson
no offense, but you’re talking rubbish and you look a little thick.
The house analogy has no revevance, you CAN borrow against a house because you have so much equity against it. You need to repay that money.
It won’t work, most the other RPPs are probably run by the same people as GPP.
If it DID work, why do the banks not offer this service?
Comment by ccid — 12th July 2009 @ 8:58 am
Here is how it supposedly works:
An explanation of how Reverse Pension Plans work:
Reverse pension plans are innovative and highly profitable projects initiated and run by venture capitalists in pre-arranged cooperation with their insurance company and their mortgage company.
To gather a target number of eligible members, the venture capitalists set up a network-marketing operation (for example, Global Pension Plan or Global Connect Pension Plan), offering very generous referral commissions to those who will help get the word out.
When the Reverse Pension Plan has reached its goal number of contracts/members, the venture capitalists will purchase a pension insurance policy on each member which will, of course, mature when the member reaches say 67 years of age.
A quick Google search will reveal many entities who are willing to purchase these policies for immediate lump sum payout. This should assure those unfamiliar with endowment policies of their legitimate value. However, Reverse Pension Plan members agree to transfer ownership of their policies to the venture capitalists who purchased them on the members’ behalf for a one-time sum.
Then, as each member reaches the age of 67 years, the venture capitalists will collect the full value (about $250,000) of each policy – an assured, substantial, long-term income for them! Also, the cost of the policies, the compensation, and the referral commissions are all tax-deductible business expenses, too.
Additionally, with possession of these policies as collateral, the venture capitalists are eligible for massive loans. This leaves them with plenty to cover the cost of the network-marketing operation, referral commissions and administration. By using the loan to finance the program, they now own a pension policy with a significant value upon maturity.
So, now you see that Reverse pension plans benefit everyone involved!
Comment by sleeper — 13th July 2009 @ 6:02 am
Not my words, copied from an online article.
Comment by sleeper — 13th July 2009 @ 6:05 am
13th of July, 2009
Update
Dear GPP Members,
We are proud to tell you, that we have finally reached 100.000 confirmed members! This means practically, that 100.000 of those members, who have signed up with us, have also returned the documentation. Thank you for your endless efforts! And thank you for making this program successful!
We are now ready to proceed further. During the next two to three months all the memberships are checked and the documentation is handed over and processed. But to make the long story short, we are rolling! From now on the pressure is not on your shoulder anymore, but on ours.
There are about 42.000 Additional Policies still available. The insurance company prefers they are all gone as soon as possible. Get yours now for discounted price, as this offer won’t last long! Once they are gone, there won’t be another batch available. Better safe than sorry!
We are this close to the payout now! That’s exciting, isn’t it!
Sincerely,
Admin
Comment by usne — 13th July 2009 @ 2:36 pm
New post to the GPP forum by admin.
Comment by mustno1 — 13th July 2009 @ 3:30 pm
What a riot this last update was from the admin. Too bad they can’t remember what Stella said in these two updates:
and this one:
So wonder just what will take 2-3 months to review? I guess Stella sitting behind that desk at the insurance company was all for naught. Then of course they had 15,000 set of documents that had to be requested to be cleaned up, which means they had “been processed.” But I do love the plea for buying up the rest of the policies. If I am not mistaken, I think they now say there are more policies to buy than their previous plea to buy more policies. Not enough time to check it out, but I am sure someone here has those figures.
Wonder how many totally ignorant people will jump on the opportunity to buy more policies. And you wonder why those of us who know this is a scam keep saying so. Well, now you know.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th July 2009 @ 5:43 pm
who will buy the 42,000 additional policies?1€
Comment by ccid — 13th July 2009 @ 6:25 pm
Amazing!
42,000 (= 420,000 euro)additional policies must be sold.
Imaging another 420K euro to be sucked!!!!
Now we know. Is a SCAM.
WE will file report to the local authorities.
Comment by Andrew — 13th July 2009 @ 6:30 pm
another stalling technique
and the site STILL isn’t closed
Comment by random — 13th July 2009 @ 8:17 pm
Anderson
So GPP are selling Insurance policies… NOT pension plans/endownment policies?
Comment by random — 13th July 2009 @ 8:41 pm
Anderson
are GPP tradig on insurance or pension plans?
Comment by random — 13th July 2009 @ 8:42 pm
Now I really belive that gpp is big SCAM. I hope nobody not put anymore any money to the SCAM.
I do everything that those people who made this SCAM, will be found.
Mission of my life.
Comment by Genko — 13th July 2009 @ 8:54 pm
I found this elsewhere on the web (see below) about the latest post from GPP. I do not know how accurate it might be. It could be just speculation or, it could be a step in the right direction. I would hope the latter.
They are referring to the NDA-contract. The sign ups are done long time ago.
(ALL) members have to receive the NDA-contract including debit card, sign it and send back, then receive the pin-code. Since there are so many members this whole process will approximately take 2-3 months.
Comment by mustno1 — 13th July 2009 @ 10:02 pm
Of course if the comment below were true, why then have they not disabled the “sign up a new member” function?
Comment by mustno1 — 13th July 2009 @ 11:07 pm
2-3 months to check documents, what have they been doing with them all this time? Expect their 2-3 months to be more like 4-6 months.
Comment by sleeper — 14th July 2009 @ 5:18 am
Then they’ll say, oops, a lot of the documents are outdated or incomplete and must be resubmitted. They can delay this forever if they want. Hope I’m wrong, but that’s what I expect.
Comment by sleeper — 14th July 2009 @ 5:26 am
Also, still no mention of how they will pay us. Whatever happened to the Banking Solution?
Comment by sleeper — 14th July 2009 @ 5:41 am
Has anyone stopped to consider how many people who bought policies are now past the age of 67 and can no longer participate, but can only receive referral fees? Do you realize how that throws off the 100,000 they need? Now understand, there was never any referral fee money to pay. It was just all hype. Just one more illustration as to why this is a joke, and can never payout.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th July 2009 @ 5:46 am
I would love to know how much money they have made from this…
I think there are FAR more than 100,000 members and many people have multiple policies.
I also wonder if they have made more from selling peoples’ identity.
Comment by random passer by — 14th July 2009 @ 7:39 am
There is still no proof about what GPP are doing, as we seem to only speculate as the more they tell the more the hackers will go after them, the best is always worth waiting for, again lets wait and see no one knows, if any one had proof we would all know about it,
Comment by unknown — 14th July 2009 @ 11:55 pm
Unknown: In regard to your statement:
I can’t help but wonder what more “proof” you need to understand this is a scam. There is no possible way for this to work mathematically. The total amount of money needed to make this work cannot be done as this all has to be in ‘CASH.’ All the missed deadlines, the swiss cheese website that any third grader could hack, January 31, 2009 being the “FINAL DEADLINE/DROP DEAD DATE” that was then made June 30, 2009. The fact they still have policies for sale even after supposedly reaching their magical 100,000 number; which will soon be announced they are still a few thousand short, and you will be given another FINAL DROP DEAD DATE/DEADLINE.
If that is not enough for you, then nothing will ever be enough for you. You will still be waiting for your payout next year, and you will still believe their excuses for not paying you. How sad.
Comment by EagleOne — 16th July 2009 @ 12:43 am
Eagle one. Well said.
Unknown. There is plenty of proof this is a scam. Do your research, all the delays, the ‘FINAL’ deadlines, the charity lies, the money won’r just be given out, the fact it does not actually tell you how it works on the website, the lack of contact details… and I could go on.
Surely this last update looks suspicious?
OK, you can still waste your life waiting for a payout, but I advice, don’t bother, you will begin to look a little silly after 4 years of waiting…. oh.
Comment by random passer by — 16th July 2009 @ 7:35 am
Found this any comments;;
…Finland was pressured to investigate but the US did not like the results.
What was discovered Global Pension Plan is an affiliate and is backed by Lloyds of London Insurance INC. GPP has been around since 1970 . it is the third largest pension insurance provider in Europe. Global Pension Plan has the best reputation for customer satisfaction and delivering what they promise before marketing to the US began.
at the start there were 3 large reverse pension plan insurance providers in Europe selling policies in Europe for over 40 years. these companies provide group pension policies to large corporation employers. these companies buy policies for their employees to fund their vacation pay, bonuses , and medical benefits .etc. this makes perfect business sense the cost to the company is 20 to 30 euros per policy per employee
the company gets 2000 to 3000 euros referral fees per person referred in. so they put all employees in 1-2 times per yr.. that is why Americans work just to live, Europeans work for the benefits.
how do i know this is true , well in the late 90s a friend of mine who i know in Wisconsin got married and moved to Europe. She works for a large warehouse shipping company like UPS with 20,000 employees. she kept sending me pictures of her vacations in Europe twice a year I asked her how she could afford it on an income as low as she was getting. she then told me how all the workers benefits worked over there and showed me how the reverse pension plans worked. the freight company has 4 work crews for 3 shifts. the 4th crew fill in for the people on 30 day vacations they are full time people also but get a little higher pay because they never know which shift they work from one month to the next. these positions are earned as a reward for faithful service in excess of 3 years. it was not until 2007 I found out about these RPPs in the US.
please be aware the official public policy of the US Gov in all these investment opportunities is to prevent payout so they can prove they are scams. The authorities will attempt to shut down legitimate programs , in order to grab the seed money to prove their policy to the public. the feds do not want the American people to find out these programs are real and legit and to find out US workers must work like slaves just to eat and that the Europeans do not. This is why everything is done through European Banks, and Non-Disclosure Contracts are mandatory. The US Govt then has NO JURISDICTION or power over the outcome. DO NOT FAIL to pay your due taxes, open an LLC to LIMIT your tax burden, live quietly & be happy ! Anyway…that’s how I heard it !
Comment by unknown — 16th July 2009 @ 8:18 am
Lol
Do you really beleive ANY of that?!
I am laughing hard, xx
Comment by random passer by — 16th July 2009 @ 12:29 pm
If it were true, GPP would have paid out within ONE year. Not four.
Lol lol lol
I do not beleive a word.
Comment by random passer by — 16th July 2009 @ 12:31 pm
Om my God. I can’t believe they are trotting out this dead horse of a story. I haven’t stopped laughing since I read this. There are so many holes in this made-up story, it is difficult to understand how anyone would believe it.
But then I considered unknown’s post, and how many others there are like unknown, and I can see how people would fall for this. Sad, but true.
However, if someone wants to insist this is true, they need to provide facts to support their position. Then I will gladly oblige them by debunking it.
Comment by EagleOne — 16th July 2009 @ 7:07 pm
Is there a new deadline? Is there a date of payout yet?
No.
Is this getting even more stupid?
yes
(Will Random ever spell believe correctly?)
Comment by random passer by — 17th July 2009 @ 6:29 pm
also,
unknown: there are so many holes in your story it’s untrue… but where did you pick this story up. Can you provide a link?
Comment by random passer by — 17th July 2009 @ 6:30 pm
I have just got my last link from TDU forum ( still havent figured out whats going on with TDU )see if anyone can is all i have, it was sent to me just passed on to see the responce as i can see not good will try harder next time
Comment by unknown — 17th July 2009 @ 7:44 pm
Unknown you are on the right path. “awesome”
Comment by Clemete' — 17th July 2009 @ 7:51 pm
It ain’t gonna pay
no matter what phony and laughable evidence you come across.
I find it worrying that people still believe. Means they may get conned out of a lot of money.
No rpp has paid out. EVER
If you still invest and believe, well, your loss.
Comment by random passer by — 17th July 2009 @ 8:07 pm
Hi! I am a member of this GPP and since i joined i have been positive and belived in a payout! But now i can´t see this is going to happen! Can´t we all help each other to seek for some info if GPP is for real or not so we all can forget this OR keep the hope on a payout!
The National Bureau of Investigation in Finland has investigate GPP for a year ago but it does not seem they did it anymore.. Anyone want to contact them and ask them about what they find out about GPP.
http://www.poliisi.fi/poliisi/krp/home.nsf/pages/indexeng
I am not a verbal person so i hope someone else is and want to contact them!
Comment by Confused member — 19th July 2009 @ 11:25 pm
Forget GPP and move on. Nothing is real.The authority should take action against GPP team leader sales pitch Judahlion /Estella of Teammegawealth. These are the crooks who promoted GPP.
Comment by angry member — 20th July 2009 @ 2:20 pm
Update 13 July 2009,
Dear GPP Members,
We are proud to tell you, that we have finally reached 100,000 confirmed members! This means practically, that 100,000 of those members, who have signed up with us, have also returned the documentation.
Thankyou for your endless efforts! And thankyou for making this program successful.
We are now ready to procedd further. During the next two to three months all the memberships are checked and the documentation is handed over and processed. But to make the long story short, we are rolling! From now on the pressure is not on your shoulder anymore, but on ours.
There are about 42,000 Additional Policies still available. The insurance company prefers they are all gone as soon as possible.
Get yours now for a discounted price, as this offer won’t last long! Once they are gone, there wont be another batch available. Better safe than sorry!
We are this close to payout now!
Sincerely
Admin
GPP WORD
Close off 31 January 2009
Stella entity gets sick and no one knows how to do Admin!!
Close off 30 June 2009
Update Forum Mail 13 July 100,000 signed documented CONFIRMED Members
42,000 Additional Policies we the Members have to buy!!!
We are close to Payout! Is that in 2-3 months during the handover to Trust Partner???
Or is Close off ????????????????
MY WORD “what goes round comes round be careful GPP, Supernatural realm is real and scary!”
Comment by optimistic — 21st July 2009 @ 8:10 am
I AM A BELIEVER GPP WONT PAY , have done some reserch have seen the light !!
Comment by unknown — 21st July 2009 @ 12:46 pm
Ladies and gentlemen,
GPP is paying a we speak. Last week (week 29) a lot of people in France, Germany, Austria and Switzerland, have gotten a #10 white envelope, which contained documents and a debit-card. This is not a rumour anymore. i hear the same story from all different kinds of people. There are too many people saying the same thing. Depending on which part of the world you live, participants will receive their docs in the right order. Do not dispair.
To a prosperous future you all.
Bert
Comment by Bert — 21st July 2009 @ 4:44 pm
Bert, if this is the case then I would imagine that any one of those people could take a picture of the contents of that envelope and then link to it from here.
Of course, that’s never going to happen because it is yet more hearsay and bullshit.
Comment by Ben — 21st July 2009 @ 8:48 pm
Would be nice if true, but even documents and a debit card mean nothing unless there is cash on the card. In any case, I doubt we’ll see proof here since a non-disclosure agreement would most likely be required.
Comment by sleeper — 22nd July 2009 @ 4:32 am
No cards or documents in Sweden
Comment by Mys — 22nd July 2009 @ 6:30 am
Bullshit
My friends are part of GPP. They would tell me if they got their cards. I would post it here so would many others.
GPP are still recruiting, a person actually saying they had been paid out would be good business. That NDA just makes people think ‘oh yeah, that’s why people have not posted about their payout’
If you still believe, you’re quite thick.
Comment by random passer by — 22nd July 2009 @ 6:32 am
NO CARDS IN UK !!!
Comment by unknown — 22nd July 2009 @ 8:32 am
there have also been rumours of pay out for ages, many months…. GPP have not said they have sent any cards out as they are still checking documents…. it’s all lies
(i’m in the uk)
Comment by random passer by — 22nd July 2009 @ 8:55 am
Hallo,
this is kiwistar from germany.
I have contact with 200 persons,
they are members of XXX or have some people in the line who are in GXX.
As today, the 22.07.2009 there are no documents or cards in Germany.
Comment by kiwistar — 22nd July 2009 @ 12:15 pm
Do what you want, but if GPP says keep your mouth shut or no pay, I’ll keep quiet. I ain’t that thick, maybe you are. Not a believer either until I see the cash.
Comment by sleeper — 22nd July 2009 @ 4:30 pm
Bullshit!
I’m from Austria with a group of 520 members. No one receive anything.
Lies after lies…IS A SCAM
Comment by am — 23rd July 2009 @ 7:51 am
I am not a member, my friends are, so I can talk as much as I like… but it won’t pay, will it?
Comment by random passer by — 23rd July 2009 @ 8:38 am
We expect new posting from GPP soon. Get ready here it goes:
Dear GPP Members,
We are proud to tell you, that we have finally sold all 42,000 Additional Policies. Thank you for your Generous Support! And thank you for supporting this program passed 5 years and making this program successful.
We are now ready to proceed further. During the next TWO to THREE years all the Additional Policies purchased memberships are checked and the documentation is handed over and processed. But to make the long story short, we are moving!
From now on the pressure is not on our shoulder anymore, but on you members.
We are this close to the payout now! That’s really exciting!
We the admin, Trust Partner and Insurance company highly appreciates your generous support and sends you our best wishes and luck for the last 3 years and a half.
Good bye and may the force be with you!
Sincerely,
Admin
Comment by BULL — 23rd July 2009 @ 4:57 pm
I am waiting til the end of September.
Got the money? It’s OK.
Still no money? Then I scream: It’s a f-king big SCAM!!!!
Comment by BATMAN — 24th July 2009 @ 4:31 pm
So much is going on behind the scenes with all our RPP’s and I wanted to wait to verify the rumors before giving more information.
I am happy to report that things are moving fast with several of the RPP’s now and I think we can safely say that it is not a case of “ifâ€
they pay but rather “whenâ€! All we ask is that you sit tight as I am sure that great news will be revealed in the next week or two. I respectfully ask you not to email me to ask for information as it is totally impossible for me to reply to all the emails I am getting regarding RPP’s. However, as always we welcome emails from those of you with proof positive results and please know as always your emails will be treated in the strictest confidence.
I will be offline for the next couple of days as I will be travelling to England to purchase my own home through Financial Hope! I will be back online after the weekend.
Estelle.
[Question from Ben: Is the website you’ve entered above your website?]
Comment by Estelle — 26th July 2009 @ 7:35 pm
This a quote from “estelle” on her website, teammegawealth.com, or what ever:
“Use common sense and do not assume anything you read is factual unless it is backed up with concrete facts and information that can be verified.”
This is kind of funny text coming from somebody that thinks GPP is legitimate business venture. But who needs facts, when you’re a “believer”. “Verified information” and “facts” are just some fancy words that naysayers and negative hatemongers use 🙂
I’m so surprised that this scam has dragged on as long as it has, and there’s no end in sight…
Comment by Rokka — 27th July 2009 @ 12:55 pm
If true, this is probably a warm up to convince members that GPP is for real. The scammers are just not satisfied with the millions they already have!
Some RPP already 10 years old still no payout. You can wait another 5, 10 years for GPP.
Comment by Nil — 27th July 2009 @ 3:22 pm
Big time GPP Sales pitch – Judahlion
Once bitten, twice shy..
In fact, the “waiting time” is exactly where GPP would like you to be because that would be the best place to get you and give it “legitimacy”!
———————————————————————-
Hi Friends and Family,
The GPP website is back up and running. Please go to your back office for the good news! We have reached our goal.
The boobirds and the naysayers are defeated with their lying tongues. Don’t listen to failures and defeated losers. They will never get anywhere in life. We are winners and we are victorious.
We will receive the blessing that we have long waited for. May God richly bless everyone of you, friends and family.
Blessings and Godspeed,
JudahLion
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Comment by Nil — 27th July 2009 @ 3:57 pm
GPP –
Yes. They lied. Then they will have to come up with more lies to cover up earlier lies. Then some more lies to cover up.
We will hear lie after lie,
Till the day we die,
Forever they will deny,
That they had ever lied….
Comment by Nil — 27th July 2009 @ 4:13 pm
What is new?
1. GPP admin lies
2. Estelle – Teammegawealth lies
3. Judalion – Judahlionnet lies
4. Terry Glider – Themco lies
5. Robert Moore lies
Shame on those members who sleep with GPP scam.
Comment by Nil — 27th July 2009 @ 5:00 pm
anyone listen to the talkshoe-gpp program tonight?
Comment by mustno1 — 31st July 2009 @ 3:12 am
mustno1 wrote
“anyone listen to the talkshoe-gpp program tonight?”
What for ?
Wayne McLean who hosts the call above is a total bullshit artist who knows no more about GPP than anyone else does. The reason he hosts these calls is to make money acting as a middle man buying contracts
for those people who don’t want to use e-currencies themselves, getting the instant referral bonuses etc.
He is a scam enabler in the Gary Holmes mould but not as incompetent
as GH, who doesn’t appear to know anything about the shit he’s selling.
Comment by rppsarescams — 31st July 2009 @ 1:16 pm
You can listen to it here: Link
Comment by Confused member — 31st July 2009 @ 2:58 pm
I listened live last night. On the chat section some person said that Europe were receiving stuff from gpp and swore that USA participants would receive in August. I haven’t heard of anyone in Europe receiving anything. I don’t actually know anyone in Europe though.
Comment by mustno1 — 31st July 2009 @ 6:08 pm
Don’t listen to all bullshit. Nothing is real.
Comment by UUr — 31st July 2009 @ 7:32 pm
For those who listen to Mclean “talkshit-gpp” program is a total retard
Comment by UUr — 31st July 2009 @ 7:48 pm
Did any body get any money?
Comment by Yvette — 3rd August 2009 @ 2:58 am
Stay cool, only 1 month is gone and almost every additional policys
are sold
Dont listen to all the crap people says
Comment by Ubbe — 3rd August 2009 @ 10:08 am
NO MONEY HERE!
quelle suprise
Comment by random passer by — 3rd August 2009 @ 11:56 am
Ubbe
how long are you gonna believe for? Really, really isn’t going to pay
Comment by random passer by — 3rd August 2009 @ 11:58 am
“Dont listen to all the crap people says”
Comment by Ubbe – August 3, 2009 @ 10:08 am
Then stop writing it! LOL
Comment by JH — 4th August 2009 @ 12:10 am
STILL NO MONEY HERE EITHER !!!!
STILL WAITING !!!
Comment by unknown — 4th August 2009 @ 7:59 am
yes unknown from lala-land, where is here ?
Comment by P — 4th August 2009 @ 10:51 am
UK why ‘P’
Comment by unknown — 4th August 2009 @ 12:41 pm
no money in germany, austria, swizerland – but an new warnig by austrian authoroties:
WARNING NOTIFICATION
Vienna, 01/08/2009
Pursuant to Article 4 para. 11 of the Versicherungsaufsichtsgesetz (VAG), the Financial Market Authority (FMA) is entitled in individual cases to disclose to the general public by publication in the official gazette “Amtsblatt zur Wiener Zeitung”, or in any other official bulletin with nationwide circulation, the name of a company not entitled to carry out certain insurance transactions.
By publication in the official gazette “Amtsblatt zur Wiener Zeitung” of 01 August 2009, the FMA is exercising this right and warns against the conclusion of insurance transactions requiring a licence with the following provider:
Global Pension Plan
This provider does not possess a licence issued by the FMA to carry out certain insurance transactions in Austria.
Comment by harro — 5th August 2009 @ 1:35 pm
ANYBODY KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT A BLOKE CALLED “WARREN ENGLISH” I’VE HEARD HIS NAME BANTERED ABOUT JUST LATELY !!??
Comment by MARCO — 5th August 2009 @ 8:29 pm
Interesting Harro.
Does anyone wonder how many people are involved in GPP? How the money has been split up? Who GPP members have made a millionaire?
Comment by random passer by — 6th August 2009 @ 9:03 am
The only “millionaires” that have been made through GPP are the ones who were behind it. As for Warren English, he is a major scammer out of Canada that not only was pimping GPP, HCI, Imperiainvest, but his own pension plan scam called MPP (Mega Pension Plan). Hopefully the Canadian authorities are finally going to do something about him. At least one can hope. Just Google his name, and you will see what I mean.
Wonder how many gullible’s bought up the rest of those policies? Expect another excuse update towards late September as to why they cannot proceed to payment. Of course it will say they need another 2-3 months for paperwork, or some ridiculous excuse; but the faithful will believe it. Sad.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th August 2009 @ 9:46 pm
The excuse will be that all the documents or member agreements sent to gpp need to be notarized. Thats the excuse that the others are using now.
Comment by pulsar — 6th August 2009 @ 10:47 pm
thats what i meant eagleone…. I wonder how many people ‘work’ in GPP and have been made rich….?? 2 people? 3 people? More?
I wonder how many policies have REALLY been sold and how much money GPP has bought in… millions of pounds… The people I know who invested have 8 policies each…. there will be a load of people with many policies.
(even though it claims that you can only have one policy on the GPP site?)
I would LOVE to know who ‘Stella’ really is and who is behind all this.
Comment by random passer by — 7th August 2009 @ 9:27 am
I can tell you that the real number of sold policys is far over one million, those have been sold for two years now and alot of people have bought hundreds of policys!!! I have over one hundred by myself, i bought them last year because i really belived what Stella said.. But today i know my money is gone! GPP have been going too long now with lies after lies and too many policys sold..
GPP have as of today bring in at least 10 million euro.. 300.000 paying members (maby alot more..) *20 E = 6.000.000 Euro
One million sold policys (maby alot more..) is 10.000.000 Euro AT LEAST!!!!
GPP is the biggest scam on the internet today!!! I can not belive that GPP is going to payout at this time. It´s been going too long now. Just the fact that GPP is still open for new members and more ad. policys is just a big joke!
I really hope that people stop sign up more members and not bying those fictive “policys” now..
Comment by Fredrik — 7th August 2009 @ 2:19 pm
The answers to your questions will only be known if the authorities are able to find them and arrest them. If that does happen, I would not be surprised to hear that Tom Sornes, Roger Karlsson and Pedro Dispenza were behind not only GPP, but HCI and ImperiaInvest. Just my hunch, but time will tell.
Actually their biggest mistake was allowing each individual to have more than one policy. This kept the price to where it made it difficult for anyone to complain, and most government agencies are not going to do an investigation over a mere $30-$50.
While keeping it to one policy would tend to keep any government agency away due to the loss not being worth the cost of an investigation, by allowing more than one policy they also exposed this as a scam. The value of each policy is $200,000. No insurance company is going to write a pension, endowment, or any combination thereof, more than this on one person’s life. If they had 8 policies, that is $1.6 Million dollars on one life, and especially if that person is only making $40,000 a year. No insurance company in the world would be that stupid. You do not insure someone making $40,000 a year for $1.6 Million dollars. Make it 30 policies and it is even more absurd. I know people who have bragged about having 30 policies, and they still don’t get it. All they can think of is how much 30 x $55,000 is, and won’t listen to anything else.
So for all of you “believer’s” still think this is real?
Comment by EagleOne — 7th August 2009 @ 8:38 pm
That is absolutely right… the smallish insignificant amount is simply a way to win souls who are sworn suckers… but even that too has a line drawn with a limit to one’s intelligence being insulted at. It is also like, having prior knowledge and releasing or buying up Stocks & Shares before its officially allowed to the public. One can be sued and imprisoned for it.
What becomes completely incomprehensible is when you get cheerleaders deliberately, supporting the Plan with all kinds of ambiguous defending of the plan, non payouts, adhering patience on negative fears echoing and what have you that isn’t already in the book to describe, its a Scam from day one!
Its only sad when a newbie shows up and starts the tap dance all over again… cos the buggar hasn’t lost it all….just yet!
Comment by TT — 8th August 2009 @ 5:05 pm
wonder what car ‘stella’ drives?
Comment by random passer by — 8th August 2009 @ 5:24 pm
Probably a Cadillac Escalade.
Or two.
Comment by Member — 8th August 2009 @ 7:17 pm
May be she is driving…….. CRASY of thinking how to spend her rest of life in the prison…
Comment by usne — 8th August 2009 @ 10:40 pm
I fouded GPP’s Liberty Reserve account 28th of july, and it still was possibile to do it, but they still haven’t repled, I coudn’t sign up, although I sent 3 e-mails in the meantime.SCAM? I think now that they are SCAM, IF THET ALREADY CLOSED THE PROGRAM HOW IS IT POSSIBILE THAT PAYMENT CAN GO THROUGH.
Comment by lillyofthevally — 9th August 2009 @ 12:12 pm
How it is possible for GPP to proceed scamming people when the police in Finland have found part of the GPP network in house searches last year?? Anyone know?
Comment by Member — 9th August 2009 @ 1:59 pm
Hello August,
I didn’t understand your mail, what did Finish police found?
Comment by lillyofthevally — 9th August 2009 @ 2:43 pm
Translation from Finnish, courtesy of Rokka.
Criminal investigation of Global Pension Plan-pyramid scheme has revealed new scam plans. National bureau of investigations Turku unit has found indications, that there’s already new, similar schemes to collect money from the gullible, tells Turun Sanomat.
Plans for new scams have been revealed in house searches, that police have conducted while investigating GPP in Helsinki, Forssa, Turku, Oulu and Tampere.
People should think where they put their money, can a few tens of euros investment bring you loads of money in a moment, says senior constable Esko Vesanen from NBI of Turku.
GPP network, which was marketing pension insurances, managed to collect from investors at least a pot of hundreds of thousands of euros. Exact figure is not yet discovered. Money went to foreign accounts, and tracing it has been a difficult work. Police haven’t been able yet to discover who was/were running GPP-pyramid scheme. Finnish NBI has been investigating GPP since spring.
Article Published 05.08.2008
Also: http://www.yle.fi/uutiset/news/2008/08/police_turn_up_more_pyramid_scheme_plans_313439.html
Comment by Member — 9th August 2009 @ 9:55 pm
Rokka: Anything new from the Finn’s investigation? It seems everything has gone quiet after the press announcement of last May regarding this investigation. Anyone charged who were mentioned in this report from May 08? Thanks for any information you can provide all of us.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th August 2009 @ 12:55 am
I would really want to know too how it is possible for GPP to keep running after this investigation last year! Do you think the GPP staff have provided info to the police that they really are for real with banks, insurance company and all of thats needed???
Something have happen after the police found them, it has been totaly quiet from the police in over a year after this, and, GPP is still running!!!
Maby there is a little chance that this is for real!?
Comment by Member — 12th August 2009 @ 12:26 pm
That’s a good question. If it is a scam, why wasn’t it shut down before now, in Finland anyway?
Comment by sleeper — 12th August 2009 @ 2:37 pm
because they can not work out which country it is operating in?
No chance of payout
not even a tiny winy chance
Comment by random passer by — 12th August 2009 @ 4:34 pm
Get your extra contracts for global pension scam from me.
Only 10 euros from GPP but I will charge you 25$ or 17.58 euros
per contract. Thats a clear profit of 7.58 euros per contract for me.
I’m an honest man and really really believe GPP is real.
Your Saviour
Wayne McLean.
Comment by wayne mclean — 12th August 2009 @ 6:10 pm
Be patient. Have confidence to the authorities. I know that the Singapore authorities started their investigation a year ago and closing soon… VERY SOON we will know who is Stella and gang
It has been said by Oscar Sanchez, “When even the smallest part of truth has been hidden, a great lie may be born”.
Comment by Sin — 12th August 2009 @ 6:22 pm
Yea right…and they have been look for the conspirators that killed JFK for 40 years and have not found them yet!!
HAAAAAAAA
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 13th August 2009 @ 12:02 am
Still no NDA or Card in Sweden…….
Comment by Mys — 13th August 2009 @ 6:35 am
How difficult can it be for the authorities to find them? Just trace their isp & e currency accounts and see where the money goes and who gets it. Seems simple enough.
Comment by sleeper — 13th August 2009 @ 6:04 pm
It appears that MPP bit the dust today.
Comment by pulsar — 13th August 2009 @ 11:18 pm
Yes another one of the RPP scams has gone.
How much money did you make on this one Mr English ?
I’m jealous, I wish I was as good a scammer as you.
Comment by wayne mclean — 14th August 2009 @ 12:22 am
I agree. Warren English is nothing but a crook.
There absolutely NOTHING that he has ever ran that has ever paid a single cent to anyone other than himself!! He has a right nice gimmick going here. Step up every few months to a year and roll out a new program and reap $400k or better with the “setup” fees and make off like a bandit!!
Slick, I must admit!
Yes Mr. English we know that you are crook!!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 14th August 2009 @ 2:27 am
Sleeper, I beleive there are many ways people can protect themselves over the internet- they will have the best technology, and may be operating from different countries? Who knows.
Comment by random passer by — 14th August 2009 @ 8:43 am
There are many ways to find them too. It all starts with follow the money.
Comment by sleeper — 14th August 2009 @ 5:13 pm
but if they’re operating in so many countries- which country will be responsible for investigating?
They have a number of accounts registered in different places, they are pretty much untraceable.
Comment by random passer by — 14th August 2009 @ 6:12 pm
The authorities are closing in. Within the next 72 hours we will know WHO is behind GPP.
WATCH OUT YOUR LOCAL NEWS ESPECIALLY CNN AND BBC NEWS.
Comment by warren — 14th August 2009 @ 6:28 pm
How sure are you about that Mr. Warren ?
Comment by Member — 15th August 2009 @ 12:06 am
Well “Member”,
I would submit that Mr. English has been running various “programs” for the last 5 years and not a single one has paid out.
The Heart Project, Oil Ventures, MPP, and several more.
Everything looks good at the beginning and all throughout the fee gathering processes, but always, at the last minute, just before payout…something comes up and either someone dies, a bank shuts down, the “funder” takes off and withdraws from the program or some other story.
Now how many times does coincidence and fate have to play into something before it begins to smell a little “fishy” and wrong!!
You make up your own mind…I know I have!
Comment by Concerned Citizen — 15th August 2009 @ 3:16 am
Very sure. if you’re GPP investor. Be patient, 40 more hours to go. Dont miss it!
Comment by warren — 15th August 2009 @ 3:45 am
If the perps behind GPP really are going to be exposed and hopefully charged, I also hope they go after all the major pimps of GPP as well. Let’s see that would be Terry of TeamThemCo, Lori and Estelle, Jon Wright, judahlion, thm, RaPpEr, eirekim, Len Middleton, Berry Ball, Warren English to name a few.
Hmmm, if they did that, wonder if Warren is still as excited about the next 40 hours as he claims if they do? Inquiring minds want to know.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th August 2009 @ 4:29 am
I would like to know if the people behind GPP are also behind the other RPPS Judahlion are investigation… If so I would LOVE to know how much money they have made.
Comment by random passer by — 15th August 2009 @ 7:45 am
That didn’t make sense.
I don’t know what I meant
oh well!
Comment by random passer by — 15th August 2009 @ 12:07 pm
maybe should have been something with introducing…. or investing…
Comment by saleil — 15th August 2009 @ 11:28 pm
GPP site is down.. Maby the authorities finally are in action.
OR the admin is doing some updates??
We will see what happen next!
Comment by Member — 16th August 2009 @ 1:17 pm
I told you so. Finally – GPP site is down. Isn’t it exciting!
Comment by warren — 16th August 2009 @ 2:40 pm
So, it’s down again, so what? It’s been down many times before, so I wouldn’t get excited just yet.
Comment by sleeper — 16th August 2009 @ 3:58 pm
GPP site is back up, the saga continues. Lol!
Comment by sleeper — 17th August 2009 @ 1:49 am
Amazing!!
Never ending GAME – You can stil buy more GPP bullshit.
Sales pitch Judahlion seems to be working VERY VERY hard for this sucking program.
———————————————————————-
Hi Friends,
Be advised that the GPP email is up again for you to send your ID documents and Member Agreements.
You can still sponsor and input contracts for new members as well as current members since GPP is now accepting the ID’s and MA’s. I sent off a bunch today that were returned as undeliverable on June 30 and all dates after that. Thank God that no one will be left out.
Also you will be able to send regular emails to GPP support.
Blessings and Godspeed,
JudahLion
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Comment by BK — 19th August 2009 @ 9:35 am
Is it time for another final closing date? What a joke!
Comment by sleeper — 19th August 2009 @ 6:44 pm
Anybody here ever get any request from GPP out of the 15,000 supposed bad docs, to do them over and re-submit?
Comment by pulsar — 19th August 2009 @ 7:20 pm
GPP – Global “Pull S**t” Plan
That’s what GPP is…S**t….full of s**t…
Comment by member — 20th August 2009 @ 3:11 am
Sorry guys. No pay out they still short of 15,000 members. Don’t miss it BUY now….and please buy more…
What a ****ing joke!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by member — 20th August 2009 @ 3:14 am
No one was sent an email to resend their documents it was BS.
Comment by dieterhenke — 20th August 2009 @ 6:51 am
Using the name “dieterhenke” gives your post absolutely no credibility. Most of us know the story about the aforementioned. Don’t you have anything better to do?
Comment by pulsar — 20th August 2009 @ 5:33 pm
GPP – My CSI
Believe nothing, no matter where you read it or who has said it, not even if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense
Comment by Drrafick — 21st August 2009 @ 7:56 am
HELLO GUYS, I WAS ABSENT FOR A WHILE ( SUMMER HOLIDAYS)AND I SAW SOME NEW COMENTS ABOAT GPP, YESTERDAY I RED ON JUDAHLIONS’ FORUM SITE THAT GPP IS BACK?! OF COURSE, IMMIDIATLY I SENT THE MAIL CONCERNEING BATCH NUMBER OF MY LIBERTY RESERVE PAYMENT BUT UNTILL NOW NO RESPONSE, WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOAT OTHER PROGRAMS LIKE IMPERIAINVEST, WPP, HCI25 GLOBAL EXEL PROGRAM, DUBAI PENSION FUND. DO YOU KNOW ANYBODY WHO WAS PAYED?
Comment by lillyofthevally — 22nd August 2009 @ 12:18 am
MPP scam
HCI25 scam
GPP scam
Dubai scam
WPP scam
Imperiainvest scam
Excel don’t know
PWW possibly real
Comment by rpps_are_all_scams — 23rd August 2009 @ 8:02 am
Lilly: None of the RPP’s have paid anyone and never will. It makes no difference which program you mention, they have either gone bye-bye, or are in the process of going bye-bye. GPP, HCI, and Imperiainvest keep providing updates to keep people “hoping” they will pay, but they won’t. They are all scams.
Comment by EagleOne — 23rd August 2009 @ 9:30 am
GPP SCAM.
Justice may be delayed, but it can never be denied.
Comment by Drrafick — 24th August 2009 @ 6:21 pm
anyone receive gpp debit cards?
Comment by Fo — 25th August 2009 @ 3:12 pm
Certainly not in the Boston area. Nor do I expect to anymore! I’ve totally lost faith in any of this RPP horse poop!
Comment by pulsar — 26th August 2009 @ 1:23 am
GPP is a fu##### plan only screwing peoples.
Comment by dear — 26th August 2009 @ 2:24 pm
The GPP sales pitch says “things are looking good! Just be patientâ€
A sickening assessment. Both the scam promoters and positive member are sick to defend a seemingly immoral GPP scammer who cheated people of money. So sorry to say, I have the impression that the entire GPP members comprises of such characters.
Comment by dear — 26th August 2009 @ 5:38 pm
GPP scam as reported by “insider†on hyip forums has stopped paying their members. While some “few†members still got payment. It seems that GPP is doing selective payments practice, where they pay few members to keep the positive vote while at the same time they don’t pay larger members investment.
As “insider†reported several days ago, GPP will face a huge profit loss when their 150 days ‘returned principal investment plan’ expires. It is predicted that GPP will stop their admin on the middle of Sept when the larger investment amount will expire and they have to return the principal. They keeping their site up just to attract more new investors before they disappear.
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I will only say to all new investors, stay away from GPP.
GPP is scam. Just stay away from them
[Addition by Ben: I’d love to see proof that ANYONE has been paid. Not sure what you hope to achieve from these comments but it’s interesting to read what your latest ramblings say and what name you are using on any particular day]
Comment by dear — 26th August 2009 @ 8:20 pm
I do not think anyone has been paid. The problem with the internet is anyone can rock on up and claim to have been paid. GPP never planned to pay out. they will stay around until they can not stay any more… Hopefully they will hang on a little too long and get caught.
The GPP faithful will be the only ones who believe.
Comment by random passer by — 27th August 2009 @ 9:36 am
What would you accept as proof? We all know anything can be faked. The only real proof is if we get paid.
Comment by sleeper — 27th August 2009 @ 4:32 pm
Hopefully now with the web site down everyone will know that they have been scammed. I truly wish that these people get what they deserve and serve a lengthy sentence behind bars. ( No point given them a fine they would be able to pay it with all the money they got from this scam)
Comment by Vic — 28th August 2009 @ 2:55 pm
I can get to the site. Not that that means anything. I still think this and all RPP’s are bullshit.
Comment by pulsar — 28th August 2009 @ 10:48 pm
The website is NOT down, not for me anyway.
Comment by sleeper — 29th August 2009 @ 6:02 am
I can get on the site as well.
I wonder what/when the next update will be?
Comment by random passer by — 29th August 2009 @ 9:35 am
I expect a possibly update in the middle of September. Maby it can delay until October, then three months have passed. I wounder why GPP want to delay everything all the time. Two to three months just for checking the docs. I can´t belive this is for real, but i really want it to be! I don´t think i am the only one that want to belive until we see the result of this. And this will be the GPP staff arrested and jailed!
Comment by Confused member — 29th August 2009 @ 1:45 pm
Confused, when you say ‘I wonder why GPP want to delay’…. do you think it may be because they want to get more money from new sign ups/new policies.
Once GPP closes the income stops.
Comment by random passer by — 30th August 2009 @ 12:33 pm
I think that they will give an update as late as possible ie at the end of October. They can’t drag out this scam much longer than the end of the year I would have thought.
Comment by gppisascam — 30th August 2009 @ 11:35 pm
true, is has to end earlier… but I feel they may try and drag it out… greed is a dangerous thing!
Comment by random passer by — 31st August 2009 @ 10:42 am
The site expires at the 17 of Dec 2009. That will probably be the end of GPP!
http://www.who.is/domain_archive-tv/globalpp.tv/
Comment by Confused member — 31st August 2009 @ 4:00 pm
I think that despite any so called “Non Disclosure Agreements”, that participants would have some kind of proof being that this program is worldwide, that participants were receiving some/any type of mailing from GPP. Wayne McLean says he is encouraged from what he is hearing. Well all I’m hearing is the sound of crickets. NDA or not we would have heard something if people were getting something. I still think it’s all bullshit now but I have to keep checking because I got friends and family in it and they ask me to check and I don’t have the heart to tell them, don’t count on it.
Comment by pulsar — 31st August 2009 @ 7:16 pm
Because Warren Mclean said the same **** about his bank that he said about GPP and MPP. If we believe that GPP is any more real than any of the rest of his nonsense, then we are the moron.
Comment by TR — 31st August 2009 @ 8:01 pm
Again, what will you accept as proof? Someone’s word? (people lie), a document? (easy to fake). If someone else is paid, does that mean you will be too? (maybe, maybe not). The only real proof is cash paid to you. That’s the only proof I will accept.
Comment by sleeper — 1st September 2009 @ 4:57 am
No sleeper, I said that McLean said that people on the east coast and Hawaii were receiving mailings. I know plenty of family all up and down the east coast and I would know if anyone received anything at all. Anything at all. (TR) you got Warren English and Wayne McLean combined into one in your post. English is a promoter and McLean is a promoter of the promoter. I believe that English is a bullshit artist trying to save his ass, and McLean is a gullible believer that nevertheless accepted nominal fees from more gullible folks, to get them into these programs, (that includes me, although I did not use his service). I believe that McLean’s intent was to help people that could not understand the complications of funding e currency accounts and scanning documents and all the other stuff that was needed to get into these programs, and monitoring and informing people with his two weekly talkshoe programs. In any case, I hope I’m wrong but that’s the way I see it shaping up from here.
Comment by pulsar — 1st September 2009 @ 12:11 pm
McLeans intent was to make a lot of money charging people a big fee for buying their memberships and extra contracts.
Comment by rppsarescams — 1st September 2009 @ 12:40 pm
My brother is a member from the east with 23 downline across the east coast & Hawaii. No one received anything. All BS…
Comment by tommy — 1st September 2009 @ 2:54 pm
Yes rppsarescams, I believe that you are right and there is nothing wrong with that IMHO. Some people don’t know how to do these things for themselves and would rather have someone else do it for them and lets face it there is some work and time involved. That’s a decision individuals make to the benefit of someone else. Of course adding someone to your downline and then charging a fee for it is a bit of a double dip. But I also believe that Wayne believed in what he was doing and that his larger intent was honest, although he may not have disclosed to his “clients” just how much he would make off them if any of these RPP’s were legitimate.
I could be wrong….it has happened! But that’s how it feels to me. Oh, by the way, I just checked the mail and nothing, nada, zip, zilch, zero, in Boston.
Comment by pulsar — 1st September 2009 @ 3:55 pm
Wayne McLean’s a shyster just like Dieter Henke, Gary Holmes, John Noakes etc. They know these programs are scams and encourage
other people to join for the referral fees, middleman fees etc.
As far as I’m concerned they should all have their b******s cut off with a rusty piece of tin can and be forced to eat them. There as bad as the people running the scams.
Comment by rppsarescams — 1st September 2009 @ 9:40 pm
If they are scams then how is McLean gonna get a referral fee?
Comment by pulsar — 2nd September 2009 @ 12:54 am
Some of them offer instant referral bonuses.
Also some of the big scam promoters might be working in direct collusion
with the RPP scammers themselves, ie they might get a cut of a certain percentage of all the money they bring in.
Comment by rppsarescams — 2nd September 2009 @ 6:36 am
Alot or most of the promoters are or have been complaining that they are not or haven’t been getting the instant referral bonuses. In any case it’s just my personal opinion that McLean is not in collusion with these RPP’s so called admin’s. Do I think that he is in over his head now?….YES. I do believe that he is readily accessible physically in the US unlike these admin’s. He’s gotta be having second thoughts now.
That’s probably why Heather Wolfe bailed out, or that you don;t hear much from teammegawealth or themco.
Comment by pulsar — 2nd September 2009 @ 12:28 pm
I imagine Heather “referal w-h-o-r-e” Wolfe pulled the plug on her
blog because the instant referal bonuses dried up.
Comment by rppsarescams — 2nd September 2009 @ 12:41 pm
I don;t appreciate your language, is it really necessary? I believe that she left herself open to alot of frustration with her downlines and others simply because it was easier to reach her than it was to reach the admin’s of the programs she was keeping track of and in some cases promoting, and in some other cases warning against.
Comment by pulsar — 2nd September 2009 @ 9:10 pm
I don’t appreciate your repeatedly sticking up for the various scam enablers. I’ll say what I think, thank you very much.These people have spieled their jive, that these programs were real so they could make
money off of them, now as these programs turn out to be scams one by one
they can catch the flak which is due them.
Comment by gppisascam — 2nd September 2009 @ 11:17 pm
Team megawelth is so full of lies with Martha`s promises
of payouts and so on .They are only interested in cutting
som money from you
Comment by Ubbe — 3rd September 2009 @ 7:47 am
Global Pension Plan. This provider does not possess a licence issued by the FMA to carry out certain insurance transactions in Austria.
I N V E S T O R W A R N I N G – (Vienna, 01 August 2009)
Pursuant to Article 4 para. 11 of the Versicherungsaufsichtsgesetz (VAG), the Financial Market Authority (FMA) is entitled in individual cases to disclose to the general public by publication in the
official gazette “Amtsblatt zur Wiener Zeitungâ€, or in any other official bulletin with nationwide circulation, the name of a company not entitled to carry out certain insurance transactions.
By publication in the official gazette “Amtsblatt zur Wiener Zeitung†of 01 August 2009, the FMA is exercising this right and warns against the conclusion of insurance transactions requiring a licence with the following provider:
Global Pension Plan
This provider does not possess a licence issued by the FMA to carry out certain insurance transactions in Austria.
Comment by tommy — 3rd September 2009 @ 7:56 am
gppisascam…I appreciate your point of view. My disagreement is whether “some” of these people knew first hand that these programs were scams. That would link them as accomplices. The unfortunate part for them is that they can easily be found here unlike these admins. Intent is the name of the game in any indictment such as that Seigler guy in Virginia.
My regards to you.
Comment by pulsar — 3rd September 2009 @ 11:49 am
GPP has gone !! no link no more.
Comment by unknown — 8th September 2009 @ 3:12 pm
ooooh, I can’t get on it
Comment by random passer by — 8th September 2009 @ 3:44 pm
Yep, it’s down. But again, don’t jump the gun. It’s been down many times before and always seems to come back sooner or later.
Comment by sleeper — 8th September 2009 @ 7:26 pm
http://www.finanssivalvonta.fi/en/Publications/news_releases/Pages/16_2009.aspx
Comment by Confused member — 8th September 2009 @ 9:16 pm
Maybe, just maybe they are making adjustments to the site. I could see that. Sometimes even dependable sites disappear for revamp, although responsible sites will make it known first. Yahoo did it to me last week, but they announced it. Safe-mail also. GPP has done this many times, and it’s just my opinion or suggestion that that might be the case here. I’m definitely not an excuse maker for this piss poor program. But we’ve seen it before and like I said alot of sites come down for adjustments but the responsible ones usually give forewarning.
Comment by pulsar — 8th September 2009 @ 9:44 pm
The site is still avaliable to read via the IP adress:
http://209.249.221.14/members/secret/0000_sjdnxce9r_0000/
Comment by Confused member — 8th September 2009 @ 10:06 pm
Another SCAM at:
http://www.globalpensions.org
Program star September 1, 2009. 32,000 members are required.
To become a member send with contact detail to:
interest@globalpensions.org.
Comment by CM — 9th September 2009 @ 7:25 pm
Site is back! O_O
Comment by Confused member — 10th September 2009 @ 1:25 am
Yep back, let the games continue. LOL!
Comment by sleeper — 10th September 2009 @ 3:59 am
Pulsar, give it up. This notion they are making adjustments to the site, or they will revamp it is lame. This has passed its 4th Anniversary with all these promises and lies.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th September 2009 @ 9:01 am
Eagle one wrote Pulsar, give it up.
EO, I have given it up bud, but I monitor for my down line that hounds the hell out of me even though it’s all my money tied up in the piss poor program. Thanks for your understanding. I see that it’s back up this morning. No changes. Have a great day.
Comment by pulsar — 10th September 2009 @ 1:54 pm
at pulsar –
the same with me and my downline.
I told everybody, “if it’s not there (at a certain date) – forget it, it’s over without paying. You don’t loose anything and I don’t want to be reminded on that. If there is an important message for you, I will inform you.”
The date I told is long over. I guess it’s only me who still collects infos. But it’s not a topic at all with my downline. I don’t know if anyone else of them is in the internet looking for infos. I don’t know if anyone else is still dreaming about that.
I don’t ask. The topic is closed. I will only bring up it again, if there are positive striking real news which I hold in my hands.
And I still wish for them, something will come in the next future. It would be badly needed. Because I didn’t do it to collect riches.
Comment by saleil — 12th September 2009 @ 10:39 am
I still dont understand how this could go on for so long and these people make millions and this cannot be traced to anyone. Example – the money you send off has to go somewhere so where does it go. Follow the money thats what I say you should really be able to trace it. I dont know how complicated it can be but some clever fellow out there has to be able to trace where all this money has gone. Everything always leaves a trail after all!!!!!!!!
Comment by Vic — 14th September 2009 @ 6:54 am
http://www.worldlawdirect.com/forum/internet-hyip-scams/8682-global-pension-plan-778.html#post112936
Comment by koychi — 14th September 2009 @ 10:08 am
A good question, and difficult to answer because there are so many facets in explaining how. But here’s a condensed version that maybe will help.
First, law enforcement is not going to open an investigation for a $30-$50 loss. Until you know for sure it is over, there are no victims to file a complaint. By the time you figure out you were a victim, it is too late because they have already disappeared long before you knew and could prove it was a scam.
Unless you have a significant number of policies that pushes your total investment above $2,000, or you have enough people from one location to do a class action filing, is the only way you might have a chance at being successful in filing an action. Just too many people have moved on, and chalked it up to no big deal, and didn’t lose that much money to make a fuss over. So even getting enough people to band together to file a complaint is almost impossible.
Now having said all of that, I do know there are some countries who are investigating, but where they are in their investigation I have no clue because they don’t tell. It is possible they might find out who is behind GPP and bring charges, but that remains to be seen. If no-one of interest talks, then it won’t happen.
All you can do is warn people not to join. It is up to them to accept the warning, or to reject it. Many chose to reject it. The good news is there were enough people that did listen to keep the total number of victims below 450,000, or otherwise it would have probably been over 500,000 who would have joined.
Not sure if this helped or not, but just my 2 cents worth.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th September 2009 @ 8:18 am
How’s everyone doing? Any debit cards showing up anywhere on the planet? Didn’t think so. None here in the Northeast US anyway unless Wayne Maclean has heard of some. What a farse this has all been. Good Greaf!!!
Comment by pulsar — 23rd September 2009 @ 1:41 am
Stop to waiting. They scam your and my money. Good salary for them. 4 years work, about 27.000.000 euros. Not bad.
Comment by Stupid — 23rd September 2009 @ 10:51 am
I am not the best with computers as ever time I go near one it blacks out for a second then comes back on. Needless to say I only go on one when asked too or really need too. My mother was scammed by these people. Now she tells me the web site is gone. I tried and cannot find it. Is this right can you guys confirm this for me.
Comment by Vic — 23rd September 2009 @ 7:47 pm
Still There….
http://www.globalpp.tv/members/secret/0000_sjdnxce9r_0000/index.php
Comment by Clemete' — 23rd September 2009 @ 9:30 pm
Unbelievable how stupid most comments are on his pathetic forum.
Most people are too stupid to follow directions or intepred what is said.
GPP is a bonafide program. The last post on the forum was july 13th, stating that it would take 2-3 months to get all the paperwork in oder for the 100,000 menberships.
You guys do not know how long it takes from july 13thtill now?????
Not 3 months, is it?
Its amazing to see the precious comments of people that have a negative opinion, based on NOTHING. How stupid can you be?
For those who are involved: Patience, the reward is great.
For those who are negative: GET A LIFE and smarten up.
BTW, negative people have slowed the program down to begin with. Too stupid to load up the required documents to begin with.
Ernie
Comment by Ernie — 26th September 2009 @ 2:58 pm
Ernie, you need to go back on your meds. GPP legit. ROFLOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 27th September 2009 @ 12:22 am
Ernie, this bonafide program was supposed to pay out in 2007. I think that we’ve been more than patient.
Comment by pulsar — 27th September 2009 @ 12:31 am
To One Brain Cell (Ernie)
Anyone who believes anything Wayne McLean
says must be completely retarded.
Expect another contradictory “update” from
GPP at the end of October delaying “payouts”
by another 2 to 3 months.
Comment by gppisascam — 27th September 2009 @ 6:38 am
Oh Ernie! The hope in your writing is so….what are the words Im looking for? hmmm… Naive (ya, to put it nicely.)
In post 2118 I especially like how us (yup, Im one of them) “negative” people’s opinions are based on “nothing” (or two years of lies, and many “final deadlines”, final still means Final right? As in the end, no more, that ship has sailed, Oh wait, we had that discussion already a couple of months ago, Im re-gressing, sorry)
I guess I could counter that statement by saying you believe in something based on nothing, how trusting of you! Us naysers have more backing us up than do the yeah sayers. Just an observation.
As always, I really hope it pays out one day for you guys, many people are relying on that to come thru, like my friend, so I do wish you all the best.
But I dont think it was the naysers that delayed any proper paper work? That wouldnt be beneficial to the outcome (unless of course they had a last minute moment of clarity, and didnt want to send their personal information to strangers they cant call or write to as there are no address’s or actual real contact people other than the guy who signed you up.) Im just sayin…
This is just another opinion in a sea of opinions. Im going back to work now. Take care y’all 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 28th September 2009 @ 9:28 pm
I read on one of the other pages from August 14th that someone said for us to watch CNN NBC and so forth to find out who is behind GPP, Any updates on that?
And what ever happened with the people from last month or a couple of months ago that said they reported GPP to the FBI, any updates on that?
Oh, and a comment to the person that asked : how come no one has been caught yet? All you have to do is follow the money trail..) I dont think its that easy, especially when there is an Offshore bank involved, and E-boullions and stuff, that is what makes it harder to trace I think. Like money laundering sort of. But then Im not an FBI agent and dont know who has access to what. Just my opinion on why no one has been caught.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 28th September 2009 @ 10:12 pm
All rubbish……..
Comment by Clemete' — 29th September 2009 @ 3:14 am
Awww.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 29th September 2009 @ 3:48 pm
The GPP server “209.249.221.14” is unreachable
perhaps the’ve gone for good this time.
Comment by gppisascam — 1st October 2009 @ 8:24 am
MMMM. Is this the end?
I would LOVE to know how much the GPP people have made from this- and know if they are behind other RPPs and If Judahlion is behind it all too.
I bet they’re loaded.
Comment by random passer by — 1st October 2009 @ 12:43 pm
GPP are back to rip off some more people.
Comment by gppisascam — 1st October 2009 @ 6:56 pm
Amazing!
Judahlion weblog still promoting GPP scam!
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Dear Friends and Family,
The Global Pension Plan (GPP) website has been up and down for the past few days. This morning I tried to log on again through Mozilla Fox. It came up for a brief period and then went out again. The message said “Connection Interrupted.†This occurred while I was on the GPP site. It seems clear to me that this is a DDOS attack from enemies of GPP or from those who would like to see the program fail. Obviously, this condition is not from GPP or the website would not be up and down intermittently. DDOS attacks happen from time to time but it has always been corrected with time. GPP will correct the problem.
LOST MONEY
Many members, including us, have lost money in an attempt to enter payment for their GPP contracts through Liberty Reserve. It seems that someone is intercepting the funds because Liberty Reserve registers payment by way of a batch number; however, the payment did not get into GPP’s account because it is not registering the “paid for†contracts in GPP.
C-GOLD PAYMENT PROCESSOR
Before the GPP site went completely down a few days ago, many have reported that C-Gold was a better payment processor at this time because the link was not broken between GPP and C-Gold. However, the link is broken between GPP and Liberty Reserve. The hackers got to the website. We are confident that the site will be back up soon. So we keep watching and praying that we will be able to enter our contracts. All the contracts could not be sold because everyone is experiencing the same problem and therefore have not been able to input contracts.
NO NEW COMMUNICATION
We have not received any new communication from GPP so all we can do is wait. Anyone who first proves the website is operational should inform the others so we can all move forward with the input of the GPP contracts. Many, many people are waiting to enter their contracts.
MOZILLA FOX
When the site comes back up, my recommendation is that you use Mozilla Fox instead of Internet Explorer when inputting contracts since Mozilla Fox is much safer and much more secure. Also, I would use C-Gold as the preferred payment processor at this time; they seem to be more secure than Liberty Reserve. In the meantime, don’t panic! Keep a good attitude and things will fall into place.
Blessings to you all,
JudahLion
Comment by doncolin — 6th October 2009 @ 7:06 am
Those darn enemies of GPP= intercepting the website.
Wanna bet it will be their fault if GPP run altogether?
Comment by random passer by — 6th October 2009 @ 3:33 pm
Oh brother, that JudaLiar is something huh?! Yes, wait patiently to hear from GPP, but in the mean time, process that paper work and get that money in anyway you can.
Whatta load. Sad thing is, people are gonna do it. Shame on these people.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 6th October 2009 @ 3:45 pm
Yes !
Judas Lying is another one of those bible bashing conmen like
Gary Holmes/Wayne McLean.
Comment by gppisascam — 6th October 2009 @ 6:12 pm
Is it right that it is still possible to buy policies and join new members? There is nothing to say no more, so a lot of people could still think this is a going concern. The pages have not changed (they used to every few days as people joined) for quite a few weeks now. No comments from anyone in management. Is it true that Stella died? No one has heard from her for ages and someone in Germany must have passed a message as I have the idea that Stella has died. Does anyone know the truth?
Angie
Comment by Angie — 7th October 2009 @ 3:22 pm
Angie…. when you say ‘does anyone know the truth?’…. No. Except the people behind GPP.
Stella was apparantly sick but who knows if Stella even exists?? What do we know about her except her first name (or alias)… No address, phone number, only a hotmail account.
The truth… it won’t pay, people will continue to give in money and they will be made rich.
Comment by random passer by — 7th October 2009 @ 6:51 pm
HELLO PEOPLE NOT BEEN ON HERE FOR A WHILE , BUT IS THIS THE NEW GPP
There is new information below.
Read it all a couple of times to absord all that is being written.
There are still some contracts available.
Each $45 contract spend gets you approximately $78000 in rewards.
You can purchase up to 20 contracts.
Receive $3500 in rewards for sponsoring EACH CONTRACT that your referrals purchase.
They accept Liberty Reserve and C-Gold as payment menus.
If everyone that we have already sponsored in the HCI project would just purchase one more contract, then the project would close very fast.
Would you like to meet them in person??
Sponsor 12 people and they will bring you to NEW YORK City.
This will give you flights for 2 to NY City. A 4 day stay will full board (food and drinks) and a schedule of meetings and sightseeing.
Note from HCI:
We are extremely happy to inform you all that the first of 4-5 seminars in New York is now only 2-3 weeks away !!
We have been advised that we will be going to New York to meet with the HCI company and the project funder during the last seminar. The reason for us being scheduled in their last seminar is that we are one of the individuals who have promoted HCI the most.
Comment by marco — 7th October 2009 @ 9:30 pm
Marco: It is not the new GPP, this is the program called HCI25. Just like GPP it is also a scam, and belived to be run by the same scammers that are behind GPP. This is from a missive sent by Warren English to his group that were in MPP ans HSH, both his scams, as well as several others he has been pimping.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th October 2009 @ 1:31 am
does any body seriously know of anyone who’s been paid out by this. Going by other old sites etc on this it seems to have been running for a few years.Unless it flopped then and they’re ressurecting for the next generation of suckers. Can t seem toifnd any where anyone that has actually been paid out, so only leaves you to presume it a scam
Comment by kaybee — 9th October 2009 @ 7:09 am
Kaybee,
I’m a member from Germany and I have approx. 1620 GPP members in my downline mostly from Germans and eastern Europe and I can confirmed NONE received any from GPP. Members are keping quite simply because we no longer believe in their bull… we can do nothing!
Spreading rumors about NDA is to suck more money. Their site remained open and still accepting money.
For new comers our advise is don’t ever believe in any RPP programs.
We invested in numbers of RPP but None pay out. Some programs already passed 10 years and no payout.
God bless!
Comment by Schlag — 9th October 2009 @ 9:02 am
No – no GPP have not paid anyone.
I am 99.999999999999999999999% sure it is a scam.
Has been on for over 4 years with several ‘FINAL DEADLINES’
Comment by random passer by — 9th October 2009 @ 9:21 am
Have GPP not had the 2-3 months that they promised back in july. SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM SCAM.
Comment by Vic — 9th October 2009 @ 12:25 pm
They’ve had many months from many “final” deadlines.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 10th October 2009 @ 5:37 pm
October 13th puts you right 3 months….
Comment by Clemete' — 10th October 2009 @ 6:11 pm
OK, I’m tired of watching this Judahlion joker wrapping himself in religion while he’s ‘leading people into temptation’ by promoting scam after scam.
His blog is in direct violation of prohibited content rules specified in WordPress’ Terms of Service:
“Affiliate marketing blogs: Blogs with the primary purpose of driving traffic to affiliate programs and get-rich-quick schemes (â€Make six figures from home!!â€, “20 easy steps to top profits!!â€, etc). This includes multi-level marketing (MLM) blogs and pyramid schemes.”
The blog name is judahlionnet
You can report him here:
http://en.wordpress.com/report-spam/
Comment by Fed-up — 13th October 2009 @ 2:34 am
Dear Friends and Family,
The Global Pension Plan (GPP) website has been up and down for the past few days. This morning I tried to log on again through Mozilla Fox. It came up for a brief period and then went out again. The message said “Connection Interrupted.†This occurred while I was on the GPP site. It seems clear to me that this is a DDOS attack from enemies of GPP or from those who would like to see the program fail. Obviously, this condition is not from GPP or the website would not be up and down intermittently. DDOS attacks happen from time to time but it has always been corrected with time. GPP will correct the problem.
LOST MONEY
Many members, including us, have lost money in an attempt to enter payment for their GPP contracts through Liberty Reserve. It seems that someone is intercepting the funds because Liberty Reserve registers payment by way of a batch number; however, the payment did not get into GPP’s account because it is not registering the “paid for†contracts in GPP.
C-GOLD PAYMENT PROCESSOR
Before the GPP site went completely down a few days ago, many have reported that C-Gold was a better payment processor at this time because the link was not broken between GPP and C-Gold. However, the link is broken between GPP and Liberty Reserve. The hackers got to the website. We are confident that the site will be back up soon. So we keep watching and praying that we will be able to enter our contracts. All the contracts could not be sold because everyone is experiencing the same problem and therefore have not been able to input contracts.
NO NEW COMMUNICATION
We have not received any new communication from GPP so all we can do is wait. Anyone who first proves the website is operational should inform the others so we can all move forward with the input of the GPP contracts. Many, many people are waiting to enter their contracts.
MOZILLA FOX
When the site comes back up, my recommendation is that you use Mozilla Fox instead of Internet Explorer when inputting contracts since Mozilla Fox is much safer and much more secure. Also, I would use C-Gold as the preferred payment processor at this time; they seem to be more secure than Liberty Reserve. In the meantime, don’t panic! Keep a good attitude and things will fall into place.
If you need additional information, please sene me an email at: judahlion2@bellsouth.net.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Blessings and Godspeed,
JudahLion
Comment by JudahLion — 13th October 2009 @ 7:11 am
Reported Judahlion blog…
Don’t think person posting below is Judahlion- on his blog he/she has said they do not post on any other blog.
That post does show what a load of shite he spurts forth though
Comment by random passer by — 13th October 2009 @ 10:09 am
Blog suspended!
Comment by random passer by — 13th October 2009 @ 2:00 pm
Absolutely hilarious.
Perhaps someone could think of a way to get the two other bible-bashing conmen Gary Holmes/Wayne McLean off the internet.
Comment by gppisascam — 13th October 2009 @ 6:03 pm
Conmen Gary Holmes and Wayne McLean MUST BE PUNISHED immediately.
[Addition by Ben: This comment comes from the same IP address as the comment from “JudahLion” on the 13th October]
Comment by DD — 14th October 2009 @ 5:56 am
It’s unbelievable that people are still buying into GPP!
Is there no cure for stupidity?!!
Wake up people,
Smell the roses…..
You’re still standing at the station
While the train’s long gone….
Comment by No Pills for Stupidity! — 14th October 2009 @ 9:01 am
poor old Judahlion is probably blaming the ‘naysayers’ and ‘boobirds’ for getting his blog banned.
Wonder when he will realise god has nothing to do with it.
Comment by random passer by — 15th October 2009 @ 12:36 pm
There is new information below.
SORRY BEN I KNOW THIS BLOG IS MAINLY ABOUT GPP BUT THIS AMAZES ME COULD NYBODY I WONDER CONFIRM THIS PAY OUT.
HCI has already paid us out once in one of their projects named the Russian Project.
There are still some HCI25 contracts available.
Each $45 contract spend gets you approximately $78000 in rewards.
You can purchase up to 20 contracts.
Receive $3500 in rewards for sponsoring EACH CONTRACT that your referrals purchase.
They accept Liberty Reserve and C-Gold as payment menus.
Comment by MARCO — 15th October 2009 @ 6:21 pm
HCI25 RPP and their other programs are also all scams.
Comment by gppisascam — 16th October 2009 @ 5:38 pm
Hi all. Still many additional policies for sell in GPP. Go to buy one. Soon as you all buy them off. We can start to sent debit cards.
[Addition by Ben: The IP address suggests that this comment was made by somebody in Finland]
Comment by stella — 17th October 2009 @ 7:25 pm
Here’s a challenge for any of you reading this blog who think that GPP is real. Call your friendly insurance broker and tell him that you purchased (give him the number of policies you purchased) reverse pension plan policies. You want to know how much the annual premiums would be for that many policies. Then ask him how many policies would he write on you based on your income. Then come back and post what he told you.
Just think, here is your chance to prove all us “naysayers, negative thinkers, trolls” etc. up. You will be a hero to the hundreds of thousands who joined GPP and bought all those policies. Any takers?
Comment by EagleOne — 17th October 2009 @ 9:18 pm
You made the suggestion you do the work and let us know.
EagleOne
Comment by Clemete' — 18th October 2009 @ 4:49 pm
I think eagleone has better things to do than waste his/her time resraching things when they know exactly what the outcome will be!
How many times can you be told this is a scam?
Comment by random passer by — 18th October 2009 @ 8:07 pm
Well…….don’t make the suggestion. Not my concern!!!! If you don’t have time…….then don’t worry. People will do what they want with what the want and it’s their own time and money to lose. So why waste time complaining, researching, looking or even repeating the same old song over and over. Complete Rubbish!!
Comment by Clemete' — 18th October 2009 @ 8:46 pm
I look because I find it incredible that people STILL think this has ANY chance of pay out, because I like to see how GPP are stalling, and fooling people out of more money.
If people are stupid enough to still believe- I want to know! I can choose how to spend my time thank you very much… We KNOW this is a scam… some people are too stupid to realise this though.
Comment by random passer by — 19th October 2009 @ 12:12 pm
(I also think eagle one may have been slightly sarcastic!)
Sure, go on with this stupid belief that GPP pay out- but forgive us for being interested in how GPP runs!
Comment by random passer by — 19th October 2009 @ 3:52 pm
I think somewhere deep inside of you ……there is a DEEP obsession with GPP and with hopes that they will pay you. I think it’s stupid to keep talking to yourself. How can you have and interest in something……if you don’t believe it exist. Go figure!!!
Some people have nothing else to do. Spend more time creating one that does work. Then we all can be productive!!!
Comment by Clemete' — 19th October 2009 @ 5:16 pm
Clemente: It only works when the person who thinks GPP is real asks for themselves. This way they know the answer is not made up, a lie, or has an ageda. The mere fact you are afraid to do it yourself speaks volumes. What are you afraid of? As they saying goes, experience is the best teacher.
But as expected I wasn’t expecting anyone to actually take the challenge. It means they would have to deal with reality, and not hype and hope.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th October 2009 @ 1:38 am
I have NO fear dear. Just don’t have the time nor interest to play years of GPP games. My life is full and happy…..looking for something new and of value. Again…..you are the master mind…..create something that does work.
Comment by Clemete' — 20th October 2009 @ 2:08 am
(not sure what clemente is babbling on about)
Ahhh well. I don’t care, I enjoy checking this site- thats the way it is and I’m sure eagle one does too!
Comment by random passer by — 20th October 2009 @ 7:59 am
oh … and I have not invested in GPP…. so I do not care if they pay out!
Comment by random passer by — 20th October 2009 @ 8:00 am
Enough said…… Keep looking!!!!
Comment by Clemente — 20th October 2009 @ 8:58 am
clemente:
Can I just ask- have you invested much in GPP? And do you think it will pay out?
Comment by random passer by — 21st October 2009 @ 8:15 am
clemente = troll
loosers cheeting eachother 😀
Comment by stella — 22nd October 2009 @ 1:55 pm
Play nice boys and girls…..dont get mad at each other, get mad at GPP! After all, they are the ones jacking everyone around, not anyone here on this blog.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 23rd October 2009 @ 4:38 pm
GPP have abandoned maintenance of their website.
When logging in you get the following error:
“Script error occured. Please retry later!”
Comment by gppisascam — 27th October 2009 @ 6:55 pm
Judas Lying has a new website: http://www.judahlionnetwork.com
Unfortunately for her she’s put her name on the whois record.
Registrar: FastDomain Inc.
Provider Name….: BlueHost.Com
Provider Whois…: whois.bluehost.com
Provider Homepage: http://www.bluehost.com/
Domain Name: JUDAHLIONNETWORK.COM
Created on…………..: 2009-10-20 22:55:09 GMT
Expires on…………..: 2010-10-20 22:55:09 GMT
Last modified on……..: 2009-10-20 22:55:09 GMT
Registrant Info: (FAST-14025073)
Olga Bedward
308 Jenny Ann Court
Hampton, Georgia 30228
United States
Phone: +1.7707071828
Fax..:
Email: [removed by Ben]
Last modified: 2009-10-20 22:55:09 GMT
Administrative Info: (FAST-14025073)
Olga Bedward
308 Jenny Ann Court
Hampton, Georgia 30228
United States
Phone: +1.7707071828
Fax..:
Email: [removed by Ben]
Last modified: 2009-10-20 22:55:09 GMT
Comment by gppisascam — 27th October 2009 @ 10:13 pm
The GPP site is working for me, however, the sign up new members is not working, nor can I see my downline.
Comment by pulsar — 28th October 2009 @ 11:50 am
Why does not Do you think the referral downline? This is something positive?
Comment by Nt — 29th October 2009 @ 2:02 am
I can;t answer that, would you care to rephrase? I don’t know why I can’t see my downline, maybe it’s just me.
Comment by pulsar — 29th October 2009 @ 11:23 am
Why do not work the sign up new members and referral downline on the GPP site? You are understand my question? 🙂
Comment by Nt — 29th October 2009 @ 12:49 pm
Program closed. Payout begin
Comment by Puncak — 29th October 2009 @ 3:44 pm
Wow, Judahliar is a woman?! I expected an elderly man with some kind of mid eastern accent, I dont know why I thought that.
Payout begin?! Doubt full.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 29th October 2009 @ 7:10 pm
When do you think of that comes on the card?
Comment by Nt — 29th October 2009 @ 8:04 pm
Sorry, because I little speak english! Who received a card of GPP? Who has news of GPP?
Comment by Nt — 29th October 2009 @ 8:13 pm
Obviously the heat is getting to Wayne “Bullshitter” Mclean, he’s now pretending that he’s convinced that there will be a payout from GPP by Christmas, but he advises in the meantime that GPP members don’t mention anything about the non existant payout from GPP in this or other fora otherwise GPP will remove you from its scam program. What a total tool this man is.
Comment by scam_enablers_have_no_shame — 1st November 2009 @ 12:43 pm
Obviously the heat is getting to Wayne Mclean, he’s now pretending that he’s convinced that there will be a payout from GPP by Christmas, but he advises in the meantime that GPP members don’t mention anything about the non existant payout from GPP in this or other fora otherwise GPP will remove you from its scam program. What a total tool this man is.
Comment by gppisascam — 1st November 2009 @ 2:09 pm
NT:
No card, no payout. Sounds like Dr. Suess…No card here, no card there, no payout here, no payout there, not on a boat, not in a moat, not on a plane, not in a train, no pay out here, no payout there, no payout anywhere….lol..
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st November 2009 @ 11:12 pm
Well the Update for November has now been posted. Now I know this is going to come as a shock to many of you, but YOU CAN STILL BUY MORE POLICIES. In fact, until all the 25,000+ policies still available have been sold, this will not close. You can’t make this stuff up folks. What is really tragic is that many will buy this total BS and send them more money. THERE WILL NEVER BE A PAYOUT. But here’s the update:
02nd of Nov, 2009
Update
Dear GPP Members,
A short word to let you know, that we are on track and going strong! Referring to the latest update a short while ago, the insurance company sent us a note recently, that there still are some Additional Policies available. After a thorough discussion between the Trust Partner and the relevant parties, they decided to let all the Additional Policies go until we are fully closed. Back then we had around 42.000 policies left, but only 25.600 today. If properly and effectively marketed to your downline, it’s only a matter of two to four weeks to have them sold out. This is the final goal to reach! Undoubtedly the progress has been rather slow during these weeks, but that’s conceivable. Members are mainly concentrating on waiting for the results instead of still working and growing their business. It’s been a long journey together until this very point and the benefits of hard work are almost within our reach now. So, this update is the wake-up call for the last day at work before a long and well deserved holiday! Technical note. We had to ask LR to disable the internal messaging system because of the huge amount of incoming messages. We had absolutely no change to have them sorted out. So, please don’t send us messages via your LR account, they will not be delivered. As some of you know, the Trust Partner consulted an Asian group to set up and operate a similar program to ours in various Asian countries. The membership was only available for the citizens of four countries in SE Asia and stricktly limited to 14.500, thus the lack of advertising amounts the GPP members. This program was a great success and has come to an end. The first three batches of 1.000 checks have been sent out already and more is being processed all the time. The operator has decided to launch a second run with the same very limited number of seats available. However, as you could imagine, the current members are priviledged and will snap the free spots in a few moments. This is how these programs work at their very best. The first round is the slowest, most difficult, most frustrating, causes the biggest amount of work and headache for the members and the admin. It also causes a lot of controversy, as from time to time it looks like a never-ending story. But once the foundation has been developed well, the rest is history.
Sincerely,Admin
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd November 2009 @ 7:05 pm
And lest we not forget that their last communication wherin they stated that from now on all responsibility is on “their” shoulders. What bull****!!!!! And the other half of the communication was completely irrelevent. Can you hear me “now”!!!!!
Comment by pulsar — 2nd November 2009 @ 7:23 pm
These people are really having a laugh are they not!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by VCJ — 2nd November 2009 @ 8:23 pm
Oh my, they sure say a mouthful dont they!?
I like this part:
“Members are mainly concentrating on waiting for the results instead of still working and growing their business”
I think that translates to : Stop thinking about getting You and your people paid, and concentrate on getting GPP more money! Sell! Sell! Sell!
And Oh Snap, look: “This is the final goal to reach”. Another FINAL goal. Hmmm, that tricky word “Final” again, here meaning the opposite of what we in the free world know as Final.
Its like watching a train wreck, you see it, you know its bad, but theres nothing you can do to help the people.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 2nd November 2009 @ 8:43 pm
Of course the current promoters are going to tell us what good news this is. Squeak every last nickel out of the current members by holding them hostage basically. Wonder how McLean will spin this up? Of course he is “very” encouraged by what he hears. Well Wayne, “listen up”. We need ya to sell the rest of these policies for us before we disappear.
Thanks
Comment by pulsar — 2nd November 2009 @ 10:10 pm
Actually there is a very simple solution to getting all the rest of the 25,000+ policies sold. Just sell them to the Asian group since they are the only ones who have gotten “Paid,” and since they have been “Paid” they know this is real and should snap them all up in a heartbeat. Just shows you this is a scam as the answer is so obvious yet not even mentioned as a possibility of concluding this. What a joke. I really do feel for the people who buy this crap and purchase more policies. At least they cannot say they have not been warned.
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd November 2009 @ 2:33 am
What happened to all the previous final deadlines? Simply ignored as usual. This nonsense will continue as long as new money flows in.
Comment by sleeper — 3rd November 2009 @ 10:19 pm
For those people who were scammed by GPP and who used c-gold to pay for
memberships/additional policies you can report the fraud to c-gold, this might get
GPP’s c-gold account shutdown.
the link is:
http://c-gold.biz/reportfraud.html
GPP’s c-gold account is:
3436 (Global Account)
Comment by voice_of_sanity — 3rd November 2009 @ 11:22 pm
GPP is true? You think, to after 2-4 weeks will start the payment?
Comment by Nt — 4th November 2009 @ 3:07 am
NT, where are you from?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 4th November 2009 @ 10:29 pm
I think I signed up my friend under E-Gold, or do I not remember correctly?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 4th November 2009 @ 10:30 pm
Do not be negative about GPP.
It is a bonafide organisation and respect that. The deals they are handling are hard to focus or pinpoint on dates. If you do not understand that, do your home work and get the facts.
GPP will be succesfull despite the folks that are so negtive or running out of patience, because they cannot handle it, for all understandable reasons.
For all participants: GPP will pay. Beyond believe.
GPP will pay and all will be well. Despite the negatives and naysayers. Too bad they did not join.
Ernesto
Comment by Ernesto — 5th November 2009 @ 12:39 am
Why?
Comment by Nt — 5th November 2009 @ 12:52 am
Ernesto, perhaps you are a decent person, I don’t know.
However, I suggest that you honestly do your own research before making statements like that.
Comment by Ron — 5th November 2009 @ 11:41 am
NT:
I was wondering because of the way you write, I want to see how many countries are involved with GPP! Thats all.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 5th November 2009 @ 8:26 pm
Open your eyes people !!
This GPP really is BIG scam. Think about it a little bit.. Who really want to give somebody about 27 000 000 000 !!!
Those, who have that kind of money already, not really want to make investment for ordinary and stupid persons.
Are you all blind ? or just ..stupido.. ??
Comment by LOL — 7th November 2009 @ 12:21 am
Got an email from GPP to check the recent update, but the website is down again as of 11-7.
Comment by sleeper — 7th November 2009 @ 5:00 pm
The website is back up for now.
Comment by sleeper — 7th November 2009 @ 9:46 pm
Oh Ernesto. (sigh)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 7th November 2009 @ 10:04 pm
What e-mail received?
Comment by Nt — 8th November 2009 @ 1:06 am
Here’s the email I got:
From: support@globalpp.tv(Global Pension Plan)
Date: Sat, Nov 7, 2009, 4:09am
Subject: GPP update
Dear Member,
Please visit your GPP member area for an update as soon as possible!
Thank you!
Sincerely,
Admin
Comment by sleeper — 8th November 2009 @ 6:11 am
SLEEPER and others: Do you believe in the GPP?
Comment by Nt — 8th November 2009 @ 10:44 am
I’m 100% convinced GPP is a scam.
Comment by gppisascam — 8th November 2009 @ 10:45 am
Like most, I wanted to believe in GPP at first. But, after so many final deadlines which are never final, how can anyone still believe? I doubt they will ever pay. Hope I’m wrong, but seems to me if they intended to pay, they would have long ago. Either put up or shut up, pay or go away I say.
Comment by sleeper — 8th November 2009 @ 7:47 pm
Do not listen to losers! Blessings come to us!
Comment by Andrey — 9th November 2009 @ 11:55 am
I found out about GPP thru a friend, she needed my help to fax over her papers and contact her upline guy thru email.
It sounded good for about a day, but the more I thought about it the more it didnt sound right. Then I went online to do some research about GPP and found this site. It pretty much confirmed my suspisions.
So I firmly believe that GPP is a scam. Actions speak louder than words, and they have acted suspisiously for way too long.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 9th November 2009 @ 4:19 pm
Blessings, when? Why can’t GPP stick to a real final closing date? They’ve been playing this game for years with no end in sight, just more calls for patience. Sorry, mine is long gone. Any real insurance company would be as anxious to end this as we are. Why sell more policies if they already have 100,000? Why keep dragging this out? So much just doesn’t make sense and no real answers from GPP.
Comment by sleeper — 9th November 2009 @ 8:13 pm
Lol…. blessings?
Maybe I am a little cynical, but can’t you use something a but more logical than blessings?
Bad things happen to good people. Good things happen to bad people.
God has nothing to do with GPP. IT WON’T PAY no matter what!
Comment by random passer by — 10th November 2009 @ 7:49 pm
Let’s put the latest update in perspective. They now say they have to sell off all the still outstanding policies before this will close. Compare that to what they were saying just a couple of years ago, and then they said if it didn’t reach the 100,000 mark by a certain date (August or September I think), they would still proceed with closing the program and paying. Of course that was all a lie, and they proved it when they didn’t do as they stated. They said only one policy could be bought, and we all said wait they will offer more, and they did. But still no-one believed us this was a scam.
Also, how long do you think it will take to sell these remaining policies? Of course you have to believe that there are remaining policies to be sold. You see, you really don’t know how many policies have been sold. You only have their word, which has been broken more times than a dropped glass breaking into hudreds of pieces on a concrete floor.
Then after they “claim” all the policies have been sold, how long do you think it will take for all those documents to be sent in, verified and announced they are valid? So now you can add at least another six months, but closer to a year, before they have to worry about another update for a payment date.
So, the notion that this will “soon” be finished, and the payouts can begin is all a lie. I will predict that there will be people still posting on this and other forums regarding GPP a year from now, but with the promise the payout is “near.” That is if they don’t start GPP Part II before then. And yes, there will be an attempt to have a GPP Part II.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th November 2009 @ 9:05 pm
And no doubt there will be a call to resubmit documents which are now too old and need to be notarized. Add another 6-12 months for that. This can go on forever.
Comment by sleeper — 12th November 2009 @ 6:13 am
EagleOne, sleeper – You are losers and trying to impose their thoughts! Better still!
Comment by Andrey — 12th November 2009 @ 11:56 am
I invest very little money into the Gpp. is bologni.they are dragging the situation with many many excuses ,one after another one ,leaving everyone hanging there into they can spend all that money that they still from the whole world so they wont be no proved of what they done , we all need to get together and find the true so we can send the responsables persons for this scam ,to jail before they dissapear completly.
Comment by mary — 12th November 2009 @ 12:57 pm
Andrey, if you & others prefer to keep your head in the sand, be my guest. As I said, I hope GPP does pay, but the facts are against it.
Comment by sleeper — 12th November 2009 @ 2:03 pm
sleeper What are the facts?) You do not know!)
Comment by Andrey — 12th November 2009 @ 6:33 pm
Andrey
There are so many holes and contradictions in the GPP story- how can you still believe?
Comment by random passer by — 12th November 2009 @ 7:37 pm
I know this, GPP’s final deadlines are never final, they don’t close or pay when they promise. Fact is, all final deadlines given were lies. Why believe anything they say now?
Comment by sleeper — 12th November 2009 @ 7:41 pm
****sleeper What are the facts?) You do not know!)
Comment by Andrey – November 12, 2009 @ 6:33
***Andrey:
Now, Im not interested in any angry little answer, I am asking out of curiosity and not to be nasty. So, what are “Your” facts that this will pay out? Us nay-sayers have GPP’s own messages backing us up. One stall after another for years.
What keeps you hanging on? What makes you believe so much?
Maybe if you explain your belief system to us then we might have a different outlook on GPP.
Ive asked that question before, but I never see any believers answer it. Please, someone answer my question!
Thank you in advance for your mature answer.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 12th November 2009 @ 8:57 pm
They have no facts, just “belief” & “faith. Save those for God, not GPP.
Comment by sleeper — 12th November 2009 @ 10:10 pm
The non-believers, however, have stacks of evidence- but this blind faith seems to overide it
Comment by random passer by — 14th November 2009 @ 8:43 pm
Right, like I said, we have GPP’s own website confirming that they are full of shit, but some yahoo who believes just goes off and has alot to say until someone questions his Belief.
Where is Andrey? Hello Andrey….Hello…hello…. (echo..)Show me your back up (unless he’s like that guy who said that if he got the debit card that he would never tell us on this site…cuz hell never get one, but thats beside the point.)
Silly people. What ever.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 14th November 2009 @ 11:03 pm
Here is a thought….What happens if they do finalise the “GPP”. lol. And the people that were under 27 Four years ago are now NOT under 27 anymore. Also what if your address has changed. We have already sent in our documents. Just a thought.
Comment by Sam — 19th November 2009 @ 12:51 am
Uups, seems like our dear GPP promoter, Matti Kärsämä got arrested…
http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fohjelmat.yle.fi%2Fpoliisitv%2Frikosuutisia&sl=fi&tl=en
It wasn’t because of him being a GPP-scammer, reason was that he was also a big promoter for the suspected ponzi-scheme “wincapita”.
But who knows where criminal investigation leads to…
Comment by Rokka — 19th November 2009 @ 6:38 am
Sam, that’s right. A lot has changed since our documents were submitted. Many are no longer valid. So, GPP can delay this further by making us resubmit everything and have it all notarized too. Despite what GPP may say, this is far from over. In any case, I don’t intend to resubmit anything. Not worth the trouble or risk imo.
Comment by sleeper — 19th November 2009 @ 6:31 pm
and lets not forget the people who reach the upper age limit (was it 65) and only now qualify for referral bonus!
Comment by random passer by — 20th November 2009 @ 1:08 pm
Positive people shouldn’t be isolated!
Comment by Colin — 20th November 2009 @ 4:23 pm
The way things are going, we will all be over the 65 age limit before GPP decides to pay.
Comment by sleeper — 20th November 2009 @ 8:21 pm
true!
Comment by random passer by — 20th November 2009 @ 8:25 pm
Maybe that’s their plan. Just wait till everyone is too old to qualify, remember or care anymore. Lol!
Comment by sleeper — 20th November 2009 @ 8:27 pm
yeah, I think it will be stall, stall and stall some more- most will move on- more will join… a whole world of countries to work through.
I want to know who ‘STELLA’ is, if she is cruising around in a sun seeker knowing she will never work again.
Comment by random passer by — 21st November 2009 @ 12:19 am
Stella may have been an innocent patsy who woke up & quit or was told her services were no longer needed. Maybe not, who knows?
Comment by sleeper — 21st November 2009 @ 4:48 am
Then again, maybe there never was a Stella at all.
Comment by sleeper — 21st November 2009 @ 7:09 am
I don’t know (obviously!!), I THINK that the person/people posing as Stella were part of the scam- and her illness was another stalling tactic… They are not going to want someone have that much access to their information who was not part of the scam… her illness was a good way to delay everything
Comment by random passer by — 21st November 2009 @ 1:53 pm
11-21-09
I just came across this {Global Pension Plan }GPP scheme.
I believe they have Recruiters taking members cash or cheques.
They must pay such into a bank account somewhere, then they must know the name, the account number and the Sort Code.
Thus has any member got an email address for their recruiter?
If you have please sent it to me at zeltonfisk@hotmail.com
I should be able , as a creditable Financial Investigator with proper contacts, to find out who is behind this, and whether it is a scam or not.
Harald (Norway)
Comment by Harald — 21st November 2009 @ 2:48 pm
How much longer can they continue with the scam ?
Years and years and years.
Comment by gppisascam — 21st November 2009 @ 2:50 pm
GPP admin no longer in service.
I send an email to GPP admin at support@globalpension.net but received warning message “not delivered”
Can someone explain what’s going on?
Comment by Nancy — 21st November 2009 @ 4:52 pm
I’ve been in other scams where the CEO or whatever supposedly gets ill, dies or disappears mysteriously. All part of the game it seems.
Comment by sleeper — 22nd November 2009 @ 6:34 am
Nancy, I think it might be .tv now, not .net.
Anyway, I just tried to login to GPP and was unable to do so.
Comment by sleeper — 22nd November 2009 @ 2:33 pm
Just got in. Here it is: support@globalpp.tv
Comment by sleeper — 22nd November 2009 @ 2:43 pm
Thanks Sleeper. Trying now.
Comment by Nancy — 22nd November 2009 @ 6:44 pm
Thats true Sleeper. Sad sad sad….Stella sounds like Kira in WPP. If the next one is Sarah or a Ella or Amber we all will know who it is wont WE!!!
Comment by Sam — 23rd November 2009 @ 4:17 am
I don’t know about WPP. But, the trend with companies like these is to knock off the visable head, designed I suppose to muddy the waters and keep us guessing.
Comment by sleeper — 23rd November 2009 @ 2:07 pm
Dying in a car or plane crash is a popular way for these folks to go. Of course, specific details, like names, dates, & location are never given.
Comment by sleeper — 23rd November 2009 @ 2:18 pm
Illness & murder are popular too sans details.
Comment by sleeper — 23rd November 2009 @ 2:23 pm
Hi Sleeper,
My mail send – to GPP support site but received no reply?
Comment by Nancy — 24th November 2009 @ 5:59 pm
I don’t know how long they take to reply, but give it a week or so. Also, check your spam for a reply there.
Comment by sleeper — 25th November 2009 @ 5:32 am
GPP do not answer support emails at all.
Comment by gppisascam — 25th November 2009 @ 10:20 pm
Why? They need we members support to furnish he program don’t they?
Comment by Nancy — 26th November 2009 @ 1:07 pm
http://www.taloussanomat.fi/raha/2009/11/26/taas-paljastui-uusi-pyramidihuijaus/200924570/139
“The case pre-trial investigation should be completed early in the year.”
Here’se some news from Finland regarding GPP. It’s all in finnish, but feel free to translate it how ever you like. I translated just the last sentence of the story, which says that at least some scammers are going to face justice.
Matti Kärsämä being one of them,I hope…
Comment by Rokka — 26th November 2009 @ 3:01 pm
Nancy you don’t understand yet do you ! GPP is a scam !!!
There are no insurance companies, banks and policies etc.
GPP just take your money and laugh at you.
They don’t even bother with the pretense that they are real any more.
Comment by gppisascam — 26th November 2009 @ 4:17 pm
But my sponsor has been telling me that the program is real and it wills payout very soon! He also told me that additional policies are still available and encourage buying more.
I know nothing about internet investment (or scam) not until I smell the “danger†when he pushed me to buy more additional policies. He even told me that if I have any doubt about the program I can write to GPP support admin Cause I received no reply till today.
Comment by Nancy — 26th November 2009 @ 6:30 pm
Nancy
referred to the payments will come soon, when,
will be within 1 week, 1 month, 2 months, 3 months, when
, Is about the month of December and there are no payments of GPP,
this is outrageous.
well that will be good to ask your sponsor for GPP
but seems like a scam.
Comment by Greg — 26th November 2009 @ 9:40 pm
Nancy.. sorry but you won’t receive emails. and your sponsor is full of it! Even GPP says that they can’t tell for sure that they will pay out. If you read the forum, you can see how often they’ve been THAT CLOSE to pay out. So how will your Sponsor know?! How will he know that this is real? Everybody else knows that this is scam!! Sorry Girl…
Comment by mizzy — 26th November 2009 @ 10:31 pm
Nancy don’t take any notice of your upline.
Your upline is a scam enabler.
Comment by gppisascam — 27th November 2009 @ 7:48 am
Thanks guys.
Stupid me believing in something base on nothing!
Comment by Nancy — 27th November 2009 @ 3:43 pm
Nancy
what you can do is denounce your sponsor to the police where you live,
to promote GPP, as this program GPP IS SCAM.
long time that are already lying to the members.
Comment by Greg — 27th November 2009 @ 4:57 pm
Nancy
mizzy is right,
GPP for several years say they are close and have to pay never do, never pay,
We always come with a new excuse, of which many members agreed that GPP is a fraud.
Comment by Greg — 27th November 2009 @ 6:25 pm
I wouldn’t blame all sponsors. Many of them were fooled as well. As for GPP support, they may reply, may not.
Comment by sleeper — 27th November 2009 @ 8:07 pm
It is hurts to think how easily we can be cheated … and be made use of.
Comment by Nancy — 29th November 2009 @ 7:20 pm
Nancy, do not feel stupid. Everyone contributing to this blog was probably taken in by this scam at some point including myself. I joined about three years ago and was told back then that I has barely made it since there were so few spots left. They were only taking 100,000 – so they claimed. Payout was to be in time for Christmas. That was changed to Febuary, then April, then before Christmas again, then definitely 2nd week in January, then …… It’s been 3 years. Ignore any hopeful thoughts that may want to arise in your within you concerning this. It is a dry well and always has been.
Comment by Gabriel — 1st December 2009 @ 4:44 pm
The whole GPP-bs just gets funnier here in Finland:
http://translate.google.fi/translate?js=y&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsanomat24.fi%2Findex.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26task%3Dview%26id%3D12999%26Itemid%3D154&sl=fi&tl=en
Seems like some members of GPP here in Finland just can’t seem to get in touch with reality.
These suckers are taken for a ride once again: First it was GPP, and
now it’s this registered association that call themselves “European Central Association for Legal Protection”. Fancy name, I must agree.
They’re saying that they’re promoting GPP members legal rights, but my guess is that they just want to collect some members fee (65€) from GPP members. I guess they were looking to find a bunch of stupid people to fall for their crap, and who would fit better than some idiot that paid 20€ for pension insurance and now is waiting for a 55000€ payout…
Comment by Rokka — 9th December 2009 @ 11:29 am
Let’s just see who gets to laugh last the belivers or the stupid
people…..
Comment by Andy — 9th December 2009 @ 4:52 pm
Hello
within a few days the globalpp.tv domain expires on December 17 and may not
we will see, GPP disappear forever.
Or put more excuses and messages and continue to raise money by selling more and more policies and NO PAYMENTS
If you feel or think they have been scammed by GPP can send their complaints to
FBI, maybe they help the servers not continue to be accomplices of GPP and once this is over.
For your complaints can write to this address FBI
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
read follow the steps.
, Talk with friends, family, friends and members of GPP
Should be linked to a possible closure of GPP, and never appears.
and so far the goal of GPP aha NOT fulfilled, ie no payment.
Comment by Greg — 9th December 2009 @ 11:23 pm
Andy,
What, GPP will only pay believers? Everyone will be paid or not, belief has nothing to do with it.
Comment by sleeper — 10th December 2009 @ 7:58 pm
Sorry Andy, your post does make me laugh.
Can you REALLY see this paying out? After 2008 and 2009 both being declared the year of the payout by Stella?
It won’t happen, keep waiting,
Comment by random passer by — 11th December 2009 @ 8:50 am
I have not put very much money into this so i can live without a payout,but that dosen’t mean that i don’t hope.
Wich means that i still beleve and hope. If this should be a scam so offcause the people of GPP must shake bars for ever but lets not go ahead in time.
excuse my englisch
Comment by Andy — 11th December 2009 @ 10:12 am
Quote from Bill cosby:
“A word to the wise ain’t necessary, it’s the stupid ones who need the advice.”
Suits very well for for GPP believers…
Comment by Rokka — 11th December 2009 @ 2:20 pm
I would not put much emphasis on the domain registration expiring in a few days. Most hosts allow 30-60 days to renew the domain name before it is taken down completely.
If they think they can bleed this a little while longer, they will renew the domain name and website will continue. If not, they won’t. My guess is they will renew due to the low cost compared to the number of people still being gullible to buy more policies that do not exist. What is sad is they prey on people’s fears and desperation.
At least people have been warned this is a scam, and not to buy more policies.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th December 2009 @ 10:34 pm
I believe GPP will die a natural death and Members will soon enough forget about the whole matter.
Comment by Nancy — 13th December 2009 @ 6:23 pm
Page is down
Comment by Andy — 14th December 2009 @ 9:24 am
Hi all
Thank you all members for your support. I’m back from the dead and now live like a queen in my big mansion and my luxurious yacht. We are now gone for good but my neighbors will be starting their own RPP’s so don’t worry and prepare your e-money to send !!
Stella
Comment by Stella — 14th December 2009 @ 10:55 am
Not down is GONE
Comment by Nancy — 14th December 2009 @ 4:01 pm
2271
Not down is GONE
Comment by Nancy – December 14, 2009 @ 4:01 pm
———————————————-
Been there before have’nt we???
Comment by Andy — 14th December 2009 @ 5:48 pm
Maybe gone for good this time, but I doubt it. They usually come back again sooner or later.
Comment by sleeper — 14th December 2009 @ 6:23 pm
Well it very much looks like the GPP website has performed it’s final disappearing trick!
GPP continued to look frail and insecure throughout 2009 with a torturous lingering death. Thank you GPP!
GPP had a mechanism that we had faith in.
GPP has caused a crescendo of pain and suffering and turned dreams into nightmares.
If you are playing a final prank on us…..
THANK YOU AND CHEERS GPP!!!
Comment by robert — 15th December 2009 @ 10:28 pm
What about the personal details they stole from us? Lets hope the F.B.I get the bastards/bitches.
Comment by ROD — 16th December 2009 @ 7:23 pm
Find these fraudsters and let me know what jail they are in. justice will prevail
Comment by ROD — 16th December 2009 @ 7:29 pm
Sorry, but do not see what there is to “Cheer” about or “Thank” GPP for, unless you appreciate having them steal your money.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th December 2009 @ 1:43 am
Make your reports and complaints to the FBI,
they alone can help us find these thieves GPP.
If you live in the U.S. go to the FBI offices and make their complaints.
Comment by Greg — 17th December 2009 @ 6:33 pm
Not much the FBI can do if GPP isn’t located in the USA. Chances are the money is gone whether they go to jail or not. The lesson is to never risk more than you can afford to lose. I’m out $40, nothing to cry about.
Comment by sleeper — 20th December 2009 @ 8:58 am
The Agents, Collectors of policy money, must know where they sent it,
ie which bank account, from that Banks will help trace them if it is what it looks like, a scam
Comment by Harald — 21st December 2009 @ 5:50 am
Are you Harald Netzel ?
Comment by gppisascam — 21st December 2009 @ 8:04 am
WAKE UP
the world do not circle around FBI and the USA
Comment by Andy — 21st December 2009 @ 10:25 pm
Happy Holidays everyone!
Dont let your dashed dreams ruin your holidays. Embrace your family and friends, and enjoy the time you spend with them.
Nothing anyone can do about being scammed internationally, be thankful it was a small amount of money ( I know, its not the dollar amount, its the principal of the whole thing, dont preach to the choir.), and be thankful that you are not one of those horrible people running GPP.
They may have lost their humanity, but we havent.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 22nd December 2009 @ 6:19 pm
If It Walks Like A Duck: Great comment, and so true. Merry Christmas to all of you, and to a Happy New Year.
Comment by EagleOne — 23rd December 2009 @ 9:41 am
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Here is a $10 program. 30 day risk free trial. Money Back Guarantee!!
This is a brand new Worldwide Program that is next to nothing to join and will help you make some money while we are all waiting for other programs to fund.
Hurry join b-4 Friday, December 25, if you would like to be a founding member & will be put in at the beginning of this. First come first served. Many will fall in behind U. Some have joined but have not paid, and will not qualify for the benefits. If U were one of those go back and login and complete the sign up process.
Here is the link: http://www.mymoneyfish.com/u/armi
(read it all in detail, it could be well worth your time)
I hope all of you have a blessed holiday season & this will help to lighten the holiday load.
Warren
Comment by MARCO — 24th December 2009 @ 7:35 am
Let’s see Marco, this is being touted by Warren English who has yet to have a paying program at any time. Sure sounds like a winner to me. When will you people learn, all HYIP’s are scams. The few that are legal do not advertise on forums that contain nothing but scam programs. While it may be paying now, it won’t be for much longer. Yeah, only $10, but once you get there it will soon be $100 or more, and then it goes bust before you get your money out. If this one lasts past January it will be a miracle.
But hey, it is your money. At least you have been warned. Anything that Warren English promotes I would run as far and as fast as I could away from it.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th December 2009 @ 7:45 am
I LIKE YOU EAGLEONE I REALLY DO, YOU SPEAK SOME GOOD SENCE “BUT” YOU MUST LEARN TO READ POSTS THAT CONTAIN SARCASM (mockery,jeering,sneering,satirical,scoffing etc)
merry xmas one and all
Comment by MARCO — 24th December 2009 @ 10:39 am
Marco: I was warning others who would not see or understand you were being sarcastic. Sometimes sarcasm does not translate in a post. I know, I have made many that were not deemed my being sarcastic.
I appreciate your nice compliment, and the same to you. Sorry I did not make myself clearer in my post in reply to yours. See how easy it is to be misinterpreted? I do want to wish all here who celebtate it a very Merry Christmas, and a very prosperous New Year.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th December 2009 @ 6:30 pm
hello happy christmas money is on it´s way
be patient everyting is running behind enemy´s lines
keeep youre eyes on he mailbox instead of complaining on this website
Comment by Ubbe — 24th December 2009 @ 10:30 pm
They’re back! Here’s the email I got:
Fri Dec 25 2009
Dear GPP Members,
First of all, please let me take this opportunity to thank you for the year 2009. We have done some wonderful progress this year! The year 2010 is going to be the year of our great success!
I also want to wish you all Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday Season!
Our website is under a severe attack at the moment, that’s why it has been offline for a moment. We are working on a solution to get it back online as soon as possible. So don’t worry! Have a little break now, so that you have spare energy for marketing once the site is up and running again. We will let you know via email immediately as the backoffice is available. We apology for the inconvenience!
Sincerely,
The whole GPP team
Comment by sleeper — 25th December 2009 @ 6:26 am
Comment by Ubbe – December 24, 2009 @ 10:30 pm
What does that mean Ubbe? Is that a fact or faith?
Comment by Manasa — 25th December 2009 @ 7:02 am
The e-mail from GPP is a bull…. GPP NEVER send out e-mails and put their info only on their own website.
Comment by usne — 25th December 2009 @ 12:34 pm
LOL
Thought they would be back- 2010 the big year … again.
How can they make more money out of us?
Comment by random passer by — 25th December 2009 @ 11:24 pm
Oh REALLY! The “backoffice” huh? funny.
I “apology” (ha-ha) for the not believing a word they say.
Rest up believers, a whole new year of making money for GPP and no one else, SELL, SELL, SELL…
Honestly. Too much.
It just makes me giggle a little, oh well.
Cheers and Happy New Year!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 26th December 2009 @ 3:29 am
God, I just wish it would end. Every time you think they’re dead, they rise again. It’s like a bad horror movie. The Program That Wouldn’t Die….LOL!
Comment by sleeper — 26th December 2009 @ 5:41 am
Hello again there`s no info from backoffice!!!
money it ´s on it`s way since there`s no updates from xyz
be patient check youre mailbox be cool cards are coming!!
happy new year 2010
Comment by Ubbe — 27th December 2009 @ 9:51 pm
This notion that the debit cards are on their way is a joke. Before this last missive they clearly stated they had to sell all the remaining policies before there would be any payout. In regard to this last missive, the KEY word is MARKETING. This means they will put the big push on to sell the reamining policies, expect a fire sale, and then they will get out of Dodge before the authorities come a calling. Payout, only in your dreams.
Comment by EagleOne — 27th December 2009 @ 10:24 pm
Ubbe’s got jokes! Thats a good one…(nudge-nudge, wink-wink…)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 28th December 2009 @ 4:25 pm
The Answers are:
1.) World Peace
2.) Osama bin Ladin will announce his secret location and all his men
3.) Jimmy Hoffa will be found – alive
4.) I will go shopping with President Barack Obama and George Michael for a little pink pony with green and purple polka dots, that I will name Chuck. And then will sit around a camp fire toasting marshmellows and singing Wham UK’s greatest hits.
The Question is:
What are all of the things that will happen before GPP will ever pay out?
So Im a little bored today, sue me. But is it not true though?!
Ok, you may continue with the back and forth….
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 28th December 2009 @ 10:53 pm
GPP payout coming soon
Comment by nasrvision — 30th December 2009 @ 9:53 am
well
Fast forward 12 months…. will 2011 be the year of gpp (again)?
Comment by random passer by — 31st December 2009 @ 10:34 am
Sorry I made a mistake, I’ve just taken my head out of my arse,
there will never be a payment to anyone from GPP.
Comment by arse-vision — 31st December 2009 @ 12:15 pm
“soon”
“final”
“just a few more policies”
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 31st December 2009 @ 4:23 pm
“soonâ€
“finalâ€
“just a few more policiesâ€
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. – December 31, 2009 @ 4:23 pm
But “final” does not mean “final” in GPP speak. It means it is “final” for that phase, but then we have a new “final, final” date, which is then followed by a new “final, final, final” date; which goes on forever.
HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YOU, AND ALL THE BEST!
Comment by EagleOne — 31st December 2009 @ 9:37 pm
LOL- ya, that is a fun word – final!
Happy New Year Everyone! Be safe, have fun.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 31st December 2009 @ 11:17 pm
Amazing! Stella has risen from the dead!
GPP Update: website fine
Monday, January 4, 2010 6:51 PM
From: “Global Pension Plan”
Dear GPP member,
Our website is up and running again!
Please visit your member area to check for the latest updates!
Regards,
Stella
Comment by Nancy — 5th January 2010 @ 3:48 pm
anyone know what the latest update is?
Comment by random passer by — 5th January 2010 @ 3:56 pm
WoW, I got the same email from “Stella”. Huh, first time I have “ever” received “anything” from them/her in nearly four years!!!!!!Of course the web site is still down for me anyway.
Comment by pulsar — 5th January 2010 @ 4:01 pm
And this signed by Admin!
They should have kept this one up their sleeve until April 1st – April Fools Day.
Now, I’m getting very worry about my ID.
Dear Member,
Please visit your GPP member area for an update as soon as possible!
Thank you!
Sincerely,
Admin
Comment by Nancy — 5th January 2010 @ 5:21 pm
What are you talking about? I have n’t got any e-mail and the website still doesn’t show-up.
Comment by Burt — 5th January 2010 @ 10:14 pm
Now, one day later on the 6th of Jan. I got also e-mail from GPP. Even three times the same.
But still no web-site. Let’s be patient, i think in about two weeks they will be back in one or another way. This has happened a several times before. It is no guaranty for success but still there is a change. Don’t panic. Try to stay positive because it is no scam. I have enough info to know that it is no scam. But like every business-plan it can succeed or not. But if insurance companies change there demands then will GPP even a victim as we are. GPP will only get paid as us if the whole plan will be successful.
Comment by Burt — 6th January 2010 @ 5:28 pm
Burt
It’s a scam
no payout last year…. as promiced
No payout the year before…. as promiced
no Payout this year… as I am sure will be pledged.
Get real
Comment by random passer by — 6th January 2010 @ 5:43 pm
Burt: GPP has already been paid, about $10-12 Million dollars worth. It is called the $30 admin fee. There are no policies, there isn’t any trust of Billionaires, there isn’t any insurance company, there isn’t any bank or financial institution to lend the money. As Random has said, this is a scam. All the wishing and hoping won’t change that fact.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th January 2010 @ 5:49 pm
I find them cruel and inhumane to keep leading innocent people on. I believe greed always wins, which is what is happening here. The numbers just don’t add up… there will not be a payout.
Comment by lessthan.0001%chance — 6th January 2010 @ 7:15 pm
They have never promised that they should pay-out last year. They had hoped they could finish the program last year. But it is very easy to scream that GPP is a scam. It is not that I totally trust on a pay-out but I think there is still a change. Everybody who joined this program and read all the the info and facts on there website could have known that there was always a change that they never should pay-out because at first when they should not reach the 100.000 members they should close the program and nobody should get payed-out. A lot of members has never read all the info ass well before as after they joined and then it is easy to complain. As I know a lot of members never looks anymore to the site and program and expects that there up-line will take care for that. That is also one of the problems why the program has delayed besides the few times that the web-site has been hacked, the negative publications and writing and one of the greatest problems was that a very large number of members didn’t want to sent in there ID’s and documents. For that big number they had and we all had to find new members. I think, that only the delayed the program a whole year. So a whole part of the program is delayed by those stupid members self. But what is 12.000.000,- dollar in five years, that is not where GPP was going for. They were going for much and much bigger numbers. I agree that some deadlines has passed and changed but on the other hand they are as depended to there members also to there business partners.
And that are for example the insurance-companys. When they change the rules for example that the last 26500 policies have to be sold before they will close the program, then we have an another delay. That last change made the whole program unreliable and very doubtful if they can pay-out. I’m sure that the insurance company doesn’t care about that but that doesn’t mean that GPP is only responsible for that. GPP will only get paid there part out of the policies as we do when the whole program succeeds. That are really interesting big numbers. It wouldn’t surprise me if the insurance company tries to break the whole program so they don’t have to pay GPP and there members. All the profit will then for them self. The history has shown us that the Insurance C.are often bigger crooks then there customers. I think GPP will show up soon again and then we will see what happens, there is still a change. First will those last 26000 policies have to be sold and that will take time. Stop with screaming it is a scam that’s to easy,you won’t change anything with that.
Comment by Burt — 7th January 2010 @ 10:51 pm
Burt,
Exactly how gullible are you ?
Do you always believe everything you’re told ?
All the updates posted by GPP are bullshit.
Comment by gppisascam — 8th January 2010 @ 12:10 am
I think that if people want to believe and have faith in getting their money then they should, I think some people on here are so low, they sound so desperate to convince people its not real.. I personally still have faith in GPP but I may be wrong (i probably am wrong) but at the end of the day, this forum is good for updates and discussions but some people sound so pathetic! Burt, I admire your passion for it, and when I read posts like yours it makes me smile… I like believing that my money is coming!! I hope it does come, then everyone who is going out of their ways to pursuade people its not happening will be gutted they didnt pay the admin fee!!
Comment by Faye — 8th January 2010 @ 10:33 am
oh and ‘random passer by’ I dont know what dialect of English you use but its Promised!! Not promiced!
Comment by Faye — 8th January 2010 @ 10:35 am
Faye, don’t give a toss if I got a spelling wrong
IT WON’T PAY OUT
if you still believe, you’re not desparate, YOU’RE THICK!
You have faith in a CON
COME ON GET REAL
Comment by random passer by — 8th January 2010 @ 11:38 am
Burt, why would more policies have to be sold?
First of all they said the programme would close no matter how many policies were told at a certain date
Then it was the magic 100,000 and this would mean programme closure
then it was all the extra policies
My god, it is staggering that people ever thought this would pay out 5 years ago… let alone now.
Comment by random passer by — 8th January 2010 @ 11:43 am
just a reminder of the 2008 update
October 22, 2007
We have finally figured out the deadline for the program, and here it comes! This is going to give the members a clear schedule how to work towards the rewards.
– program will be closed on the 31st of December 2007
– documents have to be provided during January 2008
– payout will be between the 15th and 29th of February 2008
Comment by random passer by — 8th January 2010 @ 11:44 am
to gppisascam
If you had n’t believed in the program at first then you shouldn’t have joined the program.
When I had read all the info and thought that I also understood what was written on the website, I thought this looks like a good opportunity a good change to make some profit but also a change to lose my investment. It looked better then a lottery but still it is. But of course I don’t believe everything they write. Do you tell everything honestly to your wife? You will possible have a good reason for that. But everybody could know that they could win and they could lose this game. Let’s hope that we all will win.
Comment by Burt — 8th January 2010 @ 11:52 am
But who are you to tell people what they should believe?! For some reason it drives you insane that people are believing it still exsists? Why is this?
Comment by Faye — 8th January 2010 @ 11:53 am
to 2321: Did you not read your back-office when you could? But of course all changes and what is happening makes it doubtful if they will succeed.
Comment by Burt — 8th January 2010 @ 11:59 am
to random passer: Is there nobody who understand that all those deadlines were maybe made to try to activate all the members to send in there Id’s and documents. All those stupids who ordered a TEP on a birthday party without reading and understanding the whole plan. If then, they could have known that they should had to deliver once there ID and documents. So if a lot of those stupids should have done there homework right away we could have probably had our pay-out already a year ago.
Comment by Burt — 8th January 2010 @ 12:45 pm
Now I know why I got so many emails from GPP. They were sending to all the people in my downline that used my email address. Friends and family.
Comment by pulsar — 8th January 2010 @ 2:23 pm
MY GOD
We would not have had a payout a year ago
we will not have a payout in 10 years
IT is so obviously a scam- you have made some people very rich and they are sat laughing AT YOU
If you still believe, fine- but expect to look even more stupid as the years pass.
Comment by random passer by — 8th January 2010 @ 2:25 pm
Faye
if doesn’t drive me insane, it interests me that people are so gullible. And it is pretty funny
Sure, to take an odd punt a few years ago but to really think you will be made rich for doing nothing despite overwealming evidence to the contrary….. not too bright
Comment by random passer by — 8th January 2010 @ 2:27 pm
Interests you? Oh ok…fascinating. Its like saying it interests you that people believe in God or Father Christmas.. my point is that you’re completely ripping into people who have hope in this programme and I dont think its fair at all. Just because YOU dont believe in the programme doesnt mean that everyone has to go with you
Comment by Faye — 8th January 2010 @ 2:39 pm
And how are people who believe going to look stupid?
Comment by Faye — 8th January 2010 @ 2:39 pm
because by believing this scam without questioning, you are showing a great deal of ignorance.
STILL holding faith after all this time? Not bright.
The people who run this scam are now loaded, they have your money, they are spending your money.
If you think it will payout… no chance.
Comment by random passer by — 8th January 2010 @ 6:15 pm
No- you can go on until your dying day thinking you will get a payout. You will probably encourage your mates to sign up. Maybe buy multiple policies and make stelle et al even richer.
You are willing to risk your ID- a valuable commodity to fraudsters,
You are not a child waiting for Santa, you are an adult thinking the impossible, It is a totally implausible scam,
Face reality: IT IS A SCAM
IT HAS NEVER PAID
IT WILL NEVER PAY
In another 5 years- will you still think this is real? Rubbing your hands at the thought you got something for nothing.
Comment by random passer by — 8th January 2010 @ 6:18 pm
wirecard Bank – GPP Statement
Wirecard Bank AG would like to inform you that we have and had no business connection with Global Pension Plan whatsoever. Products of Global Pension Plan are neither distributed by Wirecard Bank AG nor does Wirecard Bank AG do any handling of these products. Offers of Global Pension Plan are neither caused by Wirecard Bank AG nor was Global Pension Plan allowed to use our name.
In this respect we would like to draw your attention especially to the danger in connection with data entries to unknown webpages. Data entered there are not forwarded to us. You may reach Wirecard Bank AG solely through the contact forms on the webpages http://www.wirecardbank.de and http://www.wirecardbank.com. Please make sure that you check the URL before entering any personal data.
Comment by Bruce — 8th January 2010 @ 8:22 pm
Comment by random passer by – January 8, 2010 @ 2:25 pm 2332
Comment by Faye – January 8, 2010 @ 2:39 pm 2328….2329
Comment by random passer by – January 8, 2010 @ 6:15 pm
2331
In America you have freedom of speech and you can believe whatever you want. If it pays it pays(GPP)……if it doesn’t it doesn’t(GPP). You can believe it won’t and people have a right to believe it will…..so just be. You can’t change that……find something else to talk about. Look in the mirror and talk to yourself. Create a program that will. You are beating a dead horse. Move on…..you are wasting your precious air. BLA BLA BLA…..
Comment by Manasa — 8th January 2010 @ 9:07 pm
Well, just thought I’d check in to see whats new in GPP land.
And I see that it is the usual daily dose of anger. lol
To Burt and Faye:
This is a forum/blog. People can express their “opinions” based on experiences they have had with this GPP thing. It is to help inform others who may be thinking of joining. So that the new people can see both sides of the spectrum, the naysers and the believers. This way they can make their choices a little more informed.
There is no point in arguing as both sides think they are right. So there is no point in getting upset.
If you dont like someones opinion, then dont acknowledge it.
The naysers base their opinion on endless excuses from GPP. And the believers base their opinions on blind faith (since there is no proof of this ever paying anyone anything).
If this is a scam, the point isnt that it is just a few dollars. Its a few dollars from millions of people. Some of these people are in a bad way financially, and really need this money to help them. Others are people who are reasonably ok financially or better, they dont really “need” the money, they just want it,so to them, its no big deal either way.
My friend who is poor (she is in her 50’s, disabled, cant work, and gets very little money from the state-her only source of income) really needs this money. And she has been strung along since 2007. Just when she thinks her ship has come in, it doesnt.
If GPP is a scam, then they are stealing people’s hopes and dreams, for that, they should go to jail.
If they are not a scam, then they should find a way to pay out. I mean, who starts a business (or whatever) with out properly knowing how to pay people out? As that was the problem in January of 2008.
Whatever, be you nayser (like me) or believer, this is where you can voice your opinion.
Anyhoo. theres my two sense!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th January 2010 @ 9:44 pm
Right on Manasa!
There are over 117 (plus the archieves) pages of “no it wont” and “yes it will”. Very amusing reads!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 8th January 2010 @ 9:59 pm
Stop laughing there is a serious new update
http://www.global-final-step.net/members/secret/0000_sjdnxce9r_0000/index.php
08th of Jan, 2010
Update
Dear Members,
This is a general update regarding the current situation of Global Pension Plan program and it’s near future.
First of all, Happy New Year 2010 to you all!
As most of you have noticed, we have had problems with our website recently. It’s been offline for a moment. We did send out a message about the problem, but a big number of the messages have not reached the recipients for a reason or another. However, the problem has been solved by now. We had to transfer the website under a new domain, as the old one was suffering from sabotage. The new web presence is remarkably more stable and should resist the attacks better. If you click http://www.global-final-step.net, you will find exactly the same site and member area as you were used to find from the previous domain.
We still have around 20.000 unclaimed Additional Policies available. After the last update regarding the remaining Additional Policies, the demand jumped for a little moment, but settled down soon again. It’s highly necessary to understand, that the Trust Partner will wait until all these have been snapped up. You might wonder why is it so important to have them all sold. The reason is, that once sold, the Trust Partner is able to negotiate a better deal with the insurance company for the further deals. This is plain economics and wise long-term planning.
We can’t stress enough, that there is a contractual dead-line for the Additional Policies, though. The current contract between the Trust partner and other parties have, runs till the 28th of February 2010. If the entire batch of Additional Policies hasn’t been sold out until that date, it means the parties have to renegotiate the contract. It is by no mean a catastrophe, but only delays us a month or two, depending on the progression of the renewal process. That is, however, something we definitely don’t want.
There were some CG payment problems during the early stage of the very recent website problems. These we have tried to iron out by now. If you still think, that your problem has not been solved, please contact us via the email address you got from the payment processor while complaining about the hick up.
More updates later!
Sincerely,
Admin
Comment by gppisascam — 9th January 2010 @ 11:09 am
Sorry
I always have
I always will think it is funny that people think this will pay.
These people are loaded thanks to this. Sure, go on hoping… how long can this daft belief go on? How much richer can you make these people?
Comment by random passer by — 9th January 2010 @ 11:14 am
However, I do find it sad and very concerning that potentiall vulnerable people have given copies of their ID to total strangers- it is this that I would worry about rather than the £25. This could be very damaging.
Comment by random passer by — 9th January 2010 @ 11:22 am
to IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK: It looks as if only the naysers has the right to show their opinion as you say. The problems of those forums is that only the naysers show there opinion, every day the same shit. It is only a loop of negatives what is based on really nothing. Always the same persons with their negativity. Nobody has asked your friend to invest thousands. Only 50,- euro’s to try to get a better life, what is wrong with that. Nothing is sure in life even not the outcome of GPP. The only thing in life what is sure is that you will die. Let me tell you once, that I do have the information to know that GPP is not a scam. But that doesn’t mean it will be successful. If life was so simple then everybody should be a millionaire. I have said what I had to say so this was my last contribution.
Comment by Burt — 9th January 2010 @ 12:15 pm
Hello
is bad news in the last statement of GPP
was suspected that want to continue selling 20,000 more policies are frequently found
Everyone who lives in the United States of America should go to als FBI offices,
and make their complaints,
is incredible how this alleged scam continues to recruit money, and nobody can stop it
in the final communique of January 8 payments are not talking about this shit GPP.
Go to Interpol or the FBI http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
GPP that they have recovered money every day.
Comment by Billly — 9th January 2010 @ 6:22 pm
Burt
GPP is a scam
all this rubbish about ‘I have the information’… yeah right. What info is that then? Oh yeah, you can’t say.,,, convenient this is your last contribution,
There is so much evidence this is a scam- to really have faith. You do not get money for nothing, it just doesn’t happen. No bank will just give away that sum of money, the company isn’t registered, regulated so IS operating illegally. The referral bonuses will add up to a huge amount- where does that money come from? No financial company will store and keep colour copies of a passport. It just won’t work.. if it will, why do other financial companies, IFAs advertise this?
You have said nothing to convince me that this is not a scam, of course it is an illegal scam
there are some very rich people living off the proceeds of selling your ID and the £25.
I know a friend who has invested £300 in this- which is a fair chunk. Some people are investing large quantities.
I hope people will read this and protect their money and their ID.
Comment by random passer by — 9th January 2010 @ 7:18 pm
And it is not negativity based on nothing
It is negativity based on knowldedge of financial industries, other scams, and FACT.
Comment by random passer by — 9th January 2010 @ 7:19 pm
Thank you Random! I was just thinking that.
Oh well, I was just going to respond to him, but he cant see the forest through the trees. And since he doesnt say anything to back up his positivity, its just not worth it to me.
Sure we all need to take a “leap of faith” every now and then, but not if it makes horrible people rich at your expense.
One thing though, if my friend HAD thousands of dollars, she wouldnt have invested in an online -get rich- scheme. She would have invested in something legitimate.
Just sayin.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 9th January 2010 @ 11:44 pm
Are the perps of GPP un-touchable? I don’t know. Would they stick around just to sell another 255,000 of so called policies? I don’t know that either. After all that they have made I wouldn;t think it would be worth it to stick around like this to endure the heat that is coming on to them. Do they care? I don;t know. Should they care? Hard saying. Personally I don;t care any more as a life or death situation. I find it more amusing now than anything else. Mostly I laugh at myself. Still, I hope it works out for the many but I’m not gonna bet the farm on it. What program was it that sent members to NYC for some sort of outing? I forget. What a bunch of bullshit that turned out to be. Have A GREAT NEW YEAR FOLKS and I do mean ALL that post here.
Comment by pulsar — 10th January 2010 @ 12:13 am
Hello
make their reports and complaints to the FBI or Interpol.
FBI http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
Comment by Billly — 10th January 2010 @ 12:59 am
GPP
The plan was simple, but the job was not
Comment by Bruce — 10th January 2010 @ 12:53 pm
I understand your point Burt but Gpp play, lie… do you can imagine how much money GPP maked in 7 years and it is never finish it is always some policies to buy tree time I think Gpp said they reach them goal and it was the final and they always come back with different stories like Stella was dead of cancer and in 2010 she’s alive, the 42,000 was supposed to be extra now it is absolutly necessary to buy those policies like the 15,000 last years and the other the years before it will never have a end , GPP make to much money and it is to difficult for them to give up, I think it is a wrong way for us to make money, I invest in GPP and I hope so hard it is not a scam but every way Gpp run them business it show me it is not serious and full of lies , it is better to put 10.00 every day in a bank account, my opinion and get a little amount after 20 years that way I can get something that give a lot of money to Gpp and get nothing after 20 years, that’s my opinion because GPP never show to nobody they are serious and have good intention to pay anyone it was be a very nice christmas present to get just only the bonus we got in our account but we received nothing and it is always the news we have to buy and buy and buy more policies till the time we die….. for me no more money for GPP or any RPP’S for me it is the time to ”show me the money”.
Comment by Melissa — 11th January 2010 @ 1:09 pm
Billy:
I suggested IC3 months ago. I dont have access to GPP, and no longer recieve emails from my friends phsycotic up line guy (as he left the country and no longer really cares about his down line).
If you have the information they need, then by all means, send it in.
A while ago someone said they did that, but we havent heard any updates from that person (well, at least I-personally am not aware of any updates anyway, I could have missed it somewhere). So I dont know for sure if they did contact IC3 or not.
Im sure its not an easy task finding ghosts in the machine. As Ben has already pointed out, GPP has no actual address to contact anyone. No president of the company, no CFO, no CEO. No bank address or details, just a website that Im sure is the internet equivalent to a throw away cell phone.
A million uplines that dont lead to anyone in particular, just friends of friends and relatives of relatives and so on. And some chick named Stella who may or may not be alive (or even a woman, or even a person at all for that matter).
Anyway, if you got some info, send it in! And keep us posted PLEASE!!!
Im sorry for being negative nelly again. Really, Im a very positive person, and I welcome positive posts, (as long as they have some actual sense behind it).
Well, anyway, we all know where I stand.
Have a nice day. Back to work for me!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 11th January 2010 @ 5:07 pm
This information was forwarded to me by a friend who lives in Singapore.
For those who invested in GPP.
Beware. Is a Scam
This report was send to me by my girlfriend who works in the Malaysia SC.
from Liz
to Adrian
date Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:17 PM
subject Re: GPP Scam
mailed-by yahoo.com
Official source from Malaysian Securities Commission Agency
BERNAMA, Jan 11
KUALA LUMPUR, Jan 11 (Bernama) — The Malaysia Securities Commission (MSC) has achieved a breakthrough in its Internet enforcement investigation case against the Global Pension Plan (GPP) Internet investment scheme. Finnish NBI, Sweden, Germany, Australia, Switzerland, Singapore and the US Postal has been investigating GPP since last spring.
About Ringgit Malaysia 12 million (2.5 Million Euro) is currently held in six bank accounts in Panama and eight bank accounts in Latvia and Bahamas, the SC in a statement here today.
“As Global Pension Plan (GPP) is a worldwide scam that operates in the borderless Internet realm, the SC is working closely with regulators from seven other countries to combat these illegal activities,†the commission said.
“This cross-jurisdictional collaboration has led to the discovery of valuable information that has facilitated investigations,†it added.
Finland, Austria, Switzerland, Sweden, Germany and US Postal Bureau suspect the investment website of being a fraudulent pyramid scheme.
The company website was closed without notice sometime during the last couple of weeks.
The investigation was launched after authorities received thousands of complained from the investors in the Malaysia.
“Investors are again reminded that neither Global Pension Plan nor GPP are licensed by the SC,†it said.
To date, the SC has blocked one websites related to Global Pension Plan, namely http://www.globalpp.tv , and http://www.global-final-step.net will be blocked next.
Comment by Bruce — 11th January 2010 @ 5:40 pm
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK ..
Have you ever asked or received a reply from the FBI or whether http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx Global Pension Plan is a scam or not?
It is also wise to ask the Interpol, they must have the equipment and technology necessary to investigate GPP.
It is incredible that GPP is in the network.
If you have any response IC3, FBI and Interpol on Global Pension Plan please put it in this forum.
Comment by Billly — 11th January 2010 @ 5:51 pm
*****Okay, I contacted IC3 via email. See below for the question I posted to them.
Hopefully they will respond.
“Contact IC3
Before contacting us, please review our list of frequently asked questions where many common questions are addressed. If, after reviewing the FAQs, you have additional questions, need help using the site, or would like to offer feedback, please complete the following form.
Reason:
General Feedback/Comments
Technical Difficulties
Comments:
⇓ Please limit your comments to 12000 characters or less.
I had a question that I am hoping you can answer for me.
My friend signed up for an online “investment” plan called GPP (Global Pension Plan). A reverse pension plan apparantly.
I was wondering if this was a scam (Im sure it is, but just wanted to be reassured).
And if it is a scam, what, if anything, has the FBI done about it? Or is there another area to contact regarding international online scams?
Please let me know.
Thank you very much!”
Contact IC3
Thank you for taking the time to provide comments/feedback.
Your comment and/or questions have been received and will be reviewed. If you require technical assistance, a member of our Tech Support team will respond to you as soon as possible.
All comments are reviewed by the staff and are appreciated. The IC3 intends to give the victims of cyber crime a convenient and easy-to-use reporting mechanism. Your feedback helps to foster this relationship.
****Will see what happens, hold on to your butts! lol …..
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 11th January 2010 @ 10:10 pm
OK
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.
Hopefully the IC3
reply
Comment by Billly — 11th January 2010 @ 10:48 pm
If It Walks Like A Duck: Glad you filed with the IC3. Also file with the U.S. Postal Inspector’s Office online complaint form. They are the lead agency in this working with the other worldwide agencies. This way you have all your bases covered. I think they are closing in on the perps, and won’t be surprised to see Roger Karlsson, Tom Sornes, Pedro Dispenza/Peter Roor, and possibly Boulat Rafikov being the perps behind this. Time will tell.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th January 2010 @ 6:33 am
Don’t forget the low life scam pimps promoters / cheerleaders who rip off thousand innocent investors LR/CG commission.
Estelle at Team Mega Wealth
Judahlion at JudahLion Network
Terry Glider at Themco
Phil Moore / Robert Moore
John D Noakes at future4me
And the mother of “Liars King†Mr.Wayne Mclean and the list goes on ….
Comment by Bruce — 12th January 2010 @ 8:44 am
Gpp is a scam? You believe in Gpp??
Comment by Nt_ — 12th January 2010 @ 9:46 am
Since I dont have actual access to GPP website, I will copy and paste the information that you provided me on here once they contact me.
I can only imagine that IC3 gets a million emails daily! So it may be a week or two, but I will do as much as I can to find out what is going on.
And of course I will keep you all posted, I hate it when people dont follow thru with things, I find that annoying.
Nt_:
If you go back a few pages and just read all of the posts, you will be able to draw your own conclusions whether or not GPP is a scam. Start at the bottom of each page and read upwards.
This site has both positive and negative gpp feedback, its up to you to decide which side your on! I wouldnt want to be accused of poisoning anyones mind with negative thoughts! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 12th January 2010 @ 4:28 pm
By the way, what is their web address as of late? I wanna see for myself if its up or down. Now Im on a mission…. 🙂 lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 12th January 2010 @ 4:41 pm
I think im changing sides! eeeek
Comment by Faye — 12th January 2010 @ 5:52 pm
I hear rumors on Malaysia authorities started arresting GPP promoters! Is it real?
Anyone??
Comment by Don — 12th January 2010 @ 6:41 pm
Hey Faye,
Your just teasin! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 12th January 2010 @ 9:21 pm
And Eagle One,
Youve been around this GPP block for a long time too, have you ever contacted anyone Interpol-ish (ha) or FBI like?
I still need GPP’s web address……..por favor…eh?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 12th January 2010 @ 9:30 pm
The information we have obtained has been sent to the proper authorities for their handling. We have never really been involved in researching this scam, as we had other priorities to deal with. Still what little information we do come across we forward on. We have sent them the names of all the major promoter’s of GPP for them to contact, if they feel it is necessary to do so.
That has not stopped me, obviously, from warning people not to buy more policies because it is a scam. We just hope that some people listened to ours, and others here warnings. I am just glad there are many people warning people about GPP being a scam on all the forums.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th January 2010 @ 12:24 am
“We” Eagle? You got a mouse in your pocket?? lol
I see. Well, what ever I find out, I will share. Cuz Crissy is a sharer.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 13th January 2010 @ 1:46 am
I really hope these people finally get caught.
Comment by random passer by — 13th January 2010 @ 8:13 am
Breaking News – Joint Statement
Malaysian Anti-Corruption Commission / SC
GPP members have been warned by the authorities action will be taken against those who disseminate information to the e-media or media on a complaint they have lodged.
Comment by CH — 13th January 2010 @ 9:28 am
Im not! lol! I have read the update on the “new website”! and I am stunned that they’re still asking for more money for the new policies! I cant believe it! If it happens…bonus! If not, well it was like £25 quid ive lost. Thats it!
Comment by Faye — 13th January 2010 @ 9:52 am
About the autority in Malaysia it is to much bla bla for nothing can you beleive GPP still on internet selling policies for 7 years the authority fbi or what ever do nothing about those fraud for 7 years Gpp laft as back of everybody or maybe they continu to run because it is legal, I don’t know what to think about GPP but very weird ?????????? I can’t realy not say it is a scam because why GPP run that business for so long how they can be so transparent…..To another side if GPP have good intention they had already paid some members and if it is true GPP have so much trouble with the authority how come they still there they got a off money to give up but if GPP got all this trouble I don’t think they do that to make por people rich, I think they do that for them self, but who knows even the fbi can’t stop them so imagine, what I have to say if all members got them money at the end they will be lucky , I realy don’t know what to think about GPP but for sure GPP admin are more strong then any authority and internet genious!!!!
Comment by Melissa — 13th January 2010 @ 12:59 pm
Maybe be more than £25 quid you have to lose- remember they have your ID. THAT is probably where ENORMOUS amounts of money can be made…
Even if this is not a scam (*cough cough*) the company are operating illegally in the UK as they are not registered, or regulated so can not be offering financial services.
Comment by random passer by — 13th January 2010 @ 4:17 pm
Yes bla..bla
If the site is gone! It makes the investigation difficult. Let the authorities do their job.
Comment by CH — 13th January 2010 @ 4:18 pm
The website is NOT gone.
last update was 8/1.
Comment by Andy — 13th January 2010 @ 4:20 pm
Faye,
What is their new website address?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th January 2010 @ 4:55 pm
Even if this is not a scam (*cough cough*) the company are operating illegally in the UK as they are not registered, or regulated so can not be offering financial services.
Comment by random passer by – January 13, 2010 @ 4:17 pm
THAT’S WHY THEY USE ASSURANCES COMPANIES AND BANKS AND PARTNERS, IT IS LIKE A FINANCER CONSULTANT , I THINK GPP ONLY COLLECT THE MONEY AND GROWN UP THE INITIAL AMOUNT BY MANY WAYS BANKS DO AND GOVERNMENT DO AND ANY TRADING SERVICE OR MONEY SOLUTION DO BUT I DON’T WANT TAKE PART OF GPP BUT IF IT IS NOT LEGAL AFTER 7 YEARS THEY STILL THERE IT MITGH BE A REASON…..
Comment by Melissa — 13th January 2010 @ 5:04 pm
Well, frankly, I dont want to hear about Finnland, Milaysia or any other country. I cant access those, and if I could, I dont speak those languages!
I want to hear what is being done right here where I am, the good ol’ US of A.
I check my email everyday for a response from IC3. I know they are busy, but I am impatient!
I also contacted support@globalpension.net (that was on a previous page) to see about any updates, and have had no reply yet. Its been what, 3 days now I think. Is that still the right email address?
Glad you have a good sense of humor Faye!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 13th January 2010 @ 5:07 pm
Im confused now?!
Comment by Faye — 13th January 2010 @ 5:41 pm
It seems that nobody has to GPP,
These people continue to sell additional policies without any control,
There is a count of how many policies are sold daily,
GPP is a total mess.
Comment by Billly — 13th January 2010 @ 6:19 pm
Hello
Someone wants to please write to GPP have a leader or leaders, those who are faithful members of GPP reporting that several messages on your page have a count of how many policies are being sold and should have comprando.GPP statistics of how many policies are sold, we can not allow this poor innocent people and wasting the little money they have, additional policies and 20,000 missing until 28 February as we know if he actually sold the policies, that are sold more and see the authorities must know that both the FBI, Interpol IC3 as the location of GPP, THE FBI, IC3 and Interpol should know this mail from GPP, support@global-final-step.net.
and the last message of GPP, and little information of little interest GPP and GPP and reliable partner to close the program with payments, I get the impression that
Partners Trust will not pay for the 100,000 members.
Comment by Billly — 13th January 2010 @ 10:13 pm
Melissa -If it were legal- they would have more contact details than a hotmail address… and their company would be registered. If they were legal there would be no problems providing something a little more permanent.
I really hope they do not start selling peoples’ IDs but asking and keeping colour copies of a passport is not legal in this country. My husband is a stockbroker and if they are given any colour copies they have to be destroyed. BUT this is another avenue they vould go down.
So that is what does seem a little dodgy… but selling IDs could make a lot of money- that could be more important than the £25 quid for some.
Comment by random passer by — 13th January 2010 @ 11:22 pm
Hypothetical
If this was a scam……Why would the program pay back money to people
who feel betrayed or misslead?
I know i wouln’t if i were a thief.
Comment by Andy — 14th January 2010 @ 10:26 am
If It Walks: I know for a fact information was given to several federal agencies and these agencies are investigating GPP. What the status of that investigation is, I have no clue. Hope this helped.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th January 2010 @ 11:37 am
Andy
They don’t give refunds for those payments which were normal… that was very clear from their website- just refunded back e bullion which went wrong;
Comment by random passer by — 14th January 2010 @ 1:17 pm
I’m afraid you’r wrong about the refouns.
It happend to friends of mine. 600€ in refounds not bad for a scam company.
Rest my case
Comment by Andy — 14th January 2010 @ 2:45 pm
Andy, Im curious, so I gotta ask:
1.)Did they get a refund Check?
2.)Or did your friends supply GPP with their checking account information and had the money transfered?
3.)Either way, what bank, town & county did the refund come from?
4.)How many years had they been vested in GPP? Years? or Months?
5.)If it is legitamit, why did they get a refund?
6.)Did they re-invest?
Im not trying to be nasty, so dont take it that way. I hope you humor me and reveal the answers to these questions.
Thank you in advance.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 14th January 2010 @ 7:31 pm
Andy
why did it say on the website- no refunds.
I invested £25 quid ‘just in case’ but didn’t bother sending in my ID… I have just sent an e mail for a refund.
I won’t hold my breath!
Comment by random passer by — 14th January 2010 @ 7:52 pm
(Is the website still up, can someone send me a link please!)
Thanks
Comment by random passer by — 14th January 2010 @ 7:52 pm
I went bankrupt in 2005 GPP will not do big things with my identity and all my credit card are full so GPP better have good argu to use my name and identity…. If Gpp use our identity it will be easyer to catch them I don’t think they will play this game it is to much money on the table…
Comment by Melissa — 14th January 2010 @ 8:40 pm
Just had a quick look at the new GPP forum. Check out the very apt warning ZoneAlarm gives when I bring up the site:
Comment by Ben — 14th January 2010 @ 8:52 pm
GPP may not use the ID THEMSELVES – but they CAN sell it- credit cards in your name, bills, fake passports etc etc,
a fake ID is worth a lot of money.
Maybe they won’t use it, but I think a British/American fake ID could be invaluable.
Comment by random passer by — 14th January 2010 @ 9:07 pm
Thanks Ben for the web address!
“Inneresting” reading….I havent been on the site since I got tired of the “busy” work waaaay back in 2008.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 14th January 2010 @ 10:27 pm
Apparantly it is night time where Andy is.
I hope he will answer my many questions that I wrote earlier…
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 14th January 2010 @ 10:34 pm
Hi all
For all those members of GPP living in the United States of America can come to oficnas FBI or Interpol IC3 to make their complaints and reports, can tell you that GPP is still receiving money for ostensibly sell 20,000 policies that are missing and no results, and so far there are no payments, and are already several years selling policies.
I suspect that something is really happening between GPP, and Insurance Company
Partners Trust, and the FBI and Interpol should investigate,
hopefully that has resulted from his research in the coming days.
Comment by Billly — 15th January 2010 @ 1:58 am
Hi all
For all those members of GPP living in the United States of America can come to offices FBI or Interpol IC3 to make their complaints and reports, can tell you that GPP is still receiving money for ostensibly sell 20,000 policies that are missing and no results, and so far there are no payments, and are already several years selling policies.
I suspect that something is really happening between GPP, and Insurance Company
Partners Trust, and the FBI and Interpol should investigate,
hopefully that has resulted from his research in the coming days.
Comment by Billly — 15th January 2010 @ 5:30 pm
I won’t even try it’s enough for me to know what i know.
FBI INTERPOL IC3
hahahaha
Comment by Andy — 15th January 2010 @ 5:59 pm
Billy
I agree with you in that there should be an investigation. However, I also firmly believe that there is no insurance company, nor any insurance policies, and never was. The money that was sent in went directly into the thieves bank accounts and pockets…..just my opinion.
Can you imagine just how wealthy this scammers have become
Comment by Ron — 15th January 2010 @ 10:22 pm
I can already tell you now what GPP will be doing. That will be the true test for you and your words.
After February 28, there are 2 alternatives. First, they will extend their deadline for another couple of months.
Secondly, they will lie and tell you that either all policies have been bought by members, or that “suddenly” they did not have to sell those “remaining” policies.
If the second scenario happens, they WILL announce the sale of a banking solution (ex debitcard) for each member. (No, contrary to “updates from leaders with inside info”, there is currently NO debitcard being sent anywhere. The only people saying so are either the ones making up stories about receving a card and the ones delusionally thinking there is a card already on the way and could arrive anytime now).
They will tell you that every member HAS to purchase the debitcard if they want to get paid from GPP. Those who do not wish to purchase one will be paid LAST after everyone else (this is to “encourage” them to buy the card on “their own FREE WILL”. They will say either each member has to purchase one card, or one card is needed for each “policy” (this will be “bad news” for those with 1,000 policies).
When GPP announce this, NOTE that ALL the STORIES you hear from your leaders, cheerleaders, upline, members or their dogs that they HAD RECEIVED a card, WILL BE PROVEN as LIES, LIES and LIES. CONFRONT whoever it was who tell you a card was on its way !
Now, when this happens, a LOT of VICTIMS, WILL be sending more MONEY to GPP. Their reasoning will be : “I’m in this too deep, I’ll take another $25 risk that GPP will PAY ME”.
You can’t help those idiots. They will PAY and then WAIT AGAIN. GPP will keep giving updates of delays and excuses for YEARS to come.
if you’re wondering, I WAS a victim of RPP just like you and many others. But it wasn’t GPP. It was ICC (I even forgot what it stood for) which then changed name to CPS (www (dot) capitalpreservationsociety (dot) com) which of course, has disappeared without a trace.
They had about 6,000 members who bought about 10,000 “policies”. They even had an active forum where they answered all members’ questions. I would go as far as saying that of all the RPP’s, they were the most convincing one and that was the reason I joined (yes, I was an idiot!).
But when I smelled rats, I exposed them in their own forum. You have no idea how many people BURNED me for even doubting their RPP. The scammers even took the time to address all my queries. Members were convinced it’s real and told me to shut the fcuk up and go to hell.
A short while later, their website suddenly disappeared overnight after they did not renew their domain.
And guess what ? Members like to pretend it NEVER happened. They do not like being reminded that they were complete idiots. WORSE is, some of them even went on promoting other RPP’s to even more people.
After that happened, it became a mission for me to expose these RPP scams whenever I have some spare time to do so. But there is so much I can do and I can’t help people who won’t help themselves. These people keep buying policies and they do what they think is wise to do : “DIVERSIFICATION”. Do you know what they do? They BUY policies from as many different RPP’s there are !!
That’s NOT “diversification”. That’s not “don’t put all your eggs in one basket”.
What they really do is put ALL their eggs in the same one basket : a basket of SCAMS called RPP’s!!
There is NO helping these people. They deserve what they put in.
They wake up every morning and check for updates from a dozen of their RPP admins before they even drink their coffee. They check updates from that dozen of RPP’s before they go to bed. They dream that someday, they will wake up being millionaires. This has been going on for YEARS now. And they will keep doing so for YEARS to come until one day, one by one of their precious, professional RPP’s with half-decent websites, disappear from the internet.
When it happens, they suddenly realize that they have no way to contact them in any way. No phone number, no fax number, no real address. And their “leaders with dirent contact / inside info” are just as clueless.
Then, the DENIAL phase begins. They will keep thinking that the RPP’s were FOR REAL but failed because a member screwed up by going to the authorities. Or because of the recession, etc etc.
And then , just like HYIP and RPP, one day another anonymous, internet-only opportunity comes knocking their door and the WHOLE THING happens all over again.
There is no helping them.
Comment by Cards — 19th January 2010 @ 6:24 am
I love this person under neath me
Comment by Faye — 19th January 2010 @ 10:07 am
Cards,
I totally agreed to your statement.
Comment by CH — 19th January 2010 @ 1:53 pm
No one I know has encountered this problem. Some have said that there is absolutely no sign of any further policies being sold. But with all the bad things said about RPPs and GPP and MPP in paricular, it is not surprising. The GPP website says it is not vital that the extra 20,000 policies be sold so why don’t they just get on with it?
Comment by Angie — 19th January 2010 @ 2:46 pm
Angie, simply because there is NOTHING for them to “get on with it”. You see, GPP’s income comes from the money members send them by e-currencies. If they stop “selling policies” today then it means no more income for them, and that defeats their purpose of renewing a domain for another year. No matter what you hope they do, I can tell you that for the next 12 months, they will keep dragging this along. After that, either they renew their domain for another year of delays and excuses, or they decide to call it a day and simply disappear. The latter is a good probability, considering the more they stay online, the riskier it is for them to be investigated by authorities, because day by day more and more people report them as fraud. Mark my words. Oh, and one last thing : No, you will NEVER receive a working debit card from them. Because it does NOT exist and it was NEVER their intention to send it to you. I’ll make it really clear : there was NEVER any intention from GPP that they’re going to PAY. The whole thing is just a simple concept from the beginning : the only money changing hands is from YOU to THEM. It will NEVER be the other way around. One month from now, one year from now, ten years from now, you’ll realize that I’m right.
Comment by Cards — 19th January 2010 @ 3:12 pm
If you click on my name it will bring you to the MMG forum where I started exposing about GPP scam since 2008. People refuse to believe it’s a scam and they continued to believe GPP is going to make everybody millionaires overnight by the end of 2007. Or early 2008. Then by the end of 2008. Or early 2009. Then by the end of 2009. Or early 2010.. you see the pattern. The simple truth is, they NEVER plan to pay out because everything they say they are doing, they just aren’t. It’s a LONG CON, simple as that.
Comment by Cards — 19th January 2010 @ 3:49 pm
Waaahooo! Cards is tellin it like it is…lol
Im getting a little miffed. I still havent heard anything from IC3. Should I call them? Send another email? Its been a week now, should I be more patient and give another week? I know there busy and all but….
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 19th January 2010 @ 5:50 pm
If It Walks Like A Duck: You are not going to get any updates. All you will receive is an acknowledgement you filed a complaint. IC3 will pass your complaint to the proper agency for handling. The IC3 link is a clearing house for all the government agencies.
Law Enforcement will not tell you if an investigation is ongoing or not, nor will they update you. The only way they will contact you is if they need additional information from you to support your complaint. If you do hear back, it will probably be from the agency IC3 referred your complaint too, not from IC3.
Glad you filed, but don’t be expecting a reply on how, or if, an investigation is being conducted. Hope this helped.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th January 2010 @ 7:13 pm
Awwww.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 20th January 2010 @ 2:18 am
Cards speaks sense- but no matter how many people speak against GPP there will be the core faithful waiting for their dreams to come true.
Comment by random passer by — 20th January 2010 @ 11:59 am
So cards, I am now changing my views on GPP, I am losing all faith, but can I just ask, with your previous “GPP” thing you went into, did it have a website, if so, did it keep disappearing and reappearing? How different was it to the one that is going on now? Surely, they’ve it more, errmmm, how do I put it…believable with the website, forum, login details verification. Do you know what I mean?
Comment by Faye — 21st January 2010 @ 9:52 am
and also, how long do we think there going to keep posting and making contact until we find out officially its a scam. You cant blame people for keeping faith until GPP are no more. This is why Im still sympothising with these people. There hanging on to hope, which was what I was once doing.
Comment by Faye — 21st January 2010 @ 9:57 am
Well according to Wayne Mclean “talkshoe” Global program is not a scam. In fact most programs (WPP/Imperial/HCI) are at the closing/payout mode.
Comment by Sydney — 21st January 2010 @ 10:07 am
I do find it a little ludicrous that people have faith in something so blatantly stupid. Maybe a £25 punt ‘just in case’ but having a total blind faith in this, when there is not a scrap of evidence it will pay out- just seems to be a little strange to me.
I guess uni taught me to question everything- GPP thrives on the lack of ability to question or think for themselves.
Just being told my Judahlion to put ‘faith in god’ seems enough for some. There are so many investments on his page which have been delaying payout and sending phony updates for years and none have seen payout. Yet some have a completely blind faith, money doesn’t come from nothing and no amount of faith in god or otherwise will make it come. How long will this faith/desparation go on for?
Some people have invested far more than £25 pounds, I know someone who invested £300 however he has now gone over the upper age limit for the payout. Some people have paid out for family and friends policies thinking that it will be ‘OK’ as the referral bonus will cover it.
I dodn’t know, they seem to have fooled a lot of people- they’re laughing all the way to the bank.
It fascinates me that there are die hard believers out there.
I can imagine the GPP crew sitting in their luxury cars, with a luxury lifestyle funded by the GPP faithful.
Comment by random passer by — 21st January 2010 @ 10:32 am
I agree. I think, I am one of these people who was like yeah 25 quid, thats not a lot! N its a bonus if it pays out. I also believe that people should just forget about it now instead of feeding GPP with more ammo to con more people. I cant wait for the next update which I think will say a little bit of this… ” We still have a remaining 10,000 policies left which we must sell, deadline for this being 25th October 2015!!!”
Comment by Faye — 21st January 2010 @ 3:46 pm
@Faye,
Yes ICC/CPS had a website just like GPP’s. But they had a forum where the admin named “Ronald” answers some of members’ questions convincingly. Then they made a member their forum moderator and this idiot would defend and make excuses for them whenever there’s something odd. And like GPP, they forgot to pay for their domain and changed it once. But then one day, out of the blue, their website disappeared. I’m sure the 6,000 members NEVER saw it coming. They were, well, “hanging on to hope”. If you want to read more, just go here: http://www.moneymakergroup.com/lofiversion/index.php/t108942.html
As for GPP, the key is their domain annual expiration date which is December. So, their website will still be up until Dec 2010 then they will forget to renew it. After that, they will make a decision either make up another domain name or just call it a day. I CAN TELL YOU ONE THING 100% SURE : THERE WILL BE NO PAYOUT UNTIL THEY DECIDE TO DISAPPEAR.
Comment by Cards — 21st January 2010 @ 5:50 pm
Go here http://www.moneymakergroup.com/lofiversion/index.php/t108942.html and click page no 7.
Comment by Cards — 21st January 2010 @ 6:27 pm
Interesting, I wonder if it the same people behind these scams?
They’re so similar, and Judahlion seems to promote them (is he also involved?)
I would LOVE these people to get caught – It would be fascinating to know how they did it, organised it and how many people are involved in this
Comment by random passer by — 21st January 2010 @ 7:05 pm
Sydney, never believe anything that Wayne McLean says he lies about everything.
Comment by gppisascam — 21st January 2010 @ 8:55 pm
So would you say its 100% a scam or are your like 99%
Comment by Faye — 22nd January 2010 @ 2:00 pm
Personally Faye, I would say 100% scam,
it would be lovely to think you could turn £25 into £55,000- but don’t think it’s possible.
Comment by random passer by — 22nd January 2010 @ 2:27 pm
It would be nice to acutally hear that one of the programes has paid out – have u invested random passer by
Comment by Faye — 22nd January 2010 @ 2:58 pm
Not really – I put £25 in GPP ‘just in case’ but didn’t want to send ID in as if it turned really dodgy my husband could lose his job (stockbroker) … he is very cautious!
And after a little background research was fairly convinced it was a scam. I would love it to pay out as it would do a couple of skint friends huge favours.
My friends dad who heard about GPP first has lost a huge amount of money in scams, ‘investments’ and the like… he was a wealthy man- three kids at private school, he lost his half a million pound house through investments and is still in huge amounts of debt.
I know GPP is only small amounts of money and will not make you bankrupt- not even a night in a pub- but it is scary how a supposedly intelligent person can be conned out of so much money so many times.
I would love them to get caught!
Comment by random passer by — 22nd January 2010 @ 4:08 pm
Oh no! Poor guy! The scary thing is that it is so easy to do!!! Just think how many people have invested in this?? And how much money GPP have made. Ofcourse, it would be lovely to recieve such a pay out, but as they say ‘if something is too good to be true then it probably is’ also if there has been so many programmes so similar to GPP that have been scams, then whats to say that this one isn’t exactly the same.
GPP have put so much into this “scam” i.e website & forums and they just keep going and going with the updates. If the updates didn’t mention that there seems to be endless amounts of policies left then I probably would have more faith, but thats what lost my faith to begin with – the fact that their website went down and as soon is was back up they were mentioning more and more policies to buy – MORE MONEY THAT THEY ARE ASKING FOR!!”
I used to convince myself that because the website used to keep coming back that they were genuine and why would they spend more money to keep the website up, but clearly to make more money!
I just wish that it would be over so people can stop thinking about it.
Comment by Faye — 22nd January 2010 @ 4:31 pm
Cant believe nobody has posted all weekend! The world has gone to sleep is 2012 already here?
Comment by Faye — 25th January 2010 @ 5:13 pm
or has everyone had their payout……..NAH! 2012 is more believable!
Comment by Faye — 25th January 2010 @ 5:14 pm
Why not post on the Moneymakergroup forum and World Law Direct.
Comment by Cards — 26th January 2010 @ 5:13 am
GPP?
It appears that we’re on our own now.
Comment by Peters — 26th January 2010 @ 9:52 am
How do you mean Peters?
Comment by Faye — 26th January 2010 @ 2:38 pm
Hello
members and nonmembers of GPP
Any response IC3.GOB the FBI or Interpol Global Pension Plan
How are the investigations?,
GPP these people raises thousands of dollars daily on its website and no authority closes,
What is going on?
Comment by Billly — 28th January 2010 @ 2:10 am
SCAM WARNING!!!
ANOTHER “RPP” SCAM FROM CHEERLEADER “TERRY GILDER” AKA “THEMCO”. THIS WILL BE EXACTLY LIKE “MEGA PENSION PLAN” BY WARREN ENGLISH. AFTER EVERYONE PAYS, THEY WILL ANNOUNCE THAT THE PROGRAM “FAILS” WITH ONE OF 1001 POSSIBLE REASONS :
themco-co-op(dot)com
Comment by Cards — 28th January 2010 @ 3:46 am
Billy: Anyone who files a complaint with the FBI, IC3, SEC, FTC, Postal Inspector, or any other law enforcement agency will only receive a confirmation of receiving their complaint. They will not follow-up with you in regard to any investigation. They will not tell you if one is ongoing or not. If they do take action, you will read about it in a press release.
Based on information we have received, we believe there are several law enforcement agencies from several countries looking into GPP other than Finland. Not even the Finn’s are giving any updates on their investigation since the original announcement they were looking into GPP. Not sure if this helped or not.
Comment by EagleOne — 28th January 2010 @ 8:23 am
Cards – I love your post on the other website!!!
Comment by Faye — 28th January 2010 @ 10:09 am
@Faye
Thank you, but which one? If you like it, you can post it here so everyone else can see.
Friends, beware new scam.
Comment by Cards — 28th January 2010 @ 11:26 am
Those policies are being sold as I know people who’s website has increased by a lot as far as ‘earnings’ are concerned. They are getting new members too signing up. I have had promos from at least 7 different sources in the last few days. Has there been a company that has actually bought up the lot? That is one of the rumours going around. One out in Australia says the sum is far too big to be paid out in ref fees alone. They say it must be a scam. Also there is a big promo about a themco offer which is being done by the same big promotor of GPP. Talk about getting confused.
Angie
Comment by Angie — 28th January 2010 @ 12:27 pm
Ill repost it Now!
Comment by Faye — 28th January 2010 @ 12:49 pm
Tell me about this new scam…
Comment by Faye — 28th January 2010 @ 12:50 pm
umbertino49Jan 9 2010, 08:52 AM
QUOTE (cards @ Jan 9 2010, 04:31 PM)
PROOF THAT AGAIN, I’M RIGHT ALL ALONG :
So, CHEERLEADERS, which GPP will you tell your victims to send money to ?
http://72.20.16.187/login.php
http://66.199.150.123/login.php
YOU SHOULD DECIDE NOW BECAUSE BOTH ARE ASKING FOR MORE MONEY FROM YOUR VICTIMS !!!
Cards, for what I recall it’s been a long time since cheerleaders, not even one of them, peeked their noses in here……….
ErbiJan 10 2010, 09:03 PM
http://www.global-final-step.net is real, because it used the same LR account, this is the most convincing evidence.
ErbiJan 10 2010, 09:09 PM
There were some CG payment problems during the early stage of the very recent website problems. These we have tried to iron out by now. If you still think, that your problem has not been solved, please contact us via the email address you got from the payment processor while complaining about the hick up.
My downline needs to contact GPP support for his missing contracts, I really cant find out the correct email address, anyone can tell me? Thank you in advance.
MariaElisaJan 10 2010, 10:11 PM
What mean that ?
I want to join but do not know if they are paying or not
please advise
There were some CG payment problems during the early stage of the very recent website problems. These we have tried to iron out by now. If you still think, that your problem has not been solved, please contact us via the email address you got from the payment processor while complaining about the hick up.
My downline needs to contact GPP support for his missing contracts, I really cant find out the correct email address, anyone can tell me? Thank you in advance.
wwind3Jan 11 2010, 03:55 AM
This crap has gone from “the purchase of additional policies is OPTIONAL and WILL NOT affect the payout timeline of the program” to”if you dont buy up the additional 20000 policies you are in danger of bringing the program down”
Liars, cheats, scammers. Preying on the fear of loss and overall stupidity of the millions of unsophisticated people on the net. Shameful.
cardsJan 11 2010, 07:35 AM
QUOTE (Sailor;137317)
And if the Trust-partner or admin of GPP read this post I will give them a tip on how to end all of this in matter of hours, maybe minutes.
– If GPP could pay out the ground policy, the very one, the very first every one of your 100.000 verified members have bought.
One policy worth 55.000 euro, to each and every one of the verified members.
And then still have the opportunity open for the members to buy the last remaining policies.
If they would do this – We would close tomorrow!
Listen, Sailor. Assuming “GPP”, “Stella”, “Trust Partner”, is REAL, and “RPP” even works, then each and every one of them would have as many policies as they can afford. Right? Even you, who only reads some paragraphs on a webpage, are convinced enough to buy more than 150 policies. If I were “Stella”, one of the “Trust Partner”, or one of the “Admin”, and I know this WORKS for real, I would have bought 1,000 policies for myself and each of my family member, including THE DOG. Hell if I were the “Trust Partner”, I would have bought ALL the policies for myself. Why would I even offer them to 100,000 strangers?? Makes sense, right?
Wait, forget all that.
Let’s go back to your suggestion. To sell 20,000 “policies”, all GPP really had to do is : SIMPLY PAY OUT 10, no, just FIVE policies to one “Admin”. He would have enough money to buy all the rest of the policies and finish the program in 5 minutes! Doesn’t it make sense ???
So wait, why do they NOT do that ? Or why do they offer 300,000 policies to 100,000 people for FIVE long years ??
Deep down inside, you know the answer. It makes perfect SENSE.
There is NO PAYOUT COMING. All they want is $20 or $30 or $40 from 300,000 PEOPLE like.
By now they already have had a couple million of dollars, and they want some extra $$$ before announcing that the program HAS FAILED “because one member can’t keep his mouth shut” or “the bank freezes our accounts”, or “the government shuts us down” or whatever.
Or worse : on Feb 28 they would make a FAKE update that all policies have been sold so the program is completed. But WAIT. Now it’s time for you to PAY for a “banking solution”, or “trust accounts”, or “anonymous debitcard” like such a thing really exist. And guess what ? There can be NO payout until EVERYONE purchases at least one “payout solution”.
And the waiting game begins again for another 4-5 years. Before they finally disappear from the face of the planet.. wait, it’s too extreme. Before their “sophisticated website” is taken off the net (AGAIN).
There is ALL there is to it!
PERIOD!
Comment by Faye — 28th January 2010 @ 12:58 pm
Was reading THEMCO- first time in a long time. It appears even Themco no longer believe in GPP any more…
Comment by phys — 28th January 2010 @ 3:35 pm
Terry’s program is QCooper. TeamThemCo is just fronting for it. Saw a lot of familiar pimps of GPP, HCI, ImperiaInvest pumping people up to join this farce. Seems they found 10,000 victims that want to lose their $90 per unit, or $360 if they buy 4. Of course now it is limited to 4 units, but wonder how long before they scrap that and allow more than 4 to be purchased. Remember GPP was only supposed to allow 1, and look what they later did. Of course it is going to be interesting to hear all the excuses why this can’t pay out on time. As the old saying goes, “A Fool and His Money are Soon Parted.”
Comment by EagleOne — 29th January 2010 @ 6:19 am
Some additional information. They are calling this LiberatorOne, and they claim it is not a RPP, but it is being called a BST, Buy/Sell Transaction, and it is part of QCoopers. All you need to know is John Noakes is pumping this, and of course he is bragging on how smart of an investor Terry is, and yet Terry has yet to see a winner. Hmmm, come to think of it, neither has John Noakes. So you have a great track record here. LOL! By the way, you can’t join as 10,000 has already been reached.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th January 2010 @ 6:49 am
I know I will look stupid or what ever but I still beleive all reverse pension plan will pay this year, I had a car accident last years and for get retablish , I need to invest in an expensive treatement, when I discover the reverse pension plan, I told my self this is my chance to get involve for pay my treatment to restablish myself even if the reverse pension plan look bad or always lies to not pay anyone, I still hope because it is my only hope never in my life only with any work I can do, I will be able to pay the expensive treatment I need so I still hope even if it is look impossible it is a small chance those program are true…
Comment by Melissa — 30th January 2010 @ 8:38 pm
For you Melissa, for my friend, and for all the others who have a dream of bettering themselves/their situation, I hope it pays out.
I will just stop there.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 31st January 2010 @ 12:43 am
Hello
I’ve heard rumors that IC3 or FBI is trying to close GPP,
get this message on the website of Global Pension Plan
Website Temporary Unavailable
The Website you are trying to access is having Temporary difficulties. Please check back in few hours.
Message Automatically Generated by BlockDos.Net
Comment by Billly — 1st February 2010 @ 6:25 pm
Oh dear
Comment by Faye — 2nd February 2010 @ 10:01 am
I thought IC3/FBI does not update people on what the status of their investigations are. Was there an article reporting on the subject somewhere? IF so, where?
And regarding the website, it always goes down, then it goes back up again and so forth. I dont think they have closed up shop yet. They will probably get a new website in some other name to continue selling “policies”.
Maybe thats the thing, when police/fbi or whomever are close to them, they shut down the website, and then re-open it under different information. So that the police have to start investigating all over again?
I dont know. But just give it a couple of days, they will re-emerge.
Isnt this their website address? I had this in my “favorites” on my computer, and it pulled up. But I cant access anything other than the first Update page, as I am not a member.
http://www.global-finalstep.net/members/secret/0000_sjdnxce9r_0000/index.php
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 2nd February 2010 @ 5:43 pm
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. – February 2, 2010 @ 5:43 pm
You have the wrong link……
http://www.global-final-step.net/members/secret/0000_sjdnxce9r_0000/index.php
Comment by Manasa — 3rd February 2010 @ 1:22 am
Billy said the website didnt pull up? This address pulls up, is he talking about a different one?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 3rd February 2010 @ 8:46 pm
Hello
Apparently they are just rumors that the FBI and IC3 are trying to close GPP,
and more seems to be flaws in web
but I like to have some official news IC3
Does anyone have any official news about GPP IC3?
How will research IC3?
Comment by Billly — 4th February 2010 @ 6:14 pm
what is IC3
Comment by Faye — 4th February 2010 @ 6:20 pm
Faye,
IC3 is an internet scam division of the FBI. That is where you can file a complaint and they will research it, after you give them a bunch of info for what you are complaining about.
I had previously emailed them regarding GPP, and I thought they were going to respond to me with some sort of update, but they havent, and EagleOne told me that they do not give up dates to you/or the complainer personally. We would have to read about it in an article or something if someone writes about it that is.
Since I know that in Finnland there were arrests previously(according to other posters here in Bizop), I would love to know what is happening here in the USA. But I dont know how to go about researching things like that?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 4th February 2010 @ 9:56 pm
Wow, I was just researching GPP on the internet, trying anything from Global Pension Plan arrests in the USA, to GPP online scam. Anything I can think of. And I happened upon another site that talked about GPP, and it spoke so wonderfully of them waaaaaaaaay back in 2006. But just like this site it had its ya’s and nay’s.
Anyway, as I was reading a poster reminded me of the Childrens fund that GPP claimed to be a part of and then abandoned.
I would like to hear a chearleader defend that! C’mon, bring it!!!!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 4th February 2010 @ 11:22 pm
oohhhhh im never getting my money am i! haha
Comment by Faye — 5th February 2010 @ 3:23 pm
No ma’am! But I love you as a fellow human being, does that help? lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 5th February 2010 @ 4:59 pm
I was just on a site called “Global Pension plan- they never give up”, and this guy (StringfellowUSA) tried really hard to convince people that he not only got his card, but got his money on it too.
He was very cocky and arogant,arguing with others, boasting a vacation to Hawaii.
The problem with his post is that it had the date of his post just like on this site. His post from January 2, 2010 boasted that he got his card in the mail “yesterday”. Several problems with that, 1.) Jan 1st is New Years Day, I doubt any government run anything is open anywhere around the world, and 2.) According to the GPP website, their last update was on January 8th informing us that they still need to sell 20,000 more policies!
I just thought it was funny, thought Id share that. Anyone else get paid yet? Or is Stringfellow the only one! (I called him out under the name “Funny”, just cuz I could, and I was bored.) lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 7th February 2010 @ 3:49 am
Lol,
people were claiming ages ago that the debit cards were being sent out and to ensure everyone checks their post just in case.
Comment by random passer by — 7th February 2010 @ 10:37 am
has anyone heard of, or know anything about, the them-co co-operative? A new ‘investment opportunity’ from Terry gilder… How on earth is this supposed to work?
Comment by random passer by — 7th February 2010 @ 11:43 am
The website isn’t even up and running for the last 2 months!
Comment by Profit — 7th February 2010 @ 6:19 pm
Terry has decided he wants to go from being the scammee to the scammer, so he is trying to do his own GPP format. He is using the QCoopers formula, but they wouldn’t work with him. So he bought his own script to use from the way it appears. Terry really feels that if you do this in 10,000 members, they will pay. Anyone who believes they will only have to spend $90 to get $90,000 is just as delusional as those who joined GPP. Goes to show you how desperate people are now they will fall for anything.
Terry has yet to promote any program that has not been a scam, so why should he stop now? Only this time he is the one running it. Went from a small-time crook to a big-time crook. Wouldn’t it be funny if his admin turned out to be Stella, back from the dead or almost dying?
Comment by EagleOne — 8th February 2010 @ 12:37 am
It helps greatly!! HAHA!!! I wish I had an imagination like his! xx
Comment by Faye — 8th February 2010 @ 9:54 am
Thanks Eagle – I knew it was a scam but had no idea how it ‘worked’ – hmmm. Maybe Terry feels he has lost too much money so is copying GPP method of making money- taking it off the public.
Comment by random passer by — 8th February 2010 @ 6:22 pm
Its so weird, that site that I went on the other day “Global Pension Plan-They never give up”, doesnt seem to be there anymore.
Thats where that guy said he got his card and already booked a vaca to Hawaii. I wanted to see what he said in response to me calling him out about that lie. But its gone?!
Ya catch one person in a lie and they shut down the whole website? I must be missing it somewhere….?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 15th February 2010 @ 6:00 pm
Terry Gilder – THEMCO – yes, an acquaintance of mine (who was one of the ones conned by GPP and also signed loads of other people up) has also been offered this and is now pushing it on all the friends and family. Apparently several people think of Gilder as ‘very respectable’ and this ‘too good a chance to miss’ (just like GPP).
Personally, I’d like to see all these greedy scamsters; their promoters and the idiots who hang on to their every word, taught a real lesson. As I keep saying – it’s not just the money – don’t you people get enough warnings about ID theft? Bet the ones who do this are the first to shread their letters but don’t think twice about giving their details over willingly to these organisers. There’s definitely something akin in the attitude of people suckered into this and people suckered into some of the lesser known religions.
Apparently I’m a fool for not believing in either GPP or THEMCO – Hmmm, always did like that Beatles song!
Comment by Sceptic — 16th February 2010 @ 2:59 pm
Wayne Mclean Talkshoe:
Quote:
Please be encourage things are still looking good. I’m hearing good very positive news coming from all different part of the world.
And remember ladies and gentlemen’s where you are and the individual that you give hear to that and you listen to the information that I’m sharing with you may not be a positive.
I often stated this, and I want you to take it to heart. Individual that continual to feed you negative information are peoples that you need to dismiss from your life. “Dismiss from your life, ladies and gentlemen’sâ€.
It is quite appearance to me, based on my own experience that those individual do not lean me much good by fueling negative things out towards me.
So you may want to reconsider those whom you associate with who you relate to and what information they’re bringing to you, and your intend to keep them as in the relation that you have while they continue to bring that kind of information to you.
If it is not a positive nature ladies and gentlemen’s or encouragement to you, you need to make a decision how much longer you would continue to entertain that individual and that kind of information that they are bring to you.
Comment by Peters — 17th February 2010 @ 6:19 pm
Don’t take any notice of Wayne “Liar” McLean, the man is a complete
tool. He lies about everything.
Comment by gppisascam — 17th February 2010 @ 7:54 pm
About Terry Gilder / Themco’s new program, this is what I posted on MMG :
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/lofiversion/index.php/t330554.html
This is NO different than Warren English and his “Mega Pension Plan” (MPP) which was nothing more than him charging $$$ from his members and using it to buy “policies” from GPP.
When GPP never paid out as “promised”, he made up the story why his MPP failed whereas it never existed in the first place. That is why he kept talking about “refunds, refunds” while in reality he is just waiting for Stella to pay him.
This is NO DIFFERENT.
Themco will be charging 10,000 people for $90 each, which he will be using to buy the 20,000+ remaining policies from GPP. He figures that for every GPP policy he will be paid 110,000 to 220,000 Euro so he promises his members a $90,000 payout (remember, he plans to buy 20,000 GPP policies but only pay 10,000 members of his).
Summer 2010 ? LOL try Xmas 2010 or summer 2011, or Xmas 2011 summer 2013 etc etc.
When Themco fails to pay his members and keeps failing to (just like GPP), and when the “updates” of excuses, delays and broken promises start (again, just like GPP), you all will know that I’m right.
You’ll SEE.
Comment by Cards — 18th February 2010 @ 6:03 am
Oh my goodness!!! Everytime I come to this site, I am shocked to learn that there are still people who have some hope in GPP. I joined GPP almost 5 years ago, even before this blog was started. I was foolish enough to sign various friends and family without having done my duediligence. I was certainly disappointed the day I finally wokeup and realized that it was nothing more than a scam. But, I did finally wakeup. Admitting it is the first step in recovering. Say it with me. “SSSCCCAAAAMMMM”. Don’t you feel better already?
Comment by Gabriel — 23rd February 2010 @ 6:08 pm
“Gabriel” what makes you so sure ??! Gpp closes next sunday (28/2).
I would like to hear you when it’s pay out…..
Comment by Andy — 23rd February 2010 @ 9:41 pm
No one has been paid by GPP or will ever be paid, GPP is a scam.
Comment by gppisascam — 24th February 2010 @ 7:33 am
bla bla bla bla
Comment by Andy — 24th February 2010 @ 8:40 am
Come on guys, lets not battle haha! ! Some people stil have hope, they’re not hurting anyone! One day, who knows! But the odds are against us so to speak! We’ll see…
Comment by Faye — 24th February 2010 @ 9:48 am
Feb 28 is not the day GPP stops asking for your money and start sending you money.
It is the date when they will start asking you for MORE MONEY. To buy their debit cards, trusts/bank accounts or whatever they come up with.
Oh, and their update will be a couple of days/weeks late.
Mark my words.
Comment by Cards — 24th February 2010 @ 6:35 pm
Play nice everyone!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 24th February 2010 @ 10:32 pm
Wonder how long after 28th it will be before we get another update?
What stalling technique this time?
Comment by random passer by — 25th February 2010 @ 1:56 pm
Shall we start taking bets?
Comment by Faye — 25th February 2010 @ 5:24 pm
Ok, Ive got a crisp $5.00 bill on “computer problems”! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 25th February 2010 @ 8:31 pm
GPP is always about 2/3 weeks late with each new instalment of bullshit.
Comment by gppisascam — 26th February 2010 @ 7:52 am
What about a crisp £20 note on ‘we still haven’t sold all our policies, we’ll give you 50 more days!’ haha
Comment by Faye — 26th February 2010 @ 4:17 pm
If one of your family members has been diagnosed with GPP positive, being left alone will not improve his situation.
Instead, they need comfort and support of their love one to boost their own self esteem being treated as normal would help them live a quality and happier life.
GPP is not transmitted by normal physical contact. It is spread by talking with someone who is GPP positive. You won’t get pay by using the same computer or handling the same lies or being in the same room with someone who has GPP.
End ignorance and we’ll be prejudice.
Comment by Ellie — 26th February 2010 @ 4:29 pm
Faye: My money is with you. Only expect them to say they will give it to the end of June to sell all the remaining policies. Then they have to go through getting all the documents for these policies that were sold. So add another 3-6 months for them to receive the docs and now we are looking at 2011 before they say they will pay. Then in January 2011 they will come up with another lame excuse, that is if they are still around.
But to demonstrate this is a scam, try this on for size. Think of all the people who have bought multiple policies thinking this is going to pay out. To illustrate this, I am going to use a person who has bought 50 policies, and whose annual income is $50,000. This person how has bought policies worth a face value of $10 Million Dollars. Now do you believe you could purchase $10 Million Dollars worth of Pension insurance on a salary of $50,000?
Hopefully now you get it this is a scam.
Comment by EagleOne — 26th February 2010 @ 8:29 pm
Since some here probably also are in the other RPP scams including HCI25:
“My sponsor advised me to let other HCI members know of this disturbing news, please advise everyone on every forum and blog, “do not send any more money to HCI” as they have shown from real facts that they are now a scam by using a fake seminar photo.
If you have seen the latest HCI newsletter and the related photos to it then you will be aware of the following description and photo.
“Below: Our beloved CFO Wolfgang (Yes we know, strange name for a black guy ) next to his lovely wife Tracy who is talking to Mona from Island.”
Link to HCI newsletter photo: https://i48.tinypic.com/347i6p4.jpg
That photo has nothing to do with HCI’s seminar but another seminar in 2008 here: http://www.groundedtheory.com/photos/ny-seminar-2008.aspx Grounded Theory Institute – The Grounded Theory Methodology of Barney G. Glaser, Ph.D – Click on thumbnail to see larger version. (see 3 down, 2 along, the people named when viewing that photo are Judith, Astrid and Michael, (not Wolfgang, Tracy and Mona).
Many people now know about this fake photo and confronted HCI and they posted on their website that Wolfgang was not at the seminar and sent in a separate photo, but what they don’t realize is that it is still not a photo of their CFO Wolfgang, it is of a person called Michael and details about them are here:
http://www.education.wisc.edu/ci/ect/?folder=people/faculty&pageName=thomas§ion=people%5DEducational Communications and Technology as you can see that person is not Wolfgang and is nothing to do with HCI.
HCI expected to get away with this and thought their members were fools but it is now obvious that they are taking everyone for a ride so please warn others not to waste any further money in HCI and not to promote it either as people will now see you as a scam promoter who is just trying to get referral fees.
Please send this information to all Forums and Blogs that post about HCI, we do not want these scammers to take another cent from anyone.”
Comment by Fed-up — 28th February 2010 @ 2:28 am
Isnt today the final day,if so it will be weeks b4 there is another update.
Comment by Faye — 28th February 2010 @ 11:41 am
The final day AGAIN? Is it the really truly most awesomest final final final day ever or is it just another final day? LMAO
Comment by Fed-up — 28th February 2010 @ 6:37 pm
It’s March already and as usual they will be a few days/weeks “late”.
Oh, for those expecting this would be the final “final day”, don’t hold your breath.
This will only be another beginning of years of excuses, websites down, domains lost etc etc. And don’t forget another round of money being asked from you.
Comment by Cards — 1st March 2010 @ 10:13 am
Hello
If HCI is suspected to be a scam, like Global Pension Plan
What about the authorities not involved in closing its website,
either the FBI IC3.gob, or Interpol.?
We should communicate more with those authorities and that they deen us answers to what is happening, especially members who reside in the United States of America with more reason, contact with those authorities and make their complaints and you know the truth once.
Comment by Billly — 1st March 2010 @ 5:52 pm
FINAL = Its only the beginning (ha ha)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 1st March 2010 @ 5:54 pm
Awww, GPP changed something on their website, I can no longer access the posting page using the final step address. I had it saved in my favorites, and was able to pull it up, but now it wants a password and log on.
Can someone copy and paste their latest Update for me please?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 1st March 2010 @ 6:01 pm
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK
What else has changed GPP in your website?
Comment by Billly — 1st March 2010 @ 6:14 pm
Andy, the thing that makes me sure that GPP is a scam is history and experience. You asked me what I was going to say when GPP closed and started paying people on 2/28. Well 2/28 has come and gone and people are still waiting for money to start falling from the sky. When I joined GPP almost five years ago, I was told that payouts were going to start in a couple of months. That was years ago and they are still singing the same tune. Scam.
Comment by Gabriel — 1st March 2010 @ 7:30 pm
Yeah i know it seams light year away but since we OBVIOUSLY
have made a deposit of any sice you and me we might aswell belive or hope……
Comment by Andy — 2nd March 2010 @ 10:31 am
Andy : Actually a light year is a measure of distance, not time.
As for “hope for GPP” : that’s just lying to yourself. If you keep and keep expecting GPP to pay you, it will devastate you even more when they don’t, ever. Don’t say nobody tried to burn you.
Comment by Cards — 2nd March 2010 @ 6:31 pm
Billy,
I thought maybe there was a new update from them by the way people were talking on this website on the previous page.
Since I am not a member, I have no log on info, so I cant check for myself. It didnt ask for a log on before.
So, there wasnt a new update other than the January 8th one?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 2nd March 2010 @ 8:04 pm
No there is still no update.. Surprise Surprise! (Cilla Black!)
Comment by Faye — 3rd March 2010 @ 9:47 am
hahahahahahaha lightyear. Not laughing at you Andy, laughing at that message from Cards. hehe! “well actualy….” lol
Comment by Faye — 3rd March 2010 @ 2:49 pm
Here’s your update.
Pyramid scam suspect sought seized property giant
Turun Sanomat 2.3 2010 11:49:40
(2.3 updated 2010 11:52:14)
Central Criminal Police, examined by the Global Pension Plan, a pyramid scam (GPP), the value could reach million. NBI is applied to one prime suspect seized property 350 000 worth of Southwest Finland, the district court. The right to issue its decision tomorrow.
Turun Sanomat, according to the information that is in northern Finland, living in highly-qualified man who has links with Win Capitaan. The leader, Detective Chief Inspector Heikki Topi-Hulmi NBI to confirm that the property has been applied for the seizure, but does not comment on the suspect backgrounds.
NBI suspects deemed as an illegal pyramid-GPP run a ten Finnish people. List of suspects have been held only major contributors to people. Story törkeinä investigated as fraud and rahankeräysrikoksina.
Ten Tons little money
Pension insurance marketing, pyramid may have to invest money of 10 000 Finns. Promised investors up to 55 000 euro revenues in a few ten equal contribution. However, investors are left to lick their fingers, because the money has been channeled into bank accounts in tax havens.
– None has not been repaid, Topi-Hulmi says.
Pyramidal activity was silenced in pre-trial started.
– In early to say, however, revealed JÄLKILYPSY shares were offered again, Topi-Hulmi says.
Illegal pyramid marketing is structurally legitimate network marketing. Member’s revenues do not accrue any product or service sales, but the acquisition of new members. The idea is that lower levels of the pyramid is emerging in new members with a paid membership fees to pile up on the upper floors.
GPP-story-Topi are suspected to have issued an Hulmin guilty of the crimes, because they see their activities as legitimate.
JUSSI Orell
Comment by Fed-up — 3rd March 2010 @ 9:33 pm
is that it for Gpp then?
Comment by Faye — 4th March 2010 @ 12:05 pm
Pyramid schemes in a suspected 350 000 freezing
Turun Sanomat 4.3 2010 12:40:23
Southwest Finland, the District Court has ordered a pyramid scam suspected in northern Finland’s freezing assets of EUR 350 000. Turun Sanomat reported previously that the Central Bureau of Investigation is seeking one of the Global Pension Plan-pyramid (GPP), the major forces behind the man they consider the property seized.
KRP keep pension insurance kaupannutta GPP per illegal pyramid schemes, which may have to go through a million. The article has a dozen suspects. Suspect consider legal action
Comment by Fed-up — 4th March 2010 @ 6:58 pm
I’m sorry for those who thought February 28 was THE DAY. Maybe you’d remember this the next time you are waiting for their “updates”.
And not only late, the still upcoming update will only bring you more broken promises.
No payout.
Comment by Cards — 5th March 2010 @ 5:11 pm
I still dont really understand that other persons update…below 2 spaces.
Comment by Faye — 5th March 2010 @ 6:07 pm
First article is saying that the police in Finland had identified one person associated with GPP and had sought to have their assets frozen through the courts. It also mentions that they seem to have a line on others involved. It’s an automated translation from Finnish so it doesn’t read as well as it might.
Second article says that the court did in fact freeze the assets.
Comment by UnFinnished — 6th March 2010 @ 4:25 am
nope, neither did I Faye!
I DO understand that there is still no update though?
Comment by random passer by — 6th March 2010 @ 12:31 pm
I doubt you’ll be seeing any more updates other than in the news.
Comment by UnFinnished — 7th March 2010 @ 6:49 pm
Seems they would still take your money if you should happen to sign up a new member or buy additional policies. How can that be? (tongue in cheek)…….
Comment by pulsar — 7th March 2010 @ 9:25 pm
Rubbish!!
Are you not reading the last sentence of this article.
GPP-story-Topi are suspected to have issued an Hulmin guilty of the crimes, because they see their activities as legitimate.
Comment by Manasa — 8th March 2010 @ 2:05 am
Whats a Hulmin? Does that mean Not?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. — 8th March 2010 @ 8:33 pm
Lol
Comment by Faye — 8th March 2010 @ 9:11 pm
Faye-explain the word “hulmin” i’m not englisch spoken by birth.
Please.
Comment by Andy — 8th March 2010 @ 10:57 pm
I don’t have a clue what Hulmin means, sorry
Comment by Faye — 9th March 2010 @ 9:45 am
Nope, I AM english and have no clue what Hulmin means
Comment by random passer by — 10th March 2010 @ 8:04 pm
In fact, I don’t think anyone could understand that whole sentence.
Comment by random passer by — 10th March 2010 @ 11:12 pm
No I know I couldnt
Comment by Faye — 11th March 2010 @ 10:06 am
Good to that i’m not totaly lost
Comment by Andy — 11th March 2010 @ 6:06 pm
Hey guys GREAT NEWS !!!
I just chatted with this guy who HAS RECEIVED HIS CARD AND PAYMENT FROM GPP!!!
Apparently he’s a big shot who got paid first from GPP because he got 300 policies !!!
He is every excited !! Go ahead, talk with this guy !! He doesn’t mind telling other people. His contact info is :
Skype – CashKing2009
Yahoo Messenger – bzterry85
Naysayers, eat your heart out !!
Everyone, tell other GPP members to contact this guy if you want DETAILS !!!
GPP IS PAYING OUT EVEN AS YOU READ THIS !!!
HOORAY!! HOORAY !!! HOORAY !!!!!
Comment by Shadrack — 13th March 2010 @ 4:54 pm
Shadrack – Take it easy, you just had a dream.. Everything is cool, nothing will happen to GPP.
Comment by Fredrick — 14th March 2010 @ 4:13 pm
WELL OK I’LL BE THE FIRST TO COMMENT ON THIS POST OF “SHADRACKS” I THOUGHT APRIL THE 1st WAS APRIL FOOLS DAY, SEEMS LIKE THIS IDIOT WANTS TO MOVE THE DATE FORWARD !!!!!!
Comment by MARCO — 14th March 2010 @ 7:45 pm
Shadrack: TOO FUNNY!
Comment by EagleOne — 14th March 2010 @ 7:46 pm
Well.
Shadrack
Sorry if I fail to believe you.
Comment by random passer by — 14th March 2010 @ 8:04 pm
Shadrack
Are you an idiot.
GPP
so far has not paid anyone.
No proof of this.
Comment by Billly — 14th March 2010 @ 11:24 pm
Shadrack
If you show proof that GPP is paying the bank name and then recall what an idiot.
Shadrack
FURTHER INFORMATION.
Maybe you’re a funny or consume any drugs.
Comment by Billly — 15th March 2010 @ 1:01 am
BS, the deal always was GPP will pay everyone at the same time. No big shots get paid first. Just more lies trying to sell more policies. Anyone can say they were paid, doesn’t make it so. Only proof is when you are paid.
Comment by sleeper — 15th March 2010 @ 4:12 am
No update from Gpp then?!!
Comment by random passer by — 15th March 2010 @ 9:12 am
You don’t really expect them to honor their own deadline, not when there are people still sending them e-currency money for buying as many policies as they can, do you ? Why close now ? Another few weeks or months of this would be good for them. And then, they would start selling a whole new different stuff than policies : “debitcards”.
Comment by Cards — 15th March 2010 @ 11:34 am
Aww, Shadrack. You sound so excited. Im sorry. Unfortunatley you cant believe everything you hear. This person lied to you. I would address that with them if I were you. Ask them why they are the ONLY person on the planet to get paid, surely he isnt the only higher up. Surely somebody else out there is a top seller of policies.
Ask them and then tell us what they say.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th March 2010 @ 8:44 pm
That post came from some joker on the World Law forum. Shadrack didn’t know the idiot over there was joking around. Just someone wanting a little ray of hope for the people. It’s all good Shag. It’s not your fault. Shadrack said please except his apology for the error.
Comment by Pan — 15th March 2010 @ 11:57 pm
Another in the family of RPP scams, HCI25 has a new scam called GCMCF or GlobalCMCF or Global Commodity Management and Charity Fund.
Both are hosted on the same server at IP 213.5.64.99
Both have the same idiosyncracies in the writing.
Both have the same “project” naming convention including an LDTP Project.
Same hokey charity BS.
Some of the graphics are the same, e.g., compare the following directories:
http://globalcmcf.com/img/newsletter/
http://hci25.com/img/newsletter/
They made the mistake of leaving a file from HCI25 mixed in with the files on this server:
http://globalcmcf.com/img/logo_hci25.gif
Don’t fall for it.
Comment by ReFinnished — 17th March 2010 @ 6:20 pm
I want an update!
Not because I think it will be ‘good news’ but I want to know when/how/if this will end.
It’s better than Eastenders
Comment by random passer by — 17th March 2010 @ 9:05 pm
haha! Yeah been dragged out for long enough now, who killed GPP?
Comment by Faye — 18th March 2010 @ 11:24 am
It’s not GPP but people have finally begun realizing that Imperia Invest is nothing more than a scam. Go here for some interesting reading material : http://www.imperiascum.com/
Comment by Cards — 19th March 2010 @ 4:09 am
Cards,
BE CAREFUL …stay away from this low life scammer.
These groups are the actual SCAM pimp asking for money. NOT Imperia.
IBC is real and members has been receiving fund.
Comment by Allycat — 19th March 2010 @ 4:47 am
Allycat
What Global Pension Plan
real?
Comment by Billly — 19th March 2010 @ 6:04 pm
What is IBC?
Comment by Faye — 19th March 2010 @ 6:11 pm
Those of you who wondered what Hulmin meant or was, I have been told it can be a location or a person’s name. While it is considered to be a Finnish name or place, it also comes from Asia (Malaysia, Indonesia, and possibly China). Hopefully one of our Finnish or Asian friends can confirm this, or provide the explanation of the word.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th March 2010 @ 7:46 pm
Hello
And how will the complaints to Global Pension Plan?
Any response from Interpol or the FBI?
I think we should ask servers to Canada
, So you see the police in Canada Answers deen we GPP
Global-final-step.net is the 2837:th largest site within .NET. The site is using the nginx web server. The programming language used on the site is PHP and the main language used for the site’s textual content is English. The site was launched on Sunday, January 10, 2010. The server that hosts global-final-step.net is located in Repentigny, Canada. The server is located on the Peer 1 Network Inc network.
Comment by Billly — 20th March 2010 @ 2:30 am
The simple fact is that “that imperiascum” is a SCAM by themself. They only try to get money from you. You must be very stupid to believe them but that is your own sake.
Comment by Who knows — 20th March 2010 @ 5:11 pm
Thanks EO for the humlin update!
Billy,
Please clarify your post, Im a blonde, you need to break it down for me! So the final step website (two days after thier Jan 8th “update”) closed that website and re-opened a new one on the 10th? What country was the January 8th post website from? Or can that not be traced now that it is closed?
How did you find out that information? And what does it all mean?
What is IBC? Never heard of that one. Think Ill try to research that. Im getting into this cyber stuff! 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 21st March 2010 @ 1:35 am
Ok, I typed in “what is IBC” and searched, but I dont think I got the right answers!
IBC= Inflamatory Breast Cancer
IBC= International Business Center
And so on. Not what I was looking for!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 21st March 2010 @ 1:39 am
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK
INSTEAD OF IBS TRY “IMPERIA INVEST” IF YOU REALLY WANT TO CHECK OUT ANOTHER SCAM
Comment by marco — 22nd March 2010 @ 6:17 pm
Gooood give me an update
Comment by Faye — 22nd March 2010 @ 7:46 pm
Eagleone: That Hulmi is a persons name. He’s actually the NBI guy who’s in charge of investigating GPP.
And what comes to that news story, where that name popped up.
Here’s what it says in a nutshell(since google translation was really lousy):
– The main suspect had his assets frozen for 350000€ worth.
– Same guy also has links to Wincapita, a known pyramid scheme.
– NBI says that the have ten suspects, who can be considered main culprits.
– The small fishes are not investigated, just those suspected of running GPP.
– All the money was transferred to offshore-accounts
If there’s any updates in finnish, I’ll keep you all up to speed.
Comment by Rokka — 23rd March 2010 @ 8:12 am
So its 100% now that GPP is a scam?
Comment by Faye — 23rd March 2010 @ 1:00 pm
Faye:
Well, hasn’t it been obvious from day one, that GPP is a scam? Of course, there’s always people who refuse to believe until somebody is convicted.
I find it funny when some HC-believers argue that it’s not a scam, since nobody is arrested by authorities.
Let’s put it this way, imagine that your car is stolen. Now imagine that some idiot comes to tell you that there’s no crime committed. According to him/her, because your car, and the thief that took it, are nowhere to be found, no proof of crime exists.
It’s the same kind of fuzzy logic that GPP defenders (pimps) use.
If it hasn’t paid out in, like what, 4-5 years, how much proof do you need, a written confession…?
Comment by Rokka — 23rd March 2010 @ 6:45 pm
No,actually,cocky!! It is never 100pc til proven. Its most likely. But noone is going to take yr word,who are u?
Comment by Faye — 23rd March 2010 @ 7:52 pm
Are we little bit touchy about the subject, Faye? Sorry if I sounded cocky, that was not my purpose.
And about who I am, I’m just another anonymous on the internet, just like GPP. You know about me just as little as you know about people running GPP.
Now if promise to turn your 20€ into 55000€, would you trust me?
Comment by Rokka — 23rd March 2010 @ 8:31 pm
Thanks Rokka!
And yes Mr/Mrs smarty pants, a written confession would be just lovely! One from the tippy top please. lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd March 2010 @ 8:37 pm
Oh! Thank you Marco.
I did look up Imperia Invest IBC. Yikes, same book different cover.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd March 2010 @ 8:43 pm
ROKKA: Good to have you back. Missed your posts. Thanks for the clarification. Have the authorities released any names of the people they have rounded up, and any idea when a trial will be forthcoming for all of these people? While I have no doubt they all are pretty high up in GPP, I still think the real perps are not among them.
If the real people behind GPP are ever found, I would not be surprised to see Roger Karlsson and Tom Sornes included in the group. I would also not be surprised to see Pedro Dispenza/Peter or Pieter Roor behind it as well. I have thought for a long time these 3 were a part of GPP, as well as HCI25. Just too many similarities and their MO all over both. Hopefully we will soon find out.
Thanks again for the update, and please post when new information is known. All the best my friend.
Comment by EagleOne — 23rd March 2010 @ 10:23 pm
Eagleone: It’s always good to be back. And about investigation, it’s still ongoing. So NBI is not releasing any names or any additional information, unfortunately. Only thing they mentioned, was that the main suspect was from northern Finland and had ties to Wincapita(forex scam). Someone who fits the description comes to my mind, Matti Kärsämä.
It was rumoured that he was arrested last november, for his wincapita dealings. There’s still no info about any trials or court proceeding, but I’ll keep you all posted.
I also find it difficult to believe that Matti is the mastermind behind GPP. He surely is a scam pimping low life, but running GPP, I doubt.
Comment by Rokka — 24th March 2010 @ 7:52 am
Rokka: I totally agree with you about Matti. No doubt he was one of the major pimps of GPP in Finland. In fact he was to have had a big rally but had to cancel with the announcement of the Finnish regulatory agency ordered to investigate GPP. And he was also in Wincapita as you stated. Heck, I cannot think of one legitimate program he ever pimped. Kind of like a lot of others in the scam world. I look forward to your updates when available.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th March 2010 @ 8:42 am
That didnt mean to come out cocky, but as sarcastic. Hehe! i have been against GPP from the start, but people need solid confirmation to move on
Comment by Faye — 24th March 2010 @ 10:04 am
Eagleone, I think this guy also can be added to the same GPP scammer group:
http://se.linkedin.com/pub/mr-roger-k-olsson/13/38A/793
if you do some googling on this guy, you can find that he actually has a company called Giuen Holding Ltd. All his business dealings seems somewhat suspicious, so GPP fits the picture quite well. This is the same guy who’s been flooding the forums with nick “cwmtrader”.
Comment by Rokka — 25th March 2010 @ 8:51 am
So this must be a new record for them : their update is one full month late and counting.
Comment by Cards — 27th March 2010 @ 3:42 am
Keep watching your mailbox…..
Comment by FAITH — 27th March 2010 @ 4:20 am
Its prob cause theyve been rumbled and cant be bothered anymore
Comment by Faye — 27th March 2010 @ 1:05 pm
Why? Is the mailbox going to do tricks?!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th March 2010 @ 6:28 pm
YES A VANISHING ACT
Comment by MARCO — 29th March 2010 @ 8:40 pm
HI Any one got any INFO on Imperia IBC
Comment by dodi — 30th March 2010 @ 1:48 am
2549
Why? Is the mailbox going to do tricks?!
Yes, if you have your treats in place.
Comment by FAITH — 30th March 2010 @ 2:18 am
I dont follow?
Comment by Faye — 30th March 2010 @ 10:22 am
treats from GPP?!
HA!
The infamous debit card (which you have not signed for- but don’t let that put you off) in an account opened without your permission (once again, just details) preloaded with life changing amounts of money which would bankrupt any insurance company (but hey, why stop the fantacy)
Comment by random passer by — 30th March 2010 @ 6:50 pm
HI Any one got any INFO on Imperia IBC
Dodi…..Look in your backoffice
Comment by Andy — 1st April 2010 @ 1:31 pm
How does a blog site disappear and reappear? This is confusing me. I had gone on another site like this one, its called “global pension plan-they never give up”, Ive been there before, then I couldnt find it again, then I found it and I was just there no more than 5 minutes ago when my computer froze up, and then it was gone. Whats that all about???
Anyway, the guy on there was yackin about that he “knows” some higher up guys that have already gotten paid. I tried to argue that no one got paid yet as its all or nothing. But of course, he insisted blah blah blah. But what the hell keeps happening with that web page? Thats the real mystery to me….. Anyone know?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st April 2010 @ 7:33 pm
Andy in regard to your request: “HI Any one got any INFO on Imperia IBC” It is the same scam, just a new dress to try and make it look different.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st April 2010 @ 9:52 pm
to: IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK
The site has a advertising script that is not working…it froze my computer too….
Comment by P — 2nd April 2010 @ 10:17 am
to: IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK
Open the site with Chrome, it works for me!
Comment by Fredrick — 2nd April 2010 @ 2:22 pm
Thanks! Thought I was going nuts with a disappearing/reappearing website.
What is Chrome though?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd April 2010 @ 7:25 pm
Google Chrome! It´s a web browser! Just go to google and get it! Works much faster than Explorer
Comment by Fredrick — 3rd April 2010 @ 2:55 am
We want an update!!
Comment by Faye — 4th April 2010 @ 10:27 am
Faye,
What up date are you looking /waiting for??
Payment already in progrss. Your time will come if you’re the member.
Comment by Ally — 5th April 2010 @ 8:53 am
Ally, what makes u say that?
Comment by Faye — 5th April 2010 @ 5:28 pm
Ally, No one has been paid by GPP, GPP is a scam.
If you are get your info about alleged GPP payouts from people like
Wayne McLean, Gary Holmes, Estelle Thresher, John Noakes,
Dieter Henke etc ignore them they are all pathological liars.
Comment by gppisascam — 5th April 2010 @ 5:58 pm
Ally,
Hi, question for you: if the website hasnt given any updates on payout information, how do you know there is a payout in process?
Normally they tell you about a dead line and an expectant payout time frame, have they simply skipped that this time, and went straight to the payout?
Inquiering minds want to know….:)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 5th April 2010 @ 6:48 pm
What’s wrong with you peoples!
Did I mentioned anything about GPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Ally — 6th April 2010 @ 7:50 am
Ally… that is what this website is about
what are you talking about?
Comment by random passer by — 6th April 2010 @ 7:52 am
Errr then why are you posting on a GPP forum. Im not asking about payouts from any old random thing? WTF?
Comment by Faye — 6th April 2010 @ 11:46 am
Faye,
Pay attention and listen carefully. This will be my LAST posting and I won’t be coming back for good.
Mine ARRIVED.
Comment by Ally — 6th April 2010 @ 2:10 pm
Right, you need to READ carefully as Im sure you will be back! First your on about getting a payment from GPP then you flip out for some reason or another and say you didnt mention anything about GPP although your on a GPP forum! Now you’re on about your payment arriving! You seem like a bit of a fruit loop to me but IF it has arrived then well done you, your prob the happiest woman alive. But you make no effing sense woman/man!
Comment by Faye — 6th April 2010 @ 3:03 pm
Faye, what Ally meant is, this morning her newspaper ARRIVED. Nothing more LOL
Comment by Cards — 6th April 2010 @ 3:24 pm
HAHAHA! Mine didn’t, Im going to get on the phone to them bleeders and complain!
Comment by Faye — 6th April 2010 @ 3:58 pm
“and I won’t be coming back for good.”
P.s this doesn’t make sense.
Comment by Faye — 6th April 2010 @ 3:58 pm
“Your attitude, not your aptitude, determines your altitude.â€
“So many of our dreams at first seems impossible, then they seem improbable, and then, when we summon the will, they soon become inevitable.â€
Comment by Happy — 6th April 2010 @ 7:14 pm
Faye,
If you change the way you look at things, the things you look at change.
~Dr Wayne Dyer~
Comment by Pan Sui — 6th April 2010 @ 7:16 pm
WOW!! Did I miss something? Faye, were you pickin on our new friend? She’s a bit tightly wound, that one! Yikes. lol
Well, maybe she will relax a little now that she got what ever “Arrived” for her (Im guessing more mood altering drugs?)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 6th April 2010 @ 9:05 pm
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK
A man’s character may be learned from the adjectives which he habitually uses in conversation.
Comment by Happy — 7th April 2010 @ 2:31 am
Isn’t it nice when a ‘new’ poster handily pops in to support an old poster who has flounced?
Handy
GPP had a positive attitude and are laughing all the way to the bank. People get scammed no matter how positive their attitude is. Being positive about GPP does not mean you will get a payout…. why would it????
Comment by random passer by — 7th April 2010 @ 8:46 am
Whats this , Jerry Springers thought of the day?
Comment by Faye — 7th April 2010 @ 8:54 am
LOL
maybe I am Jerry….
Would like an update though..
Comment by random passer by — 7th April 2010 @ 10:15 am
(me being Jerry is a whole lot more likely than GPP payout…)
Comment by random passer by — 7th April 2010 @ 10:35 am
There are two possible scenarios for an update : either they are extending the deadline to sell more policies, or that they will begin selling their imaginary debit cards.
Comment by Cards — 7th April 2010 @ 10:52 am
CARDS! I agree with you!! Well if you are Jerry, can I have some money please!
Comment by Faye — 7th April 2010 @ 11:39 am
Could you imagine tho – an update saying “The cards have been posted with your monies on” I would think im being fonejacked!
Comment by Faye — 7th April 2010 @ 11:46 am
Faye,
Let go of your attachment to being right, and suddenly your mind is more open. You’re able to benefit from the unique viewpoints of others, without being crippled by your own judgment.
People take different roads seeking fulfillment and happiness. Just because they’re not on your road doesn’t mean they’ve gotten lost.
Comment by Happy — 7th April 2010 @ 9:18 pm
Happy, you should let go of your house, sell it and use all the money to buy GPP policies. I’m sure they will make you a BILLIONAIRE overnight very soon. After all, they are sitting on BILLIONS of dollars, right ? And yet they are very eager to send all their money to their members.
Comment by Cards — 8th April 2010 @ 7:13 am
Haha! I feel like Im having a reading! Your a effing nut job. Leave me alone!
Comment by Faye — 8th April 2010 @ 9:05 am
Cards – You make me chuckle!
Comment by Faye — 8th April 2010 @ 9:06 am
Faye- you invested didn’t you?
Happy….I, Therefore, am sure Faye would be celebrating… being rich is better than being wrong!
Happy. How much have you invested?
Comment by random passer by — 8th April 2010 @ 9:46 am
Being rich is better then anything! I did invest, yes!
Comment by Faye — 8th April 2010 @ 10:44 am
To be honest Im getting really angry with GPP now! I have just decided to sweep the internet with this GPP and it has gotten huge within the past few years! There are for’s and against on each side obviously but I hate it now! Its doing my head in! Id rather just know for sure!!!
Comment by Faye — 8th April 2010 @ 2:17 pm
I dont think anyone will ever know for sure. They could feasably (sp?) drag this out for 5 more years. I mean they have been around since 2005, whats another 5 years? They sell a dream for cheap, and as long as no one stops them, they have an endless supply of people looking for a cheap way to get rich quick.
Like Ive said, I hope it does payout for y’all, but…..?????
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th April 2010 @ 4:03 pm
Are you not invested? Well one minute theyve been arrested and taken to court and the next everything is still on. Its infuryating(?) But I would just like to know either way, like you say tho, it will prob be another few more years.
Comment by Faye — 8th April 2010 @ 4:29 pm
Actually, I am not invested. Back in January of 2008, a friend of mine approached me to help her with something.
She told me about GPP, and how she had not heard from them after she gave her “upline” money. She is poor, in her late 50’s, on disability, no car, no job, single mom and no computer. She is very bad off in life.
So,since I have access to a computer, she asked me to email her upline guy for her. So I did. Of course, he offered for me to join since they, at that time, were on the verge of “paying out” in February of 2008. And as great as it sounded, something in the back of my head wouldnt let me do it! So I did not join, but I helped my friend get in touch with her upline and send in the requested documents.
Since then Ive been keeping track of GPP. And it just makes me angry that people like her joined and are waiting for a better life. Her upline guy had told me in Jan 08 that he was planning on leaving the country shortly. So after a few weeks he left. He turned out to be a real tool. I got tired of the busy work that gpp had us do. Go to this website, update your info here, do this do that, I contacted him and asked him if he could just update my friend directly via phone or something and he had a little hissy fit. Havent heard from him since.
If this were legit in my opinion, he wouldnt have acted like a spoiled little girl, and he would have kept contact, especially knowing her situation. But I feel that he got the money, and no longer has a need to keep in touch with her.
I have since found it fascinating to hear the ya’s and the nay’s about gpp and the logic (or lack thereof)behind it. I am incidentally a nayser, just from all the things I have read, and experienced with the upline jagoff, so I dont expect this to payout ever. But I do have a small interest in it if it does pay out, my friend said she would give me $1000.00 for helping her out with the documents and the other things I have done for her and her son. Just a side note: I didnt help her in order to get money out of it, I am a helper bee by nature. But I am a single mom too, so if your offering to give me some of your free money, then Ill be happy to take it.
So do I want to see it pay? Yes, absolutley. Do I think it will? No, I dont.
Ok, Im done with the yakity yak! 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th April 2010 @ 7:55 pm
Oh an american i gather. I thought u were infact english like me. Thats neither here nor there. I hope it pays 4 everyone,its nice 2 hear the good stuff but easier to believe the bad stuff.
Comment by Faye — 8th April 2010 @ 9:08 pm
Im English at heart! Does that count? I loved Benny Hill, Dr. Who (Tom Baker that is), Are you being Served? And those two ladies in their 40’s that were best friends and they kept getting into trouble (like Lucy and Ethil) anyway.
Im just across the pond…
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th April 2010 @ 10:01 pm
Heehee! Not far then. Only a few thousand miles! We can swap lives if you’d like! Love to be out that way in your neck of the woods!
Comment by Faye — 9th April 2010 @ 8:51 am
Awesome, lets switch!! lol
By the way, how long have you been invested in GPP?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 10th April 2010 @ 6:08 pm
Prob for around 2years now so not as long as most
Comment by Faye — 11th April 2010 @ 10:00 am
my friend has been invested for 3 years now… he was convinced it would payout in a year
Comment by random passer by — 11th April 2010 @ 11:27 am
Fingers crossed !
Comment by Faye — 12th April 2010 @ 1:25 pm
Random, your not in it either?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 12th April 2010 @ 3:19 pm
Hello
Does anyone have any extra news GPP?
GPP is not communicated
as of January 8, 2010 There are no posts in the forum, do not mention payment, nothing.
Comment by Billly — 12th April 2010 @ 5:48 pm
nope, almost invested but did not want to send off my documents.
Friend invested, his dad and brother did too… friend invested a few hundred and the dad a bit more…
Comment by random passer by — 12th April 2010 @ 6:59 pm
Faye: You can cross your fingers, eyes, arms, legs, and toes, but this will not change the fact this is a scam. Sorry, but that is the reality.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th April 2010 @ 10:29 pm
Yeah I know, but some people still have hope! What makes you 100% tho?
Comment by Faye — 13th April 2010 @ 8:51 am
Faye, I am 100% confident that GPP is a scam. I know the cold truth behind it and how it started. I dare bet everything I own that it’s a scam. I wrote about it a long time ago, back when everyone thinks Stella is their savior. It is buried in the MMG forum archive.
Comment by Cards — 13th April 2010 @ 11:52 am
Can u get it out for me? I would be interested to read how your 100%
Comment by Faye — 13th April 2010 @ 11:55 am
Faye: 1. It is mathematically impossible, 2. It is financially/economically impossible, 3. It is impossible for any insurance company to issue this much insurance, and 4. There is no such pension plan that does what GPP claims. Steala said in the beginning this was a regular pension plan, not some kind of hybrid that now everyone is claiming it is supposed to be.
Think about this. For this to be real, even the top 200 banks in the world “combined” could not lend this much cash at one time. We are talking about 42-70 Billions of dollars, and “all in cash.” Can’t be done, even if there wasn’t this global economic crisis we are in. This is a mathematical fact. If this does not do it for you, then nothing anyone can say will convince you otherwise.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th April 2010 @ 9:32 pm
EagleOne you are clueless……Go back to your NEST.
Comment by Misokki — 14th April 2010 @ 3:02 am
Are you invested Eagle One? & Misokki,please, lets here your arguement?
Comment by Faye — 14th April 2010 @ 9:39 am
OPEN QUESTION FOR EVERY ONE,MY SISTER IN-LAW SENT HER DOCUMENTS OFF AND IS NOW FLOODED BY E-MAIL WITH OFFFERS OF THOUSANDS IF NOT MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO HELP SOME LONG LOST SOLE, GOD KNOWS WHERE IN THE WORLD TO HELP TRANSFER MONEY INTO THE COUNTRY, ALSO LOADS OF FAKE UPS PARCEL DELIVERY NOTICES IS THIS JUST COINCIDENCE OR HAS ANYONE ELSE NOTICED THIS.THIS QUESTION REALLY IS TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE SUBMITTED THEIR DOCUMENTS.
MB
Comment by MARCO — 14th April 2010 @ 4:06 pm
No I def didnt have anything like that, she prob got it from other site, comps, surveys etc! That would be my guess 🙂
Comment by Faye — 14th April 2010 @ 4:13 pm
That is def a scam email, its been going round for years, I had one (through my hotmail account, not through my account with GPP) it was said about on the news and msn site etc!
Comment by Faye — 14th April 2010 @ 4:14 pm
Faye this isn’t the place. You will understand that in the not so distant future. That’s all folks!!
Comment by Misokki — 14th April 2010 @ 5:18 pm
Tell me in short terms please.
Comment by Faye — 14th April 2010 @ 7:12 pm
“Faye this isn’t the place. You will understand that in the not so distant future. That’s all folks!!
Comment by Misokki – April 14, 2010 @ 5:18 pm ”
“EagleOne you are clueless……Go back to your NEST.
Comment by Misokki – April 14, 2010 @ 3:02 am ”
Again one of these chosen people, someone who’s “in the know” when it comes to GPP. Sadly of course, this Misokki can’t reveal any of his/her secret knowledge. We’ll just have to take his/her word that something is about to happen with GPP, and soon. Misokki is just another GPP scammer playing smoke and mirrors, I assume…
Comment by Rokka — 14th April 2010 @ 7:21 pm
I have recieved those emails too. Those dont have anything to do with GPP.
I cant tell you how many times I have won the “UK Internaltional Lottery”. And poor Mrs. Watson from Africa wanting to give me money becuause her husband died. Or the job offer from China where all I have to do is have some money deposited into My checking account so that I can turn around and send it elsewhere.
Its all crap email, just delete those.
Greetings Misokki, our secretive new friend. Why is it that you have some information that no one else has? What makes you so special? Share your knowledge, if were all going to find out in the “not so distant future” anyway, whats the big deal?
And Eagle, are you gonna take that shit??!! LOL
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 14th April 2010 @ 8:12 pm
I was told never to argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, and to an outsider they might not be able to tell the difference which one is the idiot.
Just another one seeking their 15 minutes of notoriety.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th April 2010 @ 9:19 pm
EagleOne,
The real art of conversation is not only to say the right thing in the right place but to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
No change of circumstances can repair a defect of character.
Comment by Misokki — 14th April 2010 @ 10:46 pm
Oh brother…
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 14th April 2010 @ 10:57 pm
Misokki: Sorry to burst your bubble, but we are not having a conversation. I wasn’t even replying to you, but someone else. Maybe you should adhere to your advice before worrying about me.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th April 2010 @ 12:33 am
EagleOne,
While one person hesitates because he feels inferior, the other is busy making mistakes and becoming superior.
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
Comment by Misokki — 15th April 2010 @ 1:29 am
EagleOne,
No worries……spread your wings.
Comment by Misokki — 15th April 2010 @ 1:30 am
So “ally” said she would never be back. But now she’s back as “Misokki”, LOL.
Comment by Cards — 15th April 2010 @ 3:54 am
Who is Ally?
Comment by Misokki — 15th April 2010 @ 3:58 am
Misokki: In regard to your post, and I quote below:
“EagleOne,
While one person hesitates because he feels inferior, the other is busy making mistakes and becoming superior.
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
Comment by Misokki – April 15, 2010 @ 1:29 am”
I see you are still under the delusion we are having a conversation. But out of curiosity, which one are you supposed to be above?
Comment by EagleOne — 15th April 2010 @ 7:01 am
The more I think about it, Misokki is like a dog chasing its tail. When it finally catches it, it thinks, “OK, Now what?”
Comment by EagleOne — 15th April 2010 @ 7:06 am
I know it’s above your head Eagleone. I’m bowing out gracefully.
Comment by Misokki — 15th April 2010 @ 10:56 am
“EagleOne,
While one person hesitates because he feels inferior, the other is busy making mistakes and becoming superior.
Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
Comment by Misokki – April 15, 2010 @ 1:29 am”
Wise words, Misokki. Too bad that they’re not yours. Are you just trying to sound smart by quoting Gandhi and Henry C.Link? Would be common courtesy to mention the person you’re quoting…
Comment by Rokka — 15th April 2010 @ 2:27 pm
I never said they were but I’m glad you do.
Comment by Misokki — 15th April 2010 @ 2:31 pm
No, I just said that they’re NOT your words.
So, anything else you wan’t to share with us. Some smart quotes, or maybe some secret info about GPP?
Comment by Rokka — 15th April 2010 @ 2:57 pm
hahaha
Comment by Faye — 15th April 2010 @ 3:12 pm
“One original thought is worth a thousand mindless quotings”.
(by: 0Diogenes of Sinope)
BAM! LOL
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th April 2010 @ 4:56 pm
I think that Misokki and “Happy” from page 129 are one and the same person. Same quoting stuff….Am I right? Did I win? (Ok, another boring day at work.)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th April 2010 @ 5:05 pm
Misokki=Ally=Happy. I think you’re the winner, IF IT WALKS…
Same awful way of writing, it’s kind of obvious. Well, I have to give credit to this person, at least he/she can use copy+paste. But that’s as far as it goes…
Comment by Rokka — 15th April 2010 @ 7:49 pm
I couldnt copy and paste my “quote”, it wouldnt let me, I actually had to write it! (ha)
But I like mine better than his/hers.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th April 2010 @ 8:14 pm
Misokki: You’re leaving? I hope it wasn’t something I said. Bowing out gracefully? I thought it was more like a curtsy.
Just when you were going to enlighten all of us on how GPP is real and we don’t know what we are talking about too. I was so looking forward to all your “facts” of how GPP is real, and how I could be so wrong in my mathematical conclusions. I was so looking forward to learning the “new math” that makes GPP real.
Don’t you just hate it when the people who are in the “know” won’t share their vast superior knowledge? I know I do. Do you need any tissues?
Comment by EagleOne — 15th April 2010 @ 8:40 pm
Wow, over 2900 comments and you’re still going strong – well done everyone!
Misokki…
aka
Happy
Pan Sui
FAITH
Pan
Manasa
Clemete’
Not sure about “Ally” but IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK wins the guessing game.
Comment by Ben — 16th April 2010 @ 8:06 am
I can show “facts” GPP is real. Mail me at calvinhwn@gmail.com
[Addition by Ben: I can only dream of what miraculous insights “calvin” has for us]
Comment by calvin — 16th April 2010 @ 8:08 am
right, who is gonna take one for the team and e mail this joker? Publish the ‘facts’ here please! 🙂
Comment by random passer by — 16th April 2010 @ 9:42 am
Its like going into the snake pit in the forum, anybody with faith gets rips to shreds! 🙂
Comment by Faye — 16th April 2010 @ 12:06 pm
Thats not even a real email address “Calvin”!
Comment by Faye — 16th April 2010 @ 12:16 pm
Your right Faye, that email doesnt exist. This is the error report I got after trying to email Calvin:
:
74.125.93.114 does not like recipient.
Remote host said: 550-5.1.1 The email account that you tried to reach does not exist. Please try
550-5.1.1 double-checking the recipient’s email address for typos or
550-5.1.1 unnecessary spaces. Learn more at
550 5.1.1 http://mail.google.com/support/bin/answer.py?answer=6596 6si4831502qwd.33
Giving up on 74.125.93.114.
Ben, we will never know what inside poop Calvin has for us! Thats not nice teasing us like that Calvin. Shame on you.
Oh, and as for me winning the name game, I would like to thank the academy, my family, and friends, God above (even though Im atheist), everyone on this forum…lol- Ill wait for my Bozo button prize to come in the mail.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 16th April 2010 @ 4:19 pm
Lol, you’ll be waiting a long time
Comment by Faye — 16th April 2010 @ 4:52 pm
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, You forgot to thank the most important people that helped you win: Stella Pohjola, Chicosan, Matti Kärsämä, Terry Gilder, Judahlion, there wouldn’t even be GPP if it wasn’t for them.
I’m sure I forgot to mention some scammers,hope they don’t mind.
One of my favourite GPP supporter was Extan, anybody remember him…?
Comment by Rokka — 16th April 2010 @ 6:33 pm
My apologies Rokka! You are right, I thank all of those “wonderful” people that made this forum possible as well. Those untouchable little scamsters in GPP.
Im not kidding about that bozo button!
Yes, I remember Extan. What ever happen to him? Off on one of those excursions that he always went on? Maybe he went mountain climbing and fell off? Its been a really long time since he has been on here.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 16th April 2010 @ 7:19 pm
Its in the post. Dont forget to thank the fellow forum posters such as me. Bath time then facejacker for me. Back to work monday to prowl the web for gpp evidence! Perhaps ill win euromillions tonight then gpp wil be forgotten. Oh dear,i swear this forum is the new facebook!
Comment by Faye — 16th April 2010 @ 9:02 pm
I just want to go on record as saying that Calvin’s E-mail address is just as real as GPP. I am absolutely positive about that. I didn’t want anyone thinking I was negative all the time.
Faye: You have a far better chance of winning the Lotto that GPP paying out. The odds on GPP paying out is 0 for 100,000,000 Trillion. So keep playing the Lotto.
By the way Calvin, if you really had the information GPP was real, you would have been posting it every where, not asking people to E-mail you.
Comment by EagleOne — 16th April 2010 @ 9:11 pm
Is “facejacker” – facebook?? Im on facebook too! Good night Faye, I hope you win your lotto!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 16th April 2010 @ 9:29 pm
Facejacker is a show in uk. Like fonejacker. Go to youtube.
Comment by Faye — 17th April 2010 @ 12:08 pm
This group is quite addictive… I really want another update, all this no contact is quite dull.
(Yes, I’m SURE they reallly are busy sending out debit cards which is why we have no update … blah blah … or maybe they’re too busy on their luxury yacht).
Any news from your internet search, Faye?
Comment by random passer by — 17th April 2010 @ 6:53 pm
random passer by: When has GPP ever provided an update on time? They didn’t when they had the super admin Stella, who worked so hard for all the members (or so it was claimed by many), could not do it; what makes you think a rookie would be able to do it?
I will be surprised if they do provide any update, as I believe they have now pulled a Houdini. I think they feel the heat of the authorities and feel it is time to slink away and start their next scam. What is sad is many, and I would say the vast majority of the members of GPP, will also fall for this new one when it starts.
In fact Warren English is already announcing a new insurance program. The only problem is you have to be referred into it by someone already a member as it is “private.” But for just $10, you too can receive $1,000’s of dollars monthly. You see the super wealthy have bought a Billion Dollar Insurance policy, and out of the goodness of their little pea-picken hearts, they are going to allow anyone who buys a $10 position to share in the profits. The great news is you can buy as many $10 postiions as you want, and you can also buy them for others. They are going to save the world of poverty, and children from starving. Well, that’s what Warren says.
Now I wonder how many hundreds of thousands of people will also fall for this one, and have their hopes and dreams crushed yet again when it doesn’t pay out, and it won’t? There is no Billion Dollar Insurance policy. The return on this policy, even if it was real, is so low that any Billionaire would not waste his/her time even buying it. They can get a far greater rerurn in a much quicker time frame than an insurance policy.
But to the scammer, it is a quick $1-$5 Million dollar take, if not more, just like GPP was to the scammers behind it.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th April 2010 @ 4:12 am
well… I didn’t say I thought they would provide an update on time, but would like some form of an update. Just to humour me!
Comment by random passer by — 18th April 2010 @ 1:14 pm
(yes, I agree- many scammed by GPP will also be scammed by the next project. I know my friend and his father would be very easily sucked in by them)
Comment by random passer by — 18th April 2010 @ 1:15 pm
Nope,its not monday yet! 🙂 unless your australian, which by The way i am not. Sunday 7.45. Work tomorrow. Noooooo! I am awaiting The next “update” too. Lets make one up to start a commotion.
Comment by Faye — 18th April 2010 @ 7:47 pm
GPP site is GONE finally.
Is Over.
Comment by Kelvin — 19th April 2010 @ 4:43 pm
Not sure the site is gone. I read on another forum where someone said it was back up again. But then this is the Internet. I hope it is finally gone so all those that keep saying they got their cards, or the cards are going out fully funded will find a new scam to join.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th April 2010 @ 6:48 pm
What?! The website hasnt gone anywhere?!!!!
Comment by Faye — 19th April 2010 @ 9:19 pm
So Eagle,
You think that Warren ditched GPP, and simply moved over to the “new” insurance thing he is promoting?
I tried to pull up GPP’s site, I can get there, but I have to log in, which I cant do being Im not a member.
I was on another site just now, and someone was asking the public about an April payout date. Do you think that they could actually be paying out this time? Wow, did I just ask that?! SSSHHH, Im a blonde. lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 19th April 2010 @ 9:57 pm
Did a little research, here is what I have found. Some random guy from this website http://www.future4me.com/gpp/, has set up this website to “help” people who may have not sent in their documents.
My questions: 1.) Why him? Why not GPP updating and telling their people about this? 2.) who is he??
Anyway, this is what the website says (although its a ton longer, you would have to go to it for the details)”
****Very Important: Global Pension Plan (GPP) http://www.global-final-step.net (new domain as of Jan 4th, 2010) are now in the final stages and ‘without any further payments required from members’, they are getting ready to pay them the life-changing payouts offered (shown on screenshot below), do you recognize the webpage?
Did you join GPP? or forget you had? or perhaps you didn’t take it seriously, lost contact or were concerned about sending in copies of your ID. If so then please see the information further down this page which will help you decide whether you still want to follow through and be ready to receive a life-changing payout that could happen very soon. Act now and please continue reading below to be able to follow through easily******
Ok, thats all I copied and pasted, way too long. This makes it seem more legititamite. However, that nagging little beast in the back of my head still screams Bullshit.
Whats your opinion folks? Anyone got paid yet?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 19th April 2010 @ 10:17 pm
Come to think of it, the GPP website said back in January that it still had a bunch of policies to sell didnt it? This guy is lyeing. Sorry I wasted ya-all’s time!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 19th April 2010 @ 10:35 pm
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK: With Warren ones never knows for sure since everything he promotes is a scam. He is either behind it like his MPP, or a part of it like I believe he is in GPP, HCI25 and ImperiaInvest.
I got the impression that he wanted to only promote this new insurance scam as he was afraid people would get the two confused (the new plan and GPP).
I still think they have finally pulled the plug, and know that they have at least another couple of months before the masses figure it out. By then the new and improved plan will be ready for launch, and the same ones in GPP will line up to join the new scam. Some never learn.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th April 2010 @ 10:37 pm
Wow, I was just on World Law Forum, and holy shit- Rough Crowd!! lol
If you think that people are rude here, then you wont be able to handle it at World law. Snippy, mean, condescending, sarcastic, my virgin eyes just couldnt take all the swear words anymore, yikes! Whats a F**ktard?!
Nevermind, I dont wanna know.
To GPP I say, Piss or get off the Pot already! Lets see how long they are quiet for this time. Maybe Eagle is right, gone for good?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 20th April 2010 @ 1:03 am
Yeah that forum is a brutal one. Eagle gets far to dramatic about talking about joining the other group blah blah n screaming on this forum bout the website going down, but it hasnt. im all about gpp being scam but u need to calm down! U have no proof of anything n now yr talking of gpp going to other groups. Your well ahead of youself.
Comment by Faye — 20th April 2010 @ 8:14 am
So, did anyone take a look at that link I posted? What did you think if you did?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 20th April 2010 @ 11:03 pm
Faye: You are way too funny. First you have selective reading skills. On the previous page I mention the website is stil up, after it had been reported it was gone. Just a few posts down I said “I think” they have done a runner, not that they have done a runner.
As to your comments about WLD, it was as delusional as your comments about my saying the site was gone. But thanks for the entertainment. I can always count on you to make me laugh. Thanks.
Comment by EagleOne — 21st April 2010 @ 6:09 am
Yeah, i saw the link. Ive seen it before upon one of my searches lol. Can be very intriguing! Eagle,im glad u can use sarcasm to not make yourself look so silly.
Comment by Faye — 21st April 2010 @ 7:50 am
For GPP Members Only
GPP additional Policies still availiable.
Big funds sitting in my Liberty Reserve. I can service your purchase of AP.
For Imperia Invest Members Only.
I can help people who are trying to get the Imperia Bank option.
According to the latest Imperia update Liberty Reserve and Perfect Money funding options have been disabled.
I have Imperia depot Procurex funds ready to transfer to other Imperia members so they can get their bank cards.
If a member has funds sitting in Liberty Reserve I can take that as payment. Or a member can make a cash deposit into my BofA account, money order as another option.
Contact me If you need my services
calvinhwm@gmail.com,
Comment by Calvin — 21st April 2010 @ 8:24 am
Faye: What makes you think I was being sarcastic? LOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 21st April 2010 @ 9:05 am
Lol, just a hunch!
Comment by Faye — 21st April 2010 @ 11:11 am
Just to crush all hope, surely there would be an update or news of some sort by now?!!!!!!!111
Comment by Faye — 21st April 2010 @ 2:31 pm
Play nice you two! If I have to pull this website over, someones gonna get whooped! lol
No actual news on any website. How dramatic, the suspense is just eating away at me! Are they, or arent they? Only…..time….will….tell…..(que dramatic music..don don donnnn)ha ha
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 21st April 2010 @ 3:55 pm
Lol nobody will be getting whopped around here ha! ha! Whopped reminds me of a BK whopper and im starrrrrving, cant wait to get home. No matter how much research I do, I cant find anything. Themco are normally good with updates but they seemed to have given up! I think people like us are not waiting for the “payout” but are awaiting the news! You’re right, the suspension is unreal, its frustrating, I seem to be checking this forum every day! I got called sad today by my boyf haha! I told you that this is the new facebook! I think its funny how people are coming on here claiming to have gotten cards or they know someone who has there cards or they have new news that nobody else knows about! Jeeze, the bordum really does set it! 🙁
Comment by Faye — 21st April 2010 @ 4:36 pm
i.e “Calvin!”
Comment by Faye — 21st April 2010 @ 4:36 pm
This calvin ho is the biggest liars he has cheated many innocent peoples in gpp
Comment by cc — 22nd April 2010 @ 8:33 am
Hi Everyone,
Please refer to the “Comment by Calvin – April 21, 2010 @ 8:24 am “.
I would like to inform those who are reading this forum that the person who posted that message is an imposter.
That person posted my email address and called himself Calvin is a fraught. I, the real Calvin who owns that email address NEVER posted that message. That sick person has been posting all kind of messages in all kinds of forums claiming to Calvin and many others. He has done that in WLD, HYIPgo4Reward, etc…
This person really got a problem, he appears to be person deprived of love and attention thus developing in a sick habit of using other people’s identity. Maybe he got a bad bad childhood. I mean he is really a sick coward. He is only capable of hiding behind someone else’s identity. And he only post in forums where no registration is required – demonstrating a TRUE COWARD. I hope everyone here can post a message to tell this sick coward to go and jump from a tall building or something.
The Real Calvin
Comment by The Real Calvin — 22nd April 2010 @ 12:49 pm
Calvin,
How did they get your email address? You must have cancelled that email as it doesnt work.
Cant you trace the IP number somehow?
So then you also did not post the posting on the other page? You have no inside scoop on anything?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 22nd April 2010 @ 7:20 pm
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK –
The link that you posted isn’t from “some random guy” his name is John Noakes. He runs that forum. He’s another of the same group along with Warren English, Asia Moore, and some others who continually promote scam after scam. It’s the same crap that he does to try to justify every one of the scams that he promotes to his not too bright members. He’s just another bs’er like Wayne McLean and the rest of them.
Comment by UnFinnished — 23rd April 2010 @ 4:09 am
UnFinnished:
That website sounds so legitamite! But its all bullshit huh? These people are shameless.
Thanks for the update.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd April 2010 @ 3:43 pm
Wheres everyone at? Helllllooooooo (hello, hello…)
You sillies got your money and didnt tell the Duck girl?! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 26th April 2010 @ 9:02 pm
lol, I wish girl! Im still here anyway! Until the end!
Comment by Faye — 27th April 2010 @ 8:41 am
Apparently people are recieving cards. Bullshit, there would be some proof of this. IF I ever recieve a card or something of some sort, I would be posting whatever proof I could.
Comment by Faye — 27th April 2010 @ 12:38 pm
What do you want to hear, really ?
If you check this site everyday secretly hoping to one day read about how everybody gets paid, that’s NOT going to happen.
Neither will you read here that GPP admins have been arrested for fraud. No, because they will have been gone away if they haven’t now.
I’m telling you that they will keep the domain up for as long as possible so the website will probably still be there 5 years from now, with update every 3-5 months just to keep people hanging but there will never be any real money coming your way.
Because the only money moving are from members to the scammers and it will never be the other way around.
Comment by Cards — 28th April 2010 @ 8:04 am
Uh oh, the website is down!! DUN DUN DUN! This could be it guys! (Unless my computer is down, someone else try the link, its posted on page 117 of this forum!) LET ME KNOW!
Comment by Faye — 28th April 2010 @ 2:10 pm
Stike that, it mustve been my comp!
Comment by Faye — 28th April 2010 @ 2:52 pm
Yes Cards, thats exactly what I want! lol
I know it more than likely that will not happen, but I get very few surprises in my little life, so it would be nice to one day come on here and find that GPP has paid.
Anyway, have a nice weekend everyone.
And Faye, fix that computer of yours! 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 30th April 2010 @ 5:15 pm
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Comment by Cards — 1st May 2010 @ 1:02 pm
Such
It seems
GPP who disappeared, and no payments
hope that the authorities can catch them
these thieves and miserable, thousands of members are waiting for a payment message after January 8, 2010 and nothing, GPP is deleted from the map.
Comment by Billly — 1st May 2010 @ 6:19 pm
Don’t worry. I’m well connected to GPP admin.
Site temporary downed it should back up in a lillte while. Be patient.
Believe me you will receive your debit card very very soon.
They will not be any payment message.
Calvin Ho
Comment by Calvin Ho — 1st May 2010 @ 7:57 pm
Calvin: Glad to hear that you are well-connected to the GPP Admin. I will be sure to pass this information on to the authorities. I know they would love to talk with you, so they too can become well-connected to the admin of GPP.
Cards coming soon. What a bunch of BS.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd May 2010 @ 7:29 am
Oh shut up eagle. You sound so pathetic. Your not going to report anything. You clearly havent invested so keep your nose out!
Comment by Faye — 2nd May 2010 @ 9:51 am
Faye: TOO Funny. Now how do you know I haven’t reported anything? You don’t. Just flapping your gums again. Might try putting your brain in gear before your mouth in motion. But then I just remembered who I was talking to.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd May 2010 @ 9:10 pm
Calvin
you say that is connected with management of GPP
ask when are the payments?, thousands of members want to know is will they pay or not?
are 100 000 members.
and is a long time, and the anxiety and frustration of the members are real people GPP
should be more communicative and sincere
“GPP has paid or not paid?
also tells you not to play with members.
regards
Comment by Billly — 3rd May 2010 @ 6:56 am
Still going to repeat the obvious… it isn’t going to pay and some ‘calvin’ appearing spouting the opposite doesn’t mean it is any more likely to pay.
Comment by random passer by — 3rd May 2010 @ 9:58 am
Nobody has any proof on either sides. Lets get off our high horses
Comment by Faye — 3rd May 2010 @ 10:27 am
I’m not on my ‘high horse’ I think you have been provided with plenty of evidence it will not pay out- but if you want to carry on believing… fine. Years go by. Years will still go by.
Just how long will it take to really realise the facts behind this?….. I can’t be bothered to list the many reasons this can not work and will not work…. Just one person saying ‘this WILL pay out’ will make people ignore common sense and carry on with false hope. That is why GPP is still going on…. Stella et al laughing all the way to their hard earned cash.
Comment by random passer by — 3rd May 2010 @ 7:39 pm
Why do u still come to these forums then? Have u invested?! It may well be a scam,probably is but you or nobody else have provided us with any hard evidence. And that is exactly why me and everybody else who have invested check these sites. Looking doubtful but hopefull! If u havent invested,piss off! Your so adamant its fake, your 100% its a scam, why do u come on here. Tell me. Just to dash peoples hopes. Must be!
Comment by Faye — 3rd May 2010 @ 7:49 pm
Faye: Still putting your mouth in motion before your brain in gear I see. What you don’t get is we don’t have to provide any hard-core “Proof GPP is real,” GPP does. They are the ones taking your money.
Now having said that, we have provided so much ‘Proof’ in this thread this is a scam that anyone with an IQ above a potted plant knows it is a scam.
Destorying hope? Favorite line from a scammer/shill. Since when is the truth destroying hope? We live in the real world, not fantasy land like you.
As has been shown here thousands of times, this is financially impossible, mathematically impossible, and that was just by GPP in their updates. We, on the other hand, have also provided thousands of examples as to why this is a scam, always has been a scam, and will never be anything but a scam.
GPP has provided nothing to prove they are real. But here’s what you do: Give GPP a call. Opps, can’t do that no phone number. So send them a fax. Opps, can’t do that no fax number. Well, just send them a letter. Opps, can’t do that no address. You don’t even know where they are, now do you? I’d tell you to go to their website, but it is down more than it is up. Sounds like a real legitimate organization to me. NOT!
But keep on flapping your gums, because all you are doing is showing how ignorant you really are, and that you are nothing more than a shill for GPP. By the way, we already knew you were a shill, we are just glad you have proven it for all the others to see.
GPP real? Stop it, my sides are hurting I am laughing so hard.
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd May 2010 @ 8:16 pm
Ok fine. Agree to disagree at this point as this could go on and on!! But it still doesnt explain why you continue to carry on with this forum because if i was u or had your opinion i wouldnt be bothering. Unless u have indeed invested and u have this spark of hope that it will work. And i have never claimed its going to work!
Comment by Faye — 3rd May 2010 @ 9:07 pm
What’s it to you that I post? Just ignore my posts. This is a public forum, and everyone has a right to post. It does not mean any of us have to believe what they post.
There are so many new people who can still become a victim of this scam, and that is why I continue to post the warnings; not that I need to explain my reasons to you.
The fact you won’t accept any information this is a scam is your problem. But if you think for one moment that I am going to let people be convinced this is real when it is not, you are sadly mistaken. I can’t keep them from buying a unit, but I can sure warn them if they do they will lose their money. The only ones who are “making” any money from this are the scammers. They are laughing all the way to the bank at how gullible you, and all the others are who bought their lies.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th May 2010 @ 12:54 am
“Potted plant” lol!! You crack me up. Whats a “shill”?
Remember folks, opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one. doesnt mean its right, doesnt mean its wrong.
I totally understand what your saying Faye, why bother coming on here if you dont have at least a tiny ounce of hope. And I also understand where Eagle is coming from. Gotta warn people, then the rest is up to them. Fair is fair, people have to hear the unpleasant things too.
(Im so like Switzerland, totally neutral arent I!?) 🙂
have a pleasant evening ya-all.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 4th May 2010 @ 1:45 am
“What’s it to you that I post? Just ignore my posts.”
Eagle, is this your equivallent to sticking your tongue out?! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 4th May 2010 @ 1:47 am
Your completely right, chucking your toys out? If its none of my business why u post why go into massive detail why u do? Get a life.
Comment by Faye — 4th May 2010 @ 8:01 am
Yes, but Faye- you come across as if you think this will work every time someone comes across who says it will work.
I check this because I find it intriguing. GPP have played the psychology game very well and they have such a lot of blind support despite all of the failed deadlines, changes in policy and rubbish they spout.
If it did work, great, my friend invested years ago and it would help him get a property which he is trying to sort out at the moment.
Comment by random passer by — 4th May 2010 @ 8:26 am
And please do not tell me where I can post, certainly do not swear as it makes you look very ignorant. It is always the loser in the argument that resorts to swearing.
As for no proof…. well, there has been massive amounts of it… but it’s your money…. If I were you, I’d get on with life and work and make money that way- GPP will not make you rich…. and as for saying it’s hopeful… surely with every passing YEAR it gets less hopeful… HA!?
will you still be here in 4 years time hoping?
If you want a forum where people will agree with you… go to Judahlion…. My HONEST OPINION (and I know a good amount about financial services) it WON’T PAY….
I will still be here till this ends.. I hope more people do not lose their money, but they will I am sure… people are scammmed every day.
Comment by random passer by — 4th May 2010 @ 8:33 am
I dont think I swore, perhaps our definitions of swearing are a lot different. I’m not one of these people who come to these forums for a sad little argument, we both have different views, leave it there.
Comment by Faye — 4th May 2010 @ 8:55 am
And im certainly not going to argue with someone about something I dont completely believe in! I hate that people are dashing peoples hopes with this. Let it be, I think you’ve all said enough to let people do their own due dilligence.Atleast until there is another update, IF.
Comment by Faye — 4th May 2010 @ 8:59 am
Lies, Lies and Lies! I don’t know!
According to Wayne Mclean talkshoe “GPP”:-
– things are is happening “Packages†has been send/members in the United State and globally are receiving it
– the “‘Packages†contains XYG Card/gpp2 invitation and NDA
– members reported in Euro “packages” received and funds activated
– as long as the gpp window site remained open you can still purchase more AP. My service to you is $25 per policy
– he has no connection to any RPP program and he doesn’t work for them
Your comments please!
Comment by Jay — 4th May 2010 @ 3:59 pm
Face the facts – No argument!
Comment by Jay — 4th May 2010 @ 4:02 pm
Faye: You are too funny. We are not dashing people’s “hope.” We are dashing people’s “False Hope.” You can deal with fantasy all you want, but we deal with reality.
So according to you, all of us who have spoken out against GPP should just let people continue believing this is true, thus having false hope, and then when people realize they are gone, which they are, then it is OK for their “hope” to be dashed. What a tool, and a shill for this scam.
Would yoy like some cheese with your whine?
Comment by EagleOne — 4th May 2010 @ 8:25 pm
Im glad my words amuse u! Its a bore to read your posts now. Ive ended this hope. The word fantasy and my name shouldnt be used in the same sentence. Bring me some fors and against like everyone else on this forum.
Comment by Faye — 4th May 2010 @ 11:32 pm
Faye: Already have hundreds of times right here on this blog. Not worth repeating myself, but just once I would love for one of the shills/promoter’s for GPP to come and present facts on how they can do it. All we hear is the naysayers have to “prove” their statements, but somehow they are exempt from doing so. Besides it is up to GPP to prove they are real. They can’t, you can’t and none of the shills/promoter’s can either.
You claim you don’t completely believe in GPP, but yet here you are defending it. But I do love your faux sanctimonious indignation anyone would dare criticize or debunk GPP that was not a part of GPP.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th May 2010 @ 1:36 am
Im not defending anything, Im simply letting people know that if they want to hope then they can. If they want to loose a measly £30 to GPP for this “investment” then they can, like I did. You obviously cant log on to GPP so I will let you know when/IF there is an update. In the meantime, check out some of the other forums. Dont get me wrong, I would love for this to be real but I’m also not nieve.
Comment by Faye — 5th May 2010 @ 1:56 pm
Oh My Effin God! My friend got paid!!! Halelujah!
Just kidding, she didnt get shit.
Jay,
I have not heard anything like that about packages, but if you have some proof someone actually got something other than hear say, please do let us know!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 5th May 2010 @ 8:09 pm
I’m a member since March 2006 with 9 AP. In total I have 10 policies in hand and I involved no one. GPP “Mysterious packages†continued to circulate behind the private post and community talk shows.
Community talk shows continued to broadcast these unfounded rumors. Some continued to broadcast someone somewhere in the United State had received their “packagesâ€!
I am from Boston – I received nothing so I’ve nothing to offer
The “mysterious packages†rumors were broadcasted since last June 2009 and yet no proof was found.
The facts remained – “HIGHLY SUSPICIOUSâ€
Comment by Jay — 6th May 2010 @ 7:15 am
You little prankster Duck. My heart stopped just on reading the start of your post haha! Im confused, packages. Only in America!
Comment by Faye — 6th May 2010 @ 8:39 am
It is comforting to hear the GPP rumors up again.
However nothing has changed as far as we are concerned. So we continue to keep our fingers etc., crossed.
Comment by Jay — 6th May 2010 @ 5:20 pm
Sorry Faye! Wanted to break up the tention.
Thank you Jay for the update. Im sorry that no one really has gotten anything as of yet.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 7th May 2010 @ 12:49 am
Thought you should know: Wayne Mclean has never been right about any program yet; just like Warren, the pimp scamalot chico/Lennie, Judahlion, Lori, Estelle, Jonathan Wright, and themco/Terry, to name just a few.
Comment by Calvin Ho — 7th May 2010 @ 4:35 pm
Themco? Didnt know they were involved. I thought that they post when ever they hear anything?
Comment by Faye — 7th May 2010 @ 5:10 pm
Hello
I’m still confused if
“GPP is real or scam?
If GPP is then scam
because this online for over 4 years
and neither the FBI, Interpol or they can close the website or servers.
Comment by Billly — 7th May 2010 @ 6:23 pm
Don’t trust anything this man Calvin “[expletive removed]” Ho says he’s a pathological liar. He is lying about GPP because he makes a lot of money by buying policies in GPP (and other online scams) for people and charging them an enormous fee per contract. Trust nothing Calvin “[expletive removed]” Ho says, he lies about everything. He should be prosecuted as an accessory to fraud.
Comment by Noor — 7th May 2010 @ 7:13 pm
WAYNE MCLEAN IS A [expletive removed] AND A SCAM ENABLER
“He is simply relaying information he has received – it is up to you to determine how accurate this is and keep tabs on things as these programs progress. So take some responsibility yourselves and determine your own future instead of always finding someone else to blame.” No ! Wayne “[expletive removed]” McLean is making up stories and continually lying to people to make money out of other people by promoting programs he knows to be scams.
Every program Wayne “[expletive removed]” McLean promotes is a scam.
GPP: no one has received any package, Wayne is lying.
Imperia Invest: No one has received a debit card, Wayne is lying. HCI25 is a well proven scam fictitious New York meeting, false photos etc. Do not believe anything this scum bag says !
If Wayne “[expletive removed]” McLean was a responsible individual, he would advise people not to buy contracts in programs which have proven to be scams GPP, WPP, HCI25, etc. He should take responsibility for HIS actions, he is basically a parasite.
Do not trust anything Wayne “[expletive removed]” McLean says, he lies about everything.
Comment by Endo — 7th May 2010 @ 7:20 pm
Hello Endo,
You are correct about no one receiving packages from GPP, Wayne is lying about GPP because he makes a lot of money by buying policies in GPP (and other online scams) for people and charging them an enormous fee per contract. He knows that all the programs he promotes are scams. Trust nothing Wayne says, he lies about everything. He has no contacts with the admins of these scams, he knows no more than any other member
Comment by George — 7th May 2010 @ 7:26 pm
Billy:
It is a complex answer to your question. First, it makes no difference how long GPP has been running. To file a complaint with the FBI or Interpol, there has to be a victim. Since GPP keeps delaying the payment date, technically there are no victims yet. Until GPP clearly folds, and no payments are made (which there won’t be), there are no victims.
Then it will take everyone to file a complaint for the dollar amount to be of a significant value and number of poeple filing a complaint before the FBI or Interpol will act. And even then there is no guarantee they will act. It depends on if they have higher priorities to pursue than GPP.
Having said all that, it does not mean the authorities have not been informed of GPP being a scam, the magnitude of the scam worldwide, and information provided to them to act when GPP does disappear from the net. The Finn’s have been investigating this for the past year and a half, and from reports they are making significant progress. It is my understanding they are only looking into the Finn’s who were involved, not promoter’s/players in other countries. But it doesn’t mean they will not report those other people/player’s to other law enforcement agencies for them to handle. As to the other law enforcement agencies, they will not reveal if any investigation is underway or not.
It may end up that nothing is done against the people behind GPP because not enough people will file a complaint with their proper authorities; or the dollar amount warrants an investigation. But the bottom line is there has to be victims before the authorities can act.
It is one reason why GPP kept the amount of each member so low. They knew the amount lost would not meet the threshold for the authorities to take any action. The cost of the investigation would far outweigh a loss of $30-$50 per person.
While the authorities may not do anything criminally against GPP, anyone who was encouraged to join GPP can sue the person who enticed them to join the scam in a civil lawsuit. Whether they do or not is up to them, and remains to be seen.
There is far more to this than I have posted here, as it is a very complicated issue. Every point I have made has at least 8-10 other points I did not make. I hope what little I have posted has helped.
Comment by EagleOne — 7th May 2010 @ 8:21 pm
Eaglone
My opinion is that if GPP is retracing the payments, then there is evidence of GPP scam, I’m not saying that GPP is a scam, but all indications
I guess that complaints delay of members is natural, and the authorities, Interpol and the FBI should have investigated more thoroughly GPP, and give a statement, may be unable to punish GPP, but the higher police authorities in the United States should do an investigation.
Regards
Toni
Comment by Billly — 7th May 2010 @ 11:27 pm
Toni:
GPP has never been anything but a scam. There is no financial way this can be done, it is nathematical impossible to be done, and there are no insurance company or group of companies in the world that would do this deal. The top 100 banks combined could not pay out this much “CASH” as this requires. Now there are far more reasons why this is a scam and can’t be done.
I am not saying the FBI or Interpol is not looking into GPP, but until they have ‘victims;’ or they disappear (or at least try to) they can’t act.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th May 2010 @ 12:01 am
This letter is addressed to all members of the GPP who are beginning to feel considerable doubt if not total lack of trust in the viability of this project.
It is now necessary to find alternatives to the GPP forums in which all criticism is forbidden. It’s time to think about what we can do all united to give an ultimatum to GPP.
We have many reasons to doubt the actions of this Plan. For instance :
When the Plan was released, we assume, it had been thoroughly viewed and conceived step by step. The “partners” had already made the necessary contacts with banks, individuals and institutions. It was only a matter of launching the enterprise of getting 100,000 people convinced of its authenticity.
Following the evolution of the plan over the past 3 years, we can remember all the time it has taken to take one step at the time. Let’s see… The “Banking solutionâ€.
Before the Plan was launched, was it not planned?
At first it was said that the solution was for all those who, to receive a large amount of money in their country, would cause them tax and other problems. It turns out that many said they would not or did not need this solution and that they could receive their money without problem.
The GPP reaction to this was a negative one. We were all “in the same boat” and, therefore, we should all participate in this solution.
This was then followed by protests coming from those who refused to give their personal documents. Apparently this issue was solved.
BUT ONLY THIS ISSUE TOOK MORE THAN ONE YEAR TO BE SOLVED.
We all hoped of course that, once the last member got convinced about sending his/her documents, there would be no objection to receive the money.
We were wrong. We forgot that this enterprise has proven to be worse than that of Ulysses.
After the “bank resolution” GPP needed that the 100,000 members (exact figure) sent their personal documents.
ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF OR MORE, WAITING.
We all knew that there were about 250,000 extra policies available for purchase. Many people asked “Stella” if the policies that have not been sold would be an obstacle to the expected payment, but “Stella” always said that both things had nothing to do, that the policies was somehow “apart”.
Finally, in a moment when almost nobody expected it, the announcement of the 100.000 members = 100.000 documents received, was given. ALLHELLUYA!
The magic figure has been achieved!
NOW WE WILL WAIT 2 OR 3 MONTHS MORE but No problem! We Made it!
But this was to forget again that we are in Ulysse’s boat.
We had been working all this time to convince people to join some else’s enterprise.
THIS TIME GPP WAITS FOUR LONG MONTHS TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE NEED NOW TO EXHAUST ALL THE REMAINING POLICIES.
Why not tell us from the beginning and maybe we would have saved time … ?
But no ..That would have been too easy. Because the game is that while they are “willing to pay” nobody can prosecute them for fraud or anything. IT IS WE WHO ARE FAILING because we do not buy quick enough their product, not them.
Finally, this document is intended for those unwilling to seat back for another10 years waiting for the GPP to spend the fortune made through us and start another program under another name.
WE NEED 100,000 MEMBERS TO SEND THEIR COMPLAINS TODAY TO :
http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx
THANKS!
Comment by IC3 — 9th May 2010 @ 5:23 pm
Just read the post for Calvin Hoe, sounds to me like a Hoe for GPP
Comment by Mred — 10th May 2010 @ 3:33 am
Maybe GPP is a mining company, they get the money, we get the shaft
Comment by Mred — 10th May 2010 @ 3:37 am
Mred: That was FUNNY! and TRUE.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th May 2010 @ 10:14 pm
Actually you need to file a complaint with: http://www.stopfraud.gov.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th May 2010 @ 10:15 pm
EagleOne and you know well
http://www.stopfraud.gov.
May file a complaint and to inform members of GPP 100000
That GPP may be a possible global fraud.
Many Members need to know where is GPP?
Is it legal or global fraud?
Is it true that working with the Insurance Company and Bank or all lies?
Why so long without communicating with members from the January 8, 2010?, Silence
GPP members need to advance, and should pay 100 million members, it’s time and they do not, many delays and excuses, always have a new excuse to extend over all this.
All these doubts and questions could you please inform
EagleOne
to http://www.stopfraud.gov.
, Please do so, thousands of members will thank you, and be done with this,
We know nothing of GPP, where is?, In what country registered?, All is uncertainty.
Please make this complaint to http://www.stopfraud.gov.
Hopefully http://www.stopfraud.gov. help us expose all GPP,
, MEMBER OF THE 100 000 GPP, and should be paid but have not received a single euro from GPP.
All this trouble I hope you tell http://www.stopfraud.gov.
Best regards
Billy
Comment by Billly — 11th May 2010 @ 1:15 am
Quick request:
Please can commenters refrain from the use of swear words where possible? I had to edit a load of comments yesterday which contained the “C” word.
I think we are an articulate lot and don’t need to use graphic words like that to get our points across.
Thanks
Comment by Ben — 11th May 2010 @ 8:01 am
In theory (and I know it’s a scam and won’t payout) but what would happen to all of those people who go over the upper pay out limit in the five years since they invested? All the people who HAVE changed their name or moved house?)
Actually, not sure why I am asking as I know there are no answers!
Comment by random passer by — 11th May 2010 @ 8:20 am
Lol…please refrain from swearing! Naughty boys!
Comment by Faye — 11th May 2010 @ 9:05 am
This low life conman Calvin Ho must be punished. Thousand has been cheated by him in the GPP and other on line scam program. He’s the biggest liar in Sri Petaling.
Comment by Noor — 11th May 2010 @ 9:18 am
Sounds to me like Calvin Ho is against GPP, stemming from comment number 2721 at the bottom of the page? Did I miss something?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 11th May 2010 @ 7:27 pm
Hello
someone has been investigated or found out
Where is a registered Global Pension Plan?
If you have any information to testing, please post it, it is important for members to make their complaints.
Comment by Billly — 12th May 2010 @ 2:18 am
would it be possible for GPP to be registered in several countries? ie several people behind GPP located in different places so it makes it harder to trace?
I am fascinated about how they can get away with it, and how much longer it could go on for.
Comment by random passer by — 12th May 2010 @ 8:19 am
The end is near
Comment by Faye — 12th May 2010 @ 8:48 am
Faye: do you mean 2012 ? 🙂
Comment by P — 12th May 2010 @ 9:19 am
Lol, Yeah I suppose I do. I suppose Im getting a bit side tracked heehee!
Comment by Faye — 12th May 2010 @ 10:04 am
Also, Im a secret FBI Agent and I have been monitoring this site for some time now undercover and I can now confirm that the GPP offenders have been under questioning for 3 months now. More updates later
Comment by Faye — 12th May 2010 @ 10:06 am
Faye is our very own Secret Squirrel! I had no idea?! lol
And I will bet you that even with dooms day a’comin in 2012, the only things that will be left over after the “end”, will be cockroaches and effin GPP! HA!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 12th May 2010 @ 3:23 pm
HAHAHA! I guarantee they’ll still be making posts after D-DAY.
Something like…
Dear Members,
Thank you for your patience during this terrible time. Just thought we’d drop you a quick note to the last survivers who got on that massive ARK that the government secretly built in China. Obviously we have billions of your dosh and bought myself, stella and whoever else runs this GPP stuff a ticket onto the ark. We were going to pay you out but due to unforeseen circumstances,and the world ending… we can not. Apologies. Please stand by for your next update where we will offering other policies. We SWEAR on STELLAS life that we were going to pay you but all this baloney happened…sorry.
Regards
GPP.
P.s Wishing you a happy YEAR ONE!
Comment by Faye — 12th May 2010 @ 3:31 pm
Year one! Your funny. Wont they be surprised when a bunch of us start swimming after the Ark?! Wheeerrees ouuurr moneeeeeeeeeyyyy? Yoooouuuuu baaaastaaaards??!!!! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 13th May 2010 @ 12:54 am
They’ll be like, unfortunatly, the man whos got your cards is dead and he had all the details on him. haha! ohhhh dear getting carries away
Comment by Faye — 13th May 2010 @ 8:56 am
I don’t think there will be another update. I think they have finally disappeared. They finally ran out of excuses as to why payment was delayed again. So better to run, than try to pull the wool over everyone’s eyes one more time. Besides, this died a long, long time ago. It is just now the stink got so bad people can now realize it is over.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th May 2010 @ 10:55 pm
Very colorful EO!
I was on that other site earlier, and cut and pasted a few paragraphs from wikipedia about GPP and how its a scam, along with all the other RPP’s, and put it on the website, that should ruffle a few feathers! They get so testy about negative stuff, it amuses me-sorry, pms! lol But I was nice and informed the masses that I don’t mean to burst anyone’s “bubble” as they put it, just posting some info that they may find interesting.
Its usually not this long that they are silent right? You may be right about them disappearing for good- until they come up with a new name and new scam, if they havent already done so- wait, they did, didnt they?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 18th May 2010 @ 1:14 am
If there is ever a message I want to give GPP then it this.
“We are in the worse economic crisis of all time, many members are not saying how much they hurting financially but they are. You cannot go on breaking promises and expect members to have the same brand of confidence in you. If you are having problems then tell us. If every thing is fine then tell us. I have recently been made unemployed like many others, trying to find work in a fast dwindling economy. For me it has reached a stage where I have a just reason to gravitate towards negative thinking, my life has gone for the worst. At this point, if you where to give us a delivery date, we would be cynical based your on past performance. But we will listen and we will expect. Be professional. Talk to usâ€
Comment by Billy — 18th May 2010 @ 8:56 am
GPP – RIP – Gone but not forgotten
Comment by Faye — 18th May 2010 @ 9:45 am
“You cannot go on breaking promises and expect members to have the same brand of confidence in you.”
Well, they CAN and they ARE DOING IT. Why ? Because there never was 100 billion dollars sitting somewhere waiting to be distributed. Waiting for that, is CRAZY.
Comment by Cards — 18th May 2010 @ 11:16 am
Dont get it
Comment by Faye — 18th May 2010 @ 12:08 pm
http://www.global-final-step.net/members/secret/0000_sjdnxce9r_0000/index.php
Comment by Faye — 19th May 2010 @ 10:54 am
Faye, I can not log in! Im not a member, what does it say? Anything?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 19th May 2010 @ 5:14 pm
Not sure what the point was giving the URL, but there is no new update on the forum.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th May 2010 @ 5:29 pm
Sorry guys only put link up for my puposes so I can access it easier! No updates. What a surprise!!
Comment by Faye — 20th May 2010 @ 8:03 am
LIKE A DUCK
If you’re not a member why are you here?? You are not qualify to comment about GPP!
Faye
What’s the point of giving the URL? Showing off you know more then others?
You guys are made me sick …..if you don’t know any please zip your big mouth…..
Comment by Calvin Ho — 20th May 2010 @ 10:59 am
And who the hell do you think you are. The only reason I posted that link, not like it has ANYTHING to do with you is so I dont have to look it up on page 117 everytime I come on this forum. You have no involvement in what I do whatsoever. If you wanna come onto an English speaking website try learning to write it first.
Comment by Faye — 20th May 2010 @ 11:51 am
And why is me posting the URL showing off? Your just effing weird MATE!! Go back to your hole! Dont piss off the English!
Comment by Faye — 20th May 2010 @ 11:53 am
Calvin
This is an OPEN forum ANYONE can post: member or not…. people who are INTERESTED in GPP are quite free to post.. and if you don’t like it… Go to another forum, anyone is welcome to share their opinion or knowledge even if they do not belong. Surely, if you think it will pay out it would be nice to have sceptics here to gloat to when it pays out.
And why on earth has posting a link got anything to do with showing off? Rubbish! Faye was trying to share information…. which you DO NOT appear to be doing. Hey ho,
Comment by random passer by — 20th May 2010 @ 12:11 pm
Good morning All! Opinions are great arent they? LOL
Oh Calvin, are you ready for me now?!
Sweety, Im more than qualified. But thanks for Your opinion. Ive gone into detail here on this forum several times since Feb 2008, and I do hate repeating myself to newbys, but how else will you know? So since you are not my psychic friend, I will tell ya my story…
My friend is a member, and she involved me directly with this scam. I was her computer access to her upline con artist (that piece of shit is incidentally in another country now “selling” his little pea brain out), and I have been researching this GPP thing for her because she has absolutley no computer access. In addition to her not having computer access, she is a 54 year old single mother, on disability, no car, cronically ill, and she desperatley needs money. She had hoped (like everyone) that GPP didnt turn out to be shisters, but unfortunatley it does seems that way. So to me, its not that you have lost $30.00 dollars, or 25.00 Euro, its MUCH BIGGER than that. Its very personal to me. They are dream stealers, thiefs, and liars.
So, your smug, snooty, hostile, punk-ass behavior is unwelcome.
If you are a GPP supporter, then Outstanding! Keep praising them, defend what you believe in, but a few naysayers shouldnt make you angry, unless of course, you know deep down that we are correct and that pisses you off?
And how is posting a URL showing off? How old are you? 15?! Very immature! Dont You have that URL? All of you members should! I used to until I got sick and tired of playing the jumping from website to website game, and the stupid “busy” work they kept making us do. Ridiculous.
Anyway Calvin, do I want it to pay out? Yes, for everyone’s sake. Do I think it will pay out? No, not from what GPP has shown everyone.
So, since opinions are like assholes, that was mine.
We welcome intelligent conversation here (well, for the most part! ha ha). If you are a chearleader for GPP, then come prepared with something other than blind faith to back up your belief, us naysers have GPP’s own words that make us feel the way we do! They are our back up, whats your?
And another thing, on another website (hyip.go4reward.com/tag/global-pension-plan), someone was claiming that “packages” were being mailed out to members. Oh really?! If you scroll up to the first postings, you will see that someone claimed the same thing in the begining of 2009, did you get yours? Im gonna go out on a limb and say no, you didnt, cuz if you did, you wouldnt be here acting all pissy and frustrated!
Long story short, if you dont like other peoples opinions, then dont go around giving us yours!
Oh, and Kiss My lilly white German-American ass little boy!
Ok, Im done now, wow, I feel good, after sex good! LOL
Have a nice day everyone.
Man, now I feel kinda guilty for calling you names. Im sorry! Im not gonna remove it cuz you made me mad, but sorry anyway! Im normally a very nice person.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 20th May 2010 @ 4:44 pm
“IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK”
NICE COMMENT “HIGH FIVE”
Comment by MARCO — 20th May 2010 @ 6:22 pm
“Man, now I feel kinda guilty for calling you names. Im sorry! Im not gonna remove it cuz you made me mad”
hahahahaha love it!! You’re so funny! Another high five for you!!
Comment by Faye — 20th May 2010 @ 8:47 pm
Faye: Just add it to your favorites, and you won’t have to keep looking it up.
Comment by EagleOne — 21st May 2010 @ 8:52 am
Nice comment well put together ,Nice to read
HIGH FIVE
Comment by unknown — 21st May 2010 @ 4:08 pm
Thanks guys.
I wonder if he has come back to check on all of the replies, do you think he did?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 21st May 2010 @ 6:22 pm
Since this update, there hasn’t been any communication from the admin of GPP, nor will there be. All of this was smoke and mirrors. As it has been said, and proven, thousands of times since this started, there is no financial, insurance, mathematical, or economic way this could be done; and that was before the global economic crisis. It certainly cannot be done in this economic global crisis. It is sad that so many cannot grasp this and realize GPP was a scam from day one.
But for those of you who still think this might happen, ask yourself this question: Where have all the people gone who were on all the forums “promoting” GPP as real, would happen, and even were guaranteeing it would happen in their comments? Now do you really think if this was real, they would all be gone except for 2 or 3 still trying to pimp this dead horse? And even they don’t address GPP, they just attack those who post saying it is a scam. You can ‘hope’ all you want, but it is not going to change the fact your money is gone, there will never be any payment, and the perps are laughing at how much money they were able to steal from so many that were so gullible. Truly sad.
Comment by Bil — 21st May 2010 @ 7:47 pm
yeah, he would have checked I think…
Comment by random passer by — 21st May 2010 @ 8:03 pm
Good idea but I access it on my iPhone work comp n others. That’s how obsessed I am! Heehee. Calvin is a hoe would definately come back to check!! You scared him away!!
Comment by Faye — 21st May 2010 @ 10:24 pm
P.s are u married? Bet your hubby right get it in the ear if he even farts lol xx
Comment by Faye — 21st May 2010 @ 10:26 pm
Bil, do you always take credit for someone else’s post? You might want to credit the person who said it, instead of making people think it was your own comments; even if you agree with them.
Comment by EagleOne — 22nd May 2010 @ 1:05 am
Stella/Admin/whoever always renews their domain to make 3-4 updates in a year. And they always forgot to renew the domain in time because they are too busi enjoying the free cash you sent them.
But this year is different. They renewed back in January, made a single update and were gone. Elvis has left the building, ladies.
The domain still lives until January 2011 where it will likely disappear for good.
So what you are waiting for is actually for nothing as there won’t be anything until January 2011 when it will all be gone.
Oh, maybe one update in between telling how many policies still have to be sold.
Reality bites but hey, at least it’s the truth. Falso hopes and denials are nice of course, but in the end they will DEVASTATE you.
Comment by Cards — 22nd May 2010 @ 3:19 am
Domain name: GLOBAL-FINAL-STEP.NET
Registrant Contact:
Anonymousspeech LLC
Creation date: 01 Jan 2010 02:11:34
Expiration date: 01 Jan 2011 02:11:34
Comment by Cards — 22nd May 2010 @ 3:20 am
Nope, not married, just got out of a 13 year relationship, and your right, he got it alright, thats why were not together anymore! lol
So, question: How does one go about checking on a domain name and such? Is it a special program that you buy? Or can you just go on the internet and check that out somewhere? Im curious….
Who did Bil steal that update passage from EO? Your funny, calling him out, how did you know? Was it yours? lol
I would have liked to hear what Calvin Hoe had to say if he came back. No balls, I hate that! I guess he doesnt actually stand up for what he believes in (unless of course he really didnt come back)
And Awww, if GPP is really gone, what will we do now?? 🙁 Will have to start our own blog, the GPP survivors club so we can still chat…(Im a dork, I know this!)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 22nd May 2010 @ 2:47 pm
I totally agree with the gpp survivors club!! Heehee! Cards how did u get that info??
Comment by Faye — 22nd May 2010 @ 5:10 pm
LOL, we’ll have to think of our own money making idea and make ourselves rich that way.
Starting maternity leave soon so will have plenty of time to get some of the groundwork done.. any ideas?
Comment by random passer by — 22nd May 2010 @ 5:22 pm
Loads, have u got the heart??? Yeeeeeesss course I have!! Where do these ppl start!! So hot in england so I will chill in the back garden n think up some scams !!
Comment by Faye — 22nd May 2010 @ 6:32 pm
Congrats Random! What are we having? Do you know?
Faye! Really?! Scams? Hmmmm,lets see, if I had no morals at all…HAITI comes to mind! Theres one for ya! lol OOOOO, how about here in the US, Arizona’s racial profiling law, we can offer amnesty to illegals in the US.
Gosh, if only I had no heart….like the people with GPP.
What kind of garden do you have Faye?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 22nd May 2010 @ 9:06 pm
Random, are you gonna name it Stella if its a girl?! HA!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 22nd May 2010 @ 9:32 pm
LOL, hadn’t thought about Stella for a name…Calvin sounding pretty good too…
Not sure what I’m having, decided to leave it as a suprise!
I wish we had a way of somehow scamming the GPP leaders
Comment by random passer by — 23rd May 2010 @ 6:03 pm
Ya, Im with ya there, I’d love to run a scam on them! But can you just imagine all the people you have to go thru to get to the tippy top? You’d have to ask your upline, who their upline is and then their upline, and so on …. millions of people between us and them! No wonder at all why IC3 and Interpol and such have a hard time ending these scams.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th May 2010 @ 3:58 pm
What is Interpool and IC3?
Comment by Faye — 24th May 2010 @ 4:13 pm
IC3 is the internet crime unit with the FBI, where you can go and complain about online scams, and interpol is the International Crime Police Unit. But ICPU sounds too much like Ickypoo, so they are called Interpol (kidding! International Police= interpol) Sounds very James Bond-ish.
My goodness its hot out here today! I need a cool drink (Margaritas anyone?)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th May 2010 @ 7:21 pm
Yes. What are you waiting for? Go ahead and report.
“What is Interpool and IC3?” ha …ha… you don’t know!!! Go ask your mother. Ha ……………….ha ……..
Comment by Calvin Ho — 24th May 2010 @ 7:47 pm
Calvin hoe you really are a sad pathetic little tit aren’t u! I bet you a little boy aren’t u? Prob in your teens! For your information hoe in England we don’t have anything like the FBI or organisations like other countries have but I wouldn’t expect you to have any sort of geographical knowledge seeing as your a childish twat!!! Now Fu*k off cuz nobody wants u on this forum!!
Comment by Faye — 24th May 2010 @ 8:52 pm
Old news, Cal, they have been reported on several times. The people at the top of GPP are as hard to find as the debit cards they sent out! Still waiting for yours huh?! Pitty.
Speaking of mothers, are you sure you have permission from yours to use the computer Calvin?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th May 2010 @ 10:27 pm
Dont let that little Schmo get to you Faye! 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th May 2010 @ 10:58 pm
Calvin… do you not have any homework to do?
Run along and play like a good little boy.
(naughty step for you if you carry on like this).
Comment by random passer by — 25th May 2010 @ 8:10 am
Is it just me or does anyone else notice how much Calvin sounds like a “Ho.”
Comment by EagleOne — 26th May 2010 @ 1:09 am
I hope your not being sexest to the ladies EO
Comment by Faye — 26th May 2010 @ 9:04 am
If you guys have more BS just print it here..I’ll read it
Faye, Mine Your Language
The truth shall make you free, but first it shall make you angry
Comment by Calvin Ho — 26th May 2010 @ 5:29 pm
Well said Cal. That is why you are an angry person, because the truth has set in. Its okay, youll be alright! Just do more research the next time before you give someone your money.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 26th May 2010 @ 7:48 pm
(((Calvin)))
Tell us all about your anger. We can help.
Comment by random passer by — 26th May 2010 @ 9:45 pm
YAWN!!!
Comment by Faye — 27th May 2010 @ 3:48 pm
Faye, are we keeping you up too late, a lack of oxygen to the brain, or just bored?
Comment by EagleOne — 28th May 2010 @ 9:16 pm
Bored of calvins “bs”
Comment by Faye — 28th May 2010 @ 10:31 pm
True, but he is good for a hearty laugh.
Comment by EagleOne — 29th May 2010 @ 6:33 am
Bad apples!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Calvin Ho — 29th May 2010 @ 4:16 pm
we do need some entertainment on here but, sadly, Calvin isn’t intelligent enough to provide it.
Comment by random passer by — 29th May 2010 @ 6:13 pm
Bad apples?! LOL Okay sparky, its us, were bad…
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th May 2010 @ 9:46 pm
We are the “bad apples”, not GPP! Thats hillarious. Did you get your “package” yet??? Nope? thats what I thought…..you wouldnt waste your time here if you did…..call those higher ups calvin, ask them where you package is… oh, you dont actually have a phone number to call other than your little fish upline. bummer. Gosh, tell me Im wrong, please Calvin, I want to be wrong. Tell me you got cash in the mail….tell me something other than stupidity, tell me something! or go away. If you have nothing to bring to the table, then fuck off. your a waste of time. Do you have something to bring to the table, dork? Lets hear it. Show us we are wrong, wipe it in our faces….if you can. my bet is YOU CANT.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th May 2010 @ 9:53 pm
Meow!! Haha love it. You my dear are a rotten apple!!
Comment by Faye — 29th May 2010 @ 10:24 pm
Hey now! Too catty? Sorry! ha ha ha had a couple of shots….
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th May 2010 @ 10:37 pm
I’m nor here to enertain you and I cannot post in the open forum. I can provide ……… “See and you shall believe!” ……………. if you’re a member.
Comment by Calvin Ho — 30th May 2010 @ 3:02 pm
Well u r very entertaining!!
Comment by Faye — 30th May 2010 @ 4:35 pm
Calvin
You really ARE a bit of a prick!
Comment by random passer by — 30th May 2010 @ 4:59 pm
Calvin, do not entertain these “wolves”..why are you posting here, what is your quest ? talk to your friends instead. These people here, do not need to know anything.
Comment by P — 30th May 2010 @ 9:26 pm
He is posting here because he can, anyone can, the more the merrier,and bring your different beliefs, that’s what forums are for.
I don’t know of a website that is 100% for GPP. Wouldn’t be much of conversations in an all for GPP forum: Did you get paid yet? NO? Ya, me either. But I heard in some country other than my own people got their debit cards….? Snoozeville.
If your in the USA, then Germany got theirs, if you are in Germany, then Italy got theirs, and so on. LOL Same rumors as in 2009 and before.
Anyway, must hop in the pool now! TTFN (Aaaaaooooooo-wolf talk)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 31st May 2010 @ 12:35 am
I wonder if P = Calvin?
Comment by random passer by — 31st May 2010 @ 11:11 am
Your probably right Random!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 31st May 2010 @ 9:49 pm
Iwas just wondering if P and Calvin were a stand-up team? If so, they need a lot of work on their act. But I do love we don’t know what we are talking about, but they have this super secret inside information and knowledge about GPP. What tools. This horse died a long time ago. Most people know to dismount when the horse has died. P and Calvin think the horse is just resting. Too funny.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd June 2010 @ 12:29 am
Eagle One what does your due diligence tell you about Themco’s Liberator One RPP program ?
Comment by Lucy — 2nd June 2010 @ 3:58 am
I like the way they know ‘secret information’ which nobody else (of the hundreds of thousands of members) can be told.
Didn’t Calvin accuse Faye of showing off when she posted that link??? Who is the real show off.
Actually, probably just a troll having a laugh
Comment by random passer by — 2nd June 2010 @ 8:40 am
Lucy: Simple. It is a scam.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd June 2010 @ 10:07 am
LiberatorOne is a genuin program and can not be compared with all of those scam programs like GPP! If you are a member you will know why! If you NOT are a member of this program, i can just say i am sorry for you…
Comment by EagleTwo — 2nd June 2010 @ 1:53 pm
Eagle One, do you have Themco Liberator’s info from their back office ?
Comment by Lucy — 2nd June 2010 @ 3:21 pm
Who is Eagle Two? Is that your evil twin skippy EO?
Well, Ive got nothing interesting to report. Hey, why was “6” afraid of “7”?? Anyone….?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd June 2010 @ 9:40 pm
Oh, I broke my toe this morning, isnt that a sign of good luck? lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd June 2010 @ 9:41 pm
Not sure what happened there, but to answer your question IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK, Eagle Two is a pimp for this scam of Terry’s. Terry’s program is no different than all the other RPP scams. They cannot be done either mathematically, financially or from an insurance standpoint. I don’t care what Terry tries to claim. ALL RPP’s are scams. THERE ARE NO EXCEPTIONS to this. Those who think you can take $35/$50/$90 and turn it into $55,000, $75,000, $90,000 or $110,000 are lying.
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd June 2010 @ 11:13 pm
You just like saying my name! lol
Ya, I researched that “investment” earlier. It seems to me that its all the same people just different names. I drew the same conclusion.
It sure sounds so nice though doesnt it? Ah well. Que Cera….
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 4th June 2010 @ 1:06 am
Because seven eight nine!! !! !!
Comment by Faye — 4th June 2010 @ 2:19 pm
I would have liked to know exactly who or what organization is behind this low life scumbag conman Calvin de “Ho” and gang from Malaysia.
Information review that he cheated tons of people into buying thousand GPP additional policy. His main business is to offer high price e-currency to innnocent peoples.
This scumbag must be in jail!
Comment by Kanen — 4th June 2010 @ 3:56 pm
I have been listenibg to the recording of Wayne Mclean and he keeps saying we can go thru him but I can’t figure out where to find his info: phone #, email
Comment by Jamie — 6th June 2010 @ 6:09 pm
More info I received says more debit card packages have been received but I still know of no one personally who has received theirs.
Comment by Jamie — 6th June 2010 @ 6:11 pm
Don’t believe anything until there is solid proof of anything!!
Comment by Faye — 7th June 2010 @ 7:49 am
The cards have been coming for years now. This is the longest runningn orgasm on record with nothing to show for it.
Comment by EagleOne — 7th June 2010 @ 5:32 pm
@Faye, ah, you know that joke! Its cute isnt it?
@Kanen, where did you find that info about Calvin? And Calvin…you got something to say about that?
@Jamie: I dont think you will ever find a phone number to anyone relevant, can you just imagaine all the calls that person would recieve?!! Thousands of people asking the one and only question–Wheres our money?!
@EagleOne: Wow, thats one way to put it!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 7th June 2010 @ 8:06 pm
Hold sh*t, Ive got my card! Can you believe it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I will email anyone with proof!
Comment by Imposter claiming to be Faye — 8th June 2010 @ 2:31 pm
Oooo, Ooooo, I believe you! Heres my email: LIARLIARPANTSONFIRE@GETBENT.COM
(LOL)
Who is that “imposter”? You little prankster!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th June 2010 @ 9:07 pm
Aha!! Needed to lighten the mood!! Dam it, I’m far too obvious!!
Comment by Faye — 8th June 2010 @ 11:08 pm
June 10, 2010
Dear GPP Members,
We are clad to finally announce, that after going through pretty tough times here behind the curtains, our precious project is back on track and we are progressing towards the payout!
We will close the member area for any further sign ups, Additional Policy purchases and profile modifications any day soon. Even if the target of 250.000 sold Additional Policies wasn’t reached yet, we have decided to move forward and not to let it delay the program any further.
As you might imagine, we still have Additional Policias available. If you want one now, please login into your Member area and make the purchase there.
If the member area has been closed already, but you still want to make a purchase, please follow the further instructions:
1. Login to your Liberty Reserve or C-Gold account
and
2. Make a spend of 10EUR per Additional Policy to our account. You have to type your username and number of Additional Policies purchased into the memo field, for example: myusername/3.
Our e-currency account numbers are (the same account numbers, as we have had for years):
Liberty Reserve: U9270694 (Global Account)
C-Gold: 3436 (Global Account)
We have been solving multiple problems during the last months, like the legal contracts-related one mentioned a few months back. The problem with the banking solution still exists. The mandatory membership for the international wires has not been granted making it impossible for us/our partner to send the compensations World wide. It looks obvious, that our partner is unable to get the approval, so we would have to mail the payment cheques via courier. That is the very last solution we wanted to go for, but in this case very unfortunate case that the banking solution failed, it is the only way to go.
We admit, that trying to set up our own banking solution was a costly and time-consuming mistake. Our main objective was to iron out all the problems the other payment solutions contain, and make it as safe, convenient and fast for our members as possible to receive and use the funds after the payout has taken place. This we didn’t achieve, unfortunately.
Shipping the cheques to our members is a costly operation, and we need your help. We have found a suitable partner and managed to make an economical good deal with an international courier service. But because of the magnitude of the task, the Trust Partner is unable to handle the costs alone. Mailing the cheques for our 122.000-ish members costs roughly 5.9 million EUR. The average price per shipment is 48.5EUR. An insured express shipment from our partner from the UAE costs 33EUR for the members living nearby, i.e. the neighboring countries, rising up to 64EUR for the members living on the other side of the Globe. The Trust Parner is able to cover around half of the costs, leaving just 20EUR for each member to cover themselves.
Making your payment against the shipping costs is easy, but you must follow the simple instructions carefully:
1. Login to your Liberty Reserve or C-Gold account and make a manual payment (i.e. NOT through our website) to our account:
Liberty Reserve: U9270694 (Global Account)
or
C-Gold: 3436 (Global Account)
2. Pay only one member’s shipping fee at a time and type “shipping” and the username (of the member in question) into the memo field.
Example: Shipping / myusername. Please be extra careful to type the username correctly, otherwise it cannot be combined with the correct member.
Do not combine two or more shipping fees into one payment! Only one payment / member at a time, please!
You may use your own account to pay other members’ shipping fees. But always state the username in the payment memo field this payment is related to.
Please remember, that the cheque will be sent to the exact address you have saved into your member profile. If you have moved to another address, please update the address at the soonest.
You must not send us an email confirmation of the shipping fee payment! We have all the information we need to track down the payment, combine it with the member in question and progress further.
Last, but by no means least, our partner program is launching very soon. We have told you about this new program around a year ago, and we’ve received tons of inquiries since then. During these turbulent times setting up such a huge operation has been extremely slow. The only thing pending still is the credit card processing contract, i.e. the merchant account. The owner and the program have been pre-approved by the merchant service provider, only the final approval is still pending.
This program will be strictly limited to just 60.000 members, so they expect it to fill fast. The Trust Partner and the owner of this soon-to-be-launched program have agreed, that the GPP members will be offered a priviledged sign up period before the doors will be opened for the general public. Also the sign up fee will only be half of the normal price. GPP members will receive an invitation email shortly with full instructions.
People, we are almost there! This is the moment we have been waiting for!
Sincerely,
Admin
Comment by sleeper — 10th June 2010 @ 5:04 am
Can you believe it? They want us to pay them to send us a check! Why can’t they just take it out of our earnings? Answer: Because it’s a scam!
Comment by sleeper — 10th June 2010 @ 5:11 am
after all —- we hear something again —- good story, true or not ???????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by saleil — 10th June 2010 @ 5:21 am
sleeper,
where you have found the update since its not there in the gpp forum!
or am I missing something!
Comment by eagertoearn — 10th June 2010 @ 5:59 am
it is amazing isn’t it – they could keep this sucker going forever
$20.00 at time!
Comment by Joe — 10th June 2010 @ 6:02 am
Funny, it is not on the GPP website forum, so this is all made up by someone with a really sick sense of humor.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th June 2010 @ 6:21 am
so is that not a real update?
If it is, oh, what a suprise… they want more money.
If not, oh well!
Comment by random passer by — 10th June 2010 @ 8:33 am
This is not a real update!
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 8:53 am
Must you made fun to members! Is not funny at all, go do something meaningful
Comment by Jamie — 10th June 2010 @ 9:17 am
OK apparently the update is correct but some unknown reason, it hasnt been updated to the forum yet! Now theyre asking money for cheques. hmmmm, I dont understand. I think I will be risking it, its only 50quid! If I dont and it runs true, i will regret it, but we shall see!!!!!!
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 12:47 pm
GPP has sent me an email asking for 20 Euros to help the Trust Partner process the final cheques. In doing some DD, I found that the email originated from Panama, and that the domain was invalid.
Anyone else have the same experience, or comments?
Comment by Terry M — 10th June 2010 @ 2:46 pm
The update is an email from GPP that seems real. No idea why it’s not on the forum yet though. Anyway, it’s just another attempt to squeeze more money from the members. Notice they give no actual payment date as usual.
Comment by sleeper — 10th June 2010 @ 3:23 pm
I try and email back on the email it’s sent from and it bounces back!!
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 3:30 pm
Anyway I have a very reliable source investigating this. Watch this space
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 3:31 pm
Please don’t tell me people are actually going to give them MORE money?
Comment by random passer by — 10th June 2010 @ 4:38 pm
sounds quite similar to Cards prediction though…
Comment by random passer by — 10th June 2010 @ 4:39 pm
oh yeah, this is so predictable, but lets here what the bleeders have to say!
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 4:47 pm
Speaking of Cards he/she hasnt been on here for a while.
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 4:53 pm
Log in on the GPP site and u will get a surprise! 🙂
Comment by Member — 10th June 2010 @ 5:07 pm
What’s the suprise there is nothing different
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 6:29 pm
Thank you for the update Sleeper! Yes, I see there is no “were gonna mail out the checks on such and such a date…” anywhere, but best believe they give you every ounce of information on how to pay for these checks and how to pay for more policies!
And what about all the debit card rumors?! Now you know it was all bullshit when GPP itself tells you that it didnt work out with the banking solution, therefore nothing would have been sent out. How rude of people to make things up like that.
Faye, are you still gonna pay the fee?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 10th June 2010 @ 6:30 pm
That IS the surprise! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 10th June 2010 @ 6:32 pm
Last night, my adult kids and I were sitting in the living room and I said to them, ‘I never want to live in a vegetative state, dependent on some machine and fluids from a bottle. If that ever happens, just pull the plug.’
They got up, unplugged the Computer, and threw out my wine.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th June 2010 @ 6:45 pm
And if you have visited the site of gpp it states that “program closing” so still do not know whether the e-mail from hackers or from gpp admin.
Lets wait & see.
Comment by eagertoearn — 10th June 2010 @ 7:13 pm
Is it truth? I did not received any email. they have now closed the website as they said they would. Whether they will still send a payment if the small courier fee is paid, is unknown but there doesn’t seem to be a deadline.
I wonder is a “final cheques with $”? Or ” a blank cheques”?
You decide
Comment by Jamie — 10th June 2010 @ 7:32 pm
GPP website is closed for good. That’s never a GPP banking solution. Wayne Mclean is lying about GPP “packages” because he makes a lot of money by buying policies in GPP and other online scams for people and charging them an enormous fee per contract. Trust nothing Wayne says, he lies about everything. He has no contacts with the admins of these scams, he knows no more than any other member.
What bloody “packages” this bulls***er is talking about. he is basically a parasite.
Comment by salim — 10th June 2010 @ 8:01 pm
Ducky – I’m going to be awaiting information on my source which FYI is very reliable source. If this email is from hackers then obv not but if it’s genuine I will be paying! Blimey surprised eagleone came out with his joke other then going into one heehee!!
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 8:13 pm
P.s ducky is your new nickname
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 8:14 pm
Ok, Im Ducky (Just-Ducky) – like Bond, never mind! lol
@ EO- Good joke! I knew you had it in you…gotta keep that sense of humor, otherwise, whats the point?
Did I ever tell you the story of the duck family? No, probably not, so here I go.
A couple of years ago, I was driving home from work. In rush hour of course. I came across a 4 lane street, and while we were all stuck at a stop sign, out of the corner of my eye, I noticed movement. I turned to look and it was a momma duck and about 6 or 7 itty bitty ducklings, and she hopped off the curb and walked infront of my car with her little ones following her into the street! By this time the light changed and the first row of cars were moving, and before I knew it, I had thrown my car into park and I was in the middle of the street stopping traffic. Once they were all stopped, I shushed the family across the street and ran back to my car!
So, for my birthday that year I got Duck things, duck salt and pepper shakers, momma duck statue with three little ducklings, duck shirt…well you get the idea! lol damn family!
So thats where I got my name from (that and the saying).
Ok, back to GPP. Im on pins and needles, I cant wait for your source’s answer!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 10th June 2010 @ 9:20 pm
Well…. That story was errr …. Something ducky heehee i thought it was completely random! The update would be more believable on the website although it came from their “supposed” email address
Comment by Faye — 10th June 2010 @ 10:05 pm
Who said it was a Joke? I just got back from the store replenishing my wine. OK Just funnin with ya.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th June 2010 @ 10:11 pm
go and see news from gpp site… “Program closing.”
Comment by Nt — 11th June 2010 @ 8:01 am
From a forum where GPP Admin is a member !!!
For members who contacted me by PM I will reply to all of you in this message :
Checks will be mailed out in batches of 30,000 to our 122,000 members starting with the first batch once all of it is funded.
However for those of you who want speedy delivery we are arranging a test batch of only 5,000 members. As of my writing this this slot has been filled with about 4,000 members from the big sponsors leaving about 1,000 slots still open. Reason we are doing this test batch is to ensure the courier delivery works without any hitch and also to prove that the checks are real and can be cashed immediately. Once these 5,000 members receive their checks then they are free to show it to fellow members so that everybody will be able to receive theirs.
To be qualified into this very first batch going out very soon likely in a week or two, make the spend manually 20 EUR to our Liberty Reserve Account U5948339 (Global Account) and PUT the word “EXPRESS” in the memo section.
These first checks will be going out in a week or two and by this time next month 5,000 members will have received their checks and this will prove to everyone that our program has been real from day one.
Thank you.
GPP Admin
Comment by lucy — 11th June 2010 @ 8:06 am
Alright! Ive got my fingers crossed.
So I just calculated this:
Sorry, I only know US dollars: 30,000 batches times $80,000 payout is…$2,400,000,000.00 times 4. (30 grand goes into 122,000 4.07 times). So total amount of money GPP will be paying out is $9,600,000,000.00 (Did I calculate that right?) Thats an impressive amount of money GPP is playing around with!
But now that the debit card thing fell through, now you have a check.
If you deposit this check into your account, the bank will contact the IRS. Back in Feb of 08 when they were still contemplating the banking solution or having it directly deposited into your checking account, they were going to send a letter explaining that this is a reverse pension plan or something for the IRS. Will the IRS accept that? And how much taxes will you have to pay on such a big dollar amount?
So many questions! Anyone know the answers?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 11th June 2010 @ 3:46 pm
So, what happens to those who don’t pay the check fee? No pay or refund from GPP, isn’t that fraud? Why can’t we pay this fee with Paypal? Even better, why can’t they just deduct this fee from what they owe us? Questions without answers I suppose.
Comment by sleeper — 11th June 2010 @ 4:02 pm
Is fake. This is someone idea of a sick jock. Since when GPP respond to members email? No bank will issue any cheques without ID varification.
Comment by Don — 11th June 2010 @ 4:04 pm
“From a forum where GPP Admin is a member !!!”
Lucy,
What forum is that, can you post the link here?
Comment by sleeper — 11th June 2010 @ 4:05 pm
http://www.moneymakergroup.com/Global-Pension-Plan-Glo-t198799.html&view=findpost&p=6062440#entry6062440
[Addition by Ben: Usual warning – be careful when going to MMG, some of its members are known to fiercely promote some very questionable “opportunities”]
Comment by Member — 11th June 2010 @ 4:23 pm
Very good comments ducky & sleeper?! I await answers! My source won’t be paying any Money!
Comment by Faye — 11th June 2010 @ 6:37 pm
Let’s put all of this in persepctive. The database of GPP has been hacked more times than there are holes in Swiss Cheese. That is just for starters. Then take the cost of the mailing, they claim, and divide it by the number of members 122,000. This has to be the most expensive mailing in history per person.
This is a scammer trying to scam the initial scammer, and the only person who loses is you the member. It is why not everyone who is a member received this bogus E-mail. Then add in the sheer size of the mailing if they are doing it in 30,000 batches. Any idea of how big in volume 30,000 envelopes would require? Anyone who sends them a dime deserves to lose their money.
Ducky, here’s the problem in trying to figure out how much money GPP is supposed to pay out to all the members: Some are to receive $55,000 and others are to receive $110,000. You don’t know how many fall into either category. The minimum that would be paid out is $12 Billion Dollars, and could go as high as $42 Billion Dollars due to the mutliple policies purchased. That is why this is a scam. There is not one bank in the world who could pay out this amount of money in CASH! In fact, the top 100 banks in the world combined could not pay out this much money in CASH. Remember, they are borrowing the money from the bank to make this CASH payment.
If anyone still believes this can be done, they are truly beyond hope.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th June 2010 @ 6:50 pm
Love it eagleone
Comment by Faye — 11th June 2010 @ 7:51 pm
Do not pay for cheques! It is hackers this is confirmed, I have very reliable sources x
Comment by Faye — 11th June 2010 @ 8:54 pm
I think the email is from the original GPP scammers because
the c-gold account 3436 is the c-gold account number from the GPP website. This is a last ditch money grab.
Comment by gppisascam — 11th June 2010 @ 10:58 pm
Okay, Im confused. If this was a hacker, why would they say to deposit more money into GPP’s account? Why not make a new account in the hacker’s account? (how many times can I say “account”!)
I dont get it. Remember please, Im a blonde, tell it to me slowly!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 12th June 2010 @ 2:38 am
Oh, and thank you Faye! Youve got the hook up!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 12th June 2010 @ 2:39 am
Oh I dunno ! I just know that I’m doing anything or paying a penny till I get tho nod
Comment by Faye — 12th June 2010 @ 9:15 am
@Faye, let me guess. You got your “instructions” from a source who also suggests that the email from GPP is fake, that the GPP website is hacked, and that GPP will be contacting its members by old fashioned postal service.
I say : LOL !
How many years have this “source” been feeding you RPP programs and programs and programs and none of them ever pays ?
Didn’t I repeatedly advise everyone what GPP will be doing, long before GPP themselves do it ?
I told you that they will be asking for more money for the “payment solution”.
Now think this really HARD : they are asking you to pay them 20 EUR to send you a 55,000 or 110,000 EUR !!
Anyone with common sense will see through this.
The truth is, GPP is not sending anyone any money. The only money changing hands are from you to them. That email does come from the “real” GPP alright. Their accounts info is accurate and like you said, why would a hacker be asking people to send money to GPP and not to the hackers themselves ? Because there is NO hackers ! The cheerleaders are making it up ! You’ll know they make this up as they go along when that update finally appears on GPP’s real website. Remember, when this happens, you’ll KNOW that I’m the one who is right all along and NOT THE CHEERLEADERS !
The cheerleaders are refusing to admit that GPP is a scam so they keep their followers’ “hope” alive but the COLD HARD TRUTH IS : GPP WILL NEVER BE PAYING OUT.
Don’t believe me ? Stay tuned until 2015, 2020, 2030.
Comment by Cards — 12th June 2010 @ 12:03 pm
I got 6 emails from gpp cause others that have bought in have used my email as I helped them buy in. I went to gpp site and although you have to log on, there are no usable functions, i.e. member profile etc,etc. There is no lof off function either.
Comment by pulsar — 12th June 2010 @ 2:03 pm
Sorry, no “log” off function nor forum.
Comment by pulsar — 12th June 2010 @ 2:04 pm
Look who’s back back back, back again. Cards is back tell a friend
Comment by Faye — 12th June 2010 @ 3:07 pm
GPP windowsite is closed. Admin already informed via email (is REAL).
Do you read english ??
Faye, you claimed you have reliable source! Well, you can tell your “reliable” monkey bullshits to take a rest. I’m getting my cheques.
Comment by Calvin Ho — 12th June 2010 @ 4:54 pm
On MMG forum :this GPPAdmin gives a FALSE: LR# for “EXPRESS ” payout with GPP, which sadly means: that he most likely…. is: a SCAMMER
I had the decided to pay 20 EURO to get this EXPRESS pay out , when I suddenly notised: that the LR # U5948339 was DIFFERENT from their OLD and REAL (!!!) LR #U9270694 – mentioned in their update mail from the last days. (which GPPAdmin had also published on MGG – what AUDACITY !!! )
So this: GPPAdmin most likely is a SCAMMER !! ((- “not ALL RPP´s are ! ” -STOP WHINING U negative people !!- and give the good folks left in business a chance to finish ! ( We who actually have inside knowledge have to keep silent !- at this stage – to keep the real RPP´s we KNOW…. below the radar !! )
Comment by ProffRPP — 12th June 2010 @ 8:27 pm
U need to shut your mouth Calvin that’s my family you’re talking about! Get off this forum!
Comment by Faye — 12th June 2010 @ 8:30 pm
Oh and wen u recieve your so called “cheques” be sure to post it as proof
Comment by Faye — 12th June 2010 @ 10:21 pm
Take a look at the LR account number used in the E-mail. It is not the LR account number for GPP. There are no checks, and there will be no payment. This is a scam.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th June 2010 @ 7:59 am
The liberty reserve number used in the email is correct as used by the
GPP website, it is the original scammers, not any new scammers.
Comment by gppisascam — 13th June 2010 @ 9:17 am
gppisascam: I agree it makes no difference which one sent this E-mail because GPP is a scam. But i thought GPP’s Liberty Reserve account number was U9270694. In the E-mail they gave a Liberty Researve account number of U5948339, which is different from the information I had for GPP’s LR account number.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th June 2010 @ 8:15 pm
Wow! Holy cow people, dont argue, dont get into fights over money! EVER!!!
Faye honey, dont take shit from him! You go girl.
And for the rest, well it may or may not be a hacker, the bottom line is, GPP themselves probably arent paying out anything. We knew that.
Go ahead Cal, show us your check, rub it in our faces! Please again, I want you to….two weeks….
AND COUNTING…………………………..and if they dont,you have to clean my room for a month! (lol)
TIC TOC……I expect proof ya’ll..
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 13th June 2010 @ 10:43 pm
It makes no difference if the email is from GPP or a hacker. Either way, it’s BS. GPP could simply deduct a so-called check fee from our earnings. If your bank requires a fee, do they ask you to send it to them or do they simply
deduct it from your account? DUH! Just more proof this is a scam. Not to mention the difficulty and risk of cashing or depositing a large foreign check.
Comment by sleeper — 14th June 2010 @ 7:09 am
That is very true sleeper. I have been loving your comments! You can’t just walk into
your bank and deposit a cheque for that amount of money and have no questions asked. Well u can’t in England anyway! ( p.s England spanked USA in saturdays game) heehee
Comment by Faye — 14th June 2010 @ 9:05 am
I paid 20 EUR to account U5948339 and 24 hours later I got my confirmation email with my details from the new GPP email address and domain name so that one is real.
Comment by Lucy — 14th June 2010 @ 2:45 pm
Good luck Lucy! Keep us posted please….
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 14th June 2010 @ 3:20 pm
“I paid 20 EUR to account U5948339 and 24 hours later I got my confirmation email with my details from the new GPP email address and domain name so that one is real.
Comment by Lucy – June 14, 2010 @ 2:45 pm”
Lucy is a scammer, the liberty reserve account number U5948339 is not in the email from GPP (the originl scammers).
Comment by gppisascam — 14th June 2010 @ 6:23 pm
Hmm, a 1-1 tie is called “a spanking?” I thought a tie with the lowly Yanks would be considered an embarrassment to the Brits. LOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 14th June 2010 @ 7:34 pm
Oh come on!! If it wasn’t for butter fingers green u wouldn’t of stood a chance!! Let’s take a look at the ball possession shall we!! Heehee
Comment by Faye — 14th June 2010 @ 7:41 pm
Ok Lucy if what your saying is real, share with us why dont u! Let’s have the new email and domain
Comment by Faye — 14th June 2010 @ 9:44 pm
This letter is addressed to all members of the GPP who are beginning to feel considerable doubt if not total lack of trust in the viability of this project.
It is now necessary to find alternatives to the GPP forums in which all criticism is forbidden. It’s time to think about what we can do all united to give an ultimatum to GPP.
We have many reasons to doubt the actions of this Plan. For instance :
When the Plan was released, we assume, it had been thoroughly viewed and conceived step by step. The “partners” had already made the necessary contacts with banks, individuals and institutions. It was only a matter of launching the enterprise of getting 100,000 people convinced of its authenticity.
Following the evolution of the plan over the past 3 years, we can remember all the time it has taken to take one step at the time. Let’s see… The “Banking solutionâ€.
Before the Plan was launched, was it not planned?
At first it was said that the solution was for all those who, to receive a large amount of money in their country, would cause them tax and other problems. It turns out that many said they would not or did not need this solution and that they could receive their money without problem.
The GPP reaction to this was a negative one. We were all “in the same boat” and, therefore, we should all participate in this solution.
This was then followed by protests coming from those who refused to give their personal documents. Apparently this issue was solved.
BUT ONLY THIS ISSUE TOOK MORE THAN ONE YEAR TO BE SOLVED.
We all hoped of course that, once the last member got convinced about sending his/her documents, there would be no objection to receive the money.
We were wrong. We forgot that this enterprise has proven to be worse than that of Ulysses.
After the “bank resolution” GPP needed that the 100,000 members (exact figure) sent their personal documents.
ANOTHER YEAR AND A HALF OR MORE, WAITING.
We all knew that there were about 250,000 extra policies available for purchase. Many people asked “Stella” if the policies that have not been sold would be an obstacle to the expected payment, but “Stella” always said that both things had nothing to do, that the policies was somehow “apart”.
Finally, in a moment when almost nobody expected it, the announcement of the 100.000 members = 100.000 documents received, was given. ALLHELLUYA!
The magic figure has been achieved!
NOW WE WILL WAIT 2 OR 3 MONTHS MORE but No problem! We Made it!
But this was to forget again that we are in Ulysse’s boat.
We had been working all this time to convince people to join some else’s enterprise.
THIS TIME GPP WAITS FOUR LONG MONTHS TO ANNOUNCE THAT WE NEED NOW TO EXHAUST ALL THE REMAINING POLICIES.
Why not tell us from the beginning and maybe we would have saved time … ?
But no ..That would have been too easy. Because the game is that while they are “willing to pay” nobody can prosecute them for fraud or anything. IT IS WE WHO ARE FAILING because we do not buy quick enough their product, not them.
But have you not received your notice?
Apparently the time has finally come! Unfortunately the banking solution could not be had (SURPRISE!) but your earnings will be mailed to you in a cheque! All you need to do is send them yet another Euro20 for each membership via Liberty Reserve!
Calculated at 120,000 membership, the scammers stand to collect yet another Euro2.4M
What happened to the highly talkabout “mysterial Packages peoples claimed to receivng it!!!
Finally, this document is intended for those unwilling to seat back for another 10 years waiting for the GPP to spend the fortune made through us and start another program under another name.
WE NEED 100,000 MEMBERS TO SEND THEIR COMPLAINS TODAY TO :
ACT NOW!
http://www.ic3.gov/complaint/default.aspx
THANKS!
Comment by macktheknife — 15th June 2010 @ 9:14 am
I found this article today on Yahoo. I wonder if it has anything remotley to do with GPP and its affiliates?? I mean they have peoples names, addressess, and other personal info, how hard would it be to get a hold of thier cc numbers?
I just wonder if there is a connection somehow? Wouldnt it be wild if they were associated with each other?! Especially the money laundering part (c gold to whatever….)
***MADRID (Reuters) – Police have arrested 178 people in Europe and the United States suspected of cloning credit cards in an international scam worth over 20 million euros, Spanish police said on Tuesday.
Police in fourteen countries participated a two-year investigation, initiated in Spain where police have discovered 120,000 stolen credit card numbers and 5,000 cloned cards, arrested 76 people and dismantled six cloning labs.
The raids were made primarily in Romania, France, Italy, Germany, Ireland and the United States, with arrests also made in Australia, Sweden, Greece, Finland and Hungary.
The detainees are also suspected of armed robbery, blackmail, sexual exploitation and money-laundering, the police said.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th June 2010 @ 4:33 pm
hmmmm very interesting. Well they certainly wont have my card number. And im sure if it had anything to do with GPP the memebers would be complaining of fraud but who knows. Very good find ducky, very good find!
Comment by Faye — 15th June 2010 @ 4:50 pm
Log-in GPP
Site remained.
http://www.global-final-step.net/login.php
Comment by Don — 15th June 2010 @ 5:05 pm
Received e-mail saying payout is near sent funds for Courier mailing for each account. Is this true? Heard this on Friday and not it is Tuesday no further e-mails… WEbsite in closed!!! now what please advise?
diligently waiting but is this another hoax? Please not funny….need follow up e-mails please right a way.
Comment by Lorna K. Warner — 15th June 2010 @ 8:07 pm
Correction Did not respond to send Courier fees…right! Tried website again found I could get in but abruptly shown…”Program Closed” with no access to anything. So where is GPP?
Comment by Lorna — 15th June 2010 @ 8:35 pm
I found another article today about a man who single handedly set out to find Osama Bin Ladin!
When he gets out of the Pakistani jail (or if rather) maybe we can hire him to find that payout! LOL
***DENVER – An American man has been detained in the mountains of Pakistan after local authorities found him carrying a sword, pistol and night-vision goggles on a Rambo-style solo mission to hunt down and kill Osama bin Laden.
Friends and family say construction worker Gary Brooks Faulkner is a devout, good-humored Christian who often talked about building a porch or framing a house — not taking down the world’s most-wanted terrorist. They had few clues to explain his 7,300-mile journey.
“I’m like, ‘What? They got him where?'” said Daren Paredes, a friend who met Faulkner in the northern Colorado town of Greeley. “He’s a joker, and he’s real talkative. … He never really talked about terror or anything like that.”
The 51-year-old Faulkner, who has a lengthy arrest record and served time in a Colorado prison, arrived in the town of Bumburate on June 3 and stayed in a hotel there. He was assigned a police guard, as is common for foreigners visiting remote parts of Pakistan. When he checked out without informing police, officers began looking for him, according to the top police officer in the Chitral region, Mumtaz Ahmad Khan.
He said Faulkner was found late Sunday in a forest.
“We initially laughed when he told us that he wanted to kill Osama bin Laden,” Khan said. But when officers seized the weapons and night-vision equipment, “our suspicion grew.” He said the American was trying to cross into the nearby Afghan region of Nuristan.
Chitral and Nuristan are among several rumored hiding places for bin Laden along the mountainous border between Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Pakistan’s military and intelligence establishment generally deny the possibility that bin Laden is hiding somewhere along the Pakistan-Afghan border, as Western intelligence agencies believe.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th June 2010 @ 9:36 pm
Ducky I can tell that u don’t work hehe! Good find! Wen the baby comes u won’t have time for all this research
Comment by Faye — 15th June 2010 @ 9:58 pm
Actually, I am at work (sshhh)! Just really bored 🙁 very slow here at the job.
But Im not the one who is going to have a little one, that is our very own Random. My baby making days are o-v-e-r! lol
I did get a real kick out of this guy though, whatta nut! Thought everyone could use a chuckle.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th June 2010 @ 10:35 pm
Oh hehe shows how much I pay attention
Comment by Faye — 16th June 2010 @ 12:21 am
this just rolls on and on, would love to know how/when this will end.
Just wondering… where is ‘the money’ now (in theory)… Do GPP claim to have in in an account – and the cheques are coming out of this account… or is the money still in the ‘banking solution’ so the cheques are coming directly from the bank?
Comment by random passer by — 16th June 2010 @ 5:26 pm
Im not sure if they have ever said where the physical money is. Probably in an offshore bank account (or Swiss bank account), in multiple peoples names?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 16th June 2010 @ 10:23 pm
Wow, I missed reading a couple of posts, from two very frustrated people. Macktheknife and Lorna K Warner.
Mack, people have already complained to IC3, but the more the better. And Lorna, today is Wednesday, any response yet from them?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 16th June 2010 @ 10:30 pm
I got mail from gpp! And you?
Comment by Nt — 17th June 2010 @ 1:49 am
Comment by Nt – June 17, 2010 @ 1:49 am: I got mail from gpp! And you?
Isn’t that AOL’s line?
Comment by EagleOne — 17th June 2010 @ 6:56 am
Lol!!!
Comment by Faye — 17th June 2010 @ 8:48 am
Faye?! Lol!!! Why?
Comment by Nt — 17th June 2010 @ 9:45 am
I was lolling at Eagleone!
Comment by Faye — 17th June 2010 @ 11:19 am
Did you get e-mail from gpp?
Comment by Nt — 17th June 2010 @ 2:29 pm
Members, the mail is real from GPP admin. Just follow the instruction and purchase the 20 euro postage.
Comment by Calvin Ho — 17th June 2010 @ 3:14 pm
Shut up Calvin!
Comment by Faye — 17th June 2010 @ 4:53 pm
LOL! Ya, what she said!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 17th June 2010 @ 6:38 pm
Lol. Your so mean ducky
Comment by Faye — 17th June 2010 @ 9:30 pm
The website seems to be back to its normal scamming self!
Comment by Faye — 18th June 2010 @ 4:12 pm
Oh Faye, you’re so mean…. Your species must be very proud of you.
By the way are you male or femail? Check this out.
All species of Baboon have cheek pouches which enable them to grab food quickly and run with it, without the need to stop and chew. Baboons have large canine teeth and long snouts. Baboons’ ears and faces have no fur. Their arms and legs forelimbs and hindlimbs are approximately equal in length, giving baboons their amusing “stoop” in movement. Baboons have tails which vary in length, but are generally long.
Baboons have thick and course fur the colour of which varies with species and habitat. Baboons range from 50-60 cm in length. Male baboons are up to twice as large as females and often have long hair around the shoulders, which makes them look larger still.
Baboons are ground-dwelling creatures and generally group in numbers ranging from 15 to 200 in size.
Baboons prefer to live on rocky plains or in hilly regions, although they can also be found in sparse forests. They usually feed during the day, although they have been known to raid farms at night.
Comment by Calvin Ho — 18th June 2010 @ 4:38 pm
Kor bloody hell Calvin you can cut and paste from google. Your a clever boy aren’t u!!
Comment by Faye — 19th June 2010 @ 10:25 am
Just logged onto the Global site and low and behold its let me log in and read the forum… Its last update was 8th january still.. So the email we all received is not on there!At all….So what does this mean??.. No official post on the site….Hmmm
Comment by sammy — 19th June 2010 @ 11:14 am
Not clever but smart.
Comment by Calvin Ho — 19th June 2010 @ 7:14 pm
femail?
Lol
Comment by random passer by — 19th June 2010 @ 8:01 pm
Yeah so smart that u can’t even spell!! Haha !
Comment by Faye — 20th June 2010 @ 12:17 am
Faye how many GPP members are in your group under your sponsor ?
Comment by Margareth — 20th June 2010 @ 6:02 am
Not sure, why?
Comment by Faye — 20th June 2010 @ 7:35 pm
Tough crowd!
Thank you Cal for explaining the origins of your family, nothing to be ashamed of. We like you no matter what.
And to everyone else, tic toc, going on the second week. I could be mean, but Im not gonna.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE DUCK — 21st June 2010 @ 12:59 am
Be mean Ducky!
Comment by Faye — 21st June 2010 @ 8:55 am
Faye who is your sponsor or group leader ?
Comment by Margareth — 23rd June 2010 @ 4:34 am
Why do you want to know this information?
Comment by Faye — 23rd June 2010 @ 9:28 am
@faye you might want to check with your sponsor if they have news about gpp because mine does but it is only shared with her referrals. good luck
Comment by Margareth — 23rd June 2010 @ 11:48 am
My sponsor says that there is no updates.
Comment by Faye — 23rd June 2010 @ 2:25 pm
Oh….Faye …your “reliable” sponsor are so…so…. “reliable”!!!
Your species have cheek pouches which enable them to “Grab food quickly and RUN with it, without the need to STOP and CHEW.
Comment by Calvin Ho — 23rd June 2010 @ 6:00 pm
Oh Calvin I think you are possibly the most hysterical person I have ever come across.You have this way of converting your foreign accent into English words via google
Comment by Faye — 23rd June 2010 @ 8:08 pm
I think he is sweet on you Faye!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd June 2010 @ 8:40 pm
awww Calvin
your words sound like poetry… are you related to William Shakespeare by any chance?
Comment by random passer by — 24th June 2010 @ 8:12 am
Haha
Comment by Faye — 24th June 2010 @ 1:45 pm
I’LL LET YOU EDIT THIS BEN, IF YOU FEEL THE NEED !!
Update received from NorthWest Club
GPP
Recently received from Wally:
Consensus of opinion is that the email we all received recently may be genuine and brought about by new restrictions that apply in those jurisdictions that use the $USD.
It appears that it is now illegal for a Company or Institution to open an International Bank Account for its employees or members, and, by doing so they could become liable for punitive fines. It is not, however, illegal for individuals to open their own account.
It appears that GPP are sending out details for a pre-approved bank account that you need to activate yourself, (a formality), and then your money will be credited to it.
Below I reproduce a posting from someone who claims to have received the package: –
Hi everyone
I got good news about GPP! Looks like the email wasn’t a hoax!
People over here who paid the shipping fees directly after the email arrival, already got their package. Included in it, are documents for GPP, GPPII & GPPIII plus Documents to open a Bank-Account yourself as per new regulations No institution has the legal right to do so on behalf of another person, internationally.
So, a lot of landings happening over here in a very short period of time, per FEDEX! I logged in and everything’s ok, had to do some changes and they are done! Same for 2 of my downlines!
You will notice that there is no mention of receiving a cheque, which was always my primary concern as it is completely unworkable!
On the basis of this, plus some other posts, 3 of our team are sending our 20 euro as soon as we can get the cash into Liberty Reserve. We will keep you informed as to progress and, if it proves successful will let you know at once so you too can get paid.
Meanwhile, I would caution you to wait and see what transpires, but, if you have a good feeling about it, perhaps risk one 20 euro for one family member.
Comment by MARCO — 25th June 2010 @ 2:52 pm
NO, that email is NOT TRUE. There is no such thing as GPP II and GPP III ! NON-SENSE !
GPP members, you should all MONITOR this page :
http://www.detailshere.com/gpp618.htm
There will be a very comprehensive update within 24 to 48 hours. Only for GPP members.
Comment by David — 25th June 2010 @ 3:12 pm
Very useful information David, looking forward to more of your posts
Comment by Faye — 25th June 2010 @ 4:20 pm
This just gets stranger & stranger! So much conflicting info. Will we ever know the truth? Based on GPP’s past performance, my guess is no.
Comment by sleeper — 25th June 2010 @ 6:14 pm
You all will see the real update soon.
Keep monitoring that site.
Comment by David — 25th June 2010 @ 6:32 pm
WHY IS IT THAT WHEN EVER ANYTHING NEGATIVE IS PUBLISHED, SOMEONE NEW APPEARS, WHO KNOWS SOMEONE, WHO KNOWS SOMEONE, WHO KNOWS SOMEONE, WHO KNOWS SOMEONE, WHO KNOWS SOMEONE ELSE THAT HAS RECEIVED A “PACKAGE”
Comment by MARCO — 25th June 2010 @ 8:39 pm
I cant stop being a Negative Nelly! I tried..but I just cant..need to voice opinion….no! So many things I want to say and ask…Nope, Im not gonna do it. Im just gonna wait.
When will little Globina make her appearance Random? Or is it a Globoyl? lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 25th June 2010 @ 8:43 pm
@MARCO: LOL!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 25th June 2010 @ 8:57 pm
Faye, did you write that about David’s posts being useful information? Your name has a line under it, its just unusual being that the computer usually remembers your name. Just curious.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 25th June 2010 @ 9:09 pm
Hi David,
isn’t that the page of JudahLion?
Comment by saleil — 25th June 2010 @ 9:49 pm
baby arrives in approx 7 weeks… scary!!!
Comment by random passer by — 25th June 2010 @ 10:26 pm
Just an observation. I have been reading this information several times as something didn’t seem right. I think the people who started GPP have sold the database to someone else, and this fee request for the mail delivery is a means to gather close to $5 Million Dollars before totally disappearing.
My reason for saying this is because all of a sudden, their English has improved immensely. They did not post this on the website, which leads me to believe they only have access to the database. GPP never sent out massive E-mails, even when they were hacked to warn members they were hacked.
There are several other issues that has led me to this conclusion, but wanted to toss this out for other’s comments.
Comment by EagleOne — 25th June 2010 @ 11:04 pm
Woo hoo! Hang in there Random (time will go quick), I actually got so irritated with being pregnant, I talked my doctor into inducing me early for 2 of my children! Its just so much more convenient when its planned (Im a planner, I hate surprises). lol- No fun, I know.
David, you have alot going on in your website! From Diet pills to salvation, thats quit a strech. Gotta tell ya, I heard that the license plate spray is no good, it doesnt work. I did try the Acai Berry pills, I dont think they worked for me, but then I didnt put my all into it. But why again are your updates more valid than anyone elses? And why wouldnt GPP post updates to all of their members at the same time? That doesnt seem to make any sense to me, especially since they have been updating their websites since 2005, why stop now? There are just too many inconsistancies for me. Okay, Ive went ahead with my questions anyway, sorry!
But time will tell, I guess. Looking forward to more updates.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 25th June 2010 @ 11:13 pm
People,
The reason that FAKE update about “checks” did not appear on the website is because that FAKE update came from hackers, whereas GPP Admin still has control of their website although after hackers succeeded hacking their members email database, I am sure it’s only a matter of time until HACKERS GAIN CONTROL of the website !
Also, people assume GPP Admin is sitting on billions of $$$ of payout but the TRUTH is, it is NOT THEM who is currently holding all the funds in safekeeping. The GPP Admin are also waiting for their payouts, Hint : you can ask your bank about the principles of a Trustee or escrow.
A very comprehensive REAL update with PROOF is coming only for genuine GPP members. Non members and non believers, that update is of no use for you so just please let us get to the end of this once and for all.
Keep monitoring the site I told you about. Bookmark it.
Comment by David — 26th June 2010 @ 7:12 am
http://www.detailshere.com/gpp618.htm
This is the website of a well known scammer/bull****ter called
Berry Ball.
Comment by gppisascam — 26th June 2010 @ 10:28 pm
Right. Listen to the stranger. Real updates, not real answers.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 27th June 2010 @ 1:11 am
All these comments, why can’t people just speak in an understandable language, as a member of the public who invested in Global Pensions I just want to know straightforward answers on what is happening. We all know there is not going to be a payout, there is not point in getting all our hopes up, especially those who really need the money, so let just keep in plain and simple?
I still can’t understand why if it’s so easy for the hackers to get into the sites that they can’t be traced by the authorities?
Comment by Confused — 27th June 2010 @ 10:21 am
Maybe the hackers can steal the GPP website but the liberty reserve number and c-gold are the same as GPP they can’t steal that???? so I think many people want to make a big story with a little freedom to you to send them money or not if you never beleive in Gpp even if you have investment don’t send them money that’s it but the number of liberty reserve account and c-gold account still the same as Gpp web site…
Comment by melissa — 27th June 2010 @ 1:28 pm
So, who is going to give this guy the proof that they are members so they can get the “inside” poop?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 28th June 2010 @ 9:07 pm
Technically, I guess according to the website, you will not need to contact that person, nor continue monitoring the website as long as all your information is correct with gpp’s website, then you will be contacted by your upline. So the “detailshere” website is obsolete, according to it.
Its just more busy work.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 28th June 2010 @ 10:11 pm
I ain’t doing shit till I hear from my upline
Comment by Faye — 28th June 2010 @ 11:12 pm
It’s nonsense. How do they expect us to contact our downline when they don’t give contact details? Most don’t know everyone in their downline and I have no idea who’s in my upline .
Comment by sleeper — 29th June 2010 @ 5:13 am
@ sleeper
When you login to your GPP acc and click My Profile, you can see your sponsor’s email address.
Comment by David — 29th June 2010 @ 6:30 am
You do not need to get the update from him if you are not comfortable. Just be patient and you will get it from your uplne or downline I’m sure.
Comment by David — 29th June 2010 @ 7:32 am
GPPISASCAM: How do you know that he is a well known bull****ter?
Comment by Faye — 29th June 2010 @ 12:27 pm
He is not a bull****ter, he is just trying to help others get the information.
Comment by David — 29th June 2010 @ 1:07 pm
When a person choosing a nickname GPPISASCAM posts in a thread about GPP, I really don’t know what their intention is. As you have dismissed GPP as a scam, why do you even bother reading a thread about GPP ?
Just let the rest of us see this thing through to the end.
Comment by David — 29th June 2010 @ 1:15 pm
I agree David
Comment by Faye — 29th June 2010 @ 2:06 pm
“When you login to your GPP acc and click My Profile, you can see your sponsor’s email address.”
Fine, but will every sponsor bother to update their downline especially if they don’t have their email addresses? It’s a bad way to expect an important update to get out to everyone. A chain is only as strong as its weakest link & every downline has weak links. Oh well, no telling if this plan is even from GPP. All we can do is keep waiting as usual. It never ends.
Comment by sleeper — 29th June 2010 @ 2:57 pm
My “upline” skipped out of America in 2008. He is currently in another country.
Faye, hasnt your upline contacted you yet? The website said an update will be coming 24 to 48 hours, that time has come already, hasnt it? Shouldnt they have been contacted by thiers by now?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th June 2010 @ 3:04 pm
I am in regular contact with my upline. They have no news.
Comment by Faye — 29th June 2010 @ 3:52 pm
How come on that link that David put, why is it dated @ 30/6/10. Its only the 29/06 today?
Comment by Faye — 29th June 2010 @ 3:53 pm
@ Faye,
He said it was 3 a.m. He thought the next day is the 30th. Typo
Comment by David — 29th June 2010 @ 4:15 pm
Im with ya!
Comment by Faye — 29th June 2010 @ 4:41 pm
Is he serious? You have to BUY the debit cards? So, again, they are asking for yet more money. This is just too crazy. Just more of the same, then after all this “updating” they are going to say it was another “hacker”, another fake email. I give.
QUOTE:
“It’s 3am and I didn’t get everyone updated. Tomorrow is another day.
For those that did get updated I would hold off buying debit cards until we prove the last email
wasn’t fake too. We are asking those who received if they paid for their debit cards up front or not.
We are also trying to get some ID out of our agents and maybe a pic of the package they received.
Not to pass around but to be able to tell you I saw one.”
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th June 2010 @ 6:15 pm
Berry Ball website http://www.detailshere.com/ is most certainly a well known scammer/scam enabler. Investigate him yourself, if you wish to know about his reputation. Any money you send him for a GPP debit card will go directly into his pocket (or the pocket of another scammer he is in cahoots with).
Comment by gppisascam — 29th June 2010 @ 6:16 pm
What do you think about this post?
http://www.judahlionnetwork.com/?p=370
I’ve posted a mesaage asking about the PDF and how is he so sure this pdf is a hoax, and wasn’t approved by Judah…. mmmm
Yesterday I’ve posted here a message with this link and too was deleted… What happened? A Black Hand???? 🙂
[Addition by Ben: Probably had some banned word/URL in it and got deleted automatically – an anti-spam measure which is necessary I’m afraid…]
Comment by Manny — 29th June 2010 @ 6:31 pm
Hey GPPISASCAM:
How do you go about researching these people? I dont know where to go on the web! I tried Interpol, their website is useless. I tried other scam websites, and though they do list the names and their companies of known scammers, I didnt see any familiar name.
Please help!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th June 2010 @ 8:52 pm
And David,
Regarding GPPISASCAM, the reason he/she posts is to express their beliefs, just like you.
Besides, it wouldnt be much of a forum if everyone agreed!
It would go like this:
A.) Did your upline contact you yet?
B.) No, yours?
A.) No. But were gonna get paid soon! Yeah!
B.) Yeah, thats what I hear.
A.) (crickets chirping) So, any news yet?
LOL, it would be boring, you need some diversity, some “devils advocates”, things that make you go ..HMMMM…and make you think about things. Lets face it, EVERYONE doesnt know for sure one way or the other, we are ALL guessing. But some people have been guessing for a loooonnnnng time, much longer than they (GPP) originally promised back in 2005/2007/2008/2009/etc. So that is what the naysers base their belief in, the broken promises, endless problems, final (not really final) dates, cant blame someone for giving up. But yet, they check, just to see if they were wrong! Curiosity..
In addtion to that, people who are researching GPP have the right to hear both sides. Its only fair. They can make up thier own minds.
So, how long have you been with GPP, David?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th June 2010 @ 9:51 pm
oh, and 2006 (oops)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th June 2010 @ 9:52 pm
http://www.internationalpassiveincome.com/GPP_Update.html
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 9:34 am
@Faye,
I know someone who has the actual package. How can we contact the person running internationalpassiveincome ? Is it the email on their website (in the Contact Us section) or do you have another ?
Comment by David — 30th June 2010 @ 9:45 am
I have a very interesting read, on a word document, if you would like to read it, please let me kno. Note: I will only send it to people I have been talkin to on here.
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 9:48 am
Have they received their debit card? I have nothing else.
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 9:49 am
David, do you know any other details, are you English?
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 9:51 am
@Faye
Yes I do, I have read the full real update. But I will only send it to members I know personally. Anyhow, will try to contact that blog you pointed.
Comment by David — 30th June 2010 @ 10:02 am
Do u wanna swap information, I have a very interesting read -PDF.
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 10:09 am
@Faye
I read the PDF. It was rewritten by a member who obviously has the actual package from GPP. I have seen the original update and the contents of the package. There are 3 pages of information, a set of Non Disclosure Forms and a VISA Debit Card.
The PDF basically has the same info though.
Comment by David — 30th June 2010 @ 10:20 am
Do u mean the Q & A?
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 10:22 am
btw I just heard from someone else whose sponsor also received the package. Information is being shared from member to member only, so it’s moving slowly.
Comment by David — 30th June 2010 @ 10:28 am
So why wont you share with me?
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 10:29 am
What do you mean ? I don’t even know your email address and I have no way to tell if you’re really a member. Don’t worry though you will hear from someone sooner or later.
Comment by David — 30th June 2010 @ 10:35 am
Well I am a member, but nevermind, you clearly have nothing to share
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 10:36 am
Funny how you won’t give proof of your membership before but now you want others to just accept what you say you are. It works both ways.
Comment by David — 30th June 2010 @ 10:50 am
I have no problem proving that I am a member, not in the slightest, I just want to know why youre so secretive about it, what about all these none members who want to know,
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 11:04 am
Faye, the update is of NO USE for non-members. It’s irrelevant for them especially the naysayers. We will sign the Non-Disclosure Agreement. When we get paid, we do not brag about it and attract all the unwanted attention be it from your tax institution or authority. Do you want to have the payouts stopped because the governments interfered wanting their piece of taxes
Comment by David — 30th June 2010 @ 11:09 am
Ok Ok, I agree, please share with me, what can I send to prove it, Im not going to send me profile page as it has all my address on it…
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 11:15 am
Member to member? That will never work.
Comment by sleeper — 30th June 2010 @ 12:26 pm
Everything is still as vague as it ever was, Rediculous, same old same old.
Comment by pulsar — 30th June 2010 @ 12:55 pm
Faye,
Why should we tell you anything? You should ask your so…..so…… highly “Reliable” upline for information. Not here. Now go to sleep.
Comment by Calvin Ho — 30th June 2010 @ 3:29 pm
I agree pulsar, but I think that we are getting to the end slower than a snails pace. Whether its a scam or not. More information is getting fed to us each day (which is better than nothing, a few months back!)!
Comment by Faye — 30th June 2010 @ 3:43 pm
Careful Faye! You two can not contact each other without typing your personal emails on this site. And then everyone in the free world will email you!
I understand that you want to see what he sees, but perhaps its just best to wait for your upline, you certainly dont need to prove anything to this person. If what he says is true, then everyone will be contacted.
And nothing is irrelevant. The governments will find out anyway if anyone has large withdrawls on their debit cards thru the ATM machines. So you have to make little ones to slip under the radar.
I found this article on the net: http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-news/ir-03-05.pdf Its an old document, but it shows that things are monitored world wide. Its just interesting, it includes no name debit cards too. I dont know how they would pin it on you, but apparantly they can, according to the article.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 30th June 2010 @ 6:18 pm
Question: IF they payout, it will be in Euros right? How does that work for people in the USA? Dont we have to exchange that to dollars? Or since its on a card that doesnt matter? I should think though that the banks who try to cash what ever you bought, or paid for with the card would have to exchange that to dollars?
Set me straight on that, will ya? Anyone know how that would work?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 30th June 2010 @ 8:29 pm
Hello
Can anyone tell me that this PDF file that is circulating,
A summary of what he says GPP PDF file?
In other forums say that those who circulate the file is an invention of hackers
Others say that the last email received by members of GPP is correct, some say they have received their packages, others say they have paid their 20 euros and have not received anything, no package.
Others say they are hackers.
In the official forum GPP no message from the January 8, 2010,
What the hell is this? , A total confusion.
Who is telling the truth?, What news is correct?
Billy
Comment by Billly — 30th June 2010 @ 9:55 pm
No one knows for sure Billy. Everyone is going on hearsay, friend of friends and so on. No information is 100%.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 30th June 2010 @ 10:20 pm
3005
Question: IF they payout, it will be in Euros right? How does that work for people in the USA? Dont we have to exchange that to dollars? Or since its on a card that doesnt matter? I should think though that the banks who try to cash what ever you bought, or paid for with the card would have to exchange that to dollars?
Set me straight on that, will ya? Anyone know how that would work?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK – June 30, 2010 @ 8:29 pm
If you have the PDF file it’s ALL spelled out. It explains that exact question IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK. Hope that helps…..
Comment by Happy — 1st July 2010 @ 4:28 am
I think a debit card makes sense. The check doesn’t. If I go to my bank with 500,000 Euro European bank check from GPP then how it will not raise RED FLAGS everywhere ?? I just read in the news that the EU is opening up all financial data to the US government !! The IRS WILL KNOW about my check !
Comment by Lucy — 1st July 2010 @ 6:43 am
I would rather make it a part time job to go to the ATM’s everyday and get cash little by little than get grilled by the IRS !!
Comment by Lucy — 1st July 2010 @ 6:44 am
Thank you Happy!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st July 2010 @ 4:31 pm
I am following the situation very closely. I pray that justice will eventually prevail.
Comment by Mdm — 1st July 2010 @ 6:06 pm
That debit card is not accepted in the US. Do I have the wrong information?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st July 2010 @ 8:46 pm
U have wrong info ducky
Comment by Faye — 1st July 2010 @ 9:04 pm
Folks, this debit card is a scam on top of a scam. The NDA has more typos and inconsistencies than GPP’s description of the reverse pension product. It is a very poor copy job from a real legal NDA form. It is not even the proper type of NDA they claim it is for.
For those of you who will send in your money, kiss it bye. I actually think it is a ploy for one of the major pimps of GPP to see how much money he can get from the members to cover his costs as he knows GPP will never pay. DON’T FALL FOR IT. It is a scam just like GPP is a scam.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st July 2010 @ 9:06 pm
Visa Electron Debit is not the right card?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st July 2010 @ 9:14 pm
It is. Visa Electron can be used in the US to access foreign funds but US banks do not issue Visa Electron cards. So they could not use US banks to provide Visa Electron cards to people in other countries in the way that they claim. Other US-provided un-named/pre-paid cards would not work. The balance limits (as opposed to withdawl limits) on anonymous, pre-paid cards would be a problem in both cases. Sorry, the scheme could not work as they describe it.
Comment by UnFinnished — 2nd July 2010 @ 12:17 am
Latest info I got from my sponsor who just received a general update from the Trustee :
General update to all appointed GPP Agents.
We just got back from a 2-day trip meeting with several of the banks. The banks advised us that VISA is in the process of phasing out the VISA Electron Debit Card and replacing it with the VISA DEBIT Debit Card. The two of them work in a similar way, as a debit card, but the newer VISA DEBIT has advantages over the VISA Electron like the allowing transfers exceeding available funds up to a certain limit, otherwise known as overdrawn. This feature is not effecting our arrangements, but VISA is encouraging banks to support the new VISA DEBIT so the banks are offering us an upgrade at no cost. The cash withdrawal limitation, however, stays the same.
Note : We have not had the time to reply to the Agent emails from the last couple of days. Will be replied to in the next few days. Please understand that we are working on several projects at our Law Firm on a daily basis and the Global Pension Plan program is not the only project on our table.
The Global Pension Plan TRUSTEE
Comment by David — 2nd July 2010 @ 7:05 am
I’m a banker working at a reputable bank. Few months ago some people from one of larger Law firm came to my bank. They wanted issuing 5000 debitcards. Those cards must be linked to accounts. They will fund the accounts ranging from 50,000 EUR to 5 mil EUR. They wanted our best price and service. They told us they also went to another bank and asked the same. They would only select one. Our bank offers them our Mastercard cards for $50 to $ 100 each. After few weeks negotiations almost close the deal when they back out and went with Visa cards from our main competitor. They said cost was cheaper. I did not know for what, but I think I do now. Ironically I’m a GPP member but they never mentioned it so I did not know.
[Addition by Ben: This comment posted from the same IP address as “David” below – who posted 50 minutes before – (the comment made at 2010/07/02 at 7:05 AM)]
Comment by Hans — 2nd July 2010 @ 7:55 am
http://s950.photobucket.com/albums/ad347/gpp-payout-information/GPP%20Package%20and%20Its%20Contents%20Photos/
Comment by Faye — 2nd July 2010 @ 9:32 am
For me it’s simple. The payout from GPP won’t come in a crib delievered by a stork. So it’s either the check or the debit card. I like anonymity so I go with the card. My name on the check = trouble. Cause even if the check is real checks can BOUNCE !
Comment by lucy — 2nd July 2010 @ 10:14 am
Thank you for the link, but when I click on the picture, it doesnt come any bigger, I cant read what they say! Maybe its just my computer.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd July 2010 @ 3:23 pm
Your awsome Ben, you see all! 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd July 2010 @ 5:00 pm
Geez, Im sitting here just thinking about that, and man, the deception is just awful! Same IP address! The balls….just mind blowing.
I for one would like an explanation as to how that is possible from David.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd July 2010 @ 5:09 pm
Hans is my co-worker. I showed him this forum on my comp. I’m not in the cards department though. He is.
Comment by David — 2nd July 2010 @ 5:48 pm
I’m confused?!
Comment by Faye — 2nd July 2010 @ 8:20 pm
Hi Faye. I just had a look at these papers from photobucket. Pity I cannot examine them closer, maybe you did. What do you think about them. At first glance they look realistic !? There is mentioned the Bank of China??
Comment by Stan — 2nd July 2010 @ 8:22 pm
It was just my computer, I was able to zoom in on the photo bucket pictures. Didnt really help any. Just random papers, I could make those on my computer!
@Faye, confused? From my post? I will explain, if you go back a page, to # 151, you will see a comment from Hans (the last one on the page on top) Ben added a comment to that post stating that Hans and David have the same IP address. Hans using Davids computer, ooooorrrr Hans and David are one and the same person posing as two different people? Id like to hear which one it is from David personally!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd July 2010 @ 8:41 pm
Why would any sort of loser do that!! In regards to the papers, I really don’t kno. There is someone who is doing a test and paying the $75 for the debit card as a test run! As soon as I kno something u will, especially u ducky!! We like u!!
Comment by Faye — 2nd July 2010 @ 9:38 pm
Awsome, thank you, you too!
We? You got a mouse in pocket sister?! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd July 2010 @ 10:14 pm
@Lucy,
Hi, maybe I understood that photobucket picture wrong, but from what I could see, I got the impression that your name is on the card? Or your user name? not sure, thats just how I interpreted it, I could be wrong.
Yes, checks would be bad on several levels! How about a box of cash? Just count it out, and stuff it in, and ship it out. I think that would do just fine for me! Id pay UPS fees for that. lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd July 2010 @ 10:22 pm
Kor cash would be lovely! We meaning me and my upline and their contacts!
Comment by Faye — 2nd July 2010 @ 10:31 pm
Nevermind Lucy, I was just thinking about the name on the card thing, they said they will send you a pin number, so I guess its all in one big lump sum account, and everyone will just take their share out of it. ( again, Im blonde, work with me! Things are slower in my head sometimes).
How would they keep track of who is taking what out? There is a daily limit, not a limit-limit right?
Ya, Im done thinking about this for now. Enjoy your weekend everyone. And Faye, Im looking forward to an update, good luck!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd July 2010 @ 10:42 pm
Now to add to the confusion, I just got this email. Will the real GPP please stand up. LOL!:
Sat, Jul 3, 2010
Dear GPP Members,
Urgent update!
There’s a false GPP update circulating on the internet. It has been
attached in the end of this
update. Please disregard it completely, it’s total BS!
The update you are reading at this very moment is also soon available in
our member area confirming
you, that we have the total control of the project regardless what you
might have been told. You
can always login to your back office at http://www.global-final-step.net.
Always before making a spend to our account, please check and re-check
the account number.
We use the very same LR and CG accounts that have been in use for
several years. If you are
transfering money to our account the first time, please check the
account numbers with your sponsor.
Please inform your downline about this at the soonest!
We are sorry for the inconveniences this may have caused you!
Sincerely,
Admin
False update, please disregard:
Global Pension Plan Non-Disclosure and Payouts
This is to advise you that I have been selected by GPP Administration
and the GPP Trustee to act as special agent for the Global Pension
Plan program with the privilege to share information about the payouts
of the program and the debit cards to other Global Pension Plan
members. There are a few more special agents that have received or
will be receiving their special couriered packages around the world.
One special agent per country, in some countries two will be assigned.
Because of the website being attacked by hackers, the administration
has moved all the data from the site to a secured place. Obvious this
has been done to protect all members and all other parties involved.
The Global Pension Plan administrators have stated that they did NOT
send out an email to the members. That is a false email update sent by
hackers who managed to intrude the GPP website. Do not send money to
either of those e-currency accounts they have indicated in that email.
The administration has lost control over those e-currency accounts. As
soon as the hackers knew they had control, they issued the false
email. As of this writing it is understood that the Administrator is
still in control of the website and that is why an update has yet to
appear in the forum, but this cannot be guaranteed indefinitely. I
have been advised that should the worst possible scenario happen and
that this false update appears on the forum section of the GPP
website, then the website would have been compromised and probably
taken over by the hackers. If this happens I would advise all members
to abandon the GPP website. GPP is in the process of trying to shut
down the site to avoid any falsification.
To avoid any further misrepresentation, they decided immediately to
contact the selected few, including myself, to become special agents
by courier service.
They have now decided that the only communication will be done through
a more secure one. Of which I advise you that I have personally
received the couriered package from the trustee in which my selection
as special agent was ascertained. Since that time I have been in
regular contact with the Trustee.
All communication with Administration and the Trustee will be done
through the selected Special Agents. This is to prevent any unwanted,
repeated and needless questions from the members themselves. I would
also advise the members to apply the same benefit to us. With this
tremendous responsibility which we have graciously accepted, we do not
want or need unnecessary questions. Contact your sponsor or leader
first, they may have the answer and if not, they can find the answer.
Do not send needless questions that you can find in the information
that is being provided in this letter.
We will be distributing information to known members; those members
may inform other members and so on. The first priority is to insure
that this information is privy only to GPP members as much as
possible. This is of course to protect the program, its privacy and to
ensure the successful completion of the payout process to all members.
It is not to be discussed on internet forums or blogs or anything of
that nature, publicly. This would only bring unwanted attention to
yourself and your own privacy.
We have been asked to distribute a copy of the final Non Disclosure
Agreement. This can be emailed or mailed to your referrals and other
members as well as this information letter.
The payout program is ready; they have 20 Banks in total to
accommodate our needs.
To activate your account you will need to acquire one of the two card
choices. Be very careful which one you choose at the very beginning.
Once you make your choice, you cannot choose a higher paying card
after.
Here are your two choices:
Silver Visa Electron Debit card cost is US$25. It has a daily cash
withdrawal limit of US$500. You can purchase up to a maximum of 5
cards per member if you so desire.
Gold Visa Electron Debit Card cost is US$75. It has a daily cash
withdrawal limit of US$2500. You may also purchase up to 5 cards per
member.
You cannot mix the cards, you cannot purchase a silver card and a gold
card. If you first purchase the silver card, then if you want to
purchase more cards you can, but they will only allow you to purchase
the silver card. If your first purchase is a gold card you will only
be able to purchase more gold cards.
You can purchase cards even after you have received your initial card.
But you must purchase at least one card. This is to activate your
account.
The trustee is there to ensure that everyone has control over their
funds, not the trustee, not the bank, not GPP administration or the
benefactors. This is for your protection.
Most banks that are issuing the debit cards have internet banking service.
You can utilize the card(s) for smaller amounts and contact the bank
directly to arrange for withdrawing larger amounts. Or you can use the
cards totally, it is your choice.
The funds to pay for the cards cannot be deducted from your payout
funds. This is going through a Trustee. The Trustee is not allowed to
deduct funds from any account as they do not have any authority in
anyone’s account.
Neither the GPP administrator nor the trustee can ever have access to
a member’s funds. The funds are guarded by the withholding bank. This
is to ensure that only a member can access their funds. Even after a
member submits their Debit Card payment, the bank will mail the card
directly to the member and it will never go through either the
Administrator or the Trustee. Therefore at any point does another
party ever have control of a member’s funds, no one but the member.
The trustee has control on the amount of funds that go into your
account. This is based upon the database of how many policies your
have purchased and your referrals. The Trustee dictates to which of
the 20 banks the funds are to be distributed to but does not have any
access to your funds.
The trustee and bank have arranged that a member will not be receiving
a card issued by a bank located in their own country of residence, but
they will receive a card from a bank in another country.
All funds on all the cards will be converted from Euros to USD.
Example: If your payout is 110,000 and the current rate at the time of
your payout is 1.22 USD to the Euro, then your payout would be
$134,200.00.
Wherever you use the card the ATM will always convert to the currency
of that country. So how to get started: Purchase your card(s):
For the Silver Visa Debit Card: Liberty Reserve Account: U99XXXXX
(XXXXXXXX) (False account numbers masked by the GPP Admin)
Each Silver Card is $25.00 USD.
In the memo section, enter your username and your EMAIL address. This
is important for them to contact you if your old email address in the
GPP database is not working anymore. You can make multiple payments
for cards, but you do NOT have to indicate that. They will know how
many by the amount of the payment.
For the Gold Visa Debit Card: Liberty Reserve Account: U58XXXXX
(XXXXXXXX) (False account numbers masked by the GPP Admin)
Each Gold Card is $75.00 USD.
In the memo section enter your username and your EMAIL address. This
is important for them to be able to contact you if your old email
address in the GPP database is not working anymore. Remember this is
how you will receive the PIN number to activate your account/card. You
can make multiple payments for cards, but you do NOT have to indicate
it in the memo. They will know how many by the amount of the payment.
You cannot purchase more than 5 cards, if you try to do so, the funds
that you send will be placed into your account. They will not be
returned to the LR account.
There is no cut-off date for purchasing the cards, unless a problem
arises in the future. Payouts and debit cards will be processed in
batches of 10,000. The 10,000 are divided amongst the 20 Banks.
This is the arrangement that they have made with the banks, each bank
has a minimum amount of cards that they require before they will be
sending them out. Some of the smaller banks will have smaller amounts
and the larger banks will obviously have much more.
Once the 10,000 has been achieved, the packages will commence to be
distributed. Then the next batch of 10,000 and so on.
The package will be sent to you via courier or registered mail, the
banks are paying for the costs. Timeframe 1 week to 3 weeks depending
upon your location.
The package will contain:
Original copies of The Final Non-Disclosure Agreement. Debit Card(s) A
letter from the bank with your account information
Information of a secured email address to which to send your scanned
files of the Final Non
Disclosure Agreement.
A letter of instructions on how to fill in the legal forms properly,
and how to activate the Debit
Card with the 6-digit PIN code.
Once you have received the package, you are required to read the non
disclosure agreement, sign the last page, initial each page (this
indicates that you have read and agreed). Next step is to have it
scanned and sent back to the email address provided in the package.
You keep the original.
Once that is completed, they will process it, the trustee will tell
the bank, the bank will activate your account, transfer the specific
amount of your payout into it and they will issue you your 6-digit PIN
code for activating your Debit Card. This can be done at any of your
local ATM displaying the VISA logo.
Remember there are instructions in the package.
If you do not return the Non Disclosure your account will not be
activated. Once the payout process begins and members start having
access to their funds, paid members are
forbidden to share any information to anyone who is not a member of
the program. We will be informing members that contact us of any
updates.
Special GPP Agent
Sharon
Comment by sleeper — 3rd July 2010 @ 5:14 am
Bueno para mi es alentador el comentario de estos señores. Pienso que la recomendaciónes que dan son buenas. Seguimos adelante hasta recibir el Oro. Che.ke o tarjeta, bueno no sé; pero que llegue pronto. Lo que no entiendo muy bien es si hay que enviar los 20 Euros a la cuenta que mencionan en el correo, me puedes esplicar esto?. Gracias.
Pique.
Comment by Pique — 3rd July 2010 @ 7:00 am
.My desire is to try and protect my Aydar to referrals, to follow the instructions given here. Motivation is great for me, all this is true and comes to an end. Someone can write me or make me more clarity on this issue. I am a member of gpp three years ago and have been attentive to all communications.
Piqui
Comment by Pique — 3rd July 2010 @ 7:06 am
It seems to repeat its self about the Memo Section….have a re – read
Any one know where the memo section is???
Comment by sammy — 3rd July 2010 @ 7:47 am
I’m not sure about the Sharon one but the first section is definately a FAKE email from gpp!! At no point would they say BS!! Oh would they post the “fake” email not would they say that they will post it on there site soon!! Simple as that!!
Comment by Faye — 3rd July 2010 @ 8:54 am
Hi,
I’m a member and I’m from HK. I am not good in writting English and I hope members can understand what I’m trying to tell you.
My wife & I had decided to post here to Warning peoples that the PDF or photo circulating around the net is a SCAM.
Seems to me this “David is promoting the scam PDF file. He might be the same “Sharon”! Be cautious.
The NDA copy circulating IS A BIG TIME SCAMMER.
I funded 60euro together with my wife and my brother on the 11th June and today 3 “packages” arrived. Not a “cheque/check” as indicated in last email from GPP admin. I wish to see all members receive their payout and not to be scammed by evil people.
Good luck
Comment by KK — 3rd July 2010 @ 12:37 pm
In spite of warning us against the pdf. mail why GPP have not posted the mail of Euro20 courier fee in their backoffice. So the GPP update mail which we have received before stating us to send Euro20 is also fake.
Comment by eagertoearn — 3rd July 2010 @ 1:00 pm
All I know is that if GPP intends to pay, they better do so without expecting another dime from me. Time to put up or shut up! Quite a scam they have going cause it never ends. Now it seems even more scammers are in on the act. GPP or not, it’s all BS!
Comment by sleeper — 3rd July 2010 @ 1:40 pm
Hmm proof that website has been hacked by hackers : i tried updating my profile and it never works. it says updated but whenever i go back to check it still has my old info
Comment by Lucy — 3rd July 2010 @ 4:08 pm
To KK:
Please, May you put some kind of proof (photo of the content and the envelope, for example)?
At least share with us what do you doing exactly and when you paid. Do you follow exactly the requirements of the GPP Admin email or do other thing?
Send you 20 Euros expecting receive a check? and Do you receive a debit card instead? Yes or not?
FOR ALL OS US IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT REAL USERS SHARE YOOR EXPERIENCES TO GAIN TRUST IN GPP.
Thanks in advance.
Comment by Manny — 4th July 2010 @ 4:22 pm
Lucy, after you update you have to click the “save” icon or else your changes revert back. Also there is a update at the GPP site today.
Comment by pulsar — 4th July 2010 @ 4:22 pm
Hello
My opinion is if the email that was sent comes
GPP, then it is more likely that GPP is a fraud, so absurd that is what they say, that to send payment by check, which says in the email is absurd
and you have to pay 20 euros to the account of LR and C-Gold of GPP.
two possibilities
1 .- GPP is being hacked or
2 .- GPP wants to get more money from members, which ultimately is found that if GPP scam.
Comment by Billly — 4th July 2010 @ 7:23 pm
May i kick David in the balls ?
Comment by P — 4th July 2010 @ 11:15 pm
It seems
Latest post of July 2, 2010 the official forum of GPP has not closed, continue to raise money
and continue to sell more policies through LR and C-gold, and
Not speak any payments
and it is very sad that after waiting several months after the January 8, 2010,
we come with this latest message, without mentioning anything about payments.
. GPP is making fun of the members.
Comment by Billly — 5th July 2010 @ 12:13 am
i’m well and truely lost!
Comment by random passer by — 5th July 2010 @ 10:15 am
Well lets just see what comes of these rumours!
Comment by Faye — 5th July 2010 @ 11:38 am
from a forum :
THE PERSON BEHIND THE FAKE DEBIT CARD IS NONE OTHER THAN WARREN ENGLISH !!!!!
REMEMBER HIS “MEGA PENSION PLAN” (MPP) ?? THAT’S WHERE HE GOT PERSONAL INFO OF MANY GPP MEMBERS !!!
HE USED THAT INFORMATION TO SCAM MORE MONEY AFTER HIS MPP “FAILED” SPECTACULARY !!!
Forward this warning to everyone you know !!! IT’S WARREN ENGLISH !!!!
Comment by Robert — 5th July 2010 @ 2:18 pm
Umm, what happened to David? Im still waiting for that explanation.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 5th July 2010 @ 2:56 pm
Oh! After scrolling back a page, I see that David DID explain why he and Hans had the same IP address. My error, I didnt see that post. He stated that he and Hans are co workers, and he showed him this forum I guess at work.
Thank you for the explanation, even though it was pretty lame, I frankly dont believe it for a second, but what ever, who am I right?!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 5th July 2010 @ 4:28 pm
SCha right!
Comment by Faye — 5th July 2010 @ 5:04 pm
After reading other forums, and hearing the back and forth stuff, I strongly believe that there arent any hackers.
Its some guy running GPP, sending out emails to people to start a panic, to stirr up contraversy, to have people at each others throats, just to keep people guessing, to stall….All the while he is sitting on the beach with his laptop on his lap, and a fruity drink in hand, rading all the hub bub on the forums and laughing.
Just my opinion.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 5th July 2010 @ 10:42 pm
Friends Thanks for the link, I could see is real.tengan faith, let us not confuse by fraudsters. Well I think we will reach everyone. I hope 20 is not going to ruin me, wait for the package or the check. Thanks for the link. God bless.
I get the feeling that Charon could be a scammer.
City. If equiboco me good, I apologize. the eagles are loose.
Regards
Amigos Gracias por el enlace, lo pude ver es real.tengan fe, no nos dejemos confundir por los estafadores. Bueno pienso que nos va llegando a todos. Espero que 20 no me van a arruinar, esperaré el paquete u el cheque. Gracias por el enlace. Dios los bendiga.
Me da la sensación que charón podrÃa ser un estafador.
Ciudado. Si me equiboco bueno, me disculpa. las águilas están sueltas.
Saludos.
Comment by PIQUI — 6th July 2010 @ 6:39 am
If any of you still have not figured out this is a scam, their last update should convince you it is. According to their update, they said there were 20 banks who were going to be doing the payouts. For the total amount of cash that has to be paid out for this to be real, would require the top 200 banks in the world, and they would be out of cash and have to fold. But 20 banks! I am still laughing so hard my sides are hurting.
Comment by EagleOne — 7th July 2010 @ 3:32 pm
Same ..”ohhh its so funny how 20 banks bla bla bla ” message on all the forums lyndell. Get a fokking life
Comment by Rob — 7th July 2010 @ 6:15 pm
Hi all
it seems many members are excited about the payments and are hoping to send 20 euros to the accounts of LR and GPP,, say they have received a check,
but this seems absurd, the first email sent from support of GPP is absurd.
In the official forum of GPP, no mention about the first email, just mention that the PDF document in circulation are fake, they do not say that it is false the first email which was sent from the same stand GPP,
In summary it appears that either the site is taken over by hackers, or possible GPP scam
is possible that in the next few days aparescan something in the forum on the first email, but we wonder who are delaying to post something on the official forum and see but with the suspicion that want to continue to receive more money, which makes it has GPP in fraud.
Billy
Comment by Billly — 7th July 2010 @ 11:54 pm
Hola Rosa, vi los formatos bien los analicé. y que bueno que esto tenga alguna veracidad. Que sea verdad. Que bueno que nos dieran otra pista.Parece que el primer correo, que llegó por fuera de GPP, PODRÃA SER VERDADERO. Y ENVIÉ MIS 20 EUROS EL 19 DE JUNIO . ESPEREMOS EL ORO Y PROBAMOS. DE LO CONTRARIO ESTARÉ INFORMANDO. SALUDOS A TODOS.
uyyyyyyyyyyyyy oro
Hello Rosa, I saw the formats well analyzed. And I am glad that this has any veracity. That is true. Good thing they gave us another pista.Parece the first post, which came out of GPP, COULD BE TRUE. And send my 20 EUROS ON 19 JUNE. WAITING FOR THE GOLD and tested. Be informed otherwise. GREETINGS TO ALL.
gold uyyyyyyyyyyyyy
Comment by PIQUI — 8th July 2010 @ 5:44 am
Hey people please don’t beleive this it is a real joke he is not be able to prove his a member his self don’t send money to him you are all ready lost a lot with gpp and open your ligths he use google mail GPP never use google mail he is the hackers and his last message it is a real joke refund money in September if he do not have 10,000 cards sold???? comme on stop to send him money
here his last message
HERE’S the CARROT!
Do they really have 7000 card orders or are they just saying theat to get you to part with your money? Dunno.
We now have almost 7,000 card orders, thanks to a very large group in China. Special thanks to the CEO of the
company and our appointed Agent for China who have organized the bulk order. We now only need about 3,000
card orders left. Note that the minimum quota is 10,000 card orders, NOT 10,000 members.
As you should have been advised by your Agents, the deadline is September 30th, 2010. If we do not have
10,000 card orders by September 30th, all Debit Card orders will be cancelled and all payments will be REFUNDED
by Liberty Reserve to your originating payer’s account. GPP payout will be put on hold as the GPP Admin finds another payment solution and this will take time.
However if we do have 10,000 card orders by September 30th, GPP payout will start by the debit cards. The first
batch of 10,000 cards will be funded and if no problem arises, the second batch will be prepared. Everything will
depend on what happens by September 30th, 2010.
from Ber – THIS STILL DOESN’T address the people we know who have already received. I know of one for
positively sure. They are not talking about these people. Reading between the lines, according to group B, no one has received.
Please stop to beleive anything to try to make money you will lose your last penny, don’t beleive that ****…
Comment by melissa — 8th July 2010 @ 11:49 am
If Berry Balls gives them good name after some research it is gave me with his IP adress
Berry Balls 4392 NW Gustafson RD
Sylverdale , WA 983839678 US
phone number:360-692-6626
So if it is the right person back of GPP round 2 and if his honnest here is an address I found with the white US page his got tree business Homestead???? something and with the research of berry.details on the internet it’s bring me to the same reference in Sylverdale so if it is not an identity stole if you lose your money go to see this guy Berry Balls with the info I wrote you rigth now
Comment by melissa — 8th July 2010 @ 12:02 pm
Here his ip address to Berry Balls GPP round2
Reverse Whois:”Berry Ball” owns about4 other domains Email Search: is associated with about 5 domains
Registrar History:2 registrars NS History:1 change on 2 unique name servers over 8 years. IP History:4 changes on 4 unique name servers over 5 years. Whois History:86 records have been archived since 2001-07-25 . Dedicated Hosting:detailshere.com is hosted on a dedicated server. Log In or Create a FREE account to start monitoring this domain name DomainTools for Windows®
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Registrant:
Berry Ball
4392 NW Gustafson Rd
Silverdale, WA 98383
United States
Domain Name: DETAILSHERE.COM
Created on: 08-Jul-99
Expires on: 08-Jun-12
Last Updated on: 08-Jun-09
Administrative Contact:
Ball, Berry
4392 NW Gustafson Rd
Silverdale, WA 98383
United States
3603534728 Fax — 8017205687
Technical Contact:
Ball, Berry
4392 NW Gustafson Rd
Silverdale, WA 98383
United States
3603534728 Fax — 8017205687
Domain servers in listed order:
NS2.ZWEBHOST.COM
NS1.ZWEBHOST.COM
search with white pages
Berry W Ball Is this you? Edit
4392 NW Gustafson Rd
Silverdale, WA 98383-9678
(360) 692-6626
Age: 65+
Household: Barry W Ball,
Berry W Ball
4392 NW Gustafson Rd
Silverdale, WA 98383-9678
(360) 692-6626
Job: Homestead Heating, President
So if it is the good person on GPP round2 and it is not a STOLEN IDENTITY here who is back of GPP like a special agent
Comment by melissa — 8th July 2010 @ 12:23 pm
September?! Yeah, another “Final” deadline! Guess they want everyone to shut up for a couple of months. A bit predictable though about the yet another goal they have.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th July 2010 @ 4:33 pm
@Picqui: I cant tell if you are believing GPP, or not believing?
And as far as this Berry Ball guy is concerned, frankly, I have to question anyone who would sell anything and everything for the simple sake to make a buck. I mean, I need money, Im a single mom, but I wouldnt sell something if I didnt believe in it. Not alot of integrity there, I can see him running a puppy mill just to get some cash and not caring about the animals involved. But the Biggest turn off was his page about Salvation! And the endless drivel about the end of days. Im sure he gets paid out of something with that, maybe from the other sites he recomends reading? How are you gonna sell Acai Berry diet pills on one page, then rattle on about end of days on another? And if the end is coming, why sell diet pills? Your God doesnt care if your skinny, right? And money wont help you, if the end is imminent.
LOL – Its too random and far inbetween. I dont know, thats just how I interpret that. So he lost my vote when I read all that.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th July 2010 @ 4:48 pm
It’s BERRY Ball. He’s a well-known, long-time scam promoter. Anything that you see that he’s involved in, run from. He’s another Wayne McLean, Ben Seigler, Boulat, John Noakes type of bullshltter. He often works with Warren English, the guy behind the failed Mega Pension Plan scam, promoting their lastest scam-of-the-month as appears to be the case here also. Google “Berry Ball” and “Warren English” and scam and you should find enough info on his past involvement in similar rip-offs to convince you that it’s just another of his scams.
Comment by UnFinnished — 9th July 2010 @ 3:36 am
AT THIS POINT I THINK GPP IS A BIG FRAUD OVER ONE MONTH THE MONEY ARE SEND TO THEM NO CHECKS,NO MAILS, NO NEWS, WITH IMPERIA INVEST NO POST NO CARD AND WE WAS SUPPOSED TO USE AN IBANK SOLUTION ON MIDDLE OF JULY WITH WHAT WHEN SOMEONE GET A BANK ACCOUNT THIS PERSON ARE SUPPOSED TO SIGN PAPER AND RETURN FILE FOR THAT SOMEWHERE AND IT IS TAKE TIME AND EVERYTHINGS AND FOR BUY WHAT GOLD AND SYLVER WHAT’S THAT A BIG JOKE , IMPERIA IT IS A BIG FAKE DREAM THEY PLAY WITH OVER 200,000 PEOPLES SELL DREAM AND THEM GET RICH WITH OUR MONEY I ENCOURAGE A LOT MEMBERS TO DEPOSIT COMPLAIN ABOUT THIS INTERNET BIG SCAM , I KNOW IT IS TO LATE FOR THE ONE WHO SPEND BIG MONEY ON IMPERIA INVEST BUT IF WE CAN PREVENT OTHER FRAUD LIKE IMPERIA INVEST IBC,GPP,HCI25,PWW4U,Q QUATRO,THEMCO THE NEW BORN OF GPP, GLOBALCONNECTPENSIONPLAN AND MORE PLEASE MAKE A MOVE ONLY ONE COMPLAIN IT IS NOT A OFF FOR RELEASE THE PROBLEM WITH ALL REVERSE PENSION PLAN A OFF IS A OFF TO MAKE LAFT AT US AND MAKE STEAL OUR MONEY.ONLY ONE PERSON IT IS NOT A OFF TO MAKE PRESSURE ON ALL OF THOSE BANDIT WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER AND WITH THE TIME WE CAN GET A RESULT , LIKE GPP ANOTHER BIG JOKE THEY CAME BACK ONLY FOR STOLE MORE MONEY FROM US MANY PEOPLE SEND THE MONEY AT THE FIRST BEGINNING THEY SEND THE LETTERS NO ONE GET ANY CHECKS OR CARDS OR WHAT EVER AND YOU WILL RECEIVE NONE THEY ONLY WANT TO STEAL YOU AGAIN BECAUSE IT MIST SOME MONEY FOR THEM RETIRED PLAN PLEASE WAKE UP TO MUCH MONEY ARE LOST AT THIS MOMENT TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE IN 2010 FOR POOR PEOPLE WHO GAVE THEM MONEY AND BOUTGH THEM DREAM…
here you find many site all over the world to deposit your complaint
http://www.phonebusters.com/english/index.html
FOR canada,
http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx
Filing a Complaint with IC3 ,
http://www.fraud.org/
Comment by Alli — 9th July 2010 @ 10:55 am
at EagleOne
why shouldn’t 20 banks be not enough?? If you can get money out with your card or whatsoever only once or twice and then it disappears ….:)
Comment by saleil — 9th July 2010 @ 9:06 pm
Hi all
apparently there are already some days and Global Pension Plan does not speak of the first email, supposedly sent by them, that leaves a lot to think and brings confusion to many members.
This is just a suspicion at a meeting I had with several members, I hope that is not real but it could have happened this.The
hackers infiltrated the GPP database, and that first email was the one stored in the GPP database to publish in the coming days or weeks.
The hackers sent by email the message that was stored in the database of Global Pension Plan to all members, and that’s what we get from the same stand GPP.
My conclusion is that the first email that was sent was already stored in the database hackers GPP and published it by sending an email to all members.
In short if the email, which is absolutely absurd what is said there about sending checks, and if the email is not GPP, and for several days in the GPP forum have said they are not theirs, but not have said, so it may be of them, which would be closer to the truth and that GPP was always a fraud, but very well planned and at any time the web is no longer possible for this.
Comment by Billly — 9th July 2010 @ 11:40 pm
saleil: In regard to your question: why shouldn’t 20 banks be not enough?? If you can get money out with your card or whatsoever only once or twice and then it disappears ….:), the reason is take the total number of members claimed, 130,000, and then multiply that by the amount being able to be withdrawn from each single ATM withdrawal, and then multiply that by the number of ATM withdrawals allowed per day; and 20 banks cannot handle that much cash out at one time. We are talking CASH. This would keep them from being able to meet their cash to assets ratio as required by the banking regulations. In short, they would have their bank shut down for failure to maintain adequate cash reserves. We are not talking millions here, but Billions. And throw in this economic worldwide meltdown, and it is impossible for 20 banks, let alone 200 banks to do these ATM withdrawals.
But there is so many other issues that makes this impossible. It is impossible for one insurance company to underwrite these many policies, and then throw in premiums will differ by the age of the applicant tosses all their projections for annual premium out the window. It costs far more for a 50 year old than a 20 year old in annual premiums, yet they keep the premiums costs the same. Not possible.
This last round of which admin is sending out the E-mails, the different types of methods being tossed around as to how payment will be made, and if this does not convince you this is all a scam, then nothing will.
I hope this helped.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th July 2010 @ 7:35 am
Hola melissa, estoy confundido, me podris explicar y aclarar el comentario. De donde salió el mensaje del 30 de septiembre, a mi no me ha llegado.Su comentario está interesante. Puedes ayudarme?
Gracias.
PIQUI
Hi melissa, I’m confused, I podris explain and clarify the commentary. Where did the message of September 30, I do not have llegado.Su comment is interesting. Can you help?
Thank you.
Piqui
Comment by PIQUI — 10th July 2010 @ 3:35 pm
Hola melissa, estoy confundido, me podris explicar y aclarar el comentario. De donde salió el mensaje del 30 de septiembre, a mi no me ha llegado.Su comentario está interesante. Puedes ayudarme?
Gracias.
PIQUI
Hi melissa, I’m confused, I podris explain and clarify the commentary. Where did the message of September 30, I do not have llegado.Su comment is interesting. Can you help?
Thank
Please light me you talk about what message thank you
Comment by melissa — 10th July 2010 @ 3:58 pm
Hi does anyone know about the origin of these debit cards? I heard they were fake from Indonesia but how do I research that?
Comment by dodi — 11th July 2010 @ 1:06 pm
I also wonder about new program ThemCo ? Terry Gilder??
Comment by dodi — 11th July 2010 @ 1:09 pm
Hola TODOS. qUIERO SABER Si ya le llegó algun paquete a ustedes miembros de este foro. Si es afirmativo por favor informarnos. Yo ya envié mis 20 euros desde el 19 de junio y hasta ahora nada que llega.
Si hay alguna información al respecto, avisenos por favor.
PIQUI.
Hello ALL. and he wants to know if you got any package members of this forum. If yes please inform us. I already sent my 20 euros from 19 June and so far nothing comes.
If there is any information, please let us know.
Piqui
Comment by PIQUI — 11th July 2010 @ 6:59 pm
EagleOne: My question was not meant very serious. I wanted to point to the fact even if one gets a debit card or a cheque that doesn’t mean at all the money will also be payed.
Comment by saleil — 12th July 2010 @ 2:17 am
I send to GPP the money for my shipping cost on june 14 and I received nothing yet and I only pay bgecause that story became so far but hope to received anything from them it will be a very big surprise… I thing it is all fraud like HCI25 they are dissepear somewhere in the atmosphère….
Comment by melissa — 12th July 2010 @ 4:18 pm
Piqui:
No one got cards, no one got checks. All lies, all “hackers” (but really there are no hackers, just some guy with a laptop on a beach having a laugh at our expense.)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 12th July 2010 @ 4:24 pm
What happened to David?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 13th July 2010 @ 3:35 pm
Latest news and research
Several members are sending 20 euros a GPP to Liberty reserve account and C-Gold, and are not receiving any package or check.
GPP not inform anything about the first email about shipment of 20 euros in the forum.
Thus we can conclude that if the mail is not GPP and hackers.
GPP is a scam,
and if it is not GPP can not say that it is but it is evidence that GPP scam.
Comment by Billly — 13th July 2010 @ 7:37 pm
SAD is OVER…..Move on leason learned.
For those who claimed to have “reliable sources” or “reliale upline”!
PLEASE STOP. Nothing is REAL in this program.
Comment by She — 14th July 2010 @ 6:15 am
Read Terrys info about the GPP story here: http://members.themco.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=section&layout=blog&id=9&Itemid=59
Comment by Member — 15th July 2010 @ 4:04 pm
Terry’s full post:
“GPP – The Truth, The Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth”
Written by themco
Wednesday, 14 July 2010 10:29
As you may or may not know (we have many many more readers now), in the early days, 2006, we were very close to Stella, the Admin for GPP, and assisted her/them directly and indirectly on a number of fronts.
Firstly this involved providing a weekly ‘Time Line Forecast’ that we had developed for TeamTHEMCO members who had joined GPP. This we produced every week through until the GPP membership reached a target total of 100,000.
Secondly we advised on the relationship of the US Dollar to the Euro. Many members who joined in the last three years will not realise that GPP was originally launched in USD, but the US Dollar had become very weak at the end of 2006 and we persuaded GPP to change currencies in favour of the Euro, which made our position as investors, 30% better off.
Thirdly we were asked to assist with boosting the uptake of memberships at the end of 2006, so we came up with a ‘Buy O ne get One Free’ promotion which increased the number of members by 50% in just 2.5 weeks.
In 2008, we put together a scheme for TeamTHEMCO members to enhance the Charity Fund for Stella’s Children’s Charity raising nearly €25 Million for her.
So that is the background on which we make the following ‘personal comments and observations’:
Quite frankly we have no way of giving an informed view on the information that is currently flying about on the forums/newsletters etc., on the internet. We have no direct dealings with GPP who have always been anonymous, apart from a period of less than a month, when Stella and the writer communicated via Google chat/messaging.
However there are a number of FACTS that we can reveal.
During the time we provided the Time Line Forecast (TLF) service, Stella advised us that she had successfully conducted negotiations, with a company in China, who was rewarding their staff, following an exceptional year of trading, by giving each of them a membership to GPP. There was a total of 11,880 of these Chinese members which had to be integrated into the TLF and we saw that it would impinge on our system. Therefore we sought Stella’s direction as to when they should be integrated into the TLF and we were told the end of March beginning of April. This we did and our calculations reflected this increase in numbers accordingly.
Once the 100K had been reached, the member counter was frozen at 100K by GPP, but as new members joined they were added to the system, since each of us had a unique number to identify us in the GPP database. Issued sequentially of course.
The 100K was accumulated by the August of 2007 and at the beginning of 2008 we were shown how to access, monitor and explore the GPP database, by a clever Scandinavian TeamTHEMCO member. This was at a time when GPP were telling us that a 100K of qualifying members had not been achieved and we were being encouraged to acquire more additional policies (APs).
Firstly, accessing the database gave us the exact number of registered members and confirmed our thoughts, that GPP were deliberately feeding us misleading information and brought their honesty into question.
Secondly we tracked back to the end of March and the beginning of April (actually to the beginning of the year to be sure) and could not find a single Chinese member. So the ‘story’ of the 11,880 bonus memberships was a fabrication to accelerate the registration of members, through fear of loss.
So on these two counts alone the honesty of the GPP management was shown to be lacking, which is always a bad sign, and even more poignant when dealing with a company hiding behind anonymity.
To use a baseball analogy – ’Strike Two’.
The Children’s Charity ingredient of the GPP opportunity, was a credibility endorsement, to make potential members feel good about GPP and what they were promising us, they could do.
Many internet transactions include an association with a Charity or three, so that this element of the transaction is not uncommon.
GPP had always indicated from the beginning an involvement with the BreadForKids programme, http://www.breadforkids.org/ operated by CEF – The Children of Ecuador Foundation and displayed the CEF button prominently on their website.
As mentioned earlier the very generous TeamTHEMCO members had raised an enormous sum of money for Stella’s/ GPP’s Children’s charity, CEF. So we were more than a little put out when CEF started to disassociate themselves with GPP, see their website above and click on ‘ Notes: Please read – Sep ’08’ left hand side menu, by making such public statements indeed.
Because it was in the interest of all our TeamTHEMCO members in 2008, we wanted to protect the good name of GPP. So off our own back we wrote to CEF and tried to persuade them to remove the public statement referred to above from their website – without success obviously. We did this because we were concerned that it would affect the overall GPP project.
We also tried to influence them to agree to our request, in that we felt confident that we could get GPP to allocate a goodly amount of the fund the TeamTHEMCO members had raised. We failed to persuade them or even get a response to our mail, obviously GPP had really upset them.
From the CEF website you will learn that GPP should never have been allowed to publish the CEF button on the GPP website. Therefore, any references to an association with CEF, by GPP, was less than truthful.
This leaves a nasty taste in the mouth and once again challenges the integrity of GPP.
Strike three – and they are out.
Final item for the GPP epitaph.
When TeamTHEMCO were accumulating the Children’s Charity Fund and it had reached €9M, we wrote to Stella and received a very warm response, in which she said that it had brought a tear to her eye. Nice.
When we wrote to her again with the final figure, just short of €25M, we did not get a reply. We considered that very strange and concerning, but nothing more than that.
Well that is our personal experience with GPP and due to the conflicting RUMORS flying about, we felt we should introduce a few facts that may help our readers, to make a measured decision on how they see the future with regard to GPP and any expectations.
In conclusion:
We finally received at reply to our letter to CEF on 12th June 2010 and we reproduce it below in its entirety:
Comment by Ben — 15th July 2010 @ 5:35 pm
So does this mean then that its the “official” end? Or is this another non existant “hacker” at work?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th July 2010 @ 11:26 pm
You decide.
Comment by Puncak — 16th July 2010 @ 11:40 am
interesting about the charity… what a shame they actually cost them money.
Doesn’t look good though, does it? I am slightly confused though…
Comment by random passer by — 16th July 2010 @ 1:24 pm
Yup, I have decided. I think this is their way of saying, we believed too, but they turned out to be a lie, so go away now your not getting anything. A “graceful” back out, so that people wont think they were part of the scam, so that they can sell more stuff later on.
And just a side note, I had read up about Bread for Kids in 2008, and they have learned how to spell better since then! Hmmm, fake reply from BFK?? It doesnt matter I guess, its over.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 16th July 2010 @ 3:28 pm
Hi all,
People are reporting receiving packages. Someone was in the chat last night on the talkshoe call of reporting landings everywhere of people receiving in the UK from the 20 euro process. They also indicated that it had to be paid in euro not USD. So you decide. Listen to the talkshoe call from last night.
Comment by Happy — 16th July 2010 @ 4:41 pm
Why would anyone believe anything coming from Wayne McLean on Talkshoe? He’s a liar and a con man. He started out pushing GPP to people through Ben Seigler who was jailed for fraud. Then he picked up where Ben left off and is doing the same thing. He’s just trying to get people to send him more money.
Comment by UnFinnished — 16th July 2010 @ 5:23 pm
I live 2 exits from Wayne……believe me Wayne doesn’t need referral or your processing money. He is a very kind and a very honest man. Take responsibility for your own actions. Why did the government return money from a scam? Can someone answer that for me.
Comment by Happy — 16th July 2010 @ 9:13 pm
@Happy:
Terry’s email contradicts what you are saying. Who is right, Terry or Wayne?
Please explain regarding this government giving money back thing. And where you found this information.
Thanks.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 16th July 2010 @ 10:13 pm
The money that Ben Seigler collected on behalf of GPP was returned to me by the government. Nothing I read…..it’s a fact. The government never returns funds that are collected if they are associated with a scam or fraud. Not at least from what my sis advised me that works for the FBI. I’m not trying to convince anyone just making a valid point. I’m in the same position as you.
Comment by Happy — 16th July 2010 @ 11:56 pm
Where’s the low life conman Kelvin Ho & gang?
Busy cheating GPP members 20 euro.
Comment by Noor — 17th July 2010 @ 2:34 am
Hi
The people that have received their packages in UK, What have received, Check, Checks or Card?
Comment by Manny — 17th July 2010 @ 11:42 am
@Manny
They didn’t divulge that information. Sorry…..
Comment by Happy — 17th July 2010 @ 1:31 pm
Also….@ Manny
Someone asked in the chatroom of the talkshoe call that night and the person indicated NDA. So you decide….
Comment by Happy — 17th July 2010 @ 4:33 pm
Hi I allready payed 20 eur but nothing happend a wated for 4 weeks now for fedex to come with a package to me but nothing)))))))):
Comment by 9900 — 17th July 2010 @ 7:35 pm
I don’t want to accused no body in cause of GPP, Imperia Invest IBC, HCI25 and all reverse pension plan but I think Judahlion site have been run by the promotor of that all RPP because it is so much think about charity and this and that and Olga R Bedward honnor of Judahlion site are on top of an organisation of charity like Breadforkids…
I think if an inquiry have to be the RCMP , FBI or what ever have to start by this way and I think my self it will be easy to find all the bandits…
Comment by Melissa — 17th July 2010 @ 7:53 pm
What about Terrys email, you didnt answer my question Happy?
No one has ever mentioned getting some type of refund from the government on behalf of GPP, thats a new one, and I go on several forums.
Why is it exactly that the government was involved in your case? Are you here in the usa? What branch of government? Is Ben that preacher guy that had all the Gpp money under his mattress? Maybe thats why they returned the money to you, he was acting independently from gpp, he simply stole money. Not the same scenario. Had nothing to do with what gpp is doing, thats probably why you got anything.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 17th July 2010 @ 9:24 pm
@If it walks like a duck
I’m not here to debate.
I’m in the same position as you. I
understand where you are coming from.
No comment on Terry’s post.
Hope everything works out for us all.
Comment by Happy — 17th July 2010 @ 9:43 pm
@ Happy
Thanks for the info about Talshoe. Will be very interisting to know if the people have receive check/s or card.
I always think that receive a check with this amount of money, millions in some cases, will be a big problem for the owner, because that I think that this “check history” I see it very strange.
Comment by Manny — 17th July 2010 @ 10:37 pm
@Manny
I’ve never heard of any rumors ever being of receiving a check.
Comment by Happy — 17th July 2010 @ 11:16 pm
@Happy
Then, It is possible that this people have received a card, or only the NDA and other documentation, instead of the check paying the 20 Euro courier fee? Sorry, my english is not very well 🙂
Sorry, again, if I seem very repetitive :-), but as you know there is much confusion with this issue and many specific details are unclear, because that all information received I like to compare it with others that I have.
Thanks.
Comment by Manny — 18th July 2010 @ 10:49 am
Happy,
Im not debating either, just sorting things out. Too much nonsense going on in the gpp world, trying to sort out the Calvin Ho’s from real people.
Thank you for your responses!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 18th July 2010 @ 8:12 pm
@Manny
I couldn’t have worded it any better.
Comment by Happy — 18th July 2010 @ 11:30 pm
@IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK
I’m right there with you. You are quite welcome!
Hopefully I will know something concrete very soon.
Comment by Happy — 18th July 2010 @ 11:34 pm
@ Happy
Thanks again, and we waiting your updates impatience :-), and if they come with some facts better.
Let’s see if we move a bit forward between the “two fronts” open “20 Euros vs $25/$75)” so people know what to do exactly.
Greetings.
Comment by Manny — 19th July 2010 @ 1:10 pm
Right, I have been away and there is shed loads of reading to do, can someone please put it in a nut shell for me pls what is new and what isnt! Ducky…
Comment by Faye — 19th July 2010 @ 2:14 pm
No one has received a cheque or card from either the original gpp scammers (cheque) or the new gpp scammers (card).
Comment by gppisascam — 19th July 2010 @ 3:23 pm
@Faye:
I hope you had a nice time wherever you were!
Okay, here we go, you may remember that it was established that both emails were from “hackers”, Well, then comes an update which Ben was kind enough to cut and paste here on the forum from Terry at Themco, and in a nutshell, he stated that they used to believe in GPP, but have since found that maybe they dont really believe anymore (thats how I interpreted it anyway), in a very lengthy statement, they rambled on about the beginnings with Stella and ended up with the Bread for Kids donations that didnt seem to make it to the Bread for Kids foundation.
Yet the rumors of people getting “packages” in the mail are still continuing thru some talk show called talk shoe with Wayne Mclean (?).
So in short, everyone is confused and were basically back to square one.
Welcome back! 🙂
How are we feeling Random? Any news?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 19th July 2010 @ 3:45 pm
@ Happy
“The money that Ben Seigler collected on behalf of GPP was returned to me by the government. Nothing I read…..it’s a fact. The government never returns funds that are collected if they are associated with a scam or fraud.”
The government typically sees that any money obtained through illegal activities is returned to victims. It would be a very unusual circumstance when that doesn’t happen. And as a distinct point that shoots down your whole logic is the fact that Ben Seigler is sitting in jail right now after being convicted of fraud and his own admission to lying about all of the information that he claimed to have about GPP being a real operation. Wayne McLean originally promoted sending your money to Ben as a trusted source and still backed him later. Which tells you a lot about how much Wayne really knows and his judgement. That was before Wayne decided that he could do the same thing that Ben Seigler was doing and cash in himself.
Comment by UnFinnished — 20th July 2010 @ 3:01 am
@unfinnished
Again, I’m not here to convince or debate.
We all have an opinion.
Ben collected funds and didn’t forward my funds to
GPP’s account on my behalf that which would have created access to a back office. He collected funds and stuffed his mattress etc. I never sent anything to Wayne only to Ben. Being that I’m surrounded by government emps I will bow out gracefully at this point.
Wishing everyone great success in whatever your endeavors are.
Wayne is only providing a service and I would expect anyone that takes on the masses to be compensated for their time.
Comment by Happy — 20th July 2010 @ 4:05 am
“Wayne is only providing a service and I would expect anyone that takes on the masses to be compensated for their time.”
Wayne should be put in prison as an accessory to fraud. He is still encouraging people to join all these RPP programs (long after they have shown themselves to be scams) so he can make money as a middleman. He is scum.
Comment by gppisascam — 20th July 2010 @ 12:52 pm
Good luck Happy.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 20th July 2010 @ 3:18 pm
I am bored at work, and went browsing on the net and found a site regarding a online “money making opportunity” called Thirty Dollar Unit (TDU).http://www.thirtydollarunitscam.com/
Is this something new? If not, where have I been?! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 21st July 2010 @ 6:47 pm
Sorry, too late to lose your money to TDU. It’s another RPP type scam that’s already scammed. Try searching for Thirty Dollar Unit and adding scam.
Comment by UnFinnished — 21st July 2010 @ 7:45 pm
Yeah, thats the site I found! I had just never heard of that one.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 21st July 2010 @ 7:50 pm
still waiting for baby!
Findind all this GPP stuff hard to follow…. wish it would end either way so people can move on…. my friends dad is hanging on for this money and it does worry me- he needs it. Poor man,
Comment by random passer by — 23rd July 2010 @ 11:43 am
My goodness Random, out with it already! lol (caster oil, long walks, spicy food..)
I know, my friend really needs this too, its such a shame how they are doing things. Very disappointing.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd July 2010 @ 11:01 pm
That is the problem with scams like this. There are many who desperately need the money, and they fall for these scams thinking they are real. The people behind this have no conscious at all at stealing their money, and then dragging out the process with updates giving them false hope it will really happen. They are lower than low. All the pimps of this program are no better than the perps behind it. I don’t know how they can live with themselves knowing they are destroying lives and families with all this false hope.
Throw in a couple of additional scammers who wanted to ‘cash-in’ on the feeding frenzy of renewed hope with the bogus check and card scam, and all they have done is add misery on top of misery. Amazing that even afer being warned, they still paid out “hoping” the end truly was in sight and they would get paid.
I do hope the authorities are on to all of them, and one day will throw the book at all of them, including the pimps. They all deserve to go to prison for a long, long time.
Comment by EagleOne — 25th July 2010 @ 7:14 am
I agree EO, 100%!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 26th July 2010 @ 3:47 pm
I don’t understand why the authorities can’t cacht all the scammer because they are very easy to cacht by Liberty reverse account someone have to cash the money somewhere with his real name and deposit this money in a bank account with his real name I don’t understand why the scammer can do what they want it is very simple for the authorities to cacht them the authorities are not a off efficient because in tree click and show them authorities and they can cacht all the scammer…
Comment by melissa — 26th July 2010 @ 4:04 pm
I think the scammers are quite intelligent- there will be several accounts which are hard to trace- maybe several people operating in several countries?… Who knows- it isn’t a simple scam….
and they have huge amounts of IDs so it will be easy to set up fake accounts.
who knows how they are doing it.
I would love to get the full story.
What makes me quite angry- some people only lost £25 and can afford it- but many people spent much more on multiple policies, and family policies…. My friend invested over £400 which he can’t afford.
Comment by random passer by — 26th July 2010 @ 7:05 pm
Right, I mean, they have you give your money to Egold (cgold, whatever) then they in turn give it to them (gpp), isnt that called money laundering? I think that they have it figured out to a tee on how not to get caught. I agree, they are smart little boogers.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 27th July 2010 @ 3:40 pm
That Barry Ball guy hasnt updated his website since 7/2/10, wonder what happened to him (and that David guy too)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 27th July 2010 @ 7:25 pm
@IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK
Ber only sends info via email if you are on his list.
Comment by Happy — 27th July 2010 @ 10:44 pm
I see! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 27th July 2010 @ 10:57 pm
Slaphappy, berry ball is a well known seial scammer.
Comment by gppisscam — 28th July 2010 @ 5:38 am
Hay que enviar esta carta dos veces, pues la primera es contestación automática.
Dear Sirs,
Recently you have confirmed that the SPECIAL AGENT e-mail was false and you also let us know that this e-mail could also be seen in our website.
However, you do not mention anything about the GPP update of June 8th, nor do you mention it in the website nor do you tell us why it is NOT posted in the FORUM.
This causes a lot of confusion because we do not know FOR A FACT THAT GPP sent the e-mail and that the accounts posted for the delivery of the cheques is correct.
When Stella was around, she was much more CONSIDERATE with the members and explained things more so that people would keep calm although 4 years is a VERY LONG TIME. Especially when the whole GPP team and sponsors have made us believe that we could get paid in UNDER 1 year.
Posted below is the letter that all the members have received or have been receiving but no other mention of it has been made. Please let us know that You will SOON be paying us and that THIS IS FOR REAL. If you did not write this letter, you must also tell us, although in this e-mail you mention that the program will be closing and now the website says it is closing.
By the way, according to International Law, the cost of mailing the checks should ALREADY be included in the cost of the policies and you SHOULDN’T charge us any additional amounts. I would like to add, that the GPP website ALSO states that we will NOT have to pay any other amounts…………………….
Although I was not happy about it, I have paid for the shipping charges for myself and all my downline so that you pay us AS SOON AS POSSIBLE.
I hope that soon you will confirm via the FORUM that the June 8th email posted below was sent by the Administration of this website. It would be greatly appreciated if you also told us WHEN you are going to pay us – I don’t think people will wait calmly for another 4 years.
Sincerely,
Comment by nuria — 28th July 2010 @ 8:23 am
@gppisscam
Please, can you put real proofs about that Ber is a well know scammer?
I think that will be interesting for all put in a balance all knowledged available to take the best possible decisions.
Thanks.
Comment by Manny — 28th July 2010 @ 12:17 pm
Hello Jahangeer Shaikh from India,
Ha ….ha ….Are you jocking? Royal Pension Plan!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wonder you Who copy Who??? (Excel Prestige Internation!)
Amazing, scammers never stop!
WE ARE NOT STUPID, my friend …ha…ha
Ducky, intrested? Here’s the contact::
Join Today
http://royalpensionplan.com/?ref=asjahangeer
Contact me:
Mail : asjahangeer@gmail.com
Cell : +91 9595541242
Comment by Don — 29th July 2010 @ 5:00 am
“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.”
Or, in this case, a skunk, by any other name would still smell terrible! (sorry Shakespeare)
No, Don, I wasnt even interested in GPP, let alone this Royal Pension Plan nonsense. Why’d you single me out?! lol
And who the hell is Jahangeer Shaikh from India? Did I miss something?
@Nuria: I dont think your going to get a response from GPP. I would have to think that many people try email gpp to find out what is going on.
@Manny: I have asked that question too, I wanted to know how do find out who is part of scams, and how can you find out IP addressess and such, but nobody answered me.
@Don: Have you gone by any other names here on this forum?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th July 2010 @ 4:05 pm
Hmmm, I had just posted a post, but it disappeared, so I will repost! Sorry if this is a duplicate….
@Don:
“What’s in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet.”
Or, in this case, a skunk, by any other name would smell as terrbile! (sorry Shakespeare)
Why would I be interested in this Royal whatever?! I wasnt even interested in GPP. What did you single me out for? lol
@Nuria: I would think that GPP gets thousands of emails wondering what is really going on with them, I dont think that you will get a response.
@Manny: I have asked that question too, how do you research these things? How do you get the IP information, who is involved with scams? But nobody answered me. I hope they answer you!
@Faye: Are you still out there? Any word on that payment you guy sent out to gpp?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th July 2010 @ 4:18 pm
okay, no posts going thru today?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th July 2010 @ 4:19 pm
Allrighty then! I posted two posts, and neither of them posted, then I made a test post, and it went thru. Whatever. Sorry if the other two show up.
No Don, I would not be interested in this Royal Pension Plan thing (A Rose by any other name would still smell as sweet- or in this case, a skunk by any other name would still smell as terrible!) I wasnt even interested in GPP. Why did you single ME out?! lol
Anyway, who is Jahangeer?
@Murnia: I would think that thousands of people are emailing gpp wondering what the scoop is, but I dont think that you will get a response.
@Manny: I have asked that question too, but no one answered me. I hope they answer you!
[Addition by Ben: Hi, sorry about that, I had the word “skunk” in the blacklisted words list so your comments were marked as spam. Just approved the comments so you should be able to see all three. Thanks]
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th July 2010 @ 4:27 pm
Holy cow. third post, not going thru.
Umm, no Don. Not interested! I wasnt interested in gpp, why would I be in Royal whatever? Why’d you single ME out?! lol Same ol’ ****, different name.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th July 2010 @ 4:29 pm
It must have been my “a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet” reference that doesnt post? (or **** by any other name would still smell like ****) sorry shakespeare! Is that why my post didnt go thru?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th July 2010 @ 4:31 pm
HaHaHa! That website for Royal Pension Plan has ONE active member, and 3 whole people visited the site! Thats pretty funny, thanks for the chuckle don. (of course I had to look it up silly! Im like a cat, courious…)
@Murina: I should think that thousands of people email gpp, but I dont think you will get a response.
@Manny: I have asked that question too, how do you research who is involved with online scams, how do you get IP addressess, but no one answered my questions. I hope they answer yours!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th July 2010 @ 4:46 pm
And who the hell is Jahangeer Shaikh from India?! thats a new name.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th July 2010 @ 8:33 pm
In regard to Berry Ball, I cannot think of one investment program that he has promoted that has not been a scam/Ponzi. Even his MLM track record is mostly scams. He and Warren English are in cohoots with each other, and neither one would know a legitimate program if it was in their face on a flashing neon sign. I would name all of his failed programs that were scams/Ponzi’s, but it would take up 2 pages, if not more. The same is true for Warren English, which both have pimped GPP to the max; and many believe they were the ones responsible for the card scam.
Comment by EagleOne — 30th July 2010 @ 8:20 am
Hi
“Thinks” and “Believes” these are all the “facts” about Ber.
Most of us, included me, promoted in the past this kind of business (GPP, etc), without know that were, or may be, scams, and due that we are not scammer, only a person that see an possibility to earn money thinking that may be in good way.
I may promote something without knowledge that may be a scam.
Comment by Manny — 30th July 2010 @ 1:27 pm
So you’re a bull***tting scam promoter too, like your idol Berry Ball ?
Comment by gppisscam — 30th July 2010 @ 6:00 pm
I would think that before you start promoting things, that you would do a little research on it first, otherwise people will blame you if it turns out to be a scam. Just sayin…
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 30th July 2010 @ 7:09 pm
@ the Duck… Ya think??? lol
“I may promote something without knowledge that may be a scam.”
And doing so makes you liable.
Comment by UnFinnished — 30th July 2010 @ 7:12 pm
@ Unfinished: LOL, Duh right?!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 30th July 2010 @ 9:52 pm
(I put it as nicely as I could! lol)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 30th July 2010 @ 9:54 pm
What’s happening at GPP?
Anyone !
Comment by Puncak — 2nd August 2010 @ 3:42 am
Puncak: Nothing, it is a scam.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd August 2010 @ 8:35 am
Holy cow Ben! I just went back to see if I missed anything, and All the posts showed up now, talk about repetative. lol
I think its funny that of all the words people use on this forum, that one word (that smelly black and white animal-pole cat) is the one that kicks things out! Too funny.
Well, nothing new here. Have a nice day everyone.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd August 2010 @ 8:47 pm
Eagle,
But, pepples are receiving “Mail Packages” all over.
I’m confused!!
Comment by Puncak — 4th August 2010 @ 11:13 am
No one anywhere has received a package from GPP, the only people who say that packages have been sent/received are lying bull****ters of several differnt kinds:-
1.) The original scammers GPP.
2.) Piggy back scammers Berry Ball/Warren English.
3.) Scam enablers who charge for exchanging e-currencies Wayne McLean.
4.) Referral whores with big downlines who have been knowingly or unknowingly promoting scams.
Avoid the following people and never believe anything the say they’re all total scum :
Wayne McLean, Berry Ball, Warren English, John Noakes, Dieter Henke, Estelle Thresher, Lori Ratner, Terry Gilder, Heather Wolf,
Comment by gppisascam — 4th August 2010 @ 12:55 pm
People have been saying they have been getting debit cards/packs for years now- each time we find out it’s all lies.
Comment by random passer by — 4th August 2010 @ 4:58 pm
Estelle Teammega is my sponsor. She used to be very supportive & repeated telling us that GPP will pay, it has been 8 months since our last communications & now that’s no way to contact her? Many email has been send but no respond!
I sponsored 20 members into her “benefactors” program. Ifpod a scam I want to know where my money goes?
Comment by Puncak — 5th August 2010 @ 5:51 am
Estelle Thresher from teammegawealth is a long term serial scam enabler
constantly promoting a new bull “opportunity”.
Comment by gppisascam — 5th August 2010 @ 6:54 am
Boring me now!
Comment by Faye — 5th August 2010 @ 9:29 am
It seems you’re not au fait, Faye, with the reality of RPP scams and the promoters of such. You need to be constantly reminded.
Comment by gppisascam — 5th August 2010 @ 12:36 pm
Where is GPP???
Comment by Don — 10th August 2010 @ 3:42 pm
Don: In the toilet and flushed.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th August 2010 @ 2:03 am
Have had my baby!
A little girl
Any GPP news?!
Comment by random passer by — 13th August 2010 @ 8:34 pm
Random: CONGRATS on the new baby girl! What’s her name? Hope Mom, Baby, and Dad are doing fine.
As for GPP, same ole, same ole, still a scam.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th August 2010 @ 10:44 pm
random passer by – congrats! How about the name “Stella” if you haven’t already thought of one?
Comment by Ben — 14th August 2010 @ 10:47 am
Ben,
Stella and the rest,
was this not a disappointment until now?
does she deserve a “re-creation”???
Comment by saleil — 14th August 2010 @ 2:17 pm
random passer by – my congrats also and a good future for you, the baby and your family
Comment by saleil — 14th August 2010 @ 2:20 pm
I think Gpp admin was the only one who send message on the forum like some people get them card and more… to put up them sell and encourage members to buy more policies on them last post they catch many people again for give them money with the story of the gost checks and to try to boost the themco sell I am mad and so sad for many who lose them money like me because for many of us we are not rich and we bougth a dream who will never happen and the authority can’t catch them and I don’t understand why because the honnor of Gpp have to cach the money with them liberty reserve account to them personnal account the authority have the power to push liberty reserve who are a big machine to give them those information but I think the authority don’t want to botter with those kind of fraud because they are thousand and thousand like that scam on the internet…
Comment by Angi — 18th August 2010 @ 6:25 pm
Congratulations Random (and Mr. Random)! And welcome little Globina! lol Hope all went well.
Unfortunatley, you didnt miss anything Random. Same old stuff. Well, back to my little vacation…..
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 19th August 2010 @ 12:46 am
Is it truth that GPP is under investigation in Switzerland and Germany??
Rumors circulating in the net France, Italy and Sweden also investigating GPP.
Anyone!!
Comment by Don — 20th August 2010 @ 3:38 pm
Don: I think that GPP is finally under invetigation by a lot of countries, but so far the Finn’s are the only ones who have said they were investigating publicly.
Let’s just say it wouldn’t surprise me if the countries you mentioned were investigating. I think I would be more surprised if they weren’t. I guess time will tell.
Comment by EagleOne — 22nd August 2010 @ 9:05 am
Remember Berry Ball? Well, this is from his own website, one of the literally thousands of “items” available to read about. So how does one endorse GPP when trying to “educate” the massess about Ponzi schemes? Practice what you preach, otherwise, your just another empty head talking. If you dont believe me, then go to this link:
http://www.detailshere.com/ponzipyramid.htm
This will sound familiar to all…..except Barry apparently….
(I found it amusing.)
Be Alert to the Following
Any investment program that does not provide clear and detailed explanations of their investment vehicles
The program is too difficult to explain in layman’s terms
Lack of available detailed information on the company, its officers and audited copies of its financial track record
Any offer that cannot be checked out in detail
Be leery of claims that this is part of “secret†market and records are kept in remote cites or foreign countries
Insistence that you reinvest without seeing your profits.
Inability for you to visit the office facilities of the promoter and ask questions of the staff.
Be alert to any gaps in the service being offered or absence of the promoters for any periods of time without secretarial services.
Exercise caution of “one-man or one-woman†operations handling thousands or millions of dollars.
Question the veracity of promoters claiming to be “connected to insidersâ€
Be careful of a “chance-of-a-lifetime†opportunity
Promoters will only accept cash
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd August 2010 @ 10:33 pm
Ducky: It is there to try to give them legitimacy, not for anyone to actually read it and act on it. If the feds come a’callin, this is their way of trying to say they aren’t scammers, and are helping warn people about scams. Of course actions speak louder than words, but these scammers keep forgetting that part of the equation.
When a scam goes bust, everyone comes out of the woodwork claiming “you should never invest more than you can afford to lose,” but the words never leave their lips prior to the program going bust. Soothes their conscious I guess. Just like trying to call them ‘games.’ When I checked the website, the word ‘game’ never appears, only the word ‘investment.’
The good news is law enforcement around the world is now catching on this is crippling national economies, as well as local and state economies. I think many are in for a rude surprise in the not too distant future. At least we are doing our part to make that happpen sooner than later.
Great catch and thanks for sharing it. Now more know how they do it.
Comment by EagleOne — 23rd August 2010 @ 11:28 pm
I was bored yesterday, so I wandered over into his very disturbing website! I cant even begin to describe it, you have to look for yourself. Disturbing is the only word that I can think of (well, actually, I can think of many more, but that one sums it up.)lol How anyone blindly follows what this man says is even more disturbing. The links he provides for someone to meet a Russian or Mexican woman tells me tons of stuff about this person, in addition to all the other JUNK he has aside from GPP.
Oh well. Thats just my little ol’ opinion, dont get all twisted out there in cyber land, if you want to listen to this person, Rock on!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th August 2010 @ 4:40 pm
Okay, I have a new one for ya, let me know if anyone has ever heard of this…
I have (just like everyone else has) recieved emails from the UK International Lottery, which I put straight to spam,and totally disregard.
But this time, I got a letter in the mail yesterday, that was from the UK Lottery, and it told me that they have been trying to reach me yada yada yada, and I won 250,000.00 dollars, and they enclosed a CHECK for $3980.00 usd. I looked the check over (Im in accounting, so I know a fake check) but this one looks very real. It doesnt say anywhere on it in fine print that this is not a real check, or anything like that. It said it was for the taxes on the winnings and should be paid to my tax agent.
Is this something new? I never heard of them sending stuff in the mail (which then leads me to wonder, how did they get my address and name?!) let alone a check included!
Let me know whatcha think. The skeptic in me says its bull, and if I cash that check, then I would be obligated to do something, or they can access my checking account, but just like with gpp, it sounds sooo good! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th August 2010 @ 5:56 pm
Ducky, this sounds like the advance fee scam. One way to find out, actually two. Did you buy a lottery ticket? If not, there is no way you could have won. End of story. If you did, however, contact the lottery office and ask them.
Now for the letter and check. Look to see if there any misspelled words, typos, etc.. Check out the real lottery office address and compare it to the address on the letter and check. Is the check drawn on the UK International Lottery? Google UK International Lottery and see what pops us. My bet is you will see lots of stories that this is a scam. The worse is you will get their real address and phone number to compare against the letter and check.
What we usually find in these checks is they misspell the name of the street, the city will not start with a capital letter, and the letter is a fake logo, which most times can be seen if looked at closely. But your best bet is to do the Google search, and you should have all your answers provided you bought a ticket. If no ticket, no way you could have won. Hope this helped.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th August 2010 @ 6:22 pm
Thank you EO! No, I sure didnt buy a ticket! They said it was a random email drawing.
Sure sounded nice though! But out of pure curiosity, I will google it, and do a little research, hell, I wasted 2 years on gpp, I think I can waste a couple days on this. So many con artists in the world, the nerve!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th August 2010 @ 7:44 pm
The UK lottery is a fraud they tell you , you won million and after you answer they ask an amount for pay the transaction to get your money and at the end no money I receive 10 letters like that every weeks all over the world so don’t bother with that it is a lies and fraud
Comment by angie — 26th August 2010 @ 11:25 am
Interesting how all the cheerleaders have totally disappeared. First to go of late was EXTAN or Extan or extan depending on which day of the week it was. Guess his oil venture is taking up too much of his time, or he got lost on one of his mountain hiking ventures. Then we had the drive-by posts of our “Ho,” which now seems to have lost his way too. There were others, but they have been gone a long, long time.
Get the idea this is truly dead, and now they are just stringing people along for the fun of it? Nothing like rubbing salt in the wounds. Just an observation.
Comment by EagleOne — 26th August 2010 @ 7:14 pm
Where have all the people gone
long time passing …
What happened to the “3 musketiere” who went up north trying to find GPP many many months ago ?
Comment by saleil — 27th August 2010 @ 5:28 pm
CLEAR INFORMATION & COMMUNICTION PLEASE & THANKS!! – Reviewer: joyousjim 08/18/10 04:17 PM EDT
Full Comment:
WAYNE & JOAN … Thank you for the your diligence on ALL OF OUR behalf! Could you…Would you…speak to the following in your update: In your verifications of packages received…have you verified ANYONE who has also actually been paid…access to their money / funds? It will indeed be exciting to finally receive a courier package (20 Euro flavor) but the only real verification I am seekig is IF SOMEONE you firsthand know of; did in fact send the banking option / selection IN and did get access to their funds…all else is so much moving around the deck chairs. I sent my (verified funds received) 20 Euros to GPP on July 2nd. Not surprisingly … nothing so far. Based upon past experience and current email info from GPP, (my opinion) I am looking that I should have this information package by no later than October 31st 2010…anything before that is a pleasant surprise. Also, given the slow time processing experienced over these last 3 years I have been involved…I am looking that IF I DON’T have the funds available / accessable by January 1st 2011…then the credibility of this venture (again – in my mind) will drop off at an exponetial rate. Until these milestone time frames pass…it just seems par for the course for GPP to be WAY behind. What say you WAYNE??? Can you and Would you please address these specifice information points in your Thursday Broadcast? The Fan Base would greatly appreciate it!!! ONE OTHER QUICK POINT: In ANY of the verified packages you have seen the contents of: IS THERE ANY TYPE OF REQUEST FOR FURTHER FUNDS OR FEES TO BE REMITTED to facilitate the “accessibility” of our funds?? Thanks in advance on this point as well.
Respectfully…listener Jim
Comment by Jim — 29th August 2010 @ 5:10 pm
they are probably off spending their GPP payout…..
or maybe not 😉
Comment by random passer by — 30th August 2010 @ 10:41 am
Didnt “Wayne” already distance himself from GPP? Or was that a different guy? Jim, your being generous with the dates!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 31st August 2010 @ 3:47 pm
You must have a lot of time to be so malicious
and time on your hands, the bitterneness you exude meand unhappiness with your life
Comment by Valerie Lawrence — 1st September 2010 @ 1:18 am
how wrong you are, Valerie!
I am happier than ever….. still doesn’t mean GPP will pay out.
Don’t see anyone being malicious though.
Comment by random passer by — 1st September 2010 @ 12:08 pm
Did you make a new friend Random?! LOL Nope, no one has been malicious in quite a while, since Calvin Ho I think. If you want to see some major hostility towards everyone Valerie, then go the World Law Direct forum, sheeeeesh! Its like a bunch of snooty kids on the playground. You wont find any actual helpful gpp stuff on there, but if you want to learn some new insults, thats the place to go! Incedentally, they have a Kalvin Ho there…same guy you think?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st September 2010 @ 5:06 pm
So Random, what’s the name of the new one, and all the vitals? Calling her baby “she” is getting old. LOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd September 2010 @ 2:15 am
My girl is called Scarlett, was 6 pounds 7 oz when born, and is growing well. Born 12.47 on 10th Aug- 11 days early which was lovely.
She is a little cutie, tired but happy!
OOh, our Calvin is all over the place is he?
Comment by random passer by — 2nd September 2010 @ 7:38 pm
Thanks for all the information, and give Scarlett a big hug and kiss from her adopted Uncle. I bet she is beautiful, just like her Mom. I am so happy for you and your hubby. Blessings to you all.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd September 2010 @ 9:14 pm
I LOVE that name Random!! Wow, 6 pounds, my daughter was 9 pounds 13 ounces, thought I was gonna die! lol
Too bad we cant see her, but I bet she is beautiful. Lots of hugs from Ducky!!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd September 2010 @ 4:19 pm
She is a Leo, like me.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd September 2010 @ 4:22 pm
wow this is getting just like facebook !!!
Comment by Marco — 4th September 2010 @ 10:34 am
We are all Silly to think that we can just get something for nothing in this world. Even the FAKE GPP still had to come up with all there BS stories. That takes effort. I guess we paid them well!!!
I started my own home business and I takes work but just from home on your phone and computer or lap top and It will pay millions at the end of the day but only after I have put in the effort. And I can help others do the exact same thing.
So Get Stuffed GPP who needs ya!. I have seen comments come and go over the past 3 friggin years Its time to say good night! Stop giving this thing any energy to stay fueled! I think Ben should open his own Facebook and call it Meet Greet and Vent! Night all!
Comment by Got People to Pay — 4th September 2010 @ 2:56 pm
no, Facepunch rather…
Comment by P — 4th September 2010 @ 5:24 pm
I think most people are just waiting for some conclusive news- most of us are non-believers but curious, some of us are hopeful
then there is the occasional ‘true believer’
Comment by random passer by — 4th September 2010 @ 6:17 pm
The lies on the Internet
Members should be critical enough not to accept everything that is reported online as all the information need not necessarily be true.
It is important for members to differentiate the truths, half-truths and what is a complete lie.
Comment by Don — 6th September 2010 @ 10:15 am
Don: Let me explain something to you. If GPP was real, there would have been information posting proving it 5+ years ago. There is no way any legal company would allow all this negative publicity from all of us naysayers/trolls for the last 5+ years. They would have presented it immmediately to shut all of us up.
Yet not once has any party associated with the Trust, Stella, promoter/shill, regulatory agency, insurance company, lending institution presented any evidence of any kind. All we have gotten is we can’t handle the truth because we would twist it and distort it, it is on a need to know basis, only the members can know mantra. Yet not one member knows or has any proof or evidence that can prove GPP is real.
Now stop and think for a moment, and then ask yourself this question:
Why would a legal company allow all this turmoil and suspicion go on for 5+ years if what all of us naysayers/trolls have been saying is all lies?
You answer that question and you will know the truth.
Comment by EagleOne — 7th September 2010 @ 8:08 am
Eagle,
I fully agreed. Stupid me believe in something based on nothing.
Comment by Don — 7th September 2010 @ 10:24 am
GPP Members,
Intresting story from John made on the August 8, 2010: “Secure Your Future” (SYF) forum” a screenshot of that post as follows:
http://future4me.com/gpp/
Comment by John — 7th September 2010 @ 10:31 am
Thank you John. I have always said that there are no hackers. It has always been the people behind GPP playing games to further stall, delay, and pull the wool over peoples eyes. The “busy” computer work to make you think you are part of something when your really not, and invisible hackers ruining things, delays due to the naysers (?! duh, why would that even delay anything? Answer: it really doesnt), they simply ran out of other excuses, and are now just playing with everyone.
I mean, if I complained about my 401K program, set up a website to complain about it, I dont think that would halt all of their daily schedules. They would continue doing what they are doing.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 7th September 2010 @ 3:52 pm
Wayne says that the GPP site and emails are real but is basing this mostly on the word of someone that is KNOWN to have created False Rumors about GPP, as well as the logic that they are still asking members to buy more additional policies.
Comment by Don — 7th September 2010 @ 4:19 pm
John’s just trying to get people to sign up for the next scam.
“If you would like access to the ‘RRP-1 (GPP)’ thread, now located in the ‘Problem Programs’ area at the SYF forum or to find out about RPP-9 as an alternative RPP that has a much better chance of completing successfully than GPP ever did, then you will need to join the forum as it is not publicly viewable, you will also need an invitation to join.”
Stay far away from this guy.
Comment by UnFinnished — 8th September 2010 @ 4:51 am
BEN I WILL POST THIS LINK FEEL FREE TO EDIT AT YOUR WILL.!!
Hi NWC – we have an update from Wally, who is testing the 2 payment options for GPP, copied below:
Hi Folks,
Update on the two (20 Euro vs. $75) payment options.
Euro: – no news since 2/07/10, no one known to any of the group has received a package although some people claim to have several “friends” whose “friends” in turn have received theirs. Where the hell are all these people hiding?
$75: – The “Trustees” have sent a September update which, on the face of it, has some better news.
Dear GPP Members,
As of this update being sent, we have had more than 9,500 Debit Card orders. After negotiations with the GPP Admin, GPP Financiers and the banks, we are glad to announce that the VISA Debit Cards will be issued no matter what. Even if we are a bit short of 10,000 card orders by September 30th, it will not matter as the Debit Cards will still be issued. The first 10,000 card orders or whatever we have by September 30th will be processed immediately. All card orders received after that will be put into the next batch.
A comprehensive update about the packages being sent and the forms you need to sign and all other details will be sent out by the first week of October 2010. The update is still being prepared by our Legal Division and the Legal Representatives of all the banks.
For those who wish to upgrade their cards, you only have time until September 30th, 2010. Once we send the orders to the banks, there will be no chance to upgrade anymore. And once you are issued a type of card, you can NOT order additional cards of a different type in the future. For example, if your final order is a Gold Card and once you receive your Card you wish to order some additional cards, they have to be Gold Cards as well and cannot be Silver or Platinum Cards. If your final order is a Silver Card, you cannot order additional Gold or Platinum Cards in the future.
For ordering the additional cards, you can do so in the future. Once you receive your card and start using it, if you need more cards to access your payouts, you can order additional cards of the same type. The total cannot exceed five cards per member per rules set by the banks.
If you have paid for a Card and wish to upgrade, pay the balance to the same Liberty Reserve account you used for your first paid order and in the memo section, put in : username + CONVERT TO (TYPE OF CARD).
For example, if you have paid for a Silver Card and wish to upgrade to a Gold Card, what you need to do is pay the $50 balance to the same account you used before and in the memo section, put in : username + CONVERT TO GOLD.
If you have paid for a Gold Card and wish to upgrade to a Platinum Card, what you need to do is pay the $125 balance to the same account you used before and in the memo section, put in : username + CONVERT TO PLATINUM.
If you have paid for a Silver Card and wish to upgrade to a Platinum Card, what you need to do is pay the $175 balance to the same account you used before and in the memo section, put in : username + CONVERT TO PLATINUM.
– If you have ordered e.g. 5 Silver Cards but only wish to upgrade e.g. 2 Cards to Gold/Platinum, simply make two separate balance payments and we will know that only two of your cards have to be upgraded. If you wishes to upgrade all your cards, you can make the balance payments in one batch.
– Orders of e.g. 3 Gold Cards (total cost : $225) will not be automatically converted to one Platinum card, because we do not know if you wish to have 3 separate cards (for your spouse/family etc) or just one with a larger limit. So if you e.g. have ordered 3 Gold Cards and wishes to get one Platinum Card instead, pay $0.1 or less to the same account you used before and in the memo section put in : username : CONVERT 3 GOLD TO 1 PLATINUM. (The $25 you overpaid will be put into your Debit Card balance). Same method for Silver conversion to Gold. You can convert 3 Silver Cards to one Gold Card for NO EXTRA FEE.
Point is : if you have paid enough or more for a conversion, you do NOT need to pay again. Simply send $0.1 or less and fill in the memo section.
Liberty Reserve account information and payment memo details required for new Card Orders and Card Conversion Requests : You can use either account, there is no problem. We initially set up two accounts to help make the accounting work easier.
– Liberty Reserve Account : U9948672 (Global Debit SILVER)
– Liberty Reserve Account : U5871417 (Global Debit GOLD)
To summarize the Debit Card types :
– SILVER costs $25 per card, ATM cash withdrawal limit of $500 daily.
– GOLD costs $75 per card, ATM cash withdrawal limit of $2,500 daily.
– PLATINUM costs $200 per card, ATM cash withdrawal limit of $10,000 daily.
Regards,
The Global Pension TRUSTEE
They would appear to be content to wait until the first wave of accounts are created and funded before receiving more cash and, if payment is made and communicated to the downlines, further batches of 10,000 cards will fill and be dispatched very quickly.
Advice? – Still do nothing yet, we will know by mid-October if this is genuine.
Cheers
Wally
Comment by Marco — 8th September 2010 @ 8:07 am
Wayne Talk S****” I see you on just about every RPP thread. You’re helping these scammers get their victims, man. You have blood on your hands and the bloody money you get from these RPPs from commission made ecurrecy and sponsoring people.
Seriously, people, check out this guy’s track record. None of the programs he’s cheerleading ever pays.
Stop ruining people’s lives. These RPPs do much worse than a burglar. With a burglar, you got robbed one time and you move on. With these RPPs, you pay and think you’re going to be rich, then you pay again and think you’re going to be richer but guess what ?? You will get nothing from these scammers other than empty hopes
Comment by Don — 8th September 2010 @ 10:20 am
Dear Members:
To upgrade to an Ultra Fantastic Silver, Platinum AND Gold “SWIRLED” card, just send in another $500.00. This super attractive card will make your friends jealous, it has no real value, but you think it will when you pay for it!
And if you want it over nighted to your address, just simply send in another $75.00 for the over night fee.
If you would like it in one hour, simply send in $600.00 for the courier to hand deliver it to you.
But dont forget your family memebers! For additional cards simply send in additonal $500.00 for each person….
(he he he, by the time your done paying fees, you will have nothing left of your payout—–providing you actually get a pay out! lol)
Awww, GPP, gotta love it. They got people by the balls talking about, you’ll get yours After we get ours, too bad it doesnt really work that way. They get theirs daily, but you never get yours.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th September 2010 @ 4:15 pm
That card upgrade BS and the original Trustee garbage is coming from Warren English. Don’t fall for it.
Comment by UnFinnished — 9th September 2010 @ 6:07 am
To whom it may concern: I became a member of GPP in 2008 it have been two years since I have heard anything. In July 2010 I have received a letter from the person eho I bought a policy from and got in touch with him. He told me I will be receiving an envelope in the mail regarding my investment. The only thing I would like to know is there anyone I can talk to on this matter if so could they send me an e-mail asap, before I take this matter a little fewer. I work hard for my money.
Comment by Regina Smith — 9th September 2010 @ 7:55 pm
Regina: No, there is no one to actually talk to. Only friends of friends and promoters who dont know the real scoop either.
Its a scam.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 10th September 2010 @ 3:59 pm
I bought into GPP 2 years ago. I listen to Wayne on Talk shoe every tues and thurs nights. Now I am reading comments about Trustee debit cards, etc. What is this? Has anyone out there ever heard of 1 single person receiving a package? I think we are all so broke that we have all fallen for whatever came down the pike.
Comment by DIANE TORZON — 16th September 2010 @ 2:31 am
Diane, its all a fraud and has been from the beginning. No one ever received a debit card or a dime, and they never will. Insurance policies never existed. Its lost money. We have to move on. Hopefully we’re all a bit wiser now. My best to you.
Comment by Ron — 16th September 2010 @ 10:17 pm
RE: Global Pension Plan ….
I like many others sent off my 30 Euros back in 2008, I have heard next to nothing from anyone since … well that is until today!!!!. I have had a letter with a form requesting I send £22 urgently so that we can receive our ‘payout’. It claims that this is an estimated charge to cover a Specialized delivery service and to help with admin costs!!! Anyone else received this sort of request?????
Comment by Magicanni — 17th September 2010 @ 1:55 pm
Magicanni,
What type of letter do you receive. Is it postal or e-mail also in the letter how they are indicating to pay. Also check whether the e-currency number is the one used by gpp or they have mentioned different e-currency number.
Comment by eagertoearn — 19th September 2010 @ 6:18 am
@ eagertoearn ….
It is just a photocopied letter from a ‘friend’ who ‘introduced’ me to GPP, this letter states that “we are required to send the money in order to receive our payout” and “if you prefer to deal directly with GPP you will need to open an E.gold account”. With this letter is a form, which is to send back with payment (cheques payable to my ‘friend’) It states on the form “Unless I have the money up front then I cannnot act on your behalf” further down “I cannot be held responsible for any loss of money”!!!!!
Comment by Magicanni — 19th September 2010 @ 9:12 am
Hello Magicanni,
My name is Marcos Broschi and I’m from Spain. I don’t write good english. Hope you understand what I’m trying to tell peoples don’t fall for this SCAM. I am one of victim and have to tell my story how I got into this trap.
I am a GPP members since 2007 and received same letter (email) 9 weeks ago claims to be GPP trustee asking for 30GBPouncs (not euro) for GPP payout package. Out of exitment, stupid me, I paid the 30GBP into LR AC:xxxxxx(Global Debit GOLD). Within 2 days I received confirmation of payment purchase). Happy, absolutely!
10 days passed, I received a package by express mail not courier service contains 7 copies of Non-disclosure agreement but NO CARD. One Purchase Agreement form attached with option to purchase DC for silver 25$US, gold 75$US and platinum 200$US. Than, I realized something is very very wrong and asking myself why are they still asking for more money???? I do nothing. 5 days passed I received an email requesting to act fast before they close the services of 10,000 cards purchase. I replied and asked why on earth I need to pay the DC as I have already pay the 30GBP for Gold?? No surprised, a short reply came same day and telling me that the 30GBP are meant for opening my offshore ac and postage charges. I finally realized I’ve been corned completely. I took action and check the express mail send location and found that it came from Asia Malaysia Johor Baru, but no way to trace who is behind. I consulted a lawyer frind and has been told in order to trace who is receiving the fun “dont pay your money with ecurrency”. With the advised of my lawyer, I told I have no more money in LR and would TT wire to his bank for the purchase DC gold US$75. No surprized, no reply from them.
The NDA written with good english and very professional and peoples can be easily be corned. I am very very sicked and tired of this GPP bull. Be careful, RPP is a scam.
Leason aprendido. Para aquellos que estafa THS responsable por favor Dios nos ayude a continuación, enviar a la cárcel.
Broschi
Comment by M. Brochi — 19th September 2010 @ 11:04 am
Hi Marcos
May you post here the LR accounts that you received to pay the Debit Cards please? I want to konw if are the same that others one that I have.
This history match in part with the other one that I know. The actors are apparently the same (The Trustees), but in this case they don’t require any amount of money previous, that is, only require the amount necessary to pay the desired card ($25 for Silver, $75 for Gold and $200 for Platinum).
I understand (in this context of course) that if by the first time they explain all the fees process, telling all the ones needed to pay, may be they will be more credible.
I don’t know if all are the same people, but comparing both LR accounts may be we would leave in doubt.
Thanks.
Comment by Manny — 20th September 2010 @ 12:23 pm
You cracked me up Ducky, at least You gave me a laugh.lol. That was so funny I still have tears in my eye’s. Cheers from Down Under
Comment by G ot P eople to P ay — 20th September 2010 @ 1:09 pm
Hello Manny,
I paid to: Liberty
Reserve Account:U5871417 (Global Debit GOLD)
The form received from: The Global Pension Plan TRUSTEE Europe
Representatives
Are we talking about the same or there’s other one around?? If yes, I believe GPP is a scam from the begining or already dead or totally out of control. I am not good in computer and I don’t google. Most information I received from my sponsor Estel “teammegawelth.com”. But it has been a year now she/he? cannot be contacted. Just disapear completely. The site still around but no communication from her anymore. I used to be a strong believer in GPP because my sponsor Estell tell beautiful story about GPP over and over for years. I also a member of Imperia Invest under Estell. 3 months ago I also funded my ibanking card and now Imperia site is gone and nothing arrived.
Now, I don’t believe in any of RPP program bullshi anymore.
You take care and good luck to your investment.
Broschi
Comment by M. Brochi — 20th September 2010 @ 3:44 pm
“I paid to: Liberty Reserve Account:U5871417 (Global Debit GOLD)
The form received from: The Global Pension Plan TRUSTEE Europe”
Yes, it is the same account. All of this “Trustee” BS is coming from Warren English. The debit card shown in the pictures that were posted with the first package also came from Malaysia/Indonesia – Bank Mega. If you couldn’t tell by the identical writing style of the solicitations and English’s writing, the choice of Bank Mega should be a clue as English always uses “Mega” as the name for his many scams and operates under Mega International Business (MIB) as the name of his “business.”
Obviously, it’s a scam. Don’t fall for it.
Comment by UnFinnished — 20th September 2010 @ 8:16 pm
Don’t forget his MEGA PENSION PLAN as well of course !!!
Comment by Robert — 21st September 2010 @ 3:53 am
Hi Marcos
Thanks for your info.
Is the same LR account that I have, but in the information that I manage, in any moment is required any amount different that the Debit Cards fees mentioned. Is very estrange, I think.
Then, you only pay the initial “fee” (30 GBP) but not any amount for the cards ($25, $75 or $200), right?
I will wating communication form other sources to contrast, but this does not look good…
Comment by Manny — 21st September 2010 @ 12:48 pm
Cheers from Chicago G ot P eople! Gotta keep your sense of humor ya know..:)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 22nd September 2010 @ 6:38 pm
Is done Imperia Invest – GAME OVER!
One downed 2 to go SOON. Next GPP – HCI
Comment by M. Brochi — 23rd September 2010 @ 6:08 pm
What do you mean M.? Is that your opinion, or did you find something on the internet that states that??? curious…
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd September 2010 @ 8:34 pm
De verdad, viendo esto, que lástima que tengan esa destresa de engañar la humanidad de esta manera. No es posible que usen el internet para, hacer tanto daño. Está bien la suma que perdi es poca pero ellos se llevaron la ilusión de mucha gente. De igual manera, tantas dudas que generó todo este rollo y todabÃa hay gente ingenua, creyendo en esta estafa ta grande, que inmoralidad, que falta de respeto con nuestros semejantes. No tengo m{as palabras.
Paquetes, que no llegan y siguen pidiendo más dinero. Como si fuera poco, se atreven a vender tarjetas para cuadrar y completar la estafa. No no no.
Comment by PIQUI — 24th September 2010 @ 4:22 am
Hi guys…I, like a lot of you, have been in this RPP junk for several years now. I have received the GPP letters from both sources asking for funds. The first one is, of course, the courier payment and the second is from the supposed “Trustee” who is begging for debit card funds. Stupidly(or just plain out desperation)I have sent off for the 20 euro “courier” fee and the $25 LR fee for a silver card from the “Trustee” in hopes that one or the other would have been real.
I did receive a reply from the Trustee, of coure, recommending an upgrade to a gold or platinum card, but I never received anything from the “courier” fee group.
My question is this: If English is perpetrating the “Trustee” deal, then how did he get all of our email addresses? I did not go through English as a sponsor on GPP as I had a different sponsor who doesn’t even know who English is. Now, maybe he was in a higher upline of hers, and he may have gotten the email addresses that way, but was just curious as to how you guys think he may have pulled that one off.
I have wasted a lot of money on this crap, as I am sure a lot of you have also, but chalk it up to desperation and that one-in-a-million hope that something would be real.
Comment by RPP loser — 24th September 2010 @ 11:23 am
Uh oh, my 7th grade Spanish wasnt this advanced! Nichts verstehen…is there a translator in the house?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 24th September 2010 @ 3:19 pm
Gracias por la maravillosa escribir. Ya he terminado con todas estas tonterÃas
Comment by M. Brochi — 24th September 2010 @ 3:56 pm
Please don’t be stupid someone have to cash the money with a real name or bank account they are easy to find but I don’t understand why the authorithy don’t do nothing for stop them fbi can find every things with LR account because someone have to transfert mmoney somewhere with a real name if he want cash????????????????
Comment by melissa — 24th September 2010 @ 6:17 pm
DC as I have already pay the 30GBP for Gold?? No surprised, a short reply came same day and telling me that the 30GBP are meant for opening my offshore ac and postage charges. I finally realized I’ve been corned completely. I took action and check the express mail send location and found that it came from Asia Malaysia Johor Baru, but no way to trace who is behind. I consulted a lawyer frind and has been told in order to trace who is receiving the fun “dont pay your money with ecurrencyâ€. With the advised of my lawyer, I told I have no more money in LR and would TT wire to his bank for the purchase DC gold US$75. No surprized, no reply from them.
The NDA written with good english and very professional and peoples can be easily be corned. I am very very sicked and tired of this GPP bull. Be careful, RPP is a scam.
Please don’t be stupid someone have to cash the money with a real name or bank account they are easy to find but I don’t understand why the authorithy don’t do nothing for stop them fbi can find every things with LR account because someone have to transfert mmoney somewhere with a real name if he want cash????????????????
Comment by melissa – September 24, 2010 @ 6:17 pm
Comment by melissa — 24th September 2010 @ 6:18 pm
Hello
Melissa
sure your email and data sent money to bogus accounts,
GPP different.
These seem to be scammers Global Pension Trustee,
This a warning on the official forum of GPP.
not currently recommend for now send money or GPP, or anything different account of GPP. it is just my opinion.
Actually everything is very confused, and many members do not know what to do,
, And also any news, latest research or information with respect to GPP, please write .
Comment by Billly — 24th September 2010 @ 8:06 pm
I don’t know who to believe? I spend 20€ postage 3 moths passed and received nothing. 2 days ago I received email claimed to be GPP Trust Agent asked to spend £30 for the GPP DC. They indicated that the 1st batch 10,000 cards closing date 30/09/2010. As members reported the £30 are meant for postage & opening bank account. I’m so confused and I don’t know who to believe ??
Is this for real or what??? Can someone tell me which is which!!!!!
Comment by Didier — 25th September 2010 @ 6:30 am
they will not need a real name melissa, with a fake passport it is pretty easy to fake a few identities. These people are clever and probably have several fake accounts, in several countries, in several names.
These people are CLEVER, they have been getting away with it for years… how? I don’t know. I would love them to be caught and find out how they did it
Comment by random passer by — 25th September 2010 @ 9:30 am
“I don’t know who to believe?”
Easy, don’t believe anyone asking for any money related to GPP’s scam.
Comment by UnFinnished — 25th September 2010 @ 11:11 pm
Are we serious here?? Is Warren English actually perpetrating the role of the “GPP TRUSTEE” soliciting for more funds from the masses? If he actually is, and I know that it is not proven fact as of yet…then he has had to have attained a new low as he has been taking monies from people since back in the days of the “Heart Project” and all the other crap he has “sold” to unsuspecting fortune hunters over the last few years.
Comment by RPP loser — 26th September 2010 @ 11:30 pm
Ducky – You make me laugh! No genuine news yet then? What was the last “offical” GPP post on the site?
Comment by Faye — 28th September 2010 @ 2:25 pm
This is what I deduce.
Think of it as 2 groups. Group A has asked (since June) for 20 euros
to assist the courier charge. Although there is a website and forum for GPP this e-mail communication has never been verified – they are using the original LR and c-gold accounts supposedly owned by GPP.
Group B calls itself ‘The Trustees’ They give a deadline – first September 30th then October 7th. They offer 3 value debit cards.
They say they have separate LR accounts to simplify accounts. If you send money – $25 or $75 or even ‘upgrade’ you will get a receipt. They advise (naturally) that this system is the safest to access your funds and they will offer no help in the event of the Authorities interfering. Pay the minimum to both if you really believe this might ever pay out, or just wait till you hear a definite ‘GOTTIT’
That’s it up to date.
Comment by Angie — 29th September 2010 @ 11:07 am
Angie,
I would like to know as to when you gained the information that the “Trustee Group” extended the debit card deadline until Oct. 7th?
I have only heard of Sept. 30th, unless there has been a “press release” sent out within the last 12 hours.
Your deductions make sense but I would want clarification on the Oct. 7th date.
Regards
RPP Loser
Comment by RPP Loser — 29th September 2010 @ 2:15 pm
There won’t be any “GOTTIT”‘s Angie. None reliable at least. Only more BS reports coming from the same sources as before of somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody who has a friend who received it and likely more solicitations for money or a follow-on program.
GPP was a scam. All that’s left now are the second-tier scammers who have moved in like vultures to pick the bones of anyone stupid enough to continue sending money to them.
Comment by UnFinnished — 30th September 2010 @ 5:34 am
If anyone has been actually following Wayne McClean’s Talkshoe program…different people post rumors and half truths on his site and theoretically, it is taken as fact. Well, seems as if Warren English is now quoting posts off of McClean’s Talkshoe site as fact now in his weekly emailings. No wonder none of this ever works out. It is just a rumor “merry-go-round” where no one knows any truths. They all just repeat each other and add to the information as it passes them by.
Comment by RPP Loser — 30th September 2010 @ 5:18 pm
I know the truth, but Im not tellin! nya nya nya (lol)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 5th October 2010 @ 11:01 pm
Ducky, not nice holding out on us. LOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 6th October 2010 @ 10:33 pm
Ducky know nothing, only BS ..!
Comment by Kelvin Ho — 7th October 2010 @ 12:12 pm
ahhhhhh
Ducky
bet you don’t know what I know?! 😉
Comment by random passer by — 7th October 2010 @ 7:30 pm
One more down…..
Alleged scam bilked many in deaf community
By Tom Harvey
The Salt Lake Tribune
Published Oct 7, 2010 05:00PM
Updated 1 minute ago Updated Oct 7, 2010 08:02PM
A federal judge in Utah signed an order Thursday freezing the assets of an elusive company that allegedly scammed more than 14,000 people worldwide — most of them deaf — out of more them $7 million. About 500 of the victims are from Utah.
U.S. District Judge Dee Benson signed the order against Imperia Invest IBC, an Internet-based operation that lured people to send it relatively small amounts of money by promising returns of about 1.2 percent a day, claiming that a $50 investment would be worth $134,000 in six months.
The Utah office of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filed a civil complaint against Imperia, which claimed to be doing business out of the Bahamas or Vanuatu, a small South Pacific island, but the addresses it used were fictitious.
Ken Israel, head of the Utah SEC office, said the action was filed here because investigators started looking into complaints from the local deaf community.
“It appears to have circulated by e-mail or on the Internet among the deaf community nationally, and Utah was one of the states that had a good number of people who invested,†he said.
The deaf were not specifically targeted, but large numbers apparently bit after several circulated word about their own investments, Israel said.
“When something gets into the deaf community, it circulates rapidly,†he said.
The Imperia website said money from investors would be used to buy Traded Endowment Policies. They involve an owner selling an insurance policy at a discount before the policy matures. Most of the investor funds were paid to Imperia through three PayPal-type entities in Costa Rica, Panama and the British Virgin Islands. Then they were funneled to bank accounts in Cyprus and New Zealand, the SEC said.
The government does not have enough evidence to name any of the people behind the scheme, but the investigation continues, Israel said.
Comment by UnFinnished — 8th October 2010 @ 3:17 am
Well, well, well. Wonders never cease. Our resident ‘Ho’ is back. Another drive-by post I guess, and pathetic at best.
Thought all the pimps of this program had finally run out of excuses for GPP not paying, and know the perps have run with the money a long time ago.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th October 2010 @ 7:57 am
I dunno Random, tell me what you know, and Ill tell ya what I know! lol
So, Imperia Invest got pinched huh! Isnt that guy involved with GPP also? Maybe that is why Themco distanced themselves from GPP, maybe they knew about Imperia being investigated?
Things that make ya go hmmmm….
(ya, I dont really know anything….EO, I wouldnt hold out on ya!)
Have a great weekend yall
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th October 2010 @ 8:38 pm
this was a scam right from the start
Comment by M. Brochi — 9th October 2010 @ 12:08 pm
couples months ago GPP was sold in Canada , now who bougth the site thank you???????????
Comment by melissa — 12th October 2010 @ 11:28 am
Berry Ball promote so much GPP now it is the time to pay or send card and Berry told my friend that he don’t know if she have to trust the gpp2 and a lot of blabla for nothing it was another lie so much people never stop to lie just for make money with the poor people who dream for a better life it make so full of rage after that people like him will say he’s got trouble with some furious person she I am so hangry…………How all of those reverse pension plan and admin around those plan do not have a small piece of heart it is not the rich people who bought those plan fuck and all ass h/ole piss me off???
Comment by Melissa — 17th October 2010 @ 12:31 am
I waited:
GPP 4 yrs – ?!
Imperia 3 yrs – Gone
GCPP 3 years – Gone
HCI 3 yrs – ?
WPP 3 yes / !?
None of any payout, some still asking for money!
Is over. Lesson learned.
Comment by MC — 18th October 2010 @ 6:56 am
Yes you are right and if I can find a way who it will cost me low price I will built a web site to send advertising at all population to not invest in those plan my friend lost over $3,000usd because she live in Canada the exchange and all the fees to send the money in liberty reserve I understand she got a part of responsability but when you are a new born with internet you can beleive everyrting was propose on the net I feel so bad for her because she is poor and I will try to do something to help her the way I can help her please people don’t encourage Themco, PWW4U still ask for money too ,Excel Prestige too, Qquatro cooper said they will not pay before one years more and what is it bad with Excel Prestige and Cooper’s they accept credit card those fuck and bandit but it can be a good way to catch them faster Judahlion never stop to preach God and encourage poor people to invest in those program to make people more in trouble it make me feel he’s got a part of money from the program…
Comment by melissa — 20th October 2010 @ 11:12 am
If they paid by credit card, then call the bank and dispute the charge as fraud. People may be dumb enough to believe in these scams but Visa/MasterCard isn’t.
Comment by UnFinnished — 21st October 2010 @ 5:07 am
I think there is a fat lady singing somewhere. its over.shame. and all the fools that keep on promoting it, are shameless self promoters that just want to make a quick buck. look at that one fool, barry ball, hell sell anything from beauty products to fuckin’ mail order brides, he is truely a low life. no morals there at all! but whatever, if you agree with him and his own mail order bride wife. then good for you, if you have morals and know right from wrong, then yay! your on my side! see ya in the funny papers!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd October 2010 @ 11:57 pm
I give up and I do decide to build a business up from scratch wow real money real business. With tax breaks after you get an ABN no.
[URL Removed by Ben] My business is real. Good bye GPP you are rubbish!
Comment by sammy — 25th October 2010 @ 7:44 am
I totally agreed.
Leason learned. Those rotten worms cheerleader / promoters should be punished.
Comment by M. Brochi — 25th October 2010 @ 2:20 pm
Here we go again. More money to be send …
Comment by M. Brochi — 27th October 2010 @ 7:11 pm
I got the update and this one posted by “GoldMaster” is a FAKE. He slipped in his own LR acc which is U2809340 which is NOT on the original update !
User GoldMaster is an amateur scammer LOL
[Addition by Ben: Thanks for pointing that out Robert. I’ve now removed the post. Well spotted!]
Comment by Robert — 28th October 2010 @ 1:30 am
what is the diferent if the scammer “GoldMaster†get the money or if the “trustee” scammers get it ? 🙂
Comment by P — 28th October 2010 @ 9:05 am
I think 3-4 parties work hand in hand to milk more money
Comment by M. Brochi — 28th October 2010 @ 9:33 am
Liberty Reserve Account : U9948672 (Global Debit SILVER)
– Liberty Reserve Account : U5871417 (Global Debit GOLD)
– Liberty Reserve Account: U2809340 (Global Account)
Memo: Shipping / UserName
Please don’t send them no more money it is all fraud Barry Ball is a lyar and maybe his got a part I will complaint on internet fraud about all them a off is a off fuck and stealer and I encourage all of you to do the same Wayne talk show repeat that GPP2 is not true it is just to abuse again poor people and steal them money like GPP did DON’T SEND THE 59.00 TO THEM YOU WILL NEVER GET NOTHING THEY WROTE THEY WAS SUPOSED TO SEND THE CARD AT THE END OF SEMTEMBER AND THEY STILL ASK FOR MONEY DON’T SEND THEM YOUR MONEY YOU WILL LOST THEY ARE BANDITS MAKE A COMPLAIN WITH THE LIBERTY RESERVE NUMBER THEY WILL CATH THEM
Comment by melissa — 29th October 2010 @ 4:20 pm
Sorry make a complaint and includ the GPP2 liberty reserve account number the internet complaint for fraud will catch them bandit go go stop to dream for nothing they will give you nothing it is all fraud
Comment by melissa — 29th October 2010 @ 4:23 pm
LOL Nice try glodmember! Good eye Robert
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd November 2010 @ 8:09 pm
Listen folks, all these E-mails are nothing more than a few members knowing all their money is lost, and they are trying to recover as much of it as possible by these fake E-mails. They have no qualms about stealing other people’s money to cover their losses. Report them to the authorities and let the authorities track them down.
If you send them money, you might as well burn it. There are no cards, GPP is a scam, and there will be no payout. Nothing is going to change those facts. It’s over. All you can do is report your loss to your legal authorities and hope they can track these crooks down.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th November 2010 @ 6:59 am
@EagleOne, you are a broken record !! So what if we wish to keep each other updated ? So what if you’re holier than thou ? That does not make you God or owner of this board ! We ALL already KNOW what you’re going to say next because you keep saying the same stuff for 1000 times. LISTEN. WE GET IT !!
And why are you keep reading this board if you’re not even a member ? Just leave us alone. We do not keep being reminded by your wisdom over and over and OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN !! It’s TIRING.
Comment by Robert — 4th November 2010 @ 7:26 am
Excuse me this is a public forum. There are new people visiting here every day. Many of them have not heard any of this before. Just skip over my posts since they bother you so much. But to tell me I should or need to stop posting isn’t going to happen.
I could say the same thing about your posts too, or Extan, EXTAN, extan, the “ho” from asia, shall I name more who repeat the same drivel over and over again. By the way, I could ask you the same question, who made you God of this board to determine who can and who can’t post here? Until Ben tells me to stop, I am sure not going to listen to you.
Oh by the way, in case you missed it….GPP IS A SCAM. Hope you feel better now that I have cleared that up for you.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th November 2010 @ 7:40 am
I am sorry to say a lot of time the same things about Imperia invest (the last fake mails on Berry Ball details) and always send worry about those fraud because sadely some people send them money to them and for nothing because they will get nothing I know it is them hope and them money but I do not understand how come the members don’t see the scam againt’s Berry details on many forum people think the mail on his site is realy come from from Imperia or GPP and it is impossible because everything is froozen for Imperia so how come some members beleive those things and are ready to lose more money that’s why I repeat many time the same advertising because maybe in the group some of members can save the money they have and not give them precious money to hackers and scammer like the last update of Imperia on berry details and the last updates on GPP2 59.00 to send again for cover the fees for shipping cards those people abuse members and it is make me so sad if I can touch just 10 peoples by my post to not lose more money then I don’t lose my energy to send all the time warning about all the last updates concerning GPP or Imperia invest
Comment by melissa — 4th November 2010 @ 1:38 pm
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Comment by bil kastro — 4th November 2010 @ 10:44 pm
Ha Ha Ha!
“This information is for private viewing only. The terms, conditions, or particulars of business dealings with Global Pension Plan should never be disclosed to a non-prospective non-member. Any representation to the contrary is a criminal offence.”
Come and get me GPP!!!! I’ll make it easy for you, here is my address:
15321 S 94th Ave Ste 200, Orland Park, IL 60462
I prefer for only the tippy top, head honchos to personally come to my home, no little fishes please, you can stay at your home.
Oh wait, after thought, so how legal is a legal disclaimer if the entity it represents is not legal? (he he he)
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 5th November 2010 @ 10:10 pm
They also have another problem. These are insurance policies, not securities. All insurance policies have to be registered and licensed in each country where it is sold. In the US this means they must be registered and licensed in every state in which they do business. I don’t care where you are located. So as always, this is just more smoke and mirrors from the perps of this scam.
There just might be a breakthrough in finding just who all are behind this. A lot of chatter, but until an official announcement is made, it is just that…chatter. I know, I know Robert I am doing it again. So just skip my post.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th November 2010 @ 1:11 am
156789 S 94th Ave Ste 200, Orland Park, IL 60462
Thats a real quack up Duck, you live so close to me
Comment by mred — 7th November 2010 @ 11:25 am
So,
checking back through the posts, Wally was going to try out the two payment methods to see if anything actually happened and he received the card from the first batch of 10,000…… did this actually happen?
I am realistic that this is all over, it is interesting to see if anything happened through October…..
Anybody closer to finding who is behind all this mess??
vix
Comment by Vix — 8th November 2010 @ 3:43 pm
Hi Ducky / EagleOne,
You guys seems to be everywhere! Are you the rpp hunters???
Comment by June — 8th November 2010 @ 5:48 pm
June: No, we are the rpp exposers.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th November 2010 @ 8:00 pm
Hey Mred:
How close to my “address” are you? Thats funny that we are from the same neighborhood of sorts! See how close to home these types of things are? I just assume that since your talking on the net that the people are from far away, when sometimes, they are just around the corner! How long have you been with GPP?
June: I agree with Eagle One’s answer! I hate swindlers who take advantage of people’s hopes and dreams, those people suck. I mean, who really knows how many people they have gotten money from, and in return, lame excuses. Just shameful. Are you pro GPP? Or against? Or neither? Thats the good thing about forums, they are both pro’s and con’s, which is what people need to hear.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th November 2010 @ 8:51 pm
I’ve tried “both” – nothing happened so far. GPP site going to expire in Jan 2011. Let’s see what next????
Comment by June — 9th November 2010 @ 6:30 am
ok I’ve tried “both†– nothing happened so far. GPP site going to expire in Jan 2011. Let’s see what next????
Comment by bil kastro — 11th November 2010 @ 9:15 pm
Prediction: Nothing will happen
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 11th November 2010 @ 10:47 pm
Robert:
I wanted to address why I post on this forum from time-to-time. There are too many people who believe in this program paying them untold riches. They are not aware they are in a scam. They rarely post on any forum, but they do read them. All these E-mails that are going out about needing a card to obtain your GPP funds are a scam too. Just as the ones requesting you pay for special postage were a scam. What is even more pathetic about these scams, they were done by people who are members of GPP, not the people running this scam.
You also have new people coming on to this forum, and others, for the first time. They see postings that make them believe these type of programs are real, and then they end up joining another program that is a scam too; but they don’t know it. They believe what they read without question. So anytime someone posts that GPP is going to pay out, or you need a card to get your payment, you bet I am going to post exposing it as a lie.
It is my guess that over 450,000 people joined GPP. We know the number had exceeded 380,000 as that is what was showing on the GPP website until they took the counter down. They didn’t want members asking why they kept pushing to get to 100,000 when they passed it a long time ago. Yes there were a few people who were asking the guestion, but for the most psrt they got shouted down by the pimps of this program. Out of over 450,000 mmembers, it is my guesstimate than only 10% of them ever posted on all the forums combined. The real number is probably closer to only 5% posting. But the rest were reading the forums from time-to-time, just not reading it all the time.
My only reason for posting is to warn others. I cannot do anything about those who joined GPP, no matter how many polices they bought. But if I can educate them GPP was not real, never could be, they won’t fall victim to the next one. And it is my hope it keeps others from falling victim to other scams because of my posting.
The truly sad part about GPP is that it stole money from those who could least afford it, gave them false hope their financial worries were over, and preyed on their innocence. It is my guess that at least 60% of the people who joined GPP still believe it will pay out.
I don’t like seeing people being taken advantage of, lied to, and all in the name it will solve their financial needs when it is nothing more than a lie and smoke and mirrors that could destory them financially. I wrote a book (availlable on Amazon) to help educate the public about these scams, and how they do it. Hopefully enough people will buy it and learn how to stop being a victim of these scammers and their pimps. To find it all you have to do is enter the keywords: ‘You” “Keyboard” without the apostrophe’s and hit search.
I do apologize for what may have sounded a little too harsh in my earlier reply to you. The bad guys are always telling me to shut-up and stop posting. No, I don’t think you are a bad guy; at least not yet. LOL!
I hope this helped you understand more as to why I post on this and other forums. It is nothing more than a tool to educate the masses that will hopefully protect them from becoming a future victim. All the best.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th November 2010 @ 1:13 am
“I wrote a book (availlable on Amazon) to help educate the public about these scams, and how they do it. Hopefully enough people will buy it..To find it all you have to do is enter the keywords: ‘You†“Keyboard†without the apostrophe’s and hit search.”
Put it up as a PDF for free downloading if you are sooooooo keen to educate the stupid people. To promote it here to earn money yourself is god damn funny!
Comment by EagleTwo — 17th November 2010 @ 7:27 pm
I typed ‘You Keyboard’ into Amazon.co.uk and could only find books about playing the keyboard!
Don’t be shy, please provide a link because I’m intrigued now.
Comment by Ben — 17th November 2010 @ 9:51 pm
Ben: It is two words separated by a comma: you, keyboard and it should populate. But here’s the short link to the book: http://amzn.to/9hchhD I know this will make EagleTwo happy now.
But if EagleTwo is so concerned, EagleTwo can put their own version up in PDF for free and let people download it. Guess EalgeTwo doesn’t understand that no-one is forced to buy it. Typical scammer response.
[Addition by Ben: I think the problem was that I was looking on Amazon.co.uk! Thanks for that, looks very interesting]
Comment by EagleOne — 17th November 2010 @ 11:14 pm
EagleOne what do you think about Wayne Mclean talkshoe who gives information relative about people who received Gpp package and Wayne can confirm it is true, he’s got email address , he’s on facebook and he’s got a phone number
and why multiple person told on multiple forum they received cards from Imperia invest IBC???? why all those people lie about that it is stupid to encourage those scam like that, if they are scam?????? And why Judahlion encourage site like that because he’s involve of it???????? It is like a tv show who tell the truth????? and who lie about??????? And why many people confirm that many reverse pension plan like Gpp and Imperia was there 30 years ago and they know best friend who collect money from those program it is very difficult to find the truth about all of those complicate investment????????
Comment by angie — 18th November 2010 @ 2:07 pm
Rigth now I am very lost in all of those complicate situation even some people, I know well told me they have friends in Canada who received compensation by Imperia invest in 2005 why those person have to lie about that because they have nothing to win with the false information, they did’nt participate at the second round of Imperia plan so they did’nt have nothing to win in telling lies, I am very lost rigth now between the truth and false!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by angie — 18th November 2010 @ 2:14 pm
Eagle Two: I have been on this website since February of 2008, and never once did I see Eagle One promote a book. He has always been here letting people know how and why GPP and other RPP’s are a scam for free.
If you choose not to take his free advice and reasoning on this blog, then yes, by all means, go buy the book for a more detailed explanation! (if that makes ya feel better) At the very least, you’ll save money if you buy the book! lol
I aint mad at ya EO for a little self promotion, at least its honest, and it helps people. I have been to your site EO and I am glad that you are working hard to educate the masses. Kudos to you!
Wayne is on Facebook??? I’ll have to check that out.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 18th November 2010 @ 4:59 pm
P.S. Are ya hiring EO??? lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 18th November 2010 @ 6:58 pm
“…why those person have to lie about that…”
Because they’re liars, bullsh*tters, attention hounds, or a combination of all of the above. No further understanding required. Happens with almost every online scam. People claiming to know somebody who knows somebody. They’ll disappear right about the same time that the scam disappears.
Comment by UnFinnished — 19th November 2010 @ 7:43 am
http://www.talkshoe.com/talkshoe/web/talkCast.jsp;jsessionid=7610ED7442A71EEC4BD669D282FF90BF.prod77_10?masterId=14140&pageNumber=21&pageSize=15
there’s the link of Wayne Mc Clean talk show
Comment by Angie — 19th November 2010 @ 4:01 pm
“Talkshoe” is a service that can be used by anyone. You register on it, then you can host your own show and have callers call in.
So Wayne and whomever simply registered to have their adgendas addressed and probably more than likely have their own people call in. Talkshoe does not make them a valid anything.
“Sometimes, I sing and dance around the house in my underwear, doesnt make me Madonna, never will”. (my fav quote from the movie “Working Girl”)
I could register and have a chit chat about how ****ty I think gpp is. Its just like a website. Or a blog, instead of writing, you are calling. It doesnt mean anything. Again, all yakity yak, but still no money! “Show me the money”! “SHOW ME THE MONEEEEYYYYY”(guess what movie that is from..) 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 19th November 2010 @ 7:21 pm
Jerry McGuire
Comment by Robert — 20th November 2010 @ 5:02 am
Ding Ding, we have a winner! 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd November 2010 @ 5:58 pm
tacit agreement for teleprocessing for to G.P.P. for tenant for life for bos for to terminal account se teetering economy return to scale revocable letter of credit for rigger right in rem
Comment by bil kastro — 24th November 2010 @ 11:03 pm
bil kastro
Are you singing?
Comment by June — 26th November 2010 @ 6:44 am
Bil,
Thats a real head scratcher, I still cant figure out what you are saying! Please re-post clearer. Thank you
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 29th November 2010 @ 11:39 pm
yes 100.000 meber for meber 11.000.000€= 1.200.000.000.000€ trilion bilion eyro??? electonik moneh bikoz is field man field staff for file for bankruptcy for functional obsolescence
bil kastro
Comment by bil kastro — 30th November 2010 @ 9:19 pm
Never have so many said so little. No one here with brains enough to make a NEW comment. Fried brains I suspect. Do any of you people have a job?
Comment by buddyc — 1st December 2010 @ 2:41 pm
buddyc: Don’t be so hard on yourself.
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd December 2010 @ 1:59 am
Hi buddyc,
did y o u make a New Comment – or will you join the club of fried brains?
by the way, its cold enough here to have fried brains —
it would be great to get a fantastic new comment –
but nothing happens –
since years –
so enjoy life and the forum
Comment by saleil — 3rd December 2010 @ 4:46 am
Oh, I meant frozen brains – egal – the effect is the same
Comment by saleil — 3rd December 2010 @ 4:48 am
saleil mrabo!!!!
bil kastro
Comment by bil kastro — 3rd December 2010 @ 3:38 pm
Welcome to the many who say little Buuuuu-dy!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd December 2010 @ 8:28 pm
Thanks Guys, Just my fun loving way of saying hello. yuk…yuk. Usually anything that walks like a duck has been rubbed the wrong way…….snicker snicker. pun intended.
Comment by buddyc — 3rd December 2010 @ 11:00 pm
RELAX
Comment by bil kastro — 4th December 2010 @ 2:08 am
Is over. GPP site is gone. Finaly
Comment by June — 5th December 2010 @ 2:50 pm
But the domain is renewed until 2012 ?
Comment by Robert — 5th December 2010 @ 5:48 pm
@Robert: LOL Ah ha, a sense of humor is a good thing! (And no, not necessarily rubbed the “wrong” way…. 🙂 )
They always dissappear and then reappear, and they always renew the website. This is normal for them. Why totally disappear when there is still more money to be had? But who knows, maybe its for good this time?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 6th December 2010 @ 4:45 pm
@ buddyc
many few pages ago ducky eyplained how her helpful soul came to that “if it walks like a duck” – good to read in this hectic world
Comment by saleil — 7th December 2010 @ 3:02 pm
@ Saleil: 🙂
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 8th December 2010 @ 5:30 pm
The great tease continues…..the site is baaaaack. On another note I want to apologise to “Walk like a Duck”. I didn`t know Donald was a Daisy. I never disrespect pretty ladies. BuddyC
Comment by buddyc — 9th December 2010 @ 1:27 pm
For what it’s worth although I haven’t tried in a while, I did access the site today, even though I heard it was gone. Of course nothing is new there.
Comment by pulsar — 9th December 2010 @ 5:51 pm
Why thank you Buddy! Its all good, we all vent and carry on from time to time, cant do anything else, ya know?! Trust me, Ive had my share of crazy on this blog over the years. Having money promised to you, then never getting it is frustrating. Like dangling a carot in front of a donkey to make it walk.
And by the way, Im a tough nut to crack, you’d have to try alot harder to dis me! (not that I want you to or anything) And I have a pretty descent sense of humor to boot.
Hey, Mred, when we doin lunch?!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 9th December 2010 @ 11:50 pm
Hi again “Daisy” Are We pals now……I hope so. Blessings to you.You are right about the frustrations of expectations. Life is tough as it is without some sleezy people laughing at us behind their pc screens.A lot of good decent folks just trying to get a break in life and have joy for themselves and their loved ones. Much joy to you as a special season is upon us. BuddyC
Comment by buddyc — 10th December 2010 @ 1:53 am
I am COMPLETELY DONE with BS in my life ..
Comment by June — 10th December 2010 @ 6:32 am
I run a test on Wayne’s Mclean Talkshoe –
I email Mclean and informed about my “packages has landed†(actually NOT.
Believe it or not! He broadcasted the news without any verification in his last Friday and Tuesday calls. 3 of my down line also a member of GPP / Imperial did the same false report to Wayne.
No surprised he reported in his calls. What does it tell you!!!
You tell me?
Comment by June — 10th December 2010 @ 2:04 pm
Does this make you any better a person by lying?
Comment by buddyc — 10th December 2010 @ 5:59 pm
He who does not bellow the truth when he knows the truth makes himself the accomplice of liars and forgers.
I don’t debate with liars
Comment by June — 10th December 2010 @ 7:18 pm
Now Buddyc.. you know better than that. You are such a liar.. it would do you WELL to stop spreading lies!! mclean101 talkshoe did not respond to your lies.. neither did he speak with you or broadcast that he heard anything from you… and I declare.. I will hunt you down if you don’t stop. thank you… VERY CONCERNED INDIVIDUAL
Comment by itsngsus — 10th December 2010 @ 7:55 pm
My error and humblest apologies
JUNE what I wrote to Buddyc is for you!!
Comment by itsngsus — 10th December 2010 @ 8:44 pm
@ JUNE
Well…..what do you consider yourself?
As someone said on another FORUM about this:
It tells me that YOU are the LIAR. YOU are giving FALSE hope to YOUR family, friends, and members of GPP & Imperia.
Comment by Happy — 10th December 2010 @ 11:27 pm
JUNE You are such a liar.. it would do you WELL to stop spreading lies!! mclean101 talkshoe did not receive any lies from you.. neither did he speak with you or broadcast that he heard anything from you or other persons…
Comment by ISSA — 10th December 2010 @ 11:53 pm
Yeah! Everybody knows that Wayne McLean makes up his own lies!
lmao
Comment by UnFinnished — 13th December 2010 @ 2:15 am
How do you know that she is lying?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 13th December 2010 @ 4:26 pm
Wayne has a vested interest, in encouraging the naive to keep sending him money, to manage the LR transactions on the member’s behalf. He is not going to say anything on Community Call, that works against this agenda, from which he profits. Perhaps Wayne considers he is somehow justified, analogous with the Pied Piper, stealing from the masses. I can’t imagine why Wayne has changed the purpose for the requested 20EUR for each member, from ‘to mail the payment cheques via courier’, to ‘deliver package containing payment solutions options via courier’? On the other hand, perhaps Wayne is simply a pathological liar. Can’t wait to hear the same old BS again this week on mclean101’s Community Calls
Comment by Lemming — 14th December 2010 @ 4:54 pm
Hypothetical situation: GPP pays out finally. I bet not one single person here and all other forums in the world will apologize for their never ending dribble. Not one person can PROVE 100% that GPP is a scam.All you are doing is speculating. O.K. everybody jump in now with more of your unfounded and unproven opinions. I`m waiting. If you can`t show me positive proof,keep your mouth shut. Don`t need to hear more of the same slobbers.
Comment by Debbie — 15th December 2010 @ 8:58 pm
Even at the “other” forum people are calling June a liar. But no one says Why she is a liar. Were they listening to waynes talkshoe the day she claimed to have emailed him?
Im curious, how do people know she is lying????
Im gonna email him, Im gonna tell him my name is Lilly Faboushe and that I recieved my card…..that way people will know if he mentions me. Of course on the other hand, someone on this very forum could tip him off also. Hmmm, what to do…??
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th December 2010 @ 9:19 pm
Doubt if he is a name dropper…..hmmmmm.
Comment by Debbie — 15th December 2010 @ 9:43 pm
You could call the Atlanta police and let them listen in and see what they think you should do. 😉
Comment by UnFinnished — 16th December 2010 @ 1:11 am
Some of you really have nothing to do. If a person says something that they have fabricated and…. for a fact you know they are lying.. you call them liars. I know why I called JUNE a liar! and I will leave it at that.
Comment by ISSA — 16th December 2010 @ 4:55 am
Sure got quiet here. Just as I thought,NO ONE with real proof.
Comment by Debbie — 16th December 2010 @ 12:22 pm
Thank you Unfinnished! I always appreciate a grown up response. I will take your advice and look into that.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 16th December 2010 @ 4:52 pm
Debbie: Surely you jest. GPP real? Please, this thread is full of information proving this is a scam. It just gets old to keep repeating it over and over because someone won’t look up the information for themselves. But let’s try this on for size shall we?
They have missed not one, not two, not three, but seven deadlines that they set for this to payout. That alone should tell you this is a scam. But if you are still not convinced, just running the numbers makes it impossible for this to be done.
If you take just the 100,000 they claim they needed to pay, that is a minimum of $12 BILLION DOLLARS they must pay in CASH! The top 100 banks in the world cannot collectively payout $12 Billion Dollars in CASH. That is the minimum payout. If you throw in the other 250,000 so-called policies, that has now grown to $70 BILLION DOLLARS. That is not even counting the referral fees. Now if the top 100 banks in the world cannot collectively payout in CASH $12 Billion Dollars, what makes you think they could payout $70 Billion?
But if that has not convinced you, then there is more but then if you still don’t believe it. All the other information is not going to make you believe it is a scam either. But if you really want to find the information, it is posted here in this thread.
Still think this is real?
Comment by EagleOne — 17th December 2010 @ 3:17 am
Happy to help Ducky. They may be interested in the following too. Don’t know that it’s current but good enough for them to track him down.
Wayne H Mclean
1475 Doe Valley Dr
Lithonia, GA 30058-6203
(770) 482-5177
Age: 50-54
Household: Camelita/Carmelda C McLean
DOB 10/24/1958
waynemclean@msn.com
Wayne McLean
5472 Shirewick Ln
Lithonia GA 30058
770 482 5177
Wayne Mclean GA
678-362-7654
678-522-9006
Comment by UnFinnished — 17th December 2010 @ 5:10 pm
Does anyone remember 3 years ago when GPP announced this: The new “Final Step” will be available Jan.1, 2008 with ID upload info.? Which of course was received with shouts of joy and excitement was in the air.
Then in mid-January when everyone was panicking because it had not happened, they were told don’t worry you still have until the end of January to get your info submitted. Just be patient. Then of course nothing until late March of 08 when a new final, final drop-dead date was given. Then of course we had two final, final, final, final drop-dead date in 2009, and nothing since.
Still want more proof Debbie?
Comment by EagleOne — 17th December 2010 @ 10:09 pm
I do, I do!! lol Yes, the word “final” does not mean the same thing in GPP land as it does everywhere else in the world. Apparently it means “endless”.
How about BREAD FOR KIDS?! The charity Stella was supposed to give money to, but never did (well, she gave them a small amount, and the other donations went to gpp, not the charity, but they continued to use the charity’s logo to make it look like they were contributing.)
Found on the internet:
***BreadforKids Important Notice.
Children of Ecuador Foundation has nothing to do with Global Pension Plan, or Globalpp.net and more related websites. Please be aware about this notice before making any
breadforkids.org/notice.htm – Cached***
There are many things on the internet about them, and about RPP’s, its all at the touch of a few buttons.
I just love it when people get snippy little attitudes. Waiting for money makes people crabby! lol Be as bitchy as you wanna be, its not our fault you aint gettin paid…..unless of course your dumb enough to listen to gpp’s people who say its the naysayers that are holding things up! BWAHAHAHAHAH
Nobody said stop believing, so go ahead and continue believing if you want to, you have every right to hold on to hope. Continue being the “super secret squirrells” like they want you to be. It gives the rest of us something to chuckle about.
So, thanks for making me smile!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 18th December 2010 @ 12:03 am
Good comments everybody.Just what I was trying to get you people to do instead of just constantly crying scam…scam and snickering. I do not disagree with the money analysis.Billions of dollars seems unreachable.I was not promoting GPP as being real.. Just got tired of reading the same old comments without reasoning. BTW what about the people who supposedly have gotton their packages.I welcome your thoughts on this.What if it is really true? Now what? I`m not posting in anger good people,I just wanted to get you to thinking again with a clear mind. Merry Christmas to all and May you all be blessed.
Comment by debbie — 18th December 2010 @ 3:17 am
Debbie: Merry Christmas to you and may you be blessed also.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th December 2010 @ 7:19 am
Hi, actually all of GPP
is very strange, some say, that the trusted partner of GPP and paid, paid first to the administration of GPP, and all persons connected with them, and gave himself debitoy card package which contains the name of the bank and already paid, but only a few persons, or senior officials and high levels of power of USA and Union Eurpea not to speak as they signed their NDA, they also were sure your NDA, it ran and rumors from last year and people were not known.
Why believe the SEC made a complaint to Imperia Invest IBC, and GPP did not?
Neither the FBI, nor the SEC comment of Global Pension Plan.
Although the price paid, but only has a few, only a small percentage, however thousands of members have been cheated, they have not received any payment.
The website is there to believe that GPP is still active, but
in fact it seems, as there is communication with members.
In conclusion it seems that GPP and hill and payment, but only has a few.
I hope I’m wrong, and who pays for the thousands of missing members to be more fair.
Comment by FRANK — 19th December 2010 @ 8:58 pm
Hi frank, With all due respect…….HUH!
Comment by debbie — 21st December 2010 @ 1:57 am
Safe and happy holidays to you as well Debbie (and of course everyone else in here too). I agree, conversations get stale when there isnt anything new or interesting to report on.
@Frank: where are you from? Yes, I did hear that someone was trying to say that GPP’s payouts start with the top people, and then it will trickle down the down lines. Of course that was last year( or early this year? no matter), so I would imagine that the trickle down would have started already. But since all they do is say stuff that never seems to come true, I would have to say thats a bunch of boo ha ha.
I still cant get into the holiday spirit. This is my fav time of year too. Hope all of you have the spirit alive and well in your homes! Maybe I need a sangria? Yup, right after work…
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 21st December 2010 @ 5:04 pm
To all who celebrate it, I wanted to wish all of you a very blessed and Merry Christmas. May you experience the true meaning of Christmas and being with family and friends.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th December 2010 @ 12:47 am
For unto you is born this day in the city of David…..A saviour which is Christ The Lord. Luke 2 v-11. The Bible says “Wise men still seek Him today.”
Comment by debbie — 24th December 2010 @ 12:58 am
Safe and Happy Holidays to everyone!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 25th December 2010 @ 2:41 am
Here’s wishing all of you a very Happy New Year and may 2011 be a prosperous year for you all.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st January 2011 @ 4:35 am
Yes 2011 will be prosperous because GPP will be paying out !!!
Comment by Robert — 1st January 2011 @ 5:23 am
Always a comedian in every group:
Yes 2011 will be prosperous because GPP will be paying out !!!
Comment by Robert – January 1, 2011 @ 5:23 am
Thanks for the laugh Robert.
Comment by EagleOne — 1st January 2011 @ 9:36 am
Robert the Global Pension Plan is a story without end, it is not known if they have to pay.
First they said that early 2008 would be paid after 2009, after many members thought that 2010 was the year the success of GPP and finally payments would come, and nothing.
Speculate that it is now 2011.
I have the presentimeiento that GPP is making fun of the majority of the members with their isolation and lack of credibility, the authorities should do something and do more research on GPP and individuals and companies related to GPP.
The GPP website is still there on the net, and do not get low, it is inexplicable.
Comment by FRID — 2nd January 2011 @ 12:26 am
Robert the Global Pension Plan is a story without end, it is not known if they have to pay.
First they said that early 2008 would be paid after 2009, after many members thought that 2010 was the year the success of GPP and finally payments would come, and nothing.
Speculate that it is now 2011.
I have a hunch that GPP is making fun of the majority of the members with their isolation and lack of credibility, the authorities should do something and do more research on GPP and individuals and companies related to GPP.
The GPP website is still there on the net, and not written off, is inexplicable.
inexplicable.
Comment by FRID — 2nd January 2011 @ 12:29 am
2nd day of 2011
I believe GPP already long gone.
2011 New Year greetings from GPP??
Check this out:
2009 greetings – 5th Jan
from Stella & the Team
2008 Season Greetings – 25th of Dec
from Stella
2010 greetings New Year – 08th of Jan, Update
from Admin
Comment by Loof — 2nd January 2011 @ 5:06 pm
Information from the German Forum on January 5, 2011:
Dear Imperia Member. First of all: HAPPY NEW YEAR 2011!
This is the latest information from our company.
We are sorry for the inconveniences this may have caused you!
Delivered more than 85% of debit cards by FeDex and DHL in USA, Germany, Italy, France, Russia (Major Express) and other participants. Shipping debit cards will be discontinued January 15, 2011.
Cards will be sent only after payment (shipping) by DHL (3-5 weeks)
– $ 19.99 Liberty USD
or by FeDex (7 -10 days)
– $ 45.00 Liberty USD.
We are very sorry for this, but it is impossible to pay the whole shipping-costs
(including the costs for the activating procedure).
U0860066 (IMPERIA INVEST IBC)
MEMO:
SHIPPING
UserName
E-Mail
Remember only the Platinum card comes with iBanking. With iBanking you can wire transfer your payout to any bank account of your choice. It’s your choice if you need it or not. Now there is
an option to upgrade from Silver and Gold Card holder to the Platinum Card which comes with iBanking.
For Silver Card holder can upgrade to Platinum for only $155.
Gold card holder can upgrade to Platinum for only $85.
This offer is only good until January 15, 2011.
If you want the discount and special upgrade prices, send the payment and your acc info to this
specific Liberty Reserve account set up for the discounted cards :
U0860066 (IMPERIA INVEST IBC)
MEMO:
Upgrade to Platinum
UserName
E-Mail
———————————————————————————-
Thank You,
IMPERIA Invest IBC
Offshore
International Trade Building
PO BOX 1460
Port Highway VANUATU
Comment by Alexa1975 — 9th January 2011 @ 1:53 pm
I find these so-called updates quite fascinating since they are all total BS. Cards for Imperia are not being delivered. Imperia was charged by the SEC and Imperia has effectively been shut down.
There is no reason to do this, and it defies explanation as to why they would even attempt to do so. About as bad as the SI claiming payments are being made, while the scam disappeared over 4 years ago. Yet they try to claim that payments are being made right now.
Some people are truly sick and twisted to lie to people with false hope they will become rich. Imperia is a scam just like GPP was a scam. I feel sorry for the people who believe these lies.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th January 2011 @ 7:33 am
85% Huh?! Whatever.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 10th January 2011 @ 5:15 pm
Shame!! What a shame!! A trully crying shame!!!
We are unable to see ourselves as GPP investors….
Comment by Louis — 11th January 2011 @ 4:23 pm
What is a shame, a really crying shame is how many people fell for this scam believing it was possible to be done and was real; and who still believe it will pay.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th January 2011 @ 12:22 am
Amazing! Still milking money from others…
Comment by Skinny Thin
2011-01-10 05:56:16
I invested in the GPP 2008 and have not gotten paid yet. Mr. Phil Moore keep asking me to send him money. What is the deal. Mr. Moore’s email address is rocksme2004@yahoo.com and phone number is 503-409-4276. Surely, he must know that GPP is a scam
Comment by Louis — 13th January 2011 @ 7:18 pm
The naysayers like EagleOne is causing the RPP’s delays in paying out ! They raise red flags so the RPP’s plans to payout is in risk ! The naysayers cause all the delays and problems !!
Comment by Robert — 14th January 2011 @ 11:15 am
Robert:
Please list all the ways I have delayed GPP paying, and how just “me” has accomplished this feat.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th January 2011 @ 7:21 pm
Eagleone would you also like to take the blame for global warming ??
Comment by Marco — 14th January 2011 @ 9:02 pm
Well if I could stop GPP from paying, I guess I could also take credit for global warming. LOL!
Seroiusly Robert, I would like for you to provide all your reasons why you believe I could stop GPP from paying. Then I can address what you believe with facts. So let’er rip.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th January 2011 @ 11:34 pm
@Louis
Here’s where you can find Phil aka Robert Moore.
“Robert Moore – E-voucher Purchasing Agent & Data Entry Service Provider – info@rocket-robert.com – 503-409-4276″
http://www.rocket-robert.com/Descriptions_Of_ART_CREATIONS.htm
Comment by ReFinnished — 17th January 2011 @ 7:57 am
Robert let’s use a little logic. You claim that I, and people like me, have kept GPP from paying. Now let’s suppose for a minute that the trust is real. That the trust really is comprised of 5 billionaires as claimed by Stella. Heck for the sake of argument lte’s just call them multi-millionaires. Now we all know Stella doens’t lie, or at least that is the story told by the people who believe GPP is real.
Now do you really think that these 5 trust members would allow me, or any of us for that matter, to delay payment? Do you think if what we have said is not true that they would not have filed a lawsuit against us? They would have sued us to hell and back if what we said was not true.
The story about this “trust” is just that a story. There is no trust that consists of 5 billionaires or multi-millionaires. Just like the reverse pension policies, it is all a lie. No such policies exist. A Pension plan has a negative value in the first 3 years of the plan being in force. There is no equity to borrow against, and no bank or lending institution is going to loan money on an asset/collateral that has no value; and won’t have any value until at least year 7 of the pension plan. Even at year 7 the value is only about 1%-3% of the face amount of the policy.
Still think I, and people like me, are delaying payment?
Comment by EagleOne — 17th January 2011 @ 10:34 am
Robert,
Lying and stealing are next door neighbors
Comment by Louis — 17th January 2011 @ 4:11 pm
I have received my package from GPP. Following the instructions.
Comment by Robert — 17th January 2011 @ 4:50 pm
Robert: Are you sure it is from GPP? They said in their last update nothing would be done until their next update. So since NO update has been forthcoming, this means this is not from them. Or was the admin of GPP lying with their last update?
Not buying this story for a minute.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th January 2011 @ 12:40 am
Oh Robert. tsk tsk tsk, its not nice to lie.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 18th January 2011 @ 1:12 am
Please Robert, share with us something that makes us believe that everything is true. Something will be able to show us, right?
Thks
#
3357
I have received my package from GPP. Following the instructions.
Comment by Robert – January 17, 2011 @ 4:50 pm
Comment by Manny — 18th January 2011 @ 1:53 pm
I Have Received my package from GPP. Following the instructions.
ja ja ja, CONGRATULATIONS, hope that all members receive equal GPP missing you.
Robert, it would be good to show what you say is true,
but a person shall be qualified as stupid and a liar.
You are part of 0.0001% of members who have received the package GPP.
Comment by FRID — 18th January 2011 @ 7:22 pm
Ich glaube nicht, Robert. Ich bin sicher, dass er ist voll von Scheisse. GPP ist ein scam!
In case you dont know how I feel in english! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 18th January 2011 @ 9:28 pm
Robert,
There is not one shred of proof for any RPP program or programs, so why do you waste your time on this joke, when you could focus your time on important things.
Comment by Louis — 19th January 2011 @ 4:07 pm
@ Robert and maybe others,
it is nice to dream away, sometimes for a while. I liked it with Global Pension Plan, some pictures in mind, what should and could be done for me and others —–
no way anymore –
It is very important to wake up soon enough before too much time, too much energy is squandered –
(If you love life, don’t squander time. This is the stuff life made of
– Benjamin Franklin? )
See Robert I could asked you now, what kind of parcel was it and who was the sender — GPP can mean many things, Great Peer Pressure, Global Pen Partners, Gratis Partner Prognosis
If you really got a parcel from t h a t GPP we are writing here about and if it is not only some papers and then an empty card you must be one of the trustees. Then please make sure that I also get this filled Debitcard. Thank you so much, my friends need it.
Comment by saleil — 20th January 2011 @ 11:54 pm
It seems someone by the name of Robert is impersonating me. I, Robert Moore have not received a GPP package. I don’t want any GPP member to be mislead by any posts here.
Their are two groups in GPP. Group A, those that maintain the GPP website and forum and Group B, the Trustee and special agent group.
I have tested both groups to see which one will payout.
I’ll report if I ever get a package and payout.
Success to all in 2011.
Robert Moore
Comment by ROBERT MOORE — 21st January 2011 @ 3:05 am
I’m surprised you Robert Moore, you being one of the largest developers and praising more to Global Pension Plan and who knows nothing, really you are laughing
ja ja ja.
You should know something more than GPP, you know something that does not mean, what is happening with GPP?
Send us something Robert, simple information to members, that we know nothing, no news forum for Global Pension Plan.
We do not hide anything GPP send us information, so your conscience will be quiet.
Tell us GPP going to pay “YES or NO?
and when?
Something else that of Group A and Group B, both appear or are crooks, because they ask for more money.
I hope you news Robert GPP
and not remain silent.
John
Comment by John — 21st January 2011 @ 10:31 pm
Would the real Robert please stand up? ha Why would one think that just cuz your “screen” name is Robert, that you are THAT Robert? Ive been two screen names here, sheesh and if it walks like a duck, so who cares what you write as your name, more than one Robert in the world….unless, your feelin guilty about something..? I dont know…My actual name is Mary, if people start posting **** that “Mary” said, I wouldnt get offended….more than one Mary in the world.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 30th January 2011 @ 11:41 pm
It makes no difference which Robert, or any other name used for that matter, posts. GPP is a scam. While there may be a Group A and Group B to this, they both are scams just like GPP.
They are long gone. Any notion thete will be an update on the forum is all BS. Anyone who still tries to claim this is real and will pay soon is a liar, and most likely one of the thieves involved. Your money was stolen the day you joined sending them money.
I really do feel for all those who desperately needed this to be real and pay, but sadly those who stole your money could care less about you.
I released my book: Robbing You With A Keyboard Instead Of A Gun – Cyber Crime How They Do It. In my book I break down all the various types of HYIP and Non-HYIP progrmas explaing how they do it and why you fall for them. It is available on Amazon.com, the main site. My only reason for mentioning this is it has already saved people from becoming a victim of these scams. It is why I wrote the book, and I am glad it has helped others. Hopefully it can help you and people you know from falling for these scams.
Here’s the sad news: You have a one in ten chance of being a victim of a scam, or know someone who will become a victim of a scam before the end of 2011. In the UK this number is closer to one in eight. So it can happen to you or someone you know. Protect yourselves people. Get educated and don’t become a victim.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd February 2011 @ 10:47 pm
Robert ….Oh …Robert
Tell us what you know … please NO more BS ….
[Structure of text edited by Ben just to make it easier to read]
Comment by EnglischMoron — 3rd February 2011 @ 5:17 pm
Has anyone noticed that after someone posts exposing GPP as a scam, it is almost immediately followed by a post about the magical debit cards and “great news” that supposedly comes from a “trusted” source?
Did anyone catch the contradictions in Robert’s great news update? For if you did, you would know this is all bunk.
Why Robert Moore and others do this is beyond me. Robert Moore, if this is really you, you are full of it. This is cruel and unusual punishment for those who are still clinging to hope this is real. Especially those who are about to lose evrything. But then a sociopath doesn’t really care, just pretends to care.
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd February 2011 @ 7:26 pm
And of course…all the people that are screaming “Scam” have all the proof in the world that the project, was, indeed, as scam????
Comment by SEAport News — 3rd February 2011 @ 11:36 pm
Robert Moore ” Me podrias regalar una direccion donde pueda solicitar, nos de ánimo sobre GPP. NO SABEMOS NADA. sI VAN A PAGAR. SU COMENTARIO AQUà ME DEJA PENSANDO POSITIVAMENTE..COMO ENVIAMOS. CUANTO HAY QUE GIRAR PARA WL PAQUETE Y PARA LAS TARJETAS. HAY MUCHA INFORMACION , PERO DICEN QUE ES FALSA.
GRACIAS
Comment by PIQUI — 4th February 2011 @ 5:13 am
SEAport News:
Of course we do and it has been presented here in volumes. It is mathematically impossible for this to be done. Now do you really believe that in this worldwide economic downturn, GPP/Trust would be able to pay at a minimum $12 BILLION Dollars or Euro’s? This means they would have to borrow $20 BILLION Dollars or Euro’s. If they sold all 350,000 policies, that is $42.5 BILLION Dollars or Euro’s they would have to pay. This means they would have to borrow $70 BILLION Dollars or Euro’s. That is CASH. Not even the top 100 banks in the world COMBINED could come up with that much CASH to make this happen. This is not assets, but CASH. It would take down all the top 100 banks if they tried. This means they would all go out of business. Still think this is not a scam?
Would you like for me to provide more proof, or does this do it for you?
Comment by EagleOne — 4th February 2011 @ 9:50 pm
Eagleone…I have watched you “mathematically” break it down on this site many times, and the one thing that you never consider is that this program may NOT use all “cash” for their transactions! Cash is not what most banks deal with anyways. It is ALWAYS bearer bonds! Think about it…bonds and treasurery notes are how big money can and is stored these days! Not CASH!
Comment by SEAport News — 5th February 2011 @ 3:10 am
Robert Moore ” Si usted nos da esta información tan alentadora, serÃa bueno que fuera frecuente y mantenernos informados, porque mucha gente se ha desconectado y seiguen pensando que es una estafa.
Para mi, sigo siento optimista y espero que algun dÃa paguen lo prometido, y que GPP sea una Bendición.
Robert Moore If you give us this information so encouraging, it would be good to go often and keep us informed, because many people are disconnected and Seigo think it’s a scam.
For me, I am optimistic and I hope that one day pay as promised, and that GPP is a blessing.
Escuchar
Comment by PIQUI — 5th February 2011 @ 4:04 am
SEAport News:
It makes no difference if it is in cash or bonds, it is still cash. You can’t spend bonds at the store. But Stella, and we all know she does not lie, well at least the believer’s think that; has said you will be paid in cash. GPP/Trust still has to borrow against these policies and the bank is going to loan “cash” to them. It has nothing to do with storage but PAYMENT.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th February 2011 @ 4:13 am
SEAport News:
One more thing. There is no value in these policies whatsoever. A bank will only loan on collateral. These policies would have no value until at least year 7 and possibly year 10. The first three years of premium payments go to cover the cost of issuing, underwriting, and setting aside reserves so if there is a death, the policy can pay to the beneficiay. These “policies” do not exist.
The mantra is that this has been done before, but yet not one bank shows these policies anywhere on their financial statements, as required my law.
Since you think this is real, please explain how they are going to do this. If you can’t explain how it works, it doesn’t exist. But please be the first to do so. The ball is in your court.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th February 2011 @ 4:20 am
Never believe without PROOF!
Comment by LDP — 5th February 2011 @ 5:33 am
Robert Moore ” Sigo esperando una información mas completa. Deben de darnos una señal concreta. Hay mucha gente que ya perdieron la esperanza. Pero yo si creo: llevo 5 años leyendo información sobre GPP. Despues de todo este recorrido, merezco información fidedigna, sicera. Lo debes hacer.
GRACIAS
Robert Moore “I keep waiting for more complete information. They should give us a concrete sign. There are many people who have lost hope. But I do believe: I have 5 years reading about GPP. After all this trip, I deserve accurate information, lying about. What you should do.
HTENK
Comment by PIQUI — 5th February 2011 @ 4:16 pm
SEAport News:
You should know that ‘bearer bonds’ no longer exist in the U.S., and I doubt if they exist in many other countries either. They were a license to steal, thus why they were stopped in the mid-80’s in the U.S.
Comment by EagleOne — 5th February 2011 @ 10:25 pm
@ English Moron
thanks for those old messages. Those were times with hopes. As I understood this was written before June 30, 2009.
It’s only 2 years passed …..
Comment by saleil — 6th February 2011 @ 12:02 am
@ Eagle One,
Now I understand, why GPP lets us wait another 5 – 8 years.
After all the policies will have a value then :)))
So many members will be above 28 or above 67 or being no more here …..
GPP saves a lot of money with waiting
It saves everything into its own pocket :))))
(Beware of irony)
Comment by saleil — 6th February 2011 @ 12:14 am
I am very optimistic about GPP. What I do know is that they are not signing up any new members. It has been temporarily suspended. Don’t know if that is a good sign or not. There is so much poverty and despair in the world and so many individuals are in need. I understand because I work everyday and it is still a struggle. I figure they are not posting any news because there are so many theives out there. As for those trying to figure out how and if GPP could pay out this money. I don’t care how they do it as long as they do it. There is nothing wrong with hope. Hope is what keeps me going and until GPP says they are not going to pay. I will continue hoping. No hope makes the heart sink. I am just keeping the faith. What I don’t beleive is spending more money for debit cards. From my understanding that is what the membership fee was for. I am not spending another dime on GPP. Take care everyone and just keep the faith.
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I N V E S T O R W A R N I N G
(Vienna, 01 August 2009)
Pursuant to Article 4 para. 11 of the Versicherungsaufsichtsgesetz (VAG), the Financial Market Authority (FMA) is entitled in individual cases to disclose to the general public by publication in the official gazette “Amtsblatt zur Wiener Zeitungâ€, or in any other official bulletin with nationwide circulation, the name of a company not entitled to carry out certain insurance transactions.
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Global Pension Plan
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Comment by John — 7th February 2011 @ 8:11 pm
GPP is not an insurance company. They are selling an idea not insurance. I sold several people the idea and I don’t need a license.
To me they are selling an idea. They never claimed to be an insurance company. They are selling memberships not insurance.
Comment by MS.KK — 7th February 2011 @ 9:08 pm
Ms.KK:
So if GPP is not selling insurance but an idea as you claim, what does GPP stand for?
So when Stella said this, and I quote:
“Once the program has been closed, the pension policy is issued in member’s name. At this stage the policy is not active as the Trust Partner hasn’t paid the premium just yet. Now the member is asked to sign the sales contract so that all the liabilities, and benefits too, concerning the policy can be transferred in Trust Partner’s name. At this stage they own the future benefits of the agreement, thus the mortgaging is possible.”
she was lying when she said “Pension Policy”, but was really meaning an idea?
Why the age restrictions if this was just an idea and not an insurance policy?
And when these calculations were used:
Pension insurance maturity value: $200,000; The percentage of the mortgage: 60%; Liquid cash available after the mortgage: $120,000;
Policy premium $41,000; Compensation $55,000; and Loyalty Program Rewards – $2,000 per level X12 levels $24,000 = TOTAL $120,000.
It was just an idea not an insurance policy. Shall I name more instances where Stella and the Trust used the word pension policies not an idea? Still think it was just an “Idea.”
It is true that GPP is not an insurance company, but they were offering an insturance product as shown above. Too bad you misled so many people with your misunderstanding of what GPP was really all about.
Comment by EagleOne — 7th February 2011 @ 10:50 pm
EagleOne…one question for you and please be honest!
Were you, or were you not, a member of GPP?
I will go ahead and tell you that I was a member of GPP, Imperia, WPP and a few more.
Just curious.
Thanks
Comment by SEAport News — 8th February 2011 @ 9:48 am
SEAport News:
I will gladly provide you an honest answer. No I did not join GPP, or any other RPP or HYIP as they are all scams.
I am the founder/president of a nonprofit corporation that exposes these scams/frauds/Ponzi’s to the public. We work with our assigned agents from U.S. federal law enforcement agencies, and law enforcement agencies worldwide, to aid them in their investigations of these illegal companies and in shutting them down, charge the people who run them, arrest and convict them. We have aided in shutting down twenty-two companies to date, with more on the way. We also aided in charges being filed against Pedro Dispenza/Peter Roor and his wife by the U.S. Authorities.
It’s another reason why I wrote my book so people who read it can protect themselves from becoming a victim of these scammers and their promoters. I have had several people who read my book tell me I saved them thousands of dollars from their joining an investment scam. The scams disappeared with all the money within just 3-12 days after they read my book. So I know the book does its job of saving people from losing their hard-earned money to these criminals. Provided of course they read it and apply it.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th February 2011 @ 8:06 pm
Lynn,
I am impressed. Went to your site and read all of your info. The only thing I don’t understand is…you have spent obvious countless hours setting up your site, compiling your information and recruiting your team of retired FBI professionals and other business degree graduates and have yet to provide one source of positive news on “true” investments that may be real.
If you have already been judge and jury on the internet ponzi schemes and fake RPPs, why don’t you offer us some real advice as to where to go to make a solid investment. If you want to sell your book for $14.95 off of Amazon, would it not be a good idea to include a section as to where we might find a “real” bonafide investment vehicle with which to invest with?
Comment by SEAport News — 9th February 2011 @ 1:05 am
@ EagleOne
You claim to be
founder / president of a nonprofit corporation That Exposes These scams / frauds / Ponzi ‘s to the public.
And it works with some agents assigned to federal agencies of the United States
Then answer me honestly:
In many years you researched EagleOne to Global Pension Plan has not shown that Global Pension Plan is illegal, neither has demonstrated those behind Global Pension Plan.
In many years that have passed have not been able to capture the owners or managers of pension Global Plan.
since the GPP website is online.
What documents to U.S. authorities prove that Global Pension Plan is illegal?
Why the SEC does not report on Global Pension Plan is illegal?
Do any document where the FBI or the CIA claims that Global Pension Plan is a scam?
Because according to you claiming to work with the agencies in the world.
I guess you have already asked these agencies.
So we should ask or request documentation to these agencies.
If GPP is illegal why is network with your web?
Eagleone members what they want is the truth.
If you state that Global Pension Plan is a scam, show it.
If you state that Global Pension Plan is not a scam, show it.
Comment by John — 9th February 2011 @ 2:33 am
SEAport News:
First thank you for your very kind words. It is greatly appreciated. We cannot offer any investment advice and recommendations. To offer investment advice you have to be a licensed broker, which we are not. If we did we would be committing a felony.
There are plenty of licensed brokers and financial companies that offer great investment advice. You just won’t find them on the Internet on the major scam forums. You will find them in reputable financial magazines, newspapers (Wall Street Journal, Financial Times, Bloomberg Business & Financial News, Barron’s)and financial blogs. Hope this helps.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th February 2011 @ 8:26 am
John:
Where to begin in answering your post. So let me make this real simple for you. First, I do not “claim to be,” “I AM” the founder/president of a nonprofit corporation, and we do work with assigned agents from several federal law enforcement agencies; as well as law enforcement agencies worldwide.
We are not required to prove that GPP is a scam or real. GPP is responsible to prove it is legitimate and real. It has not. Not once.
Eagle has not been involved in researching and investigating GPP. We had other major cases we were working on that were of far more importance than GPP.
We do not have to investigate or research GPP to know it is a scam. To repeat all the reasons why is redundant at this point. They have been repeated hundreds, if not thousands of times, right here on this Blog. But to make it simple for you, here’s why they are a scam:
1. Mathematically impossible for this to be done.
2. They are not licensed or registered anywhere to offer an insurance product, which is a requirement if you are selling or offering an insurance product, which they are.
3. It is financially impossible for the top 100 banks combined in the world to lend this much “CASH” to GPP.
4. It is impossible for one insurance company to issue this many policies. They cannot even meet the reserve requirements they would have to make to comply with insurance regulations.
5. There are no underwriting requirements to participate in GPP, but are required in a real pension policy.
6. They have missed 7 deadlines they said would be the end date for the program and payment to begin.
7. There is no such product as a reverse pension plan, just as there are no Prime Bank Notes. They are all a myth, lie and fake.
8. If all the above does not convince you GPP is a scam, nothing will.
But whether or not you believe me does not change the fact it is a scam.
As to why the SEC and FBI has not issued a ruling against GPP, GPP is an insurance product, not an investment product. The SEC only deals with investment products. The FBI would only get involved if enough people filed a complaint with them.
I have no clue why you think the CIA would have anything to do with GPP. They are the Central Intelligence Agency (think spy).
There has been several European countries where their insurance director/commissioner has declared GPP is not licensed with them. You even provided reference to one of them below.
While we did not research or investigate GPP, does not mean that we won’t warn the people this is a scam. Since one of our dual missions is to educate and warn the public about Internet investment scams, that is what I was doing even though this is an insurance product. Just so you know, I have over 10 years of staff management experience in the insurance industry.
Over the five years that this has been running, any information we did receive was sent to the proper insurance authorities for them to research. We do not control what happens after we report it.
There have been enough people warning the public not to join GPP, and not to buy any additional policies. The fact many people chose to ignore all of us is on their shoulders. BUT they were warned.
I hope I have addressed all your questions, but the bottom line is anyone who challeges a program for its legality is not the one who has to prove anything. It is the company or program that must prove they are legitimate. This is something, as previosly stated, GPP has not done; “EVER.” It is all smoke and mirrors.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th February 2011 @ 9:14 am
John:
I did want to address one more question of yours, and it is this one: “What documents to U.S. authorities prove that Global Pension Plan is illegal?”
It’s not what documents to US authorities prove that GPP is illegal, it was the documents that were not provided by GPP to the US authorities that proves it is illegal.
I hope the information provided was helpful and answered all your questions. If not let me know.
Comment by EagleOne — 12th February 2011 @ 7:45 am
Eagleone…I want to comment on your comment about GPP and US. You seem to be under opinion that US authorities have jurisdiction around world. I know you reside in US and are upholding that US govt. is in control of everything but I don’t see how GPP or any other entity for that matter, must always ante to US whims and wishes. If they do business, and it is legal or illegal, they will ante to country they reside in…not US all the time. Somehow…Americans have come to believe that the world revolves around US laws and govt. and that is simply not true everywhere.
Comment by Sulman C. — 12th February 2011 @ 9:49 am
VAKE UP ALL OF YOU
Can´t anone who has recived there package confirm it here
without any clue, if you exist!!
please drop the bomb and tell us pre belivers.
It will stop a lot of the bull on this site
Comment by Ubbe — 12th February 2011 @ 6:37 pm
EagleOne and
How you can assert or claim that GPP does not deliver documents to the authorities in the U.S.?
Demonstrate what you say!,
Try it!, without proof you
can not claim that, as if it were true.
Comment by John — 13th February 2011 @ 12:18 am
Agreed with John. Eagleone..you make assumptions because you think you know how all business work. US govt. doesn’t control the world…although you would like to think so. SEC cannot touch GPP as they do not deal securities. As with Scottland Yard, FBI would need many witness to prosecute. I don’t say GPP is legal or illegal…I just don’t agree that US is all knowing+all controlling.
Comment by Sulman C. — 13th February 2011 @ 1:11 am
Ubbe, Sulman C, & John:
I am going to address all three of you at once to save space and time.
The US authorities do have authority over GPP since they solicted US citizens to particpate in their scam. If just one US citizen is solicited, the program must comply with US laws. That means since this is an “INSURANCE” product, they must be licensed and registered to do business in every state in the US from which they have members. Since no such paperwork exists, it is why I said they are not legal. It is not that hard to follow unless you don’t want to accept facts.
I already explained that the SEC has nothing to do with GPP. It was in my first response to John.
Matter of fact, GPP is not licensed or regsitered in any country in which they do business to sell “INSURANCE.” Notice I did not say “SECURITIES.” There have been several countries who have said GPP is not licensed, registered, or authorized to sell insurance products in their country. Re-read John’s post about Austria. You don’t call that factual?
Instead of me proving, which I have DONE repeatedly that GPP is a lie, illegal and a scam; just once one of you post something factual that says it is. And no, do not quote Stella or their inane marketing material.
Provide one, just one, country where they are licensed and registered to sell “INSURANCE.” Be the first to explain why “7” missed deadlines with real facts. Name the insurance company, name the members of the trust, and name the bank that is going to lend $12-$42 Billion Dollars.
For if you can you will be the first to ever do so. So bring it on. Prove me wrong. Quit blowing smoke, and post real facts.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th February 2011 @ 4:51 am
Eagleone…has it occurred to you that GPP may not actually be insurance agent? They were solicitor for people so that insurance agents could draw from list of people and do business. GPP doesnot have to be “liscensed” to do business. Just the agents of the shadow insurance company they represent. And, you think 42 billion is a lot. Hozni Mubarek just kept 70 billion of Egypt money alone in swiss bank account. It would not be just “one” bank. Will be multitude of banks setup as a group for processing throughout world. GPP is just group to recruit. Nothing more. Business is done behind closed doors so that people like you and I cannot know and then pretend to know. You are like me…you have opinion..that is all.
Comment by Sulman C. — 13th February 2011 @ 9:55 am
Sulman C:
GPP is offering an insurance product, and they must be licensed to “sell” the same. You were letting them use your name so they could obtain a pension plan in your name, correct? To do this, they had to make you an offer to buy into their program. That means they must be licensed as agents to even offer you this program. The program itself is supposedly an insurance product, which also means it has to be licensed.
So what is the name of the Trust members, what is the name of the insurance company, what is the name of the bank or lending institution?
Now in regard to the $12 or $42 Billion. The money is coming from banks. This means they have to pay in CASH. The top 100 banks in the world cannot loan and payout this amount of money in CASH. The last time I checked, the former president of Egypt was not a bank, but that was his personal bank account. Now if he wants to loan GPP the money, all the power to him. Somehow I don’t think he will, do you? Obviously you have no clue what CASH versus ASSETS are in banking.
Again, you are blowing smoke. Come on you have had 5 years to have these facts, so where are they? Your hypotheticals are getting old. Come on give some facts. Still waiting.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th February 2011 @ 10:41 am
I have inside source within the lawfirms hired by GPP and indeed the GPP financier is none other than Mubarek himself. That is why he is giving up his power in Egypt because he has GPP and he choose to retire. The payout delays were caused by the political situation in Egypt. Mubarek cannot be linked to GPP and this is where the GPP Trustee comes in. If you’re a GPP member and sitting on the fence, stand up and get a debit card from the GPP Trustee ASAP! Ask your sponsor or other members with the info. Now that Egypt is resolved, GPP will move forward.
Comment by Robert — 13th February 2011 @ 12:36 pm
GPP is so much BIGGER than Eagle One. His opinion means nothing. GPP is connected to financial resources of the highest level. Extremely secret banking that handles the wealth of the world billionaires. Eagle One cannot dream to even be said in the same sentence with them.
Comment by Robert — 13th February 2011 @ 12:40 pm
Robert,
thanks, finally we know where the money should come from.
Could you please give me the address of one of the GPP Trustees so that I can stand up and get my debit card?
Does that money really comes from Mubarak?
Do you want that kind of money?
Actually it belongs to the Egyptian people.
Comment by saleil — 13th February 2011 @ 4:44 pm
Eagleone…you blow smoke. You come on this forum and tell everyone that the GPP MUST convince American authorities that a crime has not been done! Remember, and I think I am correct regarding the American Penal System, that one is considered INNOCENT until proven guilty. So far, you are the smoke and mirrors…I have not seen on evidence where you have a court order brought by any FBI investigator in US that says that GPP has done anything wrong. If you have such info, share it to us poor dumb idiot investors that know nothing. Turn the mirror on you…you know no more than I know!
Comment by Sulman C. — 13th February 2011 @ 5:02 pm
EagleOne
GPP once had the model of an offshore bank account where the members could draw the money from via debit card – with a daily or monthly limit.
In that case would there also be so much CASH necessary?
In their best times GPP even mentioned this offshore bank account could be used like any other private account with normal electronic banking.
Comment by saleil — 13th February 2011 @ 5:04 pm
Eagleone…The mortgaging of pension contracts is similar to a real estate property mortgage. The contract becomes collateral and is a legally binding agreement provided by a reputable company.
Comment by Sulman C. — 13th February 2011 @ 5:37 pm
Sulman C:
It is all a lie. There is no value in a pension pollicy until at least year 7, and then it is nominal. For a bank to make this loan, there must be collateral. Since these pension plans have no value, they cannot be used for collateral.
You are grasping at straws blowing smoke again. None of what Stella said is true, nor any of their marketing material.
Come on bring the meat and potatoes to the table. Name the members of the Trust, Name the Insurance Company, Name the Lending Institution, heck just name when they are going to pay. Still waiting on facts.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th February 2011 @ 8:41 pm
Sulman C:
Since I know you will not believe what I just posted about these policies having no value until at least year 7, and therefore no bank would loan against them due to no collateral. Tell you what you need to do.
You go to your banker and tell him you want to borrow $120,000 (60% of the $200,000 policy). You are going to use your $200,000 pension policy you just bought as collateral. All loan payments will be paid from the value of the pension policy, so the bank has no risk. AFter all that is what the Trust is going to do, right? So it should be no problem for you to get this loan.
Then come back here and tell all of us what your banker said.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th February 2011 @ 9:06 pm
ROBERT MORE. ENTONCES GPP ES REAL., PAGARÃ GPP. QUIERO CREER QUE ESTO ES CIERTO . CUANDO DICEN QUE GPP SIGNIFICA MUCHO LO COMPARAN CON UN AGUILA.SON LOS MILLONARIOS MAS GRANDES DEL MUNDO?
ENTONCES. ¿CÓMO OBTENGO MI TARJETA DEBITO?
PIQUI
MORE ROBERT. GPP IS SO REAL., PAY GPP. I WANT TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS TRUE. GPP MEAN WHEN THEY SAY SO MUCH AGUILA.SON COMPARE WITH THE WORLD’S LARGEST MILLIONAIRES?
THEN. HOW DO I GET MY DEBIT CARD?
Piqui
Comment by PIQUI — 13th February 2011 @ 11:40 pm
No Eagleone…You bring facts. All you do is blow smoke about what you know about GPP…if I did not know more…I would say you are head of GPP with all the knowledge you have of the program. I asked you to show FBI record of complaint against GPP from US citizen(s) and you did not. What is up???? Could it be you don’t have proof of any complaint from US citizen or could it be that you are not clued in enough to know how to get such information. You seem to know so much about maturity values and bank operations, yet you don’t produce bit of evidence of wrongdoing! You blow smoke, BIG TIME!
Comment by Sulman C. — 14th February 2011 @ 12:59 am
By way Eagleone…from what i saw on public tv…your mortgage mess in US with Fannie and Freddie tells me all I need to know about your bankers and how they make loans and collateral. HAAAAAAAAA
Also…you do know that there are other programs out there like GPP, right?
Comment by Sulman C. — 14th February 2011 @ 1:14 am
Sulman C: So what did your banker say?
Comment by EagleOne — 14th February 2011 @ 4:26 am
Sulman C: And you know that all the of the other RPP’s are scams just like GPP, right? Still waiting on your facts, but not going to hold my breath.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th February 2011 @ 5:02 am
Wow ……. I feel stupid! ……………feels like a truck just hit my head. So simple, yet people just don’t get it?
Comment by EnglischMoron — 14th February 2011 @ 7:52 am
I hope gpp will read all these massages.
I hope that the admin will give us some info.
Please gpp let us not wait.
Iff you gpp are fake say it,waiting gives for many people problems.
A lot of people have financial problems….waiting kills them.
Hans
Comment by Hans — 14th February 2011 @ 8:46 am
Oh yes Eagleone, and I still wait on your complaints from govt. officials, and I am sure I will never see those either. You know Eagleone..to not have invested in GPP at what 50 or 60 euros, you sure do worry about it a lot. Tell me…over the course of your life, how many times have gambled at Vegas or lottery? it is same…no different…you take gamble and go. But I sure you are “business” man with book to sell, so you make money that way.
Comment by Sulman C. — 14th February 2011 @ 9:56 am
Sulman C:
No, gambling in a casino is not the same as GPP. At least when you gamble in a casino you have a chance of winning. In GPP it was a pure scam. Now you are grasping at straws trying to put lipstick on a pig. All your examples are nothing more than smoke and mirros to the fact you have no facts to show that GPP is real.
So why didn’t you contact your banker as I suggested? Afraid of what he was going to say, or was it because you knew he would laugh you out of the bank with your absurd request?
Here’s another way you can find out if GPP is real. As your insurance agent what the cost of the annual premium would be for a $200,000 pension policy for a 50 year old. Also ask him how much salary you would have to have to even purchase a $200,000 pension policy. Then come back and tell what he said.
So, you’re afraid to ask your banker, are you also afraid to ask your insurance agent too? Of course you are because to do so would disprove GPP was real.
The subject is GPP, not anything else that you have tried to make it a discussion about. So, where’s your facts this is real?
As for any complaints to the FBI, I have no clue as I don’t work for the FBI, nor would they share them with me. It makes no difference if there are or aren’t. The bottom line is GPP is a scam. Seven failed payment dates should have told you this by now. But if you still want to believe in fantasy land this is real, be my guest.
So when you want to provide your facts, I am waiting. But as always, you have nothing or you would have already presented your facts. So just who is the Trust partners again? Who is the insurance company? Who is the lending institution that is going to make these loans?
Let me make this easy for you. There are no reverse pension policies. They do not exist. Just like there are no prime bank notes. They are both myths.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th February 2011 @ 6:12 pm
Eagleone…you have not proved anything. I have my opinion of which you are not going to change. You think you know insurance. Haaaaa….you might in US, but not in rest of world. No doubt, you don’t know how the big insurance companies of world operates. Let’s just leave at this…next time I talk to insurance agent…I will ask him. Next time, I talk to bank manager, I will ask him. And…next time you see your FBI man that works on your team, you ask him about complaints. unless you can prove a crime was committed, then you have no proof! Same as I. Mr. Smoke and Mirror man
Comment by Sulman C. — 14th February 2011 @ 11:10 pm
Sulman C:
Just as predicted. YOU have nothing but smoke and mirrors. You nave not presented one fact, EVER, about GPP. Simple reason is you can’t. There aren’t any facts other than this is a scam. Anyone with an IQ higher than the inside temp of a refridgerator knows this now.
The people behind GPP left a long time ago. There are countless scams that fold and the pimp ran with the money that never had a complaint filed; but they were still a scam just like GPP.
There never was any trust, there never was any reverse pension plan, there never was any insurance company, just as there never was any lending institution. It was all make-believe, fantasy land. It was never going to pay anyone, except the people who dreamed this up. It won’t pay next month, in six months, this year or any year to come. IT IS A SCAM. In case you hadn’t noticed, Elvis has left the building.
You continue to live in your fantasy world all you want. But I am through playing your circle-jerk logic game, well at least your pathetic attempt at circle-jerk logic.
Comment by EagleOne — 14th February 2011 @ 11:53 pm
Eagleone…only JERK in this is you…You have manners of a jerk!
Comment by Sulman C. — 15th February 2011 @ 1:33 am
Don’t you just hate it when your scam de jour gets outed as a acam.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th February 2011 @ 2:12 am
Sulman C:
Flattery will get you nowhere with me, only facts. But I do appreciate the compliment.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th February 2011 @ 10:15 am
By the way. I heard that the admin of GPP saw his shadow so there will be six more weeks of no updates, and six more years of no payments. But you can still buy more policies.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th February 2011 @ 10:18 am
Eagleone…you prove nothing is scam yet…as far as I know…program is still operating. you presume a lot! Presumptions won’t win the race!
Comment by Sulman C. — 15th February 2011 @ 10:51 pm
Sulman C:
I need your help. I have been trying to prove my ex-wife has been wrong all these years, and now you have done something that will help me prove her wrong. If I give you her name and contact info, will you tell her I am just a “JERK.” You see for years she has claimed I am an A-hole, and now you can prove her wrong. Contact me for her info and thanks.
Comment by EagleOne — 15th February 2011 @ 11:55 pm
Eagleone…why don’t you do her a favor and get divorce…then she won’t think about you at all. LOL
Comment by Sulman C. — 16th February 2011 @ 12:30 am
Sulman C: Uh, I said ‘EX-wife.” My current wife loves me. This was one way to get rid of my “Ex” for good.
Comment by EagleOne — 16th February 2011 @ 1:00 am
OK, enough levity for one day. This program died a long time ago. The perps behind it ran off with everyone’s money at least a year ago. It is why you have not had any new updates. The only ones trying to keep this alive are the shills you are trying to recover their losses by this nonsense of the debit cards. Just more ways to steal even more money from people who can least afford it.
Not one RPP has paid, or will pay because they are all scams. You would think people would learn by now, but alas some never learn.
Suleman C.: One thing you don’t understand. It is up to GPP to prove it is real. More than enough proof has been presented here by many people to prove this is a scam. The fact you don’t want to accept it is your problem.
So you keep believing this will pay, and next year you will still be waiting and waiting and waiting; and it still won’t pay.
Comment by EagleOne — 16th February 2011 @ 1:05 am
Sulman C:
I wanted to thank you for your good sense of humor with the fun I have had with my last few posts. Thanks for being such a good sport in all of this.
Comment by EagleOne — 16th February 2011 @ 8:30 am
Eagleone…when/if any of these programs pay…I am fly to California and buy you a drink while I show you bank account(s) and we will see what reaction you have at that time. Until then…
Comment by Sulman C. — 16th February 2011 @ 9:29 am
I will not go into details but payout coming soon. If you don’t want to be left out, here’s the info for the GPP Visa debit card. Pay and put your GPP username in the memo section.
– Liberty Reserve Account : [removed] (Global Debit SILVER)
– Liberty Reserve Account : [removed] (Global Debit GOLD)
To summarize the Debit Card types :
– SILVER costs $25 per card, ATM cash withdrawal limit of $500 daily.
– GOLD costs $75 per card, ATM cash withdrawal limit of $2,500 daily.
– PLATINUM costs $200 per card, ATM cash withdrawal limit of $10,000 daily.
[Edit by Ben: Account numbers removed just in case anyone was silly enough to send money to them]
Comment by Robert — 16th February 2011 @ 11:38 am
For all of you who said the US authorities did not have jurisdiction outside the US, you would find this interesting:
A top federal prosecutor said today that the United States would vigorously investigate and prosecute “business opportunity†fraudsters who target Americans.
“This is true even if they operate from outside of the United States,†said Wifredo A. Ferrer, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of Florida. “International law enforcement cooperation eliminates safe havens for those who cheat American citizens from overseas.â€
In fact they have already extradited five and have three more in the works. So much for being offshore keeps the US authorities at bay.
Robert, I want to thank you for the best laugh I have had in a long, long time with your claim that Mubarek is funding GPP. So what kept him from fumding it back in 08-09 when this was supposed to pay?
Comment by EagleOne — 17th February 2011 @ 12:12 am
Eagleone..question for you…so…is same cooperation given when US cheaters cheat nonUS “foreign” investors out of funds??
Comment by Sulman C. — 17th February 2011 @ 1:38 am
Sulman C: As far as I know they do. I do know that foreigners can file complaints with the SEC, FBI, IC3, StopFraud, and the FTC. I also know the US authorities work wtih foreign authorities and will extradite any US citizen to a foregn law enforcement agency to stand trial for scamming that country’s citizens.
Comment by EagleOne — 17th February 2011 @ 3:00 am
I say that the sheep want their own pens and hay is ready now the law will see what he says;; the moment at which there is a complicated and tem everywhere;;
Comment by vasilios — 17th February 2011 @ 4:50 pm
It has been said and proven that the bigger the lie, and the more frequently it is told, the easier it is people will believe it.
So Robert, when you posted this information:
– GOLD costs $75 per card, ATM cash withdrawal limit of $2,500 daily.
– PLATINUM costs $200 per card, ATM cash withdrawal limit of $10,000 daily.
what proof do you have this is true?
There are no ATM’s anywhere in the world that will dispense $2,500, let alone $10,000, to one person per day, NONE.
Looking forward to your proof this is true.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th February 2011 @ 10:43 pm
Eagle, you’re so stupid. It’s the card limit not the machine limit. I myself have a debitcard with $2,000 daily limit. With a $500 machine then you do it 4 times on different machines. My gosh you are so stupid
Comment by Robert — 19th February 2011 @ 8:28 am
Robert: Proof please. Your word means nothing. After all, you were claiming that Mubarek was funding GPP. Still want to stick to that story? LOL!
Comment by EagleOne — 19th February 2011 @ 10:51 am
Robert,
Why Mubarak ?????????
Why not Osama BL???
Comment by EnglischMoron — 19th February 2011 @ 4:28 pm
Proof is GPP members will GET PAID !! Be patient guys ! And Eagle One will be poor because no one will buy his book anymore LOL LMAO
Comment by Robert — 19th February 2011 @ 4:33 pm
Robert..you waste time with Eagleone. He is from the American GOP far right and they only believe that money made on backs of the lower working class. That is how capitalist see things. Let me make my money off people by selling book to keep them on straight path!
Comment by Sulman C. — 19th February 2011 @ 5:05 pm
Robert,
you ask us patience to members, but
Until when?
There is much silence and isolation of GPP to the members.
When do we have GPP receive good news?
When are we going to pay GPP?
Comment by John — 19th February 2011 @ 6:41 pm
Let’s see, when Sulman C was asked to provide his facts and proof, there was none. When Robert was asked to provide his facts and proof, there was none. Robert was the one who said Mubarek was going to fund GPP, and had the gall to say I was stupid. Too rich.
See you are still ducking providing any proof or facts just like Sulman C. All either of you have done is provide insults, feeble attempts at best, name-calling and running around in circles chasinsg your tail.
I am still waiting on proof, just one, proving GPP is real. And like all the rest, you cannot even name one. So thanks for proving that GPP is a scam. You did it far better than I ever could.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th February 2011 @ 7:05 pm
Eagleone…I am baffled by continuous moaning of proof…where is your proof that it is NOT a scam. You have shown no more proof that is not than we have that it is. Writing down some numbers and math and you claiming that your figures would be how GPP would have to operate is me saying that I know how they operate. You do not. You never have. You work in insurance industry but you work in status quo industry. Not what the ultra rick deal with. You have shown no proof and until you prove that it is not, then we are at stale mate. Remember…judicial system of your great country…innocent til PROVEN guilty. Not guilty and prove innocence. And yes..you are here to sell book. Period.
Comment by Sulman C. — 19th February 2011 @ 8:19 pm
Sulman C:
There has been more proof presented right here on this Blog in the past 3 years by more than just me. The fact you do not want to accept it as proof is your problem, not that the facts have not been presented.
But here’s the real proof: “7,” count them, “7” missed deadlines. The last being two years ago. TWO YEARS.
Now if it is as Robert has said that the former Egyptian president Mubarek was the one behind GPP to fund it, then why didn’t it fund in 2008-2009? There wasn’t anyone trying to take him out of power back then. Hmmm, so much for Mubarek being the one behind GPP. Notice that Robert has backed away from that lie?
You conveniently overlook the fact that no lending institution will make a loan without collateral. There are no values in these policies when they are issued. As stated many, many times before, the value does not even begin to show up until year 7 and in many year 8. But let’s break this down for you a little more.
They say they are going to pay a $41,000 avereage premium up front. Not allowing for any administrative costs by the insurance company for these policies, that means the most value in the policies is $41,000. Now the lender loans 60% of the value of the policy, $41,000 (remember the face amount is $200,000, not the value of the policy. That is only the value of the policy at maturity.), that means the lender will only loan $24,600. So where does the rest of the money come to pay you $55,000 and the $24,000 referral fee? Also the so-called “Trust” has to make payments on the amount borrowed, so where are they getting the money? Oh right, they are billionaires. So a billionaire is going to lose money each year until maturity and then get a paltry 2-3% return on his investment. Not going to be a billionaire long with that kind of investing knowledge. In fact, they would have never made it to being a billionaire if that is how they invest. One of the richest men in the world, Warren Buffett who is a billionaire, only “averages” a 30% rate of return on his portfolio and that is considered one of the best going.
So please respond with your “FACTS” this is real. You haven’t yet, and no-one for that matter has, so step up and be the first. Just think of how big of a hero you will be to the over 450,000 members in this scam.
Your turn, I’m waiting.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th February 2011 @ 12:05 am
Eagleone…you assume everything. None of the numbers you use are real. you don’t know what type of system they use. You are assuming and you even say you are not a member yourself. How do you get such information?? Do you know how all of Warren Buffet’s businesses operate…do you really know that he only gets 30% return? How do you know all of this??? You assume more than know and in turn, you are trying to be the hero of all here. Sell book, make your money while you are looking out for everyone else and tell them that no such way to make money exists. You will be shown one day. I don’t pretend to know business as I don’t know people of GPP and don’t know their habits. You say you are not member, but you know a lot about them. Makes me wonder Mr smoke and mirror man…
Comment by Sulman C. — 20th February 2011 @ 12:10 am
Sulman C:
One more thing, it is not up to me, or anyone else for that matter, to prove this is a scam. It is up to GPP to prove it is real. I don’t have to prove that Microsoft is an illegal company, Microsoft has to prove it is a real company. I don’t have to prove that Fidelity Investments is an illegal company, it is up to Fidelity INvestments to prove it is a legal company.
Only in Ponzi/Scam land does the person challenging the validity of the program are demanded to provide proof, instead of the Ponzi/Scam de jour proving it is legal.
I know you really want it to be true, but GPP has never been anything but a scam. The mere fact they had a bogus website that had more holes in it than Swiss Cheese, that the database was probably stolen countless times, the fact they could not keep it online from hackers, the fact that their website looked like a third grader designed it, and it had a bought off the shelf script should have been your first clues. But you bought the hype and dream of riches, just like they had planned it.
Since the dollar cost was so low to join, is the only reason why they got so many suckered into this scam. If they were charging $450 to join, not so many would have fallen for it. But since they kept it so low, hundreds of thousands joined. When they did make available more policies, many people put far more than $450 into it. Funny how you would balk at an initial $450 fee, but once you could buy more than one policy, the $450 was no longer an obstacle to pay. All you could think of was how many policies times $55,000 would be. No-one stopped to think of the total amount of the money that would have to be “borrowed” for the “Trust” to make this happen.
Now would you like for me to repeat what the true cost Stella said the costs were, and how the “Trust” was making up the difference for the members? Further demonstrating they were losing money on each member? I will gladly quote it for you.
This real. Get real. This is a SCAM. But even you will not accept anything I have said. But the truth is the people behind GPP ran a long, long time ago. No-one is home, you just think they are.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th February 2011 @ 12:20 am
Sulman C:
Not it is you who is grasping at straws. It is public record of how Warren Buffett makes his money. He is written up in almost every financial magazine going, and has been interviewed more times that one can count. He is very open as to how he invests, and his returns. He is listed in Forbes Top 100 Richest Men/Women magazine. Funny how all these billionaires of the “Trust” are magically missing.
But as said too many times, nothing will prove to you this is a SCAM. So quit ducking, and provide proof it is real. It is just as valid for me to ask you to prove your comments as it is for you to demand I do. So where’s your facts/proof? OH right, you don’t have any but trying to call me names and hurl insults.
Still haven’t answered why it hasn’t paid after 7 deadlines. So provide facts as to why not.
Comment by EagleOne — 20th February 2011 @ 12:25 am
Hello members
Can you tell me when will have to pay GPP?
GPP why not report anything?
Does anyone
I can tell if GPP and was closed?
Comment by John — 20th February 2011 @ 12:51 am
Robert. Creo en sus comentarios con respecto a GPP. ¿QUE TIEMPO CREE USTE QUE DEBEMOS ESPERAR?. ¿ES TRISTE LO QUE ESTà HACIENDO GPP. Tiene a mucha gente soñando despierta. ¿Usted dice que GPP Paga, si está tan seguro darnos una señal de esperanza. Todo se ha ido en cuentos y hasta ahora mmmmm.. nada.
Robert. I believe in his comments regarding GPP. CREE USTE WHAT TIME WE EXPECT?. SAD IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING GPP. It has a lot of people daydreaming. Are you saying that GPP pay, if you’re so sure to give us a sign of hope. Everything has gone on stories, and even now .. mmmmm nothing.
Comment by PIQUI — 20th February 2011 @ 4:29 am
Eagleone…you have provided your own answer as to why they have not paid yet. Allowing policies to mature. Simple. As far as insults go…You insult all with your sarcasm more than I could ever do. Ego is very large Eagleone. Hope you don’t lose it one of these days.
Comment by Sulman C. — 20th February 2011 @ 5:05 pm
Well said PIQUI
Comment by John — 21st February 2011 @ 1:05 am
Hello
Does anyone know why GPP is delaying the payments?
Comment by John — 21st February 2011 @ 1:18 am
Piqui
it seems that neither Robert nor Sulman C. answer your question, nor any other member answers my question.
We expected that they deen us some hope on the GPP payments, but it seems that even they believe it.
My opinion is that there is something dark GPP is why we have remained silent for several months, not if GPP is scam or may be real, but the facts show that GPP can be, but very well designed, and such seems that is not the first administration of GPP that began with Stella who are in charge of the web, but others because they take little interest in communicating with its members, total silence.
Although there is no evidence that GPP is a scam tends to be, and may be the reason EagleOne.
Comment by John — 22nd February 2011 @ 3:06 am
Sulman C:
Sarcasm is not insulting it is irony. One cannot lose something that one does not have.
I really do feel sorry for all the people who fell for this scam, and for those who still want to believe this is true. It was and is all a lie, and has been a lie from the beginning.
Here’s a fact for you: GPP has said that they have done this before, but on a smaller scale. This means that they are claiming these reverse pension plan policies exist. This also means they have had an insurance company that issued the policies and they had a lender issue a loan against them. Since almost all banks are publicly held, meaning they issue public financial statements for all to see, not one of these publicly traded banks has ever shown any reverse pension plan policies on their books as collateral for their loans. Not only do they not show these pension plan policies on their books, they do not show them on their lending statements anywhere; which they are required by law to do. It makes no difference where the public bank or insurance company is registered or does business. Failure to report these items on their financial statements would cause the bank to lose not only its charter, but be foreclosed upon and go out of business.
Fact: There is only one market where TEP’s are traded and that is on the London Exchange. Yet these policies cannot be listed for trading until they are at least 7 years old, and in many cases today 9 years old. It takes that long for any value to be accumulated into the policy for there be any value to trade. Today they are not even being traded as they have no value, or the return is so low no-one will buy them.
Fact: Of all the people who bought into this scam, there is no way the vast majority of them would even qualify to receive a $200,000 pension policy let alone if it was a reverse pension plan policy (Reverse Pension Plan policies do not exist. It is all make-believe).
Are you sure you are not related to Extan, extan, or EXTAN? I had to use all three of the spellings of his name since he posted under all three and I did not want to slight him. A lot of similarities in your posting. He disappeared after he said that GPP would pay out last May, and of course they didn’t.
Now it is your turn to provide some facts for a change instead of just a lot of empty words like always.
Comment by EagleOne — 24th February 2011 @ 11:28 am
NEWS from RoyalPensionFund Co. – remained less than 900 contracts!
“Dear members,
To date we have purchased more than 11,100 contracts. This rapid growth rate, faster than expected in our business plan. We congratulate, at this rate we will quickly sell all 12,000 contracts. Thank you for your cooperation, you are very dear to us.
Administration of the RoyalPensionFund Co. ”
royalpensionfund.com
Comment by samanta — 25th February 2011 @ 9:47 am
As far as I remember, those were extan’s, EXTAn’s last comments:
“1696
Eagle you are right, this seems to be a true scam, nothing going on, just delay tactics!
Comment by extan – March 19, 2009 @ 8:45 am”
“1697
Oh NO! Extan, say it aint so….You had such faith ……….
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK.. – March 19, 2009 @ 3:12 pm”
“1699
extan, interesting you now also believe this is a scam, but appreciate your admitting it. I still have to wonder what Extan, EXTAN, and Extans feel about this. ………..
Comment by EagleOne – March 24, 2009 @ 9:52 pm”
“1700
No exciting news from Stella, it is all too obvious how they play. They should make it worthwile to sent in those documents, but they don’t, that’s why nobody really cares.
Comment by EXTAn – March 26, 2009 @ 9:44 am”
In the beginning he had contact with Stella via telephone, at least it seemed to be Stella from GPP. Apparantly there was disappointment at the end – like it happened to many many others
Wonder how he is doing, since he had some surgeries
Comment by saleil — 27th February 2011 @ 3:40 pm
@John:
You asked if anyone knows why GPP has delayed payment. To that I ask, which time?
The 6 “FINAL” payout dates since 2008 had a multitude of excuses, lets see, stella died or something (you know, she was the only office girl apparently handeling over 100,000 people), papers were incomplete, more policies to sell, those darn naysayers somehow delayed something, Im sure Im forgetting a couple more. One nonsense excuse after another, oh, and the BUSY work, having you guys hop from website to website, to get away from hackers and such.
Again, to the new people who are on here, lets not forget how GPP pretended to give money to Bread for Kids, that alone tells me about their character (or lack thereof). To use a charity to get more money, SHAMELESS, and you think their gonna pay you!
@Eagle One: I wouldnt argue with them anymore, like the saying goes, its hard to fill a cup that is already full. Lettem wait for their imaginary payout. They will probably get the money on December 20th, 2012 (you know, the day before….the END! hahahaha) looking forward to that day too. People can be so silly.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 28th February 2011 @ 11:12 pm
Oh, and here is just an in general question for the believers: Why is it, that they still keep asking for more money, yet never pay out? By now, what 4 years later (no, it started in 05 right? or 06?) anyway, whenever, they should have all the money they need and much, much, more. Think about it this way, if you open a checking account here in the USA, you get a debit card for free. Why the hell would you pay for a debit card? Or, if you want that fancy football team debit card, they ding your account $25.00 per YEAR. What idiot would spend $200 on a debit card?! Even if you go buy a debit card and fill it yourself, it only costs $20.00. This paying for the “different” kinds of debit cards is their newest scam within a scam. You keep sending them money, they keep finding new ways to make you pay for more useless shit. NEWS FLASH: They already have your money! That is your money in their hands, why do they need more of your money??
How on earth do you produce a get rich quick scheme without having a payout plan in place? Answer: they never planned to pay out, why think it through all the way….
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 28th February 2011 @ 11:35 pm
Its the carot being dangled infront of the donkey, it keeps walking, but it never catches the carot! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 28th February 2011 @ 11:40 pm
http://miastala.com/s/archives/14685
Comment by vasilios — 28th February 2011 @ 11:40 pm
Eagleone…no idea on “Extan” as I don’t know person. It is sarcasm, not irony. It is ironic how many people are posting that not claim to be members of GPP. That is very ironic. For $55, one would think world came to an end. I have lost more gambling before, than I have on GPP.
Comment by Sulman C. — 1st March 2011 @ 10:56 am
Not the point Sulman. $55.00 from you, $55.00 from your friends, $55.00 from family, and $55.00 from each person who bought policies (one policy, 6 policies…cheap enough to buy many, right!! ). From everyone who bought a policy(s) in Europe, America, Mexico, Spain, Africa…..thats alot of $55.00! At least gambling is legal (river boats, casinos etc). You know what you get when you gamble, no lies, you make a bet and you either win or you lose. Your not promised a guarantee win!
GPP makes promises that they dont keep, thats the difference. They sell you your dream, and you buy thinking it will help you. They are bad people.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st March 2011 @ 5:23 pm
@ Vasilios: What website is that? I dont speak that language, it looks like a horoscope? I cant use the translator (not that those work properly- babblefish..) because I dont know what language its in, from your name Im thinking Greek? Am I right?
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 1st March 2011 @ 5:27 pm
Sulman C: I see you are still ducking providing any proof that GPP is real. Look up the word sarcasm, you will see that it clearly says it is “irony.”
No, it is not ironic that so many people who are not members of GPP are posting. So what does being a member have to do with being able to post, or for that matter to expose this is a scam?
Still waiting on one of the faithful to post just one fact that GPP is real. So far there have been zero, zilch, nada, nil, goose egg, none. You would think that after 5 years they could have found just one.
Speaking of 5 years, it will soon be the 6th anniversary of GPP. I hear that they are planning a big shindig in Paris at one of the most expensive restaurants to celebrate reaching this milestone. Be sure to watch your mail box for all the details. For you will have just as much of a chance of receiving this invitation as you would receiving a debit card, let alone being paid by them.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd March 2011 @ 9:13 am
Eagleone…Sarcasm is “a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter jibe or taunt.â€[1] Though irony is usually the immediate context,[2] most authorities sharply distinguish sarcasm from irony;[3] however, others argue that sarcasm may or often does involve irony[4] or employs ambivalence.[5] Sarcasm has been suggested as a possible bullying action in some circumstances.[6]
Comment by Sulman C. — 2nd March 2011 @ 6:14 pm
Sulman C:
Now that you have had experience in looking up the definition of words, now try it at proving GPP is real and not a scam. Still waiting for your “fact(s)” that it is.
You seem to want to talk about everything but proving GPP is real. Since the subject is GPP, your turn to provide just “one” fact that GPP is real.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd March 2011 @ 6:20 pm
Ya sulman, stick to the subject.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd March 2011 @ 10:03 pm
Duck…go quack somewhere!
Comment by Sulman C. — 2nd March 2011 @ 10:05 pm
Eagleone..I never profess to know everything about GPP. But…you always ask me to show proof it is real. I ask you to show PROOF that it is not real. There are many things in world that you don’t know about Eagleone and this is one of them. You think you do, and in that, your ego causes you to stumble because you are so sure you are right, that you trip over your own words.
Comment by Sulman C. — 2nd March 2011 @ 10:08 pm
Sulman C:
Well, at least you have half-heartedly admitted that you have no proof GPP is real and legitimate. Kind of odd don’t you think that not one “fact” or any “proof” exists that can be shown it is legal. I can check out every company and find all kinds of “facts” and “proof” a company is legal, but not GPP. That alone should tell you this is a scam.
As for my not knowing everything about GPP, and therefore I am wrong, is just wishful thinking on your part. The mere “fact” it has missed 7 deadlines speaks volumes about the illegality of GPP. Also the “fact” that no updates have been provided from the new admin for almost a year now should also be a glaring “fact” this is not real and a scam.
I hate to be the one to burst your bubble, but I do not have to prove anything about GPP. GPP is the one required to “prove” they are real. They can’t even do that. But I love how everytime one of these scams is exposed, it is us that expose it are the only ones who have to “prove” what they say is “factual.” Here’s a hint: I wouldn’t be saying it if I did not have the “facts” to back it up, which I have done.
As previously stated, in the over 3471 posts, plenty of “facts” have been presented proving GPP is a scam. The “fact” you don’t want to believe them does not make GPP real. The mere “fact” you would not ask your banker or insurance agent about this proves you know it is a scam. Otherwise you would have done so and rushed back here to prove me wrong. The mere “fact” you haven’t tells me deep down you know this is a scam. For you would like nothing better than to prove me wrong, yet you can’t.
Elvis has left the building. This is dead. It has been dead for over a year and a half now. The people who stole everyone’s money have slinked off into the sunset, and are enjoying themselves on yours and everyone else’s money. I figure they took between $4-$7 Million, possibly more. Kind of depends on how many of the extra so-called policies they really did sell. We know they reached 100,000 members back in Sept 07, and that was long before the additional policies were made available. Until GPP took down the counter, they were way past 380,000 members in the program. I would not be surprised if it exceeded 500,000 members, and the total number of the so-called policies sold. You really didn’t believe they were limiting it to just 350,000 did you?
But here’s the really good news. You can still buy more policies. And that “fact” alone should tell you this is a scam.
Comment by EagleOne — 2nd March 2011 @ 11:27 pm
Eagleone..if Elvis has left the building…then give it a rest. If it is a scam…I out $55…if it eventually isn’t…then we will see.
With each passing day…you are more possessed by trying to prove it is not real. I sense fixation on your part for sticking with this particular group this long. How about moving on to PWW4U, PWW, UAE and all the others. What does you crystal ball say on all those? Have you investigated all of them? Do you know what countries they are based in? If you know all of this, then why have you not contacted authorities in said countries and turned them in? Your website says you are involved in insurance industry…if you are, then you must know investigators that would investigate, then try and execute all those GPP officials who have duped us poor unsuspecting “investors” out of our money. As Bernie Madoff has nothing on GPP, then it sounds like big jail time in US prison for these perpetrators of conartistry. Why don’t you “bust” them and get your name in lights? Tell me Eagle…why?
Comment by Sulman C. — 3rd March 2011 @ 12:58 am
Eagleone…here is new one for you…http://www.selfind.com/7qQzh
Investigate and let me know what they are up to. Conartist I am sure, you will say, but investigate just the same.
I await your findings.
Comment by Sulman C. — 3rd March 2011 @ 1:02 am
Eagleone..I have one more question for you…If GPP is still selling policies and you are convinced they are not for real…then why can’t the “authorities” who, by the way, I am sure have our best interests at heart, investigate Liberty Reserve and follow the paper trail back to the perpetrators?? The US can extradite, stop, lock down, seize or do anything else they want to with the world monetary system, when they want…why don’t they stop the money transactions within the GPP-Liberty Reserve connection now…or why did not stop a long time ago? Also, why do you believe their counters and membership registrations, but you don’t believe they are real? You are in quandry, I am sure. Think about it and let me know.
Comment by Sulman C. — 3rd March 2011 @ 1:14 am
Sulman C:
Comparing apples to oranges again. Nothing of what you said has anything to do with GPP except why haven’t the authorities stopped them. You will have to ask the authorities. You misunderstand what we do. We cannot subpoena anyone, nor can we arrest anyone. All we do is provide information to the authorities on the programs we research. As for GPP, we had bigger scams to research than GPP. You are also making assumptions that the authorities are not investigating GPP. I would not be so sure of that. It takes time for an investigation to be done. As for the payment processors, again we are not law enforcement, so we have no clue why they don’t shut them all down. Sure would stop all the scamming wouldn’t it. Who knows, the authorities just might be looking into all the payment processors.
As for any other programs you mentioned, we never reveal who we are researching, nor do we let others tell us who to research. That is between us and our law enforcement contacts. They advise us which programs they want our assistance with, not someone on a public forum. But by your mere mentioning these other programs it is nothing more than a diversion from the fact you cannot provide any proof GPP is real.
I guess you think if you can make this about me, then somehow that will make GPP real. Get real. I post here because I choose to do so. We do not have to be researching a company for me to post warning people.
You also have to remember that law enforcement is “reactive” not “proactive.” They have to have victims before they will launch an investigation, or at least have complaints. I doubt very seriously if there have been that many complaints filed with the authorities. Mainly because of people like you who keep making people believe they will get paid. I don’t know who is worse, the people who ran this scam, or the people who try to keep people believing it will magically pay out one day.
Many lost hundreds if not thousands of dollars believing this lie. Guess you forgot about all the posts here from people who were destitute thinking this would pay out and save them from financial ruin. Those who put their money in GPP instead of paying their bills, and now face eviction (or were evicted) from their homes, and have had their utilities cut-off. Funny how no-one wants to talk about them or their plight. That is the true legacy of GPP, not this over-hyped scam.
When you try to compare Bernie Madoff’s Billions to this lowly scam of several millions means you are scratching the bottom of the barrel trying to find something to divert attention from this scam not being real.
The reason why I post is to educate people to stop and think before just believing some billionaire is going to be this great humanitarian, and make them $55,000 richer just by using their name. If they were truly Billionaires, they don’t need your name. They would just buy all the policies themselves.
Your last two posts were just a lame attempt at obfuscation. GPP is a scam. It has always been a scam, and it will always be a scam. Sorry, but you lost your $55.
As for why I believe their numbers but not that GPP is real? You have got to be kidding. I have no doubt that the number of people who became members was real, but that does not mean that GPP itself is real. How many people join a program has nothing to do with the program being legal. Surely you know that, but if you don’t I do feel sorry for you. Again nothing but smoke and mirrors because you cannot provide just one fact that GPP is real. This is rule #5 in the scammers rule book. When you can’t dispute the facts, try to discredit the messenger to minimize their impact on exposing the scam.
So let me make this simple for you. Unless you address GPP, and GPP only, I am not going to respond to you anymore. This is not about what other scams that are out there are doing but about GPP. This is not about me, or whom we are researching or not but about GPP. So if you can’t disucss GPP, and only GPP, there’s nothing further to discuss.
Comment by EagleOne — 3rd March 2011 @ 6:57 am
What is wrong Eagle…you don’t get last word in so you get mad?? GPP was a gamble…so is life…get over it.
Comment by Sulman C. — 3rd March 2011 @ 10:01 am
Im quackin here! Here a quack, there a quack, Everywhere a quack quack!
Whats the matter Sulman? Dont like me? That hurts my feelings, Im very sensative ya know. You dont wanna quack with me?? lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 3rd March 2011 @ 10:58 pm
Duck…have no idea who you are, but keep on quackin’…you are doing fine job!
Comment by Sulman C. — 3rd March 2011 @ 11:07 pm
Eagleone…I know you not going to debate anymore as you are debate KING and no one overthrows KING, but just look up endowment policy, hedge funds, investment companies.
They all work in this.
Comment by Sulman C. — 4th March 2011 @ 1:59 am
Sulman C:
Just a little while ago you said that GPP was a “gamble.” Now you are switching to try to make it legal again. You really must make up your mind.
Funny thing about your calling it a “gamble.” I went through all the marketing material, and all the promotional material provided by Stella and the trust; as well as all the people who were promoting GPP posting in all the forums; and not once did I see where anyone said it was a “gamble.” The words this is a “gamble,” “game,” “risk,” “chance,” “lottery,” speculation,” or any other word indicating GPP was not a sure deal was never uttered. Quite the opposite.
But this is rule #22 in the scammers playbook. That rule says, when you cannot defend the scam anymore, always claim it was just a “gamble” or a “game.” Rule #23 says, when all else fails, tell people “they should have never invested more than they could afford to lose.” Rule #24 says, “Never admit it was a scam.”
Now in regard to your latest attempt to try to legitimize GPP claiming it is now connected to hedge funds, endowment policies and investment companies, then Stella lied; as well as the trust partners. Now are you saying that Stella and the trust partners lied?
Comment by EagleOne — 4th March 2011 @ 5:56 am
Eagle..Life is gamble…you know that. You don’t know if you will see tomorrow or not…same with this. Do you think your job(if you have one) is solidified in stone from now to whenever you get old to retire??? Do you think that???
I just saying that there may be more to the way GPP make money than you think. Do you think that all of WallStreet tells you everything the way they make money? SEC can prove that anytime. They just won’t. You decide how you like. I know that I took gamble(my word)same as I took gamble to buy lottery ticket yesterday. That is this…gamble. There just may be more than way to make this money. Just my opinion.
Comment by Sulman C. — 4th March 2011 @ 9:53 am
Sulman C:
Now you are comparing applies to oranges again. Of course there are several wsys any program could use, the problem is GPP didn’t. They very clearly stated what kind of insurance policy they were using. They said they had an insurance company and a lending institution (which were owned by the same entity)) to do this deal. Stella and the trust said this was a “simple pension policy.” Now either Stella and the trust lied about this or they were telling the truth. Actually the entire progam was a lie. People were just made to believe it was all true.
So there are no other types of ‘investment programs’ being used. You can play “what if’s” all day, all week, all month, and all year, but it does not change the fact this is a scam.
By the way, life is not a gamble.. it is a risk.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th March 2011 @ 6:55 pm
Eagleone…or is it Eagletwo…I see Eagletwo in LOTS of forums gathering information! Is that you Eagleone? Anyway…we can compare all day and you say that “what ifs” don’t fall into category. I wonder how do you think that anything in life was ever tried unless original person asked, “What if?” but forget it. You have opinion(no fact, just opinion) and I have opinion! I think that even though GPP may or may not have been real, this type of monetary transaction, when set up the correct way, can and does exist. If Big Brother lets the small people get piece of payout is another story. But with whistleblowers in all forums gathering info, it is no wonder there is trouble. Have a good day.
Comment by Sulman C. — 6th March 2011 @ 4:59 pm
Sulman C:
You keep bringing your opinions, and I will keep posting facts. So sit back and get ready for this entire post that I am going to make is based on facts, not opinions. To make this easy to read, I will do it in several parts as to do it one post would be way to long and lose a lot of people in trying to read it. So here is Part 1:
Here is what was presented by “Stella†when this was first announced and I quote:
“This program is a true gold mine waiting to be discovered! And for all you Internet Marketers out there…you can easily earn yourself MUCH more than the $55,000. Pension just in Loyal Reward bonus dollars!
When you promote this program to only 28 people who join, you will have earned yourself an extra income of $56,000, and that’s just on one level – remember this goes down 12 levels!
The Global Pension Plan is a very innovative, new way to earn $55,000,
plus $2,000. commission bonuses for everyone you invite.â€
Now before I go any further, let’s stop and re-read what she said. If you promote this program to just 28 people, you have earned yourself an extra income of $56,000. So why is this important? Well, in their explanation of how the payments would be made, they claimed the “trust†would borrow 60% of the $200K face amount of the policy. This means that the “trust†would have $120,000 to distribute accordingly: $55,000 to the member for use of their name for the policy; $41,000 was the average premium cost for the policy; and $24,000 for referral fees. That totals $120,000. But wait a minute. If you can earn $56,000 in additional income referring just 28 people, how are they going to be able to pay you $56,000 for your referrals? But wait it gets even better, or worse as the case may be.
Stella goes on to say, and again I quote: “So, for instance, if you personally sign up ten people, who all sign up one person, all the way through 12 levels, you would earn $240,000. Another example, if you told two friends, who told two friends who all put in their $30 EURO, and this wave of activity continued on for 12 levels, $16,392,000; you would have just been generated in referral commissions such is the incredible power of network marketing. So where does this $16,392,000 come from? Still believe this is real and possible? This is not my opinion, but facts from Stella and the Trust.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th March 2011 @ 8:42 am
Here is Part 2:
When this launched, here is what Stella and the Trust had to say about the “trust,” and again I quote:
“First of all, we have all the financial resources needed to launch and run an operation this size. Secondly, we have the experience to organize and run an operation with a memberbase of 100,000 at minimum.
We also have extensive contacts in the financial world dating back decades. And last but not least, one of the most important factors in any business with online context is the capable and reliable IT-partner, which we have had from the very beginning of the project working with us turning our vision into reality and making our goals more easily achievable.â€
The claim was the Trust had done this before, but on a smaller scale. They said they were using their “extensive contacts†in the financial world dating back “decades.†They were going to provide everyone with an anonymous debit card to receive their payout.
Let’s now jump forward to December of 2007 and the big announcement that the program would end 12/31/07 and the membership would have the entire month of January 08 to send in their documents. Then payouts would begin Feb 15-29. I am sure many of you remember the euphoria with this announcement. But a funny thing happened in January. No information was given about sending in the docs. Then it was announced in January they found out that you cannot have an anonymous debit card. Now stop and think about that just for a moment. They claimed to have all these “great financial contacts for decades†and they just found out 2 years later there were no anonymous debit cards? Do you really believe that someone who had these “extensive financial contacts†would not have been told this, or knew about this back in 05?
Then it was announced that Stella was with the Trust partners in South America working on the banking solution, then they were in the far east working on a banking solution, and then came this announcement, and I quote:
“The company, who’s going to provide the solution, is applying for the financial license shortly. They are preparing the paper-work at the moment and then they are submitted for the fast-track processing. Also building the online-part of the solution is being started shortly. I am not aware of the exact specifications yet, but my humble comment and request was to make it as user-friendly as possible.
So, their original plan to “collect paperwork” after January 31st to prepare for payouts beginning February 15th – is now on indefinite hold as they are going month to month – indefinitely:
We will go in one month steps from here, meaning that the site is open for one full calender month until the situation is reviewed again. For example, if the Banking Solution is fixed during February, I will close the site in the end of February
Because of the indefinite nature of their announcement, there is now, no rush, to hurry and sign up for new or extra contracts if you so wish:
The Trust Partner has asked me not to close the site, i.e. the sign ups and additional policy purchases until the Banking Solution is ready and is being launched. Hence you can, if you so wish, sign up and buy additional policies without hurry. You can also update the profiles if needed.â€
So we have this Trust that has all these great financial contacts, and 2 years later they are back to square one in finding a banking solution. Yeah right. (This is my opinion) But the good news was there was no rush to payout, and you could still “BUY†more policies.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th March 2011 @ 8:49 am
Sulman C:
What in the world are you talking about EagleTwo? Do you think I am the only one who would use that username? Get real. I think you are seeing too many ghosts under the bed.
Now I will give you part 2 of GPP facts.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th March 2011 @ 8:55 am
Before I present Part 2, I wanted to give anyone a chance to ask any questions to what was presented in Part 1. Just so you know there is a Part 3, but again I will wait for any questions about Part 2 before presenting Part 3.
Comment by EagleOne — 8th March 2011 @ 9:03 am
Alright Eagleone, or Two or Three…LOL…I find one thing intriguing about your deductions on GPP…you say you not member of GPP but you know A LOT about it. That means you must have had help in gather information from site. Anyway…nevermind that…the real question I have is not about GPP so much, as it is about your fixation of GPP and your quoting off of the website and calling it fact!! You are stating that you have “FACTS” about all of this and all you have is what is written on a website. I could write that stuff and obviously you would call it “Fact” and quote it all over internet. I could post the entire website on this blog if you need me to. Is that fact. Because “Stella” said it, does it make it fact. It is what they say…do you really think they would tell you what they are really doing. They may be ripping off people…I GAMBLED…key word here Eagle…GAMBLE…that is all!!! YOu don’t even have money riding on this one…why are you so fascinated with it??? Also, why so testy about me asking you if you were Eagletwo? I just asked a question…I did not accuse you of ANYTHING! You surprise me in the fact that you are here to defend the ignorant investor from the torrid, underbelly of internet investing and all you speak of is GPP! Look to the right side of this blog! A lot more subjects there to discuss other than GPP…but by all means…Go ahead and bring the class to attention and post Part Two!! Haaaa
Comment by Sulman C. — 9th March 2011 @ 12:10 am
As I understood it some years ago:
The 24000 € are for the upliners, 12 levels.
The more downliners the more 24000 € are distributed to the upliners.
Comment by saleil — 9th March 2011 @ 12:18 am
Sulman C:
Are you really this naive’ or are you just pretending to be? I presented what Stella and the “Trust” said because when it was presented everyone joining believed what they said was the truth. If I had not quoted them, then I would have been accussed of ‘distorting,’ changing the meaning to suit my purpose, or was taking them out of context.
Funny when you take a look at what was said now versus 5 years ago how much different it looks and translates. You said you wanted “facts” and I am giving you “facts.” Yet you still won’t accept them as “facts.” Too funny.
I was not accussing you of anything. You were the one who was inquiring if I was EagleTwo, and I merely replied that I was not the only one who used the word Eagle in their username. I guess I should have asked you what all other forums you were talking about. I am not the one who is wearing my feelings on my sleeve, you are.
Why bother with Part 2 or Part 3 since you have a closed mind. As for this being a “gamble,” not once did Stella, “Trust,” or any of the promoters claim that GPP was a gamble. For if they had over 500,000 people would have never joined. It was presented as a real program for the masses. Not once, zero, nil, nada, zilch, goose-egg did anyone claim it was a “gamble,” except you; and that was 5 years later. I guess I could quote all the comments Stella, “trust,” and promoters of this scam made, but again it would fall on deaf ears, yours.
For someone who kept demanding “facts,” now you sure are running away from them being presented. Bummer isn’t it. As for why I post about GPP is because I can. Not sure why it is such a big deal to you.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th March 2011 @ 6:20 am
Gosh Eagleone…Life is a gamble, risk, chance, fleeting possibility, whatever you want to call it. I took a gamble, call it what you will. I don’t care whatever other classes you want to have on it, because I have moved on from GPP. If it pays, it pays…if it doesn’t…what the heck. I am out about $60. No problem. Can I do anything about the money that has been give to them from people all over world. NO! The US Govt. could if they wanted. If they REALLY were all about shutting these programs down, they would shut down GPP’w website and shut down their accounts at Liberty Reserve. Somehow, I think there is more here than meets eye. But hey…you are boss here, not me. So by all means…go on with your lessons and book selling on how to not get caught up in this. While your at it…can you tell me how to invest on your stock market in the oil commodity trading right now…I understand that is where all the quick money is being made off of speculation. Talk about crooks!!!
Comment by Sulman C. — 10th March 2011 @ 1:58 am
Sulman C:
To answer your question: “While your at it…can you tell me how to invest on your stock market in the oil commodity trading right now…I understand that is where all the quick money is being made off of speculation?” No I can’t. The reason being I am not a licensed broker to do so. For me to give investment advice without being a licensed broker is a felony. That does not mean that I don’t know, I just can’t give any investment advice.
But what makes you believe those who do trade in this market are crooks? Since you made this a statement of fact, what is your proof they are crooks?
As for why nothing has been done about GPP has already been explained ad nauseum. Just go back and read it again, as it was fully esplained not that many pages ago.
I do not “rule” here. I thought you wanted to engage in a discussion. In a disucssion one side presents their information, and the other party responds and presents their information. This way those reading get educated about the topic being discussed. You have every right to believe what you believe, as I do also. When you make a statement as fact which is not a fact, I will point it out. Just as you have done with me. It is what makes a discussion a discussion.
While you can claim you were just gambling, that only applies to you, not how the program was presented. For if it had been presented as a true gamble, and was so claimed as such by Stella and the ‘trust,’ they would not have had so many people rush to join. You know that, I know that, and so does everyone else reading this. But for you to claim that life is a gamble just isn’t true.
I just found it interesting when you were “demanding” that I provide “facts” to support what I said, and then when I did you immediately claimed it was old news and not facts is typical of people who support these type of scams. Straight from the scammers playbook.
You tend to forget that I have been around a long, long time exposing these scams; and I have heard it all. It didn’t fly then, and it doesn’t fly now. But it has been fun discussing this with you. I just hope that people who were reading this were educated so they don’t fall for one of these scams ever again.
As for GPP Paying, never will happen. It is just wishful thinking on your part.
Comment by EagleOne — 10th March 2011 @ 2:45 am
EagleOne, I agree with much that you say, but you have your sums wrong in Part One of your analysis.
You question where the additional 56,000€ is going to come from…. well its pretty simple really, and is most definitely not where you seem to think it would come from.
Let’s take Stella’s example and assume that John Doe had recruited 28 people and earned 56,000€ in commission:-
You say – “The “trust†would borrow 60% of the $200K face amount of the policy. This means that the “trust†would have $120,000 to distribute accordingly: $55,000 to the member for use of their name for the policy; $41,000 was the average premium cost for the policy….â€
The figures should be in Euros (€) rather than $USD but that doesn’t really matter.
So that totals 96,000€ and is perfectly correct so far………
Which means that the ‘Trust’ would have made 24,000€ on each of 28 ‘policies’. A total profit of 672,000€.
On John Doe’s policy they would also have made 24,000€ but would then have paid John his 56,000€ ‘referral commission’……. a net loss of 32,000€.
Take that 32,000€ away from the 672,000€ they had already made and they have pocketed 640,000€ profit from the ‘sale’ of 29 policies.
Not that any of that really matters of course as GPP will never pay out, but for someone who professes to know pretty much everything about them and how they operate, I really would have expected you to understand the simple maths!
Comment by Goldcard — 11th March 2011 @ 11:49 pm
Goldcard:
You are correct in your example you gave. I was going to address this issue in greater detail in Part 2 of my post which I did not post. I was going to use it as an illustration of needing to do your own due diligence and not blindly accept what was said.
I was also going to address the $16 Million+ paid in commissions if someone actually built a downline twelve levels deep as explained by Stella. Where the math falls apart on this is when you have multiple people signing up 28 people. It doesn’t take that many to have liabilies higher than the cash assets to pay, and the same with the $16 Million+ example she gave when limiting the total number of members to 100,000.
In fact we believe the “average” number of referrals per person of the 100,000 was 20, and this would be considerably more in payout commission than the $2.4 Billion dollars available.
But I do appreciate your pointing this out for people.
Comment by EagleOne — 13th March 2011 @ 8:03 am
My goodness, Sulman and EO, you two sure have been going round and round!
Sulman: I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent, although I have my “blonde” moments. But frankly after speaking with a recruiter for GPP on behalf of my friend, I quickly deduced that there is no way this shit is for real! The recruiter himself was basically some low life scum, he totally rubbed me the wrong way (and he has since then left the country to continue recruiting elsewhere!), and I thought, if these people do business with this dirtbag, who else do they do business with? And honestly, the figures that you guys talk about are way to large for me to wrap my little head around, but the whole, you give me $60.00 and Ill give you $80,000.00 just didnt seem too valid. I too concluded that it wouldnt work the way they said it would. Then I went on the internet to research GPP, and found this site and several others.
My friend is still poor. She is still unable to work (health reasons), she still has to live off of disability (which by the way only pays $500.00 a month-for food, housing,clothes, etc) still has no car (no money=no car) and she still has hopes in the back of her head that this gpp thing will get her out of the desperate situation that she is in. Its sad to see her like that. And Im gonna bet there are lots of others that are in the same boat. And gpp saw them comin a mile away! I wont be singing them any praises any time soon. To take someones dreams of a better future, is just plain shitty. At least with the lottery, she isnt promised a payout! Nor are you lead to believe that if you buy multiple lottery tickets, and get your friends to go in with you, that you will get more than the lottery was originally advertised for. Just sayin…
Your right, it was your money. But thats not the point. 🙂
Ok, you two may resume! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 15th March 2011 @ 8:40 pm
Well
everything seems to GPP hints that looks like a ripoff of a high standard, now
appropriate law enforcement authorities
Why not close the GPP website?
and leave to continue raising money, is something that many members do not understand.
Comment by John — 17th March 2011 @ 6:00 am
Maybe the hope is what is keeping her from sinking. GPP is not the answer to a health issue. Without hope the heart sinks. What is sad is that the lady is sick and on disability. Her hoping that she receives money from GPP, GCC or whatever is not the sad part. Her situation alone is sad and if your friend is that poor you should help her. Heck I have friends that hope on a lot of things that more than likely will never come true, but I don’t crush peoples dreams. GPP did not make her or anybody else sign up. Just so happen I was blessed some years back because I took a gamble or whatever you want to call it. I heard it all from you are crazy and it won’t happen and guess what? It did. I signed up for GPP because I am not afraid to take chances. If I had listened to people, I would not be debt free and able to help my poor friends. I volunteer a lot and I come in contact with a lot of sad situations and so many people have hopes and dreams and some may never come true but again who am I to talk about how sad it is they hope. Again for some people, that is all they have…..Try living without lights, water, and no job. Hope is all you have. I meet people on a regular basis that don’t have anything but Hope rather it is true or false. It is easy to feel that way when you have. I haven’t always had and now that I do I can relate to people that are struggling. GPP is not real but it is to late now because the woman has paid her money, why shouldn’t she hope. What else can she do? GPP and the people behind it will get what is coming to them. Nobody is getting their money back and we can’t make them give us our money back. So far not even the authorities can get people’s money back. It’s useless to even debate about GPP.
Comment by MS.KK — 17th March 2011 @ 7:20 pm
I am sorry to say I something to little demand for the currency discourage traffic from the side of Greece and the range in compensation for demurrage demurrage Joined in areas with an economic crisis for the recession because there are disabled persons in a location with outdated ideas ……..
Comment by vasilios — 18th March 2011 @ 11:22 am
¿Que me dicen del supuesto juicio contra GPP en octubre de 2010 en el tribunal de la Haya de Holanda?
Comment by nuria — 23rd March 2011 @ 10:58 am
Ive talked about my friend many times over the years, and all that I do for her isnt important.
The point was, GPP are liars who take advantage of people and they suck!
And no, they didnt Make her sign up, but they SOLD her a Promise of a payout of $80,000.00! They told her what she wanted to hear because she is desperate, and she bought it. Like many others out there.
Anyway, we all know its a scam, but its the principal of the whole thing that is the problem! Not that some shmo suckered you out of $50.00 bucks…(if people dont already see the Big picture, then they probably never will, no point in repeating).
Well, I have no new things to say, said it all repeadetly over these 3 years.
Oh well. Back to work now! Maybe I’ll check back in 6 or 12 months from now! Not that anything will change…
Take care and play nice while Im gone! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd March 2011 @ 7:32 pm
@ Nuria: I used babel fish to translate, hope it didnt screw everything up! lol
No he oÃdo hablar de un juicio contra GPP en octubre de 2010. Oà hablar de GPP que era investigado en Finnland y otros paÃses europeos, pero no todavÃa en los E.E.U.U. ¡Espero este traductor del babelfish, hago un buen trabajo! tome el cuidado
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 23rd March 2011 @ 7:41 pm
IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK @ Shit you say and standards to Imperia and not for GPP and they just DO NOT UNDERSTAND is a scam because it functioned well as a program illegal irrelevant if they are not interested in Palace late minds.
Comment by vasilios — 24th March 2011 @ 11:13 am
Hi Vasilios: What? QUE? I dont understand what you are trying to say, I did my best with Bable fish word translator! Sorry if it screwed up any meaning. I did notice that when you try to translate, it kinda does its own thing! I am German, all my relatives live in Germany, however Im rusty with the language, so I went to Bable fish to translate for me, not that I really needed it as all my relatives speak English as per their schooling. But I wanted to try!
Anyway, Lo siento si usted no entendÃa lo que dije! Estoy utilizando los pescados de Bable para traducir. La mayorÃa de la gente en este foro utiliza inglés, asà que no estoy seguro cómo traducir ninguna información en español. Gpp e Iperia y cualquier otro programa de RPP son timos. ¿Usted no conseguirá un desembolso, no sé si eso es lo que usted sabe, o no? ¡Im apesadumbrado!
( Enter up to 150 words )
Translate again
I am sorry if you didnt understand what I said! I am using Bable fish to translate. Most people in this forum use English, so I am not sure how to translate any information in Spanish. Gpp and Iperia and any other RPP program are scams. You will not get a payout, I dont know if that is what you know, or not? Im sorry!
If anyone can translate for real, go ahead and jump in!! Anyway, I was gonna stay away for a while wasnt I?! Okay, here I go…. (since no one responded to me other than that guy/girl, Im guessing they are a one poster kind of person! hahahah a one hit wonder! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 26th March 2011 @ 10:03 pm
If it walks like a duck does not have reasons GREEK; the language of Greek and ancient purist have not been translated into languages ​​other reason that it is possible languages ​​and has more power at lower swirl meaning in secular asks tribes to what the Hebrew is 80.000 words 16 are the Filipino language in the country the local English has a purist…………..>>>>>Si camina como un pato no tiene razones GRIEGO; el lenguaje de purista griega antigua y no se han traducido a los idiomas otra razón que se trata de lenguas posible y tiene más potencia a bajas remolino de significado cósmico de las tribus que pide el hebreo oilitis es de 80.000 palabras son el filipino en 16 idiomas inicio local Inglés ha purista……..>>>>>>Αν πεÏπατάει σαν πάπια. Tα ελληνικα δεν εχουν λογο δηλαδη? Η γλωσσα των ελληνικον εχουν αÏχαια και καθαÏευουσα και δεν εχουν μεταφÏαστη σε αλλη γλωσσα λογο το οτι ειναι δυνατη γλωσσα και εχει πιο πολυ δυναμη στο να δινη νοημα σε κατωτεÏες κοσμικες φυλες στο τι ζητα ο οηλητης. Τα εβÏαικα ειναι 80,000 λεξεις τα φιλιπινεζικα εχουν 16 γλωσσες στην χωÏα τους τοπικα τα αγγλικα εχουν καθαÏευουσα.
Comment by vasilios — 27th March 2011 @ 11:01 am
Philosophy around the world differ in their speech to yield meaningful to himself words per language.
Comment by vasilios — 27th March 2011 @ 11:21 am
vasilios:
If people do not understand what it is you are saying, it makes no difference how important you think it is to have been said. Nor how philosophical it is in saying it.
Something was definitely lost in the translation to English. I do appreciate your thoughts, just pointing out it may have been lost on many who read this blog, me included.
Comment by EagleOne — 27th March 2011 @ 9:39 pm
I want to convey that to me paid by October 2010. And I expect money to come from Germany GREECE from the local bank germanias local Bank of Greece for 17 single member I am a simple member only!. and I think it is a scam.
Comment by basilio — 27th March 2011 @ 9:51 pm
Vasilios:
You may comment all you like, but you’re wasting your time.
Eagle / Ducky:
Why are you wasting your time on this nonsense, back to topic pls?
Comment by Ryan — 28th March 2011 @ 4:34 am
Ryan @ No time to waste of the internet in a net there is neither the time nor the hour kgrinouits time is zero, but neither is 180 degrees and Joined the day for change in the plan unless you are outside reputation for money and say about yourself
Comment by basilio — 29th March 2011 @ 11:31 am
The translation is not good BABEL
Comment by basilio — 29th March 2011 @ 7:44 pm
Ryan: There is nothing to talk about, as they ran with the money a long time ago. This has been dead for over a year, probably longer if the truth were known. Hopefully now everyone has figured out this is dead, their money was stolen, and there will be no magical payout. A hard pill to swallow, I’m sure from the faithful, but that is the reality.
I wouldn’t blame Ben if the locked this and moved on to the next scam de jour.
Comment by EagleOne — 6th April 2011 @ 12:17 am
Hi Everyone,
I am aware after reading this information that there has been a scam involving globalpensionplan.net in the past.
I would just like to point out that we are currently releasing globalpensionplan.co.uk and have no relation to .net whatsoever. After seeing many complaints about .net it seems that we have made a critical mistake using the .co.uk domain, so I simply want to clear up that we have nothing to do with these con artists.
Thanks for reading and I hope this clears any confusion between the two domains.
[Addition by Ben: If you aren’t too far into setting this up I would strongly recommend changing the name. This is a really unfortunate choice of name!]
Comment by Global Pension Plan — 6th April 2011 @ 9:44 pm
Global Pension Plan:
Just a couple of questions for you. If you have an UK address in your website title, why are you located in Spain? Why do you use the word “Scheme” to describe your plan? Scheme implies “scam.”
As Ben has said, not a good name choice, and just my two cents worth but using the word scheme is also a negative to many people.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th April 2011 @ 7:29 am
Looks like this new “Global Pension Plan” is just another scam in the making. A lot of negative press on this one, and it hasn’t even gotten off the ground yet. Use CAUTION and check it out THOROUGHLY before even condiering joining.
Comment by EagleOne — 11th April 2011 @ 9:10 pm
Oh Ryan silly, I dont waste my time, neither does Eagle One. And I didnt think I went off topic?! GPP = scam, you aint getting paid….bottom line….If I was addressing others I may have strayed from the boring ol’ topic at hand, but go ahead and scroll back for YEARS, then maybe you;ll see that Im always on topic. So is Eagle One. Shit, obviously there is only one topic here!Cant stray too far from reality…lol!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 17th April 2011 @ 11:44 pm
From glancing at several of the other forums, it seems there are still people who do not understand the people behind GPP have run with their money; as well as this being a scam. Since there were so many people in this who are not computer and investment savvy, I am not surprised there are people who still haven’t figured it out yet they were scammed.
What is truly a shame is how many people were really depending on this to pay out as they were financially strapped, and thought this was their way to financial freedom.
Since all the cheerleaders have now slipped into the sunset, and have stayed pretty well below the radar of late is just another tell-tale sign this was and is a scam. Happens every time.
Time to lock the doors as the horse is long gone and is not returning. Hopefully many have learned a lesson, although for some a very painful one.
Thanks Ben for making this Blog available all these years. I wish all of you the very best.
Comment by EagleOne — 4th May 2011 @ 1:55 am
Wayne Mclean talkshoe.
Weekly talkshoe by Wayne claimed everything is OK. He event claimed that “packages” is received by thousand globally and members are able to access to their funds.
Comment by Banny — 6th May 2011 @ 10:19 am
Quiero saber si alguien sabe sobre la sentencia que tubo lugar en Holanda sobre la denuncia de estafa a GPP
Comment by nuria — 6th May 2011 @ 10:40 am
Banny:
I know what Wayne said, but the question is do you believe him and do the others?
Comment by EagleOne — 6th May 2011 @ 10:08 pm
Banny:
I know what Wayne said, but the question is do you and the others believe him?
Comment by EagleOne — 6th May 2011 @ 10:10 pm
Banny
That information is false, no member has received the package GPP.
Wayne is a liar.
Comment by John — 7th May 2011 @ 1:48 am
Banny:
This guy Wayne is an accomplice of GPP, this bastard has been lying for years.
GPP Forum says nothing, no news and no update.
Wayne is a son of a bitch, who likes to lie.
Wayne mocks GPP members, Wayne laughs at the thousands of members of GPP.
Comment by John — 7th May 2011 @ 2:02 am
Wayne Mclean talkshoe.
Weekly talkshoe by Wayne claimed everything is OK. He event claimed that “packages†is received by thousand globally and members are able to access to their funds.
ja ja ja ja ja
LET YOURSELF and then jokes,
pee me laugh so much.
Where did they get that information?, totally false.
GPP is fraud, not going to pay.
Comment by Frank — 7th May 2011 @ 2:11 am
Hola amigos. No entiendo este hombre debe saber algo a ratos como serio y en otros nos desanima. Qué esto por dios. Wayne, di algo serio si te consideras una persona respetuosa y digna de este foro.
PIQUI
Hello friends. I do not understand this man must know something as serious and at times we are disappointed in others. What this god. Wayne, say something serious if you consider yourself a person with respect and dignity of this forum.
Piqui
Comment by PIQUI — 7th May 2011 @ 4:29 am
Piqui
is that Wayne is not a serious person.
Is a con artist who has been telling lies for years to members of GPP.
Hopefully this criminal Wayne caught by the police, by promoting GPP, which we know is scam.
Comment by Hart — 9th May 2011 @ 12:16 am
No I dont believe Wayne mclean know anything. He just another scamer who see the opportunity and trying to make some money from the desprate peoples. This low life scum has been investigated by the FBI 2 years ago for another scam. And now he is doing it agian.
If you want to know his record you may check with the authority
Comment by lkl — 9th May 2011 @ 4:20 pm
lkl
But
GPP is scamming members
raising money through Liberty Reserve, with the false sale of policies.
Neither the FBI nor the police,
can close the GPP website.
Comment by Culon — 12th May 2011 @ 6:56 pm
WRONG!
The authority is watching theirs LR account movement. The window site is nothing but a piece of mirror and not able to trace who’s behind the scam. Once GPP move the fund the authority will move in. We believe the SEC and authorities concern is working on undercover and has been keeping silence. According to the authority most of the funds deposited at GPP LR account still remain untouched since last July 2010. GPP knew the authority already on their tail. Now is the waiting game between GPP and the Authority – who make the first move.If Osama can be found, same to GPP
Comment by SCA — 14th May 2011 @ 4:27 pm
If the authorities know that GPP is a scam
Why not close the GPP website.
And the SEC takes too long to investigate GPP and does not report anything.
Comment by Garu — 17th May 2011 @ 1:26 am
Espero que la información que circula en algunos foros en Internet, sea de esperanza. Hay personas que concluyen que la situación financiera a nivel mundial, incidió en el incumplimiento de GPP. Aún asÃ; Lo único que dicen es que la palabra clave es PACIENCIA.L Esperar inteligentemente.
Sólo es un comentario a nivel personal de acuerdo a lo leÃdo en algunos foros en INTERNET.
PIQUI.
I hope the information that circulates in some Internet forums, is hope. Some people conclude that the global financial situation, triggered the failure of GPP. Even so, I just say that the keyword is patience.Theyvary Wait wisely.
It is only a comment on a personal level according to read on some forums on the Internet.
PIQUE
Comment by PIQUI — 21st May 2011 @ 7:57 pm
I do not understand why so many peoples still believing RPP programs?
None of these programs are real. And yet peoples still sending money whenever they asked to pay for something?
Comment by KL — 23rd May 2011 @ 3:03 pm
BEWARE GCPP – ANOTHER BIG SCAM.
CHECK this out. From a private forum “The Family Wealth Forum”.
Amazing! Wayne Mclean still promoting it and encourage peoples to send him money to purchase DC.
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by global1224 Yesterday at 11:34 pm
I also have a friend who is in my downline in other programs, but not in GCPP. She got the mail and wrote them and asked for her username and number of contracts in the project. They answered with a username that she has used in other programs and told her that she has 3 contracts in the project. Very strange situation, as it is for sure that she has never signed up for the program.
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Globalconnect Information
by Cache1 Yesterday at 11:59 pm
I just did a reverse phone directory search and the following shows up for the phone number listed on the whois site:
904-406-9xxx (blanked to prevent calling)
Jeremy D Wilkinson
1299 Highfield Ln
Middleburg, FL 32068-8408
Hi
I called the family before Christmas. Talked to his wife she said GCPP used there name without there knowledge. She requested NO calling please. The local police have been notified about this matter.There where a lot of bad swearing calls coming in. They where to send a email with more details on this matter. The really strange part is renewal of the web site. She had a invoice from the domain company. Jeremy?? renewed from some island out in the ocean.
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Comment by KL — 25th May 2011 @ 7:31 pm
SEC Employee Misled Fellow Ponzi Investors: Report
Published: Tuesday, 31 May 2011 5:59 PM ET Text Size
By: Scott Cohn. Senior Correspondent, CNBC
A Securities and Exchange Commission employee at the agency’s Washington headquarters may have compromised the investigation of a multi-million dollar Ponzi scheme last year by claiming to investors —of which he was one — that the company was legitimate. This, according to a report by the agency’s Inspector General, H. David Kotz, who has recommended the employee face disciplinary action including possible dismissal
The investigation was disclosed in Kotz’s semi-annual report to Congress, issued today.
While the report does not name the employee or the company involved, the dates coincide with the SEC’s investigation of Imperia Invest IBC, charged last year with running a $7 million scam targeting deaf investors.
Kotz’s report says the employee repeatedly told investors that the company was legitimate “and that these investors would be receiving considerable sums of money for their investments.”
The SEC won a temporary asset freeze against Imperia in October, 2010, and won a default judgment on February 14 on charges the company defrauded some 14,000 investors in a scam involving the sale of life insurance settlements.
Kotz found that around the time the SEC filed its case, the employee — who was also an investor — began sharing “nonpublic, false and misleading information” with his fellow investors.
“As a result,” Kotz wrote, “his conduct not only confused certain investors and gave them a false sense of hope, but it also had the potential to adversely affect an ongoing enforcement investigation.”
The report also recommends that fellow employees in the office, which is not identified, receive training on the proper handling of nonpublic information.
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SEC employee misled fellow investors: watchdog
By Sarah N. Lynch
WASHINGTON | Tue May 31, 2011 7:45pm EDT
(Reuters) – A Securities and Exchange Commission employee invested in a company accused of preying on deaf people and misled fellow investors into thinking their money was safe despite an SEC probe.
SEC Inspector General David Kotz recommended disciplinary action, including possible dismissal of the employee, according to a roundup of his recent and pending investigations sent to Congress on Tuesday.
SEC spokesman John Nester said the disclosure about the employee was “inadvertent.” Asked whether the employee had been disciplined, Nester said “appropriate action was taken.”
Kotz’s semiannual report is just the latest embarrassment for the SEC to come from the internal watchdog. Last week he reported the SEC could owe millions of dollars after bungling a deal to lease 900,000 square feet of office space.
In the case of the investing staffer, Kotz’s office received a tip in February from a regional senior official who said a Washington, D.C.-based employee invested in an investment company that was the subject of an active investigation.
The tipster accused the employee of “providing false, misleading and nonpublic information” to other investors, telling them the company was legitimate and that they would “be receiving considerable sums of money from their investments.”
On October 6, 2010, the SEC filed emergency action in federal court against the company to get an asset freeze, and won a default judgment on February 14, 2011
Kotz’s report did not mention the names of the employee or the company, but court records from these dates point to Imperia Invest IBC, an Internet-based investment company that allegedly targeted deaf investors and others by raising more $7 million from them without delivering a single payment.
A federal judge in Utah later ordered the firm to pay $15.2 million in disgorgement and prejudgment interest, although it is not expected to ever be collected after investors’ funds were transferred electronically to overseas accounts.
Court records did not list the name or contact information of any attorney for the company, which was never registered to offer securities in the United States.
Kotz said the SEC employee later admitted to communicating with investors and was placed on administrative leave after he was confronted by the regional senior official.
In addition to recommending that the employee be disciplined and possibly fired. He also recommended that all the staff in the employee’s office be better trained to understand what constitutes nonpublic information.
His findings were issued in a March 31 report, but were first made public in the congressional report.
“The employee shared nonpublic, false and misleading information with investors,” Kotz wrote. “His conduct not only confused certain investors and gave them a false sense of hope, but it also had the potential to adversely affect an ongoing enforcement investigation.”
Among other cases listed by Kotz on Tuesday was a probe into a regional SEC staff attorney who disclosed the name of a confidential FBI informant to an investor and a witness.
(Reporting by Sarah N. Lynch; Editing by Robert MacMillan and Tim Dobbyn, Gary Hill)
Comment by KL — 1st June 2011 @ 4:39 pm
SEC Employee Wrongfully Calmed Fellow Investors: OIG
By Rachel Slajda
Law360, New York (June 1, 2011)
A U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission employee who had invested in an alleged Ponzi scheme broke agency rules when he tried to reassure fellow investors that it was legitimate, despite an SEC investigation, the agency’s Office of the Inspector General said Wednesday.
The employee was an investor in a company the SEC sued in October, accusing it of orchestrating a Ponzi scheme and asking a court to freeze its assets, according to the OIG’s report. But the employee allegedly told fellow investors that the company was sound and that they could still expect big returns.
The investors he spoke to knew he worked for the SEC and believed that he had inside information that the company was legitimate, the report says. A senior official caught on to what the employee was doing in February and confronted him, and the employee was placed on administrative leave, according to the report.
The employee, who goes unnamed in the report, admitted to talking with several investors during the SEC investigation, the OIG said.
“In so doing, the employee shared nonpublic, false and misleading information with investors,†the inspector general, H. David Kotz, said in the report. “His conduct not only confused certain investors and gave them a false sense of hope, but it also had the potential to adversely affect an ongoing enforcement investigation.â€
Kotz referred the employee for disciplinary action this week — “up to and including dismissal from federal service†— but no action has yet been taken. He also recommended that the employee’s office receive training in how to handle nonpublic information.
The company is not named in the report, but the SEC notes that it filed its original complaint Oct. 6, 2010, and received a default judgment Feb. 14, 2011. Based on those dates and the details of the case, it appears that the company in question is Imperia Invest IBC.
Kotz, reached by phone Wednesday, told Law360 he couldn’t confirm whether the company mentioned in the report is Imperia.
Imperia, according to the SEC complaint, promised investors enormous returns on extremely small investments. Account statements online showed investors balances of, in two examples, $36.6 million on a $150 investment and $43.9 million on a $500 investment.
But no one ever received a dime.
Imperia raised more than $7 million from 14,000 investors around the world. Many of those investors were deaf, according to the SEC, and the company took in some $4 million from about 6,000 deaf investors in the U.S. The money was all transferred to offshore accounts, the SEC said.
Imperia never responded to the SEC’s complaint. Judge Dee Benson in February ordered the company to disgorge more than $15 million in illegal profits, but it’s not likely the money can be recovered.
Comment by KL — 2nd June 2011 @ 3:43 pm
PEOPLE DO NOT FALL FOR THIS. THIS IS JUST PEOPLE WANTING TO STEAL MORE OF YOUR MONEY CLAIMING TO BE FROM GPP TRUST:
Dear Global Pension Plan (GPP) Members,
We apologize for the delay. Processing all the paperwork took the banks much longer than we expected. Straight to the point, we MUST now remind you once again that the AUTHORITIES ARE WATCHING. We’re sure that you are well aware of another major program that has been SHUT DOWN by the authorities. They are NOT coming back online and their payout funds have been FROZEN by court order. Therefore it is crucial for all of us that we do this correctly. Either we successfully pay out, or we get SHUT DOWN by the authorities too. We only have one chance to do it right. This is it, this is the final one.
We have also successfully had the old website frozen. There won’t be any more update posted on the old website. The last update posted by the hackers dated July 2010.
Now for the good news. ALL the debit cards are READY. Processing by the banks simply took longer than we expected. We, the Trustee, have done our obligation and are now officially out of the loop. The banks have taken over and your debit cards will be mailed from different banks depending on the continent you live in.
For members who live in :
– EUROPE (this includes Russia, Western and Eastern Europe and the United Kingdom), your debit cards will be mailed from the group of banks in Liechtenstein and Switzerland.
– AMERICA (this includes Canada, USA and South America), your debit cards will be mailed from the group of banks in Cayman Islands.
– ASIA (this includes Africa, all Asia, Australia and New Zealand), your debit card will be mailed from the group of banks in Dubai, Hong Kong, Singapore and some others.
This is what will happen :
Once you receive your package, you will have your debit card(s), some papers and documentation from the bank about your account, and Non-Disclosure forms in an envelope. Note that it is quite a thick package because of all the papers. You are to sign the forms, put them back in the envelope and mail it to the address printed on the envelope.
Once all debit cards are received by members, the website GPP TRUSTEE – Home will go live for SIX MONTHS and six months only (it is still currently under construction). Once you receive your package, you are to take out the debit card(s) and go to the website. There you will find a form for you to fill in the 16 digit number of your debit card. Entered correctly, the form will generate a 6-digit PIN NUMBER for your debit card. You have to WRITE DOWN the 6-digit PIN NUMBER. This PIN NUMBER is important for you to use your debit card at the ATM for the FIRST TIME.
The website GPP TRUSTEE – Home will be live for SIX MONTHS only. This is CRUCIAL to avoid any interference from the authorities. It will go live when the packages are getting received. You have six months to retrieve your PIN NUMBER. It is more than enough time. However, those who do not do it in time will be contacted manually by email after the website closes but we cannot put any date on that.
Now, the banks will pay half of the shipping costs and they have demanded that members pay the remaining half. There is nothing we can do about this. This is the only way this can be done. Shipping cost is PER MEMBER, not per cards. If you have multiple debit cards, all the cards will be put in one package and you only need to pay for ONE package’s shipping cost. Shipping cost is PER MEMBER, not per address. Family members living in the same residence will be receiving their own separate package, cannot be packaged into one.
There are two shipping methods, international courier or registered mail. The differences are :
International Courier :
– Delivery time maximum 2 weeks, worldwide.
– You can track the shipping progress of your package from their website. The tracking number will be emailed to you by the shipping bank(s).
– Receiver’s signatory is needed when package arrives. For minors, an adult needs to sign for them. If you’re not home when it’s delivered, they will leave a note with their phone number.
– Cannot mail to P.O.Box address.
– Your cost is $40.
Registered Mail :
– Delivery time vary from 6 to 8 weeks (depending on where you live).
– You cannot track the shipping progress of your package.
– Receiver’s signatory is not needed. Package will be put into your mailbox if you’re not home.
– Can mail to P.O.Box address.
– Your cost is $20.
Members who do not pay the shipping fee will not be receiving their debit card. Sorry but everything must be done in one go and we only have one chance to do this without alerting various authorities.
Only GPP members with cards will be paid out. Payout funds for members without cards will be distributed evenly among members with cards. We simply do not have a way to pay out the members without a card. This is GOOD news for members with cards.
IMPORTANT :
You only have 60 DAYS after receiving this update to make the payment for the shipping. If you don’t send in the payment, you will not be receiving your card. The website GPP TRUSTEE – Home will go live for SIX MONTHS only. It will go live after cards are getting received by members. You must get the PIN NUMBER for your debit card before the the website closes.
To make the payment of $40 for Courier or $20 for Registered Mail, you can use either our new account or one of our old account numbers :
U7842661 (GPP SHIPPING)
U9948672 (Global Debit Silver)
U5871417 (Global Debit Gold)
IMPORTANT :
In the MEMO section, write down your GPP USERNAME and your COMPLETE MAILING ADDRESS (Country included). Address must be your most recent one. Please make sure it is your correct address.
With this last phase, our task as the Trustee is officially completed. Once you receive your debit cards, you will be dealing with the banks directly. And once we receive the signed forms, you are no longer related in any shape or forms with the Global Pension Plan program, its administrator or its financiers.
The Global Pension Plan (GPP) TRUSTEE
Comment by EagleOne — 7th June 2011 @ 10:06 pm
EagleOne
and where they got this information
This is more like a scam
Ask for more money, do not know if it’s GPP or others,
bastards who want to waste more money.
to send to these accounts
U7842661 (GPP SHIPPING)
U9948672 (Global Debit Silver)
U5871417 (Global Debit Gold)
Comment by Xavi — 7th June 2011 @ 11:05 pm
Xavi:
It was well known that the database had been compromised several times, so I am sure they had the database to send E-mails to the members.
What people need to know is a bank will never charge you for any mailings made to you, even for half of it. Your bank service fees cover these charges. This is just one of several outright lies in this missive. But when you had hundreds of thoudsands of people buying multiple policies, even after being warned not too, you can guess how many will fall for this and send them money they can ill afford to lose. All on the hope this time it is real and they will get paid. Sadly this is reality.
I just hope this time around they have learned and won’t fall for it. All I can do is warn people. Thank God some are listening and will not become a victim once again to these scammers.
Comment by EagleOne — 9th June 2011 @ 7:04 pm
Does anyone know how to contact the GPP Trustee’s?
I have already purchased a debit card through my upline, because I don’t have a Liberty Reserve account and he did, and I was able to transfer money to him via my Alert Pay account, but he now believes they are a scam and refuses to help me send the Trustee’s money for postage. Does anyone know if the Trustee’s will accept another way of funding or how I can contact them to ask? The email address on their lastest update has a no-return address on it. Thanks for any help. Everyone sent GPP money for postage over a year ago and even though Wayne say’s some people have been paid that did that, there seems to be no proof of that, so since the Trustee’s are promising to payout within two weeks after the end of July, at least there is a deadline to look forward to instead of waiting forever and ever from GPP.
BigRoy
Comment by BR — 12th June 2011 @ 11:07 am
I am having problems getting the package (debit card) and anything to do with GPP. Could you please help me.Been waiting before xmas, and nothing. Help me in finding someone to write to, to get the ball rolling for me. I’m disabled and I really can use my money.
thank you
barry scales
Comment by Barry Scales — 14th June 2011 @ 6:55 pm
BR: Im sorry but, there have been many “final” deadlines. No actual contact information, but twenty different ways to give them more money! You can phone it in, mail it in, transfer it in, charge it in, bring it in, “will” it in….lol Trouble is, you go out of your way to get the money to them, yet they do not go out of their way to get your money to you. Your upline is right, do not send in another dime, to anyone!!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 14th June 2011 @ 10:03 pm
No entiendo, hablan de comprar tarjetas, pero de donde viene esa información. A mi correo no ha llegado mensaje alguno. El dinero que enviamos hace seis meses para paquetes y no hemos ricibido. jajajajaja.
Más seriedad señores.
PIQUI
Comment by PIQUI — 16th June 2011 @ 5:16 am
PIQUI: SÃ, GPP tiene un gran sentido del humor. ¡Le dan 50 maneras de enviarles el dinero, pero nunca le envÃan el dinero! No, nadie consiguieron las tarjetas, yo no piensan que mienta haya cualquier tarjeta, nadie consiguiera cualquier dinero, sus todo. ¡Dicen que vamos a pagar, pero hay apenas una más cosa que necesitamos de usted… como un infront del carot de un burro, usted nunca lo conseguirá! Vergüenza en GPP. ¡No envÃe en más dinero!! Es su vuelta para enviarnos el dinero. MaÃŒÂn GPP.
Did I say that right?! lol
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 17th June 2011 @ 4:23 pm
One of the major promoters of GPP, Warren English, as well as HCI25 and a list too long to mention here; as well as running his own scams MPP & HSH, was shut-down by AMF. Here is the Press Release about this event:
AMF THWARTS MARKETING SCAM
Montréal, June 15, 2011 – At the request of the Autorité des marchés financiers (the “AMFâ€), the Bureau de décision et de révision (the “Bureauâ€) issued freeze and cease trade orders on June 10, 2011 as part of efforts to thwart a marketing scam set up by Warren English, a Laval resident, and Alain-André Desarzens and his spouse, Michèle Amiot, both of whom reside in Rimouski. Based on extensive and meticulous evidence presented by the AMF, the Bureau concluded that Messrs. English and Desarzens had issued a mass e-mailing to thousands of potential investors with promises of pocketing a lot of money fast.
Through Mr. English’s e-mail address (megaib@safe-mail.net) and Mr. Desarzens’ personal e-mail address (alainandre@cgocable.ca) and his website (www.myleads.8k.com), the two men promoted numerous investments, including products under the names “Mega Pension Plan†and “Cherryshares.†They offered thousands of investors around the world, including two Quebeckers, the opportunity to generate possible returns ranging from U.S.$1,000 to $90,000 on a minimum investment of between U.S.$10 and $300.
The AMF investigation showed that Warren English, who has been under an Ontario Securities Commission cease trade order since 2003, used some of the funds from the illegal distribution of securities related to Mega Pension Plan to purchase a luxury condominium in Laval. Based on the data gathered by the AMF, Mr. English moved nearly $525,000 between his accounts and those of his company, Méga International Business.
Mr. Desarzens, who is under a cease trade order issued by the Pennsylvania Securities Commission in 1999, used the same modus operandi to amass U.S.$875,000. Some of these funds were transferred into his own account as well as into accounts opened by Michèle Amiot and Institut des médecines universelles, a company of which he is the CEO and sole director.
As a conservatory measure, the Bureau issued the orders requested by the AMF to prohibit Warren English, Alain-André Desarzens, Michèle Amiot, as well as Méga International Business and Institut des médecines universelles, their officers, representatives and directors from carrying out any activity in respect of a transaction in securities and from pursuing activities as a securities adviser.
The Bureau also froze the funds, securities and other assets held by and on behalf of Warren English, Alain-André Desarzens, Michèle Amiot, Méga International Business and Institut des médecines universelles, and ordered Mr. Desarzens’ website (www.myleads.8k.com) to be shut down.
Investors who believe that they have been targeted by this or any other similar scam should contact the AMF Information Centre.
This is important for this reason. If you were enticed into joining GPP by Warren English, you need to contact the AMF immediately; or for that matter any other of the programs Warren was promoting. I believe that Warren “knows” who was behind GPP. The more people reporting their losses to AMF who joined GPP because of Warren, they just might be able to put enough pressure on Warrent to give up the people behind GPP to the authorities. The more these promoters are caught and charged, the greater the chances who was behind GPP will be known and found. As I have said many times before, we would not be suprised to see that Roger Karlsson and Tom Sornes were behind GPP, or at the miminum major players; as well as the two behind HCI25.
So do yourselves all a favor. If you joined GPP because of Warren English, or any of his other programs he was promoting, report it immediately to AMF in Montreal or Quebec.
Comment by EagleOne — 18th June 2011 @ 10:30 pm
I just don’t understand why so many peoples still believe in Wayne Mclean weekly Talkshoe?
Wayne is under FBI/SEC investigation. And the authority believe Mr. Wayneto to be involved in HYIP pension plan scam investment. He was asked to explaine why and what financial license for him to conduct finance services to the investors. I believe something to do with RPP program policies purchase and debit card and shipping cost.
Comment by BR — 20th June 2011 @ 9:05 am
Before you publish statements.. you should do your due diligence ..ie about people being investigated by FBI/SEC… you should not do that. Thank you
Comment by itsngsus — 20th June 2011 @ 8:59 pm
LOL!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 28th June 2011 @ 5:58 pm
Yes, by all means, get your ‘INITIALS” right! LOL Just because this Wayne character was found guilty in Canada, doesnt mean he wasnt found guilty in other countries!!
I love the simple minded! I can not believe that ppl still defend GPP! Ok, so you spent $30.00 bucks, or $60.00 on this GPP venture, you think, no big deal cuz its little money that I lost. Well, simpleton, that is the scam isnt it!! DUH! This is Global, my little Einsteins! do you think you could possibly conceive the fact that it wasnt just you or your little down line that spent $30.00 or $60.00 bucks? GPP made off with you and the millions (yes, millions, dummy! internet…..hello! ) of other suckers. If you can not see the big picture, then Ive got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you. You who takes “little” risks like this! Too dumb to see the Big picture.
Ive got some, ocean front property in Arizona, from my front porch I can see the sea, Ive got some, ocean front property in Arizona, if you buy that Ill throw the golden gate in free! lOLOLOLOLO its a song…a country song…but fitting, dontcha think!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 2nd July 2011 @ 10:41 pm
¿Donde esta global-final-step-net?
¡¡¡¡¡ha desaparecido!!!!!
Comment by nuria — 12th July 2011 @ 9:17 am
slightly de-laid the money is expect to come and GREECE ?????
Comment by vasilios — 12th July 2011 @ 9:43 pm
Hello
I have not logged in for months, time flies, been chasing an 11 month old-
any updates?
Comment by random passer by — 13th July 2011 @ 6:38 pm
Amazing!
Most RPP programs already DEAD (some are stll asking for more money) and still peoples asking for information.
Comment by Collin — 16th July 2011 @ 4:48 pm
VERY SIMPLE ASK: WHERE IS MY MONEY?
Comment by ZLATKO1954 — 17th July 2011 @ 10:37 am
And the answer from them always is: BE PATIENT it is coming. You will get paid on the Twelfth of Never.
This is a scam. There never will be any payout. They ran with the money over a year ago.
Comment by EagleOne — 19th July 2011 @ 12:46 am
Lol, I know it is a scam but I was just find it fascinating how this just runs and runs … and still people believe. Is there a GPP 3 yet?
Comment by random passer by — 26th July 2011 @ 4:53 pm
HOW FRIENDS DO TO SEE IF IT IS TRUE OR LIE. DEBIT CARDS ARE OFFERING, BUT NO EVIDENCE OF THAT. They call me TO BUY A CARD OF 75 AND PAY SHIPPING. ACCOUNTS ARE STILL THE SAME AND SELLING. Someone can be clarified
THANK YOU.
PIQUI
AMIGOS COMO HACEMOS PARA VER SI ES CIERTO O MENTIRA. ESTAN OFRECIENDO TARJETAS DE DEBITO, PERO NO HAY PRUEBAS DE ESO. A MI ME DICEN QUE COMPRE UNA TARJETA DE 75 Y QUE PAGUE EL ENVÃO. LAS CUENTAS SON LAS MISMAS Y SIGUEN VENDIENDO. ALGUIOEN ME PUEDE ACLARAR
GRACIAS.
Comment by PIQUI — 27th July 2011 @ 4:34 am
SOMEONE HAS GOT ANY DEBIT TASRJETA. NO EVIDENCE OF ANYTHING.
LOL
Piqui
A ALGUIEN LE HA LLEGADO ALGUNA TASRJETA DE DEBITO. NO HAY EVIDENCIAS DE NADA.
JAJAJ
PIQUI
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Comment by Collin — 3rd August 2011 @ 4:46 pm
Definition of Insanity GPP
Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. …Albert Einstein, (attributed) US (German-born) physicist (1879 – 1955) Perhaps globaly recognized genius Albert Einstein, had something there. ‘Thinking’ & ‘saying’ the same thing over and over again and expecting different results, is also insane. Ego mind is so convinced that the way to get what we want is to complain and repeatedly express negatively about & focus on what we don’t want. If this is where one is at, then do spare a thought for how this strategy is working out for you? There is a subtle but infinitely powerful difference between, focusing on what we ‘do’ want, rather than on what we ‘don’t’ want. There is also leverage in the accumulative effect of the group focus, as in the hundredth monkey effect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hundredth_Monkey_Effect.
If Talka’s recent review is correct, it would appear that we have between 3-46 days, rather than 30 years to achieve the ‘critical number’, as on the island of Koshima, so there is no time to procrastinate. What choice are each of us going to make about the part we play in, focusing on what we do want or what we don’t want with the program? Do we believe we can get away with merely paying lip service to this phenomenon, succumbing to this human blindspot, by claiming to focus on what we do want, whilst actually focussing on what we don’t want? Are we going to passively sit on the fence (back seat passenger) & wait and see what happens, or proactively & powerfully participate in the creative process. Are we members prepared to destroy the program, in order to prove ourselves right, in focusing on what we don’t want? As this would appear to be counterproductive, to the purpose of participation in the program. Or are we prepared to manifest our good, in order to prove ourselves right in focusing on what we do want. There is no suggestion here to contribute another cent in the program, but to take responsibility for the focus of our thoughts and words. It is of no concern, if this review doesn’t win any popularity awards. There is no intention to make anyone wrong, but point out that we are already & continuously steering directly towards our individual & collective focus, whatever it is. http://www.abraham-hicks.com/lawofattractionsource/index.php
Comment by Punter — 12th August 2011 @ 6:14 am
We’ve delt with all the crap GPP has put us through and Wayne Mclean still believes … Then it was 1 time in the month and after maybe 1 time every 4-5 months?
I dont understand how anyone still belive GPP will pay out. I wonder when all these scam helper going to stop the BS
Comment by ClipPP — 16th October 2011 @ 5:59 pm
Boy, not much new happening. Still no payout I see! Well, Ill check back next year! Take care, happy holidays!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 25th October 2011 @ 7:25 pm
No need as it will be the same result. No payments. As you know, they ran with the money a long, long time ago. By the way, for those of you who thinkg it “seems” that GPP is a scam, it was always a scam. There is no “seems” about it.
Comment by EagleOne — 26th October 2011 @ 8:16 am
I want to wish all of you who celebrate it a very Merry Christmas and a fantastic New Year. To all my Jewish friends, Happy Chanukah. I hope each and everyone of you is truly blessed.
Comment by EagleOne — 23rd December 2011 @ 1:57 am
Wishing everyone a Merry Christmas ( or Happy Holidays for those of you who celebrate other traditions), and a joyous, safe, happy, healthy and prosperous New Year! I hope that 2012 brings in success for everyone, with REAL business opportunities and investments that are legitimate!
Take Care all!
Your Cyber buddy,
Crisanne-TaClaus!
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 26th December 2011 @ 7:45 pm
GPP is finally back and paying out. Go to http://www.globalpensionplan.org
[Addition by Ben: Obviously this is yet another scam. Please don’t fall for it. If you joined GPP then you need to accept that you lost your money a long time ago and move on.]
Comment by John — 9th July 2012 @ 8:27 am
If they were legit, they would just take these fees from the cash in our accounts. But no, they expect us to send them more money. That’s a huge red flag in my book. GPP is dead, all they are trying to do now is keep the scam going.
Comment by sleeper — 16th July 2012 @ 4:18 pm
Hi all. No John. No.
Comment by IF IT WALKS LIKE A DUCK — 13th August 2012 @ 2:06 am
Well, it’s the end of 2012, Dec. 10. and a year since your last comment. What’s the latest on GPP, same o, same o?
Comment by Denise Denney — 10th December 2012 @ 1:58 am
Hi Denise,
The latest on GPP is that everyone who joined has lost their money and needs to accept that and move on.
It was a scam from the word go.
Thanks,
Ben
Comment by Ben — 11th December 2012 @ 10:14 am
Dear Sir,
Suddenly, there is an activity stating at GPP. Now they say for payout a trust to be formed and wants us to remit USD 210 or 260.Once more than 50% members pay, the amount directly would be available. This is as SEB and ECB. But when I wanted to login with my login ID and asked for a new pass word, it says it is not in the list so also my email.
Pl. comment !
Comment by Devaraju Damodar Rao — 12th April 2013 @ 1:38 pm
It is true with all the credible RPP’s. See updates from HCI25 and E65. Trust needs to be formed before payout can start.
[Addition by Ben: Trust has nothing to do with it, GPP will never pay out.]
Comment by Andy — 9th May 2013 @ 12:29 pm
Credible RPP’s? That’s a laugh!
Comment by sleeper — 6th November 2013 @ 4:00 am
Thankfully my old boss paid for all his workforce into this so it cost me nothing but why o why Carnot the global law makers do something about people like this to me it’s a money making scam so why can they not freeze all that the people have who are gaining from this and redistribute between people that have been scammed.
Comment by Steve g — 1st February 2014 @ 1:18 pm
OK, that’s your lot.
Over 3800 comments on this and the main site and it’s quite obvious that “Stella”, the dead administrator, and her cronies stole your money.
The spam comments are becoming ridiculous so I’m turning the comment facility off this post.
Thanks for all your input.
Comment by Ben — 19th July 2014 @ 9:19 pm